+Joseph Donnelly I agree with all the dumb crap on tv..walking dead, bing bang theory and other garbage this is refreshing..im hooked..watched them before i go to sleep lol.
The 2.3 at one time had a turbo and in a mustang was faster then the 302. I've seen the 2.3 dominate in racing, short track mini stocks, nothing could touch them except another 2.3 powered car.
+alfamonk, compared to the roughly 88hp that the standard NA 2.3L (engineered from the '70s Pinto, you could get a longitudinal RWD version, as opposed to the Tempo/Topaz FWD version as late as the early [early '90s] Fox platform cars, even the base Mustang). In '78 (I know 'cause my dad bought new a '79 200 (3.3L) 90hp I6 Ford Fairmont Futura coupé) if you wanted even "decent" output (the Fairmont weighted 2700-2800 lbs. or so...) you'd had to opt for the same 130hp 302 (4.95L) NA V8 that powered that year's large LTD on any Fairmont/Zephyr). In '80 the 3.3L and the V8 were replaced with a 130hp NA 3.8L V6, also available in the Fox-platformed Mustang, with the NA 2.3L as base (soon afterwards the V8 Mustang came back in GT guise). That was state of UNDERpower in many of that era's family cars...
+alfamonk Right? I remember when these cars were new (I was 22 at the time) I drove a 67 SS 396 Camaro, and would tell people the days of high horsepower factory cars were gone forever! How wrong we were back then, lol. These are the good old days of factory hot rods!!
Actually, the Tempo/Topaz's engine was actually a cut-down version of the Falcon Six, not the Pinto engine, even though they did have share the same cubic-inch & liter displacement.
The 1986 Nissan Stanza station wagon had an optional AWD system. I don't remember when the AWD Mazda 323 went on sale, but there was a version that was also turbocharged. There was a Toyota Tercel variant with AWD. There was a Dodge Colt from back then as well and it had a turbo engine option.
@@flight2k5 If anyone besides automotive journalists wanted a manual transmission, they would be on everything. Who wants to shift? We're going to work not driving on a test track.
Everytime I hear this tech guy talking and constantly saying 'hwen' or 'hweels' it reminds me of Stewie form Family Guy and his 'cool hwip'. But it doesn't bother me at all.
It's interesting how the definition of "brisk acceleration" has changed over the years. In this video, a 10.3 second 0-60 time is described as brisk. Nowadays, even a car that does 9 seconds will be described as slow.
If you only knew how long I have been waiting to see this again.......thank you so very much!!!!! Especially as the former proud owner of 2 '91 Vanagons (the first one was totaled)!!!!!
Pat Goss could provide instruction on the practice of "how to stand perfectly still and not talk" and make it sound like he was telling you something that no one else on the planet knew.
Subaru really carved out a niche for itself in this segment. Really only a necessity in areas where you experience long snowy winters. Thank you for an interesting video. 👍🏻
That Audi was a wonderful car. Shame the maintenance was such a problem. I had one for a while, I know from experience. I also had a Vanagon. I would have a Vanagon again but now they're priced right out of range.
I remember this fad of 4 wheel drive cars back in the 80s. Only Subaru really kept it up and made it quite reliable, if not a little thirsty for fuel. Most of the implementations were afterthoughts and had their issues. Tercel had a 4wd option which looked decent its time, but I believe it had no rear diff like the civic, and tended to eat transfer cases.
John waited the entire episode loitering around that Audi, saving the best for last! I like how they actually tried to offer legitimate advice and caution to consumers here instead of just giving the starry-eyed reviews that happen with cars now. No one tells people about life with AWD when they buy cars now, then they’re shocked when issues arise.
Probably because it was extremely rare to find one LOL. I've only seen 2 of them, and they were pretty beat up. They also had a diesel engine option, which I have yet to find one, although they do exist as I've found a couple online.
That all AWD topaz is fucking mint! I would love to have that. I remember seeing them when i was a kid, i was only 12 when that car was new but in my teens you could get a topaz for $100 used. Sure care is slow as balls but the look is ridiculous in a cool wan and with the AWD its sick. Im going to to find one for sale.
