@@artistwithouttalent True that. I suppose that could apply to sex, too... if having some pleasure and intimacy is a sin, then, that's a price I'll pay.
Jeff starts out as a nice kid who's biggest problem is that his mom is a shrill, domineering harpy. Has she perhaps thought of getting him some headphones? Or simply asking nicely to enjoy his music at a lower volume (instead of barging into his room screaming about that garbage he listens to?). It seems Jeff was a nice kid. He has a job, goes to youth group, has a nice girlfriend, doesn't abuse substances. Instead, he turns into a raving, dull-eyed religious fanatic who alienates his friends in favor of his little cult. Really, the villain of this whole film is his mom. An out-of-touch shrew with no ability to relate to teenagers.
Yes, indeed, and her case isn't helped by slapping him across the face when he dares to accuse her of hypocrisy....This lady is a classic example of unstable and abusive parents, in the vein of the infamous "Mrs. White."
Maggie Koch referencing that famous phrase Carrie whites mom says to her before she goes to prom, his explosion at the church would be his equivalent of the pigs blood for Carrie
@@crimsondynamo615 Indeed, it was a good reference. In any other movie, that would be treated as the scene where our emotionally disturbed "hero" finally snaps and descends into madness.
@@policerthought5649 Not every rap artist preaches about cop killing, but you support those who are trigger-happy and don't mind murdering unarmed minorities. It baffles me how right-wing pro-cop minions like you overlook right-wing anti-government extremists but become alarmist with BLM and Antifa. There is such a thing called hate rock that's filled with racist, anti-police, and anti-semantic lyrics. It's ok for the right to cry free speech when they're persecuted, but it's ok to persecute others based on their words because they" pose a threat to society". You want an America where white is right and blue is justified, but people like you add more fuel to a flame of discord.
@@tashaem1 People like him think that the idiots who stormed the Capitol were charming, but you can't convince people like him of anything because I'll go from one ear out the other.
I'm always so impressed by Christians obsession with rock & roll, and yet Country music, which has a long history of glorifying alcoholism and domestic abuse is fine.
I love how he calls Rock Music "controlling" because it momentarily affect your emotions, while his personality, social life and basic morality is being destroyed by his religion.
I wish Brad would review the film "Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged", a film made by the religeous nuts who think Harry Potter is evil and should be banned. I would love to see Brad give that video the same treatment he gives this one and "Deception Of A Generation".
Have you ever heard of "Kids vs. Wizards", a 2004-released religious propaganda novel from Russia which is mostly against wizards and magic/fantasy franchize. The antagonists of the novel are "The Great Harry" and "Hermime" (it's not a typo, she is called Hermime in the novel), who are not only sisters and clones from Merlin, but also Harry is, in the book, a transsexual. I am not kidding. It was actually released. And their teacher is Gandalfus Trambldore. In 2016 it was adapted into a badly animated movie which was barely shown in the movie theaters. The movie is not a faithful adaptation of the novel, Happy Potter characters are not used in it but there are many references.
@@04279 can definitely tell it’s made by Russians because it includes everything they hate. The only way it could be even more russian is if the great Harry was not only Transexual, but also Ukrainian.
This movie is a very good ironic psychological drama due to the heavy poe's law. I like to think of it as a movie about how paranoia and religious fundamentalism turn this poor kid's taste in music into something evil which results in the destruction of his friendships with friends and family and the eventual breakdown of his psyche, which comes to a head at the end with his rant on rock music and what it means.
It turns out that the film's writer, Karen Martin (whose script actually originated as a creative writing assignment while attending the former Liberty Baptist College), actually had no knowledge of rock music prior to doing so, thus explaining why so many of the songs cited in Jeff's sermon appear to have been named simply b/c their titles sounded sinful (the best example being Santana's "Soul Sacrifice", which is actually an instrumental!).
Honestly that's not surprising. I've often times seen these fundamentalist scare mongers on TV or video and they talk about stuff that they literally have no knowledge of and base it only on the name or the image.
@@umachan9286 Also, the lyrics Jeff used for "One of These Nights" is talking about the singer's perfect woman, who can both satisfy his lustful desires ("the daughter of the Devil himself") and be sweet to him ("an angel in white").
To be fair, Rock in the 80s courted this controversy by actively using "Satanic Imagery" in their marketing and promotional material. They understood that there's nothing that catches the attention of a teenager with disposable income like something that upsets their mom. Really, it was stupid of them to get upset, because it was accomplished exactly what the rock artists at the time wanted. I'm willing to bet that if parents HADN'T got all upset over it, some of those rock bands wouldn't have been nearly as popular because they were trading on the image instead of on talent.
The Misfits are all devote Roman Catholics (except for Danzig of course) Jerry Only, a founding member of The misfits, understands that their songs are only B horror films
For example: Just like his tracts, this film targets an audience that doesn't exist and features a mentor character with the same views/opinions as the writer(s) and teaches some sheltered, gullible youth that a certain popular thing is evil: Dungeons and Dragons, rock music, Halloween, etc.
The scary part is, an audience for this propaganda DOES exist. I met a lot of folks like that back when I was a christian. My church was pretty liberal, but when I would go to church functions with friends and met a more funda-mental-ist crowd, I saw some scary stuff. When people let their religion control them like this, it's frightening.
Jeff reminds me of my old school friend Mark . The attitude is the exact same . He is a preacher now. He lives in Texas with his wife and gets paid well to preach fire and brimstone , and act like he is such a good Christian . He , just like so many other " Good Christians " that I have met are nothing but hypocrites !! I have met a few Christians who were really nice , and WERE good Christians . But , if I were God , I would NOT want these hypocrites , liars , and just plain evil people to represent ME .
