The 1994 strike essentially killed the Expos franchise......Loria was a moron owner, so even if there was no strike I still think he would have found a way to kill the Expos. Also I remember the replacement players as a kid....that was trippy lol.
The Loria situation was more like the movie "Major League" than most people realize. Loria wanted to own a team...in Florida- which he eventually did after he'd gutted the Expos and "sold" them to MLB in exchange for an expansion franchise in Miami. Rinse and repeat they managed a WS title in Miami then Loria cleaned house trading away young core guys (including future HOFer Miggy Cabrera). There was certainly more to it than that- former owner Claude Brochu wanted a new "real" baseball stadium downtown but couldn't get government support-political turmoil in Quebec and the hangover from the entire Olympic (stadium) debacle (which wasn't paid off until the Expos were long gone.) Along with a weak Canadian dollar and rising player salaries the 94 stoppage was pretty much the last nail in the coffin.
I wouldn't replace any of your top 10, but if you want to do a follow-up here are a few ideas: 1) Babe Ruth's "bellyache". Ruth had to check into a hospital for a "bellyache" which protective newspaper reporters attributed to eating too many hot dogs, but was probably some combination of alcohol poisoning and venereal disease. 2) Ray Chapman's death. He was hit in the head by a pitch from Carl Mays, a rather disagreeable pitcher with something of a head-hunting reputation. Many thought Mays hit him on purpose, not necessarily meaning to kill him, but still, they thought Mays should be banned. 3) Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker were accused by pitcher Dutch Leonard of conspiring to fix a late season game to try to alter the standings (there was prize money at the time for finishing second or third). Cobb and Speaker were both released by their teams, but ultimately weren't suspended because Leonard didn't show up for the hearing conducted by Commissioner Landis. 4) The 1910 batting chase. Ty Cobb and Nap Lajoie were battling for the batting title and a Chalmers automobile that went with it. On the final day of the season, the St. Louis Browns played their third baseman back so Lajoie could collect 8 bunt hits in a doubleheader. Cobb, who sat out the final game to preserve his average still won the title in a very close race. Chalmers awarded both men the car. 5) "Ball Four" by Jim Bouton exposed the drinking and womanizing by MLB players in a way that had never been done before, as it was baseball's first "tell-all" book. Bouton was ostracized from the baseball community for years for writing it.
You always do a great job on these videos. Baseball doesn't get anywhere near the national sports coverage it used to, so other than the MLB Network we have to turn to people like you. And you come through big time. Thanks man!
Thanks for another great video! I like some of the smaller cheating scandal stories, like the 1994 Albert Belle corked bat and Jason Grimsley going through the ceiling to steal it out of the locked umpire room, and the 1987 Joe Niekro emery board incident on the mound.
About Jackson, there is serious debate on whether or not he ever took any money, and if he did, what he did with the money. As for throwing games, since he led both teams in batting average, hits, and homers, and committed no errors in the field, it is clear that he was playing on the level. He should have been admitted to the HOF years ago.
There was at least one other pro sports league that lost its post season to strike. The NHL lost the entire 2005 season and post season due to a strike.
@@Rockhound6165 Not really as the owners knew the players would follow the MLB players lead and play the season and collect all their contract money than strike just before the post season. The players pretty much said so. The only difference was the owners foresight of the players planned tactic.
@@Rockhound6165 still doesn't take away from the fact that it was lost post season of a professional league. Does not matter if the owners decided to pull the trigger before the players did in the NHL case, the results would still have been the post season cancelled either way due to the main issue being the implementation of a salary cap.
@Rockhound6165 if you listen he doesn't say the post season was lost due to a strike, he said it was lost due to a labor dispute. So, there ya go. Whether it's initiated by players or owners, a labor dispute is a labor dispute, and the post season was lost because of it.
I have researched enough about the sign stealing "scandal" to know that electronic sign-stealing was a leaguewide problem. MLB actually implemented a sign stealing rule that prohibited electronic sign-stealing back in the year 2000. That rule was not officially updated until the end of 2018. It was the standing rule when everything was happening in 2017. 2000 Rule “No club shall use ELECTRONIC equipment, including walkie-talkies and cellular telephones, to communicate to or with any on-field personnel, including those in the dugout, bullpen field and-during the game-the clubhouse. Such equipment may not be used for the purpose of STEALING signs or CONVEYING information designed to give a club an advantage.” What I haven't been able to find out is what prompted MLB to implement that rule back then? What were teams doing back then? MLB had already been dealing with that problem for years. Tom Verducci then wrote how he thinks electronic sign-stealing became rampant leaguewide: Verducci explained: "Once baseball went to a challenge replay system (2014), they put television monitors within range of the dugoutS that had cameras dedicated from center field to the home plate area and those cameras were in REAL TIME. It was just too tempting for a lot of players not to take advantage of and misuse. That I call Pandora'a Box that was opened by players stealing signs. Now the Commissioner is trying to close that box and who knows what other forms of technology will make policing this kind of thing even more difficult." Teams were breaking the rule and MLB was fully aware of the problem. It would be interesting to know why that rule came into play back in 2000. Very interesting video, Erik. Thank you and love you! ❤❤
excellent video! even though I knew of all these scandals, learned new information and remembered some things that had been forgotten. your number one was spot-on.