I'm sort of upset the AMC Eagle didn 't get tested here! It was probably the most capable off road and the only one you could get leather seats and fake wood, haha. That being said, it was with the Audi in being full time 4x4
dRockOhio at this time AMC developed selectable all wheel drive. Two years before the mighty Ford. And yea where was the AMC vehicle for true comparison. It would have blown the competition away.
Loved the VW Synchro bus the most, and the Audi as usual stood out with its good looks and high performance. It also was a bit overpriced as they usually are.
damn i thought you were going to review the part time 4x4 gl like my wagon but the gl-10 is awesome too , i have always wanted to see the motor week episode of my car along with the rest of the mid 80s 4x4 cars /vams
I bought a Mercury topaz in 94, brand new... I really likes the car. I drove it for 100,000mi with no problems.. I traded it in, and still regret doing so.. It was caymen green.. Beautiful color
I had a 93 Ford Tempo which was a great car, great fuel economy, comfortable, and pretty low maintenance. Only issue that forced me to get rid of it was I couldn't keep transmission fluid in it, either the transmission pan or transmission casing was warped, no matter what I tried to do to seal it up it kept on leaking. I really miss my Tempo especially when I want to go on longer trips without spending a bundle of money on gas LOL.
wait an actual anti lock disable button that you can turn off when you are braking in a lot of snow and sand? genius by audi sadly something like this wouldn't be on cars today because of safety regulations. because more dummy switches sure helps drivers awareness on the road you know......
+ScottaHemi Absolutely. They were reasonably popular in the snow belt - at least in Canada. Hard to find on dealers' lots though - they usually required a special order. The current Ford Fusion also has an AWD version.
Yes, however pretty rare. They did really well in snow/ice with the standard 2WD front wheel drive. I had a 93 Tempo which was just front wheel drive and it took me through several snowy winters here in Idaho.
I had a '92 Ford Tempo GL 2 door that was not totally rare, but was kind of rare. It wasn't all wheel drive but it did come equiped from the factory with the 3.0 Litre V6 instead of tue 2.3 Litre 4 banger and it was fairly quick.
Yes, I think for only certain models though and I believe only 1 or 2 years. Very rare to find one though as I've found. I had a 93 Ford Tempo, but then they were only offered in a FWD no AWD. My Tempo did just fine in snow/ice though and the 2.3L 4 cylinder and the 3 speed automatic had plenty of power to spin the tires pretty easily if you weren't careful, and I averaged in the mid 30's for fuel economy on the highway with the AC cranked in the middle of July. I did manage to hit 40mpg a couple times but that was driving like a grandma LOL.
@Mason, Audi was using the Monotronic and J tronic electromechanical EFI systems at the time. 1 of them, I can't recall which, used a rubber 'flap' or bladder, inside the the air box that had a sensor attached to it that served as an early version of a MAF sensor. If that bladder or flap, whatever 1 wanted to call it, got jammed or stuck, the engine would suddenly rev and run away with itself, regardless of what 1 did with the accelerator. When it worked, it was a very accurate metering device. When it didn't, well, you know...
Odd, because the 60 minutes episode had to rig the car to knock itself into gear to get it to "accelerate unintentionally". This issue, even if present in the Quattro version, is erroneous since it's a manual.
Mercury part-time/on demand awd activated by a vacuum actuated dash switch only for dirt roads or payment in bad weather, Subaru full-time with locking center differential that can only be used on slippery surfaces , VW Syncro automatic transfers power with optional driver operated locking differential in the rear, Honda Real Time 4wd automatic transfer power, Audi Quattro automatic with center or aft differential selector. Out of all these 4wd names the Audi is the only one that still exists
Goss talks about a service manual. Those are becoming harder and harder to find for modern cars. I guess were expected to use alldata. Thankfully there’s TH-cam.
Me too, with the exception of the Jeep, which had an option full time and part time option in the same transfer case (Selec-Trac). This would have been my choice although my 96 Jeep GC LTD 4x4 had full time 4WD it did awesome in snow/ice and I was amazed where that thing would go, but it would have been better if I would have waited and found one with the Selec-Trac 4WD system which gave 2WD, 4WD Part TIme, 4WD Full Time, Neutral which is not a gear, however allowed you to shift the transfer case into neutral and put the transmission in park and flat tow them behind an RV, and 4Low.
