If this was any other mediocre show, it would have taken the predictable route and Melfi would have told Tony and he would have gone to town on that guy.
they set it up so well. he's arrested, and although it's no real compensation for his crime it at least gives some sense of impending justice. then even that small consolation is torn away.
The final scene is an all-timer. One element that isn’t mentioned much is Tony in the scene. He’s dressed in black like the dog in the dream and the way he approaches Melfi asking what’s wrong is exactly how a confused and concerned dog would do. It’s absolute brilliance. And that ending cut 👍🏽
All of the Sopranos (even Meadow, though she controls it the most) are narcissists and callous. Janice is always looking to take advantage of others and play the victim, Tony lashes out with violence to get his way, Livia was a drama queen who dragged others down. They are all broken but Janice is amazingly irritating. Full credit to the actress for a tough role.
@@joeloates1685 I'd be willing to bet there was more of an anorexia angle for Barbara, that just never made the cut. The actresses who played were quite slim (and I'm just suggesting it seemed perhaps conspicuously too thin), in contrast to Tony and Janice. And it was mirrored in the Sacrimoni family, with the one sister.
David Chase has said that this episode and the next few episodes were to remind the audience that the Sopranos is not all fun and games and that these people are murderers.
1:17 "Has a show ever lost the main actor?" Yes, "Spartacus: Blood & Sand". In season one he was played FANTASTICALLY by Andy Whitfield, and he came down with cancer before season 2 could get started, so they filmed a prequel season to give him time to heal, and unfortunately he died and had to be re-cast.
Yes, after that first season it wasn't the same at all. In my mind the show ended at season 1 and I'm okay with that. No offence to the guy who got cast to replace him but he was nowhere near Andy Whitfield's talents.
sandy duncan replaced valerie harper in sitcom when valerie died dumbledore was replaced james garner replaced john ritter in a sitcom when ritter died
The actor playing Prospero in Gladiator (owner of the gladiator school) died during filming and it was very expensive and technically difficult to finish the film. Apparently he was still partying hard and trying to out drink the cast and crew. I think he had a stroke
The storyline always sticks with Melfi maintaining a professional distance. And obviously taking advantage of a patients criminality would be morally wrong. But it would have been very easy for her to factor in that her rapist was going to be out there doing it to others. It’s very east for most people to excuse revenge in the name of a moral crusade.
On the other hand, she goes back on the possibility of moving Tony to behavior therapy, something that would benefit both of them. Is keeping him as a client and patient professional, or is it motivated by that power rush she talked about?
I’m not sure if it ever becomes clear what it is that keeps her seeing him. But the men in her life are all high on opinions and low on action. At various points in the series Melfi seems irritated and the way they strut their professional opinions and talk with some disdain about people who aren’t psychiatrists. It’s almost as if she is attracted to Tony’s more proactive nature
Jon-Erik Hexum, the star of 'Cover Up', and Brandon Lee, the star of 'The Crow both died on set. They were each killed when incorrectly loaded 'blank' bullets from supposed 'prop' guns discharged explosively, resulting in each man's death. PS -- the word is 'minx', not 'mink' for the saucy girl.
At 18:40 - damn, that face-covering was funny. Mary is in full 'urgh, this fool again' mode. You have to hand it to this actress, she plays 'narcissistic asshole' SO WELL.
This seasons overall has some of the most brutal Episodes of the whole series.. the next two and this one are so crazy. In the end season 3 & 5 are my overall favorites…
What’s crazy is that this season was supposed to have a different storyline but Livia’s actress died, so they had to scrap it and change it completely. I’m curious to see what original season 3 would have been, but what we got was incredible. So many top tier episodes in this season. Employee of the month, Amour Fou, Army of One, PINE BARRENS!