18:24 -- "No other American major professional sports league has ever had to cancel an entire postseason due to a labor dispute," isn't entirely accurate. The NHL cancelled the entire 2004-05 season and postseason due to a lockout. But the 1994 MLB strike WAS the first time a major American sports league cancelled an entire postseason due to a labor dispute.
What a GREAT JOB you did here!! I thought it was all gonna be fish-in-the-barrel, stale-hat scandals rehashed (as many are). THIS was OUTSTANDING in detail & scope, bud! 👏👏
Steroid era was the best thing to happen to baseball. So sick of the boomers and their phony outrage. Mac Sammy Clemens and Bonds should be in the HOF.
1994 wasn’t about the players. It was about the greed about the owners. It’s what we see from the billionaire class now towards destroying our country now.
Steinbrenner was a true scumbag. I hope he never makes the Hall of fame because of what he did to several players. Even Ken Griffey Jr. wouldn't sign with the Yankees because they messed with his father. Bad at understanding baseball too. He never valued his farm system, which probably cost the Yankees a few world series titles in the 80s and early 90s.
Steinbrenner personally messed with Griffey, Jr. by having security remove him from the dugout during practice, stating that players' kids were not allowed in the dugout or on the field. Then Nettles' son shagged fly balls out in the outfield.
Denny McLain’s gambling issues would be the one honourable mention I’d add. He went from back to back Cy Youngs and a 30 win season to out of the league in 4 years
Even though the sign stealing scandal enabled unfair play, even though the team was practically unpunished, and arguably rewarded with further success for doing so nothing will ever compare to the Black Sox
Just subscribed to your channel. Love the material you put together and the time and research you put into it. Your Top 10 Ballplayers that are Cancers in the clubhouse was excellent. This one is great as well. Great information for debate - which is what makes baseball a great game.
I think WE should be the insurance policy as fans if the writers fail to elect anyone instead. That way, there's never an empty year, and only a drip of long overdue players would make it in. Rose, Joe Jackson, Bonds, and Dick Allen.
Have you done a video about great players who ended their careers playing poorly for a weird team? Steve Carlton with the Twins and Harmon Killebrew with the Royals are two I can think of offhand.
@@gregb6469 "Weird" as in Carlton and Killebrew were well-known for being on the teams where they put up Hall of Fame numbers, and most people don't remember them even playing for these "weird" teams. Wear a Kansas City Royals Harmon Killebrew jersey to a Twins or Royals game, and see the odd reactions you get, and the heads exploding when they learn that he did play for the Royals during his final season in the MLB.
You left out one of the biggest scandals: the collusion to pay minor league players pennies by both the owners AND the major league players union, not changing until 2023. Even at AAA, most players made less than a full time minimum wage job, despite the fact that MLB rakes in billions per year. Compare this with pro hockey where ALL the players negotiate together: NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other pro leagues, true COLLECTIVE bargaining and has been that way since the 1970s.
Gambling is a terrible addiction. I've been there, so I know what Pete has been through. Fortunately, I was able to stop. You have to want to stop as well as have someone hold you accountable. I wish the best to Pete.
Great video Erick! A few other big scandals were huge deals too. One was the Tye Cobb scandal where a sensationalist journalist followed him around and then wrote a scathing book about him being a terrible person. No one knows what to make of it though because the journalist had actually lost all his credentials and was writing a book because he was banned from writing for essentially every publication for being caught lying on multiple occasions in his journalism. That's a pretty big scandal because either Cobb was as terrible as he said or he was continuing his trend of lying profusely about baseball players to further his own career. Of course there was the New York Mets Doc Gooden/Darryl Strawberry cocaine scandal. Ken Caminiti had his own cocaine scandal and unlike the 70's Pirates I believe all of those players were actually using crack cocaine. There's the Trevor Bauer scandal as well but it has some similarities to the Ty Cobb scandal in the sense that the allegations could all have just been made up since neither scandal involved a disreputable person making the claims. The other two scandals I can think of are the still ongoing Wander Franco scandal as well as the Felipe Vazquez scandal. I can definitely see not even wanting to discuss those though because they are so terrible. There were also at least a couple corked bat scandals. Sammy Sosa was caught using a corked bat during the game. Albert Belle used a corked bat that was confiscated and then they sent one of his teammates crawling through the ceiling to sneak in a room and replace the corked bat with a legal bat which wasn't corked to avoid being caught. John Rocker had his scandal as well and on top of that later admitted to using steroids. Great content though! I love this kind of content.
