Forcing Too Large Shaft into Steel Tube with Hydraulic Press
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.พ. 2022
- How thick steel rod can you press into tight steel tube with 150 ton hydraulic press? How hard it's going to be? Will it rip and tear? We are going to find out on this viral video and measure the force with our 240 ton force sensor!
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Sorry for all freedom unit users. I just cant cope with the fractions with inches. The different units are still something that I can understand but why on the earth anybody would use fractions? :D
🎶There's a friction too much fraction.🎵
We're binary users at heart
How hard can it be? Your car's crank journals are 1"3/16 and you need to machine them .100" oversize. there's 3 thou of play in them so 3/1000". Your caliber and other measuring devices read decimal. Water freezes at 32 degrees and boils at 212.
Because everything is arbitrary, in fact lazy. Just because it makes the math easier doesnt make it better.
as a freedom unit user, i can tell you, its stupid. id love to convert to freedom meters, but people are unwilling to learn an easier way to measure
"we made a mistake here, we went in dry"
At some point some "woke" person will make a claim that this is an expression of rape or injuring a vagina and wants the video to be taken down. I bet ya. May take years though.
LOL 🤣
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This would be really interesting to see through a thermal camera or with the temperature indicating paint. I'm also curious what force it would take to push the form tool back out.
With this thin tubes it's hard to push it out but I will try with thicker tubes on next video. Usually it takes similar amount of force to push them out that it took to push them in.
I wonder if you could get it to friction weld with forcing these pipes together. It would probably take a long length to do it tho.
@@ronniewilliz153 It think it doesn't get that hot and the longer the pipe the thicker it has to be to stay straight and that makes it heavier and harder to heat up.
I was going to suggest the same thing, I'd also like to see what it looks like through a thermal imager.
Could you forge weld with the press and some red hot steel parts? My father and I tried to forge weld with our coke forge and some hammers a long time ago but never could get anything to stick together very well.
I must say the choice to use a rusty piece of tubing, really made this so much more interesting to watch. The ability to see the steel stretch, and the surface be effected by the stretching is just fascinating imo.
That’s grandma
@@Mlglogan-zg1vt damn, grandmas tight as hell
@@oshkiv4684 😩
If you're that much into rusty old things stretching, the hub has categories for that too ;)
I worked as a steel tube mill operator making steel tubing for a number of years. Most steel tubing is seamed, although you can get extruded tubing. We made seamed tubing. This is essentially how we would test the tubing every few hundred feet to make sure it DIDN'T split along the welded seam. If it's manufactured correctly, the welded seam will be stronger that the rest of the wall of the tube. It will always split just like that, but depending on the chemical makeup of the steel, it might spring open all the way along the test sample, IF it splits at the welded seam.. from what I can tell from this video, that seems to be quality tubing!
The way that I learned it from the pipefitters at the shipyard I worked for, "pipe" has a seam, "tubing" is seamless. That could be different in different countries, or even different industries though, I guess.
@@mattelder1971 I suppose this could be considered pipe. Basically the only difference is pipes are always round, tubing can be formed to other shapes, square, oval, D-shape(very fun to run, lol) Also tubing holds tighter tolerances.. Wall, ID, and OD are all kept within around 3 thousands of an inch, wall kept within 1 thousandth usually. Thats off the mill though.
I also highly doubt pipe goes through the DOM(Drawn Over Mandrel) process, which like 90% of the stuff we made was, which brought tolerances down to more like 3-4 ten thousands of an inch.
Both can probably be extruded, but I don't know much about that.
Lauri reminds us all that if we want to easily shove a big rod into a small hole, we should lube up first. An important life lesson has been learned today.
To bad most of us will never have a big rod
*Too
7:33
Of course we know that's what she said.
Not to mention if you adjust your mounting you can enjoy the longer length without fear of it buckling.
