Great video. Very informative with good detail. Grounding through the slab...yep learned something new. Do you happen to know of a quality contractor that operates in Granville county? Will be looking to have a block crawlspace underway in the coming weeks. Thanks for sharing.
Really glad to find this thread....I'm building a 4200 square foot timber frame barn/shop/garage down east in NC, and concrete is only a little less mysterious to me than electricity. Your event barn monolithic slab layout is very similar to mine; continous perimeter turndown, supporting 36 anchored timber posts w large integral interior post footings. Have a question about control joints....spacing issues....do you AVOID the interior posts?....I have significant footings under 16 of them. I've have seen ACI commentary about trying to line up control joints with lines of "columns" in the structure with control joints. Since I have 2'x2'x12" interior reinforced footings, it seems unlikely I will "encourage" the inevitable cracks to occur along that sort of line. It is anything but the thinnest part of 4" slab. Ditto exterior posts, since turn down is 18 inches on the sides and 24 inches on the ends, all rebar reinforced. Additionally, wire mesh is used throughout slab. Doesn't that interfere with function of control joints? Sorry about the Newb level of questions, but I'm only building this heirloom once....I'd like it to have the best chances of it achieving the 150 year age of the family farmhouse it will sit next to. Pouring 100 yards in my barn....a lot of "essential to have" techniques on your build are pricelessly valuable to me. Your production and audience targeting were extremely good, watchable and useful.
Great channel and really informative information. Is it at all possible to show/list measurements etc in metric? It would be really helpful for people that only use metric these days. 😊
I would of thought for a slab of this size that the steel mesh would need to be of a bigger gauge and spacers used to create the required space between the membrane and the top of the concrete slab. .
hugh jasole good question. Rebar is always better than mesh, but mesh is used on most residential slabs. Even then, no reinforcement is REQUIRED on residential slabs. But depending on your equipment/vehicles weight in your shop, you’d probably not regret the additional cost of rebar.
@@HeirloomBuilders Okay...thank you....most of the tools will weigh between 200-500 pounds...rebar it is then. I was hoping to save a buck but rather it be done right.
Are there any regulations about building a garage slab over an existing sewer line running through the property. For instance adding a garage slab spanning the width of a back yard with the sewer line running out the back of an existing home out under the slab and garage.
Logan: followed your series with interest throughout. Off topic, but wonder if you can comment on detail items in the Alamance wedding barn, particularly the cupola, and the many accessories need to "finish" a good TF barn "look". I've just finished my 60 x 70 slab, and frame is on it's way down here in New Bern. I'm looking for creative ways to provide passive ventilation and cooling....and I'm always looking for closer sources of barn-shop-garage ideas compatible with timber frame designs. There are a lot of finishing touches I can't just DIY. Direct question of the day: does the barn have a hot or cold roof design? Why and how? Might be a good topic if it's not already covered, along with environmental control topics in general for "open door" barn venues....whether for weddings, or shop/garage/barn spaces. Thanks, Bill Holton
Good to hear from you, Bill. Glad to hear your project is moving along. We put together a short video about the cupolas and their passive cooling and ventilation capacity. I designed the barn to have casement windows to catch the breezes and force air through the building in the summer months. That will probably go just as far as the cupolas in the effect they have on passive cooling. The barn also has two 5 ton hvac units to provide “spot” heat and cooling To the main enclosed building, and mini splits to condition the air in the bathrooms and catering room.
@@HeirloomBuilders My bad...found the cupola video after I emailed. Does the barn have a hot or cold roof? Thanks for the details; still searching for information on actually engineering of cupola placement/size, window or louvre size and control. The "rules of thumb" available online in many places are nice, but I see no real overall analysis of building size, volume, CFM or thermal analysis sort of guidelines. If I'm going to put holes in my $60k roof envelope, I don't want to just go with what looks proportionally pleasant, etc. I do favor the cupolas for style over more modern vent solutions. Also favor transom/chancery windows over louvres (for the ambient light). Thinking about a discreetly solar powered fan system near ridgeline. I will hav a mini-split for my 500 sf shop corner area "as required", but the rest of the building will be as low powered/passive as possible. It is mostly intended for vehicle work/storage down, wood storage in the lofts. Would you guys be interested in a raising (traditional timber frame joinery) supervised by frame maker in February time frame? There is potentially more than just the raising in the offing.