Just imagine how many HRS Barry Bonds would have crushed had he not been walked intentionally one time during that record setting 73 homerun season... 😮😮😮
I know a person who is a grandson of one of the black Sox's. And he was also traded to the Yankees and was a roommate to Babe Ruth. And he's got the memorabilia to prove it. Including a ball signed by Ruth
Don't know if this qualifies but in 1912 Ty Cobb was suspended for going into the stands and beating up a fan who was heckling him and in protest the rest of the team refused to play so the Tigers had to piece together a team literally from the street. So a bunch of bush leaguers had to play the defending World Series champion A's and it turned out how you would imagine. The A's won the game 24-2.
At the end of the day, does MLB really care about cheating? Hell some of these controversies made MLB more profitable than it ever has been. It's still a business as much as it is a sport.
2004 NHL season was completely cancelled along with Stanley Cup playoffs. Being Canadian this pissed me off to no end and was the start of me not watching hockey anymore. Im surprised hockey survived that considering how baseball damn near died off
Regarding Rose, did he ever bet to lose, or always to win? Did his betting ever affect how he played or managed? Since he is well past the age of being able to manage, I think it is time to lift the suspension and elect him to the HOF.
With you. Thinking the same. If Bonds or any of the others get in the HOF Rose should too. Great read Rose's book 'My Prison Without Bars'. Years since I read it, but I recall it darkly humorous (purposefully) and not very polished but a lot of good stories nowhere else.
No the biggest reason is he doesn’t give a shit he’s not sorry he got caught and continues to lie about it and even bet on the reds in 2021 or 2022 when Ohio allowed gambling and even said if he had an interpreter he’d have gotten away with betting does this sound like a guy who’s truely sorry or is only sorry he got caught cause he’s never shown true remorse only fake
This is impossible! I have it on good authority that the first and only time cheating ever occurred in this sport was in the 2017 World Series! 😤😤🤣🤘🏾🏆🏆
the MLB letting John Fisher deliberately sabotage a nine-time championship franchise's well being so he can extort Nevada Taxpayers is something that may damage my love for this game beyond repair if the Oakland Athletics are relocated and I'm not even a fan of the team
that isn’t fair to Babe Ruth. He obviously was one of the best all-time players. It wasn’t his fault, and I would never say that Satchel Paige wasn’t one of the greatest pitchers of all time or Josh Gibson wasn’t one of the greatest players of all time. they certainly were.
Except babe was better than all the black players… what you should be saying is that negro league stats are a joke and shouldn’t be taken seriously because the necrotic leagues were garbage
32:00 Fun fact When Jackie was promoted from the minors, which team did he come forma? A team that cared for him, loved him and didn't want to see him go. That city? And that team, were the Montreal Royals, who had won the minor leagues Champtonship, that season.
Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall, and I'm glad they've kept that piece of trash out. He broke the number one rule, with a well-established punishment. You throw baseball games and you're out, and I don't believe for a second that he didn't throw games. Man lied with irrefutable truth for 30 years about his gambling on the game, he absolutely lied about more than that.
Steroids (I was a huge McGwire and Sosa fan), with Selig looking the other way, and then being elected to the HOF, broke my back. I no longer watch the game.
A thing about Hinch, he handled that about as well as possible. To outright ban it would risk it needing to be documented and publish that it happened. He outwardly opposed and destroyed the monitor, but is still a pariah.
If anyone listens to Kennesaw Landis decision to ban the Black Sox players it was about throwing games, not gambling! Rose did not throw games but gambled. Gambling has been part of everything for 150 years.
I completely understand why the players union is skeptical with anything these owners do, especially with baseballs history of terrible owners. But man a salary cap would have been nice. Get some parity in there.
Then there should be a salary floor too. Because too many rich owners want to cry "small market" but pocket the revenue sharing $$$ they get from high spending clubs.
You can say what you want about Steinbrenner but he lived in Tampa Bay Florida and I remember he actually paid for my high school to play at the old Tampa Stadium for the Jamboree
The 1994 strike just showed how much the owners and players really cared about the sport. If you never watched or went to a game after that, I don't blame you. There were some good storylines, and they should have let them play out, and work on labor peace the next year. People say that steroids saved the game after that, but that's not anything to be proud of.
