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If you actually count the time that passed during the 8 seasons of the show, Arya is believed to be 18 years old in Season 8 while Gendry is believed to be around 23 (though his age isn't confirmed onscreen) in the story. In real life, actors Maisie Williams and Joe Dempsie are 22 and 31 respectively here. Yeah she is petite, but don't be fooled by appearances, its just perception at the end of the day.
🎉🎉 Love the coupling, and Stevie Wonder could see Sansa&Theon or Arya & Danjre and Jamie & Breine coupling. A real shock is tourman and Terian. 😅 hooking up. Please. . Oh yes, have your tv on the brightest setting.
@blissinchains I'm waiting for SNOW Wish there was a dragon and a short sassy Queen in it. Season 8 writers should be banned 😤 but GAME OF THRONES gave me hrs of enjoyment and viewing party nights.
16:47 Spartan is way ahead of the game in understanding Dany here. “It’s a love that she wants but she’s not getting in these lands. It’s a love that has to be earned through time and experience and bonds. Not just “I’m the Queen”. 💯
How about "I'm the only Queen in this (or any other kingdom) who turned up with an army (or two) to save your sorry ungrateful arses (again) when I could have been taking King's Landing and the Iron Throne"?
@@doommonger7784no, it’s not lost. she pledge to fight for them even before jon chose to bend the knee to her, and everyone would be dead if it weren’t for her, her dragons and her army.
The knighting of Brienne is one of the best scenes of the whole series. Watch it again. There is so much being said without words, the facial expressions, eye contact, head nods, the background music, Brienne's final smile, etc. When Jaime is saying the words to knight her, you realize that she has already done all of that, she has always been a knight.
The Jenny of Oldstones song from the book was a remarkable choice for this scene. Master Aemon's brother, King Aegon V, had Duncan and Jaehaerys. Duncan was heir to the iron throne and gave up this title because he fell in love with a commoner, Jenny of Oldstones. His brother, Jaehaerys, took up the title of heir and later became king. Jaehaerys then had Aerys II, the mad king, who was his heir and later became king. Essentially, Duncan's love for Jenny is what started this story, and the song leads up to the last two remaining Targaryens, Aegon and Daenerys.
And to top it off Brienne is theorised amongst us book readers as a descendent of Duncan the Tall (which GRRM confirmed I believe). A secret which hasn't been revealed yet in the books, as the Tales are incomplete. The name of the episode is about Brienne becoming a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
Didn't Duncan blow up the dragon's place. where they had all the dragons stored underground with wildfire, and destroyed all the eggs and thats why there are very little dragons left? Or were they gone before that? I don't remember.
@@bel410la they were gone before. Aegon V tried to do a ritual to awaken some eggs, but he ended up burning down the castle killing himself, Sir Duncan, and his son Duncan. Along with a bunch of other people. Jenny wasn't there, so the song mentions that she walks the ruins of the place Duncan died. Also, Rhaegar Targaryen was born on the same day of this incident, hence he was given the nickname the last dragon. Common folk believed Aegon V's ritual created Rhaegar.
Also, the song has even more powerful impact when you know how the story of Jon and Dany ends, imo. Every time I hear it (especially Florence the Machine version) I have goosebumps and I feel like the lyric is abt Daenerys... 😔😔 🖤
The song really did it justice. Both versions of the song are haunting and emotional and probably one of the best moments of the entire show, despite it being the most hated season.
@@K-J-A they've already finished the series.... they have a patreon i know they're wayyy ahead and have already finished. i would never purposely spoil it .
Honestly the Brienne knighting scene, is possibly one of the best scenes in the entire series. Definitely the most earned one, in season 8. Its just perfect. Always tears me up.
I remember how emotional this episode was! The Theon scenes hit me the most especially the one with Sansa when he asked to fight for Winterfell. Brought a tear to my eye seeing his redemption.
Spartan nails it at 16:40. The depth of loyalty and affinity with each other and the land is what makes the Starks legitimate in the North. They have earned their power by defending the people. Dani has similar relationships with people who would die for her. She has won a country and the loyalty of its people. But that country is across the ocean. She's in the wrong country here, on the wrong continent. And she is starting to realize that, although she cannot admit it to herself.
This is my favorite episode in season 8, absolutely amazing!! 17:12 note that Davos and Gilly had been with Shireen in some scenes before she died and she was a delight to them. Now in this scene they both remember her which is why you can hear the Shireen theme song playing in the background.
I like it a lot as well, but I do have to skip past the part of Arya stripping before jumping on Gendry.. I dunno, having watched her grow up in the show, it just feels icky :p
For all the things you can fault about this season, one big bright spot for me is the scene where Brienne was knighted. She deserves it and you can tell how much it meant to her.
We are very near at the end. Thanks Spartan & Pudgey for such good reactions. Soak this all up. You never see another series as lore rich and interesting as this. I have rewatched GOT 8 times already
Thanks for reacting. I think this is the best episode of season 8. As for Arya, she's about 18 at this point, (each season is roughly a year - she says she was 11 in season one, and season 8 is just starting), and Maisie Williams was 22. She just looks young.
Well if she is old enough to brutally murder an entire house, the Freys, and to cook human bits into a meat pie, I guess she's also old enough to have sex 🤷♂
Funny how Spartan thought this episode "missed the mark", when the general consensus is that this is, by far, the best episode of Season 8. Wonder if he'll feel the same after this season...
This entire season missed the mark. Just horrendous writing , especially the dialogue, characters completely changing and cringe fan service garbage. A few good moments, but overshadowed by some absolute nonsense. I can't rewatch anything past the 3rd episode and even those are a struggle.
@@themetalpig7613 This is the first time I've "rewatched" season 8, if you could call it that. This season really kills the rewatchability of the other seasons too, knowing that this is how it ends. Luckily I've had 12 years to reread the series more times than I can count. I got into the books after Feast and in those 17 or so years I've only had the excitement of one new book release. Crossing my fingers TWoW is ever released. I'm not dumb or naive enough to think A Dream of Spring is ever going to see the light of day.
@@Jon.A.Scholtit's so funny, I've re-watched the first 6 seasons many times and I love it each and every time, and this is also my first time re-watching season 7/8 and it's kind of killing me all over again
_"Tyrion brings up the fact that Davos survived the Battle of the Blackwater. _*_Tyrion._*_ To _*_Davos._*_ And Davos _*_makes a quip._*_ I guess the writers kinda forgot about Davos’ only son dying a horrible fiery death as a result of Tyrion’s plan to defend the city."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
You realize plenty of people have dark humor right? They joke about tragedy as a coping mechanism. So this is not a stretch or somehow ridiculous Davos didn't just break down at the word blackwater & cry for his kid.
Don’t think it was showing Theon and sansa in a romantic way it’s more about the bonds that have been built over the seasons and what is about to be lost if the living loose this battle
I mean it's up for interpretation I suppose but every other "bond" depicted during that montage were romantic ones. But it's still not priority where Theon and Sansa are concerned, they are the only ones who can fully relate to each other.
I think I speak for most. When we were watching these episodes, and we were in a comfortable place, with people we loved, we all cried like babies. That's why we watch other people react, because we want to go back to those days and "feel" like that again. A lot of us still cry every time we see some of these scenes. Please never make fun of each other for showing emotions, it's the greatest thing god gave mankind.
"He's bringing all the dead people back to life and they've put the women and children in a crypt with all the dead people. Tyrion is smart but I guess not that smart." - Peter Dinklage
Nothing in the series to this point suggested that this was a bad idea. Safest place in Winterfell. Only time we had seen him raise the dead was Hardhome and that only raised those who were immediately killed in that battle. Nothing suggested he could raise the dead of those killed long ago.
God I wish they had made a full version or longer version of Podrick singing Jenny of Oldstones. He has a great voice and it really hits me every time I rewatch that scene, the way the music swells
29:21 _"While arming a main character with a Valyrian steel sword right before this big important fight is clearly a good idea, this again reminds me of the conflict foregone at the end of last season where Jorah was absolutely fine with the idea of Jon. Never mind that Jon’s got the Mormont sword from Jeor’s own hands and was winning the love of the woman Jorah wanted. Jealousy? Nah. Jorah’s fine with the fact that Jon got everything Jorah wanted in his adult life. Who needs conflict in their story anyway! And also this reminds me that there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
_"...there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane"_ Well to be fair, Randyll and Dickon were burned to a crisp and therefore in no position to pursue the matter...