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I like that the rust falling off really shows the difference in structure between the metallic iron and the iron oxide. i.e the metallic iron stretches whereas the oxide layer cracks apart
Put some butter on it, some W40 and then you put
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 A sizzling T Bone on the top, and you got yourself a gourmet dinner going on
"Oh no, step shaft, what are you doing?" - step steel tube
I was expecting some weird comments but this takes the game to whole new level :D
@@HydraulicPressChannel don't pretend you didn't insert some cheeky jokes in there as well
5:38 "So we can really enjoy the longer length"
It leaves the hole weak!
He put it on a steel step so we can see it and to make it safer I think :)
Then step press walked in
I love to see massive hard lubricated shafts stretching hot small holes nearly to failure.
thats why i clicked this video
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I see what you did there.
This was the comment I “came” for.
I wanted to upvote it, but it was at 69 upvotes...
This is one of those channels where once you start watching, you cannot stop. Love it!
In the machining industry we call that an interference fit, though the larger shaft is usually only a couple thou bigger than the ID, and the parts are shrink fit instead of forced together but the end result is more or less the same, albeit a little more strong, accurate, concentric and parallel lol.
I saw a video of railway axles being constructed for Bombardier in Victoria, AU just like this. Very interesting!
Lubrication, dont go in dry no
This really should've come out on valentines day lmao
then send it to your partner with no context
I used to install induction welders in tube mills. That's the equipment that welds the seam of pipes. The quality test was very similar to your final test. If the weld is done correctly the weld is stronger than the tube and the tube rips. If the seam fails then that is an indication the machine needs adjusting to strengthen the weld.
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'just the tip'
'only for a minute'
memories from prom night....
Hi Jerry!
I bet it was a magical night for you and the janitor :)
@@HushtheMag he was a complete gentleman. :)
@@gordlawson11 lol Did he "sweep" you off your feet that night?
@@HushtheMag he jumped out of the closet and yelled 'SUPPLIES!!!'
That started out kind of weirdly phallic and then ended up like making pottery vases but with metal. Fascinating content as ever!
No it stayed phallic throughout
I do this a lot at work on 4” to 12” pipe. We stretch or “bell” the pipe by forcing it over a lubed mandrel with a hydraulic pipeline press. After that we use a little epoxy as lube and press a normal diameter end into it. Kinda like PVC pipe but it’s a press fit. It makes putting pipeline together a lot quicker than welding.
Please do more of these experiments with bigger and thicker walled pipes! This was very cool to watch.
If you still have any of that old tube left, you could mark it with some arrows pointing in a single line towards one end before cutting another two pieces off. That way you can tell where they are relative to the seam, even if you flip ends. The first one might be wrong, but then you can adjust and get the second one centered just the way you want for the camera.
Brilliant idea. And I don't think there's a problem with the press or the setup. Pretty sure there is a seam in all pipes but in some cases pipes for nuclear power plants are actually inspected with xray machines for imperfections in the structure.
Since I worked in steel tubing manufacturing, as a mill operator for a number of years.. This is almost exactly how test samples are checked in the manufacturing process ever few hundred feet. If his samples were to consistently split along the seam, it would be considered scrap steel, and tossed. Steel tubing should never split along the seam if it's manufactured correctly. The surrounding wall of the tube should be weaker than the welded seam.
@@mbrueggz
Nice. That's what I was waiting for. Someone who knew for sure.
I think how far you can stretch it also depends on the "cone angle" -- the narrower/smaller the angle, the greater the stretching force will be for a given pressure force, because you're basically trading force against distance. With a narrow angle you'll have to make the shaft and pipe very long to achieve a given final stretch width.
I agree. Metal forming techniques can stretch metal quite dramatically without tearing or breaking it.
It obviously depends a lot on the material, but gold can be made into layers atoms thick (supposedly even one atom thick, though I have a hard time believing that).
@@fronthole_guacamole Exactly! 😁
use more lube.. but worst case, she gets a stitch or 2 😏
@@jakistam1000 I stand corrected, Gold does seam to work harden.