Knowing about the drugs in the 80s I say they need to leave the steroid era alone. In my opinion baseball knew about the steroids. How ironic that the long ball is what brought fans back to the MLB after the strike
now that gambling is all over baseball rose need to be reconscidered... if fan duel can advertise at a game and on tv and radio there is some explaining to do
I’m so tired of the 1919 scandal being called the black Sox scandal. Call it what it is. The white Sox scandal. I am so surprised that this is still being called this
The Hall of Fame is a joke if they don't put in Pete and the steroid guys. Steroids saved baseball. That home run race between Big Mac n Sosa was still the best TV I've ever seen. Everyone in America was watching.
Pete rose literally give zero fucks about baseball he has no remorse for what he did and continues to bet and is a distain towards the league just like steroids
Now that pete rose is gone imagine the mlb inducts him to save face. He got in trouble for something that is legal now and likely was just a fall guy/scapegoat for the mlb.
21:00 There may have not been an official series winner but Sega of America, ran computer simulationS using the exact same rosters and stats. I forget how many times the ran the SIM but it was at least 100 but most likely more. The overall numbers, do not have the specifics but I do remember, according to local Radio, that barring a major injury. Gwynne would have broke Ted Williams .406 and the Montreal Expos would have won the World Series gainst the Yankees, which many believed, would have enabled them to remain together and become a Dynasty. Pedro was just getting better Vlad Guerrero, Hose Video, and many others were ready to step up, keeping the team in Montreal. So we uave not forgiven MLB but the game of Baseball is the be So but MLB IS THE WORST.
Let's face it, Bauer is weird - very weird BUT He is a Hell of a Pitcher. I personally like him a lot because he is Colorful. Baseball is great because of the Craziness. Love it!
He's been a locker room cancer with every team he played for. He's free to sign, no one wants him. Baseball teams and their ACTUAL fans know this. S*** posters who cheer on Domestic Abusers, don't.
The 1994 strike essentially killed the Expos franchise......Loria was a moron owner, so even if there was no strike I still think he would have found a way to kill the Expos. Also I remember the replacement players as a kid....that was trippy lol.
I was a loyal Expos fan, never a Blue Jays fan. I never thought anything could be worse than Black Monday, but 1994 proved it could.
It's a shame there're putting a team in LV before giving you guys your expos back
@@jimboscooter432There’s not enough community interest in MTL to sustain a franchise
The Loria situation was more like the movie "Major League" than most people realize. Loria wanted to own a team...in Florida- which he eventually did after he'd gutted the Expos and "sold" them to MLB in exchange for an expansion franchise in Miami. Rinse and repeat they managed a WS title in Miami then Loria cleaned house trading away young core guys (including future HOFer Miggy Cabrera). There was certainly more to it than that- former owner Claude Brochu wanted a new "real" baseball stadium downtown but couldn't get government support-political turmoil in Quebec and the hangover from the entire Olympic (stadium) debacle (which wasn't paid off until the Expos were long gone.) Along with a weak Canadian dollar and rising player salaries the 94 stoppage was pretty much the last nail in the coffin.
Replacement players wasn't a new concept. The NFL did so for 3 games of the 1987 season.
I wouldn't replace any of your top 10, but if you want to do a follow-up here are a few ideas:
1) Babe Ruth's "bellyache". Ruth had to check into a hospital for a "bellyache" which protective newspaper reporters attributed to eating too many hot dogs, but was probably some combination of alcohol poisoning and venereal disease.
2) Ray Chapman's death. He was hit in the head by a pitch from Carl Mays, a rather disagreeable pitcher with something of a head-hunting reputation. Many thought Mays hit him on purpose, not necessarily meaning to kill him, but still, they thought Mays should be banned.
3) Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker were accused by pitcher Dutch Leonard of conspiring to fix a late season game to try to alter the standings (there was prize money at the time for finishing second or third). Cobb and Speaker were both released by their teams, but ultimately weren't suspended because Leonard didn't show up for the hearing conducted by Commissioner Landis.
4) The 1910 batting chase. Ty Cobb and Nap Lajoie were battling for the batting title and a Chalmers automobile that went with it. On the final day of the season, the St. Louis Browns played their third baseman back so Lajoie could collect 8 bunt hits in a doubleheader. Cobb, who sat out the final game to preserve his average still won the title in a very close race. Chalmers awarded both men the car.
5) "Ball Four" by Jim Bouton exposed the drinking and womanizing by MLB players in a way that had never been done before, as it was baseball's first "tell-all" book. Bouton was ostracized from the baseball community for years for writing it.
You always do a great job on these videos. Baseball doesn't get anywhere near the national sports coverage it used to, so other than the MLB Network we have to turn to people like you. And you come through big time. Thanks man!
Thanks for another great video!
I like some of the smaller cheating scandal stories, like the 1994 Albert Belle corked bat and Jason Grimsley going through the ceiling to steal it out of the locked umpire room, and the 1987 Joe Niekro emery board incident on the mound.