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Days, weeks, and probably even months passed _after_ Sam took Heartsbane, and _before_ his brother and father were killed. There was plenty of time for consequences. When they fought Dany, they had swords on them, so clearly someone realized Heartsbane was gone.
I completely understand Dany's position. Most of her life she's been through so much trying to take her family's throne back and now all of a sudden she might lose everything she's been fighting for just because a male heir appeard out of nowhere. Having said that, I do agree that it was a little disappointing that that was the first thing she thought of (the throne). When I first watched this episode I expected her to be at least a bit happy that she's no longer the last Targaryen.
@@Raminagrobisfr the invented stuff, 1st of all jon isn't meant to be legitimate, he'll find out he's actually a targaryen bastard 2nd even if he's legitimate he's not heir still, cuz the mad king disinherited rhaegar
it is crazy to think that it's been 9-10 months since you guys started Game of Thrones Journey and here I am every episode reaction, and it has been an absolute blast watching you two be enthralled with this franchise the same way I was back then.
Pods singing near the end reveals something from season 3 when Tyrion brought him to a brothel. The ladies gave the gold back not because he was an exceptional lover but because he was a beautiful singer and sang to them.
This was my favorite episode of the season. Brienne getting knighted, Podrick's song, and the constant feeling of inescapable dread. It did a lot of things right.
Danny’s reaction makes sense to me because Jon has literally been a completely different person to her since he found out.. he’s done a complete 180 on her and she’s also been made to feel like an outsider at Winterfell at every turn and his family has made her known they don’t like her or accept her regardless of his love for her.. so he’s been cold and distant so in that moment when now he tells her, his coldness can easily be interpreted at his feelings for her have changed and can feed into anyone’s insecurities because in this world everyone wants to be king so I get it
It felt less like her reaction to her treatment in the North (although surely that's a part of it) but simply because, as she said to Sansa she's been driven to the Iron Throne since she was a child. She's had a one-track mind about it her entire life. John is suddenly potentially standing in the way. That's what it felt like to me.
She IS an outsider at Winterfell. She's an outsider in Westeros. She has no legitimacy as a leader in Westeros, and the people do not recognize her as one. Now, finding out that she also doesn't have the best claim to the throne is clearly shocking and devastating. It's her whole life. If her efforts fail, then all of the suffering she has been through was for nothing in her mind.
@@johnalden5821Then maybe she should expect her treatment in Westeros, like a competent adult, instead of whining that no one instantly worships her godliness.
@@SnailHatan Oh, I totally agree. And I further think that her inability to master this one last step toward maturity is a factor in what eventually happens to her. She feels she is entitled. . .literally.
Jaime knights Brienne with Widow's Wail, while she has Oathkeeper with her. It's the symbolic coming together of the Two Swords Tywin re-forged from Ned Stark's sword Ice. Where else but in Winterfell. With the knighting it's like Ice is whole once again. That was a nice touch, dare I say. The first time Jaime saw Brienne was as a prisoner, during that heated "Kingslayer? What a King he was!" back and forth with Catelyn which revolved around questions of forsaken vows, honor and knighthood. Now that conversation is complete.
Jaime knighting Brianne was amazing for both of them. For her, becoming officially what she has always been, and for him- “to protect the innocent”, he did so when he saved kings landing but never could carry the name officially after that.
part of what makes this interesting is how different dany is from jon and sansa in terms of ruling. dany has freed and conquered cities, but we saw how hard it was for her to actually sit down and rule them. even in mereen, she didn't have the loyalty of her vassals, of her lords, of her people. that's why it's hard for her to understand the relationship between say sansa and brienne. sansa is totally on board for killing jamie, up until brienne, her sworn sword, protector, and confidante, steps up and vouches for him. the thing about swearing to a lord- you fight for them, but they also have to fight for you. sansa made promises to brienne, ones she must keep. just like the lords of the vale- they fight for her, but she has duties to them and if they aren't kept those alliances break down. dany isn't used to this. she doesn't know how to play this game.
You're ignoring the fact that she secured the loyalty, love and respect of both the unsullied and the Dothraki through sheer cunning and strategic emotional intelligence. Before all the nonsensical character writing post S6, she was the only character in this show that i could confidently say who's army/people would never betray her, the ONLY one. Not even Ned or Drogo had that. She can definitely play the game so all this S8 stuff is just blatantly out of character to fit an equally nonsensical ending. And speaking of promises: "You will be my Khalasar. I see the faces of slaves. I free you. Take off your collars. Go if yo wish, no one will stop you. But if you stay, it will be as brothers and sisters, as husbands and wives...I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen of the blood of Old Valyria. I am the Dragon's daughter. And I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming." - Daenerys 1x10. So she does understand.
it's different in Westeros. it's more civilized and less cuthroat(even if KL was known for politcial backstabbing). That is something Dany will never get use to. It's more about politics. That is the tragedy of Dany, she comes back "home" but it's a strange foreign land to her.
Great point. The people that love her were slaves. Their mindset is "Of course everyone has the right to freedom! Except the masters or anyone we deem bad - they don't get second chances. They deserve to be burned." It's understandable, but it's hypocrisy.
people always seem to forget that sansa quite literally suffered and bled for northern independence. she was beaten for every victory robb had during the war and it makes so much sense why she’d have issues with jon bending the knee to daenerys when it wasn’t necessary.
@@dulcetaffairs Jon bent the knee because Dany risked her life and Viserion to save a bunch of strangers (besides Jorah of course) when she didn't have to and with nothing to gain from it. Sansa doesn't know this so she resorts to making insulting assumptions instead. The point is her character is inconsistent, one day she's pro independence the next day she's anti independence. And the "battle of the bastards" wasn't to take back the North it was to take back winterfell. If the North wants to be independent then they have to negotiate for it like everyone else. But instead of being the wise and tactful diplomat like Yara Greyjoy she prefers to openly antagonize Dany like a child who's learned nothing these past 6 years. Great character, that Sansa.
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Though I do wonder why they went through with that scene since visually it looks very jarring imo (because like you said the actress still looks like a kid)
"we are in a crypt, Nobody thought of that.. He is bringing all the dead people back to life, and they put the women and children in a Crypt with all the dead people . So....Tyrion he is smart but I guess Not smart" Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister)
me too. she's finally happy, seemingly, the day before everyone will likely die. In that moment, realizing she got to be happy, truly happy, if only for a moment... :/
Whose incompetence? Tyrion at least offers advice even if it has been bad... what exactly has Varys contributed since joining Dany? Her advisors have been failing her badly. That's incompetence.
Who is blindly supporting Jon? Jon & many blindly supported Dany though because superficially "slavery bad", "break the wheel", "I won't burn people" sounds good vs looking at her consistent history of fire and blood.
Oh man, I can't wait till they explain the "intelligence" of the White Walkers and (at least some kind of) reasons behind them leaving symbols around, in one of the next episodes. We've been waiting for that since the very first 5 minutes of the show, when they showed us their first symbol, so I'm sure it's going to be good and blow our minds. And I can't wait to see this new world Dany will create, and who she'll award power/authority to, as I'm sure she won't just go back to just handing out castles to people based on who their father was, since her entire storyline has been around "breaking the wheel" and removing "old power".
30:18 _"And another good moment here. Finishing ‘Jenny of Oldstones’ is definitely the best thing Weiss did for this season. Montage works here too, no complaints."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
Sansa already had the good nature, loyalty and strong will of the Starks. But it was her lessons from being around Cersei, Margaery, Littlefinger and Tyrion, some of the best to ever play the game that made her this way. Lastly, Sansa remembers what got her brother killed, she didn't want John to make the same mistakes as Rob did.
@@laza0202 She was smart enough to try to get Jon killed in battle by not telling him about the Knights of the Vale, then undermining him at Winterfell, then metaphorically stabbing him and her Queen both in the back. It worked, as she got exactly what Littlefinger had suggested she wanted - to be the Lady of Winterfell.