Spacers are great with #4 rebar, since the rebar can hold the weight of a person and the spacing allows room for foot traffic. but the re-mesh bends too much and makes it dangerous to walk on. It’s much easier to just pull the mesh up to where you want it as you place the concrete
J D great question. We mostly tie our UFER into the footings, which don’t have a vapor barrier. This monolithic slab contacts the ground on the bottom and exterior side (since the vapor barrier only extends to the interior vertical side of the turn down footing.) in other words, there is still ground contact and re-mesh is continuous and tied into footing. That would be a great question for an electrical engineer
@@HeirloomBuilders Concrete is not a conductor, and rebar is not an acceptable ground. You need a ground rod or ground plate deep in the dirt to meet electrical code.
@@atodaso1668 you’re right that concrete is not a conductor, but wrong that rebar is not an acceptable conductor. Check the code book, it’s called a “ufer” and required in a lot of places. We tie that wire to a ground rod like you mention
@@HeirloomBuilders Its not code here in Canada. I don't see what a piece of #6 copper twisted loosely around a piece of floating steel suspended in the slab is going to add to the ground system. The only thing that comes close is I had to bond rebar with compression crimps. But that was for a steel structure in a highly explosive part of a coal export yard.
Really glad to find this thread....I'm building a 4200 square foot timber frame barn/shop/garage down east in NC, and concrete is only a little less mysterious to me than electricity. Your event barn monolithic slab layout is very similar to mine; continous perimeter turndown, supporting 36 anchored timber posts w large integral interior post footings. Have a question about control joints....spacing issues....do you AVOID the interior posts?....I have significant footings under 16 of them. I've have seen ACI commentary about trying to line up control joints with lines of "columns" in the structure with control joints. Since I have 2'x2'x12" interior reinforced footings, it seems unlikely I will "encourage" the inevitable cracks to occur along that sort of line. It is anything but the thinnest part of 4" slab. Ditto exterior posts, since turn down is 18 inches on the sides and 24 inches on the ends, all rebar reinforced. Additionally, wire mesh is used throughout slab. Doesn't that interfere with function of control joints? Sorry about the Newb level of questions, but I'm only building this heirloom once....I'd like it to have the best chances of it achieving the 150 year age of the family farmhouse it will sit next to. Pouring 100 yards in my barn....a lot of "essential to have" techniques on your build are pricelessly valuable to me. Your production and audience targeting were extremely good, watchable and useful.
Those are all good questions! We made a grid of control joints with the interior thickened footers in the middle of those grids, for the same reason you mention. Concrete will always find the thinnest or weakest place to form a crack, and those integral footers are not the place! The reinforcement mesh will not interfere with the cracking or stop carjacking in any way. It only serves to hold the concrete together (and keep it in the same plane). Thanks for the feedback as well. I’m glad you found the video helpful!
Great video. Very informative with good detail. Grounding through the slab...yep learned something new. Do you happen to know of a quality contractor that operates in Granville county? Will be looking to have a block crawlspace underway in the coming weeks. Thanks for sharing.
Glad the video was helpful! What type of contractor are you looking for? Block mason or general contractor?
@@HeirloomBuildersLooking for a reliable block Mason.
Shot me an email and I’ll send you a lead. Logan@heirloombuilders.com
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Excellent video
Thanks for sharing this information.
@@SunSun-hk8eg glad you like it
Using a vibration tool is definitely a good idea to avoid getting any air pockets/holes along concrete edges etc.
Vibration tool?
Really glad to find this thread....I'm building a 4200 square foot timber frame barn/shop/garage down east in NC, and concrete is only a little less mysterious to me than electricity. Your event barn monolithic slab layout is very similar to mine; continous perimeter turndown, supporting 36 anchored timber posts w large integral interior post footings.