Melfi is reffering to taking personal responsibility for her own safety and feeling guilty that she didn't exercise more caution. Its like walking into the ghetto at 3 am with 100 dollar bills hanging out of my hat. I may not being asking or deserving to be beaten and robbed, but if I were to be, I wpuld still have some responsibility to my predicament. I dont think what happened to her could have been prevented no matter what she did, nor do I think she should feel guilty about it. She does feel she had a responsibility to look out for her own safety and I think she is right. She didnt ask for it or deserve it by any stretch nor is it her fault, but it doesnt mean being safe isnt her responsibility. Too many people dont think that way and then wonder how they become victims of a crime, even a minor one.
The justice system failed. The fact you put a legal loophole ahead of peoples safety is crazy. Pacifism doesn't make you a better person. That predator should be removed, permanently.
@@kylethompson3008 Lots of people would let the world burn if it means they get to sit at the top of some imagine moral high ground. They'll let the world world bleed as long as they get to be unstained.
Most don’t understand how violent rape is. The writers wanted to get this point across & did. It’s certainly the most violent rape scene ever depicted in film. It really made viewers mad when it originally aired. I’m glad they showed a true side of rape. That scene will never leave your head. You can never unsee it once you seen it. And it’s not the last time this show will stun you like this.
That's a hard episode to watch. I found the scene where Richard blames Jennifer for being careless as a important conversation. I'm sure it was said out of frustration and maybe a little bit of male ego more than judgement. I did remind me of a talk show(Graham Norton) where the two male guest were joking at how a actress in a scene had the wits to arm herself with a set of car keys and the two male stars joked saying 'who thinks of these things in the heat of the moment. Then the accompanying female guest said 'we have to all the time and the women in the audience agreed. Men would rarely think twice about walking through a carpark alone . It's like sometimes we live on two different worlds, Men and Women. It's not right.
I totally understand. I can watch almost anything, I love the Terrifier movies & I've seen the Human Centipede movies & a Serbian Film. However, THAT r*** scene ...I still can't watch it. It's too much 🙅🏽♀
Please don't misunderstand me, but this depiction of an assault is very unpleasant. It makes it very clear that it's not about sex, but about forcing another person to submit. It's about diminishing them. The responses of the family members are more about their own feelings of helplessness than they are about comforting and protecting their loved one - they can't hurt the one responsible, but they feel a desperate need to lash out, to DO SOMETHING, and Melfi is the nearest target. It's awful. The writers and actors did an amazing job tackling a tough subject.
It is clearly about power, nobody is questioning that. But it would be a mistake to entirely dismiss the element of 'sex' from the equation. A distorted and horrendous application to be sure, but it's inextricably linked in the pathology.
it was hard watching this knowing you didn't know the content of the episode. It should really come with a warning. I wish I could warn you to make sure you're feeling safe and strong before episode 6, but you've probably watched it already. It's one of the best Sopranos episodes of the entire show, but, like this episode, it should come with a warning.
Yeah, that was the thing that bothered me most with this episode. Melli could have prevented the guy from assaulting anyone else. It was selfish not to tell Tony.
@@Brad-ic4bp The assailant is not the issue. The core of the issue is Melfi deciding whether or not she will cross the line of utilizing her relationship with Tony. If she does, she's crossed a moral barrier in a way that she can't undo. Possibly you can argue it is "selfish" in that sense, but wanting to keep your own morality in check and not spiral into vengeance or corruption is a pretty good way to be selfish.
@@Brad-ic4bp Nope. After reporting and identifying the criminal, she has no responsability regarding whatever the guy does after that, it's up to the justice system to deal with him
1:15 - It happened with the Sopranos. The actress who played Livia died in between S2 & S3 I know she wasn't strictly speaking the "star" but she was a main character and the writers had to come up with a lot of new storylines. One of them being a bigger role for Janice
This episode corrupts the audience. You want her to tell him. It's a great concept.
No matter how many times I've seen that episode I shout "Tell him!"
If this was any other mediocre show, it would have taken the predictable route and Melfi would have told Tony and he would have gone to town on that guy.
they set it up so well. he's arrested, and although it's no real compensation for his crime it at least gives some sense of impending justice. then even that small consolation is torn away.
