I had never realized that Jones and Jimmy Page were friends. Towards the end, one of the few people to come visit Brian was Page. . .I thought that was a nice story, and a very nice thing of Page to do.
I attended a book signing by Bill Wyman in 2003 and he talked extensively about Brian and what led to his downfall. He seemed quite bitter on how he was treated by "certain members" of the band as their fame grew. It was Brian's band, he started and named the band and was then fired from it. Bill saw that as a betrayal. Bill said he was not in favor of firing Brian (neither was Charlie). Bill thought they could get him help so he could become "functional again". But the pressures of the business with record labels, managers, touring, etc. didn't give them the "luxury" of waiting to see if Brian could sober up. So the decision was made to fire him. A decision Bill said was "THE biggest mistake The Stones ever made. - well, up until that point" he joked. Yes, it's true Brian had his dependencies like so many did in those days, but as Bill told it, it was magnified by his sense that the band he started was slipping away from him. That he was losing any sort of say in band business. Bill said he was a "fragile human being" and combine the pressures of fame, drugs and a sense of losing the one thing in your life that really matters (his band) you've got a "ticking time bomb". Unfortunately for Brian - his bomb went off.
As for firing Brian, I think Mick and Keith used the excuse that Brian couldn't tour because he couldn't leave Britain because he had a drug bust which caused him to lose his visa. Maybe it was a valid excuse, who knows ...
In the end the main creators do become the band. If Brian had plenty of talent there would be no worries. Example: Separate Paul McCartney from the Beatles and you've still got a successful person. Remove Ringo and he's easily forgotten. Bands are ruled by talent, not those who have very limited amounts of it.
RIP Charlie Watts (June 2, 1941 - August 24, 2021), aged 80 And Brian Jones (February 28, 1942 - July 3, 1969), aged 27 You both will be remembered as legends
It's very easy to talk about a dead man that can't defend himself, how great. All ever Keith and Mick do is dismiss Brian as this idiot drug addict that thought drugs and alcohol 24/7. I remember George Harrison saying " there was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn't have cured. I don't think he had enough love and understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remembers that's what he was." Now if he was just talking nice about him or not, I don't know. At least he wasn't bad mouthing him, but talking about his good qualities.
Brian seems like a tragic figure, but I tend to believe Charlie, who wouldn't seem to have any reason to lie or even exaggerate. If you alienate enough people with your personality, you end up alone, and then you're a pretty easy target, as Brian eventually was for Mick and Keith. Also, it's hard to blame others (no matter how close they might be) for a drug/alcohol abuse problem and make the blame stick.
There you go again with your nonsense about a drug and alcohol problem which was highly overblown. Brian had such a problem drug? He managed to get free of the prescription drugs he self-medicated with by late 1968, at precisely the time Keith was becoming a full-blown junkie. You also assume the rest of them were a walk at the beach to deal with, particularly the Glimwits. I think not. There is no defense for how they abused Brian.There are credible accounts of how horribly Brian was treated! As for Charlie, his opinion has altered over the years, probably due in no small part to the fact he is on the payroll of Rolling Stones, Inc. Bill didn't do much for Brian while he was in the band. He has become much more outspoken about Brian's legacy now that he is no longer in the band. I've no doubt his book Stone Alone was vetted by the "office", read Jaggerini, before it was published. Hence the inclusion of a few timeworn damaging myths about the man who gave them all their.start. Disgraceful how they've been demonizing Brian who cannot speak for himself. not very sporting. They owe their careers and fortunes to that brilliant boy from Cheltenham. I will always give Brian the benefit of the doubt over the Glimwits who have ' relentlessly battered of Brian's legacy for almost half century Why? What are they hiding? They are not decent humans.
@The Lady Jones: It seems to be true that many Stones songs were "corporate" creations but that the Glimwits claimed sole credit and got all the money too. That's what Bill said in his book: "I never got any publishing." and That's why Brian died as broke as he did, owing money."
Fun fact: Jim Morrison had much more nicer things to say about Brian in a poem than Mick and Keith did here without ever knowing him personally. Jim knew talent when he saw it.
+monte61 Actually history shows that there still is a band called the Rolling Stones & Brian was a part of it for only about 7 years out of 53 together. He didn't put the band together by himself Mick, Keith joined up with Brian & Ian Stewart before there was a band.. A self proclaimed leader of a band is still only as important as the guys around him. And they were just a glorified cover band when they followed Brian's lead. When Mick & Keith started writing originals & the band became who they really are Brian faded into the back round. And they became even bigger without him.
Justin Williams Have you heard about the carpenter who admitted he killed Brian unintentionally! He hit Brian so he fainted and fell into the pool and just ran away! This Carpenter was dying in the 90s and confessed the "murder" on his death bed!
Yeas that's right! I was a bit insecure if it was a carpenter? But your right it was the minder! Brian didn't like Rolling Stones "Pop" songs that was why he left! Brian couldt write songs according to Keith Richard as you can hear!
Sometimes when people are not very nice its because they do not feel good about themself and it comes out in how they treat others its a way of projecting their pain.
I grew up with the Stones. Listened to all their music over the years. I have to conclude the Brian Jones years were the Stones' best. There is something hauntingly beautiful about it. At a time when The Beatles were dominating the charts, Brian Jones forged on. Giving the world a style that you are always drawn to. People don't give enough credit to the guy who created the Stone. Especially the Stones themselves. Very disconcerting to hear their comments. Makes them look like ingrates.
Charles Steenburgen ......I love Mick T but by dismissing Brian, you’re missing out on some damned good music, much of it their very *best* imo. You constantly denigrate Brian yet have obviously never even *listened* to the earlier material so your argument is completely biased and really rather nonsensical. I fail to see how you can compare the music of Brian’s time to later material if you’ve never heard even heard the earlier songs. The Stones haven’t had a memorable song in well over 40 years and have become greedy old men terrified to stop touring lest they be quickly forgotten. Brian on the other hand, will forever be remembered as a gifted young man whose instrumental contributions made the early songs so interesting and unique.
I thought it was stupid at how Keith presents himself as still bring around and Jones being gone all of these years. Keith looks like he died 50 years ago but I think all the drugs he's abused over the decades is what keeps his body animated. As good as Mick and Keith are, Brian Jones was much better than they.
RIP Brian Jones - Mr Rolling Stones. He was Mr Rolling stones and ,Charlie, don't you fucking know it. Enjoy dying old with Brian's killers.And their shit music- the same music you went along with all these years. RIP Brian Jones - Mr Rolling Stones.
They were cold to him. Acted like a bunch of high school mean girls. No one had the maturity or balls to get him help I guess. Plus they all wanted to keep riding the fame train and Brain was standing in the way of that. He probably haunts their azzes, lol. I would.
***** Well, this is where you are wrong..Brian never did smack. The heroin addicts in the group and inner circle were Keith Richard, Mick Taylor, Bobby Keyes, Marianne Faithfull and the other pig, Anita Pallenberg. Anita Pallenberg introduced them all to LSD. Brian drank and took Mandrax ( known in the US as Quaalude). This deadly combination severely impaired Brian's motor coordination. By the time he left London in November 1968 for the the comfort of his country estate in Sussex, he was totally off the prescription drugs. He was still drinking a bit, but he was on the mend and happy that he was away from The Glimmers. His death was no accidental drowning. He was murdered. God rest his soul. Brian did not deserve to die this way anymore than he deserved to be tormented by The Glimmers.
empressohno Trynka has updated his book. Since I didn't read the original, I'm not sure what he added. The new release is "Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones" I've gained much more insight into the group dynamics, Oldham's dislike of Brian and his role in edging him out of the group, and also the circumstances surrounding Brian's death. Mick and Keith are still blabbering nonsense about Brian. Even Wyman has contradicted quite a bit about what Keith says. Mick has no compunction about leaving Brian out entirely by saying in at least one video here on TH-cam "when we started the Stones". No, Mick, YOU did not start the Stones.
slimturnpike Brian’s biggest problem towards the end was his depression and paranoia. Not the drugs. But sadly people tend to just mention the drugs and alcohol - not the reason to why he took it.
Because people do their research....the Stones weren't the only ones who knew him....And there many anecdotes and stories from those other people that help tell the WHOLE story and not just Mick and Keefs version
+Merkabob _ Not true,none believers in 'Karma' just remain bewildered when it does catch up with them.I've seen it happen too many times to not believe.
mrchipster31 true! but if it "caught up with them" (which means the belief effected them) then they must have believed IN the idea of karma's existence in order for it to exist for them in the first place!
Stones were never the same with Brian gone. I'm not saying Brian was the only reason they were good, but they just changed a lot. They went on to perfect a signature sound and sell more records, but it became more formulaic IMO. I miss the wider range they had in the earlier Jones era. Everything from good R&B covers, to pop songs, to experimental sounds and albums. I miss that diversity and the unique character of the songs in that era. Sure, I'll jam to a song from exile or sticky fingers and enjoy it like anybody else, but then I always go back to the classics like "Under my Thumb," "Get off of my cloud," "Paint it Black". But even more than that, I miss the underrated gems like "Please go Home," the tasty slide songs like "Can't be Satisfied ( M. Waters Cover ), and the unique characteristics of "I am Waiting," "She's a Rainbow" etc. etc.
They weren't as good without him and I think they know it. They were great with their best guitarist ever, Mick Taylor. He quit at a Christmas party in 74' He didn't get credit he was due. Brian didn't either, except mainly by Billy
Agree. It wasn't all due to Brian, but the Stones' first-phase music is the most interesting. Lesser known songs like "Backstreet Girl" and "Take It Or Leave It" and covers like "That's How Strong My Love Is" and "Have Mercy." And ballads like "As Tears Go By." Another favorite of mine is "Play With Fire."
Nothing good to say? How about (despite his demons) Brian was an incredible multi-instrumentalist who started the damn band in the first place! BTW, my grandfather lived to be 94 and still looked younger than these guys!
Jeff Clement Understandable reasons for the consumption of gullible fans. We wouldn't want our sweet lil Keef to appear "immature" and "insecure" now would we fan boy. It's a fact that Ron Wood couldn't hold Brian Jones' or Mick Taylor's guitar stand.
Hmm. Nothing nice to say. For someone who was apparently so awful ,Mick certainly tried to emulate him. Reality is,without Brian Jones,they wouldn't be where they are today. Obviously they are always going to get asked about him,would be more dignified not to slag him off,the guy isn't around to defend himself or give his side of the story. No Jones, no Stones.