Have a question about control joints....spacing issues....do you AVOID the interior posts?....I have significant footings under 16 of them. I've have seen ACI commentary about trying to line up control joints with lines of "columns" in the structure with control joints. Since I have 2'x2'x12" interior reinforced footings, it seems unlikely I will "encourage" the inevitable cracks to occur along that sort of line. It is anything but the thinnest part of 4" slab. Ditto exterior posts, since turn down is 18 inches on the sides and 24 inches on the ends, all rebar reinforced. Additionally, wire mesh is used throughout slab. Doesn't that interfere with function of control joints?
Sorry about the Newb level of questions, but I'm only building this heirloom once....I'd like it to have the best chances of it achieving the 150 year age of the family farmhouse it will sit next to. Pouring 100 yards in my barn....a lot of "essential to have" techniques on your build are pricelessly valuable to me. Your production and audience targeting were extremely good, watchable and useful.
thanks for good & concise detail of your slab process.
Great channel and really informative information. Is it at all possible to show/list measurements etc in metric? It would be really helpful for people that only use metric these days. 😊
Slump 4. Quite a familiar monolithic slab indeed. Awesome video thanks for sharing.
You bet. Thanks for watching!
Thank you. This helped a lot.
Great information
Very informative!
Milton Brown glad you liked it. Make sure to subscribe for more informational videos. Welcome aboard!
Ty for video
I would of thought for a slab of this size that the steel mesh would need to be of a bigger gauge and spacers used to create the required space between the membrane and the top of the concrete slab.
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No steel mesh is required on this project. We’ve been using fiber reinforcement on smaller projects instead of the welded wire mesh
U know your business well. I have met a fair amount who don't put the effort and care.
Alex modern its a lot more fun to care, and take pride in the work we do.
So rebar is not necessary if you're using mesh? I am almost ready to pour a wood working shop slab 30x42 ...would you use rebar or mesh in that?
hugh jasole good question. Rebar is always better than mesh, but mesh is used on most residential slabs. Even then, no reinforcement is REQUIRED on residential slabs. But depending on your equipment/vehicles weight in your shop, you’d probably not regret the additional cost of rebar.
@@HeirloomBuilders Okay...thank you....most of the tools will weigh between 200-500 pounds...rebar it is then. I was hoping to save a buck but rather it be done right.
@@hughjasole9336 i hear that! I felt the same when I built my house.
why did you not put the vapor Barrier also under the footers?
Are there any regulations about building a garage slab over an existing sewer line running through the property. For instance adding a garage slab spanning the width of a back yard with the sewer line running out the back of an existing home out under the slab and garage.
Logan: followed your series with interest throughout. Off topic, but wonder if you can comment on detail items in the Alamance wedding barn, particularly the cupola, and the many accessories need to "finish" a good TF barn "look". I've just finished my 60 x 70 slab, and frame is on it's way down here in New Bern. I'm looking for creative ways to provide passive ventilation and cooling....and I'm always looking for closer sources of barn-shop-garage ideas compatible with timber frame designs. There are a lot of finishing touches I can't just DIY.
Direct question of the day: does the barn have a hot or cold roof design? Why and how? Might be a good topic if it's not already covered, along with environmental control topics in general for "open door" barn venues....whether for weddings, or shop/garage/barn spaces.
Thanks, Bill Holton
Good to hear from you, Bill. Glad to hear your project is moving along. We put together a short video about the cupolas and their passive cooling and ventilation capacity. I designed the barn to have casement windows to catch the breezes and force air through the building in the summer months. That will probably go just as far as the cupolas in the effect they have on passive cooling. The barn also has two 5 ton hvac units to provide “spot” heat and cooling To the main enclosed building, and mini splits to condition the air in the bathrooms and catering room.
@@HeirloomBuilders My bad...found the cupola video after I emailed. Does the barn have a hot or cold roof?
