@@higashirinchiah1013Reports say it’s the young trainee doctors that are protesting this, not the experienced doctors who would be the ones doing the training. The protesting young doctors say Korea has enough doctors and they just need to pay them more, not add new ones, but the reality is that Korea has a lower doctor to population ratio than in other developed nations, so they actually _do_ need new doctors. So why are these young doctors (residents themselves that will not be training these new doctors) upset that there will be 2,000 new doctors added in 2025?
The medical spokesperson only mentioned that the government plans are bad and that they are against it, but does not elaborate why. Why would they they be against expansion of medical schools in order to reduce the workload? I think they just want to keep scarcity of medical staff in order to maintain their salary and positions.
Does it need to be explain? Is so, here's how it works simplified. "government makes more med students=more residents, more residents=more training, more training=higher workload for experienced doctors, higher workload for experienced doctors=more burnout
Lets simplify this. Everyone migrates in cities. Provincial hospitals are dying. Metropolitan hospitals are understaffed. Veteran doctors increasing heavy workload. Fresh interns need training. Veteran doctors too busy. Lack of facilities, lack of skilled and experienced doctors, burnout, and underpaid.
@@Adam-mv4fwYes, it needs to be explained. They said it is young, trainee doctors who are protesting that proposal to increase the number of admissions to medical school, and not, as you stated, experienced doctors who would be the one’s training an increased number of residents who are the ones protesting. Why are trainees the ones protesting this and not the “experienced doctors” then?
Meanwhile, in Indonesia, numerous universities are opening new medical schools. Our issue lies not in the shortage of doctors but in the uneven distribution of doctors, with low salaries in many areas.
It’s because in Indonesia every general practitioners expects to get a salary of specialist doctors. “Doctors are rich” No. Specialist Doctors are rich. That’s why lots of young doctors are shocked with the reality that their general medical skill is not generated much money.
orang sumatera bagian utara , dimisuh2 pemerintah pusat karena berobat ke Penang atau singapur. Lah sarana berobat ga memadai. tiket Aceh -Jakarta aja MAHAL banget. ke penang PP 400- 500RB. ya mending ke Penang. aku inget temen2 ku area Aceh, Sumut , sumbar ke Penang karena susah cari dr spesialist di Provinsi mereka. kalaupun ada ngantri luar biasa. di Penang harga sama dengan di Jakarta, yah bye. cuman bawa paspor doang.
Aging societies is a global problem, but it’s exacerbated due to the seniority system that exists in a lot of Asian countries. Maintaining status, rank, and a sense of privilege is more important than providing adequate care.
South korea main problem is not enough doctors. HK has almost 10x less population, but double the number of doctors. Singapore has 2x less population, but almost 3x more doctors. Japan 20x more and China has 500x doctors. South korea has one of the best health care, doctors, and medical equipment but not enough
These people protesting are shooting themselves in the foot in order to make themselves feel better. Basically Korean inferiority complex in a nutshell.
Each system is different, but the burden of people in training often fall on varying professionals with little to no compensation, in general it's very easy for a system to delegate responsibility, if something goes wrong (say with student) than the system can just throw the individual professional under the bus blaming them for this and that mistake, so it's easy to imagine that you have a system that can endlessly overburden the professional that always has to just adapt to this increasing workload, only alternative for them is to quit, but if they do than for many they'd quit life because they've dedicated themself completely to the profession, they're perhaps socially dependant on the status, not to mention the economics. More doctors can hypothethically lessen the workload in the long term, but that 1. isn't very relevant if today's doctors are in a crisis 2. if a set increase in responsibility is a given 3. If budgets, number of employees, stays the same and the number of people educated will only be used as a tool to lower salaries..
Are there any SK doctors in the comments? It feels like some information is missing and odd that the protest is only due to increase in medical school intake. There must be some other contract related stuff or conditions which was omitted. Even the interview with the doctor's rep was cut short, only the generic comments were aired. It feels as if the gov is using media to portray a certain image.
More complex, or complicated, events behind the walkout. Classified, so we won't know. The video is unclear as to the cause, and appropriate resolutions. Is it really just about the low pay?? Humans is a "crazy" species. The human world was not as "crazy" in the past, but only some very "crazy" individuals here and there, now and then. Now the craziness in and of the world has increased. "Crazy" and "craziness" is being not reasonable enough, not logical enough, not assertive or decisive enough. Though we have more than enough of the necessary and useful means - to have a reasonably ordered world even with some "crazy" or "unreasonably enough" individuals in it. This unreason, illogic, unwillingness will continue feeding the progression to the future. Doctors from nearby countries can fly in to help/relieve the ill patients. This is a temporary solution. Military doctors though are medical doctors may lack specialized skills to deal with or knowledge of certain illnesses or conditions.
In the 80s/90s, the older generation wanted their children to become doctors, accountants, engineers, and nurses. Why? Because these professions offered high pay and were in high demand. Now, these jobs are considered over-stressed, crowded with patients, and offer low pay due to an oversupply of talent. My friend, a retired doctor, shared his experience with me. He worked tirelessly every day and had no time for family or himself. The only time he could truly enjoy life was after the age of 60, in his retirement with a walking stick.