Gold doesn't work harden, so it keeps it's ability to stretch during the entire process. This allows gold to be hammered into extremly thin foils. Copper, aluminum, and iron i.e. do work harden, which results in more brittleness and therefore the cracks and tearsshown in the video. :)
In my head I have Lauri's voice going "Pipe Splitter Ten Million".
Definitely want to see a part 2! Awesome video.
Somedays I feel like you need a back-up go-pro on the back end of press to catch when weird stuff like that happens.
i've had experience on crushing "thick rods", but this is a new one
wow you have hydrolic press too? 😮
As they become thicker and more forceful they are also becoming more phallic.
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Im so happy you all are still making videos i remember wathching your content with my gf a few years ago ive been watching ever since keep up the creative content
Awesome!! I would like to see what would happen if the taper on the shaft wasn't as steep. Like a 5⁰ taper. I know that would make the shaft much longer, but I think it would be interesting.
Thank you Lauri, now the next time I watch porn I'm going to hear "And... here we go!" in my head.
6:50 He made the world's most indestructible Yeti cup
Guarantee that the last one will give a few adult film performers PTSD flashbacks.
8:31 Netflix: are you still watching?
You could use an ir thermometer to see how the temps are raising
A thermal cam view would be fun for these.
The crack at the end is camera shy! 😂. And don't worry about the units! You're using the International system. Key word: INTERNATIONAL! If someone doesn't want to learn it it's their problem! 😄
Freedom units are still the best though! (P.S. not an American)
@@--_DJ_-- In what sense? 12 inches in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 1760 yards in a mile... sure, the best! 😂
@@--_DJ_-- And they are called Imperial units. You can use any make up calling them "Freedom", but they are exactly the opposite! 😂
@@javiTests It was just a joke, but I do only work with imperial measurements when possible. Neither is better in my mind, they get to the same place in different ways. I just have always preferred to work with imperial. There may be some advantages to the ease of the metric system that I don't get into. I do have an odd fondness for fractions but in reality, it doesn't really matter if I am measuring the centers of two holes, which side of the tape I look at.
@@javiTests Start with a base unit that is ~12 inches long and we'll talk about benefits.
A base unit that is ~36 inches long (the meter) needs too many subdivisions for convenient use.
A base unit that is ~0.5 inches long (the centimeter) needs too many multiplications for convenient use.
A kilogram is too heavy for the same reason.
And the Celsius is useful for calibrating thermometers. When was the last time you needed to do that? A high school chemistry lab? That's a sorry excuse for preferring a temperature scale whose divisions are too large.
This is a really cool video. I would like to see more videos where you make custom tools to do different experiments.
That was pretty interesting... would love to see more of this.
I love it when the shaft is too big and you have to force it in. Good job HPC!
Don't forget the lubricant
Yea she likes that shit
I see someone went to prison ;]
@@HushtheMag 😂😂
@@HushtheMag Just don't drop the soap
“Yeah, the lubrication really makes a difference.” That’s what she said!
This whole video in every way is what she said lol
5 years of watching your videos. 1. you work so hard to keep it fresh. Thank you. 2. Your English has improved. 3. I miss the clay/play dough creatures at the end of every video.
More of this pipe stretching please!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) More variety in profiles of the rod would be fun to watch as it goes down the pipe with lubricant of course!
As a rule 34 fan I respect your opinion.
“I’ll be gentle” 😈
You need Jesus
Experience from dropping the soap, eh?
Sus
Reminds me of mia khalifa
You don't have to worry until the mill scale starts flaking off. Then you went too far.
You should heat the pipe to see how far it can stretch
You have a sick mind 🤣
@@domination1985 methinks the sickness is yours..
I think it is with the people who say methinks
@@kapytanhook methinks as much and more the same, verily.
Lauri, I still rewatch your fine, funny work.Thanks for showing how many things explode.
Awesome experiment so Yes. Part 2 thicker tube please!
Also as others suggest - thermal camera?
Maybe consider less aggressive angle for the bigger rods and a tool that you can press the tip of the rod through allowing it to be longer than the tube for that gentle angle?
This is super interesting. One of the most interesting things in years.