Yess gotta do a video on that.. thanks!
George Brett July 1983 pine tar incident.
@@stevenporter863That wasn't exactly a scandal, though. It was a technicality that was overruled by A.L. President Lee McPhail.
About Jackson, there is serious debate on whether or not he ever took any money, and if he did, what he did with the money. As for throwing games, since he led both teams in batting average, hits, and homers, and committed no errors in the field, it is clear that he was playing on the level. He should have been admitted to the HOF years ago.
Definitely should be in, if for no other reason it was a lifetime ban. He's dead. Ban is over!
True. But he KNEW about it and said nothing. That's why he's banned.
@@Inquisitor6321 -- Joe tried to tell Comiskey (the White Sox owner) about the plot, but Comiskey blew him off.
Regarding the 1994 strike: My dad has never forgiven them. He still likes collecting baseball cards but has never watched a game since the strike.
There was at least one other pro sports league that lost its post season to strike. The NHL lost the entire 2005 season and post season due to a strike.
That wasn't a strike. It was a lockout. I know it's semantics but there is a difference.
@@Rockhound6165 Not really as the owners knew the players would follow the MLB players lead and play the season and collect all their contract money than strike just before the post season. The players pretty much said so. The only difference was the owners foresight of the players planned tactic.
@@joanned8172 still doesn't take away from the fact that it was a lockout and not a strike.
@@Rockhound6165 still doesn't take away from the fact that it was lost post season of a professional league. Does not matter if the owners decided to pull the trigger before the players did in the NHL case, the results would still have been the post season cancelled either way due to the main issue being the implementation of a salary cap.
@Rockhound6165 if you listen he doesn't say the post season was lost due to a strike, he said it was lost due to a labor dispute. So, there ya go. Whether it's initiated by players or owners, a labor dispute is a labor dispute, and the post season was lost because of it.
Another outstanding video as always very well documented and rated fairly.
Thank you!!
I have researched enough about the sign stealing "scandal" to know that electronic sign-stealing was a leaguewide problem. MLB actually implemented a sign stealing rule that prohibited electronic sign-stealing back in the year 2000. That rule was not officially updated until the end of 2018. It was the standing rule when everything was happening in 2017.
2000 Rule
“No club shall use ELECTRONIC equipment, including walkie-talkies and cellular telephones, to communicate to or with any on-field personnel, including those in the dugout, bullpen field and-during the game-the clubhouse. Such equipment may not be used for the purpose of STEALING signs or CONVEYING information designed to give a club an advantage.”
What I haven't been able to find out is what prompted MLB to implement that rule back then? What were teams doing back then? MLB had already been dealing with that problem for years. Tom Verducci then wrote how he thinks electronic sign-stealing became rampant leaguewide:
Verducci explained: "Once baseball went to a challenge replay system (2014), they put television monitors within range of the dugoutS that had cameras dedicated from center field to the home plate area and those cameras were in REAL TIME. It was just too tempting for a lot of players not to take advantage of and misuse. That I call Pandora'a Box that was opened by players stealing signs. Now the Commissioner is trying to close that box and who knows what other forms of technology will make policing this kind of thing even more difficult."
Teams were breaking the rule and MLB was fully aware of the problem. It would be interesting to know why that rule came into play back in 2000. Very interesting video, Erik. Thank you and love you!
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excellent video! even though I knew of all these scandals, learned new information and remembered some things that had been forgotten. your number one was spot-on.
Love these top 10 or 25 lists. I learn a fair bit that happened before I became a fan. Really appreciate these
18:24 -- "No other American major professional sports league has ever had to cancel an entire postseason due to a labor dispute," isn't entirely accurate. The NHL cancelled the entire 2004-05 season and postseason due to a lockout. But the 1994 MLB strike WAS the first time a major American sports league cancelled an entire postseason due to a labor dispute.
What a GREAT JOB you did here!! I thought it was all gonna be fish-in-the-barrel, stale-hat scandals rehashed (as many are). THIS was OUTSTANDING in detail & scope, bud! 👏👏
I opened a sporting apparel store in April of 1994. The strike of 1994 was huge to me, and really if the Chiefs weren't good I would have to close.
Steroid era was the best thing to happen to baseball. So sick of the boomers and their phony outrage. Mac Sammy Clemens and Bonds should be in the HOF.
1994 wasn’t about the players. It was about the greed about the owners. It’s what we see from the billionaire class now towards destroying our country now.
Brilliantly researched and presented. I learned a ton in this video about things I thought I previously had a decent grasp. I enjoyed it!
Good job!
Riveted throughout the whole production.