Keith tried to emulate him to in style of dress! But he couldn't no matter how he tried, he just couldn't carry it off in the style that Brian could. Also Brian was a superior musician to Keith at that time! What else can Keith play besides guitar? Maybe a little piano? Brian could play 30 different instruments. And when anyone looked at the band, everyone's eyes turned toward Brian. Not just because he was good looking or because of his blond hair, but for something the rest of them lacked, Charisma! Mick had it to some degree as front man, but not like Brian. So I'd say there was some major jealousy going on from the rest of them. Brian wasn't perfect by any means, no one is. But I agree that they shouldn't say bad things about him. It would be far better if they'd try and remember the good things about Brian, especially to fans, and they must have SOME good memories of him they could share instead of bashing him all the time.
@@rebeccahernandez3460 Is that why the Stones best albums came after Jones kicked the bucket? Mick and Keith made the Stones into the legends they are. Brian started the band, but Mick and Keith made them superstars with their songwriting
From what I've read, Charlie Watts is the only guy in The Rolling Stones that tried to help Brian Jones. Everyone else left him. I've also read that Mic Jagger and Keith Richards were very jealous of Brian. I've also read that Charlie Watts is pretty much the only friendly member of The Rolling Stones. interesting, eh?
@@aryalogo6624 its different once your not just playin every saturday night down at the local pub, once you go on tour and have to be in strange citys every night, then its a JOB, you have to be able to endure the rigors of that lifestyle DAY IN and DAY OUT, not so easy and Sir Mick said it well, the fame just did not suit him ( I tour for many years in china with band )
Maybe because they hat to put up with him and his wins, they are the experts. None of us knows what went on behind closed doors though we could all see it in print. 🐝
Brian Jones, was a very misunderstood person. His creativity and brilliant writing, was the main reason the band ever got started to begin with. Mick and Keith need to come clean, and get it off their chests. Can't you see Keith holding back something? Mick is just all business, and a better liar.
Don't know quite what you mean about Keith or Mick, but I always thought that Mick and Keith grew jealous of Brian's creativity and intelligence. How quickly they forgot about the early days when the Stones were Brian's creation. As I wrote under another video, I can remember several times in NYC when Mick and Keith would exit the limo very quickly and would just leave Brian by himself without even bothering to look back or acknowledge him. I felt very bad the way they were ignoring him. Brian just gave a little smile and kept his head down. It was obvious something was not quite right with the group.
Absolutely! Brian got all the attention and they didn't like that. Oh well, it is hard to ignore his blond beauty and his prodigious musical talent!. They treated Brian abysmally. He deserved so much better.
Kevin, do the Glimmers expect me to believe that Brian was incapable of composing? He wrote a brilliant score for the film A Touch of Murder that screened at Cannes in 1967. He wrote Ruby Tuesday and got NO credit from the Gruesome Twosome. How much more is he not credited for? A LOT according to many insiders. His electric slide guitar work was brilliant. No Expectations is breathtaking. Brian's musical vision took the Stone's recordings to another level. Bottom line, neither Mick nor Keith have the courage to accept and acknowledge the reality of Brian's genius. They are two very rich (and very ugly) cowards.
I'm sorry Brian was misunderstood. He certainly was complicated and struggled with so much inside. But Brian beat and put his hands on women. And being a "creative force" musically does not override that. Being so instrumental to the Stones does not excuse his abuse, particularly of women. I DON'T CARE how creative he was musically, historically. He beat women. And that overrides pop songs.
leave me alone Did you know Brian personally? Did you witness his alleged abuse towards women? No...of course not. You read this hearsay garbage in the sensationalist books that have been written about him. Brian has been in his grave for 45 years and is not here to defend himself. The only female who said he beat her was that bitch Anita and she was usually the instigator. She was known to wreck hotel rooms. I am friends with one of the women who bore him a son. She said Brian was "darling, a perfect gentleman and very sweet." I BELIEVE HER.
johnny fartpants ......it’s documented Brian was the *first* white musician to play slide-guitar (at which he excelled) in England, Brian was a fine guitarist. I’d say Keith is “mediocre at best” and he’s had 50+ years longer than Brian in which to practice.
@@lindadote Brian didn't ever really play lead though. Keith was often times forced to play it and he is not a lead guitar player. I can't comment too much on Jones skill, but it never struck me as prominent.
Brian Jones had serious drug issues which he had overcome by the time of his mysterious death in a swimming pool. He was the founder of the Rolling Stones and a peerless musician. Jones gave the Stones the 'dirty' sound they became so famous for. The Jones era saw the band produce some of their finest music.
I say each of the later versions had their virtues. With the exception of the period Keith called "World War III", there's plenty of good music in each incarnation. My favorite all-time Stones album, "Some Girls", was actually a response to some of those accusations of being outdated.
if this is what these three clowns can do by way of saying a few kind words for a fallen bandmate, i'd hate to hear/see what they would have to say about someone they clearly despised. secondly,.. Bill had nothing to add to this little video vignette? or was it that his "kind words" would not have jived with what these three were saying, and may have actually been KIND?
I think out of the Stones (originals) Bill and Charlie were the two most humble and down to earth. Bill has written about how bad he felt Brian was treated. However, Charlie, as you see above, doesn't have much good to say about him. So it's hard to tell. All we can take away is that he left us with his beautiful gift of music.
You really never can get any of the Stones to give him any credit. I would like for just once Keith or Mick say that Brian was most of their sound in the 60's.
It was his band. They undermined him. You can see what type of people they are slagging him off after he was dead. Charlie Watts dead eyes and expression. Chilling. And after their builder went swimming with Brian and he "drowned" - they started all this devil rubbish. Funny how karma works boys - right Mick. The grim reaper and judgement awaits.
+Konstantinopoljski Ya never know. Lots of times really good looking people are more self absorbed with image, instead of substance. This band got big from substance.
+Konstantinopoljski Well, envy is often a factor sure - but without question good looking people do NOT receive any more bullying than those who are not good looking. I have great experience with that, in my school many of the little nerd unattractive awkward kids were bullied as much or way more than i was. Plus i guess i missed the songs Brian wrote. But Mick and Keith seemed to have written most of their great tunes.
Brian was the more experimental musician in the band, while the others remained true to their version of roots music. You can tell by the sort of guitar players they worked with, after him. What also drove a wedge between him and Jagger and Richards was that he wasn't part of the songwriting. It must have felt like he lost his control over the band. Apart from this, they had to deal with sudden fame at a young age and obviously couldn't fully carry the responsibilities. Such a shame.
theres your reason.Brian didnt own that band. Control sounds like a good way to piss everyone else off in the band. and he seemed good at that. Once again I ask: what did Brian ever do after he was ousted. Nothing. Get over it.
Of course, nearly none of us here knew Brian so I won't judge him as a person, it seems pointless. All I know is the marimbas on 'Under My Thumb' are magic - ditto about the use of so many other exotic instruments he brought to recordings, and I praise him mightily for that
Just because you don't write the lyrics doesn't mean you don't write the songs or the music. Brian added the music to the songs. He added the stye of the song Iike with Paint it Black, Cloud, Under my Thumb, Last Time, Let Spend The Night and many others. Too many to name.
Keith & Mick provided the initial song sketches, but Brian took them to the next level. Aside from "coloring" the songs, he also contributed riffs (guitar in "The Last Time) and counter melodies (marimbas on "under My Thumb"). Other bands have co-credited members for much less. There is evidence to suggest that Keith and Brian wrote "Ruby Tuesday" but ALO decided on a clean sweep for the GT's and Brian was denied the credit. And in '67 he composed the soundtrack for "A Degree of Murder".
brian jones wrote songs. they wouldn't even try them. jagger and Richards pushed jones out of his own bane. jones was the stones. and it showed on everything they did after he was gone. they may have became more popular. but the music would never be as good.
I agree with you, i did hear soemthing about Brian did wrote a tune(or more?) and according from Keith and Mick told Brian 'no' they cannot try it because it did not fit for the band and that drowns BJ even more with the Stones, yes Brian was the Rolling Stones and is the image of the band and girls were looking at Brian more than Mick,, after his death in 1969 it was no more.
Billy gets irked about a placque in UK stating Mick and Keith did. He said untrue, Brian was their original founder and was actually more popular than Mick in the beginning.
Foxy..you are right about that! Mick talking about "fame"...he is such a monger...steals other people's ideas and passes them off as his own. Even the "tongue" logo was purloined from a painting Brian bought in 1967. Brian never had chance with this bunch of thugs. It's no wonder he melted down from the stress.
Holy crap! Brian bought a painting with the now famed tongue logo? If you're right then, wow, Mick and Kieth are assholes and Brian is the most productive member in his own band (despite what little he was doing in the time of his downfall). What the hell are those two doing putting down and brainwashing fans into thinking that Brian was just a useless man that stumbled on to their studio?
The Foxy grandpa Covering their track record of bullying and abusing a genius with a fragile psyche! Their behavior was, and still is appallingly callous. A true Rolling Stones fan, one who is aware that Brian was the FOUNDER of the band, would not think much of Jerk #1 and Jerk #2 if the real story was known.
The Foxy grandpa That Jones Person was useless and he bought no such painting...Micks Band and best with Mick Taylor,It’s only Rock and Roll but I like it and Brian who ?...
It's as if they cannot give Brian Jones any credit for his contribution to the band as a whole - like placing importance on Brian diminishes their own importance. They have survived and thrived as a band for nearly 50 years after his death, so you would think they could change their tune.
Yeah. And from the few comments you get out of Mick or Keith on Brian, it's like they see their own success in comparison to Brian as how they shouldered fame. Elsewhere, Mick has sort of brushed aside the Beatles saying they didn't do any of the big arena tours the Stones did in the 70s. From listening to interviews with Brian (and he often talks specifically about the weird newness of their fame) I really think he was dissatisfied musically with the Stones.... it wasn't just fame, it was that they were constantly moving away from the art. My guess is that's the resentment you get from Mick and Keith these years later. They know full well he'd look at their big shows or even just how long they've been doing the same thing over and over with some level of superiority. Even if Jones had survived, I can't imagine him making it base the 60s without going off on his own. He'd have recovered from the drugs and been a sensation elsewhere..... lots of talented people would have worked with him.
I think Charlie put it best. I love Brian and admire his genious - but from all I've read and heard about him from those who knew him - like Charlie - he wasn't very nice. Still wish he was here though. He was such a great musician. His former bandmates said that he could play any instrument, even an instrument he'd never seen before - he could figure out how to play it in just few minutes.
Margaret Tudor .. there are other where Charlie says that Brian got raw deal and what George Harrison said! George the most truthful of men! No bullshit!
my feelings are that bill and charlie cared about him and mick and keith didnt and bill and charlie were the only band members to go to his funeral so yeah
Well,,I met them when my family was involved in the go-kart track in Jersey 1964 ( I was working there) Brian was the only one with any manners, He was very friendly, he gave us free tickets for the show at spring-fields. My Mother cooked him egg and chips in the cafe :) The rest of them txxxx ( Bill was not there) You could feel a kind of animosity between them . Mick and Keith where cxxp drivers, :)
This is an a amazing story! I spent all of summers in New Jersey (originally from Philadelphia, a great music town!). and loved go-karting with my little brother. Which track did your family own?