Why did they call a 100hp engine "High Output"?? Was it the oil crisis that left people with concerns?? Was it the old technology car makers used and couldn't abandon, so they decided to market it for profit?? Or did they really have reliability in mind?? These are the three scenarios I have in mind for car makers using "High Output" engines back then!
VW Vanagon with synchro 4WD is what I wanted. Too bad they’re classics and can’t afford them. You can put in a Subaru 4 or 6 cylinder motor in there to get more punch and reliability over the VWs engine.
Didn't expect the Civic to be quite that slow. Almost as slow as the Vanagon and slower than the Tempo! I wonder if they were shifting sloppily. Honestly, I didn't expect the Audi to be as slow as it was either.
A very nice presentation from the '80s. A car Heresy is not a very common aspect. The cars in this video are not present any more. They belong to the car history. But there is an exception: the Syncro Vanagon! A car, (the only one?), with his own Heresy. The Syncro Heresy
+Waterboxer That's because they lingered on dealer's showrooms back then when new....few takers when new.....more so since its price tag was that of a new-discounted Suburban,Grand Wagoneer,etc. And as the T3 was reaching the end of the road for the US market,dealers struggled to keep-up demand for the Carat editions(regular van/Westfalia). I should know,my parents bought one of the last batch of T3 Westfalia s in the US...and that was special ordered with optional power windows/cruise control. It was months overdue than originally promised.....it took about 5 months from the start to the dealer calling my parents....letting them know....it had finally arrived and would be ready in a couple days time to for dealer prep and to remove that anti-rust red-stuff that they put on; for the boat ride across the Atlantic
There's one listed on ebay right now for about $37k. Looks like its either been restored or the owner took extremely good care of it. Either way I wish I had that kind of money sitting around it would definitely be in my driveway.
10:15 "make sure that you MEEsure them." Was this maintenance section of the show for non-car people or what? Tire pressure, tire rotations/replacements, and oil changes should be something all car owners know about.
I've never seen an AWD Topaz/Tempo that still had the rear diff hooked up. Had a few customers with them back in the day. Apparently there was a fuse blank that would lock the diffs if you stuck a fuse in it, but I can't confirm this since I haven't seen one in 15 years. They were a hateful car on the best of days.
These classic Motorweek episodes are as addictive as crack.
And less expensive. It's a win win!
+Joseph Rogers Amen!! LOL
+Joseph Donnelly I agree with all the dumb crap on tv..walking dead, bing bang theory and other garbage this is refreshing..im hooked..watched them before i go to sleep lol.
I noticed I am addicted too.
That's why Motorweek has so many babies. For example, I sold my baby for these.
Pat Goss gets the gold medal for saying both 'four b'four' and 'may-jhur' (measure) in the same video! Yesss!!!
Sadly he died 2 years ago.
Back when 100hp was the "high output" option.
elhigh back then when 15 seconds was typical family fast
my riding mower has 26hp lol
@gilbert martinez , is that the gas or diesel version?
The 2.3 at one time had a turbo and in a mustang was faster then the 302.
I've seen the 2.3 dominate in racing, short track mini stocks, nothing could touch them except another 2.3 powered car.
@@ronaldreed7698 LMAO!
High-output 2.3 ...100hp. Comedy gold!
Great history lesson right there.
+alfamonk, compared to the roughly 88hp that the standard NA 2.3L (engineered from the '70s Pinto, you could get a longitudinal RWD version, as opposed to the Tempo/Topaz FWD version as late as the early [early '90s] Fox platform cars, even the base Mustang).
In '78 (I know 'cause my dad bought new a '79 200 (3.3L) 90hp I6 Ford Fairmont Futura coupé) if you wanted even "decent" output (the Fairmont weighted 2700-2800 lbs. or so...) you'd had to opt for the same 130hp 302 (4.95L) NA V8 that powered that year's large LTD on any Fairmont/Zephyr). In '80 the 3.3L and the V8 were replaced with a 130hp NA 3.8L V6, also available in the Fox-platformed Mustang, with the NA 2.3L as base (soon afterwards the V8 Mustang came back in GT guise).
That was state of UNDERpower in many of that era's family cars...
On top of that a high-tec 3 speed automatic.
