I traded on eBay for eight years buying, cleaning and repairing old manual focus lenses and selling them on. I tested all lenses on my Fujifilm X-Pro1. Here's my thoughts: Meyer-Optik Orestegon 29mm & Meyer-Optik Lydith 30mm - the quality of these is very variable. Although I have had the odd good one, even those have not been good enough to be worth keeping. Takumar 28mm - ALL Takumars are good. CZJ Flektogon 35mm - very, very sharp in the centre, but they need to be stopped down to f11 to get really sharp corners on APS-C sensors. Never had a Yashica 35mm - quite rare. MIR 1 37mm - lots of veiling flare that obscures any sharpness. Industar 50mm - very soft glass and its hard to find an unscratched one. Not a Tessar copy but a Leica Elmar clone. Helios 44-2 - soft glass again, but very good if unscratched. CZJ Tessar - again watch out for scratches. Somewhat variable in quality but good ones are very sharp stopped down to f8. Meyer-Optik Oreston 50mm - A nice clean example is a worthwhile buy. Very sharp centre at all apertures, requires stopping down to al least f5.6 for sharp corners. (The Pentacon 50mm f1.8 is the same lens optically and a good late multi-coated version is even better than the Oreston, but they are more variable in quality.) Yashinon 50mm f1.7 - a good lens, but there are many 50mm just as good. Still worthwhile. CZJ Sonnar 135mm - truly great lens, everybody should have one. Sold hundreds and never tested one that wasn't excellent. Sharp right into the corners at all apertures on APS-C sensors. Pentacon 135mm - very variable in quality. I wouldn't bother.
Thank you so much for these insights - really helpful. One message that comes across strongly is the variable quality of these old lenses. And of course, it's not just in terms of original quality control, but also how they've been treated/repaired over the years. If you look at the cheap Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50/2.8, even the way the screws are screwed and re-screwed into the rear element barrel can make a big difference to IQ, apparently. Good to see good words for some of the lenses, including the Sonnar. On the Orestogon and Lydith, I don't disagree with you. I was careful to observe that they are best as a kind of surrogate fast fifties with unusual bokeh closer up, especially on crop sensors. Given your invaluable experience, it would be great if you could point out any other vintage lenses in any mounts that don't cost a lot, but you found them to be excellent performers.
I've hit a jackpot few months ago, buying old M42 Pallas Auto 135mm f2.8, im absolutely in love with this lens. Im having a blast, watching my friends and other people, who buy brand new automatic lenses for big bucks, while i spend less than 100 dollars for a cool vintage lense. It's magical, to use fully manual lenses, it brings so much fun to turn those rings, and get a photo that will put a big smile on my face. Very cool and informative video, cheers!
My "best value" bargain lens was the Pentacon 50mm f1.8. Generally less than £20 - with very close focus and super dreamy, creamy bokeh wide open. At f5.6 both my Pentacons are very sharp indeed.
Hey Simon I've come across your videos a fair few times now and I am always pleasantly surprised by the no nonsense, straight forward common sense advice. It's so easy to get caught up in the minutia and pixel peeping that gear heads of my generation are guilty of. Your videos are brilliant and honest, thanks for making them.
A couple of vintage m42 mount lenses I've picked up recently - Auto Chinon 55mm f1.7 It came in a bag of lenses I paid £20, I've since sold a couple I didn't want for £50. A lovely Yashica 50mm DS f1.9 which is like new, I paid just £15 for it from a thrift shop. A carl zeiss jenna ddr 135mm f3.5 for £10 in a lens case, the lens is in mint as new condition. I use them on my Lumix g3 with astonishing results, I think my fav is the Yashica, it renders colours and detail beautifully and produces a dreamy bokeh.😊
One vintage telephoto not mentioned much is the totally manual Pentacon 300m f4 with19 aperture blades. I found one that was a local sell and as I found out, by a seller who was not a photographer and just wanted to get rid of it. The seller could not properly describe it so I offered her $40.00 USD and it was quickly accepted. This was in January 2021. Since that time I have used it for migrating Trumpeter Swans including one beautiful shot while in flight, and for voluntary work at my church in very dark conditions. Both times were wonderful with the only exception being it's five pounds of weight as I rarely use a tripod. This lens had very quickly become my favorite telephoto for my Pentax K1.
You made my day! As I reentered photography several years ago I chose to purchase film-camera lenses to get the feel and get comfortable seeing in various focal lengths. It's been a great journey. Watching your video I came to realize that I've a nice compliment of lenses. Several you have mentioned here. CJ Tessar (12 blade) Oreston, super tak 200/4. Even with some limitations they are not perfect like some extraordinary lenses of today. Clinical perfection isn't always the best look.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with vintage lenses. After watching your videos, I decided to purchase the Meyer-Optik Görlitz Oreston 50mm F1.8 as my first vintage lens purchase. I'm shooting it on a Lumix G7 with the Fotasy M42 Lens to M4/3 Focusing Helicoid Adapter. As you mentioned in the video, this lens focuses very close, but the helicoid adapter gives me a second option to use it for great macro shots with a simple little twist of the adapter. This has been so much fun and sure beats screw type extension tubes. I really love this lens and adapter combination. The results I'm getting with this lens far exceeded my expectations. I would encourage others to give this lens a try. Thanks again for all the hard work and the really wonderful videos.
Hello Simon, Thanks for the video! I'm a "vintage lens junkie", so I got loads of confirmation bias from watching this! The world of M42 (and a few others like the Exakta you mentioned, as well as the Praktica B-mount, Pentax K-mount etc.) is really massive, and not only are there bargains to be had, but there are mountains of truly excellent kit laying around doing nothing. I have started to shoot film again, so of course I got myself a Praktica MTL5b (M42 mount) to make use of all the lenses I have invested in so far. I also use all my vintage glass on my digital Micro 4/3's camera for doing pictures and video (hobby grade I have to add). Here is a curated list of my favourites (my apologies, it turned out to be quite a ramble) - Wides angles: Chinon 28mm 1:2.8 - A pleasant enough lens. Better for video than portraits for my style of shooting. Helios 28mm 1:2.8 - A Japanese "Helios", not an old Soviet model. Quite cheap, better as a wide-angle than the Chinon, although not as well made. Mir-1B 37mm 1:2.8 - A real gem - grab it if you can! My copy is not the "Grand Prix" model, but it's great to use. You can still get good copies of this lens for well below £50 ($60), but be patient. People are snapping these lenses up in order to modify them for anamorphic video, so thus the demand (and therefore pricing) is creeping up steadily. "Nifties": Helios-44 58mm 1:2.0 - Note that this is an older lens than the 44-2, and was my gateway drug into this whole vintage glass lark. A bit "wonky" with age, but the glass is clear and it's bokeh is totally OTT. I will never sell this lens! Helios-44M-4 58mm 1:2.0 - I use this as my "default" lens on my Praktika SLR, because it's the auto-aperture version of the 44. Very little to choose between the two when shooting digital. Jupiter-8 50mm 1:2.0 - I have two copies of this lens. It's actually an M39 Leica mount, but adaptors are widely available for digital use. I use them on digital only (flange distance is all wrong for SLR), and they are awesome lenses. Nice and small, and relatively fast (f2.0). The good thing about the M39 mount is that the flange distance are quite short, so even with an adapter this lens makes for a lovely compact solution on your digital camera. Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm 1:2.8 - Got this as the kit lens with my Praktika MTL5b. Very underrated, lovely colours and controllable creamy bokeh. These lenses are thankfully plentiful and cheap, a worthy lens for any collection. Industar-26M 52mm 1:2.8 and Industar-61P 52mm 1:2.8 - Basically the same lens, the 26M is the earlier version of the 61. Looks almost identical, works exactly the same. The 61 has more "modern" coatings, so does not flare as readily as the 26M. Like the Jupiter-8 it is also a Leica M39 mount, but works very well on both film and digital. The Industar-61 is one of the sharpest lenses you can buy at any price, and they are as cheap as chips. Like the Helios-44, they were made in droves as kit lenses with Gorki and Fed range-finder cameras, so you can literally kick one out from behind just about every other bush. Get yourself a 61, they are fun to use. E. Ludwig Meritar 50mm 1:2.9 - Got my copy with a broken Praktika Nova SLR from a charity shop, paid £12 (approx $15) for it. A bit slow at f2.9, and he barrel is not particularly well made - there is lots of movement in the aperture ring. The internal mechanism is solid. What makes this little lens special is its triplet design, and it sports some excellent quality glass. When shot digital it behaves very much like a (almost infinitely more expensive) Mayer-Görlitz Trioplan. Being a triplet it's not particularly sharp, but it has some gorgeous saturated colours - almost too much. Of all the lenses I have bought so far, this one was the biggest surprise. The best-spent £12 ever! You can get good copies for between £15-£30. Teles: Pentacon Prakticar 135mm 1:2.8 - I bought this one accidentally (I thought it was an M42 mount, instead it is a Praktica B-mount), but it turned out to be an excellent lens. These are not expensive - beware of paying more than £25 for one (unless it's the 15-blade version, which can go a bit higher). Jupiter-37A 135mm 1:3.5 - If you can get this lens for a good price (or it's predecessor, the Jupiter-11), you simply cannot go wrong. It's built like a piece of Soviet artillery, and it's a really great "short telephoto". Bokeh is creamy and controlled, and colours are on the cool side (towards the blue spectrum) with my copy. Unfortunately they can be a bit pricey (upwards of £70), so shop around patiently and you can get one for £50 or less (I think I paid £42 for mine). Well worth the expense, this is a lovely lens. Crop-sensor moderns (native M4/3): 7artisans 25mm 1:1.8 and 7artisans 55mm 1:1.4 - OK, these are not vintage, and neither are they "bargains". I include them because they are excellent "native mount" manual primes for crop-sensor cameras. The 25mm one is a nice small pancake portrait lens, very good for portraits and mild "wider angle" pictures. The 55mm is simply a brilliant lens, a true "modern vintage". It has a relatively short focus throw, which makes it a great for dynamic situations. The f1.4 makes it nice and fast too, which is useful for night photography with no flash. As you can see, my "habit" is out of control! :-) The good side of all this is that it keeps me excited about taking pictures, and it gets me out of the house and into the open air.
Hi Jan, Thank you so much for all these great ideas and descriptions Incredibly helpful and interesting. We definitely share the habit. I use a different lens every day, and it brightens up my walk to work no end. It's good to think that these wonderful old lenses are investments as well, as the better ones are appreciating in value. Having said that I now find it hard to part with my lenses. Towards the start of my collecting habit, I sold lenses to try to cover the costs, and with careful and lucky finds, that was possible to achieve. I sold some really good lenses for quite a significant profit and then found others.... The Japan made Helios 28mm you mention was one I sold (I'd have kept it, if is was USSR made, as it wasn't an expensive), because I picked up a Pentax SMC K 28mm f3.5 to go with the Takumar 28mm, and the Pentax is a class above... However, looking through my collection now, there's not a lens I'd willingly sell right now. I've enjoyed reading through your comments, and agree with them all, except perhaps for the E. Ludwig Meritar. I picked my copy up for £10 in an antique shop in Petworth, Sussex, with the camera as well - the lens is the old zebra version. So not complaints. I just can't get my copy to sing. But it is fun to use with a rather eccentric pre-set mechanism. Thanks again for your comments, Simon
@@Simonsutak Too bad about your zebra Meritar. I have a second copy here that I am about to CLA. I just need to make sure it's a "blue-moon-on-a-Wednesday" kind of day, so that I have all my courage in the right place... I cannot find anybody willing to work on these cheap oldies in Surrey even if they were worth it from a value perspective - which means I have to do it myself. Somewhat terrifying, even if the lens is ultra cheap. If it's any good I can send it to you to play with. It would be good to see how it performs against your zebra model. My thoughts are that they might have had a few QA issues with these lenses, so I suppose a comparison will quickly prove/disprove that idea.
I have a collection of Pentacon lenses, that all together cost about £140. They are the Lydith 30mm f3.5, the 50mm f1.8, the 135mm f4 (6 blade) and the 200mm f4 (6 blade). I managed to find all of these in M42 mount and all have the ft markings in green. My favourite is the 135mm, but I really like all of them. I also picked up a 300mm f4 monster, for £100, so a bit more expensive, but produces very impressive bokeh, having 19 blades! I also have the zebra Tessar, but I don't use it very often, as I prefer the Pentacon 50mm. I tend to use all of my manual lenses on my APSC A68 camera, as I like having the focus assist to use. Not so easy to get perfect focus on the FF A850. Great video as always.
