jojo took down his video and apologized for including some misleading clips - i appreciate him doing that it's certainly going above and beyond what 99% of creators would do. we also spoke privately and chopped it up and he seems like a cool dude! okay thats all have good day every1
only positive things came from this. jojo calls out, you recognize your mistakes, jojo deletes the call out when the impact was made, you give awareness to what matters. so cool
its drama bc, even tho the allegations are WILD, theyres no legal proceedings going through (nothing public atm*) and the only information any1 has abt it is word-of-mouth
@@n00by90 What legal proceedings could be going on? The only thing that may have been actually criminal, would be the shirt sales. And they are at about the statue of limitations.
i think a lot of big youtubers are glossing over the v real fact that being offered 300k is literally life changing money. i watched that entire interview and am broke enough that i knew i would've tried it, especially if the team was telling me "it'll be easy" to win. like as a normal, broke civilian with debts/bills to pay how are you supposed to say no to that. natsubi is exactly who i thought of.
Yep. I literally watched the whole thing, saw this man break down and show clear signs of PTSD, and know if the exact same situation were offered to me tomorrow, I would do it. Because most of us are struggling to survive. I think that's part of why so many people say "hE cOuLd JuSt LeAvE" and dismiss the victim's story -- because there's a part of them that feels a little jealous? Maybe jealous isn't the right word. A part of them that feels like they could do "better?" I think for a lot of ordinary people who watch that video, we hear the prize money and our eye glaze over a bit. That IS life-changing money. That feels like an open door into a world most of us will never experience. And so we think that in that situation, we could bear it or do better than he did, because we would do just about anything for that opportunity. We say this without realizing that we have just proven EXACTLY why the victim didn't leave. When enough money is on the line, you almost lose your agency.
The Nasubi situation was so crazy. My man got so messed up by the experience that it took him months to get used to wearing clothes after it. All that for like like $65k. His story is like a Black Mirror episode. TV producers are something else regardless of the country.
That's exactly the problem with pretty much all of Mrbeast's challenges is that he puts a high prize money and purposefully finds desperate people aka the middle class, because he knows the more they are desperate, the more they are willing to compete and hence more drama = better content for him, its crazy how he has planned out all these videos to be as profitable for him as it could be, and at the end of the day, he can't even lose all his relevance on TH-cam cuz his audience is a bunch of retarded brainless 11 year olds who watch Skibidi Toilet and have the attention span of (-∞). Its tragic to see how TH-cam simply used to be a place where you could upload some dumb videos and have fun, now its pretty much how big media controlled Television in the old days, and even worse cuz internet reaches a much larger audience.
"MrBeast messed up" is downplaying the situation. Many of the issues that have been raised are systemic. Patterns of behavior. It's a messed up structure. Not a one-time fuck up.
@@kraya6740 why are you all acting like ludwig is responsible for everything beast did, this man is literally just some random dude talking about his opinions on things happening around him and every time he doesn't hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head, people call him a coward or blindly accuse him of greed. not an uncommon mindset now days either, it's bewildering to see threads like this devolve because some third party's coverage of an issue wasn't 100% perfect
Hiring a convicted sex offender to the team that caterers to minors is the WILDEST thing I've heard all year. 2024 is officially the year of the predator
Facts! Literally every month there’s been a new crazy story…I can’t even imagine what the year wrap up will look like when 2024 is all said and done. Also have a strange feeling 2025 won’t be any better😑
"You can't compare them, because survivor is a professionally produced show" The entire point everyone is making, is that Jimmy should have been running a professional production
@@mikhail3373 There is merit to that and to take it away defeats the purpose. Doesn't change the question being raised, how can he achieve classic game shows have without being the same thing?
It's surprising how much of this goes over people's heads. Everyone laughs at the outragous amount of cash any modern Hollywood movie takes these days where even if they released 'Paint-Drying: The Movie' the budget would be $120 million or something. However, there are so many roles on a film set every day depending on what exactly is happening that are not just the typical director/producer/camera/sound and actors for the camera just to ensure nothing stupid happens, laws aren't broken and people and animals aren't killed. But somehow Beast has thus far managed to get to the #1 spot of TH-cam and be the defacto YT golden child, with supposed crazy amounts of money on the line for "prizes" and a huge amount of budget for the filming. Yet all this time he's somehow managed to ride the scapegoat coattails of "Oh he's *just* some TH-camr" using the percieved negative connotation 'just some youtube person" has in contrast to what is typically considered "real" like professional film crews. All in a chance to I'd assume use his position both as a known person yet "just a youtuber" to not spend nearly as much in production costs or have to have certain roles that would of been required on "real" film set. From what is coming out combined with what we know of from things like his Amazon show, his productions would probably be seen by other more "typical" production companies and film crews as a freakin clown show run by mental children flying by the seat of their pants doing whatever they think other children are going to want to see with people going to end up hurt or eventually dead. I can just picture their sets - Hey Joe, you should like totally stick your head in that lion's mouth. Oh and like, look scared and scream a little bit. This'll be awesome bro, like bro, we'll get so many clicks if you stick your head in that lions mouth. OH OH. Ben! When he does it, bro you should like totally slap the lion on the butt. But like, look like you're tryin to be real stealthy and coy about it. Oh dude this is going to be awesome. What's that Joe? Sorry not now we'll talk later, gotta get rollin man, ok places people!
I think it’s also important to note that him being a good guy around you and him overall not being a great person are not mutually exclusive. You have a massive fanbase, while everyone coming out with their negative experiences with Mr Beast are people with a significantly smaller following. In my opinion, the experiences of those with less power are far more indicative of his character.
It's also just the difference of a public facing persona vs a private facing one. As the child of a sociopathic abuser many *many* people outside the family who don't see the 'private' face think of them as good people because they know how to be good and polite and kind on the surface. The private face only comes out in certain situations, particularly where they have power or authority as a safety net. Hence why rich sociopaths tend to get called out, they think "hey I've got so much power I don't need to worry anymore" so the private face becomes *more* public and the public less prevalent.
He has said he thinks attention is more important than money with fits well with this point. A normal bad person would respect people with a lot of money and show their real face around poorer people. Where Mr Beast cares more about the attention his "friends" have, so that, should something happen, his "friends" can tell their big audiences "thats not true guys!" This is why he targets kids. They are impressionable, they will take the word of their youtubers. And that is why Mr Beast will never need to do anything unless more even bigger youtubers that make kids content speak out. But that won't happen because Mr Beast has carefully controlled his image.
I was in a similar situation with one of my best guy friends of 9 years. He SA’ed his girlfriend but I cut off all ties. Hurts like Hell but you got to stand up for what is right. Ludwig hardly did that. No respect from me.
In Psychology, a study is deemed unethical if you prey on a vulnerable population by incentivizing participation, especially in strenuous studies. Like if you take a starving person and offer them food in exchange for participation. There's a whole board that determines the ethics for studies. Mr. Beast is doing shit very similar to psychological studies (like Stanford Prison Experiment, for example) that NEEDS to be regulated by a third party to prevent things like this from happening. Most Americans are struggling, and so participation in harsh conditions in exchange for money gets into murky ethical shit especially dependent from person to person depending on their backgrounds (which also needs to be considered prior to putting them into a study). It isn't easy to leave when you're promised life-changing amounts of money, especially when you're brought up fighting for resources, or even if you're just the average American making minimum wage during a time where it's very difficult to get a job or a home. Most game shows should be brought into question under this thinking, however, Mr. Beast is pushing the envelope with things like putting a person in solitary for 30 days. Survivor might be in the same group as well, given what you showed. Regardless, it's important to minimize emotional or physical harm to contestants. If you're traumatizing someone for content, you're doing it wrong. There are plenty of other mediums for entertainment that don't include doing extreme shit to those involved, and with the level of money he has, there is no excuse.
mrbeast literally thinks that he is a god above every mere mortal who should be crying from happiness at the opportunity to lick his toes. I truly think that he gets off to humiliating and torturing people. That guy definetely should be thoroughly investigated.
thank you for the informed take. i studied psychology and this is completely correct. even incentivizing a MUCH smaller amount of money than 100 thousand freaking dollars is considered ethically gray
Exactly I’ve always thought his videos starting from around 2019 and on felt more like potential psychological studies just dumbed down for children’s entertainment and always felt that it was kinda iffy with some of his “challenges” and now that there’s light of this all I could think was how on par this is to the Stanford prison experiments and what controlled power does to people so I’m glad someone else recognized that
I agree with you, however, there is no such thing as an ERB/IRB or REC for "contests" that I'm aware of. He's doing these under the guise of a contest, not an experiment. The question isn't "what will happen to this person, physically or emotionally, if they stay in solitary for 30 days?" That's not what's being asked. The question is "Can this person stay in solitary for 30 days to win $1,000,000?"
@@ThatDudeDeven It’s the same thing in practice and there are very similar regulations for contests, the only reason he’s been able to get away with it for a while is because he’s been doing it primarily on the internet instead of on TV, so a lot of the regulation that applies to this typically hasn’t been extended due to how relevantly “recent” the internet and content creators are.
Personally I thought the message of Squid Games was a bit on-the-nose, but apparently a bunch of people watched it on Netflix and the message of "hey, maybe it's a bit f-ed up to make poor people dance for you for the promise of a prize" flew right above their head.
Man it just sucks because Rosanna Pansino was talking about Mr Beast being shady since over a year ago i think, and people absolutely DOGGED on her. I hope she gets more support now that things are becoming more clear
That’s also the reason why Jake Weddle and Dogpack waited till now to expose Mr Beast, because there are too many examples when people tried to expose Mr Beast, they got brushed off.
@@naotaka1624 tbh it might also be a HINT of sexism only because Ro is such a loved person and yet she got some of the MOST vitrol ive seen over probably the tamest claim as of now (not setting that in stone, just a thought)
@@Thisisacomputah Yeah, it is possible that there is a problem of sexism. In Jake’s story about his writer friend, there might also be workplace discrimination, Mr Beast Company got too much skeletons in their closet.
@@naotaka1624 i dont wanna be the person thats like "I KNEW ALL ALONG MWAHAHA" but i kind of had the feeling that Mr Beast was TOO big to not have this many issues (also when you have a dude that made idolising elon musk his bit, idk its kind of a bad look.) I feel so bad for the people involved that are struggling to make their stories known. i hope he continues with his charity work under ethical circumstances though, I think that's the only part I'm worried about when it comes to the sake of his channel
@@ThisisacomputahI also feel bad for the people that suffered because of Mr Beast. Tbh, I don’t even pay attention to the drama Mr Beast had before, and that’s what smart about Mr Beast. He targets child audiences, who cannot understand the shady things his company does, and the company was very good at advertising their philanthropic work to adults. So I guess most people would think Jimmy looks kinda off, but never really looked into anything to confirm because of the philanthropic stuffs.
BRO JojoASMR doing an entire roast session on Ludwig for that one stream is honestly the most based thing I've ever heard, also unexpected whilst being in the realm of possibility knowing Jojo being absolutely comedic.
To be clear there is NO WAY to do a "solitary confinment challenge" ethically and it is hard for me to buy that the lights not turning off was an accident. The contestant and other workers at seperate times brought up the issue and it was still not fixed, and when (after the marathon) the contestant said he quit, suddenly they have the ability to turn the lights off. Either mr. Beast didnt want the problem to be fixed (not hiring an electrician, etc.) Or there wasnt a problem to be fixed after a certain point.
The lights not turning off was not a technical issue, it was a CREATIVE DECISION for the TIMELAPSE, they always had the option to turn the lights off, they just didn't, even after people on the set voiced their concerns.
@@rusty1762 That doesn`t change the fact he didn`t have a day and night circle, which was I think the biggest problem. Like, not knowing when a day passed or how many days you have spent in this "super fun" bunker, really messes with a persons psyche.
Well the weird pedo chris is real, everything else is just people trying to hop in on the train. Grifters, same people who threw up the BLM fist in 2020 and claimed they are an "ally". Same people whining about Mr. Beast. Don't let the Chris Tyson stuff get washed out with all this other useless crap.
I think people are glazing over the fact that Jimmy kept someone he worked with in conditions we dont even keep criminals in. Jimmy saw someone he knew in incredible suffering and said "get on this treadmill and RUN A MARATHON BAREFOOT". It wouldnt have been better if it was a stranger but the fact that Jimmy knew Jake from months/years of working together and still put him through that exposes a disturbing lack of empathy
As Jake says in the video, he knew Jimmy hates him and this was a good chance for Jimmy to torture him while under the guise of giving money. 100k/300k is nothing for Mr Beast , even in those days, so he just wanted a Squid games moment of paying money to a person to torture him.
@@veginitoso art can't imitate reality? It can't be used as an example? You just wanted to be the special boy who brought up what was mentioned in the video.
The other important overlooked element to the discussion of "he could leave whenever he wanted" is the pressure of "If you don't stay for at least x many days we don't have a video and we lose money". So not only is it the pressure of "this is a life changing amount of money" but also "if you fuck this up you wont be in any more MrBeast videos" which is ultimately the result of this situation.
That's something that I also noticed as well, the "random" contestants getting repeated, I would've expected that only special events specifically for repeat contestants would have repeats like that but "yea my buddy ed who didn't win last time is back here" happened too often.
Ludwig didn't mention it in the video, but as Jojo posted an hour ago, he and Ludwig discussed the drama privately. Since Ludwig responded to everything, he decided to unlist the video because it doesn't make sense anymore. There's no reason to send hate to the guy.
Thing is a lot of people do and I think that its an issue. Everyone wants creators to give their opinion on these types of stories and 1. I don't know why 2. It's not healthy
@lokilucario i dont think i did i recognized the sarcasm, i just took a more serious response. Thats why my first sentence is worded that way. Not trying to argue or anything tho my guy
@@Bigsauce7593Believe it or not, a great number of people like to hear the opinions of those they support (and sometimes determine if they're still worth supporting).
@@uuyyy8568 I legit have watched all these people's content before. I didn't think about it until now but I should probably start going outside more frfr
Ludwig seemingly never learns that his huge platform means people will clean up their act around him. “Mr beast was always nice when I was around” bro look at your subscriber count
Exactly. It's like celebrities saying they had only pleasant experiences with Ellen Degeneres and thus trying to discredit all the workers who were treated like shit
@SkeddyNoodles47 reading is key and you lack it. He didn't say that his subscribers count changed. He said that Mr beast would act different around a big youtuber
@@SkeddyNoodles47 He's saying beast (or anyone really) would act clean and polished around ludwig because lud is a massive creator with immense outreach, not that he gained subscribers from mr beast. YOU missed the point.
I'm someone who comes from a not-so-rich family. (Lot's of this information might be slightly flawed as I was still young and still am when we actually bought a house for the first time and I didn't and still don't have a proper grasp of how money works). The most money we have ever had at once (which was when we were selling lot's of items we owned to gather enough money so we could buy a house instead of constantly moving and renting houses in different parts of my country) was about 60k euros. With this it was barely enough to buy a house for 200k and slowly pay back the bank over the years which my family still hasn't completely done as we still owe the bank. 300k is lifechanging. I would literally go through hell and back to get that for my family because it would change the way we live so drastically. Saying that he was free to leave when he was being offered 300k is absolutely idiotic. If I left after already being there for so long and especially after I commited and went through pain and suffering I would never forgive myself because in the end it would've all been for nothing. He was never truly free to leave.
Right, my dad was lucky enough to win the lottery with his work group (was around 150k) it was life changing for us it gave us a deposit on a house and was a nicer area as we lived in a rough area in a rough city and to see someone say 300k isnt alot or isn't life changing is crazy to me and comes from alot of privilege
i think one of the biggest problems is the fact that staying in solitary confinement with the white fluorescent lights and no clocks to tell the time so you have no concept of night and day or how many days you spent by yourself can lead to permanent brain damage just in 3 days and jake spent 10 days in there under those circumstances. it also throws off your circadian rhythm which can lead to hormonal imbalances and insomnia. to the people saying “oh he could’ve just left” i don’t think jake was in the right mind to be able to consent at that point. his brain was not working at full capacity which leaves him very vulnerable under the circumstances mr beast left him (making him think if he left without completing 30 days it would lead to the company losing money etc.). in my opinion they should’ve had a team of psychologists because they were basically filming a video on human psychology. these psychologists would then be tasked with monitoring jake’s mental status and pull the plug on the challenge when they found fit so the outcome of one single video wouldn’t be this detrimental to jake’s mental health. this is just another example of jimmy not caring about his “contestants” and having one of the worst cases of “content brain”.
