"Mr. 4 Speed" Documentary Clip - Herb McCandless' 1972 Sox & Martin Dodge Demon Pro Stock Race Hemi
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- In this clip from the "Mr. 4 Speed" documentary, Hall of Fame drag racer Herb McCandless discusses the modifications made to his 1972 Sox & Martin Dodge Demon. During the 1972 season, Herb raced for the United States Racing Team.
Having the opportunity to hear these guys is pure gold..
Guys like Herb helped make Mopar the legend to beat back in the day. Amazing story!
🏁 Unfortunately for the GM and Mopar teams, they were forced to spend 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week modifying their cars, because that's what it took to beat the barely modified, almost-stock Ford & Mercury cars! Most people don't realize it, but the media lied when they reported that the Pintos used by Bob Glidden and Dyno Don to win all those Pro Stock championships in the 70s were powered by 351C V8's. The Mopar and GM fans wouldn't have been able to handle the truth, that those Pintos were actually powered by the stock 2.3L "Lima" 4 cyl engines that originally came in them! (Just kidding)😁
Richard petty ran the MIGHTY MOPAR BIG BLOCK HEMI
A huge thank you to the people who made and posted this video. The men in this video are a dying breed. Their ingenuity and work ethic is what people lack these days. Hard work is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Loved every second of this video and truly admire these men.
I met Herb at Rockingham at Mopars at the rock one year. He was the nicest man you could ever ask for. Took the time to chat with me for several minutes giving me advice I’ll always remember that.
One of the nicest men you'll ever meet in your lifetime herb McCandless and what a pleasure and an honor it was to meet him several times and get his signatures and call him a friend 👍👍
Herb just saw this. Yes sir we need to chat, this blows me away. So far ahead of the pack. Great start with Mopar Drag racing history.
I was lucky enough to get the opportunity to watch these guys back in the day. Still have the Polaroid pics of their '68 'Cuda, the GTX, '71 'Cuda and Demon. Always a crowd favorite.
I love me Mopars and I love me Sox & Martin racing team they are and were badass!!
U got that right!😂 i cant remember all the S&M models i built as a kid. An making hemi sound effects doing it😭
Absolutely one of the Nicest Guys' ever! Spoke with him for about 20min.yrs.ago when his shop was open, A TRULY BRILLIANT GUY TOO. And always Trying To Help Other Racers. Thanks Mr.McCandless 👍👍👍
To my mind this was the golden era of Pro Stock. Hearing the stories of the ingenuity and creativity that went into these cars shows that we were witnessing geniuses at work.
Those guys were genius love those tales of years that era
Saw them in 70'. Beautiful Machines!
I Absolutely Love this stuff, and have Zero interest in Pro Stock, Funny Car, or Top Fuel Drag racing since the 90's. The magic is not there anymore and hasn't been in decades. There are no Mr. 4 Speeds, Grumpys, Big Daddies, Snakes, Aces, Jungle Jims, Jungle Pams, the Mongoose, etc. anymore.
Facts
Just like NASCAR is utter shit now. Absolute Garbage
@@shaunclifton5281 YOU SAID IT!!
...uuuuummmmmm Jungle Pam 😜
@@boldrbangr9834 Yes sirrrrr... being in Jungle Jim's shoes wouldn't have been a bad deal at all. 👌
Great video with a gentleman that was there from the beginning. Thanks Herb,Mike and Herb Jr.
This is how drag racing was meant to be!!
street cars too!!! reall street cars not trailer queens with push or tow vehicle. daily drive it!!!I did for many years.
Allowed too many mods, keeps the little guy from being competitive
What a CLASS video by a CLASS gentleman! Never realized he was right up there w/Ronnie & Buddy in ability & much-deserved notoriety!
When Mr.Mc Candless said he turned a 9.01 in 1972. He said the “track was out on Long Island” he was talking about National Speedway in Center Moriches. I was ALWAYS at that track and I think I was there that day. Those days were so much fun. It was a great time to be alive. I turned 19 in 1972. Dear Lord it was good !
