@@quinbomcfly8354 its kind of ironic how theyre technically preaching propaganda but at the same time this song is the furthest thing from propaganda since they made it so fucking disturbing lmao
Seriously, how the hell do you come up with "Dogmatic Christian TV personified as a seraph made of TV static that screams recordings of preachers at you as you fight it" as a boss idea. I hope the people making these games get paid well.
This entire game is about severe trauma of a small child caused by his mother's blind, literal, unquestioning, and incredibly toxic interpretation of the Bible and Christian teachings without ever questioning some of its more fucked up lessons This boss is a metaphoric powerhouse that is intentionally designed to portray these things as terrifying, which they are, ESPECIALLY in this context
To be honest, i didnt know what Dogma meant. I thought when you spelt it backwards, it spelt "AM God." Since it came out of a TV, i thought it was symbolism that the religion was corrupting isaac's mother, literally staying up until the A.M. hours watching religious television.
of course, the christian broadcasts... i am genuinely scared of those toxic preachers. i feel like if i say no they'll come out of the tv and try to kill me.
This boss made me realize how all of Isaacs nightmares are material, only Delirium and Dogma are concepts, the only fights where Isaac faces the actual problem
Hush could also fall under that category since it is Isaac's desire to have died in the womb manifest, in fact a lot of major bosses besides Mega Satan could be considered too (the reason why not is cause Edmund straight up said he's just a super boss, no lore)
@@2445elijah I like to think Hush going into the cathedral and sheol is actually just a quality of life feature and not relevant to the lore, so Hush can only go to the Void
Don’t forget Mother, that’s dealing with real issues because it’s one of the few times we see the truth unfiltered through Isaac’s eyes. Even if the battle itself is fake, the meaning behind it was true.
I like how the “Living in the Light” psalm is used almost as a chorus. The fact that they are actually delivered slightly different lends to the idea that Mom watched so much of this stuff that she was watching different preachers delivering the same psalms.
I think the "no temptation has taken you..." part serves a similar purpose; the initial version repeats twice, and then a different translation (I think King James?) is used at the end ("there hath no temptation taken you...")
Sadly, fear mongering has become a desperate attempt for some Christians to try and grab followers. I demonstrate by example, shouldn't have to make someone live in fear to believe in an afterlife.
I think it's implied in a floor loading screen that the voice was the Lost. Why the Lost wants Isaac dead, I don't know, but the reason she believed it was God was because of religious dogma.
@@salvadorelastname9095 it's probably just Isaac self-berating himself. He thinks he deserves to die and suffer, so he imagines himself saying all those horrible things to his mother about himself. With repentance a lot of old stuff got basically retconned.
Ridiculon does the sfx/sound design too, so it makes a lot of sense that they considered them to go well with the music. Everyone involved made such a fantastic job with this boss, it's unreal
The fucking scariest thing about this, isn't the boss, or the fact that Isaac's mom was listening to an insane preacher the whole time... It's the fact that this was done so well, That I honestly thought they just took clips from Kenneth Copeland and threw them into the song because it sounded that accurate to him.
@@ApexGale "Are you sure that's how you want the story to end, Isaac? I mean it's your story. Kinda threw me under the bus at the end there. Here. Try again, buddy."
The televangelists screaming overlayed with the guitars create this profoundly chilling effect. It kind of feels like you're going up against the wrath of a vengeful god.
Fun fact:dogmas sprite will actually start to become fuzzy like it encountered a signal error if you use an item like lodestone and magnetize dogma or it’s tv
Damn, TBOI had some great moments but this shit literally gives me chills. I wonder why this is not the final boss, it would make perfect sense. This is where it all started and where it should end
Well it’s cannon Isaac is dead. I like to think of his ascent upwards and fight to dogma (then the beast) is just him coming to terms with the trauma in his life before he goes. So lore wise it makes a lot of sense to end at dogma, but Isaac only finds rest after he defeats the beast. He thinks he’s inherently evil, and hates that. He needs to kill the beast inside of him before he truly finds peace and can let go and finally die. Granted Edmond will never spill the exact story and everything is up to speculation.
The Beast is also Isaac facing off against his mom for the final time, if you look closely at the bottom of the sprite you can see it’s wearing her dress!
@@planetsliveinsidethemoon1600 yeah I noticed that before but I've never seen anyone say anything about it so I've always just thought maybe I was just looking to much into it.
This theme is absurdly intense for what started as a little flash game about a crying baby fighting living poop and his mom lmfao. God I love this game.
As someone who grew up in a Christian household, went to Christian school K-12 this hits home. My parents got divorced because my dad has a drinking problem and stopped being Christian. My mom was and still is hardcore Christian. School was awful and all these types of things I’ve heard irl. It’s like a cult to me. Goddamn Ed, your hitting close to home bud. Keep it up, your giving me ideas.
Delta 9-87 more/less OK. I’ve been living with my dad for a while after rebuilding our relationship. Currently finishing high school (never finished cause of the Bs) in hopes to find a decent job and start my career. Still talk to mom as she’s died down with religion a lot, although it’s still very noticeable; I still love her regardless tho, she’s my mom. Isaac definitely had it way worse than me, I’ve been able to recover quite a bit and have some ideas for things; I have a game I want to make and go ham on, a mix of HP lovecraft and Christianity, showing how I feel about it all (don’t wanna spoil my own shit now LoL). That’s the goals Rn, get better job by finishing high school so I can fund and start working on my passion project. Both Isaac and Hyper light drifter are huge inspirations, HLD is also very Similar for me as I also struggle with pretty bad asthma and relate to the protagonist a lot.
Dogma is my favorite boss. Ever. The delivery, graphic and sound design, the music, the concept all of these things are executed perfectly. I knew whatever I was gonna encounter next was gonna be crazy when I saw the blue tint of the tv from the door on the left corridor but holy hell this was way better than anything I could have hoped. I mean take a look at the transition cutscene when you sleep in moms bed with static stuff. I LOVE how the background changes to this amazin ruined dark house, I love the chanting in phase 2 and when you defeat it that goddamn tv turn off effect jus made me blast serotonin up my ass. The team put so much love and effort and creativity in this boss and I feel as every other dev should care about their game as much as TBOI team has. Cheers Ed :D
It's a really really well-designed bossed, and thematically I think it should have been expanded upon to be the real final boss. I get what Ed was going for with The Beast, but say a third and maybe fourth stage to dogma would have been the cream of the crop. It fits so well with the theme, the music is fucking amazing, its sound effects almost go along with the music, and its visual design is awesome. Truly cheers to Ed.
I honestly still don't entirely understand why the beast even exists in the first place. It just feels weird for Dogma to become a part of Isaac who then turns into an angel. Otherwise, I like the ending.
Dogma is the true enemy and he wasn't really defeated. He got inside Isaac in the form of yet another attribute of his (an ITEM) pushing him to defeat an enemy that doesn't exist (The concept of the beast and the horsemen that before Dogma he saw just as things used agains't him)
Literally everything about this boss is fucking sick. The music, animations, attacks, sound effects, and those tv static brimstone attacks are just so cool to me.
@@babaskarma1981 It makes a distinct sound when it fires Brimstone and it only shoots it in the 4 cardinal directions. Stay in between two of them and switch between them but not too close or the laser will hit you. Easy to do once you get the hang of it.