It's a fact that a lot of doctors have too much work to do, especially when we're talking about South Korea who're known for their long days of work and unpaid extra hours. My own general practitioner had to reduce the number of patients from 1000 to 850 last year. It was simply too much work for him to handle.
very unclear. does increase in medical school admissions equal decrease in their pay? it looks like the reason for walking out is not exactly the event of increasing medical admissions, it appears to be a long-standing demand from medical professionals even before that.
So, the gov't in SK didn't expect the need for more doctors for the country's aging population 20 years ago? Why wait till now to propose the increase in medical students? It takes at least 8 years to educate and train a doctor after a student graduates from high school. Hong Kong also has a similar shortage.
@@supreme5998this is not the first case that the doctors protested. The Law has been stalled for So many times bec the doctors are against it Citing that opening more med schools will just produce plastic surgeons and other money making specialty such as derma. The doctors are also against a Law that gives nurses more authority to patient’s healthcare. The Law aims to reduce the work load of nurses. But the doctors are against it citing nurses are not doctors. I hope the govt will make a stand once and for all. After all their society is at risk.
Remember, in the law of supply and demand states that the more demand and less supply, the more the supply will be worth, in this case the people working inside the medical industry. Meaning they can ask for higher salaries and unjust amounts of money like in the US.
you know the whole south east asia know about this news and they laugh about how selfish and snowflake of these doctors that protesting and forget about their patient , truely sad moment to begin a newyear
I don't know how they interview doctors. Because doctors should have a kind heart and see the benefits of their patients as important. What I see now is a selfish person. They really shouldn't have been doctors at all.
@@zenithchan581 doctors aren't really seen as a noble cause for a lot of people. Especially in Asia it's just the path that makes the most safe money so that's why the stereotype of your parents forcing you to be a doctor exist 😂. It's unfortunate but that's just how it is 🤷♂️
IIRC back in 2006/2007 there's lot debate going on SK that even their usual "Catch the hype, no substance" Variety TV /Talk Shows mentioned that SK needed large new personnel on their Medical Sectors and the shows basically "encourage" their "young viewers" to consider their career path on Medical sectors. don't tell me that today "Protests" is just basically another shameless strikes to demand more money/pay while SK medical sectors is one of the most lucrative professions while doing unethical capitalism on Healthcare. it's just sad.
There’s quite a lot of STEM professionals in S.Kor or East Asia in general, the problem really lies in working conditions or relatively low wage compared to their western counterparts for how much effort and studying they have to do, it’s not difficult to find them moving to US or even Europe nowadays, they get to earn more while studying and working less. There’s a serious brain drain issue going on in Asia right now and it’s unfortunate how the media aren’t talking enough about it because muslim immigrants and wars have been taking the spotlight for years instead.
I've been teaching English to mostly Asian learners. Every time I have a South Korean student who happens to be a doctor, I'm always asked to address them as 'Dr.,' even when our lessons are not related to their profession.
idk about that but earning a low income salary in health is the worst. you are holding one's life while physical and psychological are dying slowly. I experienced that feeling and it is hard to get back your passion.
Aren’t there laws that prohibits workers working in essential services such as healthcare and public transport from doing mass protests if it affects the public’s well-being? Guess not in SK... Edit: Found the full article. Turns out SK does has this medical law and government has ordered them to return to work but they still protested. Even the Korea Medical Association seems to be supporting the interns but they haven't decide to join the protest...🤔 And reason for protesting as stated in the article: "But doctors’ groups say the government must use available resources to raise medical fees and resolve other problems first. Some doctors say raising admissions could result in unnecessary medical treatments because of a competition among doctors and could burden the public health insurance plan."
@@divx1001 To some, they thought that's their option South Korea wants to take (consider it a nuclear option to replace those involved in doctor strikes with those less likely to strike, and consequently, less work experience)
Healthcare is not an easy job especially the nasty patients that hurl verbal and physical abuses at you. Some even make racial slur at you and the hospital expect you to still forgive and serve them no matter how hurt or insulted you are.
I understand that the doctors are overworked and underpaid. But it’s just so selfish of them as healthcare professionals to leave these patients unattended (it’s a life or death situation for some of them).
Offer more pay in less desirable medical fields and rural hospitals. I dont have many information about this protest. I dont fully undestand it yet. This is extreme escalation. I am medical worker from Croatia and we cant fully go to strike ,we need to take care of critical patients and urgent patients. I hope they will find compromise in South Korea. Protection of patients in need is top priority .
How to reduce workload for doctors without expanding medical schools or training more doctors? I mean the government can’t ask people not to fall sick or age.
The government announced in advance that it would put severe pressure on doctors so that they would not be able to earn money in the future, and announced without agreement that the current number of Korean medical students is 3,000, but that the number will be increased to 5,000 from next year. Currently, residents are working 77 to 88 hours a week, and they are all doing ridiculous jobs while thinking about expected income in the future, but they are so frustrated that they quit. When I say I quit, the government is currently punishing me and talking about revoking my medical license. Currently, Korea is not a liberal democratic country.
