Great Misunderstanding of Out of Drive Obedience Dog Training
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2025
- Welcome to our latest podcast episode where we delve into the fascinating world of dog training, specifically focusing on the "tremendously misunderstood benefits of training obedience out of drive." In this engaging and informative session, we explore various aspects of dog obedience and training methodologies, providing insights for both new and veteran listeners.
Join us as we discuss the differences between training a dog in drive and out of drive, and why establishing leadership and communication is crucial in dog training. Our conversation covers topics ranging from the importance of obedience as a foundation for all training aspects, to the role of leadership in effective dog training. We also touch upon the controversial topic of training dogs with the ability to fear, underlining its significance in achieving a balanced and well-behaved canine.
This episode is not just about training techniques, but also about understanding the psychology behind dog behavior and training. Whether you're a professional dog trainer, a dog owner, or simply someone interested in canine behavior, this podcast offers valuable insights and practical tips.
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Key Take Aways:
1. The Importance of Obedience Training: Emphasizes how training obedience is foundational in dog training, and it should be the starting point before moving on to other types of training.
2. Training 'Out of Drive' vs 'In Drive': The discussion highlights the difference between training a dog 'out of drive' (without a direct reward in sight) versus 'in drive' (with a reward like food or toys). Training 'out of drive' is stressed as crucial for establishing leadership and ensuring the dog obeys even without immediate rewards.
3. Establishing Leadership: The podcast underscores the importance of establishing a leadership role in the training process. A dog needs to see the owner as a leader for effective training and behavior management.
4. Fear as a Training Tool: There is a discussion about the controversial aspect of using fear in training. It's not about making the dog live in fear, but rather about the dog having the ability to fear, akin to respect and understanding of boundaries.
5. Protection Training Nuances: The podcast touches upon personal protection training, emphasizing starting protection training a bit ahead of obedience to ensure the dog commits fully when commanded.
6. Importance of Systematic Training: The success in dog training comes from a systematic approach where one step leads to another. There is a specific order and method to follow for effective results.
7. Understanding Dog Psychology: The conversation also delves into understanding the psychology behind dog behavior, which is key in effectively training and managing dogs.
8. Training Should Lead to Happiness: The goal of training is not just obedience but also the happiness and well-being of the dog, achieved through a balanced approach to training and leadership.
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This is like going back 14 years for me when I first got into training dogs.
Positive reinforcement introduces behaviors, negative reinforcement makes them reliable.
“You must praise or reward the dog equal to or double the level of aversion used”. Kohler and timeless.
Hans is the perfect combination of Old School that works and Practicality for today. If you want things sugar coated go to a Candy store. You are blessed to have a man of such knowledge.
BTW, it’s ok to disagree with people and training methods. There are more then one path up to the top of the mountain. Do what works for you and your experience and be happy about it.
Thank you for your kind words. What is unsettling though is when people (not you) are criticizing my methods while knowing anything about them. :) for more info people can go here. Alpinek9real.com
Why am I only just discovering this man
Let's see hans on Ivan balabanovs training without conflict podcast
Sure it would be legendary content
These videos are like mining for gold some is sifted through and the nuggets kept
Twc ivan balabanov is so different from this methods.
Hello Hans, I find this channel very interesting, thanks for sharing your knowledge, do you recommend to start with out of drive obedience with a puppy, otherwise start with treats and then gradually remove treats and toys
Wow, Thank you so much for this teaching. I will begin to eliminate treats while working with my dog. I have had her since she was 11 months old. She just turned 2 yo. I just realized that I trained her out of drive when squirrels and crows were around us. She has a strong prey drive as many dogs. I simple gave a correction and have only done it twice with squirrels and she now sees squirrels and does not load at all, looks at them and keeps on walking. It took 5x with crows, but now she ignores them. thank you. Last thing, in terms of FFP training. I wonder if someone did a deep dive into Z.G and other trainers who say "walk away"...we would find that they themselves are uncomfortable with conflict.
Thank you to Hans , the voice of reason ! Unafraid to tell everyone of what is in front of us but we have been trained not to see by what is popular.