2:37 - 3:00 The energetic list of the sins, the way he delivers the line after, blasphemy against the holy spirit, and the leitmotif of the main theme just harshly fuzzing around right after. Mmmm that is the kinda shit I like to hear in my boss music.
unfortunatly you dont hear so much dogma's voice, among all of the stuff going on, its sad becouse it is pretty good, you only really hear it when he's doing an attack
I kind of like the idea that delirium is the boss Isaac gets if he doesn't open the chest and suffocates. While Dogma is the boss he gets if he actually pushes the lid open and ascends rather than delve deeper into his mind to escape the issues.
because the boss fight is supposed to be televangelists aka radical crazy people who think the world is going to end, that we all need to give our entire savings to the church, and that the only way for god to love us is to donate money and be sinless
The first time I faced Dogma I had a lot of trouble Not only because he is hard for an average player like me, but also because I was too busy headbanging to this music
the bible quotes behind the music while you’re trying to survive this bullet hell and intense boss is absolutely amazing, this game never fails to give such a strong atmosphere
Dogma is amazing even without it's main concept Take out the main message and you still have a slimy anomaly made of the static contained in the TV, crawling away from the screen, shouting all your dogmas, your sole beliefs you cannot prove but you always follow in your life in the shape of the voices and/or words that showed you them for the first time.
I was talking about Dogma. The whole game without it's symbolic meaning would be "Kid goes into shitcave, discovers the power of self harm and literally fucking dies" It would stop being sad and would become hilarious like Meat boy
Critics maybe. But the game awards (the only gaming award show that has any industry power) doesnt really have awards for old games or updates. I think maybe a dlc but idk
As a fan of The Binding of Isaac who is also a Christian. This has to be my favorite boss fight. The reason being is that Dogma represents the lunatics who use the bible to put themselves in a high position of power by using fear to trick people who don’t know better. These lines being from the bible represents that because most of these are taken out of context thus creating a whole new meaning. People like this however are a minority and many Christians including myself have tried to help people understand this is not what Christianity is supposed to be. Were a religion built on love and peace not fear. Isaac’s mother is an accurate depiction of what happens when you devote yourself to this Dogma. My goodness, This game is an absolute masterpiece. Edit: This is why I never share my religion on the internet. Please wear a hazmat suit when entering the reply section for this comment. It’s for your safety. And if your going there to reply to my comment trying to deconstruct my religion, please actually criticize my religion and not the church. There two completely different things and please read my comment. I literally said evangelists are almost all terrible people thus I’m most likely not an evangelist. Actually please do criticize my religion. I love having my views challenged and my philosophies changed which will make me a better person.
Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ Built on love and peace, my ass. If you sin and sin and never repent, you will go to hell. No amount of love or peace for your fellow man will change his fate. All are subject to judgement by God and god alone.
I’m more than certain that Dogma is meant to be the False Prophet. I mean, we have The Beast, and obviously Satan and the Four Horsemen. All meant to instill fear, pain, and the breaking of spirits to anyone that would dare to refuse giving their entire being to their “lord”.
I remember when I first fought Dogma and when I finally beat the TV phase and the lyrics kicked in the first thing I hear was “THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMIIING” and that alongside the angelic chorus that plays when Dogma goes into its second form still stays with me many fights later
BUT IF WE ARE LIVING IN THE LIGHT AS GOD IS IN THE LIGHT THEN WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH EACHOTHER AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS HIS SON CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH BUT IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS TO HIM HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL WICKEDNESS AND SO I TELL YOU EVERY KIND OF SIN AND SLANDER WILL BE FORGIVEN BUT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN IMPURITY LUST AND EVIL DESIRES DON’T BE GREEDY FOR A GREEDY PERSON IS AN IDOLATOR WORSHIPPING THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD BECAUSE OF THESE SINS THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING NO TEMPTATION HAS OVERTAKEN YOU EXCEPT WHAT IS COMMON TO MANKIND AND GOD IS FAITHFUL HE WILL NOT LET YOU BE TEMPTED BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN BEAR FITS OF RAGE SELFISH AMBITION DISSENSIONS FACTIONS AND ENVY DRUNKENNESS OR***S AND THE LIKE I WARN YOU AS I DID BEFORE THAT THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
@@artisticgarbage708 "sir,did you selled the plan to him?" "No cuz he is screaming about blasphemy against the holy Spirit and other hardcore religious crap"
You defeat the indoctrination that held you inside the box. Instead of rejecting it completely, you take it as a source of inspiration as the box around you shatters and you discover the power you hold over how things will truly be. And then your story finally ends... and many others begin.
In a more cynical take: You fight the indoctrination, it seems like you're finally free. But dogma wins in the end, and drafts you into the same delusional battle against sin that your mother was fighting.
@@cardboardhed1967 except it probably, ironically, made Isaac fit for heaven. From what the ending suggests he did make his way to peace in the afterlife.
@@cardboardhed1967 Isaac is an innocent child, given how harmless and artistic his demeanor seems to be. It would be more accurate to say that he understands what true “evil” looks like in the context of both religion and human behavior, by the end of this fight. however it could also be a metaphor for if Isaac should survive the experience, he’d potentially continue the cycle of abuse in his own way. Perhaps by becoming a stalwart atheist and shunning all forms of belief or by frantically trying to protect his own kin from what could be construed as “Satanic” or evil, the same as his mom but perhaps less ill-inclined.
Dogma also happens to be the strongest. The Beast is the concept of cleansing, while Dogma is the one that instaurates this enemy in Isaac's mind, even going as beyond as defeating Isaac without the need of a fight. Isaac absorved the Dogma, he embraced it as a perk and not something to defeat... Grave mistake.
My favorite boss, truly amazing, you just feel so hyped up as you're fighting him with the preachers screaming and the music all together just so good, i wish it was a final boss by itself
Other Bosses: - Same music - Redundant HP Bar - Okay moves - Could use a few buffs - Either a pile of flesh or just poop Dogma: - Fucking awesome music - Beautiful static HP Bar - Never seen before move-set - Actually puts up a challenge - Shifts from a small fetus/microphone to a biblically accurate angel
@@DrGandW That's unfortunate. I haven't gone through much of the Repentance content yet but Dogma's attacks do seem pretty brutal. Good luck with that by the way
@@kyphosis_9763 Oh I managed to squeeze through the Beast route with Lost thanks to Dead Cat. It actually revives you in the same room during the Beast fight instead of kicking you out. Noooot looking forward to trying it with Tainted Lost who doesn’t even get Dead Cat spawns unless you use the new Spindown Dice. That Static Laser... imagine if the Bloat could laser up, had homing like the Adversary and could switch directions mid laser. Being in any cardinal direction from Dogma in his first phase is just asking for it. And the Flying Halo is half a minute of frantically trying to find a perpendicular direction to run from where he’ll fly at you from offscreen and then dodging the feathers that pop out in all directions as he does so. i had 0.65 speed with Tainted Lilith in a run and turns out the attack becomes straight up undodgeable at that speed because of the velocity at which he comes at you so even though I had a strong build he did the attack twice in a row and I lost because you can barely even damage him during that attack
this is basically those Televangalists combining together into a small static fetus thing, coming together to smite you with their craziness. yeah, no wonder Mom went crazy, and the Dad left. but we have to feel bad for them
THIS IS THE BEST BOSS. THE SYMBOLISM. THE FRANTIC FIGHT ITSELF. THE SICK AESTHETICS. THE SOUND DESIGN. AND WE FINALLY HAVE A BIBLICAL ANGEL. IT'S HORRIFYING. IT'S SACRED. IT'S A BEAUTY I HAD FEARED FOR YEARS INCARNATED. THEY'RE PERFECT.
what's so unique about this theme is that it lacks the feeling of dread or regret in the other themes. This is a straight up brawl. And for good reason: The Home ending is Isaac realizing what the problem behind his suffering was. The Christian Broadcasts that made his mother turn to dogmatic abuse stemmed from religion as a coping mechanism. The problem wasn't Isaac's mother and not really his dad either. It was dogma. It was Dogma. And now, Isaac is going to purge that Dogma straight at the source.
It was his father. All the gambling and alcoholism had nothing to do with religion, he did all of that to himself. Magdalene, seeing her family falling apart, turned to religion as a coping mechanism. He's definitely the one at fault.