I think what makes this worse is that he’s done this other times too. There was one where he locked two people in a bunker(one of which is a youtuber now), and they stayed 100 days in there. For like the first 30 days or so they had the lights on all the time, though after that Jimmy did give them an offer to turn it off. It was one of the biggest things they complained about throughout the whole thing.
@@littleferrhis his whole channel being built on “how far can i push poor people mentally & physically for money” in itself is a problem. in my opinion him not caring for human psyche really showed when he decided to do an irl squid game, because when regular people watch a show like that they see it as a commentary on capitalism’s life threatening effects on people but when jimmy saw it his mind went “omg! great video idea!” he doesn’t see his extreme challenges as exploiting people in need. this might be because he got very rich very young and didn’t work an actual job so when it came to running a company he didn’t know how to build proper hr or create an equal and safe work environment but i can only give so much benefit of doubt to him. not hiring a team of psychologists when filming a video on human psychology for millions to watch, not obeying the law when running those illegal lotteries when he has a legal team, not caring for contestants safety when producing a 100 million dollar amazon show, not caring or running a background check when hiring a manager who is a registered s*x offender for your channel which targets children… when everything piles together it paints a clear picture of someone who doesn’t view humans as humans but rather props he can exploit. it’s actually quite sad that the biggest channel on youtube is a huge company with no personality when jimmy gained a lot of his popularity while he was running a “sub to pewdiepie so t-series, a big company, doesn’t become the biggest channel on youtube so the platform can keep being authentic and for the people!” campaign. he really did become what he hated lmao.
This is the kind of thing that if someone attempted to do as a psychological study would not get passed the ethics board because of the amount of harm it would cause to the participants. Mr Beast should have consequences for literally commiting a war crime to make a video and there needs to be something in place that makes sure that he and other youtubers can't cause distress, both physical and mental, to others in order to make a video that they themselves profit off of.
i think there is a big difference in his situation though, he had objects to keep him occupied to some extent and he had someone coming in every day (mr beast) to talk for like an hour and on top of that he said he was talking to production at some points so i don’t think it’s as dehumanizing as it sounds. still not ethical but i think people comparing this to torture is a bit extreme
It wasn't stated in the video but Jake said that tried to leave but the production team keep saying that he couldn't because they already had spent a shit ton of money and they needed the video, they were pressuring him to not leave, basically coercing him to keep going. It's like your boss demanding absurd tasks and you simply can't deny them because you are afraid that it puts your job in jeopardy
Yeah, also on top of the guilt of wasting the money the team spent on the set, the sunken cost fallacy, etc. he also cared about the "good people in the management team", and he probably knew some of them could get fired or demoted or something if he left early. Also by the time he felt the light torture, stinky mildew, stinky bath tub, stinky septic tank, and stinky paint fumes, and the bugs etc. getting to him it was also starting to impact his mental faculty, and you know, that's kinda' the thing he needed to use to appropriately weigh his own well-being over that guilt he had for those kind people in the set, so its no wonder he made the conscious and "stupid" decision to stay. Did he deserve to get tortured for that? Does caring for your friends' job security and not wanting to waste the Beast team's money, effort, and good will to prepare the set and have a video make Jake's torture not illegal or at least not unethical and/or not immoral? I think the "he had a choice and he chose dumbly" defense is just an excuse to not critically think and empathize for Jake. People who think that are actively denying their empathy, and its always been weird to me when people actively and consciously choose to deny giving pity and compassion for someone who is genuinely suffering just because the people suffering were "dumb". It reminds me of Nietzsche and his übermensch shit or whatever. I don't like it, why should their be an IQ limit to empathy?
yeah, jakes story was so sad, straight up tortured him for days and coerced him into keeping it going with a chance of winning life changing money. mr beast is sick for doing that bruh😭😭 I wonder if the 2 people in mrbeasts released solitary confinement vid have to say
What’s unnerving is the sheer amount of people who have been on the MrBeast channel, allegations could go on for months if it’s worse than we think even right now.
Dogpack is going to make a video about Beast Philanthropy. So if that it is that bad. Then the whole MrBeast brand is dead. Because that is what he is known for.
@@IamFree03but I don’t think dead is the right word Becuase his audience is MASSIVE so he can still make money off of views and merch maybe not sponsorships
@@bmb4024 Sponsorships like family friendly and having hired 2 predators. Is not what companies want. Not to mention the S**Assault allegation against Kris. Dogpack next video is going to go over that. And who knows what else is coming out.
TH-camr: makes a claim (lie) with no evidence that is really condemning. all on "trust me bro" Ludwig: do you have any evidence for this or are you making an assumption? CONTROLLED OPPOSITION CONTROLLED OPPOSITION Yall are the problem. Ludwig is literally just verifying information with a source.
@taodivinity1556 the point being this isn't a one time incident or a one time affair but rather the entire foundation on which mrbeast's channel is built on
Something even more compelling to me about the "he could have left" argument, is you CANNOT allow people to willingly subject themselves to pain, abuse or anything else for live changing amounts of money. Our brains are genuinely simply not wired for it, we can't cope and make decisions in that context
Especially knowing the terrible work ethic in most countries now that people struggling are so ashamed to be struggling and are unable to get proper help due to the stigma around being "poor" so the idea of "fighting" for your money is more respected than going to charities or food shelters so they deal with literal torture to try and fight for a slim chance of living like an average person.
@@jerryxing9669that’s fine to me, as long as he’s not brain deadly defending Mr beast I’m fine with everything. I won’t take anything he say about Mr beast seriously.
He did talk about it clearly at the end, and while I do think the video focused way too much on Jojo, at the end he clearly defined what he thinks about the situation and expects from it.
I think the fact that you pulled out of the Feastables sponsorship for your event is what really seals the deal. The willingness to go down on the books for your company (a cited workers coop, meaning it affects many people besides yourself) but not compromise on your morals is not a choice everyone would make, but I think that really shows your true character and it's the reason we all support you like we do
@@Freekey8509All right, lets ignore you have to pay for a camera team, equipment, crew, food and hotels, maybe even the creators, security, nurses/doctors in case something happens, for the place, for ads, artists, his employees and prizepool, on all that also tax, on the money he gets high tax too. It's not as profitable as you think. Also, if he makes profit the win margin is not as high in % as if he just sat in front of the computer and makes a reaction video, the effort/money ratio ain't that profitable in his event.
@@DeanGurrenMost his events don’t really have purchase points too. Like he will throw a big event but the amount of things people can purchase in response for the event is little which is why the profit margin is so low. If he wanted to sellout for the event he could, but it wouldn’t make him look good
Why? He's a good guy, doesn't seem to hide stuff and is set financially and relationships wise. He's just being honest and not diving into political maneuvers
I don't think so. It was more like the pressure of knowing -lets face it- a good friend in a particularly bad scenario and especially being both public figures and not trained on how to handle things like these, Ludwig did what he think was best at the time.
@@bigatenkai797 Just because he thought it was the best decision that doesn't mean it was the right one. Proximity doesn't suddenly excuse blindly defending someone, if anything it makes it even worse because it's clear he isn't interested at looking at things objectively from an unbiased POV.
You can leave anytime you want... doesn't just apply to contests. The same concept is why people stay at jobs they hate. Sure you can leave whenever you want but how is that going to affect opportunities going forward.
@diablofolds u clearly dont know what it means to live from paycheck to paycheck. getting 300K for just doing something for 3 months is life changing i earn like 10k a year, to save up 300k i would need 60years or more. if MrBeast would offer me such opportunity i would take it in a heart beat, even if i would have to suffer and quit my job
I think the main problem with the Livestream is Ludwig's demeanor throughout the entire video, it really did look as if he was trying to push through it because he didn't want to see Jimmy as the evil he was being portrayed as. Kudos for speaking about the situation though, and acknowledging your faults
Yeah I watched that and was hype to see it because Ludwig has been awesome in terms of being unbiased on issues that relate to him. It sucked, but really great of Ludwig to admit that in this. Big kudos to him
@@justethans Ludwig does generally do a good job being unbiased, but I can understand why he was struggling in this situation. I sometimes have an aversion to watching anything terrible being said about my favorite content creators, not because I wouldn't think their behavior was wrong, but my brain actively just avoids wanting to watch that content that calls them out. Sometimes it's more psychological than actual malice. I can only imagine how much worse this is if it's a person I know, and have regular contact with.
This video title is still pretty bad because he addressed the allegations about his response more than talking about the situation. It's a misleading title baiting viewers who think he'll talk in detail about the actual evidence.
5:48 If Ludwig is shocked that Jimmy faked that, that's the whole point of exposing Jimmy. Some YTers defending Mr Beast like "what's wrong with faking?" but Mr Beast's reputation is that he doesn't lie to us (outright) that he is genuine and generous (he even tried to make collab YTers like Ludwig think he's legit) . If Ludwig is shocked, that tells you Mr Beast does have that image and it should shock his audience. And that's just faking videos which we 100% knows he does, so the surviving at sea video is no question faked. It's not even the most serious allegations, but it is still important cause it still exposes Mr Beast deservedly.
I have seen most people saying that 'of course he fakes videos, are you dumb to believe he doesn't'- but he himself has said multiple times that he does not fake videos. the youtubers who were in his recent video said he does not fake videos because he did not fake that one. He constantly attempts to maintain this image that his videos are real.
this. the faking isnt the problem, the fact that he blatantly lies about it and goes to a great extent to cover it up is the problem and sets a really terrible precedent
@arting6539 yeah like ludwig even stated in this video. The one video he made with Mr Beast he wasn't allowed to fake. So it's this double entendre of the mr beast crew being allowed comfort and safety, but anyone else isn't at all
I think the whole premise of asking low income folks and pennyless kids to humiliate and endanger themselves for a promise of money is exploitative and incompatible with human dignity.
If you pause dogpack’s video in the beginning when he’s showing messages. There was a Tyler guy idk what part he had in Mr beast if he was in videos or just a higher up position behind the scenes but he bought someone’s dog for 10k which is horrible to do that to someone who might be struggling. It’s super fucked up and seems like they got off on power trips. Let’s see how far we can push someone or test their morals for money. In the beginning Jimmy did put in work counting to a huge number and putting himself through challenges but once they could start taking videos they did. Reminds me of vitaly and fousey faking pranks after they realized how much easier and how much money they could make.
@@aellipsis it’s been done since Rockefeller and Carnegie hiding their shady business practices behind “philanthropy” Handing out nickels to people when he’s a billionaire back then imagine that infused for inflation today but not id rather have a free market than be China or Russia or Cuba. You can make something of yourself here legitimately without exploiting people.
if you guys actually want to hear information from the source, check rosanna pansino's statements. she's in direct contact with participants of mr beast's recent competition show and directly reads their statements.
omg, i forgot she went under fire for exposing beast WAY before this whole scandal. she got SO much hate for it, so it was swept under the rug. i believed her back then (still do ofc), glad she's finally getting her good karma and beast is getting what he deserves.
@@jiminssi2989 She didn't 'expose' Mr.Beast. She had 0 proof of how mr.beast faked his challenges, back then. She was also being very disingenuous about the whole thing, saying she had 'proof', but somehow hesitant to release it to the public. She's also not a very reliable source, she's a known liar - lying about how she's never had plastic surgery done on her face, despite changes to her face being very obvious and unnatural.
i think DogPack immediately assuming Ludwig was controlled opposition was too hasty, but like, my ass would be immediately suspicious of someone who worked close w/ MrBeast too im ngl
It also doesn't help a lot of the people who worked with him directly are now all of a sudden not wanting to do drama the moment this happens. Like Moist Critical, the dogpack video came out and suddenly its "i don't want to do drama anymore". Its really fucky when a lot of them are the first people to talk about this shit, it feels really fucking slimy.
@@bio0link what are you talking about? He clearly said in the video he's going out of the podcast, where they usually just talk about the latest drama, and not the main channel.
Difference is history. If youve watched lud enough its pretty obvious but hes p much just a melee guy who got wrapped into fame and is trying to make the best of it
@@bio0link I think this is disingenuous, you need to think ab how much drama bs has been happening. If this happened like 4 months ago itd be a different story. Also you come saying these people who had no following and nothing to lose saying stuff as if its the same as someone who does
If the "he can just leave" arguement doesnt make sense to you, think of it in terms of a power dynamic. Lets say your working at a company and your boss is talking about giving you a promotion but instead of giving it to you directly through your hard work, he makes you do personal tasks or makes you accomidate for his needs. Hes abusing his power and leverage to make you do something you dont want to do. But in your head, your willing to sacrifice your dignity for this once in a lifetime opportunity. Its not easy to just "walk away" and its illegal for a reason. Its extrmely manipulative and coersive.
So basically Mr. Beast took it to the next level by abusing his position of power to literally torture someone for content. $10k a day is a once in a lifetime opportunity so Mr beast pretty much had the "freedom" to do whatever he wanted. Not saying the challenge should be easy by any means. But there's a clear difference between a challenge and torture
That's different though. You are locked into that situation. If you decline, you're opening yourself up for retaliation. So there's the extra threat of retaliation, quitting, or getting fired. People go to a Mr Beast shoot knowing it's going to be a situation like that and willingly sign up to be asked if they want to participate. His workers that participate are also not trying to win. This isn't quid pro quo
@@Billycca3 anyone would willingly sign up for that, even if they're told what they're going to go through that's not the same as really understanding how difficult it is. it sounds crazy easy for the amount of money you get and once you're in, you're both essentially guilted into not leaving (because mr beast doesn't get a video out of it and is forced to give up on the idea which in turn loses him money) and lose out on a connection with mr beast that might net you more money through challenges later as well as losing the 300k you can earn in the current challenge.
@@Billycca3 Yeah it's not even about the money but the pressure of the challenge either you'll get fired or you'll appear less in future videos, fellow employees won't treat you well for failing the challenge, you'll waste the money people making the set and producing the video. It's really not something you can easily back out.
What can you do when people are out to get you just because you wanted to stay away from the serious crimes that your close acquaintance/friend and would… I don’t know? Would not want to get involved in? Sure he glossed things over last vid but at least he is out here owning up to it and reasoning himself out of the shit whole this is. And what are you talking about 10% of Mr beast situation, he is out here TALKING ABOUT ITT? Why are you even angry at the collateral damage that Mr beast has done? Be angry at the ACTUAL CRIMINAL. Think about it for a second. If your close friend had been the nicest person ever your whole interactions with them and then one day you suddenly hear allegations about him/her. Even I would find myself struggling to comprehend that said “nice” person would do something BECAUSE he/she had never acted out of the “nice” persona when they were with me or in the friend group. Same said here. If you had even listened to the first part of this video where he addressed this, maybe you’d have a different perspective instead of hating just for hating without understanding the situation and context!
@@muboobilee3607 they weren't even that close lol what does that guy even mean. also, ludwig's one of the biggest content creators adjacent to mr beast out there - he's not just 'some guy'. if he always stayed out of 'drama' (aka, controversies surrounding other creators) then avoiding talking about this would be a normal thing, but the fact that Ludwig often talks about other people's drama if they're not his friends, but wouldn't talk about Mr Beast - that would obviously be favouritism. if you're gonna talk about, for ex, Dr Disrespect then you gotta talk about Mr Beast, otherwise you're sending the message that one side is worth talking about and the other isn't.
@@muboobilee3607 you mean what Chris has done? What Mr beast has been doing is what he always has been doing. Just nobody gives a shit until someone complains. Wtf did Ludwig do massive L with you liking that anime in your pfp you are such a hater to watch that.