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just recently i managed to complete my M42 lineup. i have the pentacon lineup: 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 135/2.8, and i'm happy as a pig in mud. they work beautifully on my a7ii, and doing almost everything manually is just such a nice throwback to my youth. btw, me sticking to pentacon is because my father -- who passed away when i was just one year old -- "left me" his pentacon super TL camera with a zebra pentacon 50/2.8 lens. that's the camera i learned photography on, mostly on my own. sadly the 50/2.8 is now nearly unusable, its spring broken, but the 1.8 more than makes up for it. i also have a carl zeiss jena 200/2.8, but that is a MONSTER. i still need to find a solution to put a mounting ring on it, because there is no way i'm gonna risk my trusty sony by trying to mount the camera to the tripod -- the lens is like at least two times the weight of the camera itself. there is something special about these lenses, and it's a testament to old craft how sharp and beautiful they still are on modern digital cameras.
Hey! how sharp do you find the pentagon 28?? many people says is not sharp enough...
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@@arboldechorizos it's a matter of taste. in general the pentacons are not super sharp nor flawless, but they have character. i can shoot some test footage if you're interested.
I Absolutely agree with you; I once owned just that particular type of the same Lens myself, but VERY unfortunately sold it - probably too cheap - to a keen Vintage Lens Collector - I regret that deeply now! Th. Benjaminsson in Sweden - 🇸🇪 - 🇸🇪 -
Great video. I have the following M42 mount lenses Pentacon 29mm f2.8, Prinzflex 135mm f2.8 and a Albinar 200mm f3.5. I love them all especially the 29mm
I have had a lot of fun with a Miida 35mm f/2.8-22 Automatic---Japanese, possibly made by Sun or Kawanon . The distributor of the lens at that time, Marubeni Iida, was a marketing company, not a lens-maker. Miida, which is the contraction of Marubeni Iida, exported lenses to the US during the 1970s. I find this lens to be adequately sharp and it renders interesting backgrounds when shooting wide open. There are a lot of Miida lenses for sale on eBay and other re-seller sites that are quite reasonable in price. I managed to purchase an absolutely pristine copy of this lens for $10.50 US (less than £8.00 UK or just over €8.50), and it has become one of my go-to vintage lenses. Not a great lens, perhaps, but it is certainly quite a good lens (at least my copy) and well worth the low online prices. Of course, I cannot vouch for consistent quality control regarding these lenses--I can only recommend based on the copy that I use.
If we're talking about bargain telephoto lenses you should consider Tair-3S 4.5/300. It's not that bargain with price tag around $100 but performance is absolutely outstanding and this is - considering the quality-to-value ratio - the best vintage telephoto lens I've ever used.
Yes! I actually included it in my video on more expensive lenses (th-cam.com/video/3BfkaLSF_qw/w-d-xo.html) , but it you can find one cheaply, it should be here too.
A have several of the M42 lenses mentioned, but I certainly would not class any of them as my favourites, and some I wouldn't want to use even if you paid me, including the 50/2.8 Tessar. My favourite M42 lens which can be used for all types of photography, except perhaps macros, is the Tokina RMC 24mm f2.8. I made my own hood for it and it currently lives on my Sony A7C more than any other lens. It can produce beautifully smooth bokeh, sharp portraits, amazing landscapes, it's great for videography too...A must have lens for those on a budget. In fact I like the 24mm focal length so much on full frame that I have just ordered the amazing Samyang AF 24mm f1.8 FE to replace it. I have a Nikon 35mm f1.4 Ai-S for when I feel like using 35mm, which is less and less often these days and a couple more very nice Nikons too but none of them can be classed as bargain lenses. I use the Nikon 35/1.4, Micro Nikkor 55/2.8 Ai-S and Nikon 105mm f2.5 Ai-S on my A7C via a Lingfoto Nikon F to E adapter. My favourite 50mm-ish vintage lens though is my Canon FL-SA 55mm f1.2, which I permanently converted to Sigma SA mount (I machined 2mm off it in a lathe so I could get infinity focus when mounted on the SD14)...I now use it on my A7C via a Lingfoto SA to E adapter...I made my own lens hood for that too as the original hoods are now as rare as rocking horse droppings. My favourite vintage 85mm lens is the Canon FD-SA 85mm f1.2 L, which I have also permanently converted to SA mount...Only it wasn't possible to machine 2mm off it to get infinity like I could with the FL 55/1.2mm, so instead I simply shortened another Lingfoto SA to E adapter by 2mm so it can focus to infinity on my A7C. Obviously the latter lens is hardly classed as a bargain lens, especially as it now regularly sells over £800 on ebay, but I can recommend a much cheaper lens that is also stellar performer...It's the compact and lightweight Mamiya M645 80mm f2.8 medium format kit lens...I made an M645 to SA adapter for it using a Mamiya M645 #1 extension ring, but it could be converted to M42 just as easily. It is easily one of the sharpest portrait lenses I have ever used, yet it is probably the cheapest native lens for the M645 mount. I tried the M645 45mm, M645 150mm and M645 210mm macro and the 80mm beats all of them for sharpness, so I sold them on again and only kept the 80mm. As for an M42 135mm lens I suppose my favourite has to be my Sigmatel YS "multi scalematic" 135mm f1.8 (with a 77mm filter thread). It's a big heavy lens though and so it doesn't get much use. I use a Sonia Brand 77mm lens hood on it. If you want a true M42 mount bokeh monster, look out for the Carl Zeiss 180mm f2.8 Sonnar...Smoothest bokeh ever!
My most expensive vintage lens to date is my Helios 81h (h is for Nikon) at $70 but that included shipping from Eastern Europe. Otherwise, most of my lenses cost me from $5-$10 at thrift shops and the broken lens box at my local camera shop. While none of my lenses are museum pieces, there are still some gems in my collection. Some of my favourites include my Nikon S•C 50mm f1.4, the Pentax-M 50mm f1.7, a Helios 44-2, a Tokyo Koki Tele-Tokina 105mm f2.8, a Konica Hexanon AR 52mm f1.8, a Minolta MC Rokkor PF, 50mm f2, a Yashica ML 50mm f2, a Fujinon 55mm f2.2 and a Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f2.8, all of these lenses cost my $5.00 each. Other recent favourites include my Soligor 135mm f3.5 ($5.00), a Bushnell 135mm f2.8 ($8.00), a Hanimex 180mm f3.5 ($20.00) and an Olympus F. Zuiko Auto-T 200mm f5 ($5.00). I also have three Industar lenses that cost me around $30.00 each. For samples from these and other budget, vintage lenses check out my portraits page here: mark-dantonio.imgbb.com/
The Pentax A 35-70mm f/4 is a 7 element zoom. Great sharpness, color and macro. Generally sells for under $50.00. I have 3 copies. Just got a copy of the Takumar 200mm f/3.5 and it is without a doubt, a league into itself.
@@Simonsutak I have never owned the 35-105mm. Zooms tend to leave me flat with a few exceptions. Another is the 24-50mm. Very sharp and contrasty in it's range. At least sharp enough. I prefer it over my 24mm primes. The old M 35-70mm f2.8-3.5 is a surprisingly sharp 7 element lens too.. In both cases they tend to beat the $50 dollars and less category much like the 35-105.. Great videos by the way. Really enjoying them. Picked up the early zebra auto tak 55mm f/1.8 just recently. I have a few 55mm's kicking around. Great lenses. :)
To add onto non-M42 135mm lenses, I picked up a Nikkor-Q 135mm f/2.8 for like $30 last year, and that's still their going price on eBay. Lovely lens when stopped down a smidge, or even shot wide open! It's got some great color and some great bokeh too imo. Definitely worth picking up for a FF camera or a 35mm Nikon body!
They are both M-39 - so not to be mentioned in an M42 video. I'm quite a fan of Russian lenses. I need to try out my MC Zenitar 50 on a digital camera.
@@jpcalamaro961 Forgot about the Industar 61 but I have never before heard about a Jupiter 8 in Zenit (39mm) SLR mount. I have the Jupiter 11 in 39mm RF mount (LTM) and in 39mm SLR mount.
Hi there, I just wanted to thank you for your very valuable videos! This is great. And out of your recommendations I just bought as one of my first M42 lenses the Yashinon DS 50mm F1,7 and I just love it for portraits (using it on an Fuji APS-C system). It is a fantastic little gem.
I've got a very light very versatile SMC Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7 fast and quite sharp and dirt cheap, native K mount so no adapter needed for Pentax DSLRs, and also a quite interesting M42 200/f4 Pentacon, which has 15 blades aperture and a focus throw of about 350 degrees.
Fujinon 55mm, f1.8 is a great bargain M42 lens. They can be had easily for under $50 - usually with one of Fujica's ST camera bodies attached. This lens is a bit soft making it great for flowers or casual portraits. It's not very good for landscapes, but it's great closer photography. Seems to pull in blues and greens quite well.
I have a nice collection of Takumar and Super Takamar from my Pentax days. I use them in astrophotography because they generally excellent manual lenses, I have a Tair 300mm lens, weighs a ton but excellent as is the Russian Helios 44mm F/2 . I have an excellent Takumar 300mm (rare) pin sharp. Astrophotography is the best way to test any lens. Sharpness and other lenses issues. M42 thread is a common fitting for many modern astrophotography cameras, especially those made by ZWO. I have been collecting Nikkor El lenses as they make excellent lenses for close-up use and they transmit UV well for UV photography as do my old Steinheil. lenses, not an easy track to pursue. Thanks for sharing your wonderful presentation.
I've always been fascinated by telephoto photography, and found what I regard as a vintage bargain in the super-telephoto regime. I picked up a Zenit 3M-5A for £75 a while back. It's a 500mm F/8 mirror lens. It's a little soft and produces donut bokeh which many people dislike, but it's a bloody 500mm lens and has good optical quality overall, in my opinion. For £75 this is a small telescope I can carry in my camera bag, and can produce some fun images.
Please add your own suggestions for good bargain lenses, and thanks to everyone who already has added lenses. Here are links to the different sections: 2:00 Fisheye and wide angle, less than 35mm 4:34 Classic walkaround 35mm 5:56 Pancakes and 40mm 7:08 Fast fifties 10:38 Macro 11:05 Portrait 13:39 Bokeh monsters 135mm 14:34 Telephoto 150mm plus
Thank you for sharing. The 30/3.5 Lydith was bulit later as a Pentacon 30/3.5 with same lens design - these are usually cheaper than the Mayer-Gerlitz -- but not less good ;-)
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Oreston 50 mm f/1.8 and/or Pentacon 50/1.8 is wonderful on crop sensor. Better color than the Helios and the Bokeh does a busy but fantastic stained glass rendering. Not as critically sharp as other but enough to work wonders on portraits. I really want to pursue more Meyer-Optiklenses. Helios 44 is better on full frame to me where you can capture the full spherical look of the bokeh though it is wonderfully sharp on crop and does give just about a perfect 85mm equivalent perspective since it's a longer 58mm lens. Finally the cheap and underrated 135mm lenses on crop are wonderful nature lenses. Long enough (200mm equivalent) to reach birds and wildlife in trees but fast apertures to give wonderful background blur and render specular highlights off leaves for a painterly look.
I came here to find good and cheap 35mm vintage lenses and this man tells me to use my kit lens ... In all seriousness, thanks for the amazing video! I can't wait to be financially able to try out all the SMC takumars you suggested, especially the 35mm 3.5 😁😁😁
I really loved the M42 screw-mount lens, and there are lot and lot of them out there. I used a Nikon D800 Fx full fame, and with a cheap lens adapter, (M42 to Nikon F-mount). Super Takuma, Panagor, Pantagon, Fujica, and those great Russian lens.