@@orions2908yeah ngl the father was probably the biggest shit here. He wasnt groomed by a tv or hypnotised or any of that shit. He willingly stole money from his wife, gambled it, and then ditched his family.
i think this boss is proof that execution matters more than how original the idea is if you asked me in 2014 what i thought the final-for-real-seriously-actually-final-this-time boss of isaac would be, i would probably guess some manifestation of the christian broadcasts that isaac's mother watched, i might have even been able to predict some sort of ascent sequence into something like the home bit but holy shit i had CHILLS the whole way up. what a fucking amazing finale to this decade-long experience edmund roped us all into
I am so grateful for this game. I can't tell you the existential crises i was subjected to with in church and sunday school as a child. Not saying religion is bad, but when i was Christian i was living in fear.
As a Christian myself, I find this kind of preaching, and televangelism, to be rather disgusting. The Holier-than-thou attitude, spouting about how anything not relating to Christianity is satanic, not even believing what they preach, drilling this awful, holier-than-thou mindset into people, and twisting the words of what should be what brings family's together and give faith to those who need it, instead tears families apart and makes you feel like you need to be perfect or else you'll go to hell. I feel horrible for anyone who had to grow up on this fundamentalist kind of preaching. Edit: Yes I get the message from the game that forced religion is bad. I was trying to say that I think people should believe what they want to believe and not be forced to believe in something. I also get that the bible is actually super fucked up. What I meant was using religion as an excuse to be an asshole, like the whole "You can't be gay because god says so!" Even though god destroyed people because they were corrupt, not for being gay. (Also I personally believe god wouldn't give a shit about who you want to sleep with, since god loves everyone and created everything there's no way he's gonna draw the line at sexuality). 2nd edit: I really wanna delete this but I'm not a coward. I understand that I am a fool. Have a nice day.
"Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’" From the words of Christ himself, doesn't seem like his goal was to bring families together. If anything this preaching is indicative of the preaching of Christ himself.
You are aware every line in this song is a direct quote from the bible, right? The song was just presented to us in a televangelism style. Let me show you: But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. < John 1:7 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. < John 1:8 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness < John 1:9 I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I could be missing yours though. So if I have, please do clarify for me so I can better understand.
@@ASimpleObserver 1 you made your point like they were bad 2 its the tone they use these phrases and what these holier than though preacher will twist these words to mean that is the bad thing
IMPUNITY, LUST, AND EVIL DESIRES These were the ingredients chosen to create the perfect SEXUAL IMMORALITY But GOOOOOD added an extra ingredient to the concoction: *BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT*
Something small I noticed is that occasionally, the preachers change which version of the Bible they're quoting. 0:27 New Living version of 1 John 1:7 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin." 1:51 King James Bible version of 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin."
i was listening this with earbuds and the preaching felt like it was moving from left to right. i wonder if this is how isaac felt, constantly surrounded by insane preachings of God.
I did my best to type out all the lyrics. Most of what is said in this isn’t too accurate to the actual verses, but I did what I could so hopefully this helps! But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Cleanses us all from sin If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and not living in the truth, but if we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all wickedness And so I tell you, every kind of sin is standing to be forgiven, the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven Impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be Greedy, for a Greedy person is an idolater, worshipping the things of this world Because of these sins, THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear Fists of Rage, Selfish Ambitions, Dissensions, Factions, and Envy. For ugliness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Purifies us all from sin For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our lord But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Cleanses us all from sin If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and not living in the truth, but if we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all wickedness PRIDE, GREED, WRATH, ENVY, LUST, GLUTTONY AND SLOTH So put to death the sinful earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear Vengeance is mine! “I will repay,” says the lord There hath no temptation taken you but as is common to man, but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above all
Consider this then. Every single one of us is led by fear, and that’s not even all religion. Are you afraid of work because its hard? To pursue your passions? To voice yourself from your true, inner mind? Then you’re afraid and you’re leashed to that fear like a dog(ma). Fear is the real enemy of Isaac, and the sooner you let go of it the sooner you’ll be free.
Idk how most of the comments here are anti christianity or assume the game is when it defeats the purpose of all the symbolism and blatantly ignores the fact that the game is about christians not christianity itself, hence this fight being called dogma and not christianity or something fully representative of what it would be in that context. The purpose of the verses used in the music is to convey the bastardization of the radical shows Isaac's mom watched and then indoctrinated him on, which is entirely separate from the vast majority of christians, which is why the game cannot be anti-christian, because it's only targeting part of the christian group. Imo this fight represents Isaac finally getting over the false dogma radical christian broadcasts (the type that sell holy water and such) impose on his and his mother's life, be it the canon ending or not. Some people say this is Isaac casting off god as a whole, but this doesn't make sense considering the divine intervention situation at the end of the beast fight with the lightning bolt. I think this interpretation is the most positive for Isaac's life even if only retrospectively, considering people found victim of radical broadcasts of the type *strongly* implied to be those Isaac's mother watches (especially by these voice lines in that distinct preaching style) can be very very hard to overcome for people who realize they're being used or their beliefs are being bastardized in some fashion. If what I'm interpreting was the intent, I'm pretty happy with it and I think it's pretty mature considering the otherwise straightforward natures of the other religion-based bosses of the game.
Finaly someone who gets it. Edmund McMillen said so himself, that the game reflects both the uplifting and the destructive side of Christianity he witnessed when growing up. To add to what you said, there are many so called "Mega Churches" and such that aims to trick people who want to be Christians into radicalization, so they will listen to whatever the pastor tells them, including giving away their money. The moment I heard this song I thought they were quotes taken from the Prosperity Church. They don't teach what the Bible says is important, but whatever they can teach to either scare or lull people into paying them.
@@minmangful Absolutely, I had the same thought about Prosperity, and thanks for the sentiment of me getting it lmao. I think it's easy for this to hit home for people considering how common radical christians can be especially with the elderly, which is probably the only reason I thought about it this hard.
Agree 100%. I personally feel that Dogma shows us how much Edmund views on religion have changed since the original inception of TBOI. While in the flesh version we had a pretty biased view, born from Mc’Millen experiences in a religious onward, we now see that said view has mellowed out, and is more nuanced: it’s not all religion, is those dogmatic and repressive aspect that are dangerous for a child, if not society itself. Dogma should have been the final boss imho: it’s just too perfect both in gameplay and storytelling. Plus, this theme is a banger!
Shoutout to Dogma for being the coolest fucking character concept ever in media in ways of portrayal and concept Isaac's Mother looked onto these tele-evangelical channels more highly than she did her own son. It would make sense why it's a fetus of static, as I'm sure Isaac just thinks Mother has more love in these preachy antics than him Also the theme fucking goes off despite not being anything crazy. It doesn't need crazy to tell the story of why this thing is "bad" It's just jumbled ramblings of a crazy preacher. Chopped speeches that are almost in a sense brainwashing with how they are explained I'm fully convinced Isaac's Mother didn't hear a legitimate Angel, but was so numbed to these channels that she took their statements to HEART. Putting pieces together in her head to make the decisions that were supposedly an Angel's requests to make God happy. Isaac sees it as a enemy because it turned his Mothers mind into the static it is smothered in. With a sickening halo on top
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@@DrZaiusDrZaius-xp5fw YEA NI
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WE ARE THE NIGHTS WHO SAY NI!
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@@rolandcsoli3889 Yeah
Yes. I do listen to static and scary bible quotes on my free time
death grips but religious propaganda
@@quinbomcfly8354 its kind of ironic how theyre technically preaching propaganda but at the same time this song is the furthest thing from propaganda since they made it so fucking disturbing lmao
How could you tell?