And then he would have leverage over her forever and she would lose her morality. @jesuspernia8031
Nothing more Sopranos-y than to deny the audience catharsis/satisfaction when it feels most deserved.
The final scene is an all-timer. One element that isn’t mentioned much is Tony in the scene. He’s dressed in black like the dog in the dream and the way he approaches Melfi asking what’s wrong is exactly how a confused and concerned dog would do. It’s absolute brilliance.
And that ending cut 👍🏽
That cut to black was a genius ending to one of the show's best episodes...Cut to black is such a cold and absolute way to end this one.
I see what you did there
@@sebaynovuelveYes do did I, wasn’t even subtle lol some people just can’t wait.
Your reactions to Janice when she talks and cries 😂 😂
All of the Sopranos (even Meadow, though she controls it the most) are narcissists and callous. Janice is always looking to take advantage of others and play the victim, Tony lashes out with violence to get his way, Livia was a drama queen who dragged others down. They are all broken but Janice is amazingly irritating. Full credit to the actress for a tough role.
@@theaikidokaBarbara seems alright
@@joeloates1685 I'd be willing to bet there was more of an anorexia angle for Barbara, that just never made the cut. The actresses who played were quite slim (and I'm just suggesting it seemed perhaps conspicuously too thin), in contrast to Tony and Janice. And it was mirrored in the Sacrimoni family, with the one sister.
Your editor is on point, really funny edits..clearly gets the humor
David Chase has said that this episode and the next few episodes were to remind the audience that the Sopranos is not all fun and games and that these people are murderers.
Dye-job refers to svetlana not being a true blonde. Janice is implying she dyes her hair blonde
Bread basket is the stomach
Janice hides the leg in a bowling alley and it always gets referred to as a pin. *chefs kiss*
Ralphie's "ah, ah, ah" to Jackie had a double meaning. Not only is Adriana Christopher's fiancée, she is Jackie's first cousin via her mom & his dad.
1:17 "Has a show ever lost the main actor?" Yes, "Spartacus: Blood & Sand". In season one he was played FANTASTICALLY by Andy Whitfield, and he came down with cancer before season 2 could get started, so they filmed a prequel season to give him time to heal, and unfortunately he died and had to be re-cast.
Yes, after that first season it wasn't the same at all. In my mind the show ended at season 1 and I'm okay with that. No offence to the guy who got cast to replace him but he was nowhere near Andy Whitfield's talents.
@@OrdinaryInspiration Yup. I think the prequel they made was good, but the seasons with the new guy were kind of "also rans", for me as well.
John Ritter of “8 simple rules for dating my daughter” died during the show, too.
I truly love your reactions to Soprano’s. I wish you reacted to them more often.
17:54 yes I do believe that made Melfi feel better. She didn't send Tony after the guy, but just knowing that she could gave her some relief.
I think Janice came back so quickly because Nancy Marchand died. She provides a similar foil for Tony.
You're right. Real life violence is ugly. And not cinematic
Andy Whitfield, the actor who portrayed Spartacus, died of cancer after season 1. He was replaced, but it was never the same.
sandy duncan replaced valerie harper in sitcom when valerie died
dumbledore was replaced
james garner replaced john ritter in a sitcom when ritter died
that show was so wierd
@@flerbusdavid spade also replaced john ritter
The actor playing Prospero in Gladiator (owner of the gladiator school) died during filming and it was very expensive and technically difficult to finish the film. Apparently he was still partying hard and trying to out drink the cast and crew. I think he had a stroke
Oliver Reed did like to party
She shouoldve told Tony and David Chase should've let us watch
The storyline always sticks with Melfi maintaining a professional distance. And obviously taking advantage of a patients criminality would be morally wrong. But it would have been very easy for her to factor in that her rapist was going to be out there doing it to others. It’s very east for most people to excuse revenge in the name of a moral crusade.
On the other hand, she goes back on the possibility of moving Tony to behavior therapy, something that would benefit both of them. Is keeping him as a client and patient professional, or is it motivated by that power rush she talked about?