Thanks for the details; still searching for information on actually engineering of cupola placement/size, window or louvre size and control. The "rules of thumb" available online in many places are nice, but I see no real overall analysis of building size, volume, CFM or thermal analysis sort of guidelines. If I'm going to put holes in my $60k roof envelope, I don't want to just go with what looks proportionally pleasant, etc. I do favor the cupolas for style over more modern vent solutions. Also favor transom/chancery windows over louvres (for the ambient light). Thinking about a discreetly solar powered fan system near ridgeline. I will hav a mini-split for my 500 sf shop corner area "as required", but the rest of the building will be as low powered/passive as possible. It is mostly intended for vehicle work/storage down, wood storage in the lofts.
Would you guys be interested in a raising (traditional timber frame joinery) supervised by frame maker in February time frame? There is potentially more than just the raising in the offing.
Is there no need to place spacers under rebar mesh,to keep mesh an inch below vapor sheet, also horizontal in the concrete.
Spacers are great with #4 rebar, since the rebar can hold the weight of a person and the spacing allows room for foot traffic. but the re-mesh bends too much and makes it dangerous to walk on. It’s much easier to just pull the mesh up to where you want it as you place the concrete
@@HeirloomBuilders Thanks, Great job 👍🏻
Vapor barrier is insulating the slab from ground, so how does UFER wire work?
J D great question. We mostly tie our UFER into the footings, which don’t have a vapor barrier. This monolithic slab contacts the ground on the bottom and exterior side (since the vapor barrier only extends to the interior vertical side of the turn down footing.) in other words, there is still ground contact and re-mesh is continuous and tied into footing. That would be a great question for an electrical engineer
@@HeirloomBuilders Concrete is not a conductor, and rebar is not an acceptable ground. You need a ground rod or ground plate deep in the dirt to meet electrical code.
@@atodaso1668 you’re right that concrete is not a conductor, but wrong that rebar is not an acceptable conductor. Check the code book, it’s called a “ufer” and required in a lot of places. We tie that wire to a ground rod like you mention
@@HeirloomBuilders Its not code here in Canada. I don't see what a piece of #6 copper twisted loosely around a piece of floating steel suspended in the slab is going to add to the ground system. The only thing that comes close is I had to bond rebar with compression crimps. But that was for a steel structure in a highly explosive part of a coal export yard.
Grounded to the steel in a floating slab? That is not an electrical ground. You need a ground rod or a ground plate for electrical grounding.
Didn't even use rebar chairs. Pull up technique is so dodgey
Johnson Rocson those wire chairs are hard to see.
Really glad to find this thread....I'm building a 4200 square foot timber frame barn/shop/garage down east in NC, and concrete is only a little less mysterious to me than electricity. Your event barn monolithic slab layout is very similar to mine; continous perimeter turndown, supporting 36 anchored timber posts w large integral interior post footings.
Have a question about control joints....spacing issues....do you AVOID the interior posts?....I have significant footings under 16 of them. I've have seen ACI commentary about trying to line up control joints with lines of "columns" in the structure with control joints. Since I have 2'x2'x12" interior reinforced footings, it seems unlikely I will "encourage" the inevitable cracks to occur along that sort of line. It is anything but the thinnest part of 4" slab. Ditto exterior posts, since turn down is 18 inches on the sides and 24 inches on the ends, all rebar reinforced. Additionally, wire mesh is used throughout slab. Doesn't that interfere with function of control joints?
Sorry about the Newb level of questions, but I'm only building this heirloom once....I'd like it to have the best chances of it achieving the 150 year age of the family farmhouse it will sit next to. Pouring 100 yards in my barn....a lot of "essential to have" techniques on your build are pricelessly valuable to me. Your production and audience targeting were extremely good, watchable and useful.
Those are all good questions! We made a grid of control joints with the interior thickened footers in the middle of those grids, for the same reason you mention. Concrete will always find the thinnest or weakest place to form a crack, and those integral footers are not the place!
The reinforcement mesh will not interfere with the cracking or stop carjacking in any way. It only serves to hold the concrete together (and keep it in the same plane).
Thanks for the feedback as well. I’m glad you found the video helpful!