Good words. I remember a sketch of German satiric Oliver Kalkofe, who was showing a stupid clip from a religious sekt on his show in which a woman was singing a praise song to Jesus to the tune of the German Rock-popsong "Weiß der Geier" by Wolfgang Petry (the video was taken down due to unauthorized usage of the tune by Petry's manager and songwriter). Afterwards he was parodying the clip and was playing both characters, the woman and Jesus himself. As the woman he said that they want to use the devil's tool "Rock music" to take you in the ring of young believers but gets interrupted by Kalkofe portrying Jesus saying: "Stop with your brainwash crap. Let the people believe whatever they want. The main thing is that they enjoy their life, don't go on people's nerves and are nice to each other." After she disagrees he sends a lightning up her ass (or something) and says "Why can I heal lame and blind people but not stupid people?"
Sure there are good Christians out there that actually walk the walk and talk the talk. But too often they're some of the most hateful people out there that are only kind and good to those that belong to their particular sect of Christianity. I'm always reminded of a bit done by Emo Phillips on this. "Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."
Those fire and brimstone preachers talk a good game but, are full of crud. Like some black preachers who hate Tyler Perry, and don't get me wrong, I hate him too, but they're jealous because of the money he's making.
I’m sure Jeff flipped his shit when he heard either Argent or KISS sing _God Gave Rock ‘n Roll to You_ although given the time period with that whole 10 year skip, it would have been the angelic voices of *Wyld Stallyns!!!*
If the writers of this piece are outraged over the squeaky clean Captain & Tennille, they'd have a heart attack if they ever came across the heavy metal acts that would become prominent a few years later like Ozzy Osbourne or Slayer.
Not to mention that the writer of this movie wasn't even aware that Christian rock acts like Larry Norman, Phil Keaggy and the band Petra were around the time this movie was made. And this was a few years before bands like Stryper bought strictly religious Christian themes to heavy metal, and decades before bands like Skillet even appeared.
@@aussieman3021 oh some hardcore fundamentalists absolutely hate Christian rock more than mainstream listeners. They say they’re also tools of “devils rock and roll” doing a kind of wolf in sheeps clothing kind of thing.
I feel like either Jeff would have ended up being unhappily married and constantly drinking or he would have ended up as one of those youth pastors who end up on the 11PM news for all the wrong reasons.
No joke he probably becomes a violent radical after this. Just look at that ending; yelling about how gay people are bad and violently smashing art that might have even tangential relation to them. I looked up the full ending and happy music even plays right after that part. At best he'll end up divorced and rightfully jailed after beating his wife and children for stepping "out of line", and at worst he's gonna commit hate crimes.
@@spaceboomer564 There was always an anti gay sentiment in churches like that I don't think he would have become radical like that. Definitely unhappy with his life, constantly drinking, and probably abusive. But who knows you might be right and years later he would end up as one of those people that the FBI raided for bombing a clinic.
The way he was pissed off at the end reminded me of the way Homer Simpson was pissed off when Mr. Burns sent a letter to his family thanking everyone but him where his pupils narrow and he said "kids, would you step outside?". He went from snarking on the film to barely contained rage and a "screw this, I'm outta here" kind of ending.
I wanna get in on it too. "Another one bites the dust." Yeah, probably after they get sniped. (Ok, that actually happens in the song) "Beat it" Aha! More mastrubation! "Rock you like a hurricane" Damn, hurricanes are no joke. "Hungry like the Wolf" For what? Pigs or red hooded 6 year olds? "You give love a bad name" Hey, don't be anti-love, man! "Summer of 69" Directly named after a lewd position! (Disclaimer, it really means Summer of 1969.) "Living on a prayer" ... Wait, I thought rock and roll was the antithesis of prayer.
It's ironic the first time Brad reviewed a religious propaganda film he was surprised that he felt that movies like this were being made as recently as the 80's The creators of PureFlix must have seen this and said 'Hold my Communion Wine'
If I was in that church when Jeff started blabbing on about how rock music is evil, I would walk over and see what albums he had and ask him "If your not going to listen to any of these again I'll give you $25 for the whole lot of them"
lol the rock music in this video back then is so vanilla compared to death metal and grindcore of present day. Hopefully the makers of this video heard a track from someone like Napalm Death and their heads exploded.
Being an occultist, the fundies constant bullshit about "worldly" music all having occult content is extra amusing to me. Outside of some Bowie tracks (the best occult rock, in my opinion, cause Bowie), theres not much from anyone they'd even be remotely aware of.
