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Fox Suspension Upgrade On My Marin Rift Zone 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2021
- While the Rockshox Recon and Rockshox Deluxe Select that came stock on my Marin Rift Zone 2 were decent, I wanted a little more performance.
I picked up a Fox Float DPS rear shock that not only fits my bike properly, it also has the exact same custom tune specs as the DPS that comes on the Marin Rift Zone 2. This shock will give me two advantages over the original equipment. One, it has compression adjustments. Two, its not scratched on the shock body and therefore doesn't need an expensive service (yes I crashed and scratched the stock one).
For the front, I got a nice deal on a Fox 34 Rhythm. Although the Rhythm series uses heavier aluminum than the Fox Performance, it still saved me a ton of weight over the Recon. Additionally, it can be tuned with volume spacers, something that is lacking on the Recon.
So lets see how these new parts effect the ride and if it was worth it
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I was thinking about doing this to my rift zone! Thanks for the video. Would be cool to see more!
Right on. Yeah after some time on it I will say the rear just feels more plush. If I were to do it again, I think I would have looked for the next level up fork. I usually keep the shock in the middle position unless I’m riding really chunky stuff. Kinda feels more balanced that way. Anyway thanks for watching and good luck whatever route you go with yours!
I definitely felt that putting the Pike on mine made a big difference as well. Mine was also a takeoff from somewhere, great way to get a deal!
That’s an even crazier takeoff. Not a whole lot better than a Pike. Good find.
@@downtoridemtb Hey, wanted to give you an update on the Dissector in the front after a few rides. I really like it! Much better than the Rekon. Also, I noticed my shifting has gotten worse and now there is a clunking coming from the rear wheel. It took 6 rides... Anyway I'm out of warranty so I'm building new wheels (Hope Pro4/e13 TRS Trail rims). Not entirely what I would have chosen but can hardly find parts now!
Thanks for the update. I’m loving the Dissector as a rear tire. So much grip leaning it over in turns. I may try one up front once my DHR2 wears out. Good luck with the new wheels!
Congrats man!! I have been waiting for you to drop this video. I have done some minor changes on my Marin Hawk Hill 2/Rift Zone 2 27.5 this week installing Maxxis Rekon tires, and today ordering some Ergon GE1 Evo Factory Grips and an Ergon SM Pro Saddle. Great job on the video, and congrats on the new suspension set up, I hope it brings you many miles of enjoyable riding!!! Nice weight savings for ya over all, as well.
Thanks. I’ve been waiting too! Those parts sat in my garage way too long. Let me know what you think about that Ergon saddle. Looks like it would be very comfortable. Rekon is a great rear tire by the way. I may go back to it.
@@downtoridemtb I just bought the Ergon SM Pro for my RZ3 and rode a long trail day of 80km and didn't like it. The Kevlar stitching on the top of the saddle caused chafing. I wear a inner chamois short and it still affected me, measured the fit using Ergons sizing chart too! Went back to my OEM Marin saddle for now. The Ergon saddle is shorter too - with a shorter nose.
Nice bargain upgrades there. Btw I did volume space my rear shock - 0.038 cu I think? The fox orange spacer. I weigh 82 kg and with 180 psi it made a big difference on the drops.
@@downtoridemtb Will do. It was a toss up between the Ergon SM Pro saddle for me and the WTB Volt.
Well dang maybe I’ll just stick with my Volt then
Outpost is a Best Shop in Richmond Va!! Love them guys👍🏾
We have a lot of good shops here but I definitely like them. Plus they’re a Marin dealer!
Had the same exact shock and fork upgrade for my rift zone 1 👍🏼
Nice. I bet the improvements were even more noticeable for you. Hope you’re enjoying it!
I have the exact same bike, fun to see this video. My first upgrade was a new wheel set, I went with the Hunt Trail Wide wheels. So much better than the Marin wheels. Second was the fork, I went with the Rock Shox Revelation. Looking back I wish I spent the extra $1k and got a tallboy
Those hunt wheels look nice. I looked at them when I needed my rear hub but the wait time was months. I hear you though on just spending the extra up front to get something better. Makes sense in the long run but man it’s hard to fork over that kind of money up front.