I think most people in the comment section missed that there are many specialty within doctors, and some like pediatrician, or emergency doctor and others are always unpopular because of unjustify pay due to long working hours/lack of doctors or potential lawsuits from patients. So getting more doctors in won't really change the situation for the unpopular specialities(unless GOV force them to pick), it will probably increase the competition between the popular one.
No one would go to S Korea due their national malpractice law that criminalizes doctors when something happens. That is the reason why essential health care doctors are lacking now.
And you expect them to help you out of the kindness of their hearts? How young are you? These people have families to feed, bills to pay. And Because of the government, these doctors are forces to train more residents while receiving the same pay. You shouldn't be blaming an honest working doctor, blame the government.
@@Neo-nw7fo for their workload and cost of living, definitely. Their not living in a 3rd world country where you can get a meal for 2$.South Korea is EXPENSIVE
@@Adam-mv4fw Laughable..... don't you know that the doctors in Korea are some of the highest paid doctors among developed countries? Yeah.... they're definitely busy... because there're a shortage in the supply of new physicians which is exactly the issue the government trying to address ....lol Also FYI, I'm old enough to work in the biomedical field for more than 2 decades. I clearly know the real agenda behind their protest is to make sure the supply shortage will continue so their incomes won't be affected. The more senior doctors also push the younger doctors to protest so they won't be responsible for anything in case the situation gets out of control.
Number of Doctors being increase may have impact the career of Doctors. But this increase may have been a trigger with the potential needs of Doctors if war happens in the future. Or for other reason?
Universal Healthcare isn't the problem, its the fact that they aren't having enough new doctors coming out ontop of a higher aging population, with deflated salaries due to inflation. They need to increase Medical Schooling, education, and overall hiring & infrastructure. If we can do it here in Sweden, you can do it too. Just don't do it like the Americans haha.
I hope they can negotiate effectively. Education is extremely competitive in S. Korea. Health care is supposedly great there. Yes 👍🏽 older people will need more healthcare and support. It seems like S. Korea’s number one goal is financial but I hope they can see the balance and moderation in other important aspects of life. 🙏🏽
I think many guys are missing some sane logic here. Do you know how the trainee doctors are trained? Hand by hand. A resident doctor leads a team of trainee and can teach them in detail well if the team is few in number. And, it's not easy for trainee doctors to become resident doctors. With more people, it means less chance to be taught by seniors because everyone is full of patients and have no time to teach well. Furthermore, the competition will become more fierce which bring more stress. Burnouts and these docs will make more mistakes. Besides, these trainee docs are already underpaid. If they have more trainee docs, they will be more underpaid. At the end of the day, doctors are also humans. If you're ready to blame them for not staying up to the codes, you can now sign up in a medical university, spend money for classes, get through it and become a honourable noble doctor in myths and fairytale in your mouth. 😂
I thought Hong Kong was bad when they are complaining to lower the bar to allow outside of HK educated doctors to practice here, but SK doctors are in another level.
It's not only about the workload but where doctors are practicing. Rural areas and small cities/towns have serious shortages of doctors as most doctors prefer to work in large cities, such as Seoul. Almost half of South Korean universities and hospitals are concentrated in Seoul.
"We are protesting because we do not agree with this decision". Yes, but why?! He didn't respond to the question, he just keeps saying thet they don't agree. He seems a politician, ridiculous
maybe the sk government just tell them any doctors against the increase of medical students should be sent to nk to work there for 10 years before coming back- surely it will make them stop protesting immediately.
Wait, this makes no sense at all. They need more medical workers yet the existing medical workers are against the effort to increase the number? At the same time they also demand increase pay and reduce worktime? What's going on here? Looks like we need more explanation on the subject.
I am not understanding this logic at all. I am sure it is all about pay. In the US, we train advance practice professionals such as Physician assistants and Nurse Practitioners to deal with less complicated medical treatment and can practice under the guidance of a licensed medical doctor. However, they also can assist in surgery. This is how you offset workload.
Protesters should learn from the Japanese... When Japanese bus drivers wanted to protest for higher salary, they continued to work but refused to collect bus fares.
And in india no matter how many medical schools they open the country is still short of doctors in some certain areas of india due to the population size
That's the ongoing challenge with all universal healthcare, without capitalism, doctors suffer equally and patients all suffer equally. Under private health insurance in the US, it's more like tiered, there is always some unhappy and some very happy, patients are the same where the poorest aren't happy. The problem with universal healthcare is that there are too many unhappy people which none are like "i can't take it anymore." Under private insurance, the unhappiness and happiness are too far concentrated in fewer number but severity of each case is greater.
More students means more workload for residents (who are responsible for the students in their clinical rotations!!) means less quality or adequate attention for patients, and it's worse if the residents are not well compensated. How is that so hard to understand for y'all in the comments? Sure, increasing medical students will eventually solve the supply issue, but not by breaking the backs of the experts responsible for their education. (Which, clearly, will lead to less quality education and mental and physical strain on the residents). Like that guy said, the government should listen to experts and find a solution that does not overwhelm any side. Governments are always in a hurry to introduce policies in sectors such as healthcare or education without giving much thought about how it affects the staff on the ground responsible for those changes (usually the overworked, underpaid lot). I'm surprised people living in a world where essential service providers usually receive the short end of the stick can't clearly see what could be the problem here.