Been rocking with my Helios 58mm f/2 for five years. Also bought a Pentacon Prakticar 28mm f/2.8 lens and it has that swirly bokeh at its sweet spot. :)
The Communist Lenses certainly make for some weird effects, eh? I got a Helios 44-2 on a Zenit-E I was given, (as soon as my family found out I enjoy film cameras, they used it as an excuse to clean their closets). I like the Zenit-E, it's a weird, unrefined camera that sounds like a silverware cabinet falling over when firing, but that Helios 44-2 is a fun lens to use on either my Zenit or K-mount Pentaxes
Olympus OM Zuiko 1970..80s lenses that are omitted in this video for being not M42, beat everything mentioned here. By the way, some original M42 Zuikos do exist. Old silver-nose 100/2.8 performs at the level of a first generation white Canon 70-200/2.8L IS in terms of sharpness, if not corner falloff and colour rendition. I have a collection of Zuikos - 28/2.8, 50/1.8MC (beats similar QBM-mount Rollei-HFT 50/1.8, which is excellent), 50/3.5MC Macro 1:2 (with extension tubes), 100/2.8 (silver-nose, i.e. first version), 135/2.8, and 35-70/3.6. Mind you that top-range Zuikos (mostly from /2 range, as well as shifts and specialty macro for varifocal tube/bellows - “bellows group” in old Olympus lingo, 20, 38, 80 and 135) are highly sought, can be extremely hard to find and are priced prohibitively, mostly for the reason of being originally produced in rather limited quantities. Lucky are those folks who managed to grab them in 2005..2008 when this glass was really cheap, and keep hold of it. As for Helios-44, there are almost two dozen modifications by different factories and of different age. Quite notably, when I compared a number of various Helioses of different vintage and made by different factories, none surpassed the original CZJ Biotar 58/2 from 1947 (with 40.5 mm filter thread), which Helios-44 was a clone of. The comparison was done on EOS 5DsR in 2016 with live view. I think I'll repeat it at some point on Sony A7 IV (while it has 1.5 times less pixels, it allows absolutely precise focusing) or maybe with an A1. T-43 40/4 from Smena 8M is indeed much more interesting than I remember it from my childhood years, but since it was, together with Smena-8M itself, the most mass-produced photographic lens ever, beat only by smartphones that are manufactured in even higher quantities, it has extremely wide sample variability and inherent problems stemming from not only its price but optical design as well. While it is surprisingly sharp in the center, - so sharp in fact, that it could not be imagined or achieved on anything prior to modern mirrorless cameras, - corners greatly suffer from field curvature, which is noticeable even on m4/3 sensors, let alone anything bigger. I have it adapted for Sony mount using an LTM39 helicoid from Industar-26, and this modular conversion allows me to use it on anything that can take LTM lenses.
Ohhh, my favorite. portrait lens The Jupiter 9 85mm. I own two, but prefer the 1966 silver version more then the black 1976 version. It is like an effects lens with it's soft focus. However, it works best for contrast when using a long lens hood. I made mine out of lens filter adapter ring kits with a Takumar 135mm f2.5 lens hood on the end. Awesome! Maybe, people don't use the Jupiter 9 85mm that much is because the subject needs to be far away. I like this lens, but my favorite lens so far is the Fujinon 55mm f1.8 and f2.2 which are great. I have heard that FUJI had the best glass. I think I might have been too quick to judge though.
Like I was saying, I think I might have been too quick to judge though. This last winter 2022 I found some other 50/55mm lenses that are really nice. I get bored when the days are short. I bought most of my lenses during this time of year, each year. I used to buy high end studio mics and I still do if I find a rare deal. So I do mostly lenses these days. My TOMIOKA interest developed after your Tomioka Revuenon silent video. So these are my 2022 crop. Olympus OM-System G.Zuiko Auto-S 55mm f1.2 Olympus OM-System Zuiko MC Auto-S 50mm f1.4 Black Nose Canon FL 55mm f1.2 Fluorite Lens elements 1968 Auto Chinon MultiCoated 55mm f1.4 (TOMIOKA) Auto Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.4 with M42 Mount TOMIOKA Design Tomioka Auto Revuenon 55mm f1.4 M42 (TOMIOKA) Russian ZENITAR-M 50mm f1.7
Yes, that’s a gem! Far better than Canon, Pentax and others. My preference is for the even more modest f3.5 Ai. They’re very close, but I prefer the slower one.
At my local thrift store, I walked by that Vivitar 75-205 3.8 in a Nikon mount for two weeks. It was in pristine condition, but at $20 it wasn't worth a pointless purchase (doubting I'd ever use it). One day a worker asked what I'd be willing to pay, and I said I'd pay $5, just to be polite. I took it home and put it on my D750 set on a manual b/w. I took a shot, (what???) corrected focus, took another and my knees went weak. It was like I was the still photographer on the set of Dr. Strangelove. I guess I've said enough.
the Yashinon-DS 50mm 1.7 and 1.4 were modeled after the contax zeiss 50's, they might perform similarly. these Tomioka-made Yashinons specifically the DS series really go under the radar, despite being really well made and performing lenses. i own the DS 50mm f/1.9 which has the same excellent build quality as your 1.7. great images too!
I picked up the Zhongyi 85/2 for about $80. It's super soft and smooth wide open but produces some nice bokeh. I got one with a Nikon F mount and not M42 but it's worth checking out and is easily adapted to Sony or even a Canon DSLR.
You're very welcome. Love you channel. It's an inspiration. And coincidentally today, I was following your videos on cleaning a Tair 11a's blades, plus repairing a Tair 11's blades. I was operating on a Tair 11a, where some of the blades had come out of their positions. Fortunately I managed to get hem back without taking the whole mechanism apart. I'm in awe at your repair skills, especially live on video! I only repair lenses when I buy lenses "for parts" lenses, cheap, for my own use only.
Wonderful piece, stunning example shots, bravo and sincere thanks, so enjoyable. You covered most of my favourites. I'm a Takumar lover, and the 50 f1.4 has to be mentioned for colour rendering and handling, the 100mm f4 macro (I know the 50 is the one to get for 1:1) for insane sharpness . The 85 f1.9 is sublime, and can match very expensive glass, the 105mm f/2.8 is stunning and rarely gets mentioned, and as you say the 200 f3.5 is just a dream lens. Outside the Taks, I had a soft spot (and soft images) from a Porst 135mm f1.8, which with care can do some magic things, really wish I handn't sold it. The best 28mm I have is the Vivitar series 1 f/1.9, such character and gets sharp and contrasty from f2.8. The only gap I have is for a nice Flektagon 20mm on FF, beautiful rectilinear super wide on FF, and usually < $150. Probably my next lens. I know you packed a lot in, but there are many many of us who started our prime journey with crop sensor and although graduated to FF, still find uses for the smaller sensor. I am new to your stuff so don't know if you're FF only or not, but it would help to talk to the lenses capabilities on crop sensors. I am nit picking :) I know it's not really true, but in a way it fills in your gaps in your lens collection. The Porst 135 f1.8 on crop worked very well for unobtrusive portraits, with something equivalent to 200mm ish FF, but great for indoor and a super narrow DOF. Also hides the more excessive edge softness using just the inner area of the lens on crop. It still blows my mind the lenses on offer to today's photographers for the money. I have one more comment on manual glass on DSLRs. I know it's a bit out there for most, but the focus assist features of Magic Lantern mean that a second hand 550D with a hood loupe on it can be a true marvel for making old glass practical for candid, walkabout and indoors with fast old glass.
Thank you so much for your comments. I use both crop and FF, and I agree - crop works really well for many of my old lenses. All except for the wider angle lenses. And maybe the swirly Helios lenses, as their swirls can be cropped off! And my Sony a6000 crop camera also has good focus assist, which helps a great deal. (Although I wish it had IBIS as the later versions have). I covered the crop vs. FF discussion in this video: studio.th-cam.com/users/videodRJXbL6dlmU/edit I'll keep a look out for that Prost 135mm f1.8! Cheers, Simon
I am in love with my Olympus 50mm f3.5 macro lens (even for normal shots). Obscene colors, fantastic micro-contrast, stunning sharpness. Old Minolta lenses can also be quite good (e.g. the 35-70mm f3.5 zoom, version II and III which both are sharp like a prime lens, especially the non-macro version II). In the Helios 44 lens family I prefer the older 44 version with 13 blades over the more mass-produced 44-2 model. Newer Helios versions like the 44-3 up to 44-7 or the 44-M are also worth testing (how you also mentioned in one of your videos) since the quality of these lenses is quite inconsistent and you need time to find a "keeper".
i like the photos from the oreston 50mm. those colors seem to pop nicely after PP'd. thinking about adapting to my canon which already boosts colors a bit-
I have that Vivitar Close Focusing Auto Zoom 75-205 as well as it's little brother, the 70-150mm f3.8 which has many, if not more, features than a Vivitar Series 1 lens.
You really know your stuff, that's for sure. Here in the US, it seems like 35mm lenses are very expensive, my only bargains are a Minolta MD, and a Mamiya Sekor. The Minolta is shockingly sharp. I got a Meyer Lydith as a free body cap from a well known English camera dealer years ago, as you say it is sort of a character lens. Here the biggest bargains are Minolta glass, I find lenses in thrift shops and boot sales for almost nothing. The Rokkor lenses have been shocking to me, even the ugly looking examples are pretty great.
I have had lots of luck with Rikinon vintage lenses by Ricoh. Inexpensive when new, and inexpensive in vintage kit as well. I use the excellent 28mm f2.8. A simply delightful lens. I also use the 50mm f1.8. It is very similar to the 50mm f2 Takumar but it is $20 less expensive! They can be had most economically in Pentax K mount.
As usual loved it! Great video. Some of my favorite el cheapo lenses: -Sigma Mini Wide 28mm F2.8 (first version). - Probably the most poorly manufactured lens I own, but actually produces an interesting bokeh effect. I suspect this is due to some kind of balsam separation that makes its ridiculous bokeh-gons stretch out on one side. This would be great for doing some kind of cyber-punk product shot. -Piesker 135mm F3.5 - Really low contrast but, I adore the bokeh and the vintage feel. Also, it looks like a rock star on the camera. -Industar 61L /3 MC 50mm F2.8 - The background blur with pine needles is unreal. -Auto-Takumar 55mm F2.2 - I agree with your assessment. I love this thing! What an amazing lens. The next two are not really sub $50USD lenses, but I got them for much less. -Topcor 35mm F2.8 - Really this falls into the 'got a lucky break' category, as it came free with the camera I bought to acquire its 58mm F1.4 Topcor lens. The 35mm RE Auto is a good lens. Very crisp and the blur provides good separation when there is adequate physical spacing. -Steinheil Munchen Auto Quinon 55mm F1.9. - I bought this lens two weeks ago for $65 Canadian dollars at an antique shop, which is about 50p in GBP ;). I looked at a popular online auction site, but only noticed a bunch of probably very overpriced "Buy it Now's," so in time I will find out how good of a deal this actually was. Whatever the value, the lens is a godess. The sharpness at centre is excellent. The bokeh is so smooth it nearly competes with the glorious Topcor 58mm F1.4 RE Auto and may yet prove better than my lovely 8 element Takumar 50 F1.4. I'm looking forward to summer and its colours returning so I can see how this lens performs in the wild. Simon, thanks again for another terrific video!
Many thanks for your kind words - much appreciated as always. I've very much enjoyed going through your list of lenses. You have some amazing lenses, just in this list. Do you have a link to Flickr or another site where we can see your photos? Ironically, I was going to mention the Sigma 28mm but got distracted by the Lydith and Orestegon (lenses that also produce unusual bokeh) and the Yashica, and forgot!! Good tip for the Industar. It should have been in the video. It's a lens I personally haven't got because I'm so wedded to the first 1:1 Macro-Takumar 50mm f4....but that doesn't mean others shouldn't have a good look at it. The Steinheil Munchen Auto Quinon 55mm F1.9 looks like a great lens, and you got it at such a great price! It looks like it flares beautifully. The Topcor 58mm is a lens right at the top of the best vintage lenses, but as you write below it's a different mount, and it has escaped my clutches so far. Cheers, Simon
I do have a flikr account, but it has little content. Historically, I used it for posting photos of vintage motorcycle parts for various forums. This summer, after watching your videos and becoming more interested in Bokeh effects I took down the pictures of bike parts and posted a few pictures where the bokeh interested me. I had a real thing for bubbles this summer. Some day I will have to start posting more there. The channel is: Sin-Aesthetic and features a photo of our cat as its avatar.
I have used several of these lenses extensively -the pentax 135 2.5 and the Lydeth 30mm - but far and away my most used m42 lens is the EBC fuji 55mm 1.8 ...$70...It stays on my Sony A 7R3 body when lenses costing $500 sit on my shelf...