Surely if u teach the dog in a fun way then once the dogs learned the exercise u can turn the screw and demand more and more in terms of precision and 1st time compliance
What's is the reason hans don't use e collar when training be a good podcast on its own
I did an episode on this topic. Here is the link th-cam.com/video/8K43_5dVvtQ/w-d-xo.html
@@hans-alpinek9realmuch appreciated
Always enjoy hearing your perspective Hans. Thanks for making these videos!
Glad you like them!
He trains in drive wheher he knows it or not. The dog interacting with the helper or agitator puts the dog in drive whether it is barking or biting. Doesn't he let the dogs chase and bite the the guy with the sleeve i
This particular podcast is about obedience and NOT protection. Did you miss that?
I love hear this old-school knowledge and perspective from Hans always a great listen
I'd love to hear hans talk to someone like nate schoemer who's a more modern type of pet trainer the operant conditioning side of things
The pez dispenser comment really hit home for me. I wouldmost definitely prefer my dog to follow commands first time without question. However, I find that using foid gets dog's attention and I can get her to learn what I'm asking of her. However, I can see that she has to think about whether that reward is yummy enough for her to comply. Sometimes it isn't. I honestly never heard the terms in drive and out of drive. My goal is to have my dog obey without requiring food. I look forward to your obedience video to learn how to establish myself as a pack leader. Thanks!
Awesome video! If you could share a little about how you build the foundation for a new puppy training in protection and obedience i would greatly appreciate it. 🙏🏻🙌🏻
That is deep topic. Hard to explain over text That is why I have my four part instructional video series at this link www.alpinek9real.com/personal-protection-dog-training
Great videos love the show thanks guys
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching
I live in Oklahoma how can I get a dog or puppy from you?
Give me a call at 602-332-4404 or email at AlpineK9@Yahoo.com look forward to talk to you
Always there's stuff you never hear on other training channels.
Glad you like the content :)
I had to stop it when I heard the pea soup. I hated it. And my Dad would make me eat full bowels of it ..
Funny :)
This is the exact old school trash that good balanced trainers are trying to get away from. Yes the dog does it because I say so, but if you balance motivation with obligation the final product is a an obedient dog with much more fire lit under his ass than a dog that works only to escape your negative reinforcement and on the back side receive praise from you when half of them don’t give a shit about your praise, your voice is classically conditioned with obligations. Perfect example of old men stuck in their ways naive refuse to learn
So I should be using treats and toys to the the proper behavior?
@@gaborsvagrik4754 you should have the perfect balance of motivation and obligation. When the dog understands both he will perform on cue with heart and sole. When you train the way bozo’s talking about you create a tough dog to the hand but flat and look like shit in the work, no power in the obedience and a mess of handler conflict. It’s 2023 y’all still listen to these old clowns
The herders had big toys. I went to a biteathon. All the dogs need a bleeeeepin toy to do something. Real poor quality K9 erudition. If you give too much love, you create a unstable heart. We starve and reward our dog with emotions. Life is eternal. Dates of year means nothing!!!
Lol, one of these guys. You can't explain or break down why it's trash. You only care about flashiness to go viral on instagram, and not what truly works in a critical situation. Obedience is about teaching the dog who the leader is and doing what I say whether he feels like it, motivated or not. I dont need treats and toys for my dog to think I am fun or, the biggest lie of them all, "build a bond." I build bonds by sharing MY food, petting my dog, and taking my dog places with me.
You hear one thing you don't like i.e "yea the dog does it because I say so", and think you can break down the logic. All I've ever needed to train *ANY* dog is a choker/prong. No, I don't crank dogs or swing them over my head like a propeller. Every single client I work with raves about how happy their dog gets when they pick up their training collar.
You are using treats to train dogs to perform tasks IN DRIVE meanwhile the dog lives 99% of its life out of drive. Teaching the dog the default behavior of doing things because he likes it. And then, he's going to like chasing that cat into the street much more than whatever it is you got going on, which completely negates your reward, which then results in the dog getting hit by a car. Let's not talk about what method of training you need to resort to once you the treats/tug/ball are not present; correction after correction and then the training doesn't become so "balanced".
@@antoniod370 Thank you brother you get it. Thank you for posting.