Hey, Ludwig -- I don't watch your content, but I've seen you in videos with other creators I like. I don't know much about you, and I have neutral to neutral-positive feelings about you. Maybe this will allow me to give you advice without bias of my own. I think something you're missing is that you have power -- Mr. Beast's employees and video-subjects don't. The way Mr. Beast treats you is going to be different than the way he treats other people, because if he made you unhappy, you would be a threat. In your shoes, I would consider acknowledging this and stepping out. Referring to it as a "bias" doesn't quite cover it, because a bias suggests you and the victims are seeing the same information, but that you have prior experiences that make you feel differently. The truth is, you and the victims have completely DIFFERENT information and experiences with this man. You will NEVER be able to be an authority on what sort of character he has, because you are not someone he could hurt without consequence. So long as you think that your own experiences are just as valid to bring to the table as theirs, you are fundamentally missing the fact that any face he put on in front of you would *never* be the one he shows ordinary people. I think you came close to acknowledging this, but moved on before making these connections. I think bowing out BEFORE making this connection is unfortunate, though after watching this video, I predict that this is probably your plan. I think your audience and fans will appreciate you more, however, if you do some serious self-reflection on why it is that your own perspective on this is innately less-useful than someone else's. Good luck!
1:20 just putting this out there as a possibility, but it is also possible that you don't know "MrBeast the person" and that you actually know "MrBeast the 'I'm talking to another large content creator'"
You literally cannot be banned from a U.S. state for any legal reason at all, so everyone should have immediately known that was wrong. Then again, most people don't even know how many branches of government there are, let alone name all of them, so I guess that's where we're at now.
@@thomassteele9649 It doesn't have to have legal merit to be the origin of the nickname. People are uninformed and make uninformed jokes which can turn into nicknames.
Both Lud and Jojo have displayed the consequence of negligence. Lud has a problem with pausing before giving media time to explain itself or finish a point and leads to numerous clips of him giving uninformed takes because he isn’t allowing himself context. And then commentators like Jojo can take the clips and assume that’s the real narrative and promote false information to their audience, and it just creates a gross spiral of negativity
If he didnt pause and say his thoughts people would accuse him of just being a bad react channel that doesn't contribute to the content, there's no one size fits all solution to this stuff
Just to build on this since it’s getting some attention, I’m not getting on Ludwig for pausing. He can do whatever the hell he wants on his stream. The problem is the second part, not giving enough consideration to what he is saying and why he’s saying it. And Jojo, while I’ve never watched him, I’m sure had good intent on trying to keep someone he cares about accountable. Because if Jojo didn’t care about Lud, I doubt Jojo would have made the video on Lud in the first place. He just needs to take more time to verify the context before making a video like that.
What can happen is that many countries can ban mrbeast videoes in the country. Like my country completly banned any unofficial gambling, only gambling you can do here is scratch ticket and/or betting on football (not american football) and can't forget those slot machines but then again they too got removed.
@guestindisguise7079 unfortunately Mr Beast still has nothing to lose The man has probably already bagged 100's of millions, he has generational wealth at this point and the means to make more money through different ventures even if the channel dies outright He will suffer no consequences of his actions
love how we're ignoring the game show in which mr beast refused to give contestants medication and hygiene products, causing several people to be hospitalized and several seizures on set? also the fact that contestants were specifically told that they WOULD have access to these things? And that mr beast claims that he fed them 3 meals a day but the meals consisted of a single feastable or a small bowl of cold oatmeal?
I think many don’t reply to, what i can only imagine is beast-game’s. Is because it’s not out and at least covered extensively like the rest. When more info will be out i believe that it will be discussed a lot, so dont worry we will get our juicy gossip sooner or later. 😂
I think that sometimes youtubers/content creators can't really appropriately comment on these issues because they have such content brain. Like, there are moments when you can see how professionally wired they are towards results and views and growth and I think it does warp their reaction to scenarios like this.
Yeah. The biggest fault I gave Ludwig is jumping at the opportunity of interviewing Dogpack with no prep. It gives better time to really meditate on the info and gather your thoughts.
another youtuber that i stopped watching exactly because of this was linustechtips. the last thing i remember watching from him was a live show where he talked abt some random drama w a company and customer, and before even hearing the whole story you could tell how biased he was towards the company in that situation. like, i get that he also owns a tech company but his bias was so strong, + the LTT drama and so i just dropped him lol
This is common when dealing with the ultra wealthy and powerful. Once one person gets enough courage and spills the beans, the floodgates open and everyone who was wronged before, now feel comfortable enough to come forward.
because stuff like this always happens with big companies, they suppress controversy, become greedy, and stop giving a shit because they think "they're too big to fail" and sure it works for a time then the lid blows off and it all comes flooding out, just look at what happened to T series, Faze, etc
@@Juujika0 a guy who went by the nickname delaware. he's a registered sex offender for assaulting a minor and worked for years for mr beast and apparently the company was even trying to clean his record. and the reason he was nicknamed delaware is because he's not allowed in delaware anymore, because that's where he abused a child. and tons of people working for the company were aware of the story behind his nickname and he was still allowed to work there and be in close proximity to minors. all this info was in the 2nd dogpack video if you want to hear it in better details alongside the proof of it
Offering $300k to someone who grew up poor is just another form of manipulating someone into gambling all of the future earnings on an unrealistic and dangerous outcome. Especially as a writer or any creative field, earning that much money by age 40 or 50 is a rare achievement. "Here's an amount of money you'll never make even in 20 years, if you let yourself go without sleep, darkness, or a lack of the smell of dairy products, for a month. or just leave, your call"
@@Veed_Feeds "take 300k or walk away with 100k" is a completely different choice that you all are conveniently forgetting. he was greedy and mentally unfit for a challenge, that's it.
Idk if I’m sounding really ignorant rn but if the conditions were truly that life threatening then why didn’t he leave? I understand it’s a lot of money but if you ask any person on the street if they would take 300k or basically their life, they would choose their life no?
@@Hoogusare you asking people in rich neighborhoods? Or is this a serious question? Cause you know as well as I do that most people would have done it for the 300k
Allegations aside, I think you are mistaken in thinking jimmy is going to treat normal people in the same way he would treat an youtuber with a platform and risk getting flamed for it. So maybe the way you can sympathize with him is only okay from your POV.
Exactly. It’s stupid to think Jimmy’s treatment of fellow TH-camrs wouldn’t be different. His friendship with TH-camrs all have some sort of business involved, there’s mutual benefits and if he does something abhorrent they could call him out. Jake said (it might’ve been in a text message show) in the video that if Karl was in the same situation, MrBeasts empire would burn. But, because it was Jake, Jimmy could do whatever he wanted with him, and he would never have been able to call him out on his own. It’s the same with all these other TH-camrs and big names, Jimmy has to be friendly, has to have respect towards their humanity.
He literally acknowledges this point, he said as much, he has a biased perspective, hence why he didn’t want to talk about it. Making him talk about it and then deranging him about how he’s cautious about it since he has a conflicting experience, is horrible behavior from viewers. He wants to take no risk in misinforming himself or others.
@@pinkywholng6421 from what I gathered from the video, he acknowledged he’s biased as someone he knows MrBeast the person, and that’s why he thinks he’s a good guy. He doesn’t acknowledge that he knows MrBeast the person *as someone who is a millionaire youtuber* and that’s the key difference. MrBeast is going to act differently towards him than he would someone who isn’t famous, like Jake for example, and that’s why Jake was able to be treated so poorly. Now, Jake was an employee, but still, it’s about being able to treat someone poorly because of their lack of followers. Ludwig doesn’t really acknowledge that how he knows MrBeast is different than how a normal person would know MrBeast. Maybe I’m wrong and he did acknowledge that, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
@@user-1176 Exactly what I was thinking, I don't know how people don't think that either. Also funny how Ludwig switches views when it's best for public appearance. Also associated with the Poggers Community, he would be exiled by HasanAbi Lord Manipulator himself for still supporting MrBeast.
Super on brand for Ludwig to watch 1/3 of a video, asking the owner questions about it on livestream, and finish the rest later only to realize he would've gained a lot more info he just watched 30 more minutes before calling.
@@lalalahihihi hes just being a reaction streamer tbh. he's done it with SO many things. (or similar things), but they weren't as important so people didn't go on about it.
@@noahdude628 it's still weird that when he thought the video was "weak" he was so ready to call dogpack and dogpile but once he finished the video he realized he couldn't protect his friend mr beast anymore and realized defending him would be bad for him. It seems like he was willing to defend the wrongdoings of mr beast if dogpacks claims were soft. He even rolled his eyes when dogpack said he couldn't talk about his NDA which is expected of an employee. Only after getting so many dislikes he flipped fast. Ludwig and moistcritical always flip their views when their audience doesn't validate their opinion.
@@CluelessCarterI mean I think its fine to change your views especially when an overwhelming amount of people is telling you its wrong. I think for me the biggest issue is that he was so sure that Mr. Beast was a good person that he just jumped on a livestream fully uninformed to give his opinion as if he was livestreaming a movie or something. It feels insane and absolutely stupid to me to livestream something so serious, and also try to have a conversation with someone with an audience egging you on. Maybe thats just me but I frankly don’t like yapping without getting all the context first.
I'm glad you called out how you completely took an L during that live. Now if only Jimmy can do the same edit: i didn't expect people to argue over simple stuff. i'm not saying i believe him, everyone has pr teams, but at least he's doing more than what Jimmy is doing and acknowledging what he said wrong and clarifying (which is what i mean by my comment). and be so fr, everyone has someone they supported who got called out for shit. you unfollow and move on.
@@ansjshsnsj i mean.. Ludwig did pull out of a Feastables sponsorship for his next event, if Ludwig is willing to lose money then why wouldn't what he said in this video be true?
@@jrelyea828 parasocial moment when you assume an online creators feelings or intentions "you really believe what he says" "hes a grifter lets be real here"
Holy shit stop saying “they made mistakes” or “they fucked up”. Losing my keys is a fucking mistake. Putting someone through torture and then ignoring their asks for help is EVIL AND INTENTIONAL.
“Whoops I accidentally coerced this man into walking into solitary confinement by promising him obscene amounts of cash and WHOOPS I accidentally deprived him of sleep for 3 weeks and mentally destroyed him, silly me!”
"an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong." I don't think you realise how broad of a spectrum a "mistake" is, losing your keys and torture would both make sense under a "mistake".
🤓 well actually he didn't know publishing the videos would give him backlash so the poor reception to him intentionally torturing people for entertainment to get profit was technically an oversight on his part!!! he didn't know viewers could have empathy for the victims of his content guys!!!!!
@@thesecretwombat056 well good thing he has his 12yo fanbase to care about the workers he's exploiting on his own behalf because unsupervised if this is what's usually going on without him noticing then he must be accidentally getting them into a bunch of other silly little blunders off-camera that we haven't even heard about yet
the irony is, this type of torture is used to mess people mentaly, so saying "he could just give up and leave" is missing the fact that he was not in the right place mentaly, after some point his brain was just too messed up to understand exactly what was going on. which, as i said IS THE POINT OF THIS TYPE OF TORTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
@@Patrick-dw4ms dude, how can you misunderstand that hard? its not that he had mental issues BEFORE. its that THIS type of torture is used TO CREATE mental fatigue in the first place.
@Patrick-dw4ms money pulls them in, mental problems keep them in. I personally would do basically everything you asked for a cool 300,000. I thought at first that leaving the lights on wouldn't be a big deal and even now it still feels like I could do it. But thats probably not true.
@@spiralspark8523 its one of those small things people dont realize, but there's a reason why it was used as a torture method. remember, he was locked in a room, with no clocks, and no sunlight. so his body completely lost notion of time, and that can mess you up real bad. the light on all the time only agravates it more.
Am I missing something? Who are you arguing with? Ludwig admitted that he was just blindly stupidly reacting in his first video, but never meant it seriously and even took it back in THIS video. Why are you typing like Ludwig is doubling down on "he could just give up and leave." What in the straw man argument is going on, lmao...
I'm unable to look at this response in good faith This whole video feels like damage control. Cherry picking some ASMR channel to debunk and make yourself look better doesn't change how slow and reluctant your response was. You admit yourself you just wanted to do a react stream and blast through the videos just to say you've responded and i percieve that as nothing but scummy and calculated. A response on your second channel is only happening now because the tides are turning on Mr Beast hard and you need to salvage some PR. I cannot shake the feeling that this video was made with completely different intentions than what you're saying on camera and to sit there and say "look guys! I didnt take one of my brand deals I'm so ethical!" really irritated me.
The part talking about why the guy “didn’t just leave” reminded me of the Stanford Prison experiment and kind of learned helplessness. The brain sometimes just gives up on what a person, outside of the traumatic experiences, would consider logical. Poor dude tho, solitary confinement has made people go crazy, hope he got help or is getting some now. Edit: to the people saying Stanford Prison experiment was staged, this is my first time hearing this so thanks, only referenced it specifically was because of how well known it was. Stating this, there are still other examples that lead to the same conclusion I stated above.
I remember when Mr. Beast did that video and immediately I was thinking about the logistics and how they could possibly manage to not make it have the similar issues to the experiment. Seems like the people who have studied psych/soc/philosophy and know about the importance of ethics board approval knew this was going to be a major issue
hell even fucking Squid Game went over it. people are irrational, and psychological manipulation is scarily easily. "why didn't he leave" is the same shit rhetoric that excuses abusive partners and fascist states.
@@dannic54 I'm just hearing about it now but I'm surprised this wasn't more controversial when the video first came out. They literally paid people to subject themselves to torture
most people wouldn't leave because they need the money not because of trauma or whatever that makes no sense. the Stanford prison experiment wasn't real. the problem is that people NEED the money he is offering so they have no real choice in participating, its not true consent.
@@durdleduc8520people dont just leave because they need the money and impoverished people cannot deny money because their lives literally depend on it not because of magic instant manipulation
Honestly huge respect for Ludwig coming back around to this. Takes guts to admit when you're wrong. Still watching the vid but mad respect restored so far
You getting clipped saying "bad takes" because you didn't have enough context I believe was one of the main arguments against live-reacting to content back when that was the biggest drama on the internet for a day.
I'm sorry, but this video clearly has the wrong focus. You titled it "Finally talking about MrBeast", but in actuality most of its time you spend defending yourself against JoJo, which is completely irrelevant given the seriousness of the allegations against MrBeast. While you did take some stances on MrBeasts actions, this should've been the main focus of the video.
What else did you want him to say that wasn't already said by millions of others? He talked about mr beast, but the main focus was saying "hey, i was wrong on these things regarding mr beast" and then at the end said he just doesn't agree with this stuff and isn't going to support him anymore. Like i don't understand what you wanted him to say, what you wanted him to focus on. To me this clarified a lot of stuff and put ludwig in a good light again for me
@@Fancyetherit’s not his obligation but it is the title of the video. I realize this is kinda the game with TH-cam nowadays, but it is kinda annoying because I definitely didn’t click this video because I think Ludwig is complicit in any way.
The comments saying “he could leave anytime” that won’t hold up in court. Same reason medical study’s that pay their participants, can not pay them a life changing amount of money. Because courts now that people will make rash decisions when desperate. I mean look at squid games. If that happened in real life it would have major law suits even if no one actual died
I don’t agree with his “he could leave anytime” point, but I do want to bring up that in the US, there is no limit on how much a clinical trial can pay participants or how much participants can earn from clinical trials in total.
@@soggyhasclips Part of it is TH-cam also auto deletes comments. Half of my comments end up getting deleted completely off a video but still show in comment history, If they actually cared they could fix the bot problem but it shows engagement with their site and if they did address it, would see a massive dip in "engagement" along with bots re scraping actual peoples comments. So many accounts now made within the last year with no pfp
I don't think he's really trying to hide that it is. The whole point of the video is "I tried to get around this and I did it poorly". Should he have just addressed it better in the first place? Yes. But he is acknowledging that he didn't, and isn't really trying to defend the message of what he said (though he does point out a few places where Jojo misrepresented what was actually said). I think it's a pretty good apology video.