Now we present Dancing with Demons: The Movie (An anti-Rock and Roll book by Jeff Godwin, a friend of Jack Chick's who claimed to be at the 1979 Who Concert stampede which was the fault of stadium seating not rock and roll music) Oh the nonspecific Good Time song must be unholy, it sounds like Grand Funk!😱 The Devils and Demons song now that's catchy. I am ashamed that because my sister watched Days at the time, I know exactly who Kayla, Patch, Nick the Pimp, and Eve (the girl with Nick) are. Actually at the time there was enough of an audience to make a religious propoganda anti-Rock film. That Dancing with the Demons book I mentioned and it's sequel were published about this same time. Also, this would have come about the same time as the Satanic Panic began and they started cracking down on Halloween. So yes unfortunately, these scare tactics were used around this time. 5:49 Being a Wiccan and having just read Gerald Gardner's 161 Rules for his coven and knowing how many of my fellow Wiccans, myself included, have thrown out a good majority of those rules, I am all for a spiritual and religious path that openly admits," Hey we weren't always right. Times change and we have to change with them. So yes our words often do change. Follow some, all, or none of these rules. Change whatever you like. It doesn't make you any less of a Wiccan or Witch. Whatever works for you." Jeff read a book that told him to think that way... .Jeff: Take a look at these books Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf. They're really interesting what they say about Jews... Should I tell Jeff that I had a metal KISS lunchbox when I was six or not? (I thought the makeup looked cool. I think that I thought they were clowns) We still have a record store in St. Louis called Vintage Vinyl. It's still a favorite. There also was one in walking distance of my apartment in Indianapolis. I used to love browsing through there. "It's weird being controlled like that."...I want your narrow form of Christianity to control me Oh no, I figured it out. Jeff is the young Clay Walsh! Seeing Jeff being an asshole at the party, I haven't been this enraged at a Christian confronting his so-called heathen friends since Clay fake-defended and mansplained at the stripper! Thank you, Mom!👏✊👍Hit him again for us! Jeff would totally believe the Urban Legend about Hotel California being about the Church of Satan (It's not. It's a metaphor about the West Coast Music Industry and the trappings of fame) "They were swaying, dancing, and jumping to the beat!"... That's terrible and then at the end of the concert, those crazed weirdoes stood up and started banging their hands together! Well I think Captain and Tenniel are terrible, but not for the same reason that Jeff does. Oh I want to play too! "I Can Only Imagine" Imagination? Not acknowledging the reality of God! Not to mention you heard Gary wnr Phil about how people shouldn't use their imagination! "Mary, Did You Know!" Asking a woman her opinion? "Silent Night" Not acknowledging that God exists during the Noisy Day too! And night and when Satan's demons come out! "Awesome God!" Ugh, God's first name isn't Awesome! Hey, Jeff isn't listening to the lyrics either. I thought everyone played the game this way. Brad's speech about Jeff's homophobia is awesome! Total Mic drop! 🎤 Rock: It's Your Decision. To quote MST3K: Sidehackers "You're right, it is my decision. I still don't want to."
That being deeply connected to one's own music comment is possibly the Darkest Kettle to ever call a charcoal colored pot black moment I have ever bared witness to.
Jeff would try to find a reason to make people hate Journey. He would probably say that "Faithfully" is a misleading title that sounds like it should be about Faith in God and not about being Faithful to your loved one and missing them while on the road.
Jeff might have ended up growing up to be similar to a member of the Westboro Baptist Church and believes God hates rock music. Jeff perhaps grew up to be one of those infamous religious pastors like the late Jerry Falwell.
I actually watched this movie on TH-cam for some other purpose. The movie was produced by four different churches in Northern Alabama. I tried to get a screen grab of those churches in the title, but I got a notice saying "Video blocked in your country." That makes no sense. Alabama is still part of the United States, so what country is this playing in?
Jeff: Give me 10 reason to listen to rock. 1. Cause I fuckin want to 2. I’m going through the entirety of Black Sabbath 3. Cause it’s awesome 4. I use it as a reference to help me play an instrument 5. Makes sex better. oh you wouldn’t know about that Jeff. 6. Some of the most influential music ever created was from the blues, and the fact that Rock was adapted to it is so fascinating that I’m honored to be listening. 7. Smoking Weed and Dio is the Best thing Ever. 8. AC/DC and Atari seem to blend really well together. 9. Some of the coolest, nicest and Realist people I met is from listening to bands like Led Zeppelin, to Judas Priest. 10. Oh yea because fuck you I can listen to whatever the hell I want.
He hasn't re-uploaded this one to his channel and I have no idea why. It's back from when he still had hair and when he was still kinda fat. I miss that version of him, I really do!
He did write one tract where this rock band sold their souls to the devil for fame and fortune. It ended with the front man repenting and giving himself to Jesus after reading a Chick tract a female fan gave him.
That was always my "go to" response when someone criticised me for listening to secular rock music--"when you give up watching your secular movies and TV shows with foul language and violence---I'll give up my secular rock music!"
My Favorite Bands and Singers Nightwish Sabaton Rob Zombie Lordi Within Temptation Alestorm Brothers of Metal Rhapsody of Fire Sonata Arctica Ghoultown Einserfium (and numerous other non-metal/fanatasy/gothic rock bands)
*I HOPE THAT BRAD JONES WOULD'VE STILL CALLED JEFF OUT FOR BEING ''HOMOPHOBIC'' IF HE WAS A RADICAL MUSLIM, BECAUSE I'M SICK AND TIRED OF MUSLIMS GETTING A FREE-PASS FOR EVERYTHING!*
To be fair I cannot stand Jeff's mother in this movie! She is nothing but a nagging harpy! I also feel that it was her and the youth pastor's fault for ruining Jeff!
“Well at least hell will have lots of rock music. Ah crap it’s probably all Nickleback.” *emboldened Nickleback loving lesbian floats half an inch off the ground*
And my new headcanon is that Jeff's cult grows to be so big that he renames himself to "Dr. Everett Righteous", and this all leads to the beginning of Styx' "Kilroy Was Here."
8:14 “But all he does is change the topic to how bad it is that kids listen to KISS.” I mean if he’s listening to their terrible ‘survive the disco radio years’ stuff I guess he’s right.
Okay, I've been trying to find this out for ages (not very hard, but still): does anyone know what that song is that's playing at 9:53? I don't want to have to actually watch this damn thing to see if they credit the musicians ...
"Two kids got saved." Really? And you know this how? Last I checked, that wasn't your call. But it does illustrate that for a significant fraction of America's population, the only question that really matters is, "Are you saved?" You could be talking about Albert Einstein, and say, "Albert Einstein was a brilliant physicist whose ideas form the basis of modern physics," and they'd be like, "Yes, but WAS HE SAVED? HMMM?"
@@jonahkey7406 My point concerned the absolute tunnel vision of these people, that this is ALL they care about. Plus, they have no way of knowing if it's really true or not, since a) in the case of living people, like the kids Jeff is talking about, there's always the possibility that they might reject God some time in the future, so it's not a sure thing until they're dead, and b) even in the case of a dead person, they have no way of knowing if that person truly accepted God in their heart, because they're not God. It's another example of religious people stating things as facts that they can't possibly know.