Increase school admission = increase supply of doctor. Doctor supply increase but doctor demand side way/linear/down = less pay. For those who don't understand, the concept is close to inflation except it's related to energy supply this time. Although, I still think it's ridiculous to stage a rebellion for this since korean currency is strong, they can always work in foreign country. Please leave some reply to my opinion, I want to learn new things here.
There is no shortage of doctors, in fact it has been increasing every year the past decades. The shortage we see are specific fields (obgyn pediatrics etc) where risk is high and are paid low. Many pediatricians simply had to quit and start doing laser hair removal in order to earn money, which is an absolute waste of their specialty. There is no shortage, THERE ARE THE DOCTORS WHO ARE LICENSED but they cannot do their job because it is underpaid, or they have to pay an enormous amount for legal issues. The doctors oppose because the gov is not addressing this issue properly, but use the doctors for their elections.
That country is dominated by aging people same well as Japan and China too. They need to hire more nurses and doctors from other countries, Samsung, Toyota and Evan cars can not help your health.
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Protesting against expansion of medical schools? That seems a bit bizarre
It is western media so you should trust it !
Current doctors think that having extra 2,000 might threaten their steady income and their privilege status
See, it's all about money.
@@higashirinchiah1013Reports say it’s the young trainee doctors that are protesting this, not the experienced doctors who would be the ones doing the training. The protesting young doctors say Korea has enough doctors and they just need to pay them more, not add new ones, but the reality is that Korea has a lower doctor to population ratio than in other developed nations, so they actually _do_ need new doctors. So why are these young doctors (residents themselves that will not be training these new doctors) upset that there will be 2,000 new doctors added in 2025?
They are not there for the society, but for themselves. They want to maintain their high salaries and demand.
The medical spokesperson only mentioned that the government plans are bad and that they are against it, but does not elaborate why. Why would they they be against expansion of medical schools in order to reduce the workload? I think they just want to keep scarcity of medical staff in order to maintain their salary and positions.
My thoughts exacty
Does it need to be explain? Is so, here's how it works simplified.
"government makes more med students=more residents,
more residents=more training,
more training=higher workload for experienced doctors,
higher workload for experienced doctors=more burnout
Lets simplify this. Everyone migrates in cities. Provincial hospitals are dying. Metropolitan hospitals are understaffed. Veteran doctors increasing heavy workload. Fresh interns need training. Veteran doctors too busy. Lack of facilities, lack of skilled and experienced doctors, burnout, and underpaid.
@@Adam-mv4fwYes, it needs to be explained. They said it is young, trainee doctors who are protesting that proposal to increase the number of admissions to medical school, and not, as you stated, experienced doctors who would be the one’s training an increased number of residents who are the ones protesting. Why are trainees the ones protesting this and not the “experienced doctors” then?
@@nailartguy3363they are using them. It's the cycle of greed.
Meanwhile, in Indonesia, numerous universities are opening new medical schools. Our issue lies not in the shortage of doctors but in the uneven distribution of doctors, with low salaries in many areas.
It’s because in Indonesia every general practitioners expects to get a salary of specialist doctors.
“Doctors are rich”
No. Specialist Doctors are rich. That’s why lots of young doctors are shocked with the reality that their general medical skill is not generated much money.
And how really expensive the cost to study medicine in Indonesia cause the government doesnt really pour support financially
But Indonesian doctors are not qualified outside Indonesia.
The video talk about korea. Come back when it talks about your country
orang sumatera bagian utara , dimisuh2 pemerintah pusat karena berobat ke Penang atau singapur. Lah sarana berobat ga memadai. tiket Aceh -Jakarta aja MAHAL banget. ke penang PP 400- 500RB. ya mending ke Penang. aku inget temen2 ku area Aceh, Sumut , sumbar ke Penang karena susah cari dr spesialist di Provinsi mereka. kalaupun ada ngantri luar biasa. di Penang harga sama dengan di Jakarta, yah bye. cuman bawa paspor doang.
Aging societies is a global problem, but it’s exacerbated due to the seniority system that exists in a lot of Asian countries. Maintaining status, rank, and a sense of privilege is more important than providing adequate care.
Sounds about right
That's Boomers everywhere The most prosperous Gen.
South korea main problem is not enough doctors. HK has almost 10x less population, but double the number of doctors. Singapore has 2x less population, but almost 3x more doctors. Japan 20x more and China has 500x doctors.
South korea has one of the best health care, doctors, and medical equipment but not enough
I though asians are better than we european
@@ПобедавРоссии we still are. Please don't come just for cheap living. Go fight for Savla Ukro Messiah
They want to reduce the workload but are against the increase of med student. 😅
not thinking for the long term 😂
These people protesting are shooting themselves in the foot in order to make themselves feel better. Basically Korean inferiority complex in a nutshell.