HI yes interesting story, By the way it was in Jersey Channel Islands near the UK not USA I would also like to add that Jagger's kart broke down,and i drove a replacement out for him. It took seconds to fix the break down. I drove the kart back,and overtook Jagger He went ape shit and tried to collide and push me off the track They were such prats,that the airway they used ( I think it was Jersey European airways ) refused to fly them home. Bill was not at the track with them. Brian was very nice. The rest just trxxx Sir My foot.
***** You must be from Fishtown and a high school dropout, "Your" should be "you are"..so who's the twit now? And I said Philly is a great music town. What's wrong with that? Who was talking to you anyway? Butt out and let the adults have a cogent conversation..
They just cant stop shitting on him,its really appalling,he isn't here to defend himself. It is due to Brian they came to be in the Stones. Have a bit of decency & gratitude & give the guy the credit he deserves,for Christs sake. No Jones,no Stones.
Brian was very creative and a great musician, and without him the stones would never exist, but brian was also a very mean person and he could really be horrible, the things he did with women including anita pallenberg was just really horrible, and he was a drug addict and that was one of the reason he was set out of the band, he wasn't functioning as a musician and he didn't turned up on rehearsals of the band. And if you are a band and you want to be active and make records, everyone in the band has to put their energy in it. And at the time brian wasn't doing that anymore, and Mick & Keith were really hurt when Brian died, and for everyone who says Mick & Keith didn't cared about Brian need to read Mick & Keith's biography then you will find out the truth because who would know better than themselves?! The Stones were a great band with Brian Jones, and that he died on that way is really horrible, but The Stones are still a great band even without Brian they are still successful and they have fans from every country in the world so you can't say Mick, Keith, Charlie and Bill were not important for the band.
***** I'm rude and you are one who is slagging a man who is not here to defend himself? Have you ever asked yourself why the Glimmer Twins have made another career out of denigrating Brian's existence, influence and musical legacy? Greed, guilt over how they treated him? Brian founded the band, gave it shape and life, taught them everything he learned while they ran home to their mothers at night. Brian thought of them as his brothers. Keef and Mick were not angels, either. When Brian stumbled, they should have picked him up. Mental illness is no laughing matter. Brian was fragile and they exploited that fragility. As for that roll-in-the-gutter heroin addict Anita, she's the only woman who ever said he roughed up women. She gave as good as she got FIRST. Not one other woman Brian was involved with EVER said he was violent. He had six illegitimate kids so he got around. If not for Brian, Mick would still be the front man for Little Boy Blue & The Blue Boys and who knows where the others might be. I believe what George Harrison said about Brian: "He was a nice guy who just needed a little extra love and attention." So once again, NO Jones, NO Stones. And you are still an idiot.
empressohno ***** I'm a huge fan of the Stones with my whole hart, i really don't hate brian, i just have another opinion, everyone has another opinion! And that's okay, but don't say that people are idiots because they don't think the same way as you do. Just don't fight about those things, it's a waste of your precious time, you better spend it on listening to amazing & legendary music of the Stones.
The Stones would have never been what they became without any of the original members. I think we all understand that. If someone takes issue with the way that Brian was dismissed (ie, could they have done more to "save" him, etc), well, that's a very complicated matter that no one is informed enough on to know one way or another. What I think everyone should realize, though, is that the Stones did not decide to kick him out maliciously or spitefully. It was essentially a business decision. None of them could have known that he would die shortly thereafter, and none of them would have wanted such a fate for him.
I never said the others didn't play their roles in the band's development. Bill Wyman was on the fence in the early years. Mick and Keef wanted to get rid of him, too. Charlie kept his head down and went along with whatever they wanted. Brian was not a drug addict ..he wasn't sticking a needle in his arm like Keef and Anita and how many others in their inner circle. By 1968, Brian was not happy with the direction the music was taking. The systematic abuse of Brian by Mick, Keef and ALO has been well-documented by many in that inner circle. The more Brian was targeted and ridiculed by those three, the more he turned to drugs and alcohol for comfort. If they wanted him out of the band, they should have been man enough to confront him. Instead, they used his weakness and emotional fragility against him. As for Anita, she was one of the worst influences on Brian imaginable. She got him into S&M and LSD. Yes, the roughing up of each other was mutual. I, for one, am tired of Brian being demonized for "beating up women." The six women who bore him children have never had a word to say about him being violent and one of these women is a friend of mine. It's all sensationalistic claptrap about a man who isn't here to defend himself. Just for once, I'd like to read a post about Brian and the Stones that dealt only with the music and not his personal life. You are as guilty as the rest since you said he was "mean and horrible an did things to women"...that does not belong in a conversation about musical accomplishments. Good day.
I've always been struck by something Keith said about Brian towards the end, how Brian was better at talking about his plans than he was actually doing them.
It’s possible that Brian would be assessed for ADHD now. He was certainly someone that was constantly seeking dopamine. Sometimes ADHD masks as borderline PD or Bi-Polar.
He demonstrated some difficult to manage behaviour as a young person. The whole thing about having very creative ideas but not being able to put them into action die to executive dysfunction is classic ADHD type behaviour.
Charlie starts off THIS video saying Brian wasn't very nice and upset people very easily. And believe you me there are people besides the Stones who will tell you the same.
"...because I'm still 'ere." Yeah...because you're fucking immortal! Seriously, Keith Richards is only growing more powerful with every Highlander he kills.
they speak as if BRian deserved what happened that day ... and what we know today is that: 1 Brian was killed! 2 Brian was expelled from the group. As I see in the videos Brian was the creator of the STONE lifestyle, he simply did not follow the laws of the market ...
The fact that the beatles didn't seem to like to associate with meanies and brian played on their tracks leads me to assume he wasn't a bad dude like he's made out to be
Exactly- 50 years of revisionist history by Mick & Keith...lots of well respected musicians had good things to say about Brian...Paul McCartney,Ginger Baker,Eric Burdon,George Harrison,Mick Fleetwood,Pete Townshend,Dave Davies....
People are attracted to the 'tragic' aspect as well. They see in themselves the artist, life cut short and full of promise. There is a saying that dying really never hurt anyone's career. But for those left behind, it is devastating.
Well he tried to keep up with Taylor and failed there too. But what can I say, he's a millionaire who lives in a mansion, so as far as he's concerned, fuck me and fuck you lol. Thats the reality of it. Which makes it all the more a shitty ending - they're just a tribute band to themselves now, but still......they're the ones in the house at the top of the hill. Such is life, assholes win.
Charlie Watts has always been my favorite. He's a brilliant drummer, he's always done his own thing, he doesn't give a fuck about the rock-and-roll lifestyle, and if what you're saying is true, I'd believe it in a heartbeat. Now, I love Mick and Keith, but they come across as extremely self-protective. And that says a lot, to me.
"According to myself, my best friend didn't steal my boyfriend. My boyfriend and I were together for 5 years". Does it make sense??? I don't think so. That's pretty similar to what you just said about the Stones. Brian did found them and yes Mick and Keith were neighbours in their youth. Keith is by far my favourite Stone, but when it comes to Brian, he really sucks.
Ok, the guy had a serious chip on his shoulder, wich wasn't helped by the Andrew Oldham instigated Jagger/Richard power grab. Even a stable person would've had trouble having the Jagger/Richard axis to contend with, let alone this over sensitive Jones dude. Which also wasn't helped with Jagger/Richard seeing themselves as the Lennon/McCartney of the band with exclusive demand on songwriting and subsequent royalties. Them swimming in money while the others in *_the 'b a n d'_* had to scrounge for available funds. Jones'own fault ofcourse, Wyman tried to confront the issue while Jones & Watts lost heart.Maybe he should've left much earlier after they refused co writing credits for 'Ruby Tuesday' ....This gets my gall when we see Richards here on thousand Ytube videos eulogising *_the 'band'_*......
Jagger and Richards made the Stones the band it is. Without them there's no Stones. Face facts. The lead singers and songwriters are always the essential band. Generally Drummers and bassists and pianists etc can all be replaced. They are just players not creators. Unless of course they wrote a handful of songs too and do backing vocals. Like Elton John he writes sings and plays piano which is why he is the legend he is. Earnings are based on contribution which is fairer than fair.
I agree completely. I find myself constantly listening to the pre-Brian's-death Stones songs. All of the ones that I download are from that era. Great post.
Yeah, the whole meaning behind Zep's endless solos and volume seemed to be 'look how great we are.' They had no feeling for the blues other than as a platform for adolescent showing-off. Meaningless, endless posing.
Thanks for writing it anyway :). By the way, There is some music from Brian Jones which is either very hard to find, or has "disappeared". I have read that he recorded a song with John Lennon and somebody else as well, I think i was Hendrix. It must have been a masterpiece, they apparently called themselves "The Balls". But Brian's music has always been repressed...
wow this comment is 9 yrs old and dont know if your still monitoring your comments but brian jones and jimi hendrix recorded all along the watchtower together but the version that they recorded did not show up on the album by jimi hendrix and what happened to the lost track is anybodys guess.
Everyone in the band went through that shit, it's unbelievable all of them made it to this day. Really a shame about Brian, but some people, i just don't understand as I've lost a couple people close to Me by their own hands. I guess the rest of them just never thought it was ever going to end, and good of them.
@FlapJack2206 Mick in particular tried to help him out a lot for years. He even wrote a song about it "Shine a light". I'll quote. "You were drunk in an alley, with your clothes all torn. And your late night friends had left you, in the cold grey dawn. There's just too many flies around you. And I just can't brush them off". He's basically saying that Jones was surrounded by idiot hangers on, who corrupted him, and although he tried, Jagger couldn't get rid of them.
Why didnt they attend hes funeral that says alot about them dosnt how low if they couldnt evan do that for him to remember the guy whos band it was originaly R.I.P brian jones.
He upset people? Like when you guys shunned him and his reaction upset you? Is that what you mean Charlie? When you see a friend / colleague going down the road Keith is referring to, don't you try to help him? Instead they took what he created, called it their own and left him to die. As if those things wouldn't just speed up his "self destructive" behavior.
Oh they others are famous for their drug use too maybe it's only self destructive when other people do it or else since they lived it doesn't qualify. Maybe they just tell themselves that to cope with the loss too who knows.