What a joy to talk with Mr. McCandless at the 2022 Carlisle Chrysler Nationals. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet. He had an Imperial in the parking lot at our motel (near a sewer plant). He let loose with quite a laugh when I asked him if he liked the smell. He passed on to me some wisdom, insisting that I would be foolish to even try fixing the Autotemp on my own ‘70 Imperial.
Really cool stuff Herb and thanks for sharing this history.
"Two inches is a mile when you're working inside an engine compartment." Truth
Sox and Martin is such an iconic drag car.
That kind of work was being done by all the top teams at the time. They were amazing times to say the least.
Wow, this rivals some of the innovative garage tech of the late great Smokey Yunick!
You're comparing apples to oranges. Going straight & going oval requires different recipes. NHRA & NASCAR had their own rules that the two builders had to navigate. But You & I would sit in Auh if these two greats could sit together & share their builds secrets. That would be a privilege.
better than smokey.
LEGENDS. What a time to be alive
Great stuff! I agree with the other posts, those were the days. Today the cars don’t resemble anything stock. Just fiberglass over tubing cages, the name is tho only thing you can relate to. I miss those old-school days.
I spent a lot of summers in the 70's at dragway 42 in West Salem Ohio watching all these guys run,,,,such great memories...
Met and talk with him in the 80's in Haw River, NC when buying parts for my 73 Challenger. Really helped me out. Between him and Bullet Bob Reid are 2 of my favorite Mopar guys.
Thanks for the upload. Thanks for the memories.
Wow, three dislikes.
One Chevy guy, one Ford guy and the other that wished he never bought a Prius.
That has to be correct.
Definitely not. The Ford camp isn't concerned since Bob Glidden was the winningest until his death.
Bill Jenkins Chevy beat him tho.....
@@Colinshreds69 Yeah, but only because McCandles had the front end so high in the air he almost drug his back bumber. Lol
9.01 in 72 is freaking unbelievable time in those days
Used to love watching these guys race. Sure wish that era was still here
I agree!
This video is as well-crafted as their car. Highly entertaining and very informative. Whoever put this together should use the same style format to tell the story of other drivers and their favorite vehicles!
I was there at National Trail Raceway the weekend mentioned in the video. As I recall, each run produced a new track record, amazing ET's and MPH!!!
What a great video, sent chills down my spine thinking about that era of drag racing. Them were the days. Thanx.
A clarification on the term 'Body in White' (BIW). It is the term for the sheet metal that goes into the paint shop. BIW is a standard industry term that, I can say as a Body Engineer for Ford, we still use today.
Awesome story and information!!!!! Keep it coming!!!!
Absolutely fascinating and the Great early Pro Stoke tech. The 72 Butler cars had rack and pinion I believe. Maybe not until 73. The 3-4 great Mopar car builders in 72-73. Sox & Martin, Butler, Motown Missile and Landry/Fuller.
That man is a genius. Amazing stuff
The GOAT Pro Stock car was the 1971 Plymouth Cuda raced by Sox & Martin! The Holy Grail of all Muscle cars for sure!!
McCandless visited our local Mopar club several years back. When he discussed the car body modifications to retain the 'stock' wheelbase he was nearly giggling with glee over what they got away with.
Amazing engineering and attention to detail. Currently finishing up the build of my 70' Duster...lots to learn here...big thanks!! ✌😎
It doesn't get any better than Mr. 4 Speedy telling like it was I personally miss it, if I was young again I be doing every weekend Love to Racer.
Man this was a great video to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for sharing! I was a teenager in this time period and my Mopar life had begun!!!!!!!!!!!
Where can I see the rest of this?? Awesome job guys... I have been a Herb fan since I was a kid! Thank you for this..
Andy
Great engineering, I'll have to build models of those cars. Such great memories.
Love the explaining graphics! Awesome!
Back in the 80's and (90's } I worked for a USAF contractor and Navy ...And I did work like this Aircraft and Auto Prototype Machinist,Weldor, Later Master Metal Fabricator, I built One of a Kind of Products ..Mil or Commercial Well Done Video...!
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Love this, thank you so much for sharing this!