Bunch of greedy brat.
Each system is different, but the burden of people in training often fall on varying professionals with little to no compensation, in general it's very easy for a system to delegate responsibility, if something goes wrong (say with student) than the system can just throw the individual professional under the bus blaming them for this and that mistake, so it's easy to imagine that you have a system that can endlessly overburden the professional that always has to just adapt to this increasing workload, only alternative for them is to quit, but if they do than for many they'd quit life because they've dedicated themself completely to the profession, they're perhaps socially dependant on the status, not to mention the economics. More doctors can hypothethically lessen the workload in the long term, but that 1. isn't very relevant if today's doctors are in a crisis 2. if a set increase in responsibility is a given 3. If budgets, number of employees, stays the same and the number of people educated will only be used as a tool to lower salaries..
@@SimonTmte Well, do they have quota in other professions as well? For you to drive down cost so that they can be exploited as well?
Are there any SK doctors in the comments? It feels like some information is missing and odd that the protest is only due to increase in medical school intake. There must be some other contract related stuff or conditions which was omitted. Even the interview with the doctor's rep was cut short, only the generic comments were aired. It feels as if the gov is using media to portray a certain image.
Agree SCMP shows only certain view. There is more complex background
More complex, or complicated, events behind the walkout. Classified, so we won't know. The video is unclear as to the cause, and appropriate resolutions. Is it really just about the low pay??
Humans is a "crazy" species. The human world was not as "crazy" in the past, but only some very "crazy" individuals here and there, now and then. Now the craziness in and of the world has increased. "Crazy" and "craziness" is being not reasonable enough, not logical enough, not assertive or decisive enough. Though we have more than enough of the necessary and useful means - to have a reasonably ordered world even with some "crazy" or "unreasonably enough" individuals in it.
This unreason, illogic, unwillingness will continue feeding the progression to the future.
Doctors from nearby countries can fly in to help/relieve the ill patients. This is a temporary solution. Military doctors though are medical doctors may lack specialized skills to deal with or knowledge of certain illnesses or conditions.
In the 80s/90s, the older generation wanted their children to become doctors, accountants, engineers, and nurses. Why? Because these professions offered high pay and were in high demand. Now, these jobs are considered over-stressed, crowded with patients, and offer low pay due to an oversupply of talent.
My friend, a retired doctor, shared his experience with me. He worked tirelessly every day and had no time for family or himself. The only time he could truly enjoy life was after the age of 60, in his retirement with a walking stick.
So in sense more money less work. No to medical expansion. Umm...what 🤨
It's a fact that a lot of doctors have too much work to do, especially when we're talking about South Korea who're known for their long days of work and unpaid extra hours.
My own general practitioner had to reduce the number of patients from 1000 to 850 last year. It was simply too much work for him to handle.
very unclear. does increase in medical school admissions equal decrease in their pay? it looks like the reason for walking out is not exactly the event of increasing medical admissions, it appears to be a long-standing demand from medical professionals even before that.
Increase school admission = increase supply of doctor. Doctor supply increase but doctor demand side way = less pay.
everything i hear about south korea makes it sound like a nightmare dystopia.
So, the gov't in SK didn't expect the need for more doctors for the country's aging population 20 years ago? Why wait till now to propose the increase in medical students? It takes at least 8 years to educate and train a doctor after a student graduates from high school. Hong Kong also has a similar shortage.
This is anticipation for 2050. That’s why they’re making moves now. Actually this proposal has been staled for 20 years due to the doctor union
@@supreme5998this is not the first case that the doctors protested. The Law has been stalled for So many times bec the doctors are against it Citing that opening more med schools will just produce plastic surgeons and other money making specialty such as derma. The doctors are also against a Law that gives nurses more authority to patient’s healthcare. The Law aims to reduce the work load of nurses. But the doctors are against it citing nurses are not doctors. I hope the govt will make a stand once and for all. After all their society is at risk.
They've actually tried but it's always opposed. Medical unions and associations want to keep the profession as "elite"
Remember, in the law of supply and demand states that the more demand and less supply, the more the supply will be worth, in this case the people working inside the medical industry.
Meaning they can ask for higher salaries and unjust amounts of money like in the US.
Father like son, Soon South Korea will be another little America same problems different people.
Why can’t they increase their salary and increase the quota? It says a lot that the system is collapsing from interns and residents leaving the job.
The doctors are against any increase. They want to actually reduce the number of doctors. They want to do this so they can earn higher wages.
you know the whole south east asia know about this news and they laugh about how selfish and snowflake of these doctors that protesting and forget about their patient , truely sad moment to begin a newyear
I don't know how they interview doctors. Because doctors should have a kind heart and see the benefits of their patients as important. What I see now is a selfish person. They really shouldn't have been doctors at all.