@FlapJack2206 i agree with you. Brian was a difficult guy. and from what i have read Mick and Keith did try to help him to an extent, but you can't help somebody who doesn't want to be helped or doesn't realise they have a problem. Keith and Mick weren't heavily into drugs at the time of Brians death. they gave him chance after chance and Brian blew it. i'm sure they never thought the result would be Brians death. was it an accident, a coincidence, that he died days after being given the sack?
Gotta give it to Bill Wyman, he's the only one who has said that Brian was hugely important and hugely influential to the Stones. That if it wasn't for Brian there wouldn't have been a Stones and he wished Brian would've got that credit while he was still alive.
I like that Keith acknowledged that he was probably not the best guy to be saying how Brian was self-destructive, given his own past before and after the death. But he figured it out while Brian never did...which may have been his point.
its about time someone spoke the truth! at least mick and keith were always more then willing to credit the blues and RnB artist who they took their songs from, whereas page and plant had to get sued into giving willie dixon any credit for whole lotta love
I visited Brian's grave in Cheltenham a few years ago.....pretty quaint actually.....There's a nice bench directly across from it...we all come into the world the same and we all leave the world the same.....
There is something so forbiddingly cool about Brian Jones when you see the Stones play in the 1960s.I was once in a band & would of loved a musician who could add such depth(the riff in Last Time),xylophone on Under My Thumb,Sitar Paint it Black etc.He gave the songs flavour other than the freeze dried(no flavour) guitar solos of Mick Taylor. Jones came up with the main melody on Paint it Black,when he played that opening line on the sitar before it was composed but never got credit.
@thamusiceditor : you have got to say "this is just my opinion". Many other people think the opposite. Indeed I think the Stones with Mick Taylor were great, but the early Stones, with Brian, were magic.
I am a fan of the Stones since 1965. I’d play along with their LP recordings. They became mentors to me especially Brian; not only for his look but for his musical ability. I earned my chops in music and went on tour with my band. Playing when I can the Stones’s songs during that period. When Brian died I and the rest of the world were shocked. I continued playing the cuts the stones made especially when they continued churning them out. But the music changed. I didn’t know but learned later that the stones especially Keith and Mick pushed him out; the band he founded. I just recently 2?years ago found that out, I trashed every fu.k..g album after Jones died. So much for Mick and Keith they could take a running jump!!!
I bet Richards was in on the killing of Brian He did pull a knife on him just hours before his death Brian started and named The Rolling Stones He would have won the rights to it in any legal battle That would have killed both Richards and Jaggers careers STONE DEAD
so true...I always thought it odd that all the legal documents, the copyright to the name of the band, was Brian's....they wanted exclusive control of the name....funny how that all just fell into place with Brian's death, along with all legal papers showing otherwise.
Red Piper ......it’s documented that Keith pulled a knife on Brian the very day he “drowned”. I’ve always thought Brian’s untimely demise afforded the “Dimmers” the perfect (incredibly “coincidental” and oh-so-convenient) opportunity to take control of the Stones name without paying Brian a penny. The fact that it was never properly investigated only makes this case all the more tragic and shameful. Why the need for a 75 year seal on Brian’s file if everything was so above board? Someone got away with murder....
Interesting. This was the first time I noticed that Kieth has gnarled knuckles symptomatic of Rheumatoid Arthritis. God Bless him for continuing to play.
The pressures of being a star are intense. Mick, Keith, Charlie, Bill, and Ian Stewart could take it. Brian couldn't. Simple as that. If you can't function, it doesn't matter how talented you are.
There are other reasons why The Rolling Stones' sound changed at the end of the 1960's. It wasn't just because of the firing of Brian Jones and the arrival of Mick Taylor. Harder rock (from groups such as Cream & The Jimi Hendrix Experience, and the extended jamming of San Francisco groups) was finding favor with the public. Groups started bringing their own sound systems with them. Audiences stopped screaming and they started listening, especially to listen to musicians' "chops"(their technical abilities). Rock music started making its transition from the AM to FM airwaves, and the album became the main vehicle for rock music. The Stones made the transition from top 40 pop group to harder rocking album artists. And improvements in studio technology enabled rock music to be recorded louder. Mick Taylor had been inrroducing hard rock riffs on his final album with John Mayall, and The Stones wanted to introduce hard rock elements into their music too. In Mick Taylor, they found the right man for the job , a technically gifted guitarist, who could help The Stones go in a harder rocking direction. Even if Brian Jones had not had serious issues with mental illness, declining playing abilities and excessive drug intake, a convincing case could be made that Brian Jones could not go in the hard rock direction. I'm reminded of the explanatiion that Deep Purple keyboardist Jon Lord once gave for the firing of vocalist Rod Evans & bassist Nick Simper, 10 months into Deep Purple's career ."It wasn't so much a matter of wanting to fire them, as the group was moving in a direction that they couldn't follow. The group was moving towards a harder sound, and it didn't suit their style." Harder rock would not have been Brian Jones' forte.
George Harrison had this to say about Brian: "When I met him I liked him quite a lot. He was a good fellow, you know. I got to know him very well, I think, and I felt very close to him; you know how it is with some people, you feel for them, feel near to them. He was born on February 28, 1943 and I was born on February 25, 1943, and he was with Mick and Keith and I was with John and Paul in the groups, so there was a sort of understanding between the two of us. The positions were similar, and I often seemed to meet him in his times of trouble. There was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn't have cured. I don't think he had enough love or understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remember him like that because that's what he was."
Maybe but I think it would have taken more than that…too simplistic. This was a man who had been demonstrating anti social behaviour for years from when he was very young. We dont really know why, maybe his needs were not met in early childhood. He was certainly constantly seeking his dopamine fix in women and drug taking. He was needy and wanted attention. Must have been difficult to cope with him and be a young person with a burgeoning music career. Easier for George who did not have to rely on Brian to turn up for rehearsals, not be destructive, rude etc.
I heard he was a piece of shit, even his own ex bandmates say so. But, being a big ex drunk and junky myself I know how it changes you, maybe he was an ok guy
Interesting that he's been continually recognized for his contributions after all these years. Forty Licks opened up a whole new fan base as Hot Rocks did for my generation. I'm 49 years old. Sweet Innocent L'il Brian!
Talk about the man behind his back after he is dead. At least Bill Wyman didn't. Then again Bill stayed away when they threw Brian out of his own band because he disagreed.
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I had never realized that Jones and Jimmy Page were friends. Towards the end, one of the few people to come visit Brian was Page. . .I thought that was a nice story, and a very nice thing of Page to do.
That makes sense. Because Page and Jones are pretty shitty people.
Marshall Weber
How so? Especially Page, how is he a "shitty person"?
Marshall Weber Don't talk that way about me. pal
wasn't Brian trying to recruit Page for his new band?
ptl44
Don't know. I've never heard that, but that doesn't mean a thing, lol. That would be interesting.
I attended a book signing by Bill Wyman in 2003 and he talked extensively about Brian and what led to his downfall. He seemed quite bitter on how he was treated by "certain members" of the band as their fame grew. It was Brian's band, he started and named the band and was then fired from it. Bill saw that as a betrayal.
Bill said he was not in favor of firing Brian (neither was Charlie). Bill thought they could get him help so he could become "functional again". But the pressures of the business with record labels, managers, touring, etc. didn't give them the "luxury" of waiting to see if Brian could sober up. So the decision was made to fire him. A decision Bill said was "THE biggest mistake The Stones ever made. - well, up until that point" he joked.
Yes, it's true Brian had his dependencies like so many did in those days, but as Bill told it, it was magnified by his sense that the band he started was slipping away from him. That he was losing any sort of say in band business. Bill said he was a "fragile human being" and combine the pressures of fame, drugs and a sense of losing the one thing in your life that really matters (his band) you've got a "ticking time bomb". Unfortunately for Brian - his bomb went off.
As for firing Brian, I think Mick and Keith used the excuse that Brian couldn't tour because he couldn't leave Britain because he had a drug bust which caused him to lose his visa. Maybe it was a valid excuse, who knows ...
lindsey lefrois That visa was never applied for. More Glimmer bullshit...
In the end the main creators do become the band.
If Brian had plenty of talent there would be no worries.
Example: Separate Paul McCartney from the Beatles and you've still got a successful person.
Remove Ringo and he's easily forgotten. Bands are ruled by talent, not those who have very limited amounts of it.
+LastOfTheMaguas All the Beatles were successful after the break-up, including Ringo.
+lindsey lefrois oh sure , because George and Paul wrote him a song or 2, AND he chose not to kill himself
RIP Charlie Watts (June 2, 1941 - August 24, 2021), aged 80
And
Brian Jones (February 28, 1942 - July 3, 1969), aged 27
You both will be remembered as legends
I think Charlie tells it straight.
It's very easy to talk about a dead man that can't defend himself, how great. All ever Keith and Mick do is dismiss Brian as this idiot drug addict that thought drugs and alcohol 24/7. I remember George Harrison saying " there was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn't have cured. I don't think he had enough love and understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remembers that's what he was." Now if he was just talking nice about him or not, I don't know. At least he wasn't bad mouthing him, but talking about his good qualities.
Brian seems like a tragic figure, but I tend to believe Charlie, who wouldn't seem to have any reason to lie or even exaggerate. If you alienate enough people with your personality, you end up alone, and then you're a pretty easy target, as Brian eventually was for Mick and Keith. Also, it's hard to blame others (no matter how close they might be) for a drug/alcohol abuse problem and make the blame stick.
There you go again with your nonsense about a drug and alcohol problem which was highly overblown. Brian had such a problem drug? He managed to get free of the prescription drugs he self-medicated with by late 1968, at precisely the time Keith was becoming a full-blown junkie. You also assume the rest of them were a walk at the beach to deal with, particularly the Glimwits. I think not. There is no defense for how they abused Brian.There are credible accounts of how horribly Brian was treated! As for Charlie, his opinion has altered over the years, probably due in no small part to the fact he is on the payroll of Rolling Stones, Inc. Bill didn't do much for Brian while he was in the band. He has become much more outspoken about Brian's legacy now that he is no longer in the band. I've no doubt his book Stone Alone was vetted by the "office", read Jaggerini, before it was published. Hence the inclusion of a few timeworn damaging myths about the man who gave them all their.start. Disgraceful how they've been demonizing Brian who cannot speak for himself. not very sporting. They owe their careers and fortunes to that brilliant boy from Cheltenham. I will always give Brian the benefit of the doubt over the Glimwits who have ' relentlessly battered of Brian's legacy for almost half century Why? What are they hiding? They are not decent humans.
You talk as if you lived with Brian and knew him for a long time.
@The Lady Jones: It seems to be true that many Stones songs were "corporate" creations but that the Glimwits claimed sole credit and got all the money too. That's what Bill said in his book: "I never got any publishing." and That's why Brian died as broke as he did, owing money."
lindsey lefrois Brian was only alone within the Stones. Outside the band he was very well liked.