I have a 2020 hawk hill 2
Some upgrade suggestions, koozer 72 point hub xm390. $140 for front and rear . The stock hub weights 480 grams for just the rear. The koozers are 400 grams for the f&r combined . You’ll have to build the wheel yourself but it’s a good learning experience and you can use the stock spokes and nipples. You will however need to upgrade to 6 bolt discs . Which is worth it as I’m not running sintered pads and all I can say is braking is unbelievable .
Also the mt200 brakes can be upgraded with deore/slx levers . It makes all the difference in stopping power . The NX/sx cassette really isn’t that heavy the weights is really in that rear hub . Everything else you’ve upgraded seems pretty good. Keep up the work
Thanks for the tip on the brake levers. I’ll have to look into that. I have actually upgraded the rear hub to an Origin8 mt3200 because two stock rear hubs failed on me. It’s not the best hub out there but it has 36 POE which double what the stock one had. I was looking at the Spank Hex Drive hubs which have really quick engagement and also Hunt wheelsets but I’ll probably just stick with what I have for a while… or until something breaks.
Sweet Suspension!!
Thanks!!!
i have been riding a 140 mm pike on this bike for a year now and it really advanced my downhill experience without making me mad on uphills.. :) btw how do you like the dissector? i put them both in the front and the rear a while ago and really enjoy fast corners now.. ;)
Yeah I think I’ll be increasing this 34 to 140mm. Pretty easy to do. The Dissector is pretty good. Maybe a little more draggy than the Rekon but that makes sense. Definitely better braking. I think when my DHR wears out I’ll try a Dissector up front. Probably MaxTerra. What compounds are you using on your setup?
@@downtoridemtb sry, been busy at work lately. :) i run a 2.6 dissector 3c maxx terra on a fortus 35 rim which works perfectly for me...and the trails you ride are not that different from the ones over here in southern bavaria, at least the ones in the vids.
Nice to see a budget bike upgrade! It’s obvious that cheaper fs bikes need a lock out because they don’t have as good anti squat. In New Zealand it’s becoming more popular to increase fork travel with a coil fork and piggy 🐷 back rear shock in the same travel.👊
Yeah I rode a Ripmo with a coil shock and it felt great. So funny though it’s like I’ve been conditioned to think coil forks and shocks are crap based on the cheap ones on big box bikes and entry level bikes.
Bro… please please go onto Amazon right now and buy a torque wrench… 😳😳😳
Great video either way!
I have two different ones but I couldn’t find torque specs anywhere. So I just kinda went by feel on how hard they were to take off. It may also look like I’m cranking harder than I really am. I kinda use the pull of my fingers to gauge it.
What's the last thing you would upgrade on your bike?
and if that's ok please do Q&A video
Maybe brakes. Or higher rise bars. I actually have one other upgrade to do too that I teased with a post earlier this week. As for the Q and A I hadn’t really thought about it but maybe I will.
One more question 😅, is 150mm RockShox Yari gonna be too much for this Marin?
General rule of thumb is 20mm difference is ok. With Marin, anything more than 10mm will void the warranty.
nice video. . . I have a rift zone 1 29er with stock fork adjusted to 140 travel. my friend gave me a nice deal with his fox 36 rhythm 160 travel from his stumpjumper evo carbon for only $280. im mostly using my bike on aggressive trail uphill and donwhill. is it ok to have 160 travel on my rift zone 1?
I wouldn’t. I think anything more than 140 would throw off the balance of the bike too much. Better off selling and just getting a longer travel bike.
Not having a lockout is the reason I didn't get the Rift Zone 1. I'll only have one bike and I'll ride it everywhere, the lockout is important for the reasons you mentioned. I'm guessing for bike brands the Rift Zone 1 is considered affordable & entry level but for me it's a big investment, I don't want to pay extra to replace a new shock on a new bike.