@@zenithchan581 doctors aren't really seen as a noble cause for a lot of people. Especially in Asia it's just the path that makes the most safe money so that's why the stereotype of your parents forcing you to be a doctor exist 😂. It's unfortunate but that's just how it is 🤷♂️
IIRC back in 2006/2007 there's lot debate going on SK that even their usual "Catch the hype, no substance" Variety TV /Talk Shows mentioned that SK needed large new personnel on their Medical Sectors and the shows basically "encourage" their "young viewers" to consider their career path on Medical sectors.
don't tell me that today "Protests" is just basically another shameless strikes to demand more money/pay while SK medical sectors is one of the most lucrative professions while doing unethical capitalism on Healthcare.
it's just sad.
Because the today's Korean generation cares about their beauty and dramas
There’s quite a lot of STEM professionals in S.Kor or East Asia in general, the problem really lies in working conditions or relatively low wage compared to their western counterparts for how much effort and studying they have to do, it’s not difficult to find them moving to US or even Europe nowadays, they get to earn more while studying and working less. There’s a serious brain drain issue going on in Asia right now and it’s unfortunate how the media aren’t talking enough about it because muslim immigrants and wars have been taking the spotlight for years instead.
Nice. Living in their imagination
They all become cosmetic surgery doctors, or skin beauty doctors, because that bring more money (only rich people who can be the patients)
More like healthcare racist
its just because of money! then these ppl are not fit to be doctors in the first place!
Didn't those doctors resign ?
Such a shame
I've been teaching English to mostly Asian learners. Every time I have a South Korean student who happens to be a doctor, I'm always asked to address them as 'Dr.,' even when our lessons are not related to their profession.
In some places suffering patients do not come first. Think about it. The Hippocratic Oath says in the beginning "first do no harm".
Seems like the protesters is very selfish
Just let them resign.
Not your problem. Let them fix their own problem
Recently Asian boss compared healthcare policy of America vs Korea and Japan. Now this happens. Why?
Asian boss is run by korean Americans, what do u think haha
When money matter more than health.....😢
Everywhere. Human greed
idk about that but earning a low income salary in health is the worst. you are holding one's life while physical and psychological are dying slowly. I experienced that feeling and it is hard to get back your passion.
They have more cosmetic surgery's doctors and skin beauty doctors than other fields, which more important to save lives
I dont understand this protest
It's all about money
지금까지 대한민국은 가장 우수한 국민보건의료 시스템을 유지했지만, 정작 혜택받는 국민들은 그럴 만한 자격이 없는 것 같습니다…. 혜택이 계속 되면, 권리인 줄 착각하지요…ㅠㅠ 이제 곧 종료합니다… 생애 처음 보는 의료 지옥이 펼쳐집니다…ㅠㅠ
Aren’t there laws that prohibits workers working in essential services such as healthcare and public transport from doing mass protests if it affects the public’s well-being? Guess not in SK...
Edit: Found the full article. Turns out SK does has this medical law and government has ordered them to return to work but they still protested. Even the Korea Medical Association seems to be supporting the interns but they haven't decide to join the protest...🤔
And reason for protesting as stated in the article:
"But doctors’ groups say the government must use available resources to raise medical fees and resolve other problems first. Some doctors say raising admissions could result in unnecessary medical treatments because of a competition among doctors and could burden the public health insurance plan."
Cool, so will you replace them? Problem solved
You can't force them. Doctors are no different from other professions, they're not your slaves.
@@divx1001 To some, they thought that's their option South Korea wants to take (consider it a nuclear option to replace those involved in doctor strikes with those less likely to strike, and consequently, less work experience)
Healthcare is not an easy job especially the nasty patients that hurl verbal and physical abuses at you. Some even make racial slur at you and the hospital expect you to still forgive and serve them no matter how hurt or insulted you are.
Laws like those give a free pass for the government to exploit these honest worker's and jail them if they fight back
That’s hard to hire doctors overseas though because of language barrier
Hire more doctors from overseas. Doctors in S.Korea are so selfish just care their wages and level, they are not passionate on their roles !
Yeah right, the Korean government wants to pay foreigners less, why would foreign doctors come to Korea?
I understand that the doctors are overworked and underpaid. But it’s just so selfish of them as healthcare professionals to leave these patients unattended (it’s a life or death situation for some of them).
Offer more pay in less desirable medical fields and rural hospitals. I dont have many information about this protest. I dont fully undestand it yet. This is extreme escalation. I am medical worker from Croatia and we cant fully go to strike ,we need to take care of critical patients and urgent patients. I hope they will find compromise in South Korea. Protection of patients in need is top priority .
How to reduce workload for doctors without expanding medical schools or training more doctors? I mean the government can’t ask people not to fall sick or age.
The government announced in advance that it would put severe pressure on doctors so that they would not be able to earn money in the future, and announced without agreement that the current number of Korean medical students is 3,000, but that the number will be increased to 5,000 from next year.
Currently, residents are working 77 to 88 hours a week, and they are all doing ridiculous jobs while thinking about expected income in the future, but they are so frustrated that they quit. When I say I quit, the government is currently punishing me and talking about revoking my medical license. Currently, Korea is not a liberal democratic country.
I understand the doctor's reason to protest, but they are one of the few professionals who shouldn't be allowed to strike.
It's just greed.