That is what I’m doing right now.
i'm pretty sure most of the lines are not quotes from the bible
don't at me tho
Seriously, how the hell do you come up with "Dogmatic Christian TV personified as a seraph made of TV static that screams recordings of preachers at you as you fight it" as a boss idea. I hope the people making these games get paid well.
we paid them
It's actually meant to look like a fetus
Well its second form is a messed up Biblical angel
@@SirBroadsword less messed up and a much less scary version of a biblically acurrate one. they say 'be not afraid' but I am VERY afraid of them.
This entire game is about severe trauma of a small child caused by his mother's blind, literal, unquestioning, and incredibly toxic interpretation of the Bible and Christian teachings without ever questioning some of its more fucked up lessons
This boss is a metaphoric powerhouse that is intentionally designed to portray these things as terrifying, which they are, ESPECIALLY in this context
Dogma is such a fucking awesome boss
YEP
@Julo Micha Exactly!!!
I wish he was stronger and creepier, like hush
@@outerfun5310 already is wtf
@@eltiolavara9 well, i like hush, his theme, fight and music
Early game Isaac lore: My mom put me in a basement :(
Late game Isaac lore:
Atheist child VS. satan’s uncle, splooge blob, splooge blob but suffocating in the floor, static fetus dude, and some weird three eyed demon blob
@@NotAMoron42the 3 eyed demon blob is what isaac sees his mom as (a beast)
@@lianneroban9906 and angry anthro sheep skeleton
@@NotAMoron42he isnt athiest he regularly makes deals with devils and angels.
Hes been essentially brainwashed into thinking theres only 2 paths in life. Hell and heaven. Hense the deals@@JD-bk6vf
_Dogma:_ A set of rules, beliefs, or opinions laid down by a group, the members of which unquestionably follow it.
hell na..
Fitting name to what I assume is indoctrination incarnate
Dogma balls
A man who doesn't question is barely a man. One could classify them as a machine, even a monster. Interroga omnia.
To be honest, i didnt know what Dogma meant. I thought when you spelt it backwards, it spelt "AM God." Since it came out of a TV, i thought it was symbolism that the religion was corrupting isaac's mother, literally staying up until the A.M. hours watching religious television.
When the boss fight has lyrics, you know its super hard
@ILGVARSBOSS
One Winged Angel
@ILGVARSBOSS THE ENEMY ASCENDED BEYOND YOUR CONTROL
@ILGVARSBOSS THEY HAVE MANAGED TO DEMOLISH WHATEVER WE MADE
Vs the lich and the glitched lich is a good example
Unless it's a boss fight in metal gear revengeince
who would have thought the true final boss of isaac would be *CHRISTIAN TV!?* but no seriously coolest boss ever 11/10
Oh, a Off-fan :0
@@Signo-d4f :0 wow that's rare
69 to 70 - nice
of course, the christian broadcasts...
i am genuinely scared of those toxic preachers. i feel like if i say no they'll come out of the tv and try to kill me.
@@abno_0523 true
This boss made me realize how all of Isaacs nightmares are material, only Delirium and Dogma are concepts, the only fights where Isaac faces the actual problem
May i ask . What the hell is Dilirium
@@Fomeyshiy State of being extremely delusional. Also the Final Boss in Antibirth
Hush could also fall under that category since it is Isaac's desire to have died in the womb manifest, in fact a lot of major bosses besides Mega Satan could be considered too (the reason why not is cause Edmund straight up said he's just a super boss, no lore)
@@2445elijah I like to think Hush going into the cathedral and sheol is actually just a quality of life feature and not relevant to the lore, so Hush can only go to the Void
Don’t forget Mother, that’s dealing with real issues because it’s one of the few times we see the truth unfiltered through Isaac’s eyes. Even if the battle itself is fake, the meaning behind it was true.
I like how the “Living in the Light” psalm is used almost as a chorus. The fact that they are actually delivered slightly different lends to the idea that Mom watched so much of this stuff that she was watching different preachers delivering the same psalms.
I think the "no temptation has taken you..." part serves a similar purpose; the initial version repeats twice, and then a different translation (I think King James?) is used at the end ("there hath no temptation taken you...")
one of them kinda sounded slightly like megamind
@@berto17 lol nice.
2:53 is definitely the best part
Absolutely.
BLASPHEMYYYYYYYY
@@akirakurusu861 AGAINST THE HOOOLY SPIRITTTT!
He says that line in such a happy and cheerful way
BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE *_HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLYYYYYYYYY_* SPIRIT
Wow, if this is what Isaac mom watched, no wonder her husband considered her insane.
Relatively tame compared to the rantings of actual televangelists. Scary stuff.
Sadly, fear mongering has become a desperate attempt for some Christians to try and grab followers. I demonstrate by example, shouldn't have to make someone live in fear to believe in an afterlife.
@@a.laidler3762 I mean, these are actual quotes from the bible, so I should hope so.
@@GheeseEmpty you misspelled "heretics" there, buddy
@@richardwatson1254 on which portion?
So the voice of god talking to Isaac's mother was a tv preacher all along
I think it's implied in a floor loading screen that the voice was the Lost. Why the Lost wants Isaac dead, I don't know, but the reason she believed it was God was because of religious dogma.
@@salvadorelastname9095 it's probably just Isaac self-berating himself. He thinks he deserves to die and suffer, so he imagines himself saying all those horrible things to his mother about himself. With repentance a lot of old stuff got basically retconned.
@@MitridatedCarbon yea basically
No it’s the dad
@@JohnnyandStuff same voice actor doesnt mean same character
Pride, Greed, Wrath, Envy, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth... imagine if he'd summon the 7 deadly sins when that part hits!
@DanielZaneTH-cam LOL
And then they accidentially program that spawn wrong and Ultra Greed appears.
@@lpfan4491 yeh just like a .01% chance for ultra greed spawning
Honestly it would be badass if he melted into a puddle and reformed as a buffed up version of a super sin boss
wtf
Good job to whoever Ridiculon got to scream those Bible verses
They did a super good job, especially with "BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT"
@Siper but also Ridiculon
Ridiculon himself screamed them lmao
PRIDE!! GREEEDDD!! ENNNNVAH!! LUSSSSSSTTT!!! GLUTTONIE AND SLAWWWTH
I could scream like that with the right motivation
Jonathan Evans and Matthias Bossi are the composers behind Ridiculon and both of them sang the lyrics in Living in the Light 🥴🥴
1 Jhon 1:7, 1:8, 1:9 (0:27)
Matthew 12:31 (0:56)
Colossians 3:5, 3:6 (1:11)
1 Corinthians 10:13 (1:25)
Galatians 5:20, 5:21 (1:34)
1 Jhon 1:7 (1:50)
Romans 6:23 (2:04)
1 Jhon 1:7, 1:8, 1:9 (2:14)
7 Deadly Sins (2:37)
Isaiah 64:6 (2:44)
Colossians 3:5 (2:59)
1 Corinthians 10:13 (3:12)
Hebrews 10:13 (3:21)
1 Corinthians 10:13 (3:27)
Can we have time stamps too
Committed
@@Link9058 there
@@themaxterz0169 thanks
Gods work
The boss' attack sounds actually made this soundtrack better. This fight's so damn good.
Ridiculon does the sfx/sound design too, so it makes a lot of sense that they considered them to go well with the music. Everyone involved made such a fantastic job with this boss, it's unreal
The fucking scariest thing about this, isn't the boss, or the fact that Isaac's mom was listening to an insane preacher the whole time... It's the fact that this was done so well, That I honestly thought they just took clips from Kenneth Copeland and threw them into the song because it sounded that accurate to him.
I mean, that's true. The voice is absolutely perfect for an insane preacher.
its Matthias Bossi, one of the two composers of Ridiculon. He also voices Isaac's father and the narration. He's very talented.
@@ApexGale "Are you sure that's how you want the story to end, Isaac? I mean it's your story. Kinda threw me under the bus at the end there. Here. Try again, buddy."