Yeah you have to step up to the RZ3 to get the lockout which is out of the range of entry level.
Do you know what tune the RoshShox Select has ? I'm upgrading the Rift 1 from the suntour to a Select R ...
Sorry I don’t know. I gave the shock away so I can’t check either.
I have a Marin RZ1
Is the Fox Float DPS have the same specs(210x50mm) as the XFusion Pro?
That Fox 34 is nice
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Yes, same size specs on all Rift Zone 29er from 2020 to 2022. If you have the 2023 model then it has 55mm stroke. Thanks for subscribing!
@@downtoridemtb i'm a small guy,and mine is 27.5 RZ1
Just got a nice deal for Rythm 34!
Keep up the nice videos mate,thanks!
@@downtoridemtb i'm a small guy,and mine is 27.5 RZ1
Just got a nice deal for Rythm 34!
Keep up the nice videos mate,thanks!
Awesome, it’s a good fork! Anyway, same deal for the 27.5, it’s 50mm stroke up til the 2023 redesign where it’s 55mm
Travel on the rear shock is same? And how much travel on new fox fork?
Stock travel on both. It’s a really bad idea to try to increase the rear travel. It can even have to opposite effects. Look up a video by kevcentral where he put a longer stroke shock on a mongoose ledge.
Just got my tires super excited to try them
BTW the maxxis logo is in yellow
Nice!
@@downtoridemtb What tires are you currently riding?
oh, and did you try the Ikon already?
Currently 2.4 Dissector Dual Compound rear with a 2.4 Minion DHR2 3c max terra front. Previously I had a 2.4 Rekon 3c max terra on the rear which I really liked but I wanted to try something new. Never had an Ikon, little too XC for some of the trails that I ride and my riding style. That said, I know some other riders that use light tires like that and somehow find grip in situations that I can’t. Skill I suppose.
@@downtoridemtb And yet l suppose this setup is lighter than the stock tires the vee tire flow snap which I call "vee tire slow snap"
Lol yep that’s what I was calling them too. Yeah lighter and faster but not as fast as your setup
What's the spec of the fox DPS ? Is it 210x50? Is it a 27.5 inch bike ?
Yeah it’s 210x50, same as stock. It’s a 29er though.
What do you think about a Fox dpx2 210x52.5 for this bike? How much travel for the rear shock it will be? Tks
Personally I would not change the shock length. Too much complicated stuff going on back there with the suspension kinematics.
What spacer kit did you need for the rear shock?
I let my local bike shop figure that one out. Too confusing when I tried to look it up.
I have an extra rockshox delux shock body and I released the internal factory pressure ( I had a moment) and just bought a deluxe ultimate w/ lockout and megneg to use eventually. Are you in Central Texas?
I’m in Richmond, Virginia. I’m not really sure what you mean by the internal factory pressure.
@@downtoridemtb my rear deluxe shock was working ok and I let the nitrogen oil pressure out of the top. It will cost about 200.00 to refill unless you have the correct pressure fitting, ect. The shock is still like new otherwise.
Oh man I didn’t even know it had that internal nitrogen. Anyway I sold that shock a coupe months ago for basically the cost of shipping.
Hope you usually say “thanks” when hikers step off the trail for you?
Yeah I usually do but I was definitely bad about it in this video. Thinking about riding and talking about the bike too much I guess.
How'd you find out how to get a matching tune?
There is a 4 digit code on each shock that you can look up all the tune info on the Fox site. I asked the seller for that code then I asked a Facebook group to get the code off a stock RZ3 which was DY2P.
I have the same Fox D6NK rear shock on the way for my Hawk Hill 2. Will it bolt right in? I assume you had to order some sort of bushing kit to get it to fit? Thanks
Nice find! Yeah I had to get all the bushings and spacers. I got a little confused looking online so I just took both shocks up to my favorite local bike shop and Marin dealer and they did some measurements and ordered the right stuff and also pressed in the inner sleeves.