To be fair, Ned Stark's biggest mistake was entrusting Sansa with the information that he intended to secretly leave KL with his family to ensure their safety. Jon is about to repeat Ned's mistake in trusting Sansa.
@@doommonger7784 I am sorry no... Had she tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale, there would be no need to save his skin afterwards, because Jon would go to battle with a plan and not to a suicide mission. She was at the stage she couldn't trust anyone not even her siblings(Arya and Jon) that's why she was doing things behind the curtains, and she continously was undermining Jon. She didn't believe he could be a good leader. Also we saw in many scenes that she wanted to lead Winterfell, she even discussed it with Lf. She just thought she could do better. And we saw and we will see it many times again.
It doesn't make Dany one dimensional because she was concerned that Jon may be the rightful heir!Lineage is the most important equation so she wasn't going to celebrate having another Targaryen ahead of her for the throne.
@@hokagedlo6133wrong. Look at the Stark family tree again. They were first cousins once removed. Lyarra was first cousins with Rikard’s father. Rikard’s grandfather and Lyarra’s father were brothers.
Arya doesn't really care about Gendry, she knows she trusts him, but she's not in love or anything. And she doesn't care about pleasantries anyway, she's too straight forward and self important to want a guy to romance her. It's just as she says: she wants to know what it's like because they're probably going to die. In a way, I think that's a really healthy outlook from her.
I disagree. I think she truly meant they could be family all those seasons ago & that easily could become love that they touched on in this scene. She just didn't have it in her to stay in one place & tend to that love so it could grow (especially after all the death & pain in her life & caused by her too). Did Nymeria not love Arya? I think she did. She just couldn't be tame.
Actually. When Jamie attacked Ned Stark in the streets of kings landing, they werent at war. War started the moment Robb refused Joffreys royal command and raised his army to march on Winterfell after Ned was imprisoned. Jamie commited a war crime by attacking Ned when they werent at war
I love this episode, this is the first episode where we have the majority of the characters together in one place, all of them waiting for the storm to come, it’s a veré nostalgic episode and one of my favorites. Something to point out and I realize this while watching this reaction is how Daenerys says to Sansa “I wish I have that kind of faith from my advisors” I mean, you’ve had! She has sir Jorah and Grey worm, Missandai and she had Barriatan, I don’t know why the writers made her say something lika that…
19:19 _"Theon defending Bran, whether or not it happens in the books, is a logical thing for the character trying to make up for some of the bad shit he did earlier."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
What's interesting about the prophecy is, it says the "Prince that was promised" not the "King". So i thunk that might have been a hint that he wouldn't take the iron throne, just that he was meant to save the world
im sorry but if i were dany i would have changed my hand, people (in universe) have too much sympathy for the mistakes tyrion has been making since season 6. Honestly it feels like d&d are trying to gaslight the audience into feeling like dany's anger towards tyrion's mistakes is unjustified, to try and push the "angry mad woman" into dany.
yea I mean logically Dany should have dumped Tyrion a long time ago but also I blame D & D for making Tyrion so dumb. You could have had her side take some Ls while not totally being cause of Tyrion. Tyrion suddenly trusting Cersei is just ridiculous and not in-character.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 oh yeah absolutely i agree, tyrion was a smart and cunning man in kings landing. D&d completely destroyed his character, and took away all his anger towards his family and especially cersei to turn him into a one dimensional fool. He never trusted cersei even when their relationship was more "cordial". Almost no character was spared from their terrible writing.
@@vbb2076 yea I mean the fun of Season 2 was seeing Tyrion as Hand out playing her at every turn. Cause he knows Cersei is a snake. All the smart characters turned dumb the moment GRRM's writing was not there anymore.
Dany reacted that why because remember in House of the Dragon : lords prefer Men on the Throne rather than Woman ( they wanted Aegon even though Rhaenyra was the heir)
Sansa be like: you bring your armies and dragons and use them in the front line to fight the night king, but eat no food from the north,. then go south to kill my worse enemy and give us the North's independence cause we don't need you!
26:26 _"I know this scene made a fair few people uncomfortable, since they still saw Arya as a child. This is not helped by the show not giving a good sense of the passage of time. Tommen overtook Arya’s aging. Cersei’s been pregnant for how long now? So it’s incredibly unclear how old Arya’s supposed to be. Then there’s the fact that the last time Arya saw Gendry, she was unmistakably a child, and her crush on him was a child’s crush. The last information we got about Arya and romance, she was processing why she liked looking at him with his shirt off and why she wanted him to keep travelling with her. In the time they’ve spent apart, none of Arya’s development has even touched on her sexual maturity. The relationship went from the Westerosi equivalent of “he’s not my boyfriend! I just happen to be here every time he’s working in the forge shirtless!” to “let’s fuck in the courtyard” with only a few scenes of flirting to cover the gap. This is a case where a relationship picking up where it left off really could have used a little more work, I think."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
It didn't miss the mark. This is GoT, obviously not a touchy feely series.. the sentimental moments we got here is way more than could have been expected. Also after this episode aired, I remember " how old is Arya/Maisie Williams" trending online 😄 everyone was a little weirded out because yeah, we watched this chick grow up on screen. The shock reaction was kind of standard when this aired😄
8:46 _"Jaime informs Dany here, in open court, about the Iron Fleet and the 20k fresh troops. Let’s just keep track of people mentioning this sort of thing, hey?"_ *-TURTLE PACED*
I remember one of the most googled things after this episode aired was the age of Maise and Arya!! People still thought of her as a child and it shocked them. Theon is my favorite character in this show. The character growth is amazing, the fact that you hate him when he first shows up and cry over him now is such good character writing!!
27:36 _"Here’s where another *“oh god, another Tyrion party*” becomes the best scene in the episode and, for whatever it’s worth, probably the best scene in the entire season (even though I think it’s narratively important to Jaime’s arc that he recognises Brienne’s worth independent of the prompting he gets here; oh well never mind since his character arc’s going to be disintegrated it doesn’t matter, I’m glad we made something of his character while we had it). The acting and direction here show the lie of Brienne’s denial that she doesn’t even want to be a knight._ _"It’s also a nice touch that Brienne looks to Pod to see what he makes of this; after seasons of her berating him and kicking him around like a bloody football, it’s something that shows her affection for him. And I do like the choice to show the closeup of Jaime’s remaining flesh-and-blood hand on his sword. Chemistry between the actors, direction, music, all come together to get something genuine and emotional out of this moment even when the show’s stripped down all discussion of what it means to be a knight."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
Just as well The Hound wasn't present, really... I'm sure he'd have had a few choice words about knights that would have put a bit of a damper on things!
10:38 Tyrion has been an absolute shit Hand to Dany since the very beginning. He never earned it in the first place. It was total contrivance by the show.
When Misandei told Grey Worm that she'd wanna go to Naath, he would die if he did. Naath island is full of poisonous butterflies from which only locals are inmune of.😂
34:57 i agree with spartan. it does make her to look one-dimentional. the writers kinda forgot about how all dany wants is to have a family, peace and love. i refuse to believe that's the same book character who was having thoughts about giving up her crown to have a simple life with Daario, a man she doesn't even love. just for the sake of having a loving family. there's so many times in the books where dany feels lonely and sad about being the last Targaryen and how she wishes she had a brother to protect her. when dany finds out about jon in the books, i can't think about any other reaction than her crying or smiling, it's all she ever wanted, not to be alone.
ive binge watched the first 7 seasons of your reactions in the last 3 weeks so you have been my daily watch....... The last 3 days have been a nightmare waiting for the next episode !!
The symbol we saw at the Umbars was not the same as the symbol we saw in episode one. It was the same as the symbol that Mance Rayder and John came upon, made by bodies of horses, that spurred Mance on to tell his people to climb the wall and wait for his signal.