+alfamonk Right? I remember when these cars were new (I was 22 at the time) I drove a 67 SS 396 Camaro, and would tell people the days of high horsepower factory cars were gone forever! How wrong we were back then, lol. These are the good old days of factory hot rods!!
Actually, the Tempo/Topaz's engine was actually a cut-down version of the Falcon Six, not the Pinto engine, even though they did have share the same cubic-inch & liter displacement.
My before-sleeping drug. Love it.
mipmipmipmipmip me too !!
The 1986 Nissan Stanza station wagon had an optional AWD system. I don't remember when the AWD Mazda 323 went on sale, but there was a version that was also turbocharged. There was a Toyota Tercel variant with AWD. There was a Dodge Colt from back then as well and it had a turbo engine option.
Those Stanza wagons are almost extinct now
Had one of those Stanza wagons. Front wheel drive only. Pain in the ass to work on.
I forgot suburb use to put the spare tire in the engine bay, love this channel!
"Station Wagons" A term I wish, that still would exist today.
A high output engine making 100 hp! Oh I love these retro reviews.
I think I've seen John in that very same jacket to this day haha. Please never die, John! Who then would host MotorWeek?
The Pat Goss segment was hilarious.
Love this classic episodes! And, amazing AWD cars! The Subaru and Audi, especially, are impressive. Both didn't age at all.
I have a fever and the only cure is more Vintage Motorweek!
That "Height" button was a nice touch for a Subaru.
This is one of the coolest 80's video ever!
Ah, the days when you could get a manual on most cars. Especially here when a manual was the only option on 3 of them
Auto would have taken too much out of the engine.
Who cares? Manuals are not that fun to drive in stop and go traffic. It gets old after a while
@@flight2k5 If anyone besides automotive journalists wanted a manual transmission, they would be on everything. Who wants to shift? We're going to work not driving on a test track.
@@TheBandit7613 Here's your $5000 replacement transmission you'll need after 125K
And when the “high output” engine option put out 100hp
Pat Goss said 'four b'four' and 'may-szure' (measure) hahaha
Pat “full and long deep breath before every sentence” Goss
Its amazing how different Pat Goss looks today while John basically looks the same lol
Yeah haha he went from slight old-school dad chunk to full chungus
Full episode! Thanks guys.
Everytime I hear this tech guy talking and constantly saying 'hwen' or 'hweels' it reminds me of Stewie form Family Guy and his 'cool hwip'. But it doesn't bother me at all.
+blinski Hwhelcome to Mhothorhwhheek! Hwhe're ghlad to have you hwhith uhs!
Hwhile you’re here, don’t forget Hwhite!
It's interesting how the definition of "brisk acceleration" has changed over the years. In this video, a 10.3 second 0-60 time is described as brisk. Nowadays, even a car that does 9 seconds will be described as slow.
Daniel Reigada 11 sec still feels brisk on a 2wd truck or van
Man, the Audi 5000 used to be one of my fav cars! Well, Audis still are!
Had 1 a 1984 piece of junk but man it was cool looking and quiet on the hwy....when it ran!
TV, or any media for that matter, is never going to be this good again.
It is like they actually worked honestly to make a good show.
If you only knew how long I have been waiting to see this again.......thank you so very much!!!!! Especially as the former proud owner of 2 '91 Vanagons (the first one was totaled)!!!!!
John finally learned how to pronounce Audi by this time! In older episodes he pronounced it "oddie". :-)
Fancy seeing you here bud!
but it is oddie dude
Love the longer content. Thank You.
Pat Goss could provide instruction on the practice of "how to stand perfectly still and not talk" and make it sound like he was telling you something that no one else on the planet knew.
All wheel drive Topaz. And a blistering zero to sixty of 15 seconds! Fantastic!!!!!
Subaru really carved out a niche for itself in this segment. Really only a necessity in areas where you experience long snowy winters. Thank you for an interesting video. 👍🏻
The clothes are amazing!
That Audi was a wonderful car. Shame the maintenance was such a problem. I had one for a while, I know from experience. I also had a Vanagon. I would have a Vanagon again but now they're priced right out of range.