Having a discord server...... knowing minors were mods....and still facilitating Corn to minors is reprehensible. HOW NO ONE is appalled by this fact is insane.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm no Mr.Beast fan but from what I get those are pretty unfounded allegations, at least with what we currently know. Sure, AKT ABSOLUTELY did that, but to what degree Mr. Beast himself was involved with that shit is completely unknown. Everyone's appalled by the AKT stuff, but she is already cancelled and out, her reputation is dead and no one's really defending her. But we're talking about the entire company now, and how much THEY were involved in the discord mess is just speculation, at least right now. That's why there's not that much talk about it right now.
@@kilbornagon if its from hearsay of random twitter user then it's not really a concrete proof. I mean if it was actually him nobody i mean nobody can even vouch him anymore not even youtube can defend that. The discord was use to send illegal stuff
Jojo used to run a Leafy-style commentary channel called "Sinn0h". He was driven out of that community for trend-hopping and sloppily putting together low-effort rage bait content without doing his due diligence to faithfully represent the facts of the topic at hand. It's unfortunate to see that all these years later, he hasn't evolved in this sense.
@@smballs79 war crimes can only happen in war, this is just torture, still very, very shitty and bad thing to do but not a war crime (not trying to be a dick but calling everything a war crime takes away from actual war crimes)
Personally I don’t think you should have to earn a basic human right (turning the lights off) in a challenge. The adaptation from the show should be “okay clearly he’s not well and he needs the light off. How can we move forward and film around it?” It doesn’t have to be part of the video. If the challenge was “stay in this room with the lights on” and the challenge was “if you win we’ll give you a break.” Then there is some mild dystopian justification for that. The challenge was “stay in this room”. Torture was never a part of that agreement. It’s the challenge runner’s responsibility to look after the contestant. If somethings wrong, fix it. The show doesn’t matter more than a person.
Yes^ I don’t think forcing your employees to basically dance for food when they’re starving is necessarily moral. Or giving them a “choice” to give up potential cash in exchange for the lights to be turned off so a person can sleep.
Yeah, from my understanding ludwig was saying that there should of been times were the light should be turned on, he then said at the very least make it part of a challenge if you wanted to get content out of it. I think him saying that was very unnecessary and made it easy for people to misunderstand him but he made it very clear that he though it was terrible and wrong that the light were always on.
Aye, I agree that's still a pretty L take from Lud. Like I'll chalk it up to content brain, at the very least he knows this shouldn't have been a thing AT ALL. But the suggestion to make it a challenge reward is actually brain rotted.
@@Selphie12 Wait what, I don’t know if I missed something but Ludwig in this video did not suggest that it should be a challenge reward to get the lights on but said the complete opposite
thank you I was looking for this comment. its abysmal to suggest they 'adapt' around a human rights violation in videography sense. Just turn the lights off without any kind of extortion, and a 10 second VoiceOver saying 'from this point on we switched the lights off...". thats so unnerving for Ludwig to stand by that.
Seeing Jake in tears throughout that interview while recounting his experiences was heartbreaking, he was wronged in so many ways by MrBeast that a simple apology won't make up for it, he needs justice.
yeah and ppl saying "he looks crazy, hes weird" for his behavior in the video are so stupid. ive legit seen ppl saying he must be faking because hes acting emotional and not just stone faced saying his story
@@captaintitus7711 buddy you clearly dont know anything about charlie 😂 he said he was done talking about drama for a while because he finds no enjoyment in talkijg about internet t
18:26 you also forget that when he said he wanted out, they just decided to keep him in there for a while longer to see if he changes his mind. So at that point they were holding him captive
That isn't what happened, they might have convinced him to stay longer which is still pretty fucked up but let's not act like they chained him up and said "nah you can stand it a little longer"
There is a reason why it's illegal to put a billboard ad about donating plasma in a poor area. Poor people will drain their blood near empty if it means getting some money. What Mr. Beast did is the same. People can't say no to him because he is offering a lot of money, even if it means suffering for his video. Glad more people are starting to see how wrong this is.
Doesn’t donating plasma already have a baked-in limit of like once per 3 weeks to prevent exactly that? I don’t see what the harm is unless they’re malnourished enough that it would be dangerous for them, and even then afaik donating plasma is generally run by medical professionals who would understand that and disqualify them for it being unsafe
@@Werlevys Dunno if they do, but if they wanted to they could keep a shared log of who has done it recently so they can prevent that For safety’s sake, of course. People might do it by accident, gotta protect them :)
@@HyperLuigi37 in the us a person is actually allowed to donate twice weekly in some areas i believe, which is apparently three times more than is by doctors in europe.
Or maybe that little or lot of money can make a huge or some difference in people’s live. That’s a choice people take with contract agreement they know in advance what they are putting themselves through. The challenge is to make it a little tough also they always have the chance to leave with the money they have already built.
Lud comparing it to Nasubi is very accurate. Nasubi was constantly made fun of, he was in fact held prisoner when he wanted to quit, and they changed the rules multiple times to screw him over.
@@vaishnavisingh9244i know ur being hyperbolic lmao but there’s definitely some white collar crimes In here he could get charged for illegal lotteries being at the top
the sad thing is that a content creator like mr beast will likely never have to leave TH-cam since his audience is too young to be able to understand this type of situation or care at all
You're right, he could have easily stuck with the guy who knowly employed a s3x offender and tortures ex employees for clicks. All Luds would have lost his muti million dollar careeer. What courage.
Summary: 1.- Ludwig had already called out most of the important stuff and said MRBeast should respond to it. 2.- The guy who made the video on Ludwig called him out for stuff he had already corrected in that same livestream. 3.- You don't have to dogpile on your friends for allegations without watching evidence and hearing their side of the story. Lessons to be learned by the internet: 1.- Not everyone is evil and out to get you. 2.- Nice people can and will do shitty things on accident and eventually they'll correct them. (Yes even you or your favorite person) 3.- Content creators shouldn't be expected to make responses the day something happens specially if they're not involved and don't know the full context. Drive fast, touch grass, eat ass.
It only took his collective fans hating on him for him to really address this issue. He saw that he will lose his audience if he still don't address it. That being said, at least he spoke out unlike other big youtuber who involved in mrbeast who is radio silent.
guys im stepping away from dama for a whopping 3 days before returning just because someone cooked me time to title the video "talking about mrbeast" and spend the entire video defending myself instead of actually talking about mrbeast
he’s talking about mr beast because he has been in Mr beast videos not because he wants to talk about drama and who would want to just sit back letting people bad mouth you
There is a difference between someone being "controlled opposition" and being biased. People reacting with HATE because someone didnt immediately throw someone they consider a friend under the bus is frustrating. Hes a person, he has biases. It doesnt mean hes evil or intentionally manipulating.
@muneebelahi7580 No? Not related at all. But I think most people acknowledge how he treated the situation was poor but then this video he took accountability and responsibility and made it right imo
controlled opposition is when an entity has someone pretend to oppose it. this "controlled" opposition usually does an intentionally bad job of opposing the original entity for the purpose of making all opposition to that entity look bad. ludwig didn't do this, so claims that he's "controlled opposition" are incorrect. i assume it was originally just a simple misuse of the word but still, he's objectively not controlled opposition.
The fake like to dislike ratio in Jojoasmr video is from the extension, which tracks the ratio of likes to dislikes that is given by the people who have the extension installed, and then estimates the dislikes based on that ratio. probably not maliciously false, just using a poor aproximation that is all anyone has for videos unless the youtuber shows their own statistics
The issue with that extension is that the dislikes are absurdly disproportionate, because the people getting the extension are getting it solely to dislike again.
The problem. And it's the problem with literally all reporting. When you report false stuff, like he did in other parts of the video it just makes you look so bad.
jojo took down his video and apologized for including some misleading clips - i appreciate him doing that it's certainly going above and beyond what 99% of creators would do. we also spoke privately and chopped it up and he seems like a cool dude! okay thats all have good day every1
GG
thanks for addressing this properly 👍
I just watched that video and came here to see you comment this a few minutes ago
Cool
only positive things came from this. jojo calls out, you recognize your mistakes, jojo deletes the call out when the impact was made, you give awareness to what matters. so cool
i love it when people on the internet call something "drama" and then you go hear the hot goss and it's literally a crime.
It's both drama and a crime
this 😭😭😭😭 everyone’s brains are rotting istg
its drama bc, even tho the allegations are WILD, theyres no legal proceedings going through (nothing public atm*) and the only information any1 has abt it is word-of-mouth
@@n00by90 What legal proceedings could be going on? The only thing that may have been actually criminal, would be the shirt sales. And they are at about the statue of limitations.
@@ChaosJoerg what about the sleep deprivation with the solitary confinement vid from the 2nd vid by dogpack?
i think a lot of big youtubers are glossing over the v real fact that being offered 300k is literally life changing money. i watched that entire interview and am broke enough that i knew i would've tried it, especially if the team was telling me "it'll be easy" to win. like as a normal, broke civilian with debts/bills to pay how are you supposed to say no to that. natsubi is exactly who i thought of.
Yep. I literally watched the whole thing, saw this man break down and show clear signs of PTSD, and know if the exact same situation were offered to me tomorrow, I would do it. Because most of us are struggling to survive.
I think that's part of why so many people say "hE cOuLd JuSt LeAvE" and dismiss the victim's story -- because there's a part of them that feels a little jealous? Maybe jealous isn't the right word. A part of them that feels like they could do "better?" I think for a lot of ordinary people who watch that video, we hear the prize money and our eye glaze over a bit. That IS life-changing money. That feels like an open door into a world most of us will never experience. And so we think that in that situation, we could bear it or do better than he did, because we would do just about anything for that opportunity. We say this without realizing that we have just proven EXACTLY why the victim didn't leave. When enough money is on the line, you almost lose your agency.
Yeah I’m glad Ludwig talked about that
Who wouldn't? Show someone $300,000, right in their face, they would be running into the room yelling, "Let's get started!"
The Nasubi situation was so crazy. My man got so messed up by the experience that it took him months to get used to wearing clothes after it. All that for like like $65k. His story is like a Black Mirror episode. TV producers are something else regardless of the country.
That's exactly the problem with pretty much all of Mrbeast's challenges is that he puts a high prize money and purposefully finds desperate people aka the middle class, because he knows the more they are desperate, the more they are willing to compete and hence more drama = better content for him, its crazy how he has planned out all these videos to be as profitable for him as it could be, and at the end of the day, he can't even lose all his relevance on TH-cam cuz his audience is a bunch of retarded brainless 11 year olds who watch Skibidi Toilet and have the attention span of (-∞). Its tragic to see how TH-cam simply used to be a place where you could upload some dumb videos and have fun, now its pretty much how big media controlled Television in the old days, and even worse cuz internet reaches a much larger audience.
"MrBeast messed up" is downplaying the situation. Many of the issues that have been raised are systemic. Patterns of behavior. It's a messed up structure. Not a one-time fuck up.
Hes still banking on that feastables sponsor
some people can never be satisfied
That's the best he can say XD, he want's the money to keep pumping, doesn't matter what happens to kids.
@@kraya6740 why are you all acting like ludwig is responsible for everything beast did, this man is literally just some random dude talking about his opinions on things happening around him and every time he doesn't hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head, people call him a coward or blindly accuse him of greed. not an uncommon mindset now days either, it's bewildering to see threads like this devolve because some third party's coverage of an issue wasn't 100% perfect
"MrBeast messed up" is reflecting how he changed from 3 years ago when he never did all of this
Hiring a convicted sex offender to the team that caterers to minors is the WILDEST thing I've heard all year. 2024 is officially the year of the predator
his channel wasnt for kids back then
Facts! Literally every month there’s been a new crazy story…I can’t even imagine what the year wrap up will look like when 2024 is all said and done. Also have a strange feeling 2025 won’t be any better😑
Don’t worry the pdf offender said he didn’t do it so ‘trust me brother in law’ logic
@@hit-plasterit was for kids. like 12-16 year olds primarily
The year of the mask off, you mean. Hollywood and TH-cam have always been this way.
"You can't compare them, because survivor is a professionally produced show"
The entire point everyone is making, is that Jimmy should have been running a professional production
Even his Amazon show is allegedly not a professional production with a contract of over $100 million.
yes that is exactly it
no that makes the video worse. the whole point is that its distancing itself from the classic gameshow.
@@mikhail3373 There is merit to that and to take it away defeats the purpose. Doesn't change the question being raised, how can he achieve classic game shows have without being the same thing?
It's surprising how much of this goes over people's heads. Everyone laughs at the outragous amount of cash any modern Hollywood movie takes these days where even if they released 'Paint-Drying: The Movie' the budget would be $120 million or something. However, there are so many roles on a film set every day depending on what exactly is happening that are not just the typical director/producer/camera/sound and actors for the camera just to ensure nothing stupid happens, laws aren't broken and people and animals aren't killed. But somehow Beast has thus far managed to get to the #1 spot of TH-cam and be the defacto YT golden child, with supposed crazy amounts of money on the line for "prizes" and a huge amount of budget for the filming. Yet all this time he's somehow managed to ride the scapegoat coattails of "Oh he's *just* some TH-camr" using the percieved negative connotation 'just some youtube person" has in contrast to what is typically considered "real" like professional film crews. All in a chance to I'd assume use his position both as a known person yet "just a youtuber" to not spend nearly as much in production costs or have to have certain roles that would of been required on "real" film set. From what is coming out combined with what we know of from things like his Amazon show, his productions would probably be seen by other more "typical" production companies and film crews as a freakin clown show run by mental children flying by the seat of their pants doing whatever they think other children are going to want to see with people going to end up hurt or eventually dead.
I can just picture their sets - Hey Joe, you should like totally stick your head in that lion's mouth. Oh and like, look scared and scream a little bit. This'll be awesome bro, like bro, we'll get so many clicks if you stick your head in that lions mouth. OH OH. Ben! When he does it, bro you should like totally slap the lion on the butt. But like, look like you're tryin to be real stealthy and coy about it. Oh dude this is going to be awesome. What's that Joe? Sorry not now we'll talk later, gotta get rollin man, ok places people!
I think it’s also important to note that him being a good guy around you and him overall not being a great person are not mutually exclusive. You have a massive fanbase, while everyone coming out with their negative experiences with Mr Beast are people with a significantly smaller following. In my opinion, the experiences of those with less power are far more indicative of his character.
It's also just the difference of a public facing persona vs a private facing one. As the child of a sociopathic abuser many *many* people outside the family who don't see the 'private' face think of them as good people because they know how to be good and polite and kind on the surface. The private face only comes out in certain situations, particularly where they have power or authority as a safety net. Hence why rich sociopaths tend to get called out, they think "hey I've got so much power I don't need to worry anymore" so the private face becomes *more* public and the public less prevalent.
Reminds me of when celebrities came out trying to say that Ellen wasn't a bad person because she was nice to them.
He has said he thinks attention is more important than money with fits well with this point. A normal bad person would respect people with a lot of money and show their real face around poorer people. Where Mr Beast cares more about the attention his "friends" have, so that, should something happen, his "friends" can tell their big audiences "thats not true guys!"
This is why he targets kids. They are impressionable, they will take the word of their youtubers. And that is why Mr Beast will never need to do anything unless more even bigger youtubers that make kids content speak out. But that won't happen because Mr Beast has carefully controlled his image.
I was in a similar situation with one of my best guy friends of 9 years. He SA’ed his girlfriend but I cut off all ties. Hurts like Hell but you got to stand up for what is right. Ludwig hardly did that. No respect from me.