I hate that for the last decade, we have to preface everything. In this case, Brad has to open things up by saying that he's not bashing religion and the people who made this propaganda film don't speak for their religion. As someone raised evangelical, they absolutely do. Not all of it. There are decent people in every faith, and there are garbage people. But they both have to own the religion they chose. The people who emphasize do undo others and the people who say all rock music is of the devil and hate gay people are both equally christian and don't get to say that the other side of that same coin isn't affiliated with the faith. You can do amazing things with faith and horrible things. But you can't pretend one side doesn't exist or doesn't speak at all for the religion. If you say you're christian or muslim or buddhist or Sikh, you're that faith. Every person of faith cherry picks the part of their religion that they like and don't like. A lot of christians hate gay people but eat shellfish. They're just as christian as the people who do the opposite. People are individuals and should be approached as such.
I don't exactly see one side or the other and not coming from a religious background I don't have an opinion.I guess I can understand when someone who's religious says certain things are bad when they find but sometimes it can have to do with either how one interprets something or even how literally they take this stuff.R&R and various other forms of secular music have been around for a long time and those who look at it so badly are for the most part in the minority.Some songs it maybe understandable why some may have concerns but others you gotta wonder what the fuss is.As for Jeff while he's entitled to how he feels but I think he handled some of it poorly by becoming enraged at the party.
"10 years after this takes place Jeff probably hung himself." I prefer to imagine that he came out and told the 1st Baptist Church of Shitsville to eff off.
"Rock- It's Your Decision"
Unless you choose differently than us.
"In which case, we will condemn you to flames and eternal torment! Have fun with that!"
@@Feltzer342 "Because as Christians we're all about loving one another!"
@@peterkrug4124 "Which is ironic since we sometimes ostracize people who don't worship what we do!"
@@Feltzer342 If they condemn people to hell for their taste in music, Hell really ain't a bad place to be.
@@artistwithouttalent True that. I suppose that could apply to sex, too... if having some pleasure and intimacy is a sin, then, that's a price I'll pay.
It's sad that this entire thing could've been solved with a pair of headphones
Jeff starts out as a nice kid who's biggest problem is that his mom is a shrill, domineering harpy. Has she perhaps thought of getting him some headphones? Or simply asking nicely to enjoy his music at a lower volume (instead of barging into his room screaming about that garbage he listens to?). It seems Jeff was a nice kid. He has a job, goes to youth group, has a nice girlfriend, doesn't abuse substances. Instead, he turns into a raving, dull-eyed religious fanatic who alienates his friends in favor of his little cult. Really, the villain of this whole film is his mom. An out-of-touch shrew with no ability to relate to teenagers.
Yes, indeed, and her case isn't helped by slapping him across the face when he dares to accuse her of hypocrisy....This lady is a classic example of unstable and abusive parents, in the vein of the infamous "Mrs. White."
Maggie Koch “they’re all going to laugh at you Jeff!”
@@crimsondynamo615 I wouldn't doubt it, but there's nothing funny about Jeff's falling apart.
Maggie Koch referencing that famous phrase Carrie whites mom says to her before she goes to prom, his explosion at the church would be his equivalent of the pigs blood for Carrie
@@crimsondynamo615 Indeed, it was a good reference. In any other movie, that would be treated as the scene where our emotionally disturbed "hero" finally snaps and descends into madness.
I could imagine a 90s version called "Rap It's Your Decision."
I don’t recall many rock songs preaching about killing cops.
@@policerthought5649 Not every rap artist preaches about cop killing, but you support those who are trigger-happy and don't mind murdering unarmed minorities. It baffles me how right-wing pro-cop minions like you overlook right-wing anti-government extremists but become alarmist with BLM and Antifa. There is such a thing called hate rock that's filled with racist, anti-police, and anti-semantic lyrics. It's ok for the right to cry free speech when they're persecuted, but it's ok to persecute others based on their words because they" pose a threat to society". You want an America where white is right and blue is justified, but people like you add more fuel to a flame of discord.
@@policerthought5649 Cop Killer is literally a rap-rock hybrid song.
@@tashaem1 People like him think that the idiots who stormed the Capitol were charming, but you can't convince people like him of anything because I'll go from one ear out the other.
And they filmed it on a RCA VCR Camcorder
I'm always so impressed by Christians obsession with rock & roll, and yet Country music, which has a long history of glorifying alcoholism and domestic abuse is fine.
Absolutely
Yep
Country also has praise Jesus moments, so they ignore it. Helps also most country is southern and a majority of the heavily religious is in the south.
Don't forget that country music still loves the Confederacy.
@@crimsondynamo615 But what has happened since that idiot porn came out; Christian rock, hip-hop, and pop. Despite that, they still demonize it.
I love how he calls Rock Music "controlling" because it momentarily affect your emotions, while his personality, social life and basic morality is being destroyed by his religion.
yes
Any type of music makes you happy or sad etc not just rock and roll.
I wish Brad would review the film "Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged", a film made by the religeous nuts who think Harry Potter is evil and should be banned. I would love to see Brad give that video the same treatment he gives this one and "Deception Of A Generation".
I still have that tape for some weird ass reason. it was funny.
That existed? Considering we all have the movie adaptations of the HP books, I guess everyone ignored that BS of that film.
Have you ever heard of "Kids vs. Wizards", a 2004-released religious propaganda novel from Russia which is mostly against wizards and magic/fantasy franchize. The antagonists of the novel are "The Great Harry" and "Hermime" (it's not a typo, she is called Hermime in the novel), who are not only sisters and clones from Merlin, but also Harry is, in the book, a transsexual. I am not kidding. It was actually released. And their teacher is Gandalfus Trambldore. In 2016 it was adapted into a badly animated movie which was barely shown in the movie theaters. The movie is not a faithful adaptation of the novel, Happy Potter characters are not used in it but there are many references.