For shame no AMC Eagle, the birth of crossovers
I remember this fad of 4 wheel drive cars back in the 80s. Only Subaru really kept it up and made it quite reliable, if not a little thirsty for fuel. Most of the implementations were afterthoughts and had their issues. Tercel had a 4wd option which looked decent its time, but I believe it had no rear diff like the civic, and tended to eat transfer cases.
gone forever is john's wardrobe.
I have owned all of these.. i liked the subaru the best, especially after i lifted it and put on some bigger tires
John waited the entire episode loitering around that Audi, saving the best for last! I like how they actually tried to offer legitimate advice and caution to consumers here instead of just giving the starry-eyed reviews that happen with cars now. No one tells people about life with AWD when they buy cars now, then they’re shocked when issues arise.
I had no idea the Tempo/Topaz ever had all wheel drive. Hmm
Probably because it was extremely rare to find one LOL. I've only seen 2 of them, and they were pretty beat up. They also had a diesel engine option, which I have yet to find one, although they do exist as I've found a couple online.
@ parts weren't available 20 years ago!
I guess I'm gonna start looking for a Topaz with AWD, this thing is cool !
That all AWD topaz is fucking mint! I would love to have that. I remember seeing them when i was a kid, i was only 12 when that car was new but in my teens you could get a topaz for $100 used. Sure care is slow as balls but the look is ridiculous in a cool wan and with the AWD its sick. Im going to to find one for sale.
Standard equipment includes intermittent wipers.
Jesus Christ, 1980s.....
I have a 2015 toyota tacoma 4x4 base model. It has no intermittent wipers which drives me crazy.
Retro video is great. Do you folks have any 1st generation Ford Ranger 1983- 1988? Mini pickups were desirable
20:45 That's a lot of squat...
I'm sort of upset the AMC Eagle didn 't get tested here! It was probably the most capable off road and the only one you could get leather seats and fake wood, haha. That being said, it was with the Audi in being full time 4x4
dRockOhio Was AMC Eagle still around by then? I thought dodge swallowed them up by 86
IAMBDJ 1987 was the last year for the AMC Eagle.
dRockOhio at this time AMC developed selectable all wheel drive. Two years before the mighty Ford. And yea where was the AMC vehicle for true comparison. It would have blown the competition away.
aquateen77723 yes but this was 84 your know Topas/Tempo
If you could get past the dated look, it would have been the best in the lot.
Loved the VW Synchro bus the most, and the Audi as usual stood out with its good looks and high performance. It also was a bit overpriced as they usually are.
Great episode. Love the Civic wagon.
When the Subaru accelerated 0-60 in 10.3 seconds and was HALF the price of the Audi that did it in 9.5 seconds! Wow!!
I can see a subi engineer watching this, saying to himself "oh yeah, I'll make a wrx"
Look! Oil in a can.
They should go back to using cans
That honda is awesome
damn i thought you were going to review the part time 4x4 gl like my wagon but the gl-10 is awesome too , i have always wanted to see the motor week episode of my car along with the rest of the mid 80s 4x4 cars /vams
I bought a Mercury topaz in 94, brand new... I really likes the car. I drove it for 100,000mi with no problems.. I traded it in, and still regret doing so.. It was caymen green.. Beautiful color
Lol it was so new, I was told by the ford dealer not to run it through a car wash for 6months.. Hand wash only
I had a 93 Ford Tempo which was a great car, great fuel economy, comfortable, and pretty low maintenance. Only issue that forced me to get rid of it was I couldn't keep transmission fluid in it, either the transmission pan or transmission casing was warped, no matter what I tried to do to seal it up it kept on leaking. I really miss my Tempo especially when I want to go on longer trips without spending a bundle of money on gas LOL.
+William Todd (williamtodd) 👍🏻💸
How'd you get a 96 Topaz? They quit building the Tempo/Topaz in 1994.
William Todd damn, it was that long ago? Excuse me, 94.
Bring back the manual transmission. Get rid of some of the high dollar redundant technology crap !
Im so poor 100bhp is still the high output option.
John Davis enjoys a chocolate mousse for dessert.
Jeez the quattro bounced on its 2-3 upshift! It’s suspension must be as soft as a 70s era Caddy!