I'd also recommend 2 more lenses from Pentax: the 50mm SMC f1.7 and the 50mm SMC f4 Macro (actually 1:2 or half life size). I use both on my Canon 5D full frame bodies, especially the latter. They're not expensive and I never shoot wide open so the f4 version doesn't matter to me. Small, sharp and lovely colour rendition with plenty of bokeh too.
@@vegadneeraj Use sidecutters to chop it off flush and hold it upside down to file it smooth so filings don't go inside the lens. I've done it with 3 SMC lenses.
Hey Simon :) thanks for the nice Video, 9:55 you mentioned the radioactive Yashinon-DS 50/1.7... When someone have a problem with radioactivity and still would like to buy this type of lens he could buy the previous model, the Yashinon-DX50/1.7. I have it and testet mine and it is´nt radioactive. I dont know if it is performance wise the same but still for the price ( I payed for an almost mint copy 17€ with shipping) its worth a try 😉 My best bargain.... 🤔 I would asume my Fleki " imposter german Flektogon Zeiss 35/2.8" bought it for 20€, fungus, haze and bend aperture construction at least the focus was working😅... let me put it this way... I had an interesting loooong weekend (now its like new)🙃
Wow so many lenses.... I do love the Pentax Takumar 135mm f3.5, taken some good pictures with that. One of my particular favourite lenses I got for 55 pounds was the Konica hexicon 50mm f1.4 that thing produces the most beautiful pictures... I have definitely become a fan of vintage lenses over the years. I have the modern lenses for vlogging but do enjoy my vintage lenses for Filmaking to. I’ve just got the Helios 35 and the mir1 to add to the collection awaiting arrival... The Takumar 135mm performs well on my Fuji xt3
I must recommend the overlooked 100mm focal length for portraiture as an alternative to 85mm. There are some great options there. In particular the 100mm version of the Pentacon/Meyer Optik Orestor. It's actually sharper and renders better Bokeh than the 135mm version, and If you're using it on APS-C crop factor sensor with a dumb adapter you get close enough to the field of view and equivalent focal length of a 135mm lens (As a side note: with the same set-up, a 55-58mm Prime will give you close enough to the same results of an 85mm portrait). I got my Orestor 100mm for £40 on ebay because it had sticky blades.
Good recommendation. I like the Meyer Optik Orestor 100mm as well, and prefer 100mm to my 85mm lenses (on FF and crop). I have the older multi-bladed zebra version, but it cost me three times your sticky blades version. I've not found a bargain 100mm lens sadly.
Good value selection! If you ever find the 70's "Sears" labeled lenses, grab 'em. They rebranded Tomiko and Yashica lenses. I think they were available in M42 and their camera (Pentax?) mount.
The 200mm f3,5 Takumar is one heavy brass lens. It was way better in contrast and colour than Leitz Telyt. Mine was Magnum photographer! It was faster than. Nikon's 200mm f4.Yes! 1/2 f stop was important when Ektachrome Hi-Speed was 160 ASA (ISO)! Oldies are goldies..
I recently acquired two strange lenses that I had never heard of, a Komura Sankyo Koki 135mm f2.8 in M42, with 15(!) blades, and a Sonagar 135mm f3.5 in Minolta mount with 10 blades. I got them both at a camera club sale, $5 for the Komura and $3 for the Sonagar. The Komura is a bokeh beast, while being very small and lightweight. I have really enjoyed shooting with this lens. It really does rival my Pentacon 135mm f2.8 (Auto MC version). The Sonagar is unremarkable, but it's the best $3 lens I own. I did notice that there seem to be quite a few Sankyo KOHKI lenses out there, but mine is spelled KOKI, which I find odd. I didn't know anything about it when I bought it, although I do own a Komura Komuranon 820 80-200 f4.5 zoom that performs very well, and I assume that the Sankyo Koki is a much older lens. it has been a joy to shoot with.
My current favorite old lens is an ancient m42 threaded 135mm f/2.8 by Lumetar (I know nothing of them). It is so crude with a 6 blade aperture and it cost me $10. The proper adapter cost more than the lens and almost doubles it's length Ha Ha... but using it is pleasant and the images make me happy.
Any love for the vivitar 50mm f1.9? It came with my vivitar 400SL with a 200mm f3.5 that I haven’t shot much film with but love the look adapted to my digital camera. Not so much with the 50mm… I will say that the 50mm produces some nice bokeh, that may even be a tad swirly. I haven’t shot wide open on film yet but it’s very present adapted to digital… Worth a look since the 50 goes for incredibly cheap on eBay and is reasonably sharp stopped down.
So helpful. Really felt like I learnt a lot here. I have just recently bought a Helios 44m to dip my toe in the vintage lens world and am already smitten. So this helps me think about what next. Thank you!
I would recommend the Hanimar Auto S 135mm F2.8. Great bokeh, lovely warm colours and also sharp from 2.8 Also, the Hanimex Tele-Auto 135mm f2.8, not as nice in colour rendering as the Hanimar, but razor-sharp from wide open
I wish I saw your video earlier in my lenses shopping, I ended buying 2 lenses from 7 artisans, a macro and a wide angle. looking now for a decent bokeh for portraits with my eos m50
Just picked up a Tamron SP90mm F/2.5 for £50 which is a terrific lens on my Em1 MkII and would suit any digital or film camera I think. It also does 1:2 macro and with an extension will do 1:1.
the Fujinon 55mm F1.8 is a nice lens and pretty common ..compered to my Canon FDn 50 F1.4 it has less fringing smother Bokeh and maybe a little sharper than the canon at F2 although i have not done any formal testing ..i have plenty of 50/55mm f1,6 to f2.2 lenses that i have not tested out yet but i am looking for anther F1.4 as i am not rally happy with the Bokeh of the FDn 50 F1.4
@@Simonsutak Meyer-Optik Goerlitz Orestor 135mm f/2.8 (the 15-bladed version) - beautiful lens for portraiture; I got lucky and acquired my copy (including a leather-bound case) for just £30 from a charity shop. Adapts really well to my Canon EOS 6D, and indeed also to my three EOS 35mm film cameras. I'm looking for a good low-cost 35mm prime on M42 mount, with the intention of shooting in low light; do you know of any really fast primes (f/2 or faster) that would fit that description?
@@rolltrollroll Haha, true! I figure pretty much any M42 mount 35mm fast prime would come in cheaper than Canon's own EF 35mm f/2 or f/1.4L lens though; even used copies of those are quite expensive. Currently I use my Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD for most street photography, and I like the 35mm focal length - but a nice fast prime would be a lot lighter, and hopefully I can find one that will let in more light for good low-light shots - preferably without breaking the bank!
A great video! I have been trying out the Helios 44-2 on my Fujifilm X-T3.........Absolutely love it! Will definitely be looking into of your advised lenses:)
Great video and a wonderful way to spend 15 minutes! Great tips on where to find them as well. Always worth trying inexpensive lenses, you never know how good a rendering they may provide!
I had a set of Pentax lenses - 35/3.5 I think (not worth it compared to kit lens), 50/1.7 (great), 50/2.0 (never tried it), and a Takumar-Bayonet 135/2.5 (which was great when at 2.8, at 2.5 it was low contrast). Used them oin a focal reducer, and the 135 made some great portraits. Sold them on, have a bit of a regret for the 135.Bought th elot for 45 euro, sold it on for the same price.
01:47 I think I saw that photo on another website before. It must have been part of a blog/article about the Zenit 3m, I think. I might be off here. But I know I've seen this particular photo somewhere else, not too long ago. Anyways, if you took that photo, respect. It's beautiful.
Hi. Yes, I took this photo. Thanks for the tip, interesting. I wonder where it was?! It'll be like searching for a needle to a haystack to find out where. Generally, I'm pleased if people use my images in blogs/articles....as long as its referenced.
It was quite a relaxing article to read. At that time I was thinking of getting me one of those. Yet the article convinced me to overthink, since the author said that his 3M literally apart after a few clicks. I myself have never used an analog camera (besides that cheap plastic thing my parents gave me, when I was a child). I'm a late millennial, after all. But I love oldschool lenses. Currently I'm all over my Chinon 50mm F1.4. Not as good as the Minolta Rokkor 50mm F1.4, in my opinion. But still a very lovely lens. There's just something about oldschool lenses, that I like better, in comparison to their modern day counterparts.
I have a Sigma SDQH, and my lenses are a Spiratone 28mm F2.8 and an Soligor 35-105mm F3.5. Aside from Kipon’s $50 M42 to SA Mount Adapter, the two lenses costed $80. Since my camera is an APS-H, I have taken the crop factor of 1.3 into account before purchasing. To be honest, I believe I saved a lot rather than buy Sigma SA Lenses. PS: Both lenses are Like New, Incredibly Mint Condition. The Spiratone may be Radioactive as the glass is yellow. Lol
@@alun7006 the Konica 40mm f1.8 can often be had for under $50. I was lucky with the 57mm as if was attached to a camera at a yard sale. Owner didn't know what they had, snagged it up for $20. Probably my best thrifting deal I've come across camera wise.
I traded on eBay for eight years buying, cleaning and repairing old manual focus lenses and selling them on. I tested all lenses on my Fujifilm X-Pro1. Here's my thoughts:
Meyer-Optik Orestegon 29mm & Meyer-Optik Lydith 30mm - the quality of these is very variable. Although I have had the odd good one, even those have not been good enough to be worth keeping.
Takumar 28mm - ALL Takumars are good.
CZJ Flektogon 35mm - very, very sharp in the centre, but they need to be stopped down to f11 to get really sharp corners on APS-C sensors.
Never had a Yashica 35mm - quite rare.
MIR 1 37mm - lots of veiling flare that obscures any sharpness.
Industar 50mm - very soft glass and its hard to find an unscratched one. Not a Tessar copy but a Leica Elmar clone.
Helios 44-2 - soft glass again, but very good if unscratched.
CZJ Tessar - again watch out for scratches. Somewhat variable in quality but good ones are very sharp stopped down to f8.
Meyer-Optik Oreston 50mm - A nice clean example is a worthwhile buy. Very sharp centre at all apertures, requires stopping down to al least f5.6 for sharp corners. (The Pentacon 50mm f1.8 is the same lens optically and a good late multi-coated version is even better than the Oreston, but they are more variable in quality.)
Yashinon 50mm f1.7 - a good lens, but there are many 50mm just as good. Still worthwhile.
CZJ Sonnar 135mm - truly great lens, everybody should have one. Sold hundreds and never tested one that wasn't excellent. Sharp right into the corners at all apertures on APS-C sensors.
Pentacon 135mm - very variable in quality. I wouldn't bother.
Thank you so much for these insights - really helpful. One message that comes across strongly is the variable quality of these old lenses. And of course, it's not just in terms of original quality control, but also how they've been treated/repaired over the years. If you look at the cheap Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50/2.8, even the way the screws are screwed and re-screwed into the rear element barrel can make a big difference to IQ, apparently. Good to see good words for some of the lenses, including the Sonnar. On the Orestogon and Lydith, I don't disagree with you. I was careful to observe that they are best as a kind of surrogate fast fifties with unusual bokeh closer up, especially on crop sensors.
Given your invaluable experience, it would be great if you could point out any other vintage lenses in any mounts that don't cost a lot, but you found them to be excellent performers.
I used to have an xpro 1 and I hated the sensor, the only time I found it pleasing was when the Takumar was on it.
@@Mr7Poz Strange then that it is now a cult camera.
@@geoffreypiltz271 Yeah, I sold it too cheap and somebody stole my xe2 out of my car. Now, the prices are crazy.
I've hit a jackpot few months ago, buying old M42 Pallas Auto 135mm f2.8, im absolutely in love with this lens. Im having a blast, watching my friends and other people, who buy brand new automatic lenses for big bucks, while i spend less than 100 dollars for a cool vintage lense. It's magical, to use fully manual lenses, it brings so much fun to turn those rings, and get a photo that will put a big smile on my face.
Very cool and informative video, cheers!
That Takumar 200mm f4 is one of my very favorites. It's just about always in my bag.
tomioka f1.4 is unreal... Colors from it it's just magical. Thanks for a great video. Very informative and well put together.
Thank you!
My "best value" bargain lens was the Pentacon 50mm f1.8. Generally less than £20 - with very close focus and super dreamy, creamy bokeh wide open. At f5.6 both my Pentacons are very sharp indeed.
Got this with my Praktica MTL 50 and was SO surprised by it! Great little lens.
awesome to hear I just scored a mint Pentacon 50 f1.8 so excited to see how it renders. the Flickr pages are full of dreamy bokeh
My best value lens is a MamiyaSekor 55mm 1.4, it's just an amazing piece of glass with such great vintage character.