13:57 *_“[Tyrion] owns his [mistakes] and learns from them”_* _could also have been a pretty powerful argument…if it wasn’t contradicted by pretty much everything we’ve seen him do. Did I imagine him denying he’d made any mistakes in his handling of Meereen, back in season six? I don’t think I did… Incidentally, this is now dialogue exchange three between Dany and her advisors going over the point that Tyrion’s given some shitty advice. This is the most useful of the three, because it expresses the central problem and depicts one of the parties actually making a decision about how they’re going to handle it. It’s also the third goddamn time in under twenty minutes we’ve been over the same issue with more or less the same people in the same political context"_ *-TURTLE PACED*
You also have to consider that without Danny there wouldn’t be any dragons born again, there wouldn’t be any ansolids and Dothrake fighting in winterfell! She’s the one who kinda brought house Targaryan back to life. To see that John is more worthy than her to the throne even if he doesn’t want it is so painful and unfair. That’s why I get Danny’s reaction.
@@orphanedhanyou You just misunderstood the point. I said the reason they won against the knight king and his army was mainly because of Danny. Believe it or not!
Those scenes with Brienne being knighted and Pod singing, etc. = absolutely beautiful. In the end, say what you will about story choices & writing, but the actors & characters in this show are perfection. They give it life.
I disagree. This episode was great. One of the best in my opinion. And I do not agree about your feeling on Dany and Jon. How should she have reacted? She was shocked and has believed forever that she is the last of her House. It was basically a bombshell for her. It would have been bad writing if she just accepted it and was super happy about it.
11:59 Tyrion is EXACTLY the same. EXACTLY. He's just better at it, but he's a liar too. Also, the idea that Tyrion would buy Cersei's good faith is incredulous!
This was a nice episode relatively speaking but my big problem with it is that it takes up 1/6th of the final season. If this was a normal 10 episode season then it would be great. But it takes up too much time on character stuff imo when there is so much plot to get through in the last 4 episodes. Ideally, you would have a 10 episode season so you can have good character episodes like this without needing to condense and rush major plot stuff and/or rush other character arcs that happen in the next section of the season
Arya is 18 in the show and Gendry is 22 I believe. And as weird as that scene was, and how much it makes me uncomfortable(We've literally seen her grow up since the actress was 11, and the character was 12) I really like it. I think that Arya being someone who has always said f-u to societal norms of this world being someone who was able to choose when, where and with who she has her first time makes sense. Not many women in this world get to choose who they are with, and someone she trusts and cares about-Gendry, being her choice makes sense. She had a crush on him when they were little and now they are older and might die, I understand where her heads at.
It was a White Walker in GoT's opening scenes, not a wight. And they weren't "porcelain dolls" chopped up and laid in a pattern, it was dead Wildlings.
This one is my favourite episode of season 8 ! I remember in the week after its release, I was pretty much frantic, making theories with my brother and my friends about which characters were about to die ; there are sooo many beloved characters being together in a very dangerous situation
32:28 _"Dany goes through the idea that the sources here are a little suspect. Thanks for applying some critical thinking! You’re in season eight, you don’t need it."_ 32:38 _"And Dany reacts with the political implications. Much like Sam did, and Bran as well. Much like Sansa will. There is no exploration of what this revelation means for Jon personally, nor any examination of what this tells us about Ned. Oh, and also, I’m just going to get the fire foam out, because Dany’s realised that this revelation may pose a serious threat to her goals, and clearly her dismay means that she’s one step closer to lighting major population centres on fire."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
I mean Dany lost a dragon fighting against the wights and she's now in Winterfell risking her life... I get Sam's sadness towards his family (the again, how they treated him...) but when it counts, at least on this account, she's selfless.
The WW symbols don’t mean anything. D&D confirmed it. They just thought it looked cool. I remember so many people having theories on it, but it was basically pointless. And after S8, I realized some of S7 scenes are now pointless as well since the topics are never picked back up or made no difference to the outcome.
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I hope you turned your brightness up for the next episode
If you actually count the time that passed during the 8 seasons of the show, Arya is believed to be 18 years old in Season 8 while Gendry is believed to be around 23 (though his age isn't confirmed onscreen) in the story. In real life, actors Maisie Williams and Joe Dempsie are 22 and 31 respectively here. Yeah she is petite, but don't be fooled by appearances, its just perception at the end of the day.
🎉🎉 Love the coupling, and Stevie Wonder could see Sansa&Theon or Arya & Danjre and Jamie & Breine coupling. A real shock is tourman and Terian. 😅 hooking up. Please. . Oh yes, have your tv on the brightest setting.
This was my favorite episode of Season 8
@blissinchains I'm waiting for SNOW Wish there was a dragon and a short sassy Queen in it. Season 8 writers should be banned 😤 but GAME OF THRONES gave me hrs of enjoyment and viewing party nights.
16:47 Spartan is way ahead of the game in understanding Dany here. “It’s a love that she wants but she’s not getting in these lands. It’s a love that has to be earned through time and experience and bonds. Not just “I’m the Queen”. 💯
I think this will be a big part of the young griff arc in the books
How about "I'm the only Queen in this (or any other kingdom) who turned up with an army (or two) to save your sorry ungrateful arses (again) when I could have been taking King's Landing and the Iron Throne"?
@@doommonger7784no, it’s not lost. she pledge to fight for them even before jon chose to bend the knee to her, and everyone would be dead if it weren’t for her, her dragons and her army.
@@doommonger7784no his point is valid, Mr I'm the only one who gets to decide things....
Poner todo lo que tiene para luchar por Invernalia no me parece poca cosa, hay que ser agradecido
The knighting of Brienne is one of the best scenes of the whole series. Watch it again. There is so much being said without words, the facial expressions, eye contact, head nods, the background music, Brienne's final smile, etc. When Jaime is saying the words to knight her, you realize that she has already done all of that, she has always been a knight.
Jaime just gave her the greatest gift possible-- publicly affirming she earned the respect of her peers, doing what she knows is her purpose.
Brienne has always been a knight, just like ser duncan the tall
There were a few scenes like that. Everyone squabbling over chairs at the small council table, without talking, was a good one
I love how Pod calls her a liar without saying a word when she says "I don't want to be a knight".
The Jenny of Oldstones song from the book was a remarkable choice for this scene. Master Aemon's brother, King Aegon V, had Duncan and Jaehaerys. Duncan was heir to the iron throne and gave up this title because he fell in love with a commoner, Jenny of Oldstones. His brother, Jaehaerys, took up the title of heir and later became king. Jaehaerys then had Aerys II, the mad king, who was his heir and later became king. Essentially, Duncan's love for Jenny is what started this story, and the song leads up to the last two remaining Targaryens, Aegon and Daenerys.
And to top it off Brienne is theorised amongst us book readers as a descendent of Duncan the Tall (which GRRM confirmed I believe). A secret which hasn't been revealed yet in the books, as the Tales are incomplete. The name of the episode is about Brienne becoming a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
Didn't Duncan blow up the dragon's place. where they had all the dragons stored underground with wildfire, and destroyed all the eggs and thats why there are very little dragons left? Or were they gone before that? I don't remember.
@@bel410la they were gone before. Aegon V tried to do a ritual to awaken some eggs, but he ended up burning down the castle killing himself, Sir Duncan, and his son Duncan. Along with a bunch of other people. Jenny wasn't there, so the song mentions that she walks the ruins of the place Duncan died. Also, Rhaegar Targaryen was born on the same day of this incident, hence he was given the nickname the last dragon. Common folk believed Aegon V's ritual created Rhaegar.
Also, the song has even more powerful impact when you know how the story of Jon and Dany ends, imo. Every time I hear it (especially Florence the Machine version) I have goosebumps and I feel like the lyric is abt Daenerys... 😔😔 🖤
The song really did it justice. Both versions of the song are haunting and emotional and probably one of the best moments of the entire show, despite it being the most hated season.
The way Theon looks at Sansa it is almost like he doesn’t want to fail her the same way he failed Robb. He may see Robb in her eyes
I will never be over Sansa and Theon 😭😭😭 he deserved to live and spend the rest of his days protecting Sansa at winterfell
@@iris-xoSome people don't think twice before giving spoilers.
Shame on you
They've finished but be was definitely trying to spoil it for them
@@K-J-A they've already finished the series.... they have a patreon i know they're wayyy ahead and have already finished. i would never purposely spoil it .
Alfie Allen was never even nominated for an Emmy
Outrageous
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Honestly the Brienne knighting scene, is possibly one of the best scenes in the entire series. Definitely the most earned one, in season 8. Its just perfect. Always tears me up.