Please try thicker pipes.
I’ve heard that request before!
This was awesome. Great idea. Definitely want more.
Obligatory bad joke: 'That's what she said.'
that's what the pipes said
never thought i'd end up jacking it to steel shafts, tubes and hydraulic presses.
This is an accurate representation of how much force it takes me to deal with dense people.
Have you ever thought about adding an IR camera view for experiments like these so you can see the items heating up in real time?
Thanks for the reminder to always lubricate my pipe and to not go in dry
2:04 "Dis is not going to explode....maybe" is why I love this channel!
Use the tool to expand the pipe until you can insert a second piece of identical pipe and keep doing it as many times as possible to then see if the outside pipe fails or the inside pipe shrinks.
Dude this is excellent! So glad you kept taking it further lol Can't wait for the next video!
I want to make a sexy joke but nothing is coming to me!
Love all your videos , would love to see more of the water pressure chamber
"Anni, come and sit here and explain how we came up with this idea." "I'll think I'll stay standing actually Lauri."
“Go get the pipe stretcher”
This was a lot of fun, good work and bringnon Round Two!
I’ve had nightly escapades that could be described with that title
On a similar note, you could do a video on gauling. When you have two similar metals pushed together sometimes they gaul or kind of micro weld themselves together as you press them... you would have to skip the lube tho.
Do you mean “galling” or are you talking about some French thing? 🙂
@@christiansmyth1466 That is probably the right spelling (I am straight awful). Cheers
I'm wondering if you could show how strong or how interference joints would work with the press - heating one element and cooling the other one and trying to separate them or something...
There are some cool examples of that on the cutting edge engineering channel where he uses liquid nitrogen to shrink bushes before placing them into a bore
2:40 LOL! My mind was screaming, "NO-NO-NO-NO!! LUBE!!! LUBE-LUBE-LUBE-LUBE!!!" And I remembered my wife's screams on our honeymoon night. Thirty-five years later, I still suffer from PTSD.
Whereas she was ready to go again the next morning.
sounds like she gave you a little nonconsensual honeymoon rage-fisting, huh
@@ElTurbinado What is "fisting?"
Looks like you were in the wrong hole. Understandable, it was your first time.
@@zippymax1 well i guess she could've crammed anything up there but it's the first thing i imagined happening that left you with lube-related ptsd and her still ready to go.
@@ElTurbinado I don't know whether you misread my comment or miswrote your reply.
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5:50 I just can't with you Lauri! 😂
One trick for doing this in the future would be to make sure the part where the diameter changes is as smooth and highly polished as possible. It will greatly reduce the force needed.
No fun in that though!
@@skylined5534 it would mean that they could increase the diameter even more
Fascinating! You could use an IR thermometer to take temperature readings before and after.
This content is coming dangerously close to the intended use of a hydraulic press
Amazing to see metal stretching out as if it were fabric. Very cool.
New term: _Metallussi_
That’s one hell of a swaging tool you’ve got there!
Defo need more please
"It's just going to like, rip and tear"
Doom fans: 👀
Working at a Midas we had a pipe bender/expander and yes during expansion/flange making if you went too far the aluminized pipe would split on the seam like these do. This is old pipe and that flaking is either galvanization or aluminization breaking off the surface of the pipe.
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Good topic and commentary for your valentine's day special
can you push a square peg into a round hole ?
Imagine turning a round pipe to a square pipe with an oversized square peg. Heating up the tube beforehand would probably make it possible. I would like to see him try that! 😅
@@Thunderhawk51 to me seems like a good click baity title too.
I used to work for Evraz. Most steel pipe is made using rolled steel "skelp" which is flat sheets of steel in the form of large coils that come into the plant to be processed. It's formed using a continuous system where the coil is fed into the mill (in our case we had what was called an "accumulator" where multiple coils were welded together end-on-end to allow for continuous feeding into the mill). The skelp comes out of the accumulator at a slower speed than how it comes in (hence the ability to keep a steady feed into the mill) and is fed through rollers and formed into a U-shape and then curled together right before the weld head, and gets fusion welded. But there is a process where some pipe is actually drilled out from a solid steel billet. Probably WAY less common though.
this would have been really interesting to see through a thermal camera
really nice video!