Sad that 'owners' still ruin everything. 😒
Steinbrenner was a true scumbag. I hope he never makes the Hall of fame because of what he did to several players. Even Ken Griffey Jr. wouldn't sign with the Yankees because they messed with his father. Bad at understanding baseball too. He never valued his farm system, which probably cost the Yankees a few world series titles in the 80s and early 90s.
Steinbrenner personally messed with Griffey, Jr. by having security remove him from the dugout during practice, stating that players' kids were not allowed in the dugout or on the field. Then Nettles' son shagged fly balls out in the outfield.
That is why I always cringe when Yankee fans bash his son Hal (though he ain't good either). They are blinded by nostalgia.
Denny McLain’s gambling issues would be the one honourable mention I’d add. He went from back to back Cy Youngs and a 30 win season to out of the league in 4 years
Even though the sign stealing scandal enabled unfair play, even though the team was practically unpunished, and arguably rewarded with further success for doing so
nothing will ever compare to the Black Sox
Just subscribed to your channel. Love the material you put together and the time and research you put into it. Your Top 10 Ballplayers that are Cancers in the clubhouse was excellent. This one is great as well. Great information for debate - which is what makes baseball a great game.
On #6, if I were Rose, I'd point out how Draft kings openly advertising gives away what ever moral grounds baseball stood on to keep him out.
Great job on the video. Learned some news facts I never knew before.
Let the players decide who enters the HOF, otherwise it sucks, reason, same shit, money, arrogance, discrimination an so on!
I think WE should be the insurance policy as fans if the writers fail to elect anyone instead. That way, there's never an empty year, and only a drip of long overdue players would make it in. Rose, Joe Jackson, Bonds, and Dick Allen.
Like your idea - after all, Cooperstown promoted the false narrative that "Doubleday invented base ball".
Good work bro 💯💪🏼
Yesss!!!!! Been waiting for this one
Dock Ellis pitched in three games for the 1979 Pirates. He played no role in the WS title.
Have you done a video about great players who ended their careers playing poorly for a weird team? Steve Carlton with the Twins and Harmon Killebrew with the Royals are two I can think of offhand.
The Twins and Royals are not 'weird' teams.
@@gregb6469 "Weird" as in Carlton and Killebrew were well-known for being on the teams where they put up Hall of Fame numbers, and most people don't remember them even playing for these "weird" teams. Wear a Kansas City Royals Harmon Killebrew jersey to a Twins or Royals game, and see the odd reactions you get, and the heads exploding when they learn that he did play for the Royals during his final season in the MLB.
Willie Mays on the Mets is probably the most famous example, but even long before that was Babe Ruth on the Boston Braves in 1935.
You left out one of the biggest scandals: the collusion to pay minor league players pennies by both the owners AND the major league players union, not changing until 2023. Even at AAA, most players made less than a full time minimum wage job, despite the fact that MLB rakes in billions per year. Compare this with pro hockey where ALL the players negotiate together: NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other pro leagues, true COLLECTIVE bargaining and has been that way since the 1970s.
Rose has plenty of acclaim in the Reds HOF - an excellent museum.
"No other American major professional sports league has ever had to cancel an entire post season due to a labor dispute."
NHL in 2004-Hold my beer.
As a Brewer fan, I despise Ryan Braun.
Really enjoyed this video. Well done.
Can you do a top 10 most common baseball superstitions?
Yes great idea!
Gambling is a terrible addiction. I've been there, so I know what Pete has been through. Fortunately, I was able to stop. You have to want to stop as well as have someone hold you accountable. I wish the best to Pete.
Pete Rose is a low life bum.
Great video Erick! A few other big scandals were huge deals too. One was the Tye Cobb scandal where a sensationalist journalist followed him around and then wrote a scathing book about him being a terrible person. No one knows what to make of it though because the journalist had actually lost all his credentials and was writing a book because he was banned from writing for essentially every publication for being caught lying on multiple occasions in his journalism. That's a pretty big scandal because either Cobb was as terrible as he said or he was continuing his trend of lying profusely about baseball players to further his own career.
Of course there was the New York Mets Doc Gooden/Darryl Strawberry cocaine scandal. Ken Caminiti had his own cocaine scandal and unlike the 70's Pirates I believe all of those players were actually using crack cocaine.
There's the Trevor Bauer scandal as well but it has some similarities to the Ty Cobb scandal in the sense that the allegations could all have just been made up since neither scandal involved a disreputable person making the claims.
The other two scandals I can think of are the still ongoing Wander Franco scandal as well as the Felipe Vazquez scandal. I can definitely see not even wanting to discuss those though because they are so terrible.
There were also at least a couple corked bat scandals. Sammy Sosa was caught using a corked bat during the game. Albert Belle used a corked bat that was confiscated and then they sent one of his teammates crawling through the ceiling to sneak in a room and replace the corked bat with a legal bat which wasn't corked to avoid being caught. John Rocker had his scandal as well and on top of that later admitted to using steroids.