@@downtoridemtb Thanks. I was lucky to find it and I got a great deal on it as well. I got it installed today. For anyone interested, the Hawk Hill / Rift Zone bikes use 8mmx25 rear shock hardware. Fox 803-03-328 nine-piece bushing kits fit perfectly. You need two kits, one for each eyelet. The bushings were easy to install using just a padded vise and socket. Bottom bolt torque is 10-12NM and upper bolt is 20NM.
Nice job finding those torque specs. I couldn’t find them so I just had to go by what felt right. I’ll probably check with my torque wrench next time I’m working on anything on the bike.
Hey, i wonder if this bike can fit a 230mm e2e rearshock,
I wouldn’t try anything other than stock travel. It’s not just a loner movement happening and can have the opposite effect of what you’re going for. Look up a video by kevcentral where he put a longer shock on a mongoose ledge.
With the Marin bobcat trail 4 that you reviewed which as it happens is my bike I wondered about QR axles Vs TA. What's your thoughts?. As I'm riding I think having a wheelset that's a bit more reactive would be better but I wonder if I should just wait and upgrade my bike after a couple of years instead of upgrading the bobcat. I've done the forks similar to how you did.
I don’t think there is really much of a noticeable difference QR vs TA for the type of riding most people do. I’ll assume by more reactive, you mean higher engagement. In that case, yes there is a noticeable difference in getting something better. If you like the bike overall, you should go ahead and do it. Having a bike shop lace in a better hub might be slightly cheaper that just buying new wheels. I just don’t really know what is out there with QR axles.
@@downtoridemtb thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it. The bobcat is just a super comfy bike..... Sorry to be annoying but another question springs to mind about the wheels, they're not tubeless compatible but I taped them anyway put maxis rekons, Stan's fluid and they are solid. Question is someone told me not to do that, is it going to be a problem? They ride fine, hold pressure fine! Just looking for a second opinion.
All good, no need to apologize. I see no problem with taping non-tubeless wheels. I’ve done it with success and so have countless other people. Only my opinion, but if they’re holding air, ride on!
@@downtoridemtb Great! Thanks. They're holding air perfectly. Might drop one or two psi after a couple of rides but that's all. Funny though as I chose the maxis rekons just before watching your review of them. Just about to put raidon forks in too. That will be it for now as regards upgrades for the bobcat 4. Thanks again.
Cool good choice on the Rekons. Still my favorite rear tire but I’m about to try a new tire setup. Well kinda new and kinda old too. I’ll probably do a video on it.
what rear shock mounting hardware size ? thanks in advance.
I actually don’t know. I went to my local Marin dealer and they ordered it in for me.
Nice video! What is the recommended travel for the fork? Can you upgrade up to 150mm? Thanks
The fork can be upgraded to 150mm with a 150mm air shaft. I upgraded mine to 140 which is the most I’d recommend for a Rift Zone. If you have a 34 Rhythm, be advised that the air shaft is different for it compared to the other 34s. It’s actually the same part as a Marzochi Bomber z2.
@@downtoridemtb Thank you. I'm not really familiar with air shaft. I was just thinking of getting a rift zone 1 and upgrading the fork to 150 mm later for (a little) enduro application. thoughts? thank you.
Rift zone 1 has a different fork and the travel adjustment process is different. I have a video on it. Either way I don’t think I recommend 150mm.
@@downtoridemtb thank you!
Welcome!
For setting up the DPS, did you use the air pressure values for the RZ3? I tried them and found the rear end was like a rock. I’m trying to figure out which air pressure chart to use.
Yes I used that and then reduced it slightly to get the sag where it was supposed to be. So it’s probably around 10% less than the recommendations. Couple things if yours is like a rock: Is the compression lever open? Does it even make a difference changing that lever? If not, something may be wrong with it. Did you air it up from no air? I think you have to put in a little air in at a time and compress the shock a few times to even out the air chambers, then repeat.
@@downtoridemtb airing it up a bit at a time was the trick. I’m also about 20-30psi below the recommended to get the right sag. Now I need to work on the rebound settings.
Hell yeah, glad that worked for you!