Hey Simon I've come across your videos a fair few times now and I am always pleasantly surprised by the no nonsense, straight forward common sense advice. It's so easy to get caught up in the minutia and pixel peeping that gear heads of my generation are guilty of. Your videos are brilliant and honest, thanks for making them.
Thank you!
Excellent work; knowledgeable, instructive, well researched, well paced and NO muzak. Thank you.
Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise. Generous of you, thank you!
A couple of vintage m42 mount lenses I've picked up recently -
Auto Chinon 55mm f1.7
It came in a bag of lenses I paid £20, I've since sold a couple I didn't want for £50.
A lovely Yashica 50mm DS f1.9 which is like new, I paid just £15 for it from a thrift shop.
A carl zeiss jenna ddr 135mm f3.5 for £10 in a lens case, the lens is in mint as new condition.
I use them on my Lumix g3 with astonishing results, I think my fav is the Yashica, it renders colours and detail beautifully and produces a dreamy bokeh.😊
One vintage telephoto not mentioned much is the totally manual Pentacon 300m f4 with19 aperture blades. I found one that was a local sell and as I found out, by a seller who was not a photographer and just wanted to get rid of it. The seller could not properly describe it so I offered her $40.00 USD and it was quickly accepted. This was in January 2021. Since that time I have used it for migrating Trumpeter Swans including one beautiful shot while in flight, and for voluntary work at my church in very dark conditions. Both times were wonderful with the only exception being it's five pounds of weight as I rarely use a tripod. This lens had very quickly become my favorite telephoto for my Pentax K1.
Love my 1973 vintage Soligor 28/2.8. Manufactured for Soligor by Tokina. It renders beautifully.
The Soligor 80-200 f4. 5 rendres beautiful colors.
You made my day! As I reentered photography several years ago I chose to purchase film-camera lenses to get the feel and get comfortable seeing in various focal lengths. It's been a great journey. Watching your video I came to realize that I've a nice compliment of lenses. Several you have mentioned here. CJ Tessar (12 blade) Oreston, super tak 200/4. Even with some limitations they are not perfect like some extraordinary lenses of today. Clinical perfection isn't always the best look.
Great to hear!
ive been looking for this channel for so long, thank you for making these videos, it's super useful!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with vintage lenses. After watching your videos, I decided to purchase the Meyer-Optik Görlitz Oreston 50mm F1.8 as my first vintage lens purchase. I'm shooting it on a Lumix G7 with the Fotasy M42 Lens to M4/3 Focusing Helicoid Adapter. As you mentioned in the video, this lens focuses very close, but the helicoid adapter gives me a second option to use it for great macro shots with a simple little twist of the adapter. This has been so much fun and sure beats screw type extension tubes. I really love this lens and adapter combination. The results I'm getting with this lens far exceeded my expectations. I would encourage others to give this lens a try. Thanks again for all the hard work and the really wonderful videos.
Hello Simon,
Thanks for the video! I'm a "vintage lens junkie", so I got loads of confirmation bias from watching this! The world of M42 (and a few others like the Exakta you mentioned, as well as the Praktica B-mount, Pentax K-mount etc.) is really massive, and not only are there bargains to be had, but there are mountains of truly excellent kit laying around doing nothing. I have started to shoot film again, so of course I got myself a Praktica MTL5b (M42 mount) to make use of all the lenses I have invested in so far. I also use all my vintage glass on my digital Micro 4/3's camera for doing pictures and video (hobby grade I have to add).
Here is a curated list of my favourites (my apologies, it turned out to be quite a ramble) -
Wides angles:
Chinon 28mm 1:2.8 - A pleasant enough lens. Better for video than portraits for my style of shooting.
Helios 28mm 1:2.8 - A Japanese "Helios", not an old Soviet model. Quite cheap, better as a wide-angle than the Chinon, although not as well made.
Mir-1B 37mm 1:2.8 - A real gem - grab it if you can! My copy is not the "Grand Prix" model, but it's great to use. You can still get good copies of this lens for well below £50 ($60), but be patient. People are snapping these lenses up in order to modify them for anamorphic video, so thus the demand (and therefore pricing) is creeping up steadily.
"Nifties":
Helios-44 58mm 1:2.0 - Note that this is an older lens than the 44-2, and was my gateway drug into this whole vintage glass lark. A bit "wonky" with age, but the glass is clear and it's bokeh is totally OTT. I will never sell this lens!
Helios-44M-4 58mm 1:2.0 - I use this as my "default" lens on my Praktika SLR, because it's the auto-aperture version of the 44. Very little to choose between the two when shooting digital.
Jupiter-8 50mm 1:2.0 - I have two copies of this lens. It's actually an M39 Leica mount, but adaptors are widely available for digital use. I use them on digital only (flange distance is all wrong for SLR), and they are awesome lenses. Nice and small, and relatively fast (f2.0). The good thing about the M39 mount is that the flange distance are quite short, so even with an adapter this lens makes for a lovely compact solution on your digital camera.
Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm 1:2.8 - Got this as the kit lens with my Praktika MTL5b. Very underrated, lovely colours and controllable creamy bokeh. These lenses are thankfully plentiful and cheap, a worthy lens for any collection.
Industar-26M 52mm 1:2.8 and Industar-61P 52mm 1:2.8 - Basically the same lens, the 26M is the earlier version of the 61. Looks almost identical, works exactly the same. The 61 has more "modern" coatings, so does not flare as readily as the 26M. Like the Jupiter-8 it is also a Leica M39 mount, but works very well on both film and digital. The Industar-61 is one of the sharpest lenses you can buy at any price, and they are as cheap as chips. Like the Helios-44, they were made in droves as kit lenses with Gorki and Fed range-finder cameras, so you can literally kick one out from behind just about every other bush. Get yourself a 61, they are fun to use.
E. Ludwig Meritar 50mm 1:2.9 - Got my copy with a broken Praktika Nova SLR from a charity shop, paid £12 (approx $15) for it. A bit slow at f2.9, and he barrel is not particularly well made - there is lots of movement in the aperture ring. The internal mechanism is solid. What makes this little lens special is its triplet design, and it sports some excellent quality glass. When shot digital it behaves very much like a (almost infinitely more expensive) Mayer-Görlitz Trioplan. Being a triplet it's not particularly sharp, but it has some gorgeous saturated colours - almost too much. Of all the lenses I have bought so far, this one was the biggest surprise. The best-spent £12 ever! You can get good copies for between £15-£30.
Teles:
Pentacon Prakticar 135mm 1:2.8 - I bought this one accidentally (I thought it was an M42 mount, instead it is a Praktica B-mount), but it turned out to be an excellent lens. These are not expensive - beware of paying more than £25 for one (unless it's the 15-blade version, which can go a bit higher).
Jupiter-37A 135mm 1:3.5 - If you can get this lens for a good price (or it's predecessor, the Jupiter-11), you simply cannot go wrong. It's built like a piece of Soviet artillery, and it's a really great "short telephoto". Bokeh is creamy and controlled, and colours are on the cool side (towards the blue spectrum) with my copy. Unfortunately they can be a bit pricey (upwards of £70), so shop around patiently and you can get one for £50 or less (I think I paid £42 for mine). Well worth the expense, this is a lovely lens.
Crop-sensor moderns (native M4/3):
7artisans 25mm 1:1.8 and 7artisans 55mm 1:1.4 - OK, these are not vintage, and neither are they "bargains". I include them because they are excellent "native mount" manual primes for crop-sensor cameras. The 25mm one is a nice small pancake portrait lens, very good for portraits and mild "wider angle" pictures. The 55mm is simply a brilliant lens, a true "modern vintage". It has a relatively short focus throw, which makes it a great for dynamic situations. The f1.4 makes it nice and fast too, which is useful for night photography with no flash.
As you can see, my "habit" is out of control! :-) The good side of all this is that it keeps me excited about taking pictures, and it gets me out of the house and into the open air.
Hi Jan,
Thank you so much for all these great ideas and descriptions Incredibly helpful and interesting.
We definitely share the habit. I use a different lens every day, and it brightens up my walk to work no end.
It's good to think that these wonderful old lenses are investments as well, as the better ones are appreciating in value. Having said that I now find it hard to part with my lenses. Towards the start of my collecting habit, I sold lenses to try to cover the costs, and with careful and lucky finds, that was possible to achieve. I sold some really good lenses for quite a significant profit and then found others.... The Japan made Helios 28mm you mention was one I sold (I'd have kept it, if is was USSR made, as it wasn't an expensive), because I picked up a Pentax SMC K 28mm f3.5 to go with the Takumar 28mm, and the Pentax is a class above...
However, looking through my collection now, there's not a lens I'd willingly sell right now.
I've enjoyed reading through your comments, and agree with them all, except perhaps for the E. Ludwig Meritar. I picked my copy up for £10 in an antique shop in Petworth, Sussex, with the camera as well - the lens is the old zebra version. So not complaints. I just can't get my copy to sing. But it is fun to use with a rather eccentric pre-set mechanism.
Thanks again for your comments, Simon
@@Simonsutak Too bad about your zebra Meritar. I have a second copy here that I am about to CLA. I just need to make sure it's a "blue-moon-on-a-Wednesday" kind of day, so that I have all my courage in the right place... I cannot find anybody willing to work on these cheap oldies in Surrey even if they were worth it from a value perspective - which means I have to do it myself. Somewhat terrifying, even if the lens is ultra cheap. If it's any good I can send it to you to play with. It would be good to see how it performs against your zebra model. My thoughts are that they might have had a few QA issues with these lenses, so I suppose a comparison will quickly prove/disprove that idea.
Great video aside..Simon, the pictures in these examples are all just stunning!!
Many thanks!
I have a collection of Pentacon lenses, that all together cost about £140. They are the Lydith 30mm f3.5, the 50mm f1.8, the 135mm f4 (6 blade) and the 200mm f4 (6 blade). I managed to find all of these in M42 mount and all have the ft markings in green. My favourite is the 135mm, but I really like all of them. I also picked up a 300mm f4 monster, for £100, so a bit more expensive, but produces very impressive bokeh, having 19 blades! I also have the zebra Tessar, but I don't use it very often, as I prefer the Pentacon 50mm. I tend to use all of my manual lenses on my APSC A68 camera, as I like having the focus assist to use. Not so easy to get perfect focus on the FF A850. Great video as always.
just recently i managed to complete my M42 lineup. i have the pentacon lineup: 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 135/2.8, and i'm happy as a pig in mud. they work beautifully on my a7ii, and doing almost everything manually is just such a nice throwback to my youth. btw, me sticking to pentacon is because my father -- who passed away when i was just one year old -- "left me" his pentacon super TL camera with a zebra pentacon 50/2.8 lens. that's the camera i learned photography on, mostly on my own. sadly the 50/2.8 is now nearly unusable, its spring broken, but the 1.8 more than makes up for it.
i also have a carl zeiss jena 200/2.8, but that is a MONSTER. i still need to find a solution to put a mounting ring on it, because there is no way i'm gonna risk my trusty sony by trying to mount the camera to the tripod -- the lens is like at least two times the weight of the camera itself.
there is something special about these lenses, and it's a testament to old craft how sharp and beautiful they still are on modern digital cameras.
Hey! how sharp do you find the pentagon 28?? many people says is not sharp enough...
@@arboldechorizos it's a matter of taste. in general the pentacons are not super sharp nor flawless, but they have character. i can shoot some test footage if you're interested.
@ it would be great! thanks
I fully support your choice of Pentacon lenses. Both, the Praktica cameras and Pentacon lenses are really beautiful and have a character of their own.
I have SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 and it is an amazing lens!
I Absolutely agree with you;
I once owned just that particular type of the same Lens myself, but VERY unfortunately sold it - probably too cheap - to a keen Vintage Lens Collector - I regret that deeply now!