Great content though! I love this kind of content.
*Ty Cobb (drop the e)
Just imagine how many HRS Barry Bonds would have crushed had he not been walked intentionally one time during that record setting 73 homerun season... 😮😮😮
Pete Rose should never be in Hall of Fame. He might try Gambler’s Anonymous.
You were quite right about number one!
I know a person who is a grandson of one of the black Sox's. And he was also traded to the Yankees and was a roommate to Babe Ruth. And he's got the memorabilia to prove it. Including a ball signed by Ruth
I’m from the UK and a new fan to baseball so I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for making 👍🏻
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Such a cool video and great channel!!!
Most of these scandals are things mlb knew about but didn’t want to do anything about it until the public found out.
Don't know if this qualifies but in 1912 Ty Cobb was suspended for going into the stands and beating up a fan who was heckling him and in protest the rest of the team refused to play so the Tigers had to piece together a team literally from the street. So a bunch of bush leaguers had to play the defending World Series champion A's and it turned out how you would imagine. The A's won the game 24-2.
At the end of the day, does MLB really care about cheating? Hell some of these controversies made MLB more profitable than it ever has been. It's still a business as much as it is a sport.
I find it amusing that the fellow who played the Pirates mascot was involved in the drug scandal. Unbelievable!
Masterfully done. I couldn't find a spot to disagree.
Thank you!
The fact that bud selig, the guy who turned a blind eye to steroid use, has a plaque in the hall of fame while others do not is a complete joke.
Awesome Video
Well done and interesting
This channel is underrated
2004 NHL season was completely cancelled along with Stanley Cup playoffs.
Being Canadian this pissed me off to no end and was the start of me not watching hockey anymore.
Im surprised hockey survived that considering how baseball damn near died off
Regarding Rose, did he ever bet to lose, or always to win? Did his betting ever affect how he played or managed? Since he is well past the age of being able to manage, I think it is time to lift the suspension and elect him to the HOF.
With you. Thinking the same. If Bonds or any of the others get in the HOF Rose should too. Great read Rose's book 'My Prison Without Bars'. Years since I read it, but I recall it darkly humorous (purposefully) and not very polished but a lot of good stories nowhere else.
No the biggest reason is he doesn’t give a shit he’s not sorry he got caught and continues to lie about it and even bet on the reds in 2021 or 2022 when Ohio allowed gambling and even said if he had an interpreter he’d have gotten away with betting does this sound like a guy who’s truely sorry or is only sorry he got caught cause he’s never shown true remorse only fake
I often wonder what the 1980's would have been like if there was True Free Agency and no Owner Collusion.
I never forgave MLB for the 94 strike. Today, I don’t even care about baseball.
So whatever has happened to the shohei ohtani betting scandle. Probably nothing will come of it because he is the darling of baseball.
Both Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker were caught fixing games but the Black Sox Scandal glossed over it.
This is impossible! I have it on good authority that the first and only time cheating ever occurred in this sport was in the 2017 World Series! 😤😤🤣🤘🏾🏆🏆
the MLB letting John Fisher deliberately sabotage a nine-time championship franchise's well being so he can extort Nevada Taxpayers is something that may damage my love for this game beyond repair if the Oakland Athletics are relocated
and I'm not even a fan of the team
Great video.
Thanks!
Dave Winfield was great with the BlueJays.
The Gentlemans agreement is why I will never consider Babe Ruth one of the best players of all time. He never played against the best black players.
that isn’t fair to Babe Ruth. He obviously was one of the best all-time players. It wasn’t his fault, and I would never say that Satchel Paige wasn’t one of the greatest pitchers of all time or Josh Gibson wasn’t one of the greatest players of all time. they certainly were.
same could be said the other way around for satchel paige hilton smith etc
Except babe was better than all the black players… what you should be saying is that negro league stats are a joke and shouldn’t be taken seriously because the necrotic leagues were garbage
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Fun fact
When Jackie was promoted from the minors, which team did he come forma?
A team that cared for him, loved him and didn't want to see him go. That city?
And that team, were the Montreal Royals, who had won the minor leagues Champtonship, that season.
Pete Rose doesn't belong in the hall, and I'm glad they've kept that piece of trash out. He broke the number one rule, with a well-established punishment. You throw baseball games and you're out, and I don't believe for a second that he didn't throw games. Man lied with irrefutable truth for 30 years about his gambling on the game, he absolutely lied about more than that.
Astros scandal should be higher.
Great video.
You know the one constant about corruption and baseball? Corrupt Officials, most especially Umpires (and most ESPECIALLY an Angel named Hernandez!)