@@ApexGale Kinda thought it was Robin Atkin Downes.
@@somesadnormie5881MEDIC GAMING!
The televangelists screaming overlayed with the guitars create this profoundly chilling effect. It kind of feels like you're going up against the wrath of a vengeful god.
THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING
@@angrypepe7615 Your pfp makes that even better
Or someone using the power of one while saying God tell him to kill you
@@angrypepe7615 THE ANGER OF PEPE IS COMING
feel the wrath of middle america, young one
This dlc is somethin else
Your pfp is something else
something else repeteance
Dogma, one of the perfect example of a True Final Boss that answers everything without speaking a word
He clearly speaks many words lol
@@Spark-bw3ph to be fair, most of these words are incoherent fearmongering blitherblather
@@bedge7782 ive never heard the words fearmongering and blitherblather
@@bobebobo2643 Fearmongering: the action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue
Blither/Blather: to talk foolishly
it would be better to think that the static seraph man himself is the one screaming at you to repent
The guy kinda sounds like spiderman when he says "YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME, I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH"
Lol, TRUE!!
Or the singer of talking heads in once in a life time
SHOCKER
ISAAAAAAC
*DOGMAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!*
BLASPHEMY AGSINT THE HOOLY SPIRIT
edit: wtf my balls itch
WILL. NOT. BE. FOOHGIVAAAN!!
THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING
@@Ajoo39 hi
@@eltiolavara9 hi. :⟩
@@Ajoo39 jjhhjjhj
Fun fact:dogmas sprite will actually start to become fuzzy like it encountered a signal error if you use an item like lodestone and magnetize dogma or it’s tv
Such a cool fact!
I noticed this for the first time trying to get beast mark for tainted Azazel
THE ANGER OF GOOOOOD IS COOOOOOOOMING!
Cuming?
@@64bitVanny pls no
Coom
cummy
@@sweebow5288 together we shall ask!
This thing is scarier than any monster, demon or angel. Because it’s real.
And its coming through your tv
Damn, TBOI had some great moments but this shit literally gives me chills. I wonder why this is not the final boss, it would make perfect sense. This is where it all started and where it should end
The final boss is the beast created by Dogma's preaching.
Well it’s cannon Isaac is dead.
I like to think of his ascent upwards and fight to dogma (then the beast) is just him coming to terms with the trauma in his life before he goes.
So lore wise it makes a lot of sense to end at dogma, but Isaac only finds rest after he defeats the beast. He thinks he’s inherently evil, and hates that. He needs to kill the beast inside of him before he truly finds peace and can let go and finally die.
Granted Edmond will never spill the exact story and everything is up to speculation.
@@Gorilla_Chaos yeah I hate how there's so many different endings, it's so confusing.
The Beast is also Isaac facing off against his mom for the final time, if you look closely at the bottom of the sprite you can see it’s wearing her dress!
@@planetsliveinsidethemoon1600 yeah I noticed that before but I've never seen anyone say anything about it so I've always just thought maybe I was just looking to much into it.
This theme is absurdly intense for what started as a little flash game about a crying baby fighting living poop and his mom lmfao. God I love this game.
until you remember it's a kid's hallucinations as he sufficates in a locked chest
As someone who grew up in a Christian household, went to Christian school K-12 this hits home. My parents got divorced because my dad has a drinking problem and stopped being Christian. My mom was and still is hardcore Christian. School was awful and all these types of things I’ve heard irl. It’s like a cult to me. Goddamn Ed, your hitting close to home bud. Keep it up, your giving me ideas.
Bros living tboi
Did your mother go crazy and try to kill you
How are you now?
Delta 9-87 more/less OK. I’ve been living with my dad for a while after rebuilding our relationship. Currently finishing high school (never finished cause of the Bs) in hopes to find a decent job and start my career. Still talk to mom as she’s died down with religion a lot, although it’s still very noticeable; I still love her regardless tho, she’s my mom. Isaac definitely had it way worse than me, I’ve been able to recover quite a bit and have some ideas for things; I have a game I want to make and go ham on, a mix of HP lovecraft and Christianity, showing how I feel about it all (don’t wanna spoil my own shit now LoL). That’s the goals Rn, get better job by finishing high school so I can fund and start working on my passion project. Both Isaac and Hyper light drifter are huge inspirations, HLD is also very Similar for me as I also struggle with pretty bad asthma and relate to the protagonist a lot.
Organized religion technically *is* a cult. The extra faithful can seem like absolute nutcases
Dogma is my favorite boss. Ever. The delivery, graphic and sound design, the music, the concept all of these things are executed perfectly. I knew whatever I was gonna encounter next was gonna be crazy when I saw the blue tint of the tv from the door on the left corridor but holy hell this was way better than anything I could have hoped. I mean take a look at the transition cutscene when you sleep in moms bed with static stuff. I LOVE how the background changes to this amazin ruined dark house, I love the chanting in phase 2 and when you defeat it that goddamn tv turn off effect jus made me blast serotonin up my ass. The team put so much love and effort and creativity in this boss and I feel as every other dev should care about their game as much as TBOI team has. Cheers Ed :D
It's a really really well-designed bossed, and thematically I think it should have been expanded upon to be the real final boss. I get what Ed was going for with The Beast, but say a third and maybe fourth stage to dogma would have been the cream of the crop. It fits so well with the theme, the music is fucking amazing, its sound effects almost go along with the music, and its visual design is awesome. Truly cheers to Ed.
dogma should be the final boss instead of the beast
Dogma definitely should've been the final boss, it just fits so well and the build up is intense.
I honestly still don't entirely understand why the beast even exists in the first place. It just feels weird for Dogma to become a part of Isaac who then turns into an angel. Otherwise, I like the ending.
I didn't like the Beast being the final boss since its a far,far slower grindier fight than the high octane Dogma fight.
Dogma > the beast
yes
tbh ultra horsemen and dogma > beast
dogma can be really hard tho
Dogma is the true enemy and he wasn't really defeated. He got inside Isaac in the form of yet another attribute of his (an ITEM) pushing him to defeat an enemy that doesn't exist (The concept of the beast and the horsemen that before Dogma he saw just as things used agains't him)
@@muchotexto4248 dogma became an item for him
@Deathevan Deathevan I was not adressing you. Just saying that
“Yeah I listen to Christianrock.”
Petition to make this a genre
Normalize making music that's just guitars and Bible verses.
Televangelists being a boss fight, I approve.
Literally everything about this boss is fucking sick. The music, animations, attacks, sound effects, and those tv static brimstone attacks are just so cool to me.
until it teleports the brimstone into you and kills you... but yeah, amazing boss, the music is sick, and it fits the game pretty well
@@babaskarma1981 It makes a distinct sound when it fires Brimstone and it only shoots it in the 4 cardinal directions. Stay in between two of them and switch between them but not too close or the laser will hit you. Easy to do once you get the hang of it.
2:37 - 3:00
The energetic list of the sins, the way he delivers the line after, blasphemy against the holy spirit, and the leitmotif of the main theme just harshly fuzzing around right after. Mmmm that is the kinda shit I like to hear in my boss music.
i can't hear the leitmoif
The voice when it prepares to fire the static brimstone always gives me the chills
I hope someone makes a mod and it just turns that into IMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR!
I like the sound he makes when firing the Godhead blasts. It also sounds incredibly surreal.
_BREE-YOW! BREEE... BREE-YOW!_
unfortunatly you dont hear so much dogma's voice, among all of the stuff going on, its sad becouse it is pretty good, you only really hear it when he's doing an attack
Fhshshshs BREAAAA WOOOOWWOOOOOOOOOWZZZ
2:53 that doesn't sound like someone preaching, that sounds like an accusation. and i think that's utterly perfect
dogma nuts
Who's Steve Jobs?