I met Herb at Carlisle last Saturday. Super nice man.
we used to buy almost everything from herb, we were heart broken when he disided to close up shop. just 2 years ago I finaly sold everything, new car, motors,new parts& such many of witch came from herb. my street duster was probably more race car than most race cars.and made lots of $$$ with it. I wish I had never sold the duster back in 93 to build the new suncoast car...witch never got finished due to health. the old duster still running the streets up in NY somewhere, built by me in florida. 538 gears are perfect street gears just incase you didnt know.along with 9000 rpm motors.and oh so many sets of 16x33 dirt track tires. dam those were good days.
Awesome video!!! Thank you Herb. Now I’m a witness of that famous wheelstanding!!!!
mopar legend . i love these A body pro stocks .
So great to see this stuff and hear Herb tell it like he did it ! I was a kid in the 60’s and I guess 1962 or 63 for my birthday , I talked my dad into taking me and four friends to Fremont Drag strip in Fremont near the then brush Chevrolet GM assembly plant mom hated how much I loved cars. Neighbors drag races a 56 or 57 Hemi powered Plymouth or Dodge . On guy around the corner had a blown 41 Willys gasser . Lots of street racing went on until four kids crashed into a non moving huge elm tree and got killed that helped stop local street drag racing. At Fremont drag strip during 62-69 , I 11:16 . Saw many greats and races there. I can’t claim that I saw Herb there but imagine I did. I know I saw Don Garlits, Don Prudhomme, The Hawaiian, Shirley Muldowney,, jungle Jim and jungle Pam, the Melrose Missle team. Hurst , Hemi under glass Cuda, little red wagon . Top fuel rail dragsters by all the big names. Etc
Fantastic documantary clip! Great person of drag racing history and an incredible driver. Very interesting video.
Lesson 4. "Every part on this car was acid dipped, ground on, or drilled." To go fast, said Colin Chapman, add lightness. Rifle drilling bolts is a bit dodgy, but hell, if it works, excellent!
The attention to detail on this car has never been matched.
not dodgy at all. you just need to keep up with everything and inspections as well as using good parts to start with.
that thumb looked like sox and martin. i was an eliminator as we were called at national speedway, have pics of ronny in front of his car in the pits, looked just like the thumb. he was a real showoff too.
Guess what Iv been watching the last 4 or 5 hours...
What a GREAT series. Well done👍
Lesson 3. Smokey Yunick once built a 7/8 scale Chevelle for NASCAR competition. Being 13% smaller frontal area, it ran like hell. So they started to check dimensions for "stock".
thats bullshit, it never happened
These guy's raced 1/4 mile tracks not wimpy 1/8 mile.
Every new car reviewed in a magazine gave ,1/4mile times and speeds.
There's just something about big muscle in those old cars that just felt way different throwing you back in the seat and showing you the sky.
moving the floor is "channeling" and is absolutely brilliant.altering the wheelbase while still keeping the wheelbase length was a stroke of genius and was later adopted heavily by all funny cars...everything this man touched was "perfected" and extremely and carefully thought out.a very intelligent,innovative man...the cuda's and challengers in scca were acid dipped as well.
sox and martin were gods among men and loved by anyone who loves cars,racing and innovation...the best racing teams always interpret the rules in a way to make the cars as fast as possible and still pass tech...doesnt matter the brand,they all did it and some were more successful at it
This is amazing. I was a pro stock fanatic when I was a kid.
Awesome you hear stories from the true legends
Wonderful stuff, thanks for producing this!
-Ed on the Ridge
quarter panels purpose is to hold paint. today i learned something very important. love this guy!
I’m not sure why you came up on my feed,but I’m glad it did,new old school fan in Louisiana 🤙🏻
Ok, so let's review. A BIW (Body in White) is the assembly of the stampings that make up the monocoque, although the front fenders are generally separate parts, as well as the front and rear fascia (bumper system front and rear). At Chrysler, we would paint these white for the engineering folks to figure out how to fit the guts of the vehicle; hence, BIW. If you toss around "body in white", you are truly a gar guy (or gal).
Love those tales of ingenuity
Hard to believe that nowadays we have street cars that can run those kind of times easy
Because of Innovators like Him.👍👍
Wow!!! AWESOME VIDEO HERB! This put a smile on my face
You have a knack for this!! Keep the videos coming!!