I remember how emotional this episode was! The Theon scenes hit me the most especially the one with Sansa when he asked to fight for Winterfell. Brought a tear to my eye seeing his redemption.
Spartan nails it at 16:40. The depth of loyalty and affinity with each other and the land is what makes the Starks legitimate in the North. They have earned their power by defending the people. Dani has similar relationships with people who would die for her. She has won a country and the loyalty of its people. But that country is across the ocean. She's in the wrong country here, on the wrong continent. And she is starting to realize that, although she cannot admit it to herself.
This is my favorite episode in season 8, absolutely amazing!!
17:12 note that Davos and Gilly had been with Shireen in some scenes before she died and she was a delight to them. Now in this scene they both remember her which is why you can hear the Shireen theme song playing in the background.
I like it a lot as well, but I do have to skip past the part of Arya stripping before jumping on Gendry.. I dunno, having watched her grow up in the show, it just feels icky :p
That is a brutal indictment of season 8, that this episode is your favorite.
Agreed, honestly the only S8 episode I remember in a positive light
For all the things you can fault about this season, one big bright spot for me is the scene where Brienne was knighted. She deserves it and you can tell how much it meant to her.
We are very near at the end. Thanks Spartan & Pudgey for such good reactions. Soak this all up. You never see another series as lore rich and interesting as this. I have rewatched GOT 8 times already
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This man has seen all 64 seasons of game of thrones
@@pickleshall02 man i wish it was 64 seasons haha with a time jump to the modern world
I've only watched the entire series 3 times. Good on ya lol
@@muffinamy83 during my free time ofcourse haha especially during lockdown
Thanks for reacting. I think this is the best episode of season 8. As for Arya, she's about 18 at this point, (each season is roughly a year - she says she was 11 in season one, and season 8 is just starting), and Maisie Williams was 22. She just looks young.
Well if she is old enough to brutally murder an entire house, the Freys, and to cook human bits into a meat pie, I guess she's also old enough to have sex 🤷♂
Its also the fact that we've been with her since she was literally a little kid so seeing her in such a scene is...weird, understandably so.
Yeah when everyone googled how old Maisie Williams is
nobody talks an word when a kid Arya kill a lot of people, but a adult woman had sex is strange.
@@yurizinM I agree. Arya is about 18, Gendry is about 23, and they're not even brother and sister for once. It's fine.
From “where did you find this beast?” to “arise Brienne of Tarth, knight of the seven kingdoms” is the biggest glow up. Best episode of this season.❤
I agree. Def my favorite of S8
Nasty Jaime was the worst/best 😂
I think Theon's story arc and character development through out all seasons is so good, so complex and interesting. The second, for me, is Jamie's.
Well, this guy just said Jaime has only done one good thing in the show. So I'm sure he'd disagree.
@@derikk3215 which is joining the good guys to fight the dead?
Funny how Spartan thought this episode "missed the mark", when the general consensus is that this is, by far, the best episode of Season 8. Wonder if he'll feel the same after this season...
This entire season missed the mark. Just horrendous writing , especially the dialogue, characters completely changing and cringe fan service garbage. A few good moments, but overshadowed by some absolute nonsense. I can't rewatch anything past the 3rd episode and even those are a struggle.
@@themetalpig7613 This is the first time I've "rewatched" season 8, if you could call it that. This season really kills the rewatchability of the other seasons too, knowing that this is how it ends.
Luckily I've had 12 years to reread the series more times than I can count. I got into the books after Feast and in those 17 or so years I've only had the excitement of one new book release. Crossing my fingers TWoW is ever released. I'm not dumb or naive enough to think A Dream of Spring is ever going to see the light of day.
@@Jon.A.Scholtapparently people made AI cuts of Dream of Spring & Winds of Winter. Gotta be better than what we got
It missed the mark for him bc he didn't get enough Jon 😂
@@Jon.A.Scholtit's so funny, I've re-watched the first 6 seasons many times and I love it each and every time, and this is also my first time re-watching season 7/8 and it's kind of killing me all over again
_"Tyrion brings up the fact that Davos survived the Battle of the Blackwater. _*_Tyrion._*_ To _*_Davos._*_ And Davos _*_makes a quip._*_ I guess the writers kinda forgot about Davos’ only son dying a horrible fiery death as a result of Tyrion’s plan to defend the city."_
*-TURTLE PACED*
oof'ed
Jesus christ, never picked up on that one.
You realize plenty of people have dark humor right? They joke about tragedy as a coping mechanism. So this is not a stretch or somehow ridiculous Davos didn't just break down at the word blackwater & cry for his kid.
@@orphanedhanyou That is not it.
Don’t think it was showing Theon and sansa in a romantic way it’s more about the bonds that have been built over the seasons and what is about to be lost if the living loose this battle
I agree, Theon is like a brother to her. He truly is as much a Stark as a Greyjoy.
I mean it's up for interpretation I suppose but every other "bond" depicted during that montage were romantic ones. But it's still not priority where Theon and Sansa are concerned, they are the only ones who can fully relate to each other.
One 'o' in lose.
I think I speak for most. When we were watching these episodes, and we were in a comfortable place, with people we loved, we all cried like babies. That's why we watch other people react, because we want to go back to those days and "feel" like that again. A lot of us still cry every time we see some of these scenes. Please never make fun of each other for showing emotions, it's the greatest thing god gave mankind.
"He's bringing all the dead people back to life and they've put the women and children in a crypt with all the dead people. Tyrion is smart but I guess not that smart."
- Peter Dinklage
Tyrion became an absolute fool the moment his story run out of book material. They literaly turned him into a comic relief character.
Nothing in the series to this point suggested that this was a bad idea. Safest place in Winterfell. Only time we had seen him raise the dead was Hardhome and that only raised those who were immediately killed in that battle. Nothing suggested he could raise the dead of those killed long ago.
@@JaydenGuy-ef4lb hard cope mate
@@itotallycare Just common sense really.
The smart characters couldn't be smart anymore cause D & D are not
God I wish they had made a full version or longer version of Podrick singing Jenny of Oldstones. He has a great voice and it really hits me every time I rewatch that scene, the way the music swells
29:21 _"While arming a main character with a Valyrian steel sword right before this big important fight is clearly a good idea, this again reminds me of the conflict foregone at the end of last season where Jorah was absolutely fine with the idea of Jon. Never mind that Jon’s got the Mormont sword from Jeor’s own hands and was winning the love of the woman Jorah wanted. Jealousy? Nah. Jorah’s fine with the fact that Jon got everything Jorah wanted in his adult life. Who needs conflict in their story anyway! And also this reminds me that there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane."_
*-TURTLE PACED*
Also correct
_"...there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane"_
Well to be fair, Randyll and Dickon were burned to a crisp and therefore in no position to pursue the matter...
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Days, weeks, and probably even months passed _after_ Sam took Heartsbane, and _before_ his brother and father were killed. There was plenty of time for consequences. When they fought Dany, they had swords on them, so clearly someone realized Heartsbane was gone.
@@Mic-Mak they didnt know where Sam was
I love Podric singing the song about "Jenny." I wonder if maybe he sang for the girls in the brothel...and that's why they didn't take the coin? 🥰
I think that is a very good assumption!
Shit mate, never though of that but I love it 😂🎉
He’s the first ever iPod
@redheadstoner7788 that was very good. 😊
I completely understand Dany's position. Most of her life she's been through so much trying to take her family's throne back and now all of a sudden she might lose everything she's been fighting for just because a male heir appeard out of nowhere.
Having said that, I do agree that it was a little disappointing that that was the first thing she thought of (the throne). When I first watched this episode I expected her to be at least a bit happy that she's no longer the last Targaryen.
Yeah they tried to antagonize Dany so bad
Well regardless of gender, Jon is the heir. Rhaegar was Aerys's firstborn.
@@Raminagrobisfrand Rhaegar was disinherited and Viserys was mad heir so that made Dany the heir the moment Viserys died
@@Raminagrobisfr the invented stuff, 1st of all jon isn't meant to be legitimate, he'll find out he's actually a targaryen bastard
2nd even if he's legitimate he's not heir still, cuz the mad king disinherited rhaegar
@@laza0202wait when the mad king took his titles away
it is crazy to think that it's been 9-10 months since you guys started Game of Thrones Journey and here I am every episode reaction, and it has been an absolute blast watching you two be enthralled with this franchise the same way I was back then.