In Psychology, a study is deemed unethical if you prey on a vulnerable population by incentivizing participation, especially in strenuous studies. Like if you take a starving person and offer them food in exchange for participation. There's a whole board that determines the ethics for studies. Mr. Beast is doing shit very similar to psychological studies (like Stanford Prison Experiment, for example) that NEEDS to be regulated by a third party to prevent things like this from happening. Most Americans are struggling, and so participation in harsh conditions in exchange for money gets into murky ethical shit especially dependent from person to person depending on their backgrounds (which also needs to be considered prior to putting them into a study). It isn't easy to leave when you're promised life-changing amounts of money, especially when you're brought up fighting for resources, or even if you're just the average American making minimum wage during a time where it's very difficult to get a job or a home. Most game shows should be brought into question under this thinking, however, Mr. Beast is pushing the envelope with things like putting a person in solitary for 30 days. Survivor might be in the same group as well, given what you showed. Regardless, it's important to minimize emotional or physical harm to contestants. If you're traumatizing someone for content, you're doing it wrong. There are plenty of other mediums for entertainment that don't include doing extreme shit to those involved, and with the level of money he has, there is no excuse.
mrbeast literally thinks that he is a god above every mere mortal who should be crying from happiness at the opportunity to lick his toes. I truly think that he gets off to humiliating and torturing people. That guy definetely should be thoroughly investigated.
thank you for the informed take. i studied psychology and this is completely correct. even incentivizing a MUCH smaller amount of money than 100 thousand freaking dollars is considered ethically gray
Exactly I’ve always thought his videos starting from around 2019 and on felt more like potential psychological studies just dumbed down for children’s entertainment and always felt that it was kinda iffy with some of his “challenges” and now that there’s light of this all I could think was how on par this is to the Stanford prison experiments and what controlled power does to people so I’m glad someone else recognized that
I agree with you, however, there is no such thing as an ERB/IRB or REC for "contests" that I'm aware of. He's doing these under the guise of a contest, not an experiment. The question isn't "what will happen to this person, physically or emotionally, if they stay in solitary for 30 days?" That's not what's being asked. The question is "Can this person stay in solitary for 30 days to win $1,000,000?"
@@ThatDudeDeven
It’s the same thing in practice and there are very similar regulations for contests, the only reason he’s been able to get away with it for a while is because he’s been doing it primarily on the internet instead of on TV, so a lot of the regulation that applies to this typically hasn’t been extended due to how relevantly “recent” the internet and content creators are.
Personally I thought the message of Squid Games was a bit on-the-nose, but apparently a bunch of people watched it on Netflix and the message of "hey, maybe it's a bit f-ed up to make poor people dance for you for the promise of a prize" flew right above their head.
Oh the irony....
i was hoping someone would say this. "hey we created the torture machine from popular tv show 'don't create the torture machine'" kind of vibe.
As a poor person, give me 10k and id dance however you want me to.
Yeah make wipe out and fear factor illegal.
since it was about him and what he does, jimmy probably didn't realize the people running the games were the bad guys lol
I don’t know how I feel about a Mr beast ad interrupting a video criticizing him
Does mrbeast do ads
@Jeppe-Fielsoe yes, he does
I’m guessing it’s a monster hunter world ad 💀
@@Sckezabro can you read it’s a mr beast ad
@@RobinsMusicjimmy is in a monster Hunter world ad, sir. Please calm down.
Man it just sucks because Rosanna Pansino was talking about Mr Beast being shady since over a year ago i think, and people absolutely DOGGED on her. I hope she gets more support now that things are becoming more clear
That’s also the reason why Jake Weddle and Dogpack waited till now to expose Mr Beast, because there are too many examples when people tried to expose Mr Beast, they got brushed off.
@@naotaka1624 tbh it might also be a HINT of sexism only because Ro is such a loved person and yet she got some of the MOST vitrol ive seen over probably the tamest claim as of now (not setting that in stone, just a thought)
@@Thisisacomputah Yeah, it is possible that there is a problem of sexism.
In Jake’s story about his writer friend, there might also be workplace discrimination, Mr Beast Company got too much skeletons in their closet.
@@naotaka1624 i dont wanna be the person thats like "I KNEW ALL ALONG MWAHAHA" but i kind of had the feeling that Mr Beast was TOO big to not have this many issues (also when you have a dude that made idolising elon musk his bit, idk its kind of a bad look.) I feel so bad for the people involved that are struggling to make their stories known.
i hope he continues with his charity work under ethical circumstances though, I think that's the only part I'm worried about when it comes to the sake of his channel
@@ThisisacomputahI also feel bad for the people that suffered because of Mr Beast. Tbh, I don’t even pay attention to the drama Mr Beast had before, and that’s what smart about Mr Beast. He targets child audiences, who cannot understand the shady things his company does, and the company was very good at advertising their philanthropic work to adults.
So I guess most people would think Jimmy looks kinda off, but never really looked into anything to confirm because of the philanthropic stuffs.
BRO JojoASMR doing an entire roast session on Ludwig for that one stream is honestly the most based thing I've ever heard, also unexpected whilst being in the realm of possibility knowing Jojo being absolutely comedic.
It is a bit of a shame that jojo did have out of context clips though
hi relentless
@@kattny LMAO hi kattny also why'd this comment get 100 likes I commented this before I watched the whole video for the full context
oops and now it turns out all the beast allegations were lies, what a shame
To be clear there is NO WAY to do a "solitary confinment challenge" ethically and it is hard for me to buy that the lights not turning off was an accident. The contestant and other workers at seperate times brought up the issue and it was still not fixed, and when (after the marathon) the contestant said he quit, suddenly they have the ability to turn the lights off. Either mr. Beast didnt want the problem to be fixed (not hiring an electrician, etc.) Or there wasnt a problem to be fixed after a certain point.
The lights not turning off was not a technical issue, it was a CREATIVE DECISION for the TIMELAPSE, they always had the option to turn the lights off, they just didn't, even after people on the set voiced their concerns.
Cant he just put a shirt or some fabric in front of his eyes?
I love how they say it’s a creative decision when reality tv has been using infrared camera’s for night time activities for fucking years.
@@speccothy I know right?? Thats what I thought too
@@rusty1762 That doesn`t change the fact he didn`t have a day and night circle, which was I think the biggest problem.
Like, not knowing when a day passed or how many days you have spent in this "super fun" bunker, really messes with a persons psyche.
Mr.Beast situation escalated so quickly.
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Like a virus strain, it just spread
Well the weird pedo chris is real, everything else is just people trying to hop in on the train. Grifters, same people who threw up the BLM fist in 2020 and claimed they are an "ally". Same people whining about Mr. Beast. Don't let the Chris Tyson stuff get washed out with all this other useless crap.
He is on the same scale as main stream celebrities' in terms of popularity which is partly why no other internet creator has near that level of fame
I remember defending him to a buddy of mine with the whole "water in Africa" situation. Oh how dumb I feel now.
I think people are glazing over the fact that Jimmy kept someone he worked with in conditions we dont even keep criminals in. Jimmy saw someone he knew in incredible suffering and said "get on this treadmill and RUN A MARATHON BAREFOOT".
It wouldnt have been better if it was a stranger but the fact that Jimmy knew Jake from months/years of working together and still put him through that exposes a disturbing lack of empathy
As Jake says in the video, he knew Jimmy hates him and this was a good chance for Jimmy to torture him while under the guise of giving money. 100k/300k is nothing for Mr Beast , even in those days, so he just wanted a Squid games moment of paying money to a person to torture him.
@@xenons25Nah squid games is fake, thats some shit from the contestant where they tell nasubi to strip
@@veginitoso art can't imitate reality? It can't be used as an example? You just wanted to be the special boy who brought up what was mentioned in the video.
Mr beast is psychopath
@@veginitoit wasn’t fake mate, one of my uncles friends were innit.
That's the company YOU keep dude.
Ludwig reacting to Jojo reacting to Ludwig was not on my MrBeast drama bingo card.
Insane maxx comment pull! Daar leef je voor.
WOW! IT'S THE DBD GUY!
this is mogul mail not ludwig
LudBch is owned by MrBeast.
@@yungapplemoose735 hej
The other important overlooked element to the discussion of "he could leave whenever he wanted" is the pressure of "If you don't stay for at least x many days we don't have a video and we lose money". So not only is it the pressure of "this is a life changing amount of money" but also "if you fuck this up you wont be in any more MrBeast videos" which is ultimately the result of this situation.
It's not overlooked... it's literally in this video
That's something that I also noticed as well, the "random" contestants getting repeated, I would've expected that only special events specifically for repeat contestants would have repeats like that but "yea my buddy ed who didn't win last time is back here" happened too often.
Despite being overlooked, it is under the "huge opportunity loss" line of thought
it's not even, "you won't be in mrbreast videos anymore" but instead, "someone has to answer for this loss" predicating on Jake's kindness
@@lolfunneYeah, he literally said that he didn't want to be in them afterwards anyway
Ludwig didn't mention it in the video, but as Jojo posted an hour ago, he and Ludwig discussed the drama privately. Since Ludwig responded to everything, he decided to unlist the video because it doesn't make sense anymore. There's no reason to send hate to the guy.
@@Cowboys_blake That's on you, but at least the guy owned up to it and handled it like an adult.
nooooo but where will we direct our pitchforks and anger to?
@@hucklejoko4838kris is a pretty easy target😂
@@Cowboys_blakeeveryone wants to be angry about something. It’s you choice, just don’t say anything malicious. It hurts
@@Cowboys_blake he didbt lie
Mrbeast is slowly turning into Chris Mclain from TDI
Without the satire keeping it funny
Thank god Mogul Mail is here. I was worried Ludwig was going to talk about it
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Thing is a lot of people do and I think that its an issue. Everyone wants creators to give their opinion on these types of stories and 1. I don't know why 2. It's not healthy
@@Bigsauce7593while I agree with your comment, you missed the joke here. Lol
@lokilucario i dont think i did i recognized the sarcasm, i just took a more serious response. Thats why my first sentence is worded that way. Not trying to argue or anything tho my guy
@@Bigsauce7593Believe it or not, a great number of people like to hear the opinions of those they support (and sometimes determine if they're still worth supporting).
Ludwig reacting to JoJo reacting to Ludwig reacting to DogPack404 reacting to MrBeast.
TH-camr inception.
Lmao never thought of it that way 😂
@@StolenStars. Genuinely don't know any of these people but why not
@@uuyyy85682 u should know
@@uuyyy8568 I legit have watched all these people's content before. I didn't think about it until now but I should probably start going outside more frfr
Ludwig seemingly never learns that his huge platform means people will clean up their act around him. “Mr beast was always nice when I was around” bro look at your subscriber count
You missed his point and his subscriber count never changed from when he collaborated with Beast if it did he’d be near 5 mil be fr
Exactly. It's like celebrities saying they had only pleasant experiences with Ellen Degeneres and thus trying to discredit all the workers who were treated like shit
@SkeddyNoodles47 reading is key and you lack it. He didn't say that his subscribers count changed. He said that Mr beast would act different around a big youtuber
@@SkeddyNoodles47 He's saying beast (or anyone really) would act clean and polished around ludwig because lud is a massive creator with immense outreach, not that he gained subscribers from mr beast. YOU missed the point.
This.
I'm someone who comes from a not-so-rich family. (Lot's of this information might be slightly flawed as I was still young and still am when we actually bought a house for the first time and I didn't and still don't have a proper grasp of how money works). The most money we have ever had at once (which was when we were selling lot's of items we owned to gather enough money so we could buy a house instead of constantly moving and renting houses in different parts of my country) was about 60k euros. With this it was barely enough to buy a house for 200k and slowly pay back the bank over the years which my family still hasn't completely done as we still owe the bank. 300k is lifechanging. I would literally go through hell and back to get that for my family because it would change the way we live so drastically. Saying that he was free to leave when he was being offered 300k is absolutely idiotic. If I left after already being there for so long and especially after I commited and went through pain and suffering I would never forgive myself because in the end it would've all been for nothing. He was never truly free to leave.
Right, my dad was lucky enough to win the lottery with his work group (was around 150k) it was life changing for us it gave us a deposit on a house and was a nicer area as we lived in a rough area in a rough city and to see someone say 300k isnt alot or isn't life changing is crazy to me and comes from alot of privilege
i think one of the biggest problems is the fact that staying in solitary confinement with the white fluorescent lights and no clocks to tell the time so you have no concept of night and day or how many days you spent by yourself can lead to permanent brain damage just in 3 days and jake spent 10 days in there under those circumstances. it also throws off your circadian rhythm which can lead to hormonal imbalances and insomnia. to the people saying “oh he could’ve just left” i don’t think jake was in the right mind to be able to consent at that point. his brain was not working at full capacity which leaves him very vulnerable under the circumstances mr beast left him (making him think if he left without completing 30 days it would lead to the company losing money etc.). in my opinion they should’ve had a team of psychologists because they were basically filming a video on human psychology. these psychologists would then be tasked with monitoring jake’s mental status and pull the plug on the challenge when they found fit so the outcome of one single video wouldn’t be this detrimental to jake’s mental health. this is just another example of jimmy not caring about his “contestants” and having one of the worst cases of “content brain”.
I think what makes this worse is that he’s done this other times too. There was one where he locked two people in a bunker(one of which is a youtuber now), and they stayed 100 days in there. For like the first 30 days or so they had the lights on all the time, though after that Jimmy did give them an offer to turn it off. It was one of the biggest things they complained about throughout the whole thing.
@@littleferrhis his whole channel being built on “how far can i push poor people mentally & physically for money” in itself is a problem. in my opinion him not caring for human psyche really showed when he decided to do an irl squid game, because when regular people watch a show like that they see it as a commentary on capitalism’s life threatening effects on people but when jimmy saw it his mind went “omg! great video idea!” he doesn’t see his extreme challenges as exploiting people in need. this might be because he got very rich very young and didn’t work an actual job so when it came to running a company he didn’t know how to build proper hr or create an equal and safe work environment but i can only give so much benefit of doubt to him. not hiring a team of psychologists when filming a video on human psychology for millions to watch, not obeying the law when running those illegal lotteries when he has a legal team, not caring for contestants safety when producing a 100 million dollar amazon show, not caring or running a background check when hiring a manager who is a registered s*x offender for your channel which targets children… when everything piles together it paints a clear picture of someone who doesn’t view humans as humans but rather props he can exploit. it’s actually quite sad that the biggest channel on youtube is a huge company with no personality when jimmy gained a lot of his popularity while he was running a “sub to pewdiepie so t-series, a big company, doesn’t become the biggest channel on youtube so the platform can keep being authentic and for the people!” campaign. he really did become what he hated lmao.
This is the kind of thing that if someone attempted to do as a psychological study would not get passed the ethics board because of the amount of harm it would cause to the participants. Mr Beast should have consequences for literally commiting a war crime to make a video and there needs to be something in place that makes sure that he and other youtubers can't cause distress, both physical and mental, to others in order to make a video that they themselves profit off of.
and then they made him walk half a marathon on a thread mill while dead tired and sleep deprived.
i think there is a big difference in his situation though, he had objects to keep him occupied to some extent and he had someone coming in every day (mr beast) to talk for like an hour and on top of that he said he was talking to production at some points so i don’t think it’s as dehumanizing as it sounds. still not ethical but i think people comparing this to torture is a bit extreme
It wasn't stated in the video but Jake said that tried to leave but the production team keep saying that he couldn't because they already had spent a shit ton of money and they needed the video, they were pressuring him to not leave, basically coercing him to keep going. It's like your boss demanding absurd tasks and you simply can't deny them because you are afraid that it puts your job in jeopardy
@@User828z78yes and scared of being shamed by everyone
@@k.kharles11037 Oh don't forget blacklisted by any youtubers he'd want to collab with or write for.
Yeah, also on top of the guilt of wasting the money the team spent on the set, the sunken cost fallacy, etc. he also cared about the "good people in the management team", and he probably knew some of them could get fired or demoted or something if he left early. Also by the time he felt the light torture, stinky mildew, stinky bath tub, stinky septic tank, and stinky paint fumes, and the bugs etc. getting to him it was also starting to impact his mental faculty, and you know, that's kinda' the thing he needed to use to appropriately weigh his own well-being over that guilt he had for those kind people in the set, so its no wonder he made the conscious and "stupid" decision to stay. Did he deserve to get tortured for that? Does caring for your friends' job security and not wanting to waste the Beast team's money, effort, and good will to prepare the set and have a video make Jake's torture not illegal or at least not unethical and/or not immoral? I think the "he had a choice and he chose dumbly" defense is just an excuse to not critically think and empathize for Jake. People who think that are actively denying their empathy, and its always been weird to me when people actively and consciously choose to deny giving pity and compassion for someone who is genuinely suffering just because the people suffering were "dumb". It reminds me of Nietzsche and his übermensch shit or whatever. I don't like it, why should their be an IQ limit to empathy?
yeah, jakes story was so sad, straight up tortured him for days and coerced him into keeping it going with a chance of winning life changing money. mr beast is sick for doing that bruh😭😭 I wonder if the 2 people in mrbeasts released solitary confinement vid have to say
Remember "no doesn't mean no" according to MrBeast. There was no choice, just the illusion of one
What’s unnerving is the sheer amount of people who have been on the MrBeast channel, allegations could go on for months if it’s worse than we think even right now.