Fun fact: Jim Morrison had much more nicer things to say about Brian in a poem than Mick and Keith did here without ever knowing him personally. Jim knew talent when he saw it.
They didn’t even say anything that was that bad
@@barry1369 Keith was always being shady to Brian, Mick too 🥴
@@laanjoo they probably found him insufferable. Charlie said he could be extremely nasty to people
@@barry1369 He made them 😂🤣
@@laanjoo Wdym
Jones started the band and they still have to defame him after he's dead? Nothing nice to say about him? Bugger off, ingrates!
he died 50 years ago, he left the band because he couldn't hack it, and they didn't need him anyway. fuck brian jones.
Brain actually started the band ! No Brian no Stones !
+monte61 No Jones, No Stones... come on man that was a perfect opportunity
+monte61 Actually history shows that there still is a band called the Rolling Stones & Brian was a part of it for only about 7 years out of 53 together. He didn't put the band together by himself Mick, Keith joined up with Brian & Ian Stewart before there was a band.. A self proclaimed leader of a band is still only as important as the guys around him. And they were just a glorified cover band when they followed Brian's lead. When Mick & Keith started writing originals & the band became who they really are Brian faded into the back round. And they became even bigger without him.
Justin Williams Have you heard about the carpenter who admitted he killed Brian unintentionally! He hit Brian so he fainted and fell into the pool and just ran away! This Carpenter was dying in the 90s and confessed the "murder" on his death bed!
Justin Williams According to the mans family it iis? I cant see no reason why they should accuse their dad father or husband for this if it iwasnt?
Yeas that's right! I was a bit insecure if it was a carpenter? But your right it was the minder! Brian didn't like Rolling Stones "Pop" songs that was why he left! Brian couldt write songs according to Keith Richard as you can hear!
Sometimes when people are not very nice its because they do not feel good about themself and it comes out in how they treat others its a way of projecting their pain.
I grew up with the Stones. Listened to all their music over the years. I have to conclude the Brian Jones years were the Stones' best. There is something hauntingly beautiful about it. At a time when The Beatles were dominating the charts, Brian Jones forged on. Giving the world a style that you are always drawn to. People don't give enough credit to the guy who created the Stone. Especially the Stones themselves. Very disconcerting to hear their comments. Makes them look like ingrates.
Don Hiebert Nope..BEST WITH MICK TAYLOR
@@charlessteenburgen LOL
Don Hiebert You said it. 👍
Brian WHO????...MICK TAYLOR ONLY IN MY HOUSE
Charles Steenburgen ......I love Mick T but by dismissing Brian, you’re missing out on some damned good music, much of it their very *best* imo. You constantly denigrate Brian yet have obviously never even *listened* to the earlier material so your argument is completely biased and really rather nonsensical. I fail to see how you can compare the music of Brian’s time to later material if you’ve never heard even heard the earlier songs. The Stones haven’t had a memorable song in well over 40 years and have become greedy old men terrified to stop touring lest they be quickly forgotten. Brian on the other hand, will forever be remembered as a gifted young man whose instrumental contributions made the early songs so interesting and unique.
I thought it was stupid at how Keith presents himself as still bring around and Jones being gone all of these years. Keith looks like he died 50 years ago but I think all the drugs he's abused over the decades is what keeps his body animated. As good as Mick and Keith are, Brian Jones was much better than they.
RIP Brian Jones - Mr Rolling Stones.
He was Mr Rolling stones and ,Charlie, don't you fucking know it.
Enjoy dying old with Brian's killers.And their shit music- the same music you went along with all these years.
RIP Brian Jones - Mr Rolling Stones.
They were cold to him. Acted like a bunch of high school mean girls. No one had the maturity or balls to get him help I guess. Plus they all wanted to keep riding the fame train and Brain was standing in the way of that. He probably haunts their azzes, lol. I would.
***** Well, this is where you are wrong..Brian never did smack. The heroin addicts in the group and inner circle were Keith Richard, Mick Taylor, Bobby Keyes, Marianne Faithfull and the other pig, Anita Pallenberg. Anita Pallenberg introduced them all to LSD. Brian drank and took Mandrax ( known in the US as Quaalude). This deadly combination severely impaired Brian's motor coordination. By the time he left London in November 1968 for the the comfort of his country estate in Sussex, he was totally off the prescription drugs. He was still drinking a bit, but he was on the mend and happy that he was away from The Glimmers. His death was no accidental drowning. He was murdered. God rest his soul. Brian did not deserve to die this way anymore than he deserved to be tormented by The Glimmers.
empressohno Trynka has updated his book. Since I didn't read the original, I'm not sure what he added. The new release is "Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones" I've gained much more insight into the group dynamics, Oldham's dislike of Brian and his role in edging him out of the group, and also the circumstances surrounding Brian's death.
Mick and Keith are still blabbering nonsense about Brian. Even Wyman has contradicted quite a bit about what Keith says. Mick has no compunction about leaving Brian out entirely by saying in at least one video here on TH-cam "when we started the Stones". No, Mick, YOU did not start the Stones.
they were all on drugs at the time, no one could help anyone, it was a roll of the dice.
Stefane stefane you hear it from everyone who knew Brian, not just the Stones.
slimturnpike Brian’s biggest problem towards the end was his depression and paranoia. Not the drugs. But sadly people tend to just mention the drugs and alcohol - not the reason to why he took it.
I love how everyone on here comments like they actually knew Brian. The other stones knew him. None of you did
Because people do their research....the Stones weren't the only ones who knew him....And there many anecdotes and stories from those other people that help tell the WHOLE story and not just Mick and Keefs version
@@damonwillis3672 and theres many other people who back up their claim, that he was an asshole and by the end didnt care about contributing
No matter how bad he was give the man credit for marking the band
I knew Anita met her in jojouka
And John Dunbar
All very convenient to slag a dead man off. Especially when without him you'd all be nothing. Karma will have it's day.
Absolutely right. I'm not really in to bumper sticker wisdom,but karma's a real bitch when you are.
+Carolyn Campbell but the big surprise is that "Karma" only takes effect if you recognize it as having any.. !
+Merkabob _ Not true,none believers in 'Karma' just remain bewildered when it does catch up with them.I've seen it happen too many times to not believe.
mrchipster31 true! but if it "caught up with them" (which means the belief effected them) then they must have believed IN the idea of karma's existence in order for it to exist for them in the first place!
+Merkabob _ I see your logic.
Stones were never the same with Brian gone. I'm not saying Brian was the only reason they were good, but they just changed a lot. They went on to perfect a signature sound and sell more records, but it became more formulaic IMO. I miss the wider range they had in the earlier Jones era. Everything from good R&B covers, to pop songs, to experimental sounds and albums. I miss that diversity and the unique character of the songs in that era. Sure, I'll jam to a song from exile or sticky fingers and enjoy it like anybody else, but then I always go back to the classics like "Under my Thumb," "Get off of my cloud," "Paint it Black".
But even more than that, I miss the underrated gems like "Please go Home," the tasty slide songs like "Can't be Satisfied ( M. Waters Cover ), and the unique characteristics of "I am Waiting," "She's a Rainbow" etc. etc.
They weren't as good without him and I think they know it. They were great with their best guitarist ever, Mick Taylor. He quit at a Christmas party in 74' He didn't get credit he was due. Brian didn't either, except mainly by Billy
Agree. It wasn't all due to Brian, but the Stones' first-phase music is the most interesting. Lesser known songs like "Backstreet Girl" and "Take It Or Leave It" and covers like "That's How Strong My Love Is" and "Have Mercy." And ballads like "As Tears Go By." Another favorite of mine is "Play With Fire."
"Stones were never the same with Brian gone." - yes, they improved dramatically
@@mrsatire9475 Yes, in a more focused and one dimensional way. They've been basically making the same albums over and over ever since.
@@PhantomDruid Yes, they've been on a great run unmatched by anyone. Amazing
No Jones no Stones. Is all. Show sum respect ffs !
Yawn.
delusional.
Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main Street, Some Girls, Tattoo You?
Nothing good to say? How about (despite his demons) Brian was an incredible multi-instrumentalist who started the damn band in the first place!
BTW, my grandfather lived to be 94 and still looked younger than these guys!
Whatever happened to "Speak no ill of the dead?" And coming from this bunch, that's pretty rich.
brian was a symbol of the sixties and will always be remembered for that+ he will never grow old.
If it weren't for Brian there would be no Rolling stones period! He even gave them their name.
"No Jones, No Stones" man, it's as simple as that. Fuck these revisionist wannabes.
I agree with that. If not for this multi-talented musician, nobody would have ever heard of the Stones.
rigid Absolutely right on! Mick Taylor played better than Richards so they got rid of that cat too.
Jeff Clement Understandable reasons for the consumption of gullible fans. We wouldn't want our sweet lil Keef to appear "immature" and "insecure" now would we fan boy. It's a fact that Ron Wood couldn't hold Brian Jones' or Mick Taylor's guitar stand.
Amen. :-)
Mark Roberts agree with jones they made some of the greatest songs ever after nothing
Hmm. Nothing nice to say. For someone who was apparently so awful ,Mick certainly tried to emulate him. Reality is,without Brian Jones,they wouldn't be where they are today. Obviously they are always going to get asked about him,would be more dignified not to slag him off,the guy isn't around to defend himself or give his side of the story. No Jones, no Stones.
Max 820 i heard someone’s coming out with a Brian Jones documentary
@d gitalgravity Similar to Syd Barrett and Peter Green; the founder who got into addiction and apparently kicked out from the band.
Keith tried to emulate him to in style of dress! But he couldn't no matter how he tried, he just couldn't carry it off in the style that Brian could. Also Brian was a superior musician to Keith at that time! What else can Keith play besides guitar? Maybe a little piano? Brian could play 30 different instruments. And when anyone looked at the band, everyone's eyes turned toward Brian. Not just because he was good looking or because of his blond hair, but for something the rest of them lacked, Charisma! Mick had it to some degree as front man, but not like Brian. So I'd say there was some major jealousy going on from the rest of them. Brian wasn't perfect by any means, no one is. But I agree that they shouldn't say bad things about him. It would be far better if they'd try and remember the good things about Brian, especially to fans, and they must have SOME good memories of him they could share instead of bashing him all the time.
@@zackzallie8735 Both those guys receive credit. What about poor Danny Kirwan. Now that’s a real tragic story.
@@rebeccahernandez3460 Is that why the Stones best albums came after Jones kicked the bucket? Mick and Keith made the Stones into the legends they are. Brian started the band, but Mick and Keith made them superstars with their songwriting
From what I've read, Charlie Watts is the only guy in The Rolling Stones that tried to help Brian Jones. Everyone else left him. I've also read that Mic Jagger and Keith Richards were very jealous of Brian. I've also read that Charlie Watts is pretty much the only friendly member of The Rolling Stones. interesting, eh?