Missed the mark?Thats why Pudgy was bawling all the way through,lol.
Pods singing near the end reveals something from season 3 when Tyrion brought him to a brothel. The ladies gave the gold back not because he was an exceptional lover but because he was a beautiful singer and sang to them.
This was my favorite episode of the season. Brienne getting knighted, Podrick's song, and the constant feeling of inescapable dread. It did a lot of things right.
Danny’s reaction makes sense to me because Jon has literally been a completely different person to her since he found out.. he’s done a complete 180 on her and she’s also been made to feel like an outsider at Winterfell at every turn and his family has made her known they don’t like her or accept her regardless of his love for her.. so he’s been cold and distant so in that moment when now he tells her, his coldness can easily be interpreted at his feelings for her have changed and can feed into anyone’s insecurities because in this world everyone wants to be king so I get it
It felt less like her reaction to her treatment in the North (although surely that's a part of it) but simply because, as she said to Sansa she's been driven to the Iron Throne since she was a child. She's had a one-track mind about it her entire life. John is suddenly potentially standing in the way. That's what it felt like to me.
She IS an outsider at Winterfell. She's an outsider in Westeros. She has no legitimacy as a leader in Westeros, and the people do not recognize her as one. Now, finding out that she also doesn't have the best claim to the throne is clearly shocking and devastating. It's her whole life. If her efforts fail, then all of the suffering she has been through was for nothing in her mind.
@@johnalden5821Then maybe she should expect her treatment in Westeros, like a competent adult, instead of whining that no one instantly worships her godliness.
@@SnailHatan Oh, I totally agree. And I further think that her inability to master this one last step toward maturity is a factor in what eventually happens to her. She feels she is entitled. . .literally.
@@johnalden5821but then people act like they dont know why she burnt down the city 😒
Awesome reaction! For me personally this is the best episode of season 8
Not exactly praise
Its easily the best in my opinion as well
Agreed
Tbh that's not a high bar to beat lol
Definitely shows how bad season 8 was. This episode was a total waste of time.
Jaime knights Brienne with Widow's Wail, while she has Oathkeeper with her. It's the symbolic coming together of the Two Swords Tywin re-forged from Ned Stark's sword Ice. Where else but in Winterfell. With the knighting it's like Ice is whole once again. That was a nice touch, dare I say. The first time Jaime saw Brienne was as a prisoner, during that heated "Kingslayer? What a King he was!" back and forth with Catelyn which revolved around questions of forsaken vows, honor and knighthood. Now that conversation is complete.
Jaime knighting Brianne was amazing for both of them. For her, becoming officially what she has always been, and for him- “to protect the innocent”, he did so when he saved kings landing but never could carry the name officially after that.
part of what makes this interesting is how different dany is from jon and sansa in terms of ruling. dany has freed and conquered cities, but we saw how hard it was for her to actually sit down and rule them. even in mereen, she didn't have the loyalty of her vassals, of her lords, of her people. that's why it's hard for her to understand the relationship between say sansa and brienne. sansa is totally on board for killing jamie, up until brienne, her sworn sword, protector, and confidante, steps up and vouches for him. the thing about swearing to a lord- you fight for them, but they also have to fight for you. sansa made promises to brienne, ones she must keep. just like the lords of the vale- they fight for her, but she has duties to them and if they aren't kept those alliances break down. dany isn't used to this. she doesn't know how to play this game.
You're ignoring the fact that she secured the loyalty, love and respect of both the unsullied and the Dothraki through sheer cunning and strategic emotional intelligence. Before all the nonsensical character writing post S6, she was the only character in this show that i could confidently say who's army/people would never betray her, the ONLY one. Not even Ned or Drogo had that. She can definitely play the game so all this S8 stuff is just blatantly out of character to fit an equally nonsensical ending. And speaking of promises:
"You will be my Khalasar. I see the faces of slaves. I free you. Take off your collars. Go if yo wish, no one will stop you. But if you stay, it will be as brothers and sisters, as husbands and wives...I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen of the blood of Old Valyria. I am the Dragon's daughter. And I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming." - Daenerys 1x10. So she does understand.
it's different in Westeros. it's more civilized and less cuthroat(even if KL was known for politcial backstabbing). That is something Dany will never get use to. It's more about politics. That is the tragedy of Dany, she comes back "home" but it's a strange foreign land to her.
@@BhBc8f8 She gained these people's loyalty by conquest. Westeros is about politics. The Old World vs the New World.
Great point. The people that love her were slaves. Their mindset is "Of course everyone has the right to freedom! Except the masters or anyone we deem bad - they don't get second chances. They deserve to be burned." It's understandable, but it's hypocrisy.
And, we've finally figured out what Podrick did to those girls to make them not take his money; He sang to them.
people always seem to forget that sansa quite literally suffered and bled for northern independence. she was beaten for every victory robb had during the war and it makes so much sense why she’d have issues with jon bending the knee to daenerys when it wasn’t necessary.
She is still selfish and betrayed his trust. Worried more about Dany than the white walkers knocking at their door.
But then why does she applaud Torrhen Stark for bending the Knee to Aegon I Targaryen to save lives but losing independence in the process?
@@Allaiya. exactly. im sick of everyone always being team sansa, as if she didnt have any faults at all
@@BhBc8f8 dany had already agreed to fight for the north, jon bent the knee after this even though he didn’t need to
@@dulcetaffairs Jon bent the knee because Dany risked her life and Viserion to save a bunch of strangers (besides Jorah of course) when she didn't have to and with nothing to gain from it. Sansa doesn't know this so she resorts to making insulting assumptions instead.
The point is her character is inconsistent, one day she's pro independence the next day she's anti independence. And the "battle of the bastards" wasn't to take back the North it was to take back winterfell. If the North wants to be independent then they have to negotiate for it like everyone else. But instead of being the wise and tactful diplomat like Yara Greyjoy she prefers to openly antagonize Dany like a child who's learned nothing these past 6 years. Great character, that Sansa.
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Theon had the best character arc in the whole show imo
I believe Pod sang to the prostitutes, that’s why they wouldn’t take his money
Arya is about 18 now so well within the age. She's just so petite that she looks younger than she is. She's older than Bran.
Though I do wonder why they went through with that scene since visually it looks very jarring imo (because like you said the actress still looks like a kid)
"we are in a crypt, Nobody thought of that.. He is bringing all the dead people back to life, and they put the women and children in a Crypt with all the dead people . So....Tyrion he is smart but I guess Not smart" Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister)
Brienne getting knighted made me cry the first time i watched it ❤️
Oh god it’s happening again
I cried ! The love in the room was overflowing. .
me too. she's finally happy, seemingly, the day before everyone will likely die. In that moment, realizing she got to be happy, truly happy, if only for a moment... :/
I love how Pudgey says “no” like “NARRR”
Spartan needs to listen to Varys when it comes to Spartans support of Jon, "incompetence shouldn't be rewarded with blind loyalty" lol.
Whose incompetence? Tyrion at least offers advice even if it has been bad... what exactly has Varys contributed since joining Dany? Her advisors have been failing her badly. That's incompetence.
Varys has done nothing the past 2 seasons
Varys and Tyrion characters become completely incompetent in S8.
D&D wrote the final 4 episodes of the season. That speaks for itself.
Who is blindly supporting Jon? Jon & many blindly supported Dany though because superficially "slavery bad", "break the wheel", "I won't burn people" sounds good vs looking at her consistent history of fire and blood.
Oh man, I can't wait till they explain the "intelligence" of the White Walkers and (at least some kind of) reasons behind them leaving symbols around, in one of the next episodes. We've been waiting for that since the very first 5 minutes of the show, when they showed us their first symbol, so I'm sure it's going to be good and blow our minds.
And I can't wait to see this new world Dany will create, and who she'll award power/authority to, as I'm sure she won't just go back to just handing out castles to people based on who their father was, since her entire storyline has been around "breaking the wheel" and removing "old power".
Right? I can’t wait until all our questions are finally answered…
Winter is here!