Very innovative , wheelbase alterations shall we say have going on way before this .
Grumpy showed him how its done ☺
As young guys building a bracket car and street cars we would go to his shop in Graham A LOT I'm sure we worried the hell out of him :) it was like going to the mountain of Mopar knowledge. He was nice but very Direct and you better be on your A game. I use to love his speech's on if you want to run 6:00 or 5:90 or what ever do this this and this now get outta here, NEXT. I've listen to him give dissertations over the phone to people literally all over the world you just shut up and listened and if you paid attention you learned something. Great memories Respect to you Sir MR. 4 SPEED
I was lucky to have seen those guys then an bless my dad for taking me to them all events. Got ronnies. Dyno. Grumpys. Herbs an dandy dicks autographs
Oh ya. An tony nancys. Garlits an gene snows. Tv tommys😂
My father ran Div.2 in the 70s too.Saw All Those Guys.Good Times.👍👍😉
engineering at its best. what an amazing story
Ahhh the good ol days... followed all these guys as a kid...Grumpy was a favorite as I was a Chevy guy though.
That was awesome, thanks for sharing!
if McCandless doesn't have an sae degree,some school needs to give him one
Man I miss those days
We all were Fortunate to have lived them
He's an amazing man......Great videos...
Got to love that look the Sox and martin crew had going
You know your car is dialed in when you beat Dick Landy.
This guy knows his stuff!
Such a COOL video! RESPECT
Hell yeah he's a legend in the drag racing scene and I love that Sox and Martin car. I'd almost like to see a livery of that car, I guess on a challenger body.
It’s insane to me that back then we would spend up to $500k to build a car that would break 9 second 1/4 and today you can literally take a crappie single cab with a junk yard 5.3 and change very few internals and $1500-$2500 and pump it full of boost and destroy that number. $5k-$7k can do that number today.
Great video very informative
One of the best in the early years.
Amazing stuff. Very well done.
Awesome , Thanks McCandless Antique Auto
I had a 67 Dart GT. Only a 273 4barrel. It had been tinkered with before i became its owner. One problem after another. I could have used Herb and his team to help me just get it all properly set for being a daily driver.
Incredible engineering
It's a shame that these days are gone It's amazing what these guys would do to gain a 10th I really miss they days of real drag racing the cars maybe faster today but they forgot about the fans
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Lesson 2. Cutting out the floor then welding it back in (with 4x the number of welds) not only reduced the center of gravity, it made the vehicle way stiffer. The SCCA has rules against adding welds.
This guy, & this video just proved, The only limitation is your imagination. Amazing.
I wad sent here by unity garage. I was hoping y'all would start a channel.
"We got there 7-8 in the morning and stayed till 10-11 in the evening 7 days a week." Wish I could have been on that team.
"The only thing we wanted to quarter panel for was to hold paint"
In 1977 I bought a used "Cuda for $2200 with 30K miles and a good buddy of mine bought a Duster for $1500. Those were our first cars. Glad I grew up in the 1970s when you could still get a hold of a cheap real deal muscle car.
Love the video. And saw most of these guys run back in the day. It is too bad NHRA screwed both Ford and Mopar and then abandoned the stock bodies. Pro stock went downhill after that. One thing I thought was interesting. At Maple Grove Sox and M were running their pro-mod Comet. I was watching an interview at the track with Ronnie. And he said that although he won a ton of races with his Mopar's. Far and away his car that won the most races were his Mercury Comet's. True that!
I remember speaking with grumpy Jenkins in 1969 at the Green valley raceway Near Dallas Texas. Kind of seems like yesterday...
It is super refreshing to hear from an American who understands how to go fast, rather than add cubic inches.
Very cool, really enjoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My favorite car that Mr 4-Speed raced was his 64 Mercury Comet
This was badass 😎💪🏼🏁
Here in Sweden we did 1975 low 10 sec with the Mopar car we had, but not me! I was driving stock Dodge Challenger and the times was around 15 sec, no headers or slicks! With the 440" engine and 727 auto!