@@04279 can definitely tell it’s made by Russians because it includes everything they hate. The only way it could be even more russian is if the great Harry was not only Transexual, but also Ukrainian.
Fantasy and imagination are a sin to the fundamentalists.
This movie is a very good ironic psychological drama due to the heavy poe's law. I like to think of it as a movie about how paranoia and religious fundamentalism turn this poor kid's taste in music into something evil which results in the destruction of his friendships with friends and family and the eventual breakdown of his psyche, which comes to a head at the end with his rant on rock music and what it means.
Movie: "God's word never changes"
Me: **laughs in several translations/rewrites/editions** (JKV, NJV, NIV, MEV, etc, etc)
Your cat appearing in frame was timed perfectly with your smile at the end. Was that in the kitty's script?
It was written for the cat to stay out of sight
*This isnt the snobs channel. Read the description.*
It turns out that the film's writer, Karen Martin (whose script actually originated as a creative writing assignment while attending the former Liberty Baptist College), actually had no knowledge of rock music prior to doing so, thus explaining why so many of the songs cited in Jeff's sermon appear to have been named simply b/c their titles sounded sinful (the best example being Santana's "Soul Sacrifice", which is actually an instrumental!).
Honestly that's not surprising. I've often times seen these fundamentalist scare mongers on TV or video and they talk about stuff that they literally have no knowledge of and base it only on the name or the image.
@@umachan9286
Also, the lyrics Jeff used for "One of These Nights" is talking about the singer's perfect woman, who can both satisfy his lustful desires ("the daughter of the Devil himself") and be sweet to him ("an angel in white").
Of course this movie was written by a lady named Karen.
Oh hey, the writers' name is Karen? What a surprise.
It’s amazing how much shit they try to push, but don’t know anything about the subject they’re shitting on.
To be fair, Rock in the 80s courted this controversy by actively using "Satanic Imagery" in their marketing and promotional material. They understood that there's nothing that catches the attention of a teenager with disposable income like something that upsets their mom.
Really, it was stupid of them to get upset, because it was accomplished exactly what the rock artists at the time wanted. I'm willing to bet that if parents HADN'T got all upset over it, some of those rock bands wouldn't have been nearly as popular because they were trading on the image instead of on talent.
It's weaponizing the Streisand Effect. Very effective when it comes to the easily-offended and non-introspective.
You didn't need a disposable income to buy music. It's not like they were buying a luxury car
@@doctorfeinstone6524 It depends on the record store.
The Misfits are all devote Roman Catholics (except for Danzig of course)
Jerry Only, a founding member of The misfits, understands that their songs are only B horror films
I'm not against religion, but I am against this movie. It's bad enough to make even the most up-tight religious figures groan in disapproval.
Or even worse, go "That's what we need today!" Deep pained groan.
For example: Just like his tracts, this film targets an audience that doesn't exist and features a mentor character with the same views/opinions as the writer(s) and teaches some sheltered, gullible youth that a certain popular thing is evil: Dungeons and Dragons, rock music, Halloween, etc.
The scary part is, an audience for this propaganda DOES exist. I met a lot of folks like that back when I was a christian. My church was pretty liberal, but when I would go to church functions with friends and met a more funda-mental-ist crowd, I saw some scary stuff. When people let their religion control them like this, it's frightening.
Being gullible has been the norm because it doesn't take much for anyone to believe anything.
Jeff reminds me of my old school friend Mark . The attitude is the exact same . He is a preacher now. He lives in Texas with his wife and gets paid well to preach fire and brimstone , and act like he is such a good Christian . He , just like so many other " Good Christians " that I have met are nothing but hypocrites !! I have met a few Christians who were really nice , and WERE good Christians . But , if I were God , I would NOT want these hypocrites , liars , and just plain evil people to represent ME .
Good words. I remember a sketch of German satiric Oliver Kalkofe, who was showing a stupid clip from a religious sekt on his show in which a woman was singing a praise song to Jesus to the tune of the German Rock-popsong "Weiß der Geier" by Wolfgang Petry (the video was taken down due to unauthorized usage of the tune by Petry's manager and songwriter). Afterwards he was parodying the clip and was playing both characters, the woman and Jesus himself. As the woman he said that they want to use the devil's tool "Rock music" to take you in the ring of young believers but gets interrupted by Kalkofe portrying Jesus saying: "Stop with your brainwash crap. Let the people believe whatever they want. The main thing is that they enjoy their life, don't go on people's nerves and are nice to each other." After she disagrees he sends a lightning up her ass (or something) and says "Why can I heal lame and blind people but not stupid people?"
Sure there are good Christians out there that actually walk the walk and talk the talk. But too often they're some of the most hateful people out there that are only kind and good to those that belong to their particular sect of Christianity. I'm always reminded of a bit done by Emo Phillips on this.
"Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."
Uma Chan jesus so many subcategories
Maybe he needs to reread Matthew 6:5-8.
Those fire and brimstone preachers talk a good game but, are full of crud. Like some black preachers who hate Tyler Perry, and don't get me wrong, I hate him too, but they're jealous because of the money he's making.
If this film was suppose to make me not listen to Rock anymore, it failed miserably. It actually made me appreciate my taste in music immensely.
Don't worry. As a Christian I would to acknowledge that rock and roll gospel started in the 70s
I’m sure Jeff flipped his shit when he heard either Argent or KISS sing _God Gave Rock ‘n Roll to You_ although given the time period with that whole 10 year skip, it would have been the angelic voices of *Wyld Stallyns!!!*
If the writers of this piece are outraged over the squeaky clean Captain & Tennille, they'd have a heart attack if they ever came across the heavy metal acts that would become prominent a few years later like Ozzy Osbourne or Slayer.