Noticed he pressed the accelerator almost wide open while starting the fuel injected Audi.
wait an actual anti lock disable button that you can turn off when you are braking in a lot of snow and sand? genius by audi sadly something like this wouldn't be on cars today because of safety regulations. because more dummy switches sure helps drivers awareness on the road you know......
the Tempo had AWD version?!
+ScottaHemi
Absolutely. They were reasonably popular in the snow belt - at least in Canada. Hard to find on dealers' lots though - they usually required a special order. The current Ford Fusion also has an AWD version.
Yes, however pretty rare. They did really well in snow/ice with the standard 2WD front wheel drive. I had a 93 Tempo which was just front wheel drive and it took me through several snowy winters here in Idaho.
I had a '92 Ford Tempo GL 2 door that was not totally rare, but was kind of rare. It wasn't all wheel drive but it did come equiped from the factory with the 3.0 Litre V6 instead of tue 2.3 Litre 4 banger and it was fairly quick.
Sorry for the typo.
Yes, I think for only certain models though and I believe only 1 or 2 years. Very rare to find one though as I've found. I had a 93 Ford Tempo, but then they were only offered in a FWD no AWD. My Tempo did just fine in snow/ice though and the 2.3L 4 cylinder and the 3 speed automatic had plenty of power to spin the tires pretty easily if you weren't careful, and I averaged in the mid 30's for fuel economy on the highway with the AC cranked in the middle of July. I did manage to hit 40mpg a couple times but that was driving like a grandma LOL.
22:46 My Cruze's 1.4L Turbo makes practically the same power as this 5 cylinder. Progress never sleeps.
That Topaz did NOT age well. The others aren’t bad. I loved my old turbo Susie. Except when the crossover pipe blew every couple of months.
Man I love that Civic
This was right before the Audi 5000's reputation got destroyed over unintended acceleration.
@Mason, Audi was using the Monotronic and J tronic electromechanical EFI systems at the time. 1 of them, I can't recall which, used a rubber 'flap' or bladder, inside the the air box that had a sensor attached to it that served as an early version of a MAF sensor. If that bladder or flap, whatever 1 wanted to call it, got jammed or stuck, the engine would suddenly rev and run away with itself, regardless of what 1 did with the accelerator. When it worked, it was a very accurate metering device. When it didn't, well, you know...
Odd, because the 60 minutes episode had to rig the car to knock itself into gear to get it to "accelerate unintentionally". This issue, even if present in the Quattro version, is erroneous since it's a manual.
The AMC Eagle should have been in the test. It was the most off road worthy of any of these.
That's cool, the Audi had three locking differentials like a g wagon!
Woooow. look at that beard on Gauss!!
Me thinking about getting a B8 Audi S4 one day, watching stuff like this the next
Mercury part-time/on demand awd activated by a vacuum actuated dash switch only for dirt roads or payment in bad weather, Subaru full-time with locking center differential that can only be used on slippery surfaces , VW Syncro automatic transfers power with optional driver operated locking differential in the rear, Honda Real Time 4wd automatic transfer power, Audi Quattro automatic with center or aft differential selector. Out of all these 4wd names the Audi is the only one that still exists
Goss talks about a service manual. Those are becoming harder and harder to find for modern cars. I guess were expected to use alldata. Thankfully there’s TH-cam.
0-60 in 14.9 is typical family car. LOL, the 80s cars were so slow.
I've always preferred part-time awd over full-time awd.
Me too, with the exception of the Jeep, which had an option full time and part time option in the same transfer case (Selec-Trac). This would have been my choice although my 96 Jeep GC LTD 4x4 had full time 4WD it did awesome in snow/ice and I was amazed where that thing would go, but it would have been better if I would have waited and found one with the Selec-Trac 4WD system which gave 2WD, 4WD Part TIme, 4WD Full Time, Neutral which is not a gear, however allowed you to shift the transfer case into neutral and put the transmission in park and flat tow them behind an RV, and 4Low.
I agree. :)
"4 before vehicles" - Pat Goss
The Vanagon had a wrecked rear bumper. 'Haven't seen that before!
Never knew they had an AWD tempo.
We got Ford connoisseurs up in here
Why did they call a 100hp engine "High Output"?? Was it the oil crisis that left people with concerns?? Was it the old technology car makers used and couldn't abandon, so they decided to market it for profit?? Or did they really have reliability in mind?? These are the three scenarios I have in mind for car makers using "High Output" engines back then!