Steroids (I was a huge McGwire and Sosa fan), with Selig looking the other way, and then being elected to the HOF, broke my back. I no longer watch the game.
A thing about Hinch, he handled that about as well as possible. To outright ban it would risk it needing to be documented and publish that it happened. He outwardly opposed and destroyed the monitor, but is still a pariah.
If anyone listens to Kennesaw Landis decision to ban the Black Sox players it was about throwing games, not gambling! Rose did not throw games but gambled. Gambling has been part of everything for 150 years.
1994 was the worse season ever.
2020 being a close second.
The Gentlmans agreement was just plain sad
I completely understand why the players union is skeptical with anything these owners do, especially with baseballs history of terrible owners. But man a salary cap would have been nice. Get some parity in there.
Then there should be a salary floor too. Because too many rich owners want to cry "small market" but pocket the revenue sharing $$$ they get from high spending clubs.
You can say what you want about Steinbrenner but he lived in Tampa Bay Florida and I remember he actually paid for my high school to play at the old Tampa Stadium for the Jamboree
You’re tight about #1
Bud Selig knew that steroids were running rampant. Still, he was given a HOF plaque.
Dope video
Wouldn't the NHL lockout in 04-05 count as a major sports league ALSO canceling a post season? Just asking what the difference would be?
The 1994 strike just showed how much the owners and players really cared about the sport. If you never watched or went to a game after that, I don't blame you. There were some good storylines, and they should have let them play out, and work on labor peace the next year. People say that steroids saved the game after that, but that's not anything to be proud of.
I stand humbled. Dock Ellis pitched 7 innings for the 1979 Pirates!
Knowing about the drugs in the 80s I say they need to leave the steroid era alone. In my opinion baseball knew about the steroids. How ironic that the long ball is what brought fans back to the MLB after the strike
Am I the only one who doesn't consider a strike a scandal?
It damaged the game hard. But there weren't any drugs, gambling or crimes involved.
now that gambling is all over baseball rose need to be reconscidered... if fan duel can advertise at a game and on tv and radio there is some explaining to do
10 home runs behind Maris is not "on pace" to threaten his home run record.
I’m so tired of the 1919 scandal being called the black Sox scandal. Call it what it is. The white Sox scandal. I am so surprised that this is still being called this
The Hall of Fame is a joke if they don't put in Pete and the steroid guys. Steroids saved baseball. That home run race between Big Mac n Sosa was still the best TV I've ever seen. Everyone in America was watching.
Pete rose literally give zero fucks about baseball he has no remorse for what he did and continues to bet and is a distain towards the league just like steroids
What about the "shot heard 'round the world' sign stealing scandal? And why do all these teams feel the need to cheat against the Dodgers?
the pittsburg coke thing is keeping kieth hernandez out of the hall.... 2 world series 300 liftime ave best fielding first baseman in my lifetime.
What about how the owners concluded on Barry bonds and ran him out if baseball and more recently Trevor Bauer
Now that pete rose is gone imagine the mlb inducts him to save face. He got in trouble for something that is legal now and likely was just a fall guy/scapegoat for the mlb.
Roger Clemens went to trial and was acquited. He should not be mentioned with the others.
18:24 if only that were true (it may have been true at the time); the Stanley Cup carries the stain of the canceled 2004-2005 NHL season
I didn't like Ryan braun before that speech. Afterwards I despised him. I knew he was lying. He should've gotten a lifetime ban
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There may have not been an official series winner but Sega of America, ran computer simulationS using the exact same rosters and stats.
I forget how many times the ran the SIM but it was at least 100 but most likely more.
The overall numbers, do not have the specifics but I do remember, according to local Radio, that barring a major injury. Gwynne would have broke Ted Williams .406 and the Montreal Expos would have won the World Series gainst the Yankees, which many believed, would have enabled them to remain together and become a Dynasty.
Pedro was just getting better Vlad Guerrero, Hose Video, and many others were ready to step up, keeping the team in Montreal.
So we uave not forgiven
MLB but the game of Baseball is the be So but MLB IS THE WORST.
There is a scandal on how the MLB is treating Trevor Bauer. This should be scrutinized heavily.
Nah we don’t care.
He’s not suspended or anything. Teams just don’t want him lmfao
Let's face it, Bauer is weird - very weird BUT He is a Hell of a Pitcher. I personally like him a lot because he is Colorful. Baseball is great because of the Craziness. Love it!
He's been a locker room cancer with every team he played for. He's free to sign, no one wants him. Baseball teams and their ACTUAL fans know this. S*** posters who cheer on Domestic Abusers, don't.
after being the world series mvp ray knight couldnt get a contract. think he retired
Excellent list, you probably could’ve done a whole list of yankee scandals
24:21 -- Baseball's "I did NOT...have...sexual...relations..." moment!