Ligament Spheres
dogma nuts
based
Ligma
I kind of like the idea that delirium is the boss Isaac gets if he doesn't open the chest and suffocates.
While Dogma is the boss he gets if he actually pushes the lid open and ascends rather than delve deeper into his mind to escape the issues.
but beating dogma shows the truth.....
He’s not avoiding his issues anymore; he’s facing them head on.
@@Dude-vq3oe he's already dead
Thats the thing though, he doesnt know that HE wasn't.
He is a kid, kids think that it's their fault if their parents dont get along.
*B L A S P H E M Y A G A I N S T T H E H O L Y S P I R I T ! ! !*
god, the way that line is delivered is fuckin R A W
anyone thinks that quote should be it's death sound?
@@Rustylorde That would make this already epic boss fight even more epic
@@_delevicate_2137 nice conversaton nuke
@@_delevicate_2137 Why do you think that?
Is it just me that think that it Should be a meme???
I love the way he screams "BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOOOOOOLLLLLY SPIIRRIIIITT!!" and "vengeance will be mine! I will repay! Says the Lord!"
I love how these guys can sound like hysterical preachers, it's so cool to me
It’s directly quoting the bible though
1John 1:7 to 1:9
Matthew 12:31
Etc.
@@nexgenkirabi that's what sermons usually are
@@nexgenkirabi it's not the quoting that is wrong. It is the intent.
because the boss fight is supposed to be televangelists aka radical crazy people who think the world is going to end, that we all need to give our entire savings to the church, and that the only way for god to love us is to donate money and be sinless
The first time I faced Dogma I had a lot of trouble
Not only because he is hard for an average player like me, but also because I was too busy headbanging to this music
I've seen this comment somewhere else... Hutts?
Yoooo Everhood pfp?
Dogma is literally the embodiment of strategist, he uses this music to confuse you at the utterest way and his attacks are enermously trouble.
the bible quotes behind the music while you’re trying to survive this bullet hell and intense boss is absolutely amazing, this game never fails to give such a strong atmosphere
Because of these sins. THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING!
I won't call Dogma's attacks the bullet hell...
@@krafuaeBrimstone hell
love how they can throw this thing and a whistling turd in the same game and have it fit perfectly without any question
It’s so sad that Esau died to Dogma
Who the hell is esau?
@@commanderargon3321 d o g m a b a l l s
@@commanderargon3321 u don't wanna know, spoiler to the game
@@lobscotch8802 *beat drop*
@@SSKJ64 Jacob:NOOOOO!
B L A S P H E M Y
-Questioning God and his "work"-
A G A I N S T
@@Kasmodamous T H E H O L Y S P I R I T
@@CausticAscarite
*W I L L N O T B E F O R G I V E N*
@Jerónimo Gatica Que?
Hands down, the best boss in the game. Great symbolism, great OST, 10/10
It's also technically the main antagonist. The reason for Mom's insane christianity and beliefs. The TV broadcast. The thing that ruined Isaac's life.
Dogma is amazing even without it's main concept
Take out the main message and you still have a slimy anomaly made of the static contained in the TV, crawling away from the screen, shouting all your dogmas, your sole beliefs you cannot prove but you always follow in your life in the shape of the voices and/or words that showed you them for the first time.
sort of? dogma is supposed to represent televangelists not our own beliefs
@@seniorvenusdigital3904 Yeah that's his main concept but without it he's still one badass TV demon
Ehh no. Without the main context the game just becomes a surreal poop/cool bible imagery nightmare experience.
I was talking about Dogma. The whole game without it's symbolic meaning would be "Kid goes into shitcave, discovers the power of self harm and literally fucking dies"
It would stop being sad and would become hilarious like Meat boy
It's amazing how much this game has matured since the flash version back in 2011
I can't believe they made a religion out of this game!
Yeah the bible copied jesus juice!!!
@@nojokejon2electricboogaloo732 bro they named god after a brand of juice! absolute disrespect of not only god but this game!
damn who could have guessed that christian broadcasts with static in the background would be such a banger
god i have to memorize these lyrics AND START SCREAMING THEM ON VC WHEN MY FRIEND STREAMS ISAAC
THE ANGER OF GOOOOD IS COMING
@@purplel7413 *B L A S P H E M Y A G A I N S T T H E H O L Y S P I R I T ! ! !*
*"'VENGEANCE IS **_MIIIIIIIIINE!_** I WILL REPAY!' says the Lord!"*
I hope, with the release of Repentance, that The Binding of Isaac resurges into the limelight of critics and gaming awards.
Illuminati what are you doing here?
@@eld4088 i mean, even the illuminati can enjoy a good song
It kinda did once. As something else :joy:
Critics maybe. But the game awards (the only gaming award show that has any industry power) doesnt really have awards for old games or updates. I think maybe a dlc but idk
it reached peak players back in early april
As a fan of The Binding of Isaac who is also a Christian. This has to be my favorite boss fight. The reason being is that Dogma represents the lunatics who use the bible to put themselves in a high position of power by using fear to trick people who don’t know better. These lines being from the bible represents that because most of these are taken out of context thus creating a whole new meaning. People like this however are a minority and many Christians including myself have tried to help people understand this is not what Christianity is supposed to be.
Were a religion built on love and peace not fear. Isaac’s mother is an accurate depiction of what happens when you devote yourself to this Dogma. My goodness, This game is an absolute masterpiece.
Edit: This is why I never share my religion on the internet. Please wear a hazmat suit when entering the reply section for this comment. It’s for your safety. And if your going there to reply to my comment trying to deconstruct my religion, please actually criticize my religion and not the church. There two completely different things and please read my comment. I literally said evangelists are almost all terrible people thus I’m most likely not an evangelist. Actually please do criticize my religion. I love having my views challenged and my philosophies changed which will make me a better person.
This game isn't against Christianity like many people think, it's against this concept, Dogma, as a whole
Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to turn
‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
36A man’s enemies will be the members
of his own household.’
Built on love and peace, my ass. If you sin and sin and never repent, you will go to hell. No amount of love or peace for your fellow man will change his fate. All are subject to judgement by God and god alone.
Oi guys I think we caught one of these televangelists.
@@_delevicate_2137 It's just a game. If god is so peaceful I doubt he'd care about something as insignificant as a game.
@@_delevicate_2137 you are a perfect example of dogma.
I’m more than certain that Dogma is meant to be the False Prophet.
I mean, we have The Beast, and obviously Satan and the Four Horsemen. All meant to instill fear, pain, and the breaking of spirits to anyone that would dare to refuse giving their entire being to their “lord”.
I remember when I first fought Dogma and when I finally beat the TV phase and the lyrics kicked in the first thing I hear was “THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMIIING” and that alongside the angelic chorus that plays when Dogma goes into its second form still stays with me many fights later
BUT IF WE ARE LIVING IN THE LIGHT
AS GOD IS IN THE LIGHT
THEN WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH EACHOTHER
AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS HIS SON
CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN
IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN
WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES
AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH
BUT IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS TO HIM
HE IS FAITHFUL
AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS
AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL WICKEDNESS
AND SO I TELL YOU
EVERY KIND OF SIN AND SLANDER WILL BE FORGIVEN
BUT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN
IMPURITY LUST AND EVIL DESIRES
DON’T BE GREEDY
FOR A GREEDY PERSON IS AN IDOLATOR
WORSHIPPING THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD
BECAUSE OF THESE SINS
THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING
NO TEMPTATION HAS OVERTAKEN YOU
EXCEPT WHAT IS COMMON TO MANKIND
AND GOD IS FAITHFUL
HE WILL NOT LET YOU BE TEMPTED BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN BEAR
FITS OF RAGE SELFISH AMBITION
DISSENSIONS FACTIONS AND ENVY
DRUNKENNESS OR***S AND THE LIKE
I WARN YOU AS I DID BEFORE
THAT THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS
WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
Amen
i wanna call some random bot and scream this into my phone as loud as i can
@@artisticgarbage708 "hello this is *redacted* do you want to use one of our plans?" Drippy:THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING
@@duduzingameplayscookiesedi8826 exactly my plan. next spam caller better watch out
@@artisticgarbage708 "sir,did you selled the plan to him?" "No cuz he is screaming about blasphemy against the holy Spirit and other hardcore religious crap"
You defeat the indoctrination that held you inside the box. Instead of rejecting it completely, you take it as a source of inspiration as the box around you shatters and you discover the power you hold over how things will truly be. And then your story finally ends... and many others begin.