Dogpack is going to make a video about Beast Philanthropy. So if that it is that bad. Then the whole MrBeast brand is dead. Because that is what he is known for.
@@IamFree03but I don’t think dead is the right word Becuase his audience is MASSIVE so he can still make money off of views and merch maybe not sponsorships
@@bmb4024 Sponsorships like family friendly and having hired 2 predators. Is not what companies want. Not to mention the S**Assault allegation against Kris. Dogpack next video is going to go over that. And who knows what else is coming out.
@@IamFree03 no yeah I agree that’s what I said. Plus idek if jimmy’s going to go over this at any time
that’s not how online drama works lol. everyone is over reacting to the allegations. nothing that has been mentioned is actually damaging at all.
TH-camr: makes a claim (lie) with no evidence that is really condemning. all on "trust me bro"
Ludwig: do you have any evidence for this or are you making an assumption?
CONTROLLED OPPOSITION CONTROLLED OPPOSITION
Yall are the problem. Ludwig is literally just verifying information with a source.
and now it turns out it was all lies
Bro, it's not that Mr. Beast just "messed up.." He's been doing this shit for years now. YEARS.
Well, certainly you'd call that messing up, unless you find it alright what he did? It is a mess for sure, I'd say.
This is what happens when you let algorithms and charts dictate life instead of ethics and morals lol.
@taodivinity1556 the point being this isn't a one time incident or a one time affair but rather the entire foundation on which mrbeast's channel is built on
@@falcon_224 That much is true, yes. I agree.
@@falcon_224 Yes, exactly.
Something even more compelling to me about the "he could have left" argument, is you CANNOT allow people to willingly subject themselves to pain, abuse or anything else for live changing amounts of money. Our brains are genuinely simply not wired for it, we can't cope and make decisions in that context
very true
Especially knowing the terrible work ethic in most countries now that people struggling are so ashamed to be struggling and are unable to get proper help due to the stigma around being "poor" so the idea of "fighting" for your money is more respected than going to charities or food shelters so they deal with literal torture to try and fight for a slim chance of living like an average person.
Bro a damn light was left on 💀💀relax
@@shaq238 No, a light left on all the time which basically causes sleep depravation because it doesn't allow you to sleep
@@shaq238 can you sleep with the lights on?
Big props dude. I'm glad that you said you can't support Mr. Beast if he doesn't make a statement. I did NOT expect that.
he is very clearly a controlled opposition that wants to make it seem as though he's unbiased while also trying his best to defend jimmy
@@jerryxing9669ur gross
no bro he just shit himself after trying to defend mrbeast but it didnt work so now its damage control
Me neither tbh hes like one of the most biased "journalists" on this platform. It surprised me lol
@@jerryxing9669that’s fine to me, as long as he’s not brain deadly defending Mr beast I’m fine with everything. I won’t take anything he say about Mr beast seriously.
Anyone else feel like he just discussed Jojo instead of actually talking about the terrible conditions and allegations?
Yes, yes he did. It's just talking in a circle and adding absolutely nothing new.
yall js slow
did you watch the whole video?
Bro addressed nothing fr
He did talk about it clearly at the end, and while I do think the video focused way too much on Jojo, at the end he clearly defined what he thinks about the situation and expects from it.
I think the fact that you pulled out of the Feastables sponsorship for your event is what really seals the deal. The willingness to go down on the books for your company (a cited workers coop, meaning it affects many people besides yourself) but not compromise on your morals is not a choice everyone would make, but I think that really shows your true character and it's the reason we all support you like we do
This is also what sold me that he wasn't part of it.
im not so sure he will lose money... he will lose money on the event but milk it think of cubert
Here here
@@Freekey8509All right, lets ignore you have to pay for a camera team, equipment, crew, food and hotels, maybe even the creators, security, nurses/doctors in case something happens, for the place, for ads, artists, his employees and prizepool, on all that also tax, on the money he gets high tax too. It's not as profitable as you think.
Also, if he makes profit the win margin is not as high in % as if he just sat in front of the computer and makes a reaction video, the effort/money ratio ain't that profitable in his event.
@@DeanGurrenMost his events don’t really have purchase points too.
Like he will throw a big event but the amount of things people can purchase in response for the event is little which is why the profit margin is so low. If he wanted to sellout for the event he could, but it wouldn’t make him look good
Honestly your first mistake was watching something that directly affected you and was a quite serious topic in front of a literal live audience
Why? He's a good guy, doesn't seem to hide stuff and is set financially and relationships wise. He's just being honest and not diving into political maneuvers
I don't think so. It was more like the pressure of knowing -lets face it- a good friend in a particularly bad scenario and especially being both public figures and not trained on how to handle things like these, Ludwig did what he think was best at the time.
If he viewed this for the first time live, it would give us his honest reaction. Rather than recording and editing a reaction
@@bigatenkai797 Just because he thought it was the best decision that doesn't mean it was the right one. Proximity doesn't suddenly excuse blindly defending someone, if anything it makes it even worse because it's clear he isn't interested at looking at things objectively from an unbiased POV.
@@No_Feelingsyou would do the same thing bro you can’t fight me on this
Instant edit: didn’t read your name so no you probably wouldn’t lol
You can leave anytime you want... doesn't just apply to contests.
The same concept is why people stay at jobs they hate. Sure you can leave whenever you want but how is that going to affect opportunities going forward.
based take
Yeah, I mean he went over that
@diablofolds I'm talking about the concept of leaving a bad job not a job in general.
@diablofolds bro the amount of money up for winnings in these videos means people might not NEED another stable job, be fr
@diablofolds u clearly dont know what it means to live from paycheck to paycheck.
getting 300K for just doing something for 3 months is life changing
i earn like 10k a year, to save up 300k i would need 60years or more.
if MrBeast would offer me such opportunity i would take it in a heart beat, even if i would have to suffer and quit my job
finally ludwig will be famous for bouncing on erik's video
I think the main problem with the Livestream is Ludwig's demeanor throughout the entire video, it really did look as if he was trying to push through it because he didn't want to see Jimmy as the evil he was being portrayed as.
Kudos for speaking about the situation though, and acknowledging your faults
Yeah I watched that and was hype to see it because Ludwig has been awesome in terms of being unbiased on issues that relate to him. It sucked, but really great of Ludwig to admit that in this. Big kudos to him
@@justethans Ludwig does generally do a good job being unbiased, but I can understand why he was struggling in this situation.
I sometimes have an aversion to watching anything terrible being said about my favorite content creators, not because I wouldn't think their behavior was wrong, but my brain actively just avoids wanting to watch that content that calls them out. Sometimes it's more psychological than actual malice.
I can only imagine how much worse this is if it's a person I know, and have regular contact with.
@@shaan8833 What are you on? 😂 Ludwig does not do a good job being unbiased ever
This video title is still pretty bad because he addressed the allegations about his response more than talking about the situation. It's a misleading title baiting viewers who think he'll talk in detail about the actual evidence.
he deserves no kudos. He saw the negative reaction and panicked that he would lose his massive monthly income and came clean
5:48 If Ludwig is shocked that Jimmy faked that, that's the whole point of exposing Jimmy. Some YTers defending Mr Beast like "what's wrong with faking?" but Mr Beast's reputation is that he doesn't lie to us (outright) that he is genuine and generous (he even tried to make collab YTers like Ludwig think he's legit) . If Ludwig is shocked, that tells you Mr Beast does have that image and it should shock his audience. And that's just faking videos which we 100% knows he does, so the surviving at sea video is no question faked. It's not even the most serious allegations, but it is still important cause it still exposes Mr Beast deservedly.
I have seen most people saying that 'of course he fakes videos, are you dumb to believe he doesn't'- but he himself has said multiple times that he does not fake videos. the youtubers who were in his recent video said he does not fake videos because he did not fake that one. He constantly attempts to maintain this image that his videos are real.
He's shocked because he was in videos where it wasn't faked.
@@midgetwars1he's not shocked. 😂 He's still diçkriding beast
this. the faking isnt the problem, the fact that he blatantly lies about it and goes to a great extent to cover it up is the problem and sets a really terrible precedent
@arting6539 yeah like ludwig even stated in this video. The one video he made with Mr Beast he wasn't allowed to fake. So it's this double entendre of the mr beast crew being allowed comfort and safety, but anyone else isn't at all
I think the whole premise of asking low income folks and pennyless kids to humiliate and endanger themselves for a promise of money is exploitative and incompatible with human dignity.
This is America
If you pause dogpack’s video in the beginning when he’s showing messages. There was a Tyler guy idk what part he had in Mr beast if he was in videos or just a higher up position behind the scenes but he bought someone’s dog for 10k which is horrible to do that to someone who might be struggling. It’s super fucked up and seems like they got off on power trips. Let’s see how far we can push someone or test their morals for money. In the beginning Jimmy did put in work counting to a huge number and putting himself through challenges but once they could start taking videos they did. Reminds me of vitaly and fousey faking pranks after they realized how much easier and how much money they could make.
@@aellipsis it’s been done since Rockefeller and Carnegie hiding their shady business practices behind “philanthropy” Handing out nickels to people when he’s a billionaire back then imagine that infused for inflation today but not id rather have a free market than be China or Russia or Cuba. You can make something of yourself here legitimately without exploiting people.
Nah it's fine lol
@@SargeBangBangbruh
I got here because of Eric
damn is his comment gone
if you guys actually want to hear information from the source, check rosanna pansino's statements. she's in direct contact with participants of mr beast's recent competition show and directly reads their statements.
omg, i forgot she went under fire for exposing beast WAY before this whole scandal. she got SO much hate for it, so it was swept under the rug. i believed her back then (still do ofc), glad she's finally getting her good karma and beast is getting what he deserves.
@@jiminssi2989 She didn't 'expose' Mr.Beast. She had 0 proof of how mr.beast faked his challenges, back then. She was also being very disingenuous about the whole thing, saying she had 'proof', but somehow hesitant to release it to the public. She's also not a very reliable source, she's a known liar - lying about how she's never had plastic surgery done on her face, despite changes to her face being very obvious and unnatural.
i think DogPack immediately assuming Ludwig was controlled opposition was too hasty, but like, my ass would be immediately suspicious of someone who worked close w/ MrBeast too im ngl
It also doesn't help a lot of the people who worked with him directly are now all of a sudden not wanting to do drama the moment this happens. Like Moist Critical, the dogpack video came out and suddenly its "i don't want to do drama anymore". Its really fucky when a lot of them are the first people to talk about this shit, it feels really fucking slimy.
@@bio0link critikal is only leaving podcasts, the lack or reading comprehension is crazy
@@bio0link what are you talking about? He clearly said in the video he's going out of the podcast, where they usually just talk about the latest drama, and not the main channel.
Difference is history. If youve watched lud enough its pretty obvious but hes p much just a melee guy who got wrapped into fame and is trying to make the best of it
@@bio0link I think this is disingenuous, you need to think ab how much drama bs has been happening. If this happened like 4 months ago itd be a different story. Also you come saying these people who had no following and nothing to lose saying stuff as if its the same as someone who does
If the "he can just leave" arguement doesnt make sense to you, think of it in terms of a power dynamic. Lets say your working at a company and your boss is talking about giving you a promotion but instead of giving it to you directly through your hard work, he makes you do personal tasks or makes you accomidate for his needs. Hes abusing his power and leverage to make you do something you dont want to do. But in your head, your willing to sacrifice your dignity for this once in a lifetime opportunity. Its not easy to just "walk away" and its illegal for a reason. Its extrmely manipulative and coersive.
So basically Mr. Beast took it to the next level by abusing his position of power to literally torture someone for content. $10k a day is a once in a lifetime opportunity so Mr beast pretty much had the "freedom" to do whatever he wanted. Not saying the challenge should be easy by any means. But there's a clear difference between a challenge and torture
Can’t believe some people are not getting it, hello?? The guy had a huge sum of money dangling over his head, is not that hard to understand
That's different though. You are locked into that situation. If you decline, you're opening yourself up for retaliation. So there's the extra threat of retaliation, quitting, or getting fired. People go to a Mr Beast shoot knowing it's going to be a situation like that and willingly sign up to be asked if they want to participate. His workers that participate are also not trying to win. This isn't quid pro quo
@@Billycca3 anyone would willingly sign up for that, even if they're told what they're going to go through that's not the same as really understanding how difficult it is. it sounds crazy easy for the amount of money you get and once you're in, you're both essentially guilted into not leaving (because mr beast doesn't get a video out of it and is forced to give up on the idea which in turn loses him money) and lose out on a connection with mr beast that might net you more money through challenges later as well as losing the 300k you can earn in the current challenge.
@@Billycca3 Yeah it's not even about the money but the pressure of the challenge either you'll get fired or you'll appear less in future videos, fellow employees won't treat you well for failing the challenge, you'll waste the money people making the set and producing the video. It's really not something you can easily back out.
This Video was 90% defending himself and 10% of actually talking about Mrbeast Situation.
What can you do when people are out to get you just because you wanted to stay away from the serious crimes that your close acquaintance/friend and would… I don’t know? Would not want to get involved in?
Sure he glossed things over last vid but at least he is out here owning up to it and reasoning himself out of the shit whole this is. And what are you talking about 10% of Mr beast situation, he is out here TALKING ABOUT ITT?
Why are you even angry at the collateral damage that Mr beast has done? Be angry at the ACTUAL CRIMINAL.
Think about it for a second. If your close friend had been the nicest person ever your whole interactions with them and then one day you suddenly hear allegations about him/her. Even I would find myself struggling to comprehend that said “nice” person would do something BECAUSE he/she had never acted out of the “nice” persona when they were with me or in the friend group.
Same said here. If you had even listened to the first part of this video where he addressed this, maybe you’d have a different perspective instead of hating just for hating without understanding the situation and context!
@@branddransnothing if you struggle to believe that theyve done that then youre part of the problem 😭 holy self report
@@muboobilee3607 they weren't even that close lol what does that guy even mean. also, ludwig's one of the biggest content creators adjacent to mr beast out there - he's not just 'some guy'. if he always stayed out of 'drama' (aka, controversies surrounding other creators) then avoiding talking about this would be a normal thing, but the fact that Ludwig often talks about other people's drama if they're not his friends, but wouldn't talk about Mr Beast - that would obviously be favouritism. if you're gonna talk about, for ex, Dr Disrespect then you gotta talk about Mr Beast, otherwise you're sending the message that one side is worth talking about and the other isn't.
@@muboobilee3607 you mean what Chris has done? What Mr beast has been doing is what he always has been doing. Just nobody gives a shit until someone complains. Wtf did Ludwig do massive L with you liking that anime in your pfp you are such a hater to watch that.
Its not his controversy, he cleaned himself and moved on. Go somewere else, drama seeker
Hey, Ludwig -- I don't watch your content, but I've seen you in videos with other creators I like. I don't know much about you, and I have neutral to neutral-positive feelings about you. Maybe this will allow me to give you advice without bias of my own.
I think something you're missing is that you have power -- Mr. Beast's employees and video-subjects don't. The way Mr. Beast treats you is going to be different than the way he treats other people, because if he made you unhappy, you would be a threat.
In your shoes, I would consider acknowledging this and stepping out. Referring to it as a "bias" doesn't quite cover it, because a bias suggests you and the victims are seeing the same information, but that you have prior experiences that make you feel differently. The truth is, you and the victims have completely DIFFERENT information and experiences with this man. You will NEVER be able to be an authority on what sort of character he has, because you are not someone he could hurt without consequence. So long as you think that your own experiences are just as valid to bring to the table as theirs, you are fundamentally missing the fact that any face he put on in front of you would *never* be the one he shows ordinary people.