Hi. I also consider to switch my stock recon 130 mm with fox 34 rythm but I'm worried if offset difference between these two forks won't be an issue ? Recon 44 mm / fox 34 rythm 51 mm ???
If the Fox 34 is a 130mm fork, shouldn't be a problem. Just makes it a little slacker. Going with a 140mm fork might be too slack.
@@guol1806the stanchions on the recon are actually 140mm but only uses 130mm travel so it wouldnt affect geometry
What tire size do you think will fit 29mm wheels like on the Rz 2?
I think 2.6 is the maximum but usually tire manufacturers will specify or have some sort of chart. If I were to do 2.6 tires, I think I’d do Rekon rear and Dissector front.
@@downtoridemtb do you if maxxis make rekon 2.35 ?
@@omeriluz9800 they make a 2.4. Ran mine for about a year and really liked it.
Can we get a subscriber meetup at one of the JRPS trails?
I have thought about doing that but really wasn’t sure if anyone would be interested. Plus I do like 99% of my riding on weekdays on my lunch break. But I’ll see what I can setup for a weekend sometime soon.
@@downtoridemtb That makes sense, hope to see you on the trails!
Yeah man email me if you want to set something up during the lunch hour... on a day that it’s not 90+ degrees outside. Not sure how that works with your availability.
Hi! Can this bike fit a 160mm front suspension ?
Can, yes. Should, no. Will effect the geo and bottom bracket height too much in my opinion.
Thank you!
How much travel does your new fork have?
It’s 130mm which is back to stock travel but I just got the 140mm air shaft for it.
@@downtoridemtb ok,thank!
@@downtoridemtb Hi. I also consider to switch my stock recon 130 mm with fox 34 rythm but I'm worried if offset difference between these two forks won't be an issue ? Recon 44 mm / fox 34 51 mm ???
I never even looked at the offset and to be honest I still don’t really understand what it affects.
How much price 🤔 front suspension? Brø 🙏🙏
Like how much did I pay for the Fox 34 or how much would I sell the Recon for?
@@downtoridemtb I have the same bike, I do a lot of downhill and currently can’t afford a DH bike, what would be a good suspension set up for mine?
@@chaseputnam1156 I’m really not sure but anything beefier would probably be good. Fox 36 maybe.
Hey I’m feeling pain my guy. Please USE a torque wrench. Go on Amazon or to a local bike shop or use one of you already have one
I hear you, I have two different torque wrenches but I couldn’t find torque specs anywhere. Someone else commented the same but I’m really not tightening that hard. Especially on the top which is going into aluminum, I’m using my fingers not my arm.
What are the specs of the rear shock?
210x50 for the sizing. I don’t have all the tune info but it matched exactly to what was on the Rifty 3. You can enter any shock code on the Fox site and it will give you all those details.
@@downtoridemtb awesome, thanks for the help!
@@downtoridemtb could the stroke be increased to 55mm without any adverse affects?
@@matthewcoradeschi6625 I wouldn’t. Suspension kinematics a are a weird thing. I saw a video from KevCentral where he increased one by more like 20mm but after reaching a point, the rear wheel travel reversed and went back the opposite way. Different bike but either way it isn’t something I would mess with.
Willing to sell me your old rear shock?
Yes and for pretty cheap too. Send me an email, TH-cam probably won’t let me write it here so just head over to the about page on my channel.
How much for the old shock 😂 in interested
I was thinking about buying the parts and rebuilding it to sell it but if you really want it as is I’ll sell it to you super cheap. Let me know.
Dang I need a new rebound mine broke
David, what exactly do you need?
@@downtoridemtb the rebound internal my adjuster is broken it free spins and hardly does anything for rebound. Rockshox recon
Spanish subtitles 😭
Noob should’ve just bought the three
I set a budget at the time of purchase and stuck to it. Don’t regret it at all.
Pipe cutters are cheap. Really. Ask Santa for Christmas!
I hear you but as rarely as I need to cut a steerer tube, I can manage with the hack saw
spend another whole bike on fork and shock 🤣🤣