In a more cynical take: You fight the indoctrination, it seems like you're finally free. But dogma wins in the end, and drafts you into the same delusional battle against sin that your mother was fighting.
Edmund personal story basically
@@cardboardhed1967 except it probably, ironically, made Isaac fit for heaven. From what the ending suggests he did make his way to peace in the afterlife.
That's definetly what Jesus did.
@@cardboardhed1967 Isaac is an innocent child, given how harmless and artistic his demeanor seems to be. It would be more accurate to say that he understands what true “evil” looks like in the context of both religion and human behavior, by the end of this fight.
however it could also be a metaphor for if Isaac should survive the experience, he’d potentially continue the cycle of abuse in his own way. Perhaps by becoming a stalwart atheist and shunning all forms of belief or by frantically trying to protect his own kin from what could be construed as “Satanic” or evil, the same as his mom but perhaps less ill-inclined.
Ed really went and made mom's Christian broadcasts from the television a boss. Fucking kudos.
I can't tell if i like dogma or the beast better. They are both awesome fights.
Dogma for me is way better from an appearance point of view and battle, but The Beast is also quite original
If we're comparing the fight the beast is better, the songs dogma's better in my opinion.
Dogma got a really cool intro scene tho.
And he also has a deep connection to what happened with isac's mother.
Dogma also happens to be the strongest. The Beast is the concept of cleansing, while Dogma is the one that instaurates this enemy in Isaac's mind, even going as beyond as defeating Isaac without the need of a fight. Isaac absorved the Dogma, he embraced it as a perk and not something to defeat... Grave mistake.
My favorite boss, truly amazing, you just feel so hyped up as you're fighting him with the preachers screaming and the music all together just so good, i wish it was a final boss by itself
"You need to watch more Christian Television!"
Christian Television:
Jokes aside, this was the best boss fight music.
Christian tv in a nutshell:THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING,PRIDE,GREEEED,WRATH,LUST,SLOTH,GLUTTONY,ENVY,FITS OF RAGE, BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOOOLY SPIRIT
I think I'll stick to Veggietales, thanks
Other Bosses:
- Same music
- Redundant HP Bar
- Okay moves
- Could use a few buffs
- Either a pile of flesh or just poop
Dogma:
- Fucking awesome music
- Beautiful static HP Bar
- Never seen before move-set
- Actually puts up a challenge
- Shifts from a small fetus/microphone to a biblically accurate angel
The Static Laser in first phase and the flying Halo attack in second phase are the most stressful attacks in the game when playing as The Lost
@@DrGandW That's unfortunate. I haven't gone through much of the Repentance content yet but Dogma's attacks do seem pretty brutal. Good luck with that by the way
@@kyphosis_9763 Oh I managed to squeeze through the Beast route with Lost thanks to Dead Cat. It actually revives you in the same room during the Beast fight instead of kicking you out.
Noooot looking forward to trying it with Tainted Lost who doesn’t even get Dead Cat spawns unless you use the new Spindown Dice.
That Static Laser... imagine if the Bloat could laser up, had homing like the Adversary and could switch directions mid laser. Being in any cardinal direction from Dogma in his first phase is just asking for it.
And the Flying Halo is half a minute of frantically trying to find a perpendicular direction to run from where he’ll fly at you from offscreen and then dodging the feathers that pop out in all directions as he does so. i had 0.65 speed with Tainted Lilith in a run and turns out the attack becomes straight up undodgeable at that speed because of the velocity at which he comes at you so even though I had a strong build he did the attack twice in a row and I lost because you can barely even damage him during that attack
Microphone lol
It would have been better if he had his old attack where he spawns static angels
this is basically those Televangalists combining together into a small static fetus thing, coming together to smite you with their craziness. yeah, no wonder Mom went crazy, and the Dad left. but we have to feel bad for them
I loved the feeling fighting him the first time and hearing the music like "Well, i'm fucked."
THIS IS THE BEST BOSS.
THE SYMBOLISM. THE FRANTIC FIGHT ITSELF. THE SICK AESTHETICS. THE SOUND DESIGN. AND WE FINALLY HAVE A BIBLICAL ANGEL.
IT'S HORRIFYING. IT'S SACRED. IT'S A BEAUTY I HAD FEARED FOR YEARS INCARNATED. THEY'RE PERFECT.
@Zeppy "PRIDE, GREED, WRATH, ENVY, LUST, GLUTONNY AND SLOTH!!"
(I am a little too late i think..)
what's so unique about this theme is that it lacks the feeling of dread or regret in the other themes. This is a straight up brawl. And for good reason: The Home ending is Isaac realizing what the problem behind his suffering was. The Christian Broadcasts that made his mother turn to dogmatic abuse stemmed from religion as a coping mechanism. The problem wasn't Isaac's mother and not really his dad either. It was dogma. It was Dogma. And now, Isaac is going to purge that Dogma straight at the source.
It was his father. All the gambling and alcoholism had nothing to do with religion, he did all of that to himself. Magdalene, seeing her family falling apart, turned to religion as a coping mechanism. He's definitely the one at fault.
@@orions2908yeah ngl the father was probably the biggest shit here. He wasnt groomed by a tv or hypnotised or any of that shit. He willingly stole money from his wife, gambled it, and then ditched his family.
This song is straight up 3 minutes and 44 seconds of nonstop goosebumps
ah yes my three favorite sounds:
• cool ass basslines
• television static
• screams of biblical salvation
2:53 This line and how it's spoken is the epitome of how I imagine evangelicals going on about how "fictional demons are encouraging kids to sin!"
i think this boss is proof that execution matters more than how original the idea is
if you asked me in 2014 what i thought the final-for-real-seriously-actually-final-this-time boss of isaac would be, i would probably guess some manifestation of the christian broadcasts that isaac's mother watched, i might have even been able to predict some sort of ascent sequence into something like the home bit
but holy shit i had CHILLS the whole way up. what a fucking amazing finale to this decade-long experience edmund roped us all into
This is a remix of the normal boss theme. AAAAAAAAAAAA
Oh shit I never even realized that, that's crazy.
it's also a remix of the home theme, which sounds like a remix of the menu theme... many remixes in this land.
Leitmotif is a hell of a thing
I am so grateful for this game. I can't tell you the existential crises i was subjected to with in church and sunday school as a child. Not saying religion is bad, but when i was Christian i was living in fear.
2:37 "PRIDE, GREED, WRATH, ENVY, LUST, GLUTTONY AND SLOTH-"
The quote "BLASPHEMY AGAINSTS THE HOLY SPIRIT!!" is absolute best
1:35 "I WARN YOU👹 as I have before 😁👍"
As a Christian myself, I find this kind of preaching, and televangelism, to be rather disgusting. The Holier-than-thou attitude, spouting about how anything not relating to Christianity is satanic, not even believing what they preach, drilling this awful, holier-than-thou mindset into people, and twisting the words of what should be what brings family's together and give faith to those who need it, instead tears families apart and makes you feel like you need to be perfect or else you'll go to hell. I feel horrible for anyone who had to grow up on this fundamentalist kind of preaching.