Its sad to see the others write Brian off so callously when he was the brains and hands that made it all work in the first place. RIP!
they are thiefs and guilty as sin
@@aryalogo6624 its different once your not just playin every saturday night down at the local pub, once you go on tour and have to be in strange citys every night, then its a JOB, you have to be able to endure the rigors of that lifestyle DAY IN and DAY OUT, not so easy and Sir Mick said it well, the fame just did not suit him ( I tour for many years in china with band )
Maybe because they hat to put up with him and his wins, they are the experts. None of us knows what went on behind closed doors though we could all see it in print. 🐝
@@amandadassonville4043 I think we underestimate celebs giant egos and each the desire to be on top. Its a sickness.
Brian Jones, was a very misunderstood person. His creativity and brilliant writing, was the main reason the band ever got started to begin with.
Mick and Keith need to come clean, and get it off their chests. Can't you see Keith holding back something? Mick is just all business, and a better liar.
Don't know quite what you mean about Keith or Mick, but I always thought that Mick and Keith grew jealous of Brian's creativity and intelligence. How quickly they forgot about the early days when the Stones were Brian's creation. As I wrote under another video, I can remember several times in NYC when Mick and Keith would exit the limo very quickly and would just leave Brian by himself without even bothering to look back or acknowledge him. I felt very bad the way they were ignoring him. Brian just gave a little smile and kept his head down. It was obvious something was not quite right with the group.
Absolutely! Brian got all the attention and they didn't like that. Oh well, it is hard to ignore his blond beauty and his prodigious musical talent!. They treated Brian abysmally. He deserved so much better.
Kevin, do the Glimmers expect me to believe that Brian was incapable of composing? He wrote a brilliant score for the film A Touch of Murder that screened at Cannes in 1967. He wrote Ruby Tuesday and got NO credit from the Gruesome Twosome. How much more is he not credited for? A LOT according to many insiders. His electric slide guitar work was brilliant. No Expectations is breathtaking. Brian's musical vision took the Stone's recordings to another level. Bottom line, neither Mick nor Keith have the courage to accept and acknowledge the reality of Brian's genius. They are two very rich (and very ugly) cowards.
I'm sorry Brian was misunderstood. He certainly was complicated and struggled with so much inside. But Brian beat and put his hands on women. And being a "creative force" musically does not override that. Being so instrumental to the Stones does not excuse his abuse, particularly of women. I DON'T CARE how creative he was musically, historically. He beat women. And that overrides pop songs.
leave me alone Did you know Brian personally? Did you witness his alleged abuse towards women? No...of course not. You read this hearsay garbage in the sensationalist books that have been written about him. Brian has been in his grave for 45 years and is not here to defend himself. The only female who said he beat her was that bitch Anita and she was usually the instigator. She was known to wreck hotel rooms. I am friends with one of the women who bore him a son. She said Brian was "darling, a perfect gentleman and very sweet." I BELIEVE HER.
BJ=Best Stone on instruments
Gram Parson Mick Taylor
Not On Guitar. He ewas mediocre at best.
johnny fartpants ......it’s documented Brian was the *first* white musician to play slide-guitar (at which he excelled) in England, Brian was a fine guitarist. I’d say Keith is “mediocre at best” and he’s had 50+ years longer than Brian in which to practice.
@@lindadote Brian didn't ever really play lead though. Keith was often times forced to play it and he is not a lead guitar player. I can't comment too much on Jones skill, but it never struck me as prominent.
Linda-I highly doubt he was the first white guy to pick up a slide in England. He was maybe the first one people noticed because he was famous
Brian Jones had serious drug issues which he had overcome by the time of his mysterious death in a swimming pool. He was the founder of the Rolling Stones and a peerless musician. Jones gave the Stones the 'dirty' sound they became so famous for. The Jones era saw the band produce some of their finest music.
@Monsieur Tarzan false
@Monsieur Tarzan nah I heard he was sober
@Monsieur Tarzan it's fixed evidence by dirty law enforcement
@Monsieur Tarzan doubt it 😘
@Monsieur Tarzan ...wrong!
I say each of the later versions had their virtues. With the exception of the period Keith called "World War III", there's plenty of good music in each incarnation. My favorite all-time Stones album, "Some Girls", was actually a response to some of those accusations of being outdated.
if this is what these three clowns can do by way of saying a few kind words for a fallen bandmate, i'd hate to hear/see what they would have to say about someone they clearly despised. secondly,.. Bill had nothing to add to this little video vignette? or was it that his "kind words" would not have jived with what these three were saying, and may have actually been KIND?
I think out of the Stones (originals) Bill and Charlie were the two most humble and down to earth. Bill has written about how bad he felt Brian was treated. However, Charlie, as you see above, doesn't have much good to say about him. So it's hard to tell. All we can take away is that he left us with his beautiful gift of music.
You really never can get any of the Stones to give him any credit. I would like for just once Keith or Mick say that Brian was most of their sound in the 60's.
How can you slag off the man who MADE YOUR CAREER ? Without him the Rolling Stones wouldn't exist.
And without Keith and Mick, Brian wouldn't exist.
It was his band. They undermined him. You can see what type of people they are slagging him off after he was dead. Charlie Watts dead eyes and expression. Chilling. And after their builder went swimming with Brian and he "drowned" - they started all this devil rubbish. Funny how karma works boys - right Mick. The grim reaper and judgement awaits.
You sure about that ?
Naah, just watch the interviews, Brian had lost it.
Frank L They knew him. You didn't.
+Konstantinopoljski Ya never know.
Lots of times really good looking people are more self absorbed with image, instead of substance. This band got big from substance.
+Konstantinopoljski Well, envy is often a factor sure - but without question good looking people do NOT receive any more bullying than those who are not good looking. I have great experience with that, in my school many of the little nerd unattractive awkward kids were bullied as much or way more than i was.
Plus i guess i missed the songs Brian wrote. But Mick and Keith seemed to have written most of their great tunes.
Brian was the more experimental musician in the band, while the others remained true to their version of roots music. You can tell by the sort of guitar players they worked with, after him. What also drove a wedge between him and Jagger and Richards was that he wasn't part of the songwriting. It must have felt like he lost his control over the band. Apart from this, they had to deal with sudden fame at a young age and obviously couldn't fully carry the responsibilities. Such a shame.
theres your reason.Brian didnt own that band. Control sounds like a good way to piss everyone else off in the band. and he seemed good at that. Once again I ask: what did Brian ever do after he was ousted. Nothing. Get over it.
Of course, nearly none of us here knew Brian so I won't judge him as a person, it seems pointless. All I know is the marimbas on 'Under My Thumb' are magic - ditto about the use of so many other exotic instruments he brought to recordings, and I praise him mightily for that
Just because you don't write the lyrics doesn't mean you don't write the songs or the music. Brian added the music to the songs. He added the stye of the song Iike with Paint it Black, Cloud, Under my Thumb, Last Time, Let Spend The Night and many others. Too many to name.
Keith & Mick provided the initial song sketches, but Brian took them to the next level. Aside from "coloring" the songs, he also contributed riffs (guitar in "The Last Time) and counter melodies (marimbas on "under My Thumb"). Other bands have co-credited members for much less. There is evidence to suggest that Keith and Brian wrote "Ruby Tuesday" but ALO decided on a clean sweep for the GT's and Brian was denied the credit. And in '67 he composed the soundtrack for "A Degree of Murder".
brian jones wrote songs. they wouldn't even try them. jagger and Richards pushed jones out of his own bane. jones was the stones. and it showed on everything they did after he was gone. they may have became more popular. but the music would never be as good.
I agree with you, i did hear soemthing about Brian did wrote a tune(or more?) and according from Keith and Mick told Brian 'no' they cannot try it because it did not fit for the band and that drowns BJ even more with the Stones, yes Brian was the Rolling Stones and is the image of the band and girls were looking at Brian more than Mick,, after his death in 1969 it was no more.
We still need to remember though, who actually started the band-Brian
Billy gets irked about a placque in UK stating Mick and Keith did.
He said untrue, Brian was their original founder and was actually more popular than Mick in the beginning.
True. But who is still rocking kin 2023? 🐝
Mick, fame suited Brian well until you and your friend started taking over THE CREATORS band all of the sudden
Foxy..you are right about that! Mick talking about "fame"...he is such a monger...steals other people's ideas and passes them off as his own. Even the "tongue" logo was purloined from a painting Brian bought in 1967. Brian never had chance with this bunch of thugs. It's no wonder he melted down from the stress.
Holy crap! Brian bought a painting with the now famed tongue logo? If you're right then, wow, Mick and Kieth are assholes and Brian is the most productive member in his own band (despite what little he was doing in the time of his downfall). What the hell are those two doing putting down and brainwashing fans into thinking that Brian was just a useless man that stumbled on to their studio?
The Foxy grandpa Covering their track record of bullying and abusing a genius with a fragile psyche! Their behavior was, and still is appallingly callous. A true Rolling Stones fan, one who is aware that Brian was the FOUNDER of the band, would not think much of Jerk #1 and Jerk #2 if the real story was known.
It was NEVER that Jones persons band..and the best thing they ever did was fire that asshole and bring in MICK TAYLOR
The Foxy grandpa That Jones Person was useless and he bought no such painting...Micks Band and best with Mick Taylor,It’s only Rock and Roll but I like it and Brian who ?...
It's as if they cannot give Brian Jones any credit for his contribution to the band as a whole - like placing importance on Brian diminishes their own importance. They have survived and thrived as a band for nearly 50 years after his death, so you would think they could change their tune.
Yeah. And from the few comments you get out of Mick or Keith on Brian, it's like they see their own success in comparison to Brian as how they shouldered fame. Elsewhere, Mick has sort of brushed aside the Beatles saying they didn't do any of the big arena tours the Stones did in the 70s. From listening to interviews with Brian (and he often talks specifically about the weird newness of their fame) I really think he was dissatisfied musically with the Stones.... it wasn't just fame, it was that they were constantly moving away from the art. My guess is that's the resentment you get from Mick and Keith these years later. They know full well he'd look at their big shows or even just how long they've been doing the same thing over and over with some level of superiority. Even if Jones had survived, I can't imagine him making it base the 60s without going off on his own. He'd have recovered from the drugs and been a sensation elsewhere..... lots of talented people would have worked with him.
I think Charlie put it best. I love Brian and admire his genious - but from all I've read and heard about him from those who knew him - like Charlie - he wasn't very nice. Still wish he was here though. He was such a great musician. His former bandmates said that he could play any instrument, even an instrument he'd never seen before - he could figure out how to play it in just few minutes.