Not to mention that the writer of this movie wasn't even aware that Christian rock acts like Larry Norman, Phil Keaggy and the band Petra were around the time this movie was made. And this was a few years before bands like Stryper bought strictly religious Christian themes to heavy metal, and decades before bands like Skillet even appeared.
I'm still wondering why they didn't bring up Hotel California. They mentioned the Eagles, the song was out when the movie was made
@@aussieman3021 oh some hardcore fundamentalists absolutely hate Christian rock more than mainstream listeners. They say they’re also tools of “devils rock and roll” doing a kind of wolf in sheeps clothing kind of thing.
I've heard the greek myth of The religious fanatic king who got turned into the first werewolf. Jeff will soon end up like him.
Makes about as much sense as what the religious people in this film say.
7:29
yeah even with the black tape it's clearly a Lynard Skynard album
I feel like either Jeff would have ended up being unhappily married and constantly drinking or he would have ended up as one of those youth pastors who end up on the 11PM news for all the wrong reasons.
No joke he probably becomes a violent radical after this. Just look at that ending; yelling about how gay people are bad and violently smashing art that might have even tangential relation to them.
I looked up the full ending and happy music even plays right after that part.
At best he'll end up divorced and rightfully jailed after beating his wife and children for stepping "out of line", and at worst he's gonna commit hate crimes.
@@spaceboomer564 There was always an anti gay sentiment in churches like that I don't think he would have become radical like that. Definitely unhappy with his life, constantly drinking, and probably abusive. But who knows you might be right and years later he would end up as one of those people that the FBI raided for bombing a clinic.
Jeff definitely grew up to be clay from old fashioned
@@crimsondynamo615 That makes perfect sense. They're the same breed of creepy, unstable fanatic.
The way he was pissed off at the end reminded me of the way Homer Simpson was pissed off when Mr. Burns sent a letter to his family thanking everyone but him where his pupils narrow and he said "kids, would you step outside?". He went from snarking on the film to barely contained rage and a "screw this, I'm outta here" kind of ending.
I wanna get in on it too.
"Another one bites the dust." Yeah, probably after they get sniped. (Ok, that actually happens in the song)
"Beat it" Aha! More mastrubation!
"Rock you like a hurricane" Damn, hurricanes are no joke.
"Hungry like the Wolf" For what? Pigs or red hooded 6 year olds?
"You give love a bad name" Hey, don't be anti-love, man!
"Summer of 69" Directly named after a lewd position! (Disclaimer, it really means Summer of 1969.)
"Living on a prayer" ... Wait, I thought rock and roll was the antithesis of prayer.
It's ironic the first time Brad reviewed a religious propaganda film he was surprised that he felt that movies like this were being made as recently as the 80's
The creators of PureFlix must have seen this and said 'Hold my Communion Wine'
If I was in that church when Jeff started blabbing on about how rock music is evil, I would walk over and see what albums he had and ask him "If your not going to listen to any of these again I'll give you $25 for the whole lot of them"
25 bucks? That would buy you a house in the 80s!
@@53subscribersnovideos35 *Albums costs were a fuckload in the 80's. I remember paying 30 bucks for ONE cassete.*
@@Djeispark Wow. Now you can buy four for a dollar.
@@53subscribersnovideos35 Lady, if that were true, I would've bought a house back then.
lol the rock music in this video back then is so vanilla compared to death metal and grindcore of present day. Hopefully the makers of this video heard a track from someone like Napalm Death and their heads exploded.
"Weak Fantasy" and an entire album written based on the writings of a professional antitheist.
Doom Metal would kill them, quick someone play Bewitched
Being an occultist, the fundies constant bullshit about "worldly" music all having occult content is extra amusing to me. Outside of some Bowie tracks (the best occult rock, in my opinion, cause Bowie), theres not much from anyone they'd even be remotely aware of.
Now we present Dancing with Demons: The Movie (An anti-Rock and Roll book by Jeff Godwin, a friend of Jack Chick's who claimed to be at the 1979 Who Concert stampede which was the fault of stadium seating not rock and roll music)
Oh the nonspecific Good Time song must be unholy, it sounds like Grand Funk!😱 The Devils and Demons song now that's catchy.
I am ashamed that because my sister watched Days at the time, I know exactly who Kayla, Patch, Nick the Pimp, and Eve (the girl with Nick) are.
Actually at the time there was enough of an audience to make a religious propoganda anti-Rock film. That Dancing with the Demons book I mentioned and it's sequel were published about this same time. Also, this would have come about the same time as the Satanic Panic began and they started cracking down on Halloween. So yes unfortunately, these scare tactics were used around this time.
5:49 Being a Wiccan and having just read Gerald Gardner's 161 Rules for his coven and knowing how many of my fellow Wiccans, myself included, have thrown out a good majority of those rules, I am all for a spiritual and religious path that openly admits," Hey we weren't always right. Times change and we have to change with them. So yes our words often do change. Follow some, all, or none of these rules. Change whatever you like. It doesn't make you any less of a Wiccan or Witch. Whatever works for you."
Jeff read a book that told him to think that way...
.Jeff: Take a look at these books Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf. They're really interesting what they say about Jews...
Should I tell Jeff that I had a metal KISS lunchbox when I was six or not? (I thought the makeup looked cool. I think that I thought they were clowns)
We still have a record store in St. Louis called Vintage Vinyl. It's still a favorite. There also was one in walking distance of my apartment in Indianapolis. I used to love browsing through there.
"It's weird being controlled like that."...I want your narrow form of Christianity to control me
Oh no, I figured it out. Jeff is the young Clay Walsh! Seeing Jeff being an asshole at the party, I haven't been this enraged at a Christian confronting his so-called heathen friends since Clay fake-defended and mansplained at the stripper!
Thank you, Mom!👏✊👍Hit him again for us!