Edit: Yes I get the message from the game that forced religion is bad. I was trying to say that I think people should believe what they want to believe and not be forced to believe in something. I also get that the bible is actually super fucked up. What I meant was using religion as an excuse to be an asshole, like the whole "You can't be gay because god says so!" Even though god destroyed people because they were corrupt, not for being gay. (Also I personally believe god wouldn't give a shit about who you want to sleep with, since god loves everyone and created everything there's no way he's gonna draw the line at sexuality).
2nd edit: I really wanna delete this but I'm not a coward. I understand that I am a fool. Have a nice day.
That's the point of TBoI. Forced Religion is a bad thing.
"Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to turn
‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
A man’s enemies will be the members
of his own household.’"
From the words of Christ himself, doesn't seem like his goal was to bring families together.
If anything this preaching is indicative of the preaching of Christ himself.
You are aware every line in this song is a direct quote from the bible, right? The song was just presented to us in a televangelism style.
Let me show you:
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. < John 1:7
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. < John 1:8
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness < John 1:9
I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I could be missing yours though. So if I have, please do clarify for me so I can better understand.
@бмбмбм I never once implied they were negative quotes. Simply informing, my friend.
@@ASimpleObserver 1 you made your point like they were bad
2 its the tone they use these phrases and what these holier than though preacher will twist these words to mean that is the bad thing
You know the song is sick when it uses static as a beat
early game: i got inside the basement to scape my crazy mother
late game:
IMPUNITY, LUST, AND EVIL DESIRES
These were the ingredients chosen to create the perfect SEXUAL IMMORALITY
But GOOOOOD added an extra ingredient to the concoction:
*BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT*
This is probably my favorite boss in the game
BEST CHRISTIAN SONG TO SING ALONG WITH YOUR FAMILY 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Something small I noticed is that occasionally, the preachers change which version of the Bible they're quoting.
0:27 New Living version of 1 John 1:7
"But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin."
1:51 King James Bible version of 1 John 1:7
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin."
despite the fact that Ridiculon did a replay of the soundtrack from Rebirth it's pretty epic.
PRIDE, GREED, WRATH, ENVY, LUST, GLUTTONY, AND SLOTH!
I love listening to static, beeping, and aggressive bible quotes at 1 am
2:52 you came for this, i think.
no need to like.
The best boss music in the game. Hands down.
As a Christian I approve of this. 👍
I'm a Christian too, and I love this game. (I actually haven't played the DLCs yet, waiting for a Steam Sale.)
“Believe in God, but question the teachings of Man.”
i was listening this with earbuds and the preaching felt like it was moving from left to right.
i wonder if this is how isaac felt, constantly surrounded by insane preachings of God.
pov: you just spawned inside dogma as tainted lost
and u n have holy mantle😥
I did my best to type out all the lyrics. Most of what is said in this isn’t too accurate to the actual verses, but I did what I could so hopefully this helps!
But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Cleanses us all from sin
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and not living in the truth,
but if we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all wickedness
And so I tell you, every kind of sin is standing to be forgiven, the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven
Impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be Greedy, for a Greedy person is an idolater, worshipping the things of this world
Because of these sins, THE ANGER OF GOD IS COMING
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear
Fists of Rage, Selfish Ambitions, Dissensions, Factions,
and Envy. For ugliness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Purifies us all from sin
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our lord
But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, Cleanses us all from sin
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and not living in the truth,
but if we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all wickedness
PRIDE, GREED, WRATH, ENVY, LUST, GLUTTONY AND SLOTH
So put to death the sinful earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality
BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear
Vengeance is mine!
“I will repay,” says the lord
There hath no temptation taken you but as is common to man, but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above all
I had no idea televangelists scare people into listening to them like that.
Thats the foundation of the religion, fear of hell.
@@PurpleColonel Not really, no.
@@PurpleColonel No, the foundation is faith. Slime balls use fear to try and force people to stay on board.
Yeah, you hear "follow and pray to our lord to absolve your sins" and "the only place awaiting sinners is hell" WAYYY too much from televangelists
Consider this then.
Every single one of us is led by fear, and that’s not even all religion. Are you afraid of work because its hard? To pursue your passions? To voice yourself from your true, inner mind? Then you’re afraid and you’re leashed to that fear like a dog(ma). Fear is the real enemy of Isaac, and the sooner you let go of it the sooner you’ll be free.
Everybody gangster until VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY, SAYS THE LORD
Idk how most of the comments here are anti christianity or assume the game is when it defeats the purpose of all the symbolism and blatantly ignores the fact that the game is about christians not christianity itself, hence this fight being called dogma and not christianity or something fully representative of what it would be in that context. The purpose of the verses used in the music is to convey the bastardization of the radical shows Isaac's mom watched and then indoctrinated him on, which is entirely separate from the vast majority of christians, which is why the game cannot be anti-christian, because it's only targeting part of the christian group. Imo this fight represents Isaac finally getting over the false dogma radical christian broadcasts (the type that sell holy water and such) impose on his and his mother's life, be it the canon ending or not. Some people say this is Isaac casting off god as a whole, but this doesn't make sense considering the divine intervention situation at the end of the beast fight with the lightning bolt. I think this interpretation is the most positive for Isaac's life even if only retrospectively, considering people found victim of radical broadcasts of the type *strongly* implied to be those Isaac's mother watches (especially by these voice lines in that distinct preaching style) can be very very hard to overcome for people who realize they're being used or their beliefs are being bastardized in some fashion. If what I'm interpreting was the intent, I'm pretty happy with it and I think it's pretty mature considering the otherwise straightforward natures of the other religion-based bosses of the game.
Finaly someone who gets it. Edmund McMillen said so himself, that the game reflects both the uplifting and the destructive side of Christianity he witnessed when growing up.
To add to what you said, there are many so called "Mega Churches" and such that aims to trick people who want to be Christians into radicalization, so they will listen to whatever the pastor tells them, including giving away their money. The moment I heard this song I thought they were quotes taken from the Prosperity Church. They don't teach what the Bible says is important, but whatever they can teach to either scare or lull people into paying them.
@@minmangful Absolutely, I had the same thought about Prosperity, and thanks for the sentiment of me getting it lmao. I think it's easy for this to hit home for people considering how common radical christians can be especially with the elderly, which is probably the only reason I thought about it this hard.
Agree 100%. I personally feel that Dogma shows us how much Edmund views on religion have changed since the original inception of TBOI. While in the flesh version we had a pretty biased view, born from Mc’Millen experiences in a religious onward, we now see that said view has mellowed out, and is more nuanced: it’s not all religion, is those dogmatic and repressive aspect that are dangerous for a child, if not society itself.
Dogma should have been the final boss imho: it’s just too perfect both in gameplay and storytelling. Plus, this theme is a banger!
i can agree with this
tldr: christianity isn't bad, the fandom is
I like the part where he yelled
so true bestie
Shoutout to Dogma for being the coolest fucking character concept ever in media in ways of portrayal and concept
Isaac's Mother looked onto these tele-evangelical channels more highly than she did her own son. It would make sense why it's a fetus of static, as I'm sure Isaac just thinks Mother has more love in these preachy antics than him
Also the theme fucking goes off despite not being anything crazy. It doesn't need crazy to tell the story of why this thing is "bad"
It's just jumbled ramblings of a crazy preacher. Chopped speeches that are almost in a sense brainwashing with how they are explained
I'm fully convinced Isaac's Mother didn't hear a legitimate Angel, but was so numbed to these channels that she took their statements to HEART. Putting pieces together in her head to make the decisions that were supposedly an Angel's requests to make God happy.
Isaac sees it as a enemy because it turned his Mothers mind into the static it is smothered in. With a sickening halo on top
NGL the people quoting the bible in the background sound like their having a lot of fun.
This song slaps so good! Repent all of ya!
i put this on full volume with earphones and started ascending to heaven, great song!