I think most people in the comment section missed that there are many specialty within doctors, and some like pediatrician, or emergency doctor and others are always unpopular because of unjustify pay due to long working hours/lack of doctors or potential lawsuits from patients.
So getting more doctors in won't really change the situation for the unpopular specialities(unless GOV force them to pick), it will probably increase the competition between the popular one.
They do care more about plastic surgery instead of normal one.
The DPRK has universal healthcare. Let me just leave that here
Becarefull All😮
With injury like this, your elderly neighbor will treat it for free in rural indonesia
There are so many ambitious Koreans aspiring to be doctors in the US. Why not repatriate them? 😅
No one would go to S Korea due their national malpractice law that criminalizes doctors when something happens. That is the reason why essential health care doctors are lacking now.
Don't go back korea
0:26 yea i agree you can't stand it
Doctors really care about patients........' money
And you expect them to help you out of the kindness of their hearts? How young are you? These people have families to feed, bills to pay. And Because of the government, these doctors are forces to train more residents while receiving the same pay.
You shouldn't be blaming an honest working doctor, blame the government.
@@Adam-mv4fwyou think South Korean doctors aren’t getting paid enough?😂😂😂😂😂
@@Neo-nw7fo for their workload and cost of living, definitely. Their not living in a 3rd world country where you can get a meal for 2$.South Korea is EXPENSIVE
@@Adam-mv4fwThe young doctors who are protesting are trainees themselves and will not be the ones training the 2,000 extra admissions in 2025.
@@Adam-mv4fw Laughable..... don't you know that the doctors in Korea are some of the highest paid doctors among developed countries? Yeah.... they're definitely busy... because there're a shortage in the supply of new physicians which is exactly the issue the government trying to address ....lol
Also FYI, I'm old enough to work in the biomedical field for more than 2 decades. I clearly know the real agenda behind their protest is to make sure the supply shortage will continue so their incomes won't be affected. The more senior doctors also push the younger doctors to protest so they won't be responsible for anything in case the situation gets out of control.
Reached home at 10:30 - Thursday, 15th Feb
Number of Doctors being increase may have impact the career of Doctors.
But this increase may have been a trigger with the potential needs of Doctors if war happens in the future. Or for other reason?
Universal Healthcare isn't the problem, its the fact that they aren't having enough new doctors coming out ontop of a higher aging population, with deflated salaries due to inflation. They need to increase Medical Schooling, education, and overall hiring & infrastructure. If we can do it here in Sweden, you can do it too. Just don't do it like the Americans haha.
You can do that no oath has been taken.
I hope they can negotiate effectively. Education is extremely competitive in S. Korea. Health care is supposedly great there. Yes 👍🏽 older people will need more healthcare and support. It seems like S. Korea’s number one goal is financial but I hope they can see the balance and moderation in other important aspects of life. 🙏🏽
Mass strike should be illegal
... can't STAND it..😆
I knew there was someone brave enough to write this
Remember how my Superpowah Jai Hind India begged China for oxygen concentrators?
Kinda, but please kindly remind us.
I think many guys are missing some sane logic here. Do you know how the trainee doctors are trained?
Hand by hand. A resident doctor leads a team of trainee and can teach them in detail well if the team is few in number. And, it's not easy for trainee doctors to become resident doctors. With more people, it means less chance to be taught by seniors because everyone is full of patients and have no time to teach well. Furthermore, the competition will become more fierce which bring more stress.
Burnouts and these docs will make more mistakes. Besides, these trainee docs are already underpaid. If they have more trainee docs, they will be more underpaid.
At the end of the day, doctors are also humans.
If you're ready to blame them for not staying up to the codes, you can now sign up in a medical university, spend money for classes, get through it and become a honourable noble doctor in myths and fairytale in your mouth.
😂
The doctors will start to behave when one of them gets jailed and license terminated permanently.
Capitalism does a great job at taking care of its people.
It does yeah, if it's free market that is.
@@baph0met you know the "free market" is just a myth.
Exactly what "ism" is great at taking care of its people? I think the argument is, which "ism" is less terrible
Liberals hate capitalism but love to live in places where capitalism thrives.
@@everythingisfine9988sarcasm
I thought Hong Kong was bad when they are complaining to lower the bar to allow outside of HK educated doctors to practice here, but SK doctors are in another level.
I don't mean to sound ignorant, but why is the increased medical school admition a problem? 😮 Can someone chime in with more explanation?
Why? Isn't having more doctors part of decreasing the workload? More pay won't help if yhe workload is the issue. More workers will.
it seems its not about workload but wanting more money. greed
It's not only about the workload but where doctors are practicing.
Rural areas and small cities/towns have serious shortages of doctors as most doctors prefer to work in large cities, such as Seoul. Almost half of South Korean universities and hospitals are concentrated in Seoul.
"We are protesting because we do not agree with this decision". Yes, but why?! He didn't respond to the question, he just keeps saying thet they don't agree. He seems a politician, ridiculous
maybe the sk government just tell them any doctors against the increase of medical students should be sent to nk to work there for 10 years before coming back- surely it will make them stop protesting immediately.