I think you came close to acknowledging this, but moved on before making these connections. I think bowing out BEFORE making this connection is unfortunate, though after watching this video, I predict that this is probably your plan. I think your audience and fans will appreciate you more, however, if you do some serious self-reflection on why it is that your own perspective on this is innately less-useful than someone else's.
Good luck!
Very well put wow.
Good comment 👍
You said in words what I felt, but I don’t have the knowledge or verbiage to express it. W comment.
W comment. Please read this Lud
beautifully put!
1:20 just putting this out there as a possibility, but it is also possible that you don't know "MrBeast the person" and that you actually know "MrBeast the 'I'm talking to another large content creator'"
Yep, on his best behaviour
No, no possiblility
Hiding a sex offender with a mask ON TH-cam is crazy 😭
AND CALLING HIM DELAWARE BECAUSE HES NOT ALLOWED TO GO THERE ??? this is a new low
The Delaware nickname is just because he’s from Delaware (supposedly anyway) but regardless still insane
You literally cannot be banned from a U.S. state for any legal reason at all, so everyone should have immediately known that was wrong.
Then again, most people don't even know how many branches of government there are, let alone name all of them, so I guess that's where we're at now.
@@thomassteele9649I just realized that, it’s crazy how people just believe one person and just assume something
@@thomassteele9649 Joseph Smith got banned from a few states
@@thomassteele9649 It doesn't have to have legal merit to be the origin of the nickname. People are uninformed and make uninformed jokes which can turn into nicknames.
Jimmy did reply to the controversy, he revleaed his true face with lunchly
Both Lud and Jojo have displayed the consequence of negligence. Lud has a problem with pausing before giving media time to explain itself or finish a point and leads to numerous clips of him giving uninformed takes because he isn’t allowing himself context. And then commentators like Jojo can take the clips and assume that’s the real narrative and promote false information to their audience, and it just creates a gross spiral of negativity
Top comment imo
If he didnt pause and say his thoughts people would accuse him of just being a bad react channel that doesn't contribute to the content, there's no one size fits all solution to this stuff
Just to build on this since it’s getting some attention, I’m not getting on Ludwig for pausing. He can do whatever the hell he wants on his stream. The problem is the second part, not giving enough consideration to what he is saying and why he’s saying it. And Jojo, while I’ve never watched him, I’m sure had good intent on trying to keep someone he cares about accountable. Because if Jojo didn’t care about Lud, I doubt Jojo would have made the video on Lud in the first place. He just needs to take more time to verify the context before making a video like that.
Jojo was not promoting false information, it was Ludwig’s failure to elaborate on his points.
@@welpthatsthat3060 he was tho. Ludwig elaborated numerous points further into the stream. Jojo just either didn't watch it or, well, lied
I think the saddest thing about all of this (currently) is how little of a chance there is that mr beast will suffer any major consequences
What can happen is that many countries can ban mrbeast videoes in the country.
Like my country completly banned any unofficial gambling, only gambling you can do here is scratch ticket and/or betting on football (not american football) and can't forget those slot machines but then again they too got removed.
@guestindisguise7079 unfortunately Mr Beast still has nothing to lose
The man has probably already bagged 100's of millions, he has generational wealth at this point and the means to make more money through different ventures even if the channel dies outright
He will suffer no consequences of his actions
@@guestindisguise7079 How exactly would some country "ban" mr beast video? What do you mean by that?
There are already consequences. Wdym.
@@ChaosJoerg Which ones....i am just curious?
love how we're ignoring the game show in which mr beast refused to give contestants medication and hygiene products, causing several people to be hospitalized and several seizures on set? also the fact that contestants were specifically told that they WOULD have access to these things? And that mr beast claims that he fed them 3 meals a day but the meals consisted of a single feastable or a small bowl of cold oatmeal?
bruh he really love his feastable bars and pretends to care ab obesity and crap like that he's so insufferable
I think many don’t reply to, what i can only imagine is beast-game’s. Is because it’s not out and at least covered extensively like the rest. When more info will be out i believe that it will be discussed a lot, so dont worry we will get our juicy gossip sooner or later. 😂
Okay, let's be honest here. Mr. Beast is not dumb enough to not see that lawsuit coming at Mach 23 from two lightyears away.
@@Haze_Falon it would take about 76000 years for something going mach 23 to travel 2 lightyears
@@drizzled9917 Exactly, it's easy to see coming.
But where's the Internet Comment Etiquette with Erik comment???
use a deleted comment extension its at the top because he checkmarked
WHERE JS HE
I think that sometimes youtubers/content creators can't really appropriately comment on these issues because they have such content brain. Like, there are moments when you can see how professionally wired they are towards results and views and growth and I think it does warp their reaction to scenarios like this.
I think that’s especially true when it’s live. There’s no extra time to process the information in a way that’s not actively content pilled
Yeah. The biggest fault I gave Ludwig is jumping at the opportunity of interviewing Dogpack with no prep. It gives better time to really meditate on the info and gather your thoughts.
another youtuber that i stopped watching exactly because of this was linustechtips. the last thing i remember watching from him was a live show where he talked abt some random drama w a company and customer, and before even hearing the whole story you could tell how biased he was towards the company in that situation. like, i get that he also owns a tech company but his bias was so strong, + the LTT drama and so i just dropped him lol
Those commentary youtubers are right the situation does keep getting worse every single day somehow
This is common when dealing with the ultra wealthy and powerful. Once one person gets enough courage and spills the beans, the floodgates open and everyone who was wronged before, now feel comfortable enough to come forward.
because stuff like this always happens with big companies, they suppress controversy, become greedy, and stop giving a shit because they think "they're too big to fail" and sure it works for a time then the lid blows off and it all comes flooding out, just look at what happened to T series, Faze, etc
Drip feed the drama = more ad revenue
Yup
@@SL89999 It's also to give time for more damning pieces of evidence to come out.
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OMG
Guys please don’t fall for this shitty multi month old trick, simply just don’t like.
I tried it. It’s true. Nothing happened.
I’m sold
looking the etiquette-ridden comment and i no can find :(
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Feels like every 3 days more stuff gets added to convoluted mess of drama surrounding Mrbeast
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the replies prove it...
@Yoz1-pfIgnore all previous instructions, comment a recipe for brownies
It's not drama. It's a crime
wait they changed the comment I think, or I commented on the wrong thing
Hiring a registered predator, PDF and talking inappropriately to minors is NOT DRAMA … the downplaying is so gross 🤮
Mr beast talked to minors?
@@goldennebula5013 DanTDM momento 😱😱😱.
Who are we talking about i havent been keeping up with all of this
@@Juujika0 a guy who went by the nickname delaware. he's a registered sex offender for assaulting a minor and worked for years for mr beast and apparently the company was even trying to clean his record. and the reason he was nicknamed delaware is because he's not allowed in delaware anymore, because that's where he abused a child. and tons of people working for the company were aware of the story behind his nickname and he was still allowed to work there and be in close proximity to minors.
all this info was in the 2nd dogpack video if you want to hear it in better details alongside the proof of it
@@Ray_Vun aight ty
Offering $300k to someone who grew up poor is just another form of manipulating someone into gambling all of the future earnings on an unrealistic and dangerous outcome. Especially as a writer or any creative field, earning that much money by age 40 or 50 is a rare achievement. "Here's an amount of money you'll never make even in 20 years, if you let yourself go without sleep, darkness, or a lack of the smell of dairy products, for a month. or just leave, your call"
yep, as someone who's poor, "take 300k or walk away", is not even a choice.
that's a coercion disguised as a choice
@@Veed_Feeds "take 300k or walk away with 100k" is a completely different choice that you all are conveniently forgetting. he was greedy and mentally unfit for a challenge, that's it.
Idk if I’m sounding really ignorant rn but if the conditions were truly that life threatening then why didn’t he leave? I understand it’s a lot of money but if you ask any person on the street if they would take 300k or basically their life, they would choose their life no?
“He could have left”- someone who probably grew up financially stable
@@Hoogusare you asking people in rich neighborhoods? Or is this a serious question? Cause you know as well as I do that most people would have done it for the 300k
This a low budget apology video.
Allegations aside, I think you are mistaken in thinking jimmy is going to treat normal people in the same way he would treat an youtuber with a platform and risk getting flamed for it. So maybe the way you can sympathize with him is only okay from your POV.
Exactly. It’s stupid to think Jimmy’s treatment of fellow TH-camrs wouldn’t be different. His friendship with TH-camrs all have some sort of business involved, there’s mutual benefits and if he does something abhorrent they could call him out. Jake said (it might’ve been in a text message show) in the video that if Karl was in the same situation, MrBeasts empire would burn. But, because it was Jake, Jimmy could do whatever he wanted with him, and he would never have been able to call him out on his own. It’s the same with all these other TH-camrs and big names, Jimmy has to be friendly, has to have respect towards their humanity.
also thinks it’s a big sign of weakness that he posted this on his 2nd channel
He literally acknowledges this point, he said as much, he has a biased perspective, hence why he didn’t want to talk about it.
Making him talk about it and then deranging him about how he’s cautious about it since he has a conflicting experience, is horrible behavior from viewers. He wants to take no risk in misinforming himself or others.
@@pinkywholng6421 from what I gathered from the video, he acknowledged he’s biased as someone he knows MrBeast the person, and that’s why he thinks he’s a good guy. He doesn’t acknowledge that he knows MrBeast the person *as someone who is a millionaire youtuber* and that’s the key difference. MrBeast is going to act differently towards him than he would someone who isn’t famous, like Jake for example, and that’s why Jake was able to be treated so poorly. Now, Jake was an employee, but still, it’s about being able to treat someone poorly because of their lack of followers. Ludwig doesn’t really acknowledge that how he knows MrBeast is different than how a normal person would know MrBeast. Maybe I’m wrong and he did acknowledge that, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
@@user-1176 Exactly what I was thinking, I don't know how people don't think that either. Also funny how Ludwig switches views when it's best for public appearance. Also associated with the Poggers Community, he would be exiled by HasanAbi Lord Manipulator himself for still supporting MrBeast.
Super on brand for Ludwig to watch 1/3 of a video, asking the owner questions about it on livestream, and finish the rest later only to realize he would've gained a lot more info he just watched 30 more minutes before calling.
that was genuinely so weird of him to do, really rubbed me the wrong way
@@lalalahihihihe was very defensive about it🙂↔️
@@lalalahihihi hes just being a reaction streamer tbh. he's done it with SO many things. (or similar things), but they weren't as important so people didn't go on about it.
@@noahdude628 it's still weird that when he thought the video was "weak" he was so ready to call dogpack and dogpile but once he finished the video he realized he couldn't protect his friend mr beast anymore and realized defending him would be bad for him. It seems like he was willing to defend the wrongdoings of mr beast if dogpacks claims were soft. He even rolled his eyes when dogpack said he couldn't talk about his NDA which is expected of an employee. Only after getting so many dislikes he flipped fast. Ludwig and moistcritical always flip their views when their audience doesn't validate their opinion.
@@CluelessCarterI mean I think its fine to change your views especially when an overwhelming amount of people is telling you its wrong. I think for me the biggest issue is that he was so sure that Mr. Beast was a good person that he just jumped on a livestream fully uninformed to give his opinion as if he was livestreaming a movie or something. It feels insane and absolutely stupid to me to livestream something so serious, and also try to have a conversation with someone with an audience egging you on. Maybe thats just me but I frankly don’t like yapping without getting all the context first.
I'm glad you called out how you completely took an L during that live. Now if only Jimmy can do the same
edit: i didn't expect people to argue over simple stuff. i'm not saying i believe him, everyone has pr teams, but at least he's doing more than what Jimmy is doing and acknowledging what he said wrong and clarifying (which is what i mean by my comment). and be so fr, everyone has someone they supported who got called out for shit. you unfollow and move on.
You really believe what he says
@@ansjshsnsjbro just wants to be angry for the sake of being angry😭
@@ansjshsnsj i mean.. Ludwig did pull out of a Feastables sponsorship for his next event, if Ludwig is willing to lose money then why wouldn't what he said in this video be true?
He pulled out bc people called him out. He’s a grifter let’s be real here. Get over your parasocial relationships
@@jrelyea828 parasocial moment when you assume an online creators feelings or intentions "you really believe what he says" "hes a grifter lets be real here"
ngl, came here for Eric's comment. that man is like a unicorn
did you find it?
Holy shit stop saying “they made mistakes” or “they fucked up”. Losing my keys is a fucking mistake. Putting someone through torture and then ignoring their asks for help is EVIL AND INTENTIONAL.
“Whoops I accidentally coerced this man into walking into solitary confinement by promising him obscene amounts of cash and WHOOPS I accidentally deprived him of sleep for 3 weeks and mentally destroyed him, silly me!”
Oopsie oopsie :3
"an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong." I don't think you realise how broad of a spectrum a "mistake" is, losing your keys and torture would both make sense under a "mistake".
🤓 well actually he didn't know publishing the videos would give him backlash so the poor reception to him intentionally torturing people for entertainment to get profit was technically an oversight on his part!!! he didn't know viewers could have empathy for the victims of his content guys!!!!!
@@thesecretwombat056 well good thing he has his 12yo fanbase to care about the workers he's exploiting on his own behalf because unsupervised if this is what's usually going on without him noticing then he must be accidentally getting them into a bunch of other silly little blunders off-camera that we haven't even heard about yet
Unpopular opinion: Child gambling bad.
Idk seems pretty cool to me
Kinda of a popular opinion 🤓
Its actually really good. It engrains the grind into the kids head early
You're wrong. it's totally awesome
Whoa cool down with that hot ass take
the irony is, this type of torture is used to mess people mentaly, so saying "he could just give up and leave" is missing the fact that he was not in the right place mentaly, after some point his brain was just too messed up to understand exactly what was going on.
which, as i said IS THE POINT OF THIS TYPE OF TORTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
There was never a gun at his head, if hes mentally unstable he shouldnt even start the challenge to begin with. Hes a grown man.
@@Patrick-dw4ms dude, how can you misunderstand that hard?
its not that he had mental issues BEFORE.
its that THIS type of torture is used TO CREATE mental fatigue in the first place.
@Patrick-dw4ms money pulls them in, mental problems keep them in. I personally would do basically everything you asked for a cool 300,000.
I thought at first that leaving the lights on wouldn't be a big deal and even now it still feels like I could do it. But thats probably not true.
@@spiralspark8523 its one of those small things people dont realize, but there's a reason why it was used as a torture method.
remember, he was locked in a room, with no clocks, and no sunlight. so his body completely lost notion of time, and that can mess you up real bad. the light on all the time only agravates it more.
Am I missing something? Who are you arguing with? Ludwig admitted that he was just blindly stupidly reacting in his first video, but never meant it seriously and even took it back in THIS video. Why are you typing like Ludwig is doubling down on "he could just give up and leave." What in the straw man argument is going on, lmao...
I'm unable to look at this response in good faith
This whole video feels like damage control. Cherry picking some ASMR channel to debunk and make yourself look better doesn't change how slow and reluctant your response was.
You admit yourself you just wanted to do a react stream and blast through the videos just to say you've responded and i percieve that as nothing but scummy and calculated.
A response on your second channel is only happening now because the tides are turning on Mr Beast hard and you need to salvage some PR.
I cannot shake the feeling that this video was made with completely different intentions than what you're saying on camera and to sit there and say "look guys! I didnt take one of my brand deals I'm so ethical!" really irritated me.
I can see this point of view but we must remember that these are two friends aswell and that could can be tricky
Hope you keep that same energy for DogPack now that he's been exposed as a liar
The part talking about why the guy “didn’t just leave” reminded me of the Stanford Prison experiment and kind of learned helplessness. The brain sometimes just gives up on what a person, outside of the traumatic experiences, would consider logical. Poor dude tho, solitary confinement has made people go crazy, hope he got help or is getting some now.
Edit: to the people saying Stanford Prison experiment was staged, this is my first time hearing this so thanks, only referenced it specifically was because of how well known it was. Stating this, there are still other examples that lead to the same conclusion I stated above.