Jeff would totally believe the Urban Legend about Hotel California being about the Church of Satan (It's not. It's a metaphor about the West Coast Music Industry and the trappings of fame)
"They were swaying, dancing, and jumping to the beat!"... That's terrible and then at the end of the concert, those crazed weirdoes stood up and started banging their hands together!
Well I think Captain and Tenniel are terrible, but not for the same reason that Jeff does.
Oh I want to play too! "I Can Only Imagine" Imagination? Not acknowledging the reality of God! Not to mention you heard Gary wnr Phil about how people shouldn't use their imagination!
"Mary, Did You Know!" Asking a woman her opinion?
"Silent Night" Not acknowledging that God exists during the Noisy Day too! And night and when Satan's demons come out!
"Awesome God!" Ugh, God's first name isn't Awesome!
Hey, Jeff isn't listening to the lyrics either. I thought everyone played the game this way.
Brad's speech about Jeff's homophobia is awesome! Total Mic drop! 🎤
Rock: It's Your Decision. To quote MST3K: Sidehackers "You're right, it is my decision. I still don't want to."
That being deeply connected to one's own music comment is possibly the Darkest Kettle to ever call a charcoal colored pot black moment I have ever bared witness to.
*beep* this short film, and everything it stand for, and I say this as a Chalolic whose mom is a big Bruce Springsteen fan.
15:53 I love how it looks like the audience is giving Jeff looks of utter distain which is what he deserves
Jeff would try to find a reason to make people hate Journey. He would probably say that "Faithfully" is a misleading title that sounds like it should be about Faith in God and not about being Faithful to your loved one and missing them while on the road.
I graduated HS in 1983 and spent my formative years in a fundamental church. I'm amazed that they missed this.
Jeff might have ended up growing up to be similar to a member of the Westboro Baptist Church and believes God hates rock music. Jeff perhaps grew up to be one of those infamous religious pastors like the late Jerry Falwell.
It's a kitty! :)
4:08 It's alright, Genesis was still good, plus we got Peter Gabriel's solo work in addition to it. Jesus would want it that way.
I love Genesis the rock group and Genesis the retro gaming console! 😂
"A really good get down beat"........I don't know what it did to me, but I'm an atheist now.
I actually watched this movie on TH-cam for some other purpose. The movie was produced by four different churches in Northern Alabama. I tried to get a screen grab of those churches in the title, but I got a notice saying "Video blocked in your country." That makes no sense. Alabama is still part of the United States, so what country is this playing in?
The origin story of Jerry Falwell
Who?
Jeff: Give me 10 reason to listen to rock.
1. Cause I fuckin want to
2. I’m going through the entirety of Black Sabbath
3. Cause it’s awesome
4. I use it as a reference to help me play an instrument
5. Makes sex better. oh you wouldn’t know about that Jeff.
6. Some of the most influential music ever created was from the blues, and the fact that Rock was adapted to it is so fascinating that I’m honored to be listening.
7. Smoking Weed and Dio is the Best thing Ever.
8. AC/DC and Atari seem to blend really well together.
9. Some of the coolest, nicest and Realist people I met is from listening to bands like Led Zeppelin, to Judas Priest.
10. Oh yea because fuck you I can listen to whatever the hell I want.
He hasn't re-uploaded this one to his channel and I have no idea why. It's back from when he still had hair and when he was still kinda fat. I miss that version of him, I really do!
i bet jeff is gonna be like one of thoes crazy people that yell at kids listening to justin Bieber
I'm not convinced with Jeff's"decision" at the end. Still looks conflicted. So yeah I bet he probably killed himself.
Or he could've pulled a Chapman and ended up in prison.
Wouldn't surprise me if Jack Chick wrote this lol It's just like one of his tracts.
just replace rock music with roleplay and we get Dark Dungeons
Well... apparently it's written by someone actually named Karen. How fitting as it is a lot of whining.
He did write one tract where this rock band sold their souls to the devil for fame and fortune. It ended with the front man repenting and giving himself to Jesus after reading a Chick tract a female fan gave him.
Jeff seems like the kind of person who thinks that Joshua feurstein makes valid arguments
Who?
8:18 I love Jeff’s delivery here. The extra emphasis on “twelve” makes it sound like he’s talking about suicide or murder rates😂
Of course The Captain And Tenille is sinful! They sang a song about Muskrats getting it on!
That was always my "go to" response when someone criticised me for listening to secular rock music--"when you give up watching your secular movies and TV shows with foul language and violence---I'll give up my secular rock music!"
My Favorite Bands and Singers
Nightwish
Sabaton
Rob Zombie
Lordi
Within Temptation
Alestorm
Brothers of Metal
Rhapsody of Fire
Sonata Arctica
Ghoultown
Einserfium
(and numerous other non-metal/fanatasy/gothic rock bands)
I like 6 of those bands
I love Sabaton too
He either hung himself ten years later, or came outta the closet haha
*I HOPE THAT BRAD JONES WOULD'VE STILL CALLED JEFF OUT FOR BEING ''HOMOPHOBIC'' IF HE WAS A RADICAL MUSLIM, BECAUSE I'M SICK AND TIRED OF MUSLIMS GETTING A FREE-PASS FOR EVERYTHING!*
One thing about this movie is that it was not aware of the existence of Christian rock acts of the time like Larry Norman, Phil Keaggy and Petra.
There was a chick I used to be friends with who thought a song about fighting against the devil was evil 😅
One would think Christian’s would like songs like that or Doom because you’re killing demons, but they think it’s the opposite.
Just watched the latest Cinema Snob episode, he’s gonna give this film the proper snob treatment
I know I can't wait. I still wonder if this would count to get riffed by a certain sarcastic Canadian who looks like Dexter
I feel this one was funnier
@@GHOST-zy3ji politely disagree
To be fair I cannot stand Jeff's mother in this movie! She is nothing but a nagging harpy! I also feel that it was her and the youth pastor's fault for ruining Jeff!