😢 ...they've lost the reason for why hospitals exist....
Just say it, It’s all about the money!!
Those who against it just revoke their medical license.
Wait, this makes no sense at all. They need more medical workers yet the existing medical workers are against the effort to increase the number? At the same time they also demand increase pay and reduce worktime? What's going on here? Looks like we need more explanation on the subject.
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I thought South Korea’s healthcare is one of the best in the world, mocking the US for theirs?!?
What will South Korea look like when the entire Police force goes on strike the next time???
I am not understanding this logic at all. I am sure it is all about pay. In the US, we train advance practice professionals such as Physician assistants and Nurse Practitioners to deal with less complicated medical treatment and can practice under the guidance of a licensed medical doctor. However, they also can assist in surgery. This is how you offset workload.
Palestinians health care workers are the bravest and they stand united!❤
weve never really had doctors protest where we live. this is interesting.
Increase pay and increase enrollment.
> puts leg on a train track
> "Why won't doctors treat my broken leg"
Brainrotting rn
Isn't it obvious? Yes.
Source outside the country. Come to Ipoh. Perak. West Malaysia. Treatment cheap
Ahh... South korea. Following Uncle sam's steps like a boss.
Why don’t you go to the Philippines for treatment?
Protesters should learn from the Japanese...
When Japanese bus drivers wanted to protest for higher salary, they continued to work but refused to collect bus fares.
Capitalism & materialism at its finest ❤ love SK so slaying 💅🏻🧚🏻♂️ purrrrr
But you have free healthcare. Use it
Is health care free in SK?
And in india no matter how many medical schools they open the country is still short of doctors in some certain areas of india due to the population size
That's the ongoing challenge with all universal healthcare, without capitalism, doctors suffer equally and patients all suffer equally.
Under private health insurance in the US, it's more like tiered, there is always some unhappy and some very happy, patients are the same where the poorest aren't happy.
The problem with universal healthcare is that there are too many unhappy people which none are like "i can't take it anymore." Under private insurance, the unhappiness and happiness are too far concentrated in fewer number but severity of each case is greater.
More students means more workload for residents (who are responsible for the students in their clinical rotations!!) means less quality or adequate attention for patients, and it's worse if the residents are not well compensated. How is that so hard to understand for y'all in the comments? Sure, increasing medical students will eventually solve the supply issue, but not by breaking the backs of the experts responsible for their education. (Which, clearly, will lead to less quality education and mental and physical strain on the residents). Like that guy said, the government should listen to experts and find a solution that does not overwhelm any side. Governments are always in a hurry to introduce policies in sectors such as healthcare or education without giving much thought about how it affects the staff on the ground responsible for those changes (usually the overworked, underpaid lot). I'm surprised people living in a world where essential service providers usually receive the short end of the stick can't clearly see what could be the problem here.
Lucky we only go private hospital won’t go public one
Increase school admission = increase supply of doctor. Doctor supply increase but doctor demand side way/linear/down = less pay. For those who don't understand, the concept is close to inflation except it's related to energy supply this time. Although, I still think it's ridiculous to stage a rebellion for this since korean currency is strong, they can always work in foreign country. Please leave some reply to my opinion, I want to learn new things here.
Don't laugh, my HK is short of medical staff too.
😂😂
Do they hire Indians?
@@ToiChutGongWuYour paranoia Pat Huang 😱
@@ToiChutGongWu
Yes, my Hong Kong
What does big brother USA have to say about this?
They need to move the military doctors now.
There is no shortage of doctors, in fact it has been increasing every year the past decades.
The shortage we see are specific fields (obgyn pediatrics etc) where risk is high and are paid low.
Many pediatricians simply had to quit and start doing laser hair removal in order to earn money, which is an absolute waste of their specialty.
There is no shortage, THERE ARE THE DOCTORS WHO ARE LICENSED but they cannot do their job because it is underpaid, or they have to pay an enormous amount for legal issues.
The doctors oppose because the gov is not addressing this issue properly, but use the doctors for their elections.
Meanwhile Philippines flooding with medical field people; to the point they need to go look for job overseas.
That country is dominated by aging people same well as Japan and China too. They need to hire more nurses and doctors from other countries, Samsung, Toyota and Evan cars can not help your health.
Just South Korea favourite pastime, pointing the finger.
I see, that explains why there are few Manhwa about doctors
More of a product you produce will bring down its value.
why be doctors when you can be a kpop star or actor?
I wish doctor means social service....
.... HERE COMES TRUCK KUN
They need doctor slump
♥ Excellent story ♥♥♥ Thank you for covering this important South Korean patients event. The Theatre of Dreams is where he continues to shine.
You can hire those doctors from India😂
Why India ? Are you from India ?
Just bring in doctors from other countries
With the young people who have brain that think there are more than 2 genders. I doubt there will be decent amount of doctors in that generation 😂
How about india?@@user-yo6ru9gf2f
Why would they go to South Korea? Nothing special there, just materialism, capitalism and xenophobia...
I think it’s not easy since they’re not English speaking country
All new doctors go into plastic surgery instead?