+Margaret Tudor BJ =best stone between the legs of a woman
as if Keef and Mick are exemplar human beings, let's not forget how easy it is to defame the dead
So Brian's death wasn't an accident? That sounds so eerie
Margaret Tudor .. there are other where Charlie says that Brian got raw deal and what George Harrison said! George the most truthful of men! No bullshit!
Check the story about George Harrison lending Jones his sitar!!!
my feelings are that bill and charlie cared about him and mick and keith didnt and bill and charlie were the only band members to go to his funeral so yeah
Band's leadership competition is a major problem in music groups. It was convenient to blame Yoko Ono for the break up of The Beatles .
Well,,I met them when my family was involved in the go-kart track in Jersey 1964 ( I was working there) Brian was the only one with any manners, He was very friendly, he gave us free tickets for the show at spring-fields. My Mother cooked him egg and chips in the cafe :) The rest of them txxxx ( Bill was not there) You could feel a kind of animosity between them . Mick and Keith where cxxp drivers, :)
This is an a amazing story! I spent all of summers in New Jersey (originally from Philadelphia, a great music town!). and loved go-karting with my little brother. Which track did your family own?
HI yes interesting story, By the way it was in Jersey Channel Islands near the UK not USA
I would also like to add that Jagger's kart broke down,and i drove a replacement out for him. It took seconds to fix the break down.
I drove the kart back,and overtook Jagger
He went ape shit and tried to collide and push me off the track They were such prats,that the airway they used ( I think it was Jersey European airways ) refused to fly them home.
Bill was not at the track with them.
Brian was very nice. The rest just trxxx
Sir My foot.
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You must be from Fishtown and a high school dropout, "Your" should be "you are"..so who's the twit now? And I said Philly is a great music town. What's wrong with that? Who was talking to you anyway? Butt out and let the adults have a cogent conversation..
*****
Yes..insulting you and Fishtown...plonker.
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They just cant stop shitting on him,its really appalling,he isn't here to defend himself. It is due to Brian they came to be in the Stones. Have a bit of decency & gratitude & give the guy the credit he deserves,for Christs sake. No Jones,no Stones.
absolutely!!!! That says alot about these assholes...😒
They stole his girlfriend,they stole his money,they stole his band then they took his life O yes they did !
Maybe there's a lesson in there not to be a drunk asshole to everyone and maybe someone will say something nice once you're gone.
Brian was very creative and a great musician, and without him the stones would never exist, but brian was also a very mean person and he could really be horrible, the things he did with women including anita pallenberg was just really horrible, and he was a drug addict and that was one of the reason he was set out of the band, he wasn't functioning as a musician and he didn't turned up on rehearsals of the band. And if you are a band and you want to be active and make records, everyone in the band has to put their energy in it. And at the time brian wasn't doing that anymore, and Mick & Keith were really hurt when Brian died, and for everyone who says Mick & Keith didn't cared about Brian need to read Mick & Keith's biography then you will find out the truth because who would know better than themselves?! The Stones were a great band with Brian Jones, and that he died on that way is really horrible, but The Stones are still a great band even without Brian they are still successful and they have fans from every country in the world so you can't say Mick, Keith, Charlie and Bill were not important for the band.
No Jones, no Stones, you idiot.
***** I'm rude and you are one who is slagging a man who is not here to defend himself? Have you ever asked yourself why the Glimmer Twins have made another career out of denigrating Brian's existence, influence and musical legacy? Greed, guilt over how they treated him? Brian founded the band, gave it shape and life, taught them everything he learned while they ran home to their mothers at night. Brian thought of them as his brothers. Keef and Mick were not angels, either. When Brian stumbled, they should have picked him up. Mental illness is no laughing matter. Brian was fragile and they exploited that fragility. As for that roll-in-the-gutter heroin addict Anita, she's the only woman who ever said he roughed up women. She gave as good as she got FIRST. Not one other woman Brian was involved with EVER said he was violent. He had six illegitimate kids so he got around. If not for Brian, Mick would still be the front man for Little Boy Blue & The Blue Boys and who knows where the others might be. I believe what George Harrison said about Brian: "He was a nice guy who just needed a little extra love and attention." So once again, NO Jones, NO Stones. And you are still an idiot.
empressohno ***** I'm a huge fan of the Stones with my whole hart, i really don't hate brian, i just have another opinion, everyone has another opinion! And that's okay, but don't say that people are idiots because they don't think the same way as you do. Just don't fight about those things, it's a waste of your precious time, you better spend it on listening to amazing & legendary music of the Stones.
The Stones would have never been what they became without any of the original members. I think we all understand that. If someone takes issue with the way that Brian was dismissed (ie, could they have done more to "save" him, etc), well, that's a very complicated matter that no one is informed enough on to know one way or another. What I think everyone should realize, though, is that the Stones did not decide to kick him out maliciously or spitefully. It was essentially a business decision. None of them could have known that he would die shortly thereafter, and none of them would have wanted such a fate for him.
I never said the others didn't play their roles in the band's development. Bill Wyman was on the fence in the early years. Mick and Keef wanted to get rid of him, too. Charlie kept his head down and went along with whatever they wanted. Brian was not a drug addict ..he wasn't sticking a needle in his arm like Keef and Anita and how many others in their inner circle. By 1968, Brian was not happy with the direction the music was taking. The systematic abuse of Brian by Mick, Keef and ALO has been well-documented by many in that inner circle. The more Brian was targeted and ridiculed by those three, the more he turned to drugs and alcohol for comfort. If they wanted him out of the band, they should have been man enough to confront him. Instead, they used his weakness and emotional fragility against him. As for Anita, she was one of the worst influences on Brian imaginable. She got him into S&M and LSD. Yes, the roughing up of each other was mutual. I, for one, am tired of Brian being demonized for "beating up women." The six women who bore him children have never had a word to say about him being violent and one of these women is a friend of mine. It's all sensationalistic claptrap about a man who isn't here to defend himself. Just for once, I'd like to read a post about Brian and the Stones that dealt only with the music and not his personal life. You are as guilty as the rest since you said he was "mean and horrible an did things to women"...that does not belong in a conversation about musical accomplishments. Good day.
I've always been struck by something Keith said about Brian towards the end, how Brian was better at talking about his plans than he was actually doing them.
The source for this statement? Who did he say this to? When? Who wrote this down?
It’s possible that Brian would be assessed for ADHD now. He was certainly someone that was constantly seeking dopamine. Sometimes ADHD masks as borderline PD or Bi-Polar.
He demonstrated some difficult to manage behaviour as a young person. The whole thing about having very creative ideas but not being able to put them into action die to executive dysfunction is classic ADHD type behaviour.
Charlie starts off THIS video saying Brian wasn't very nice and upset people very easily. And believe you me there are people besides the Stones who will tell you the same.
Hey guys...He created the band, gave them the name, and gave them style...give him his fucking due!!!!
No Brian Jones created the band, he named the band. He hired Keith and Mick, then Bill, then Charlie to be a blues band. It was Brian's band.
No argument here.
Do a bit of research before you start spouting shite.....
Before you open up your mouth, learn about the origins of The Stones before you spew garbage, jerkweed
Never wrote a song...
Thanks for the clip. I think Brian's biggest blow was that he wasn't the songwriter so from being leader of the band he ended up as a sideman almost.
Bottom line, No Jones No Stones !!!
"...because I'm still 'ere." Yeah...because you're fucking immortal! Seriously, Keith Richards is only growing more powerful with every Highlander he kills.
they speak as if BRian deserved what happened that day ... and what we know today is that: 1 Brian was killed! 2 Brian was expelled from the group. As I see in the videos Brian was the creator of the STONE lifestyle, he simply did not follow the laws of the market ...
Brian Jones created something. Others took it away. Makes sense. Thanks.
That Jones person started nothing ..
@@charlessteenburgen oh he did,more than you!
richards and jagger not at brian's funeral ? stones have gone down a couple of points for me since i heard that
The years when Brian Jones was in the band was the best years in my opinion. Specially the years between 1966-68.
The fact that the beatles didn't seem to like to associate with meanies and brian played on their tracks leads me to assume he wasn't a bad dude like he's made out to be
Exactly- 50 years of revisionist history by Mick & Keith...lots of well respected musicians had good things to say about Brian...Paul McCartney,Ginger Baker,Eric Burdon,George Harrison,Mick Fleetwood,Pete Townshend,Dave Davies....
the beatles were led by the biggest meanie of them all.
exactly
People are attracted to the 'tragic' aspect as well. They see in themselves the artist, life cut short and full of promise. There is a saying that dying really never hurt anyone's career. But for those left behind, it is devastating.
There ought to be a law that requires subtitles on all videos of Keith Richards speaking.
His bowl cut was unsustainable... lol 🤣
Who thinks Keith Richards tried to become Brian Jones? but failed.
you're right, became 100 times bigger
Well he tried to keep up with Taylor and failed there too. But what can I say, he's a millionaire who lives in a mansion, so as far as he's concerned, fuck me and fuck you lol. Thats the reality of it. Which makes it all the more a shitty ending - they're just a tribute band to themselves now, but still......they're the ones in the house at the top of the hill. Such is life, assholes win.
Nobody.
you mean keith who wrote like all of there hits you tit
Angel P. YEAH ???WELL YOU KNOW THATS JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN...KEITH IS BETTER
Charlie Watts has always been my favorite. He's a brilliant drummer, he's always done his own thing, he doesn't give a fuck about the rock-and-roll lifestyle, and if what you're saying is true, I'd believe it in a heartbeat. Now, I love Mick and Keith, but they come across as extremely self-protective. And that says a lot, to me.
"According to myself, my best friend didn't steal my boyfriend. My boyfriend and I were together for 5 years".
Does it make sense??? I don't think so.
That's pretty similar to what you just said about the Stones.
Brian did found them and yes Mick and Keith were neighbours in their youth.
Keith is by far my favourite Stone, but when it comes to Brian, he really sucks.
you suck you are a joke oh yes Anita is your real name...get a life fool
Ok, the guy had a serious chip on his shoulder, wich wasn't helped by the Andrew Oldham instigated Jagger/Richard power grab. Even a stable person would've had trouble having the Jagger/Richard axis to contend with, let alone this over sensitive Jones dude. Which also wasn't helped with Jagger/Richard seeing themselves as the Lennon/McCartney of the band with exclusive demand on songwriting and subsequent royalties. Them swimming in money while the others in *_the 'b a n d'_* had to scrounge for available funds. Jones'own fault ofcourse, Wyman tried to confront the issue while Jones & Watts lost heart.Maybe he should've left much earlier after they refused co writing credits for 'Ruby Tuesday' ....This gets my gall when we see Richards here on thousand Ytube videos eulogising *_the 'band'_*......