I’m not sure if it ever becomes clear what it is that keeps her seeing him. But the men in her life are all high on opinions and low on action. At various points in the series Melfi seems irritated and the way they strut their professional opinions and talk with some disdain about people who aren’t psychiatrists. It’s almost as if she is attracted to Tony’s more proactive nature
The "Breadbasket" is the stomach.
Jon-Erik Hexum, the star of 'Cover Up', and Brandon Lee, the star of 'The Crow both died on set. They were each killed when incorrectly loaded 'blank' bullets from supposed 'prop' guns discharged explosively, resulting in each man's death. PS -- the word is 'minx', not 'mink' for the saucy girl.
One of the hardest episodes to watch
It reminds me of the episode with the Soccer teacher, remember. Back then it was Tony who decided not to act.
At 18:40 - damn, that face-covering was funny. Mary is in full 'urgh, this fool again' mode. You have to hand it to this actress, she plays 'narcissistic asshole' SO WELL.
John Ritter died mid-season while making 8 Simple Rules
Rochester Rabbit dropped dead in the middle of a taping of Sweetknuckle Junction
Tony with his contacts, easily should have known what happened
This seasons overall has some of the most brutal
Episodes of the whole series.. the next two and this one are so crazy.
In the end season 3 & 5 are my overall favorites…
What’s crazy is that this season was supposed to have a different storyline but Livia’s actress died, so they had to scrap it and change it completely. I’m curious to see what original season 3 would have been, but what we got was incredible. So many top tier episodes in this season. Employee of the month, Amour Fou, Army of One, PINE BARRENS!
Melfi is selfish for not telling Tony.
She put other women in danger.
melfi is a good actress. fr fr, she kills it
Melfi is reffering to taking personal responsibility for her own safety and feeling guilty that she didn't exercise more caution. Its like walking into the ghetto at 3 am with 100 dollar bills hanging out of my hat. I may not being asking or deserving to be beaten and robbed, but if I were to be, I wpuld still have some responsibility to my predicament. I dont think what happened to her could have been prevented no matter what she did, nor do I think she should feel guilty about it. She does feel she had a responsibility to look out for her own safety and I think she is right. She didnt ask for it or deserve it by any stretch nor is it her fault, but it doesnt mean being safe isnt her responsibility. Too many people dont think that way and then wonder how they become victims of a crime, even a minor one.
'ghetto'?
Imagine the character it takes to say no to revenge on your rapist. Melfi is a much better person than Tony. That scene gives me the shivers
Yeah but now the guy is out and free to do it again. Sometimes the "moral" decision can be the wrong decision
The justice system failed. The fact you put a legal loophole ahead of peoples safety is crazy. Pacifism doesn't make you a better person. That predator should be removed, permanently.
@@kylethompson3008 Lots of people would let the world burn if it means they get to sit at the top of some imagine moral high ground. They'll let the world world bleed as long as they get to be unstained.
And a much better person than Janice. She called Tony, which will force him to seek payback (even though Janice brought everything on herself).
Mynx is the term usually used where he said mink like an idiot. A mynx is an alluring woman and a mink is a little ferret like creature.
Minx
@@markhamstra1083 They meant lynx, sexy big cats.
nope
this is a brutal episode. as the father of daughter and a husband it was very visceral and i think i have watched that scene once.
Revenge is what leads people to shooting sprees. Just saying, it's all a matter of perspective.
Most don’t understand how violent rape is. The writers wanted to get this point across & did. It’s certainly the most violent rape scene ever depicted in film. It really made viewers mad when it originally aired. I’m glad they showed a true side of rape. That scene will never leave your head. You can never unsee it once you seen it. And it’s not the last time this show will stun you like this.
There are definitely more horrific depictions out there. Irreversible is certainly more brutal.
The HBO show "Oz" might have a few worse scenes.