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I opted for the Jupiter 9 F2 85mm after a long debate with myself, and I am thoroughly enjoying the work with it . Fantastic piece of glass 👏 👌
Great video. I have the following M42 mount lenses Pentacon 29mm f2.8, Prinzflex 135mm f2.8 and a Albinar 200mm f3.5. I love them all especially the 29mm
I have had a lot of fun with a Miida 35mm f/2.8-22 Automatic---Japanese, possibly made by Sun or Kawanon
. The distributor of the lens at that time, Marubeni Iida, was a marketing company, not a lens-maker. Miida, which is the contraction of Marubeni Iida, exported lenses to the US during the 1970s. I find this lens to be adequately sharp and it renders interesting backgrounds when shooting wide open. There are a lot of Miida lenses for sale on eBay and other re-seller sites that are quite reasonable in price. I managed to purchase an absolutely pristine copy of this lens for $10.50 US (less than £8.00 UK or just over €8.50), and it has become one of my go-to vintage lenses. Not a great lens, perhaps, but it is certainly quite a good lens (at least my copy) and well worth the low online prices. Of course, I cannot vouch for consistent quality control regarding these lenses--I can only recommend based on the copy that I use.
If we're talking about bargain telephoto lenses you should consider Tair-3S 4.5/300. It's not that bargain with price tag around $100 but performance is absolutely outstanding and this is - considering the quality-to-value ratio - the best vintage telephoto lens I've ever used.
Yes! I actually included it in my video on more expensive lenses (th-cam.com/video/3BfkaLSF_qw/w-d-xo.html) , but it you can find one cheaply, it should be here too.
I recently picked up a clean copy of the Auto Chinon 35mm f2.8, for around $50 aud, very sharp.
A have several of the M42 lenses mentioned, but I certainly would not class any of them as my favourites, and some I wouldn't want to use even if you paid me, including the 50/2.8 Tessar.
My favourite M42 lens which can be used for all types of photography, except perhaps macros, is the Tokina RMC 24mm f2.8. I made my own hood for it and it currently lives on my Sony A7C more than any other lens. It can produce beautifully smooth bokeh, sharp portraits, amazing landscapes, it's great for videography too...A must have lens for those on a budget.
In fact I like the 24mm focal length so much on full frame that I have just ordered the amazing Samyang AF 24mm f1.8 FE to replace it.
I have a Nikon 35mm f1.4 Ai-S for when I feel like using 35mm, which is less and less often these days and a couple more very nice Nikons too but none of them can be classed as bargain lenses.
I use the Nikon 35/1.4, Micro Nikkor 55/2.8 Ai-S and Nikon 105mm f2.5 Ai-S on my A7C via a Lingfoto Nikon F to E adapter.
My favourite 50mm-ish vintage lens though is my Canon FL-SA 55mm f1.2, which I permanently converted to Sigma SA mount (I machined 2mm off it in a lathe so I could get infinity focus when mounted on the SD14)...I now use it on my A7C via a Lingfoto SA to E adapter...I made my own lens hood for that too as the original hoods are now as rare as rocking horse droppings.
My favourite vintage 85mm lens is the Canon FD-SA 85mm f1.2 L, which I have also permanently converted to SA mount...Only it wasn't possible to machine 2mm off it to get infinity like I could with the FL 55/1.2mm, so instead I simply shortened another Lingfoto SA to E adapter by 2mm so it can focus to infinity on my A7C. Obviously the latter lens is hardly classed as a bargain lens, especially as it now regularly sells over £800 on ebay, but I can recommend a much cheaper lens that is also stellar performer...It's the compact and lightweight Mamiya M645 80mm f2.8 medium format kit lens...I made an M645 to SA adapter for it using a Mamiya M645 #1 extension ring, but it could be converted to M42 just as easily. It is easily one of the sharpest portrait lenses I have ever used, yet it is probably the cheapest native lens for the M645 mount. I tried the M645 45mm, M645 150mm and M645 210mm macro and the 80mm beats all of them for sharpness, so I sold them on again and only kept the 80mm.
As for an M42 135mm lens I suppose my favourite has to be my Sigmatel YS "multi scalematic" 135mm f1.8 (with a 77mm filter thread). It's a big heavy lens though and so it doesn't get much use. I use a Sonia Brand 77mm lens hood on it.
If you want a true M42 mount bokeh monster, look out for the Carl Zeiss 180mm f2.8 Sonnar...Smoothest bokeh ever!
My most expensive vintage lens to date is my Helios 81h (h is for Nikon) at $70 but that included shipping from Eastern Europe. Otherwise, most of my lenses cost me from $5-$10 at thrift shops and the broken lens box at my local camera shop. While none of my lenses are museum pieces, there are still some gems in my collection. Some of my favourites include my Nikon S•C 50mm f1.4, the Pentax-M 50mm f1.7, a Helios 44-2, a Tokyo Koki Tele-Tokina 105mm f2.8, a Konica Hexanon AR 52mm f1.8, a Minolta MC Rokkor PF, 50mm f2, a Yashica ML 50mm f2, a Fujinon 55mm f2.2 and a Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f2.8, all of these lenses cost my $5.00 each. Other recent favourites include my Soligor 135mm f3.5 ($5.00), a Bushnell 135mm f2.8 ($8.00), a Hanimex 180mm f3.5 ($20.00) and an Olympus F. Zuiko Auto-T 200mm f5 ($5.00). I also have three Industar lenses that cost me around $30.00 each. For samples from these and other budget, vintage lenses check out my portraits page here: mark-dantonio.imgbb.com/
The Pentax A 35-70mm f/4 is a 7 element zoom. Great sharpness, color and macro. Generally sells for under $50.00. I have 3 copies. Just got a copy of the Takumar 200mm f/3.5 and it is without a doubt, a league into itself.
Have fun with the Takumar! Yes, the Pentax A is good but tends to get overshadowed by the more expensive A 35-105mm.
@@Simonsutak I have never owned the 35-105mm. Zooms tend to leave me flat with a few exceptions. Another is the 24-50mm. Very sharp and contrasty in it's range. At least sharp enough. I prefer it over my 24mm primes. The old M 35-70mm f2.8-3.5 is a surprisingly sharp 7 element lens too.. In both cases they tend to beat the $50 dollars and less category much like the 35-105.. Great videos by the way. Really enjoying them. Picked up the early zebra auto tak 55mm f/1.8 just recently. I have a few 55mm's kicking around. Great lenses. :)
To add onto non-M42 135mm lenses, I picked up a Nikkor-Q 135mm f/2.8 for like $30 last year, and that's still their going price on eBay. Lovely lens when stopped down a smidge, or even shot wide open! It's got some great color and some great bokeh too imo. Definitely worth picking up for a FF camera or a 35mm Nikon body!
The CZJ Sonnar 135 3.5 gets the most use of any lens I use. I absolutely love this lens for floral photography
Those photos from the Optomax 300mm are superb and NatGeo worthy!!
Hello.
I regularly watch your videos. Very well done and very useful. Thank you!
I love historical information.
Clear, informative and very well done as usual. In the ~$50 category I would mention the Industar 61 50/2.8 and the Jupiter 8 50/2.
Thank you. I've been taking a closer look at that Jupiter, I've seen it around quite a lot recently!!
@@Simonsutak the J-8 is very cheap but doesn't stand out imho.
They are both M-39 - so not to be mentioned in an M42 video. I'm quite a fan of Russian lenses. I need to try out my MC Zenitar 50 on a digital camera.
@@Martin_Siegel The industar-61 50/2.8 comes in both mounts - I have an M42 mount copy. The Jupiter-8 comes in M39 and M39+adapter (=M42) mount.
@@jpcalamaro961 Forgot about the Industar 61 but I have never before heard about a Jupiter 8 in Zenit (39mm) SLR mount. I have the Jupiter 11 in 39mm RF mount (LTM) and in 39mm SLR mount.
thank you for helping us on hunting cheap better vintage lenses
What an amazing showcase of great value information. Thank you for summarizing it for the rest of us.
You're welcome, glad you liked it.
Hi there, I just wanted to thank you for your very valuable videos! This is great. And out of your recommendations I just bought as one of my first M42 lenses the Yashinon DS 50mm F1,7 and I just love it for portraits (using it on an Fuji APS-C system). It is a fantastic little gem.
Great! So glad to hear this.
I've got a very light very versatile SMC Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7 fast and quite sharp and dirt cheap, native K mount so no adapter needed for Pentax DSLRs, and also a quite interesting M42 200/f4
Pentacon, which has 15 blades aperture and a focus throw of about 350 degrees.
Fujinon 55mm, f1.8 is a great bargain M42 lens. They can be had easily for under $50 - usually with one of Fujica's ST camera bodies attached. This lens is a bit soft making it great for flowers or casual portraits. It's not very good for landscapes, but it's great closer photography. Seems to pull in blues and greens quite well.
Yes, that Fujinon is good!
I have a nice collection of Takumar and Super Takamar from my Pentax days. I use them in astrophotography because they generally excellent manual lenses, I have a Tair 300mm lens, weighs a ton but excellent as is the Russian Helios 44mm F/2 . I have an excellent Takumar 300mm (rare) pin sharp. Astrophotography is the best way to test any lens. Sharpness and other lenses issues. M42 thread is a common fitting for many modern astrophotography cameras, especially those made by ZWO. I have been collecting Nikkor El lenses as they make excellent lenses for close-up use and they transmit UV well for UV photography as do my old Steinheil. lenses, not an easy track to pursue. Thanks for sharing your wonderful presentation.
I've always been fascinated by telephoto photography, and found what I regard as a vintage bargain in the super-telephoto regime.
I picked up a Zenit 3M-5A for £75 a while back. It's a 500mm F/8 mirror lens.
It's a little soft and produces donut bokeh which many people dislike, but it's a bloody 500mm lens and has good optical quality overall, in my opinion. For £75 this is a small telescope I can carry in my camera bag, and can produce some fun images.
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The radioactive 50mm takumar f1.4 is one of my very best lenses and I own leicas
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Please add your own suggestions for good bargain lenses, and thanks to everyone who already has added lenses. Here are links to the different sections:
2:00 Fisheye and wide angle, less than 35mm
4:34 Classic walkaround 35mm
5:56 Pancakes and 40mm
7:08 Fast fifties
10:38 Macro
11:05 Portrait
13:39 Bokeh monsters 135mm
14:34 Telephoto 150mm plus
Thank you for sharing. The 30/3.5 Lydith was bulit later as a Pentacon 30/3.5 with same lens design - these are usually cheaper than the Mayer-Gerlitz -- but not less good ;-)
Good point. I mentioned the Pentacon version of the Oreston 50mm, but should have mentioned the 30mm f3.5.
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Oreston 50 mm f/1.8 and/or Pentacon 50/1.8 is wonderful on crop sensor. Better color than the Helios and the Bokeh does a busy but fantastic stained glass rendering. Not as critically sharp as other but enough to work wonders on portraits. I really want to pursue more Meyer-Optiklenses.
Helios 44 is better on full frame to me where you can capture the full spherical look of the bokeh though it is wonderfully sharp on crop and does give just about a perfect 85mm equivalent perspective since it's a longer 58mm lens.
Finally the cheap and underrated 135mm lenses on crop are wonderful nature lenses. Long enough (200mm equivalent) to reach birds and wildlife in trees but fast apertures to give wonderful background blur and render specular highlights off leaves for a painterly look.
I came here to find good and cheap 35mm vintage lenses and this man tells me to use my kit lens ...
In all seriousness, thanks for the amazing video! I can't wait to be financially able to try out all the SMC takumars you suggested, especially the 35mm 3.5 😁😁😁
Great content. Just getting started and your videos are great source of content, information and inspiration. Thank you.
I really loved the M42 screw-mount lens, and there are lot and lot of them out there.
I used a Nikon D800 Fx full fame, and with a cheap lens adapter, (M42 to Nikon F-mount).
Super Takuma, Panagor, Pantagon, Fujica, and those great Russian lens.
Been rocking with my Helios 58mm f/2 for five years. Also bought a Pentacon Prakticar 28mm f/2.8 lens and it has that swirly bokeh at its sweet spot. :)
The Communist Lenses certainly make for some weird effects, eh? I got a Helios 44-2 on a Zenit-E I was given, (as soon as my family found out I enjoy film cameras, they used it as an excuse to clean their closets). I like the Zenit-E, it's a weird, unrefined camera that sounds like a silverware cabinet falling over when firing, but that Helios 44-2 is a fun lens to use on either my Zenit or K-mount Pentaxes
Brilliant video. Archiving to watch again.
Olympus OM Zuiko 1970..80s lenses that are omitted in this video for being not M42, beat everything mentioned here. By the way, some original M42 Zuikos do exist.