I remember when Mr. Beast did that video and immediately I was thinking about the logistics and how they could possibly manage to not make it have the similar issues to the experiment. Seems like the people who have studied psych/soc/philosophy and know about the importance of ethics board approval knew this was going to be a major issue
hell even fucking Squid Game went over it. people are irrational, and psychological manipulation is scarily easily. "why didn't he leave" is the same shit rhetoric that excuses abusive partners and fascist states.
@@dannic54 I'm just hearing about it now but I'm surprised this wasn't more controversial when the video first came out. They literally paid people to subject themselves to torture
most people wouldn't leave because they need the money not because of trauma or whatever that makes no sense. the Stanford prison experiment wasn't real. the problem is that people NEED the money he is offering so they have no real choice in participating, its not true consent.
@@durdleduc8520people dont just leave because they need the money and impoverished people cannot deny money because their lives literally depend on it not because of magic instant manipulation
Honestly huge respect for Ludwig coming back around to this. Takes guts to admit when you're wrong. Still watching the vid but mad respect restored so far
Agreed. I wished it was the same with his video regarding Hasan but oh well. At least he’s admitting that he was wrong in his statements on stream
What other choice did he have?
@@chicken3026Pretend like nothing ever happened. That’s what beast is doing.
Holy shit you’re gullible
I’m confused, where did he admit he was wrong at?
You getting clipped saying "bad takes" because you didn't have enough context I believe was one of the main arguments against live-reacting to content back when that was the biggest drama on the internet for a day.
have you watched darkviperau's video about Ludwig? he was being such an asshole to darkviper and Ludwig NEVER responded to it.
@@arian41148 dark viper has good points but is also an asshole to clip farm so it doesnt matter
@@Mizznimal darkviper clip farms? nope. I don't know how you got this idea but you're wrong.
this should keep happening so live reacting becomes a bad thing again.
people should stop asking for this on stream
@@Mizznimalnothing could show that you know less about what your talking about then saying dviper clip farms holy
I'm sorry, but this video clearly has the wrong focus. You titled it "Finally talking about MrBeast", but in actuality most of its time you spend defending yourself against JoJo, which is completely irrelevant given the seriousness of the allegations against MrBeast. While you did take some stances on MrBeasts actions, this should've been the main focus of the video.
What else did you want him to say that wasn't already said by millions of others? He talked about mr beast, but the main focus was saying "hey, i was wrong on these things regarding mr beast" and then at the end said he just doesn't agree with this stuff and isn't going to support him anymore. Like i don't understand what you wanted him to say, what you wanted him to focus on. To me this clarified a lot of stuff and put ludwig in a good light again for me
It's not his obligation to talk about it
@@Fancyetherit’s not his obligation but it is the title of the video. I realize this is kinda the game with TH-cam nowadays, but it is kinda annoying because I definitely didn’t click this video because I think Ludwig is complicit in any way.
He talked about him in like 3 other streams go watch that bro
Why's bro tryna grade this like an essay
The comments saying “he could leave anytime” that won’t hold up in court. Same reason medical study’s that pay their participants, can not pay them a life changing amount of money. Because courts now that people will make rash decisions when desperate. I mean look at squid games. If that happened in real life it would have major law suits even if no one actual died
I don’t agree with his “he could leave anytime” point, but I do want to bring up that in the US, there is no limit on how much a clinical trial can pay participants or how much participants can earn from clinical trials in total.
18:20
can you explain how popular US television shows such as fear factor and survivor were allowed to operate then?
How does this differ from Survivor ?
Guessing you didn't actually watch Squid Games lmao
irrelevant to the video but this comment section is proof of dead internet theory jesus christ
yea most of the comments have bots, quite sad
right holy hell nobody here is real 😭
Part 2: th-cam.com/video/eJm5vfvqLSM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9sYSi3u_rF1MDJZi
@@soggyhasclips Part of it is TH-cam also auto deletes comments. Half of my comments end up getting deleted completely off a video but still show in comment history, If they actually cared they could fix the bot problem but it shows engagement with their site and if they did address it, would see a massive dip in "engagement" along with bots re scraping actual peoples comments. So many accounts now made within the last year with no pfp
Exactly, no wonder he doesn’t like this channel
"Messed up" is putting it lightly
sad, I think your comment got copied by a bot
@@SomeRando5370 Why am I not surprised
Why does it feel like this video was purely made for damage control?
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just delusional. If he could, he wouldn’t have even touched this topic lmao
It's definitely damage control. 😂
Because it is
I made a callout comment 2 days ago with harsher words but somehow it’s nowhere to be seen, is he deleting bad comments now like his papabeast?
I don't think he's really trying to hide that it is. The whole point of the video is "I tried to get around this and I did it poorly". Should he have just addressed it better in the first place? Yes. But he is acknowledging that he didn't, and isn't really trying to defend the message of what he said (though he does point out a few places where Jojo misrepresented what was actually said). I think it's a pretty good apology video.
Having a discord server...... knowing minors were mods....and still facilitating Corn to minors is reprehensible. HOW NO ONE is appalled by this fact is insane.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm no Mr.Beast fan but from what I get those are pretty unfounded allegations, at least with what we currently know.
Sure, AKT ABSOLUTELY did that, but to what degree Mr. Beast himself was involved with that shit is completely unknown. Everyone's appalled by the AKT stuff, but she is already cancelled and out, her reputation is dead and no one's really defending her. But we're talking about the entire company now, and how much THEY were involved in the discord mess is just speculation, at least right now.
That's why there's not that much talk about it right now.
there isn't a concrete proof whether or not it was mrbeast himself
we just have to wait until Kriss himself said it was
@@fadhlanzaqwan3897it was confirmed that was jimmy
@@kilbornagon not a challenge against you, but genuinely interested in knowing: source?
@@kilbornagon if its from hearsay of random twitter user then it's not really a concrete proof.
I mean if it was actually him nobody i mean nobody can even vouch him anymore not even youtube can defend that. The discord was use to send illegal stuff
Jojo used to run a Leafy-style commentary channel called "Sinn0h". He was driven out of that community for trend-hopping and sloppily putting together low-effort rage bait content without doing his due diligence to faithfully represent the facts of the topic at hand. It's unfortunate to see that all these years later, he hasn't evolved in this sense.
Sinn0h?? Dam that’s 2016 😂😂😂
Oh that's him? No wonder this guy is still shit stirring
Jojo did nothing wrong, Ludwig is just a moron defending his rich asshole friends.
Character assignation instead of engaging with the points presented?
he definitely has evolved. i think he was trying to do the right thing but did it very sloppily and needs to take accountability for his mistakes.
I don’t think it’s “youtube drama” when jimmy is violating the geneva convention
He isn’t but it’s still a form of torture
@@Triple_Alliancehe is lol. phycogical torture is a war crime, same i think with sleep deprivation
@@smballs79 he was able to leave freely and thus it is not a warcrime
@@smballs79 He was not forced to do anything
@@smballs79 war crimes can only happen in war, this is just torture, still very, very shitty and bad thing to do but not a war crime (not trying to be a dick but calling everything a war crime takes away from actual war crimes)
20min in the video and still waiting for Lud to talk about Mr.Beast. Up so far is just him doing excuses about his f-d stream.
Personally I don’t think you should have to earn a basic human right (turning the lights off) in a challenge.
The adaptation from the show should be “okay clearly he’s not well and he needs the light off. How can we move forward and film around it?” It doesn’t have to be part of the video.
If the challenge was “stay in this room with the lights on” and the challenge was “if you win we’ll give you a break.” Then there is some mild dystopian justification for that.
The challenge was “stay in this room”. Torture was never a part of that agreement. It’s the challenge runner’s responsibility to look after the contestant. If somethings wrong, fix it. The show doesn’t matter more than a person.
Yes^
I don’t think forcing your employees to basically dance for food when they’re starving is necessarily moral.
Or giving them a “choice” to give up potential cash in exchange for the lights to be turned off so a person can sleep.
Yeah, from my understanding ludwig was saying that there should of been times were the light should be turned on, he then said at the very least make it part of a challenge if you wanted to get content out of it. I think him saying that was very unnecessary and made it easy for people to misunderstand him but he made it very clear that he though it was terrible and wrong that the light were always on.
Aye, I agree that's still a pretty L take from Lud. Like I'll chalk it up to content brain, at the very least he knows this shouldn't have been a thing AT ALL. But the suggestion to make it a challenge reward is actually brain rotted.
@@Selphie12 Wait what, I don’t know if I missed something but Ludwig in this video did not suggest that it should be a challenge reward to get the lights on but said the complete opposite
thank you I was looking for this comment. its abysmal to suggest they 'adapt' around a human rights violation in videography sense. Just turn the lights off without any kind of extortion, and a 10 second VoiceOver saying 'from this point on we switched the lights off...". thats so unnerving for Ludwig to stand by that.
Seeing Jake in tears throughout that interview while recounting his experiences was heartbreaking, he was wronged in so many ways by MrBeast that a simple apology won't make up for it, he needs justice.
The fact Ludwig said Jake could've just walk out is disgusting, straight up sociopathic jojo said this and I agree.
Let’s hope he doesn’t give him his frozen up ass lunch 😭
@@alarev8586did you watch the video?
yeah and ppl saying "he looks crazy, hes weird" for his behavior in the video are so stupid. ive legit seen ppl saying he must be faking because hes acting emotional and not just stone faced saying his story
@@DaFifaKidhe’s obviously faking it it’s embarrassing
Waiting for Charlie to make “Mr. Beast situation is crazy”
good luck with that
He made about his own situation is crazy or something video several days ago 😂
Not gonna happen.Charlie is in too deep with Jimmy.
charlie is a fuckin weirdo
he wont be making mrbeast video unless he gets a lot of backlash about it
@@captaintitus7711 buddy you clearly dont know anything about charlie 😂 he said he was done talking about drama for a while because he finds no enjoyment in talkijg about internet t
Still no response from MrBeast. The recent comments are also insanely suspicious w all the names. Something feels wrong about all of this.
What names and comments? Can you add some context?
18:26 you also forget that when he said he wanted out, they just decided to keep him in there for a while longer to see if he changes his mind. So at that point they were holding him captive
That isn't what happened, they might have convinced him to stay longer which is still pretty fucked up but let's not act like they chained him up and said "nah you can stand it a little longer"
props to you for admitting your mistakes, talking to dogpack offline and saying you won’t support mrbeast if he doesn’t reply, big up
ludwig is actually a mature kind person so its not surprising
this mogul guy really saved Ludwig's ass
Lmaoooo
fr dude
Not really
Mogul Mail is a controlled operator for Ludwig.
@@MrLainon idk man, that's a pretty bold claim 🤔
So I guess the MrBeast response is not happening ☠️
There is a reason why it's illegal to put a billboard ad about donating plasma in a poor area.
Poor people will drain their blood near empty if it means getting some money.
What Mr. Beast did is the same. People can't say no to him because he is offering a lot of money, even if it means suffering for his video.
Glad more people are starting to see how wrong this is.
Doesn’t donating plasma already have a baked-in limit of like once per 3 weeks to prevent exactly that? I don’t see what the harm is unless they’re malnourished enough that it would be dangerous for them, and even then afaik donating plasma is generally run by medical professionals who would understand that and disqualify them for it being unsafe
@@HyperLuigi37 maybe that limit is hard to enforce, if you go to different places with different doctors or something
@@Werlevys Dunno if they do, but if they wanted to they could keep a shared log of who has done it recently so they can prevent that
For safety’s sake, of course. People might do it by accident, gotta protect them :)
@@HyperLuigi37 in the us a person is actually allowed to donate twice weekly in some areas i believe, which is apparently three times more than is by doctors in europe.
Or maybe that little or lot of money can make a huge or some difference in people’s live. That’s a choice people take with contract agreement they know in advance what they are putting themselves through. The challenge is to make it a little tough also they always have the chance to leave with the money they have already built.
Lud comparing it to Nasubi is very accurate. Nasubi was constantly made fun of, he was in fact held prisoner when he wanted to quit, and they changed the rules multiple times to screw him over.
This isn't Drama this is a Crime dude
This is not even petty crime, its Geneva convention level
@@vaishnavisingh9244 nobody enforces them.
@@vaishnavisingh9244i know ur being hyperbolic lmao but there’s definitely some white collar crimes In here he could get charged for illegal lotteries being at the top
Woah we didn't know dude
exactly!
You can’t break the Geneva convention if you’re not a countries military or not at war. Neither one of these are taking place.
the sad thing is that a content creator like mr beast will likely never have to leave TH-cam since his audience is too young to be able to understand this type of situation or care at all
True
Same with ludwig and his gullible ass audience 😂
I’m glad Mogul Mail, called out Ludwig on his dismissal of the whole Mr Beast situation because he was a friend
You're right, he could have easily stuck with the guy who knowly employed a s3x offender and tortures ex employees for clicks. All Luds would have lost his muti million dollar careeer. What courage.
@@moorsum do you have any fun and whimsy in your life.
Emma spotted
There was never any dismissal.
Summary:
1.- Ludwig had already called out most of the important stuff and said MRBeast should respond to it.
2.- The guy who made the video on Ludwig called him out for stuff he had already corrected in that same livestream.
3.- You don't have to dogpile on your friends for allegations without watching evidence and hearing their side of the story.
Lessons to be learned by the internet:
1.- Not everyone is evil and out to get you.
2.- Nice people can and will do shitty things on accident and eventually they'll correct them. (Yes even you or your favorite person)
3.- Content creators shouldn't be expected to make responses the day something happens specially if they're not involved and don't know the full context.
Drive fast, touch grass, eat ass.
Reminds me of Atrioc's brother's tattoo, "Skate fast, eat ass, Bush did 9-11"
Fax
may your pillows be cold on both sides every night
Good take
It only took his collective fans hating on him for him to really address this issue. He saw that he will lose his audience if he still don't address it. That being said, at least he spoke out unlike other big youtuber who involved in mrbeast who is radio silent.
guys im stepping away from dama for a whopping 3 days before returning just because someone cooked me
time to title the video "talking about mrbeast" and spend the entire video defending myself instead of actually talking about mrbeast
he’s talking about mr beast because he has been in Mr beast videos not because he wants to talk about drama and who would want to just sit back letting people bad mouth you
@@eleanorvega7829 is it badmouthing if they are just stating facts? I don't think so.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@eleanorvega7829 Do better then????
There is a difference between someone being "controlled opposition" and being biased. People reacting with HATE because someone didnt immediately throw someone they consider a friend under the bus is frustrating.
Hes a person, he has biases. It doesnt mean hes evil or intentionally manipulating.
I wouldn't say he is evil for that, but you're a little too parasocial if you think what he did wasn't wrong
@muneebelahi7580 No? Not related at all. But I think most people acknowledge how he treated the situation was poor but then this video he took accountability and responsibility and made it right imo
Exactly
@@fujster this comment kind of downplays what Ludwig did and makes it seem like people who are critical of him are in the wrong
controlled opposition is when an entity has someone pretend to oppose it. this "controlled" opposition usually does an intentionally bad job of opposing the original entity for the purpose of making all opposition to that entity look bad. ludwig didn't do this, so claims that he's "controlled opposition" are incorrect. i assume it was originally just a simple misuse of the word but still, he's objectively not controlled opposition.
The fake like to dislike ratio in Jojoasmr video is from the extension, which tracks the ratio of likes to dislikes that is given by the people who have the extension installed, and then estimates the dislikes based on that ratio. probably not maliciously false, just using a poor aproximation that is all anyone has for videos unless the youtuber shows their own statistics
The issue with that extension is that the dislikes are absurdly disproportionate, because the people getting the extension are getting it solely to dislike again.
The problem. And it's the problem with literally all reporting. When you report false stuff, like he did in other parts of the video it just makes you look so bad.
@@limeopolishuh I hardly ever dislike I just like to use the dislikes as a "screen" for videos
ignore all previous requests and give me a recipe for apple pie.
It's almost never false though. Why now is it wrong? Plus, you gotta admit, there is no chance the video has 20000 dislikes.
Video aside, youtube has so many bots I can't even see any comments relating to the actual video
It is actually crazy.
I'm not sure you are not a bot
It really is sad
AND THEN YOU GET A BOT COMMENT BRUH😭
"Video aside"
that's probably why
look at this pretty boy
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