Since you just uploaded the CRX Si, could you also please post the tests of the original '84 CRX & Civic wagon in the future?
RIP Pat G. 😢😢😢❤❤
Ah....$31K for a flagship Audi. Today, you can’t even buy a loaded Fusion for that.
his voice clams me down, cheaper then drugs lol
VW Vanagon with synchro 4WD is what I wanted. Too bad they’re classics and can’t afford them. You can put in a Subaru 4 or 6 cylinder motor in there to get more punch and reliability over the VWs engine.
Not much room in there in the back for a water-cooled engine. Air-cooled maybe.
Didn't expect the Civic to be quite that slow. Almost as slow as the Vanagon and slower than the Tempo! I wonder if they were shifting sloppily. Honestly, I didn't expect the Audi to be as slow as it was either.
i'll take the vw van
+chuck hubbard No kidding! I should have bought ten of them and stuck them in a barn somewhere then fast forward to today and retired!! lol.
Definitely. There's a few things I would have like to have stuck in a barn right now like that LOL.
I did 20 years ago and its a SYNCHRO too!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'm taking the Civic.
“Volkswagen claims that the Syncro needs no more maintenance than the 2WD Vanagon”
Lol.
THis car is absolutely crazy
A very nice presentation from the '80s.
A car Heresy is not a very common aspect.
The cars in this video are not present any more.
They belong to the car history.
But there is an exception: the Syncro Vanagon! A car, (the only one?), with his own Heresy.
The Syncro Heresy
Do you have the 1983 Topaz/Tempo review?
That Topaz was so homely.
You mean AWD, John?
syncros weren't cheap back in the day! $19,900 in '85 was about $44,700 today
Nothing compared to the Audi
The civic wagon is called " shuttle " in Middle East.
+mipmipmipmipmip Good To know i thought it was exclusive here only they were Famous.
Got any 3rd Gen civic reviews? it's temping to get one actually as a hobby car.
When one thinks of all wheel drive only one manufacturer comes to mind........subar....I mean Audi
Ahh back in the good ol days when "INSERT OPINION HERE".......
Nowadays you spell Syncro like this: $yncro
THESE VANS SELL FOR BIG BUCKS NOW, syncro campers are easily $25-40k.
:)
+Waterboxer That's because they lingered on dealer's showrooms back then when new....few takers when new.....more so since its price tag was that of a new-discounted Suburban,Grand Wagoneer,etc.
And as the T3 was reaching the end of the road for the US market,dealers struggled to keep-up demand for the Carat editions(regular van/Westfalia).
I should know,my parents bought one of the last batch of T3 Westfalia s in the US...and that was special ordered with optional power windows/cruise control. It was months overdue than originally promised.....it took about 5 months from the start to the dealer calling my parents....letting them know....it had finally arrived and would be ready in a couple days time to for dealer prep and to remove that anti-rust red-stuff that they put on; for the boat ride across the Atlantic
There's one listed on ebay right now for about $37k. Looks like its either been restored or the owner took extremely good care of it. Either way I wish I had that kind of money sitting around it would definitely be in my driveway.
Waterboxer vanagon westfalia full camper syncro is somthing like $49-79k
Waterboxer wassershitter is more like it. Piles of shit that break down non stop unless engine swapped
Konrad C I have two. 97k and 216k. They are not piles of shit. They are an investment.
Anyone know WHY an oil pressure and voltage gages are that important?!
AdamG1983 Avoid grinding the engine up.
10:15 "make sure that you MEEsure them." Was this maintenance section of the show for non-car people or what? Tire pressure, tire rotations/replacements, and oil changes should be something all car owners know about.
Wait the civic do not have a passenger side mirror. Why? Thats weird
You KNOW the pneumatic suspension on that Subaru never received repairs when it broke.
Those Vanagons were criminally slow lol
I've never seen an AWD Topaz/Tempo that still had the rear diff hooked up. Had a few customers with them back in the day. Apparently there was a fuse blank that would lock the diffs if you stuck a fuse in it, but I can't confirm this since I haven't seen one in 15 years. They were a hateful car on the best of days.