Old silver-nose 100/2.8 performs at the level of a first generation white Canon 70-200/2.8L IS in terms of sharpness, if not corner falloff and colour rendition. I have a collection of Zuikos - 28/2.8, 50/1.8MC (beats similar QBM-mount Rollei-HFT 50/1.8, which is excellent), 50/3.5MC Macro 1:2 (with extension tubes), 100/2.8 (silver-nose, i.e. first version), 135/2.8, and 35-70/3.6. Mind you that top-range Zuikos (mostly from /2 range, as well as shifts and specialty macro for varifocal tube/bellows - “bellows group” in old Olympus lingo, 20, 38, 80 and 135) are highly sought, can be extremely hard to find and are priced prohibitively, mostly for the reason of being originally produced in rather limited quantities. Lucky are those folks who managed to grab them in 2005..2008 when this glass was really cheap, and keep hold of it.
As for Helios-44, there are almost two dozen modifications by different factories and of different age. Quite notably, when I compared a number of various Helioses of different vintage and made by different factories, none surpassed the original CZJ Biotar 58/2 from 1947 (with 40.5 mm filter thread), which Helios-44 was a clone of. The comparison was done on EOS 5DsR in 2016 with live view. I think I'll repeat it at some point on Sony A7 IV (while it has 1.5 times less pixels, it allows absolutely precise focusing) or maybe with an A1.
T-43 40/4 from Smena 8M is indeed much more interesting than I remember it from my childhood years, but since it was, together with Smena-8M itself, the most mass-produced photographic lens ever, beat only by smartphones that are manufactured in even higher quantities, it has extremely wide sample variability and inherent problems stemming from not only its price but optical design as well. While it is surprisingly sharp in the center, - so sharp in fact, that it could not be imagined or achieved on anything prior to modern mirrorless cameras, - corners greatly suffer from field curvature, which is noticeable even on m4/3 sensors, let alone anything bigger. I have it adapted for Sony mount using an LTM39 helicoid from Industar-26, and this modular conversion allows me to use it on anything that can take LTM lenses.
Ohhh, my favorite. portrait lens The Jupiter 9 85mm. I own two, but prefer the 1966 silver version more then the black 1976 version. It is like an effects lens with it's soft focus. However, it works best for contrast when using a long lens hood. I made mine out of lens filter adapter ring kits with a Takumar 135mm f2.5 lens hood on the end. Awesome! Maybe, people don't use the Jupiter 9 85mm that much is because the subject needs to be far away. I like this lens, but my favorite lens so far is the Fujinon 55mm f1.8 and f2.2 which are great. I have heard that FUJI had the best glass. I think I might have been too quick to judge though.
Yes, I think if I wasn’t invested in other systems, Fuji would be great way to go!
Like I was saying, I think I might have been too quick to judge though.
This last winter 2022 I found some other 50/55mm lenses that are really nice. I get bored when the days are short. I bought most of my lenses during this time of year, each year. I used to buy high end studio mics and I still do if I find a rare deal. So I do mostly lenses these days. My TOMIOKA interest developed after your Tomioka Revuenon silent video.
So these are my 2022 crop.
Olympus OM-System G.Zuiko Auto-S 55mm f1.2
Olympus OM-System Zuiko MC Auto-S 50mm f1.4 Black Nose
Canon FL 55mm f1.2 Fluorite Lens elements 1968
Auto Chinon MultiCoated 55mm f1.4 (TOMIOKA)
Auto Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.4 with M42 Mount TOMIOKA Design
Tomioka Auto Revuenon 55mm f1.4 M42 (TOMIOKA)
Russian ZENITAR-M 50mm f1.7
My favourite is the Nikkor f2.8 135mm AI. Amazing quality.
Yes, that’s a gem! Far better than Canon, Pentax and others. My preference is for the even more modest f3.5 Ai. They’re very close, but I prefer the slower one.
I gotta say, I have the 3.5 pre-ai and its great. 52 filter thread and great optical quality. Good focus throw too. And cheaper than the 2.8, epic
@@Dudeitsbrianhow do you mount this o a lumix camera
Vivitar Series 1
28mm F1. 9 on my Ricoh Singlex TLS camera. Startling bokeh. I have a good lens hood to avoid the spectacular flares.
At my local thrift store, I walked by that Vivitar 75-205 3.8 in a Nikon mount for two weeks. It was in pristine condition, but at $20 it wasn't worth a pointless purchase (doubting I'd ever use it). One day a worker asked what I'd be willing to pay, and I said I'd pay $5, just to be polite. I took it home and put it on my D750 set on a manual b/w.
I took a shot, (what???) corrected focus, took another and my knees went weak. It was like I was the still photographer on the set of Dr. Strangelove.
I guess I've said enough.
My version must be bunk, because it is unusable soft. Shocked ppl are getting anything out of it.
@MichaelPlochmann Does it say, "Series 1"?
@@terryallen9546 No, it doesn't.
the Yashinon-DS 50mm 1.7 and 1.4 were modeled after the contax zeiss 50's, they might perform similarly. these Tomioka-made Yashinons specifically the DS series really go under the radar, despite being really well made and performing lenses. i own the DS 50mm f/1.9 which has the same excellent build quality as your 1.7. great images too!
I picked up the Zhongyi 85/2 for about $80. It's super soft and smooth wide open but produces some nice bokeh. I got one with a Nikon F mount and not M42 but it's worth checking out and is easily adapted to Sony or even a Canon DSLR.
Thank tou very much for talking about Lomo triplet that i convert to m39 mount. Much appreciated!
You're very welcome. Love you channel. It's an inspiration.
And coincidentally today, I was following your videos on cleaning a Tair 11a's blades, plus repairing a Tair 11's blades. I was operating on a Tair 11a, where some of the blades had come out of their positions. Fortunately I managed to get hem back without taking the whole mechanism apart.
I'm in awe at your repair skills, especially live on video! I only repair lenses when I buy lenses "for parts" lenses, cheap, for my own use only.
Wonderful piece, stunning example shots, bravo and sincere thanks, so enjoyable. You covered most of my favourites. I'm a Takumar lover, and the 50 f1.4 has to be mentioned for colour rendering and handling, the 100mm f4 macro (I know the 50 is the one to get for 1:1) for insane sharpness . The 85 f1.9 is sublime, and can match very expensive glass, the 105mm f/2.8 is stunning and rarely gets mentioned, and as you say the 200 f3.5 is just a dream lens. Outside the Taks, I had a soft spot (and soft images) from a Porst 135mm f1.8, which with care can do some magic things, really wish I handn't sold it. The best 28mm I have is the Vivitar series 1 f/1.9, such character and gets sharp and contrasty from f2.8. The only gap I have is for a nice Flektagon 20mm on FF, beautiful rectilinear super wide on FF, and usually < $150. Probably my next lens. I know you packed a lot in, but there are many many of us who started our prime journey with crop sensor and although graduated to FF, still find uses for the smaller sensor. I am new to your stuff so don't know if you're FF only or not, but it would help to talk to the lenses capabilities on crop sensors. I am nit picking :) I know it's not really true, but in a way it fills in your gaps in your lens collection. The Porst 135 f1.8 on crop worked very well for unobtrusive portraits, with something equivalent to 200mm ish FF, but great for indoor and a super narrow DOF. Also hides the more excessive edge softness using just the inner area of the lens on crop. It still blows my mind the lenses on offer to today's photographers for the money. I have one more comment on manual glass on DSLRs. I know it's a bit out there for most, but the focus assist features of Magic Lantern mean that a second hand 550D with a hood loupe on it can be a true marvel for making old glass practical for candid, walkabout and indoors with fast old glass.
Thank you so much for your comments. I use both crop and FF, and I agree - crop works really well for many of my old lenses. All except for the wider angle lenses. And maybe the swirly Helios lenses, as their swirls can be cropped off! And my Sony a6000 crop camera also has good focus assist, which helps a great deal. (Although I wish it had IBIS as the later versions have).
I covered the crop vs. FF discussion in this video: studio.th-cam.com/users/videodRJXbL6dlmU/edit
I'll keep a look out for that Prost 135mm f1.8! Cheers, Simon
I am in love with my Olympus 50mm f3.5 macro lens (even for normal shots). Obscene colors, fantastic micro-contrast, stunning sharpness. Old Minolta lenses can also be quite good (e.g. the 35-70mm f3.5 zoom, version II and III which both are sharp like a prime lens, especially the non-macro version II). In the Helios 44 lens family I prefer the older 44 version with 13 blades over the more mass-produced 44-2 model. Newer Helios versions like the 44-3 up to 44-7 or the 44-M are also worth testing (how you also mentioned in one of your videos) since the quality of these lenses is quite inconsistent and you need time to find a "keeper".
i like the photos from the oreston 50mm. those colors seem to pop nicely after PP'd. thinking about adapting to my canon which already boosts colors a bit-
I'm really liking that Auto-Takumar 55mm 2.2, I always disregarded the older Taks but I really like the rendering out of that one.
I have that Vivitar Close Focusing Auto Zoom 75-205 as well as it's little brother, the 70-150mm f3.8 which has many, if not more, features than a Vivitar Series 1 lens.
I love the Industar 50-2 and the Helios 44. I used these 2 lenses more than any others.
You really know your stuff, that's for sure. Here in the US, it seems like 35mm lenses are very expensive, my only bargains are a Minolta MD, and a Mamiya Sekor. The Minolta is shockingly sharp. I got a Meyer Lydith as a free body cap from a well known English camera dealer years ago, as you say it is sort of a character lens. Here the biggest bargains are Minolta glass, I find lenses in thrift shops and boot sales for almost nothing. The Rokkor lenses have been shocking to me, even the ugly looking examples are pretty great.
I have had lots of luck with Rikinon vintage lenses by Ricoh. Inexpensive when new, and inexpensive in vintage kit as well. I use the excellent 28mm f2.8. A simply delightful lens. I also use the 50mm f1.8. It is very similar to the 50mm f2 Takumar but it is $20 less expensive! They can be had most economically in Pentax K mount.
As usual loved it! Great video. Some of my favorite el cheapo lenses:
-Sigma Mini Wide 28mm F2.8 (first version). - Probably the most poorly manufactured lens I own, but actually produces an interesting bokeh effect. I suspect this is due to some kind of balsam separation that makes its ridiculous bokeh-gons stretch out on one side. This would be great for doing some kind of cyber-punk product shot.
-Piesker 135mm F3.5 - Really low contrast but, I adore the bokeh and the vintage feel. Also, it looks like a rock star on the camera.
-Industar 61L /3 MC 50mm F2.8 - The background blur with pine needles is unreal.
-Auto-Takumar 55mm F2.2 - I agree with your assessment. I love this thing! What an amazing lens.
The next two are not really sub $50USD lenses, but I got them for much less.
-Topcor 35mm F2.8 - Really this falls into the 'got a lucky break' category, as it came free with the camera I bought to acquire its 58mm F1.4 Topcor lens. The 35mm RE Auto is a good lens. Very crisp and the blur provides good separation when there is adequate physical spacing.
-Steinheil Munchen Auto Quinon 55mm F1.9. - I bought this lens two weeks ago for $65 Canadian dollars at an antique shop, which is about 50p in GBP ;). I looked at a popular online auction site, but only noticed a bunch of probably very overpriced "Buy it Now's," so in time I will find out how good of a deal this actually was. Whatever the value, the lens is a godess. The sharpness at centre is excellent. The bokeh is so smooth it nearly competes with the glorious Topcor 58mm F1.4 RE Auto and may yet prove better than my lovely 8 element Takumar 50 F1.4. I'm looking forward to summer and its colours returning so I can see how this lens performs in the wild.
Simon, thanks again for another terrific video!
I should add that the last two lenses are in an Exacta/Topcon mount. Although it appears the Steinheil is available in an M42 mount.
Many thanks for your kind words - much appreciated as always. I've very much enjoyed going through your list of lenses. You have some amazing lenses, just in this list. Do you have a link to Flickr or another site where we can see your photos?
Ironically, I was going to mention the Sigma 28mm but got distracted by the Lydith and Orestegon (lenses that also produce unusual bokeh) and the Yashica, and forgot!!
Good tip for the Industar. It should have been in the video. It's a lens I personally haven't got because I'm so wedded to the first 1:1 Macro-Takumar 50mm f4....but that doesn't mean others shouldn't have a good look at it.
The Steinheil Munchen Auto Quinon 55mm F1.9 looks like a great lens, and you got it at such a great price! It looks like it flares beautifully. The Topcor 58mm is a lens right at the top of the best vintage lenses, but as you write below it's a different mount, and it has escaped my clutches so far.