30:18 _"And another good moment here. Finishing ‘Jenny of Oldstones’ is definitely the best thing Weiss did for this season. Montage works here too, no complaints."_
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Absolutely right
You're cringe with all your quotes. Learn to think for yourself.
"Your whole face is wet!" 🤣🤣🤣 what a lad
I love how Pudgey laugh cries and ol boy looks over and says "you're a mess." I chuckled a bit.
Sansa already had the good nature, loyalty and strong will of the Starks. But it was her lessons from being around Cersei, Margaery, Littlefinger and Tyrion, some of the best to ever play the game that made her this way. Lastly, Sansa remembers what got her brother killed, she didn't want John to make the same mistakes as Rob did.
How's sansa unstopable? She doesn't make sense,the show constantly mentioning sansa is smart but no particular thing has happened to depict that
@@laza0202 She was smart enough to try to get Jon killed in battle by not telling him about the Knights of the Vale, then undermining him at Winterfell, then metaphorically stabbing him and her Queen both in the back. It worked, as she got exactly what Littlefinger had suggested she wanted - to be the Lady of Winterfell.
To be fair, Ned Stark's biggest mistake was entrusting Sansa with the information that he intended to secretly leave KL with his family to ensure their safety. Jon is about to repeat Ned's mistake in trusting Sansa.
@@doommonger7784 I am sorry no... Had she tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale, there would be no need to save his skin afterwards, because Jon would go to battle with a plan and not to a suicide mission. She was at the stage she couldn't trust anyone not even her siblings(Arya and Jon) that's why she was doing things behind the curtains, and she continously was undermining Jon. She didn't believe he could be a good leader. Also we saw in many scenes that she wanted to lead Winterfell, she even discussed it with Lf. She just thought she could do better. And we saw and we will see it many times again.
@@doommonger7784 Reacting to the mere mention of Sansa's betrayal with accusations of "blind hatred" is the sure sign of a blind Sanshipper :D
11:40
Arya: "My weapon?"
Gendry: "I'll get right on it."
26:55
Gendry: "My weapon."
Arya: "I'll get right on it."
It doesn't make Dany one dimensional because she was concerned that Jon may be the rightful heir!Lineage is the most important equation so she wasn't going to celebrate having another Targaryen ahead of her for the throne.
Jon is acting that way, avoiding her, because he found out Dany is his Aunt.
And neds parents were first cousins 😂😂 biological theirs really no difference here 🙈
@@hokagedlo6133wrong. Look at the Stark family tree again. They were first cousins once removed. Lyarra was first cousins with Rikard’s father. Rikard’s grandfather and Lyarra’s father were brothers.
It’s not like Stark men didn’t marry their nieces in the past.
Arya doesn't really care about Gendry, she knows she trusts him, but she's not in love or anything. And she doesn't care about pleasantries anyway, she's too straight forward and self important to want a guy to romance her. It's just as she says: she wants to know what it's like because they're probably going to die. In a way, I think that's a really healthy outlook from her.
I disagree. I think she truly meant they could be family all those seasons ago & that easily could become love that they touched on in this scene. She just didn't have it in her to stay in one place & tend to that love so it could grow (especially after all the death & pain in her life & caused by her too). Did Nymeria not love Arya? I think she did. She just couldn't be tame.
Actually. When Jamie attacked Ned Stark in the streets of kings landing, they werent at war. War started the moment Robb refused Joffreys royal command and raised his army to march on Winterfell after Ned was imprisoned. Jamie commited a war crime by attacking Ned when they werent at war
He trying to get his brother back
I love this episode, this is the first episode where we have the majority of the characters together in one place, all of them waiting for the storm to come, it’s a veré nostalgic episode and one of my favorites.
Something to point out and I realize this while watching this reaction is how Daenerys says to Sansa “I wish I have that kind of faith from my advisors” I mean, you’ve had! She has sir Jorah and Grey worm, Missandai and she had Barriatan, I don’t know why the writers made her say something lika that…
Dany kind of forgot…
@@jcnom6606 classic Targaryen amnesia.
I interpreted it as a clear dig at Tyrion specifically
Next episode happens largely in the dark , I recommend you tweak your Brightness and Contrast settings or you will struggle to see whats going on.
They have said in streams that they have already watched the entire season so I thing that advise will go unnoticed 😅
The episode is fine. I had watched this on 2 different monitors and i had zero problems
@@veiregor The episode is not fine. But it has only little to do with brightness.
@@jg7u true 😂
For the night is dark and full of errors...
The song sung was Jenny of Oldstones. There’s strong theories that Rhaegar wrote it and it’s the song that brought Lyanna to tears at Harrenhaul
19:19 _"Theon defending Bran, whether or not it happens in the books, is a logical thing for the character trying to make up for some of the bad shit he did earlier."_
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The Brienne scene just brought up so much emotion that had been building up by that foreboding moment in the story. Brilliant timing!!
What's interesting about the prophecy is, it says the "Prince that was promised" not the "King". So i thunk that might have been a hint that he wouldn't take the iron throne, just that he was meant to save the world
im sorry but if i were dany i would have changed my hand, people (in universe) have too much sympathy for the mistakes tyrion has been making since season 6. Honestly it feels like d&d are trying to gaslight the audience into feeling like dany's anger towards tyrion's mistakes is unjustified, to try and push the "angry mad woman" into dany.
Yep. We get 2 crazy women in power this season and Sansa being the third also shows she can’t be trusted.
Tyrion should have been stripped of the title the moment they lost high garden and dorne in one fell swoop because of his utter incompetence
yea I mean logically Dany should have dumped Tyrion a long time ago but also I blame D & D for making Tyrion so dumb. You could have had her side take some Ls while not totally being cause of Tyrion. Tyrion suddenly trusting Cersei is just ridiculous and not in-character.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 oh yeah absolutely i agree, tyrion was a smart and cunning man in kings landing. D&d completely destroyed his character, and took away all his anger towards his family and especially cersei to turn him into a one dimensional fool. He never trusted cersei even when their relationship was more "cordial". Almost no character was spared from their terrible writing.
@@vbb2076 yea I mean the fun of Season 2 was seeing Tyrion as Hand out playing her at every turn. Cause he knows Cersei is a snake. All the smart characters turned dumb the moment GRRM's writing was not there anymore.
Now we know what Podrick did in the brothel that so impressed the working girls. His SINGING.
Jenny of Oldstones makes me cry every time I listen to it
Get ready and buckle up 😅. Make sure the room is dark and the tv brightness is turned up for the next episode. 😂
"glossed over" is the theme of this season
Dany reacted that why because remember in House of the Dragon : lords prefer Men on the Throne rather than Woman ( they wanted Aegon even though Rhaenyra was the heir)
Hate how Arya keeps trying to flex on everyone for no reason.
The scene with Brienne is one of my favorite of the whole series. She’s one of my favorite characters.
Sansa be like: you bring your armies and dragons and use them in the front line to fight the night king, but eat no food from the north,. then go south to kill my worse enemy and give us the North's independence cause we don't need you!
26:26 _"I know this scene made a fair few people uncomfortable, since they still saw Arya as a child. This is not helped by the show not giving a good sense of the passage of time. Tommen overtook Arya’s aging. Cersei’s been pregnant for how long now? So it’s incredibly unclear how old Arya’s supposed to be. Then there’s the fact that the last time Arya saw Gendry, she was unmistakably a child, and her crush on him was a child’s crush. The last information we got about Arya and romance, she was processing why she liked looking at him with his shirt off and why she wanted him to keep travelling with her. In the time they’ve spent apart, none of Arya’s development has even touched on her sexual maturity. The relationship went from the Westerosi equivalent of “he’s not my boyfriend! I just happen to be here every time he’s working in the forge shirtless!” to “let’s fuck in the courtyard” with only a few scenes of flirting to cover the gap. This is a case where a relationship picking up where it left off really could have used a little more work, I think."_
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It didn't miss the mark. This is GoT, obviously not a touchy feely series.. the sentimental moments we got here is way more than could have been expected.