That's a hard episode to watch. I found the scene where Richard blames Jennifer for being careless as a important conversation. I'm sure it was said out of frustration and maybe a little bit of male ego more than judgement. I did remind me of a talk show(Graham Norton) where the two male guest were joking at how a actress in a scene had the wits to arm herself with a set of car keys and the two male stars joked saying 'who thinks of these things in the heat of the moment. Then the accompanying female guest said 'we have to all the time and the women in the audience agreed. Men would rarely think twice about walking through a carpark alone . It's like sometimes we live on two different worlds, Men and Women. It's not right.
I totally understand. I can watch almost anything, I love the Terrifier movies & I've seen the Human Centipede movies & a Serbian Film. However, THAT r*** scene ...I still can't watch it. It's too much 🙅🏽♀
Please don't misunderstand me, but this depiction of an assault is very unpleasant. It makes it very clear that it's not about sex, but about forcing another person to submit. It's about diminishing them. The responses of the family members are more about their own feelings of helplessness than they are about comforting and protecting their loved one - they can't hurt the one responsible, but they feel a desperate need to lash out, to DO SOMETHING, and Melfi is the nearest target. It's awful. The writers and actors did an amazing job tackling a tough subject.
It is clearly about power, nobody is questioning that. But it would be a mistake to entirely dismiss the element of 'sex' from the equation. A distorted and horrendous application to be sure, but it's inextricably linked in the pathology.
it was hard watching this knowing you didn't know the content of the episode. It should really come with a warning. I wish I could warn you to make sure you're feeling safe and strong before episode 6, but you've probably watched it already. It's one of the best Sopranos episodes of the entire show, but, like this episode, it should come with a warning.
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@@normie2716 👍😃
Honestly, she should have told Tony. That creep will definitely do it again and will probably kill some woman eventually. The law had its chance.
Yeah, that was the thing that bothered me most with this episode. Melli could have prevented the guy from assaulting anyone else. It was selfish not to tell Tony.
@@Brad-ic4bp The assailant is not the issue. The core of the issue is Melfi deciding whether or not she will cross the line of utilizing her relationship with Tony. If she does, she's crossed a moral barrier in a way that she can't undo. Possibly you can argue it is "selfish" in that sense, but wanting to keep your own morality in check and not spiral into vengeance or corruption is a pretty good way to be selfish.
@@Brad-ic4bp Nope. After reporting and identifying the criminal, she has no responsability regarding whatever the guy does after that, it's up to the justice system to deal with him
1:15 - It happened with the Sopranos. The actress who played Livia died in between S2 & S3
I know she wasn't strictly speaking the "star" but she was a main character and the writers had to come up with a lot of new storylines. One of them being a bigger role for Janice
wow do you think that's what she's referring to? The show she's WATCHING IN THE VIDEO YOU ARE COMMENTING ON???
Did you see ANDOR star wars series?
Made me reexamine my attitudes regarding justice. The guy raped her. There has to be some sort of retribution, am I right?
wow! how the hell is dr. melfi SO STRONG?! 🤔 REALLY ENJOYED your reaction 👍☺
Not really, now a rapist is back on the streets. This is a total loss
I hate that this guy has the same first name as me…
Bread basket = abdomen, gut
hmm this episode.
This episode troubles me just because of the lack of follow up
Getting Tony involved would make her an accomplice after the fact. Plus she would owe him favors
All she would need to do is tell him what happened. She wouldn't have to ask him to do anything or even know about it.
But now the guy is out and free to do it again. Sometimes the "moral" decision is the wrong decision
@subliminallime4321 When she told him the first thing out of his mouth is, "I'm going to 'end' him", it would be a reflex for him
@kylethompson3008 I agree
@@kylethompson3008Tony is a murderer! He's worse by a mile!!! 😂
It's that episode
I always dread when reactors get to this point.
If Janice had been carrying a gun she would still have an extra leg
you think those russians weren't strapped?
Yeah I cant watch that part of this episode again
dye-job = her hair is dyed blonde
breadbasket = stomach or abdomen
they said minx (en.wiktionary.org/wiki/minx), not mink (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mink)
no, Ralphie is an idiot, so he said Mink instead