Cheers, Simon
I do have a flikr account, but it has little content. Historically, I used it for posting photos of vintage motorcycle parts for various forums. This summer, after watching your videos and becoming more interested in Bokeh effects I took down the pictures of bike parts and posted a few pictures where the bokeh interested me. I had a real thing for bubbles this summer. Some day I will have to start posting more there. The channel is: Sin-Aesthetic and features a photo of our cat as its avatar.
I have used several of these lenses extensively -the pentax 135 2.5 and the Lydeth 30mm - but far and away my most used m42 lens is the EBC fuji 55mm 1.8 ...$70...It stays on my Sony A 7R3 body when lenses costing $500 sit on my shelf...
I'm not surprised. I have the non-EBC 55mm f1.8 and it's a very good lens. With its coatings, the EBC is ever better I suppose.
I'd also recommend 2 more lenses from Pentax: the 50mm SMC f1.7 and the 50mm SMC f4 Macro (actually 1:2 or half life size). I use both on my Canon 5D full frame bodies, especially the latter. They're not expensive and I never shoot wide open so the f4 version doesn't matter to me. Small, sharp and lovely colour rendition with plenty of bokeh too.
The SMC M 50mm f1.7 is a wonderful lens!
i got mirror stuck problem while using SMC in 5D m 3 , what is solution
@@vegadneeraj I had to chop off the aperture lug at back on my SMC lenses to avoid fouling the mirror.
@@jameswburke do you have any video about it? How can I do?
@@vegadneeraj Use sidecutters to chop it off flush and hold it upside down to file it smooth so filings don't go inside the lens. I've done it with 3 SMC lenses.
Hey Simon :) thanks for the nice Video, 9:55 you mentioned the radioactive Yashinon-DS 50/1.7... When someone have a problem with radioactivity and still would like to buy this type of lens he could buy the previous model, the Yashinon-DX50/1.7. I have it and testet mine and it is´nt radioactive. I dont know if it is performance wise the same but still for the price ( I payed for an almost mint copy 17€ with shipping) its worth a try 😉
My best bargain.... 🤔 I would asume my Fleki " imposter german Flektogon Zeiss 35/2.8" bought it for 20€, fungus, haze and bend aperture construction at least the focus was working😅... let me put it this way... I had an interesting loooong weekend (now its like new)🙃
I have medium format lenses (Mamiya - Pentax, etc.) that I've adapted to my Fujifilm XE-3 and they are a great option, as well.
My first ventage lens is MC Sonnar 3,5/135 Carl Zeiss Jena DDR, i love in this lens. It`s a monster of bokeh monsters.
Great lens to start with!
Wow so many lenses.... I do love the Pentax Takumar 135mm f3.5, taken some good pictures with that. One of my particular favourite lenses I got for 55 pounds was the Konica hexicon 50mm f1.4 that thing produces the most beautiful pictures... I have definitely become a fan of vintage lenses over the years.
I have the modern lenses for vlogging but do enjoy my vintage lenses for Filmaking to.
I’ve just got the Helios 35 and the mir1 to add to the collection awaiting arrival...
The Takumar 135mm performs well on my Fuji xt3
Besides the Helios 44 (m in my situation) my best and often used barraging was an Canon FD 135mm 2,8 for 49€.
I must recommend the overlooked 100mm focal length for portraiture as an alternative to 85mm. There are some great options there. In particular the 100mm version of the Pentacon/Meyer Optik Orestor. It's actually sharper and renders better Bokeh than the 135mm version, and If you're using it on APS-C crop factor sensor with a dumb adapter you get close enough to the field of view and equivalent focal length of a 135mm lens (As a side note: with the same set-up, a 55-58mm Prime will give you close enough to the same results of an 85mm portrait). I got my Orestor 100mm for £40 on ebay because it had sticky blades.
Good recommendation. I like the Meyer Optik Orestor 100mm as well, and prefer 100mm to my 85mm lenses (on FF and crop). I have the older multi-bladed zebra version, but it cost me three times your sticky blades version. I've not found a bargain 100mm lens sadly.
Good value selection! If you ever find the 70's "Sears" labeled lenses, grab 'em. They rebranded Tomiko and Yashica lenses. I think they were available in M42 and their camera (Pentax?) mount.
The 200mm f3,5 Takumar is one heavy brass lens. It was way better in contrast and colour than Leitz Telyt. Mine was Magnum photographer! It was faster than. Nikon's 200mm f4.Yes! 1/2 f stop was important when Ektachrome Hi-Speed was 160 ASA (ISO)! Oldies are goldies..
I recently acquired two strange lenses that I had never heard of, a Komura Sankyo Koki 135mm f2.8 in M42, with 15(!) blades, and a Sonagar 135mm f3.5 in Minolta mount with 10 blades. I got them both at a camera club sale, $5 for the Komura and $3 for the Sonagar. The Komura is a bokeh beast, while being very small and lightweight. I have really enjoyed shooting with this lens. It really does rival my Pentacon 135mm f2.8 (Auto MC version). The Sonagar is unremarkable, but it's the best $3 lens I own. I did notice that there seem to be quite a few Sankyo KOHKI lenses out there, but mine is spelled KOKI, which I find odd. I didn't know anything about it when I bought it, although I do own a Komura Komuranon 820 80-200 f4.5 zoom that performs very well, and I assume that the Sankyo Koki is a much older lens. it has been a joy to shoot with.
Thank you so much for this great video, truly a treasure
Thank you!
My current favorite old lens is an ancient m42 threaded 135mm f/2.8 by Lumetar (I know nothing of them). It is so crude with a 6 blade aperture and it cost me $10. The proper adapter cost more than the lens and almost doubles it's length Ha Ha... but using it is pleasant and the images make me happy.
Any love for the vivitar 50mm f1.9? It came with my vivitar 400SL with a 200mm f3.5 that I haven’t shot much film with but love the look adapted to my digital camera. Not so much with the 50mm… I will say that the 50mm produces some nice bokeh, that may even be a tad swirly. I haven’t shot wide open on film yet but it’s very present adapted to digital…
Worth a look since the 50 goes for incredibly cheap on eBay and is reasonably sharp stopped down.
So helpful. Really felt like I learnt a lot here. I have just recently bought a Helios 44m to dip my toe in the vintage lens world and am already smitten. So this helps me think about what next. Thank you!
Can agree with the Pentacon 50 1.9 (i got two for free) but 100% worth the £20/£30 price tag fast, sharp and rather cheep.
I would recommend the Hanimar Auto S 135mm F2.8. Great bokeh, lovely warm colours and also sharp from 2.8 Also, the Hanimex Tele-Auto 135mm f2.8, not as nice in colour rendering as the Hanimar, but razor-sharp from wide open
would love to see a video on the truly unique hidden gems that you know off!
I wish I saw your video earlier in my lenses shopping, I ended buying 2 lenses from 7 artisans, a macro and a wide angle. looking now for a decent bokeh for portraits with my eos m50
Just picked up a Tamron SP90mm F/2.5 for £50 which is a terrific lens on my Em1 MkII and would suit any digital or film camera I think. It also does 1:2 macro and with an extension will do 1:1.
I recently got a Rikenon 55mm f1.4 (M42) for 20 bucks... 100% recommend!
Thanks for the recommendation. That's a great price for a 55mm f1.4!
Ricoh have never had the facilities to make their won lenses and still don't. I am fairly certain this is a Tomioka lens and is excellent.
@@geoffreypiltz271 I believe you are right, I heard it was made by Tomioka although I can’t confirm that.
the Fujinon 55mm F1.8 is a nice lens and pretty common ..compered to my Canon FDn 50 F1.4 it has less fringing smother Bokeh and maybe a little sharper than the canon at F2 although i have not done any formal testing ..i have plenty of 50/55mm f1,6 to f2.2 lenses that i have not tested out yet but i am looking for anther F1.4 as i am not rally happy with the Bokeh of the FDn 50 F1.4
I'd only add the jupiter 21m at the telephoto range, that lens is really sharp and alot of fun to use
I recently got my first Meyer Optik lens, and was very surprised with how it performed. Sounds like I have a few more I need to look at!
Yes!
@@Simonsutak Meyer-Optik Goerlitz Orestor 135mm f/2.8 (the 15-bladed version) - beautiful lens for portraiture; I got lucky and acquired my copy (including a leather-bound case) for just £30 from a charity shop. Adapts really well to my Canon EOS 6D, and indeed also to my three EOS 35mm film cameras.
I'm looking for a good low-cost 35mm prime on M42 mount, with the intention of shooting in low light; do you know of any really fast primes (f/2 or faster) that would fit that description?
@@graemeporter good-cheap-fast - pick 2 :-)
@@rolltrollroll Haha, true! I figure pretty much any M42 mount 35mm fast prime would come in cheaper than Canon's own EF 35mm f/2 or f/1.4L lens though; even used copies of those are quite expensive.
Currently I use my Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD for most street photography, and I like the 35mm focal length - but a nice fast prime would be a lot lighter, and hopefully I can find one that will let in more light for good low-light shots - preferably without breaking the bank!
@@graemeporter Or just try Flktogon 35/2.4 - just a half stop slower than Takumar 35/2 but just absolutely amazing colors
Wow, what a great video! So much info, my head is spinning. Thank you
A great video! I have been trying out the Helios 44-2 on my Fujifilm X-T3.........Absolutely love it! Will definitely be looking into of your advised lenses:)
Great video and a wonderful way to spend 15 minutes! Great tips on where to find them as well. Always worth trying inexpensive lenses, you never know how good a rendering they may provide!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
I love your videos. Thanks so much for sharing! I’m just getting into vintage lenses and this is extremely helpful. Thanks again!
Sankor 105mm f/2.5 would be the bargain lens that surprised me the most. It's a T-mount, but usually comes with m42 mount.
I had a set of Pentax lenses - 35/3.5 I think (not worth it compared to kit lens), 50/1.7 (great), 50/2.0 (never tried it), and a Takumar-Bayonet 135/2.5 (which was great when at 2.8, at 2.5 it was low contrast).
Used them oin a focal reducer, and the 135 made some great portraits.
Sold them on, have a bit of a regret for the 135.Bought th elot for 45 euro, sold it on for the same price.
01:47 I think I saw that photo on another website before. It must have been part of a blog/article about the Zenit 3m, I think. I might be off here. But I know I've seen this particular photo somewhere else, not too long ago.
Anyways, if you took that photo, respect. It's beautiful.
Hi. Yes, I took this photo. Thanks for the tip, interesting. I wonder where it was?! It'll be like searching for a needle to a haystack to find out where. Generally, I'm pleased if people use my images in blogs/articles....as long as its referenced.
It was quite a relaxing article to read. At that time I was thinking of getting me one of those. Yet the article convinced me to overthink, since the author said that his 3M literally apart after a few clicks.
I myself have never used an analog camera (besides that cheap plastic thing my parents gave me, when I was a child). I'm a late millennial, after all. But I love oldschool lenses. Currently I'm all over my Chinon 50mm F1.4. Not as good as the Minolta Rokkor 50mm F1.4, in my opinion. But still a very lovely lens.
There's just something about oldschool lenses, that I like better, in comparison to their modern day counterparts.
Well crafted video sir. Kudos
I have a Sigma SDQH, and my lenses are a Spiratone 28mm F2.8 and an Soligor 35-105mm F3.5. Aside from Kipon’s $50 M42 to SA Mount Adapter, the two lenses costed $80. Since my camera is an APS-H, I have taken the crop factor of 1.3 into account before purchasing. To be honest, I believe I saved a lot rather than buy Sigma SA Lenses. PS: Both lenses are Like New, Incredibly Mint Condition. The Spiratone may be Radioactive as the glass is yellow. Lol
Konica Hexanons are rarely talked about and some of my favorite lenses. Especially the 40mm pancake and the 57mm f1.2.
They are amazing, but they are certainly not sub-$50 lenses.
@@alun7006 the Konica 40mm f1.8 can often be had for under $50.
I was lucky with the 57mm as if was attached to a camera at a yard sale. Owner didn't know what they had, snagged it up for $20. Probably my best thrifting deal I've come across camera wise.
@@brentjamesonparker I have never seen the 40 for anything close to $50.
@@alun7006 are you in the US? Maybe it's just in the US. There are currently more than 5 copies up on ebay for under $50.
Hey! Can you do a video on adaptors and getting various lenses to work with your set up?