Also after this episode aired, I remember " how old is Arya/Maisie Williams" trending online 😄 everyone was a little weirded out because yeah, we watched this chick grow up on screen. The shock reaction was kind of standard when this aired😄
8:46 _"Jaime informs Dany here, in open court, about the Iron Fleet and the 20k fresh troops. Let’s just keep track of people mentioning this sort of thing, hey?"_
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After I noticed this what happened next became even more senseless😭
Oh wow. Yep. 🤦🏼♀️
ah ha who is this Turtle Paced fella?
Because what? Dany would magically think they could javelin Rhaegal?
Truly ignorance of the Qybern pattern surface-to-air missile launchers was Danny’s downfall
did yall never catch the romance between arya and gendry?? It was so obvious to me that they were both so attached to each other-
Same. Though still awkward since we saw Arya grow up as a kid
@@Allaiya.and since the actors are 10 years apart in age.
This is hands down my favorite episode of the entire series! It’s so emotional 😭
I remember one of the most googled things after this episode aired was the age of Maise and Arya!! People still thought of her as a child and it shocked them.
Theon is my favorite character in this show. The character growth is amazing, the fact that you hate him when he first shows up and cry over him now is such good character writing!!
But also different times and circumstances.
You missed Arya catching looks at Gendry at Harrenhal. I had to stop myself pointing it out
So apparently you 2 are against incest when it comes to Jamie and Cersei, but see no problem when it is Dani and Jon.
The double standards of this fandom 😂
It’s a totally different experience to see this journey in about 6 months😳
27:36 _"Here’s where another *“oh god, another Tyrion party*” becomes the best scene in the episode and, for whatever it’s worth, probably the best scene in the entire season (even though I think it’s narratively important to Jaime’s arc that he recognises Brienne’s worth independent of the prompting he gets here; oh well never mind since his character arc’s going to be disintegrated it doesn’t matter, I’m glad we made something of his character while we had it). The acting and direction here show the lie of Brienne’s denial that she doesn’t even want to be a knight._
_"It’s also a nice touch that Brienne looks to Pod to see what he makes of this; after seasons of her berating him and kicking him around like a bloody football, it’s something that shows her affection for him. And I do like the choice to show the closeup of Jaime’s remaining flesh-and-blood hand on his sword. Chemistry between the actors, direction, music, all come together to get something genuine and emotional out of this moment even when the show’s stripped down all discussion of what it means to be a knight."_
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Just as well The Hound wasn't present, really... I'm sure he'd have had a few choice words about knights that would have put a bit of a damper on things!
10:38 Tyrion has been an absolute shit Hand to Dany since the very beginning. He never earned it in the first place. It was total contrivance by the show.
When Misandei told Grey Worm that she'd wanna go to Naath, he would die if he did. Naath island is full of poisonous butterflies from which only locals are inmune of.😂
Honestly with everything that Arya went through its a miracle nobody raped her.
34:57 i agree with spartan. it does make her to look one-dimentional.
the writers kinda forgot about how all dany wants is to have a family, peace and love. i refuse to believe that's the same book character who was having thoughts about giving up her crown to have a simple life with Daario, a man she doesn't even love. just for the sake of having a loving family.
there's so many times in the books where dany feels lonely and sad about being the last Targaryen and how she wishes she had a brother to protect her. when dany finds out about jon in the books, i can't think about any other reaction than her crying or smiling, it's all she ever wanted, not to be alone.
ive binge watched the first 7 seasons of your reactions in the last 3 weeks so you have been my daily watch....... The last 3 days have been a nightmare waiting for the next episode !!
Tip for the next episode: watch in complete darkness and put the brightness of your screens to max. :)
The symbol we saw at the Umbars was not the same as the symbol we saw in episode one. It was the same as the symbol that Mance Rayder and John came upon, made by bodies of horses, that spurred Mance on to tell his people to climb the wall and wait for his signal.
And still all the symbol meant nothing in the end
13:57 *_“[Tyrion] owns his [mistakes] and learns from them”_* _could also have been a pretty powerful argument…if it wasn’t contradicted by pretty much everything we’ve seen him do. Did I imagine him denying he’d made any mistakes in his handling of Meereen, back in season six? I don’t think I did… Incidentally, this is now dialogue exchange three between Dany and her advisors going over the point that Tyrion’s given some shitty advice. This is the most useful of the three, because it expresses the central problem and depicts one of the parties actually making a decision about how they’re going to handle it. It’s also the third goddamn time in under twenty minutes we’ve been over the same issue with more or less the same people in the same political context"_
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You also have to consider that without Danny there wouldn’t be any dragons born again, there wouldn’t be any ansolids and Dothrake fighting in winterfell! She’s the one who kinda brought house Targaryan back to life. To see that John is more worthy than her to the throne even if he doesn’t want it is so painful and unfair. That’s why I get Danny’s reaction.
Yeah those ansolids man.
Having fighting power doesn't mean you are a good ruler.
@@orphanedhanyou You just misunderstood the point. I said the reason they won against the knight king and his army was mainly because of Danny. Believe it or not!
Man these two are gonna go thru it during the end of this show lol. Great reaction as always!
Those scenes with Brienne being knighted and Pod singing, etc. = absolutely beautiful. In the end, say what you will about story choices & writing, but the actors & characters in this show are perfection. They give it life.
I disagree. This episode was great. One of the best in my opinion.
And I do not agree about your feeling on Dany and Jon. How should she have reacted? She was shocked and has believed forever that she is the last of her House. It was basically a bombshell for her.
It would have been bad writing if she just accepted it and was super happy about it.
11:59 Tyrion is EXACTLY the same. EXACTLY. He's just better at it, but he's a liar too. Also, the idea that Tyrion would buy Cersei's good faith is incredulous!
This was a nice episode relatively speaking but my big problem with it is that it takes up 1/6th of the final season. If this was a normal 10 episode season then it would be great. But it takes up too much time on character stuff imo when there is so much plot to get through in the last 4 episodes. Ideally, you would have a 10 episode season so you can have good character episodes like this without needing to condense and rush major plot stuff and/or rush other character arcs that happen in the next section of the season
brienne scene always make me cry, been a knight is all she ever wanted 🤍
Arya is 18 years of age in this episode though it still feels weird
Arya is 18 in the show and Gendry is 22 I believe. And as weird as that scene was, and how much it makes me uncomfortable(We've literally seen her grow up since the actress was 11, and the character was 12) I really like it. I think that Arya being someone who has always said f-u to societal norms of this world being someone who was able to choose when, where and with who she has her first time makes sense. Not many women in this world get to choose who they are with, and someone she trusts and cares about-Gendry, being her choice makes sense. She had a crush on him when they were little and now they are older and might die, I understand where her heads at.
You have it backwards: Arya was 11 at the start of the show. Maisie was hired at 12, but was 13 when the series began filming in July, 2010.
Arya’s little but she’s a grown ass woman 😭
It was a White Walker in GoT's opening scenes, not a wight. And they weren't "porcelain dolls" chopped up and laid in a pattern, it was dead Wildlings.
The girl was a wight.
Jon was raised as a Stark, so he is probably weirded out about sleeping with his aunt, you know?
Shouldn’t be a problem ( Starks are more inbred than you think)
This one is my favourite episode of season 8 ! I remember in the week after its release, I was pretty much frantic, making theories with my brother and my friends about which characters were about to die ; there are sooo many beloved characters being together in a very dangerous situation
And that aged rather interestingly.
and it was the last good one
32:28 _"Dany goes through the idea that the sources here are a little suspect. Thanks for applying some critical thinking! You’re in season eight, you don’t need it."_ 32:38 _"And Dany reacts with the political implications. Much like Sam did, and Bran as well. Much like Sansa will. There is no exploration of what this revelation means for Jon personally, nor any examination of what this tells us about Ned. Oh, and also, I’m just going to get the fire foam out, because Dany’s realised that this revelation may pose a serious threat to her goals, and clearly her dismay means that she’s one step closer to lighting major population centres on fire."_
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I mean Dany lost a dragon fighting against the wights and she's now in Winterfell risking her life... I get Sam's sadness towards his family (the again, how they treated him...) but when it counts, at least on this account, she's selfless.
The WW symbols don’t mean anything. D&D confirmed it. They just thought it looked cool. I remember so many people having theories on it, but it was basically pointless.
And after S8, I realized some of S7 scenes are now pointless as well since the topics are never picked back up or made no difference to the outcome.