3:40 "To make it bit easier I'm going to add some lubrication here" That's what she said! 🤗
going in dry is always a bad idea..............
"Baby it hurts!"
"We made a mistake here, we went in dry"
"Nothing went wrong, so let's make something go wrong"
Makes perfect sense
You should start with a small shaft and tube and keep forcing it into larger and larger tubes until you have a shaft made of many layers.
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Remember -- when you try to ram a long hard thick shaft into a tight hole, be sure to lubricate properly.
;)
Love this..thanks for posting!!!
5:47 is EXACTLY when your mom walks into your room
Where is Anni? Hope everything is fine!
he said a week or two ago , she is good just taking a break from youtube
Working again at least part-time at Ikea.
Love all your videos, learn things I never knew I needed to know!
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I was very nervous with you getting close to that thing after pushing down the press. Thought it was going to explode.
I have no idea why I am watching this at 5 AM in the morning
As far as I know, steel piping is generally a flat piece of steel that's bent and formed into a cylinder and then welded, so it could be interesting to see what would happen to a pipe that's made from a solid cylinder with the centre bored out so there is no welding seam
There are two types, welded and extruded. Extruded is done with a similar process, in concept, to this, but it's supported from the outside while the inside is being enlarged, and it's done hot.
I worked in a steel mill years ago. You can also pierce a billet with a mandrel and produce seamless tubes. Almost the same process as in the video. Except the billets are solid and heated up to over 1800 degrees C, and then pierced. it's pretty neat to see a 3 foot billet turn into a 45 foot tube.
@@chrisatkinson9621 ahhh I see! Learn some thing new every day
I guess with extruded pipe it would fail at the point where the metal happened to be the thinnest and with seam welded it would fail on the weld? But I think a bored out cylinder of metal would be interesting to see this test performed on
Next time you cut pipe for this kind of video, make a line down the "centre" of it before cutting. That way, you can tell which way the first one split, and turn the second one appropriately, until you can figure out if it is always splitting along a seam, or just random. There is always the chance as well, that it is just a long flaw in the pipe.
You realize this whole video is one of the largest "thats what she said" moments I've ever witnessed, right?
Please make more of these videos! Fantastic!
It would be interesting to see that done with some DOM (drawn over mandrel) tubing, it looked like there was a scar from the weld on at least one of the pushing tools.
DOM still has a seam where it’s welded. I’m willing to bet it would still split on the welded seam of the DOM.
@@bens6813 Huh, you are correct. I was thinking of seamless pipe, which apparently DOM is not. I wonder where I got the idea that it was seamless.
I would have lost money on that bet.
@@--_DJ_-- You’d be surprised how many people think DOM is seamless. It’s a very common misunderstanding.
Do a square shaft into a round pipe.
THIS ^^^
Yes please!
I’d like to see the pipe heated up first, and also an end-on view once the pipe has been plugged :-) .
Keep up the great videos 🤘😎🤘
There's probably an innuendo here somewhere, but I don't think it would fit in this kind of video.
It would if you pushed it hard enough.
Yes! Please do more pipes! Different metals would be really cool! You could use the same tools.
I dont think hes getting those pipes off
@@anthonygriffin8421 So you think he'd be unable to press them out with his 150 metric ton hydraulic press? Or even zip cut the pipes, if the press wouldn't be enough for some reason.
This is gonna be demonetized for being too mature.
It's not me or the videos. You are doing it on the comments :D
I think that seamless pipe wouldn't crack like this one.
Also cold rolled steel is engineered to take more stretch before it tears.
Also heat threating the steel to make it soft would be nice.
In the last section you can see where the material starts to rip at around 23 tons. Would be interesting to know what was the diameter then. And also what if you stop before the rip starts and give it a heat treatment? Can it be stretched more then or just cracks like before?