Pretty sure the people who made this film would think steely Dan is too extreme
Brother Jim Owen is/was apparently an acting coach and is still acting in films today. He was in I, Tonya
If this takes place in Alabama, they why is there no super-thick Southern accents to be found?
During that party I wish they had thrown on Beck's Amazing Grace. Let's see if they have a problem with that song.
I'm pretty sure the song with the "Devils and Demons" line doesn't really exist, LOL.
“Well at least hell will have lots of rock music. Ah crap it’s probably all Nickleback.” *emboldened Nickleback loving lesbian floats half an inch off the ground*
Hey, I went to a school that fully believed all the garbage in this movie
Batman must have loved this movie.
And my new headcanon is that Jeff's cult grows to be so big that he renames himself to "Dr. Everett Righteous", and this all leads to the beginning of Styx' "Kilroy Was Here."
Screw your birthday rock concert My feelings are more important
Ohhh...I loved Patch and Kayla and Nick the Pimp, too.
10:09 I like Brad’s words of wisdom here. He’s right about this.
I'm Eastern Orthodox and I hate this judgement puritan crap. This redhead in the movie doesn't act like a Christian
8:14 “But all he does is change the topic to how bad it is that kids listen to KISS.”
I mean if he’s listening to their terrible ‘survive the disco radio years’ stuff I guess he’s right.
Hey I love "I was made for loving you"
@@SuperSwordman1 same!
Huh, and Kirk Cameron wasn’t the star?
Okay, I've been trying to find this out for ages (not very hard, but still): does anyone know what that song is that's playing at 9:53? I don't want to have to actually watch this damn thing to see if they credit the musicians ...
If it's played in a movie like this it's not a real song. They would have to pay royalties, it's like stock footage
OH MY GOODNESS EVIL WOMAN JEZABEL THE LORD. I completely FORGOT Lloyd's excellent timing. Brad leave all the YT shit and start Babe 3- now.
16:06 Brad acts like Jeff is hilarious
"Two kids got saved." Really? And you know this how? Last I checked, that wasn't your call. But it does illustrate that for a significant fraction of America's population, the only question that really matters is, "Are you saved?" You could be talking about Albert Einstein, and say, "Albert Einstein was a brilliant physicist whose ideas form the basis of modern physics," and they'd be like, "Yes, but WAS HE SAVED? HMMM?"
Theoretically speaking, eternal fate of said person would be important.
@@jonahkey7406 My point concerned the absolute tunnel vision of these people, that this is ALL they care about. Plus, they have no way of knowing if it's really true or not, since a) in the case of living people, like the kids Jeff is talking about, there's always the possibility that they might reject God some time in the future, so it's not a sure thing until they're dead, and b) even in the case of a dead person, they have no way of knowing if that person truly accepted God in their heart, because they're not God. It's another example of religious people stating things as facts that they can't possibly know.
OMG! My hand shot up without even thinking.
I hate that for the last decade, we have to preface everything. In this case, Brad has to open things up by saying that he's not bashing religion and the people who made this propaganda film don't speak for their religion. As someone raised evangelical, they absolutely do. Not all of it. There are decent people in every faith, and there are garbage people. But they both have to own the religion they chose. The people who emphasize do undo others and the people who say all rock music is of the devil and hate gay people are both equally christian and don't get to say that the other side of that same coin isn't affiliated with the faith. You can do amazing things with faith and horrible things. But you can't pretend one side doesn't exist or doesn't speak at all for the religion. If you say you're christian or muslim or buddhist or Sikh, you're that faith. Every person of faith cherry picks the part of their religion that they like and don't like. A lot of christians hate gay people but eat shellfish. They're just as christian as the people who do the opposite. People are individuals and should be approached as such.
If he did hang himself, at least it had a happy ending.
I don't exactly see one side or the other and not coming from a religious background I don't have an opinion.I guess I can understand when someone who's religious says certain things are bad when they find but sometimes it can have to do with either how one interprets something or even how literally they take this stuff.R&R and various other forms of secular music have been around for a long time and those who look at it so badly are for the most part in the minority.Some songs it maybe understandable why some may have concerns but others you gotta wonder what the fuss is.As for Jeff while he's entitled to how he feels but I think he handled some of it poorly by becoming enraged at the party.
Wonderfully insane.
JESUS WAS A HIPPIE. HE WOULD’VE LIKED ROCK.
Cinema is probably my favorite TGWTG reviewer next to NC
Rick Dees reference.........Nice.
18:16 THAT CAT IS A FUCKING NINJA!
18:17 my head cannon is that Jeff was shot to death by the police after trying to blow up planned parenthood
Jeff would later grow up to be the guy from Voiceless
I choose pizza
5:47 uh brother Owen have you even read the Bible
"A song about an erection!" Lol
10:35 Thank you. Thank you.🙏 Not all Christians hate rock 'n roll.🎸🎶
This Jeff guy kind of reminds me of Clay Walsh from Old Fashioned. Their personalities are very similar.
The bible has people dancing a singing to music to glorify G-d
Days of Our Lives WAS awesome in the 80s.
i love Patch and Kayla,too!
I should hate this movie but I don't. I guess I should hate this review but I don't. What the hell is wrong with me?
I listen to rock music, and I have a good relationship with God.
Oh those crazy cooks lol
I just have a problem with the Eagles in general
Jesus Christ is King! Your knee WILL bow to him. Woe unto you scoffer!
Hell isn't all Nickelback; Hell is being forced to watch Justin Bieber perform with videos in the style of Creed.
"10 years after this takes place Jeff probably hung himself."
I prefer to imagine that he came out and told the 1st Baptist Church of Shitsville to eff off.
16:50 afterwards
Brad jones is piss