Jagger and Richards made the Stones the band it is. Without them there's no Stones. Face facts. The lead singers and songwriters are always the essential band. Generally Drummers and bassists and pianists etc can all be replaced. They are just players not creators. Unless of course they wrote a handful of songs too and do backing vocals. Like Elton John he writes sings and plays piano which is why he is the legend he is. Earnings are based on contribution which is fairer than fair.
Excellent well said
I agree completely. I find myself constantly listening to the pre-Brian's-death Stones songs. All of the ones that I download are from that era.
Great post.
same
Yeah, the whole meaning behind Zep's endless solos and volume seemed to be 'look how great we are.' They had no feeling for the blues other than as a platform for adolescent showing-off. Meaningless, endless posing.
Damn that is a heartwarming tribute by Charlie. Gave me goosebumps.
he is a guy who takes his time to think, he is not glib
Thanks for writing it anyway :). By the way, There is some music from Brian Jones which is either very hard to find, or has "disappeared". I have read that he recorded a song with John Lennon and somebody else as well, I think i was Hendrix. It must have been a masterpiece, they apparently called themselves "The Balls". But Brian's music has always been repressed...
wow this comment is 9 yrs old and dont know if your still monitoring your comments but brian jones and jimi hendrix recorded all along the watchtower together but the version that they recorded did not show up on the album by jimi hendrix and what happened to the lost track is anybodys guess.
Everyone in the band went through that shit, it's unbelievable all of them made it to this day. Really a shame about Brian, but some people, i just don't understand as I've lost a couple people close to Me by their own hands.
I guess the rest of them just never thought it was ever going to end, and good of them.
@FlapJack2206
Mick in particular tried to help him out a lot for years. He even wrote a song about it "Shine a light".
I'll quote.
"You were drunk in an alley, with your clothes all torn. And your late night friends had left you, in the cold grey dawn. There's just too many flies around you. And I just can't brush them off".
He's basically saying that Jones was surrounded by idiot hangers on, who corrupted him, and although he tried, Jagger couldn't get rid of them.
Take's a lot of honesty and intelligence to say what Charlie said. Very easy to overly romanticise the dead.
We got to see what Mick and Keith thought of Brian when they did not attend his funeral.
Why didnt they attend hes funeral that says alot about them dosnt how low if they couldnt evan do that for him to remember the guy whos band it was originaly R.I.P brian jones.
Brian's parents asked them not to come cause they didn't want the pression of the fans.
I LOVED BRIAN HE WAS GREAT... MAY HE R.I.P. IN HEAVEN.... LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM...💞💞💞💞🎸🎸🌟⭐⭐🇨🇦
He upset people? Like when you guys shunned him and his reaction upset you? Is that what you mean Charlie? When you see a friend / colleague going down the road Keith is referring to, don't you try to help him? Instead they took what he created, called it their own and left him to die. As if those things wouldn't just speed up his "self destructive" behavior.
Oh they others are famous for their drug use too maybe it's only self destructive when other people do it or else since they lived it doesn't qualify. Maybe they just tell themselves that to cope with the loss too who knows.
The most valuable things written at a time Briana Jones. The rest of the Rolling Stones is mostly crap.
+Goran Drazic Who's Briana ?
@FlapJack2206
i agree with you. Brian was a difficult guy. and from what i have read Mick and Keith did try to help him to an extent, but you can't help somebody who doesn't want to be helped or doesn't realise they have a problem. Keith and Mick weren't heavily into drugs at the time of Brians death. they gave him chance after chance and Brian blew it. i'm sure they never thought the result would be Brians death. was it an accident, a coincidence, that he died days after being given the sack?
Brian Jones Is The Rolling Stones !!!
And The Rolling Stones Is Brian Jones !!!
That should be on tshirts.
Gotta give it to Bill Wyman, he's the only one who has said that Brian was hugely important and hugely influential to the Stones. That if it wasn't for Brian there wouldn't have been a Stones and he wished Brian would've got that credit while he was still alive.
"Including a heartwarming tribute by Charlie Watts"
LMHO :)
i just cant buy into the Charlie Watts myth either.
I like that Keith acknowledged that he was probably not the best guy to be saying how Brian was self-destructive, given his own past before and after the death. But he figured it out while Brian never did...which may have been his point.
Keith does it with a certain charm but I dunno he has demonstrated some fairly out there behaviour himself as you rightly say,
its about time someone spoke the truth! at least mick and keith were always more then willing to credit the blues and RnB artist who they took their songs from, whereas page and plant had to get sued into giving willie dixon any credit for whole lotta love
I'm fascinated with Keiths fingers they all twisted by arthiritis but he still manages to play guitar so well ... a legend
He's had arthritis problems since the 1960s, but I've read it dramatically affects his playing today, especially the duration.
@@fuchsiaswing8545it definitely does. He sits out on songs sometimes just to give them a rest
I visited Brian's grave in Cheltenham a few years ago.....pretty quaint actually.....There's a nice bench directly across from it...we all come into the world the same and we all leave the world the same.....
His birthday is tomorrow. What a loss of creativity we've endured.
There is something so forbiddingly cool about Brian Jones when you see the Stones play in the 1960s.I was once in a band & would of loved a musician who could add such depth(the riff in Last Time),xylophone on Under My Thumb,Sitar Paint it Black etc.He gave the songs flavour other than the freeze dried(no flavour) guitar solos of Mick Taylor. Jones came up with the main melody on Paint it Black,when he played that opening line on the sitar before it was composed but never got credit.
Brian.....Dont wanna say to much I will only say.... FUCKING LEGEND❤
@thamusiceditor : you have got to say "this is just my opinion".
Many other people think the opposite.
Indeed I think the Stones with Mick Taylor were great,
but the early Stones, with Brian, were magic.
You forget to say "it's just my opinion".
@@Methilde in fact it's not a my opinion.
@@GrandeCapo_PallaPesante So you're in contradiction with what you write above.
@@Methilde it's just your opinion.
@@GrandeCapo_PallaPesante It's a fact, not just my opinion.
The Stones kept Brian's influence and brought it to greater heights. If he were alive and in his right mind he would be joyful about that.
Totally agree.
I am a fan of the Stones since 1965. I’d play along with their LP recordings. They became mentors to me especially Brian; not only for his look but for his musical ability. I earned my chops in music and went on tour with my band. Playing when I can the Stones’s songs during that period. When Brian died I and the rest of the world were shocked. I continued playing the cuts the stones made especially when they continued churning them out. But the music changed. I didn’t know but learned later that the stones especially Keith and Mick pushed him out; the band he founded. I just recently 2?years ago found that out, I trashed every fu.k..g album after Jones died. So much for Mick and Keith they could take a running jump!!!
Mick Taylor was the best Mick they ever had.
I was a teenager during those years. The best albums the RS ever recorded was when Brian was playing!
I bet Richards was in on the killing of Brian
He did pull a knife on him just hours before his death
Brian started and named The Rolling Stones
He would have won the rights to it in any legal battle
That would have killed both Richards and Jaggers careers STONE DEAD
so true...I always thought it odd that all the legal documents, the copyright to the name of the band, was Brian's....they wanted exclusive control of the name....funny how that all just fell into place with Brian's death, along with all legal papers showing otherwise.
sherlock holmes and watson over here, case solved!! no, go and check out Jimmy Hoffa's
sherlock holmes and watson over here, case solved!! no, go and check out Jimmy Hoffa's
ObeyConsume Don't go about those murder conspiracies just yet
Red Piper ......it’s documented that Keith pulled a knife on Brian the very day he “drowned”. I’ve always thought Brian’s untimely demise afforded the “Dimmers” the perfect (incredibly “coincidental” and oh-so-convenient) opportunity to take control of the Stones name without paying Brian a penny. The fact that it was never properly investigated only makes this case all the more tragic and shameful. Why the need for a 75 year seal on Brian’s file if everything was so above board? Someone got away with murder....
Interesting. This was the first time I noticed that Kieth has gnarled knuckles symptomatic of Rheumatoid Arthritis. God Bless him for continuing to play.
The pressures of being a star are intense. Mick, Keith, Charlie, Bill, and Ian Stewart could take it. Brian couldn't. Simple as that. If you can't function, it doesn't matter how talented you are.
There are other reasons why The Rolling Stones' sound changed at the end of the 1960's. It wasn't just because of the firing of Brian Jones and the arrival of Mick Taylor. Harder rock (from groups such as Cream & The Jimi Hendrix Experience, and the extended jamming of San Francisco groups) was finding favor with the public. Groups started bringing their own sound systems with them. Audiences stopped screaming and they started listening, especially to listen to musicians' "chops"(their technical abilities). Rock music started making its transition from the AM to FM airwaves, and the album became the main vehicle for rock music. The Stones made the transition from top 40 pop group to harder rocking album artists. And improvements in studio technology enabled rock music to be recorded louder. Mick Taylor had been inrroducing hard rock riffs on his final album with John Mayall, and The Stones wanted to introduce hard rock elements into their music too. In Mick Taylor, they found the right man for the job , a technically gifted guitarist, who could help The Stones go in a harder rocking direction. Even if Brian Jones had not had serious issues with mental illness, declining playing abilities and excessive drug intake, a convincing case could be made that Brian Jones could not go in the hard rock direction. I'm reminded of the explanatiion that Deep Purple keyboardist Jon Lord once gave for the firing of vocalist Rod Evans & bassist Nick Simper, 10 months into Deep Purple's career ."It wasn't so much a matter of wanting to fire them, as the group was moving in a direction that they couldn't follow. The group was moving towards a harder sound, and it didn't suit their style." Harder rock would not have been Brian Jones' forte.
Of course it wouldn't suit Brian. He was too musical for hard rock.
George Harrison had this to say about Brian: "When I met him I liked him quite a lot. He was a good fellow, you know. I got to know him very well, I think, and I felt very close to him; you know how it is with some people, you feel for them, feel near to them. He was born on February 28, 1943 and I was born on February 25, 1943, and he was with Mick and Keith and I was with John and Paul in the groups, so there was a sort of understanding between the two of us. The positions were similar, and I often seemed to meet him in his times of trouble. There was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn't have cured. I don't think he had enough love or understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remember him like that because that's what he was."
Maybe but I think it would have taken more than that…too simplistic. This was a man who had been demonstrating anti social behaviour for years from when he was very young. We dont really know why, maybe his needs were not met in early childhood. He was certainly constantly seeking his dopamine fix in women and drug taking. He was needy and wanted attention. Must have been difficult to cope with him and be a young person with a burgeoning music career. Easier for George who did not have to rely on Brian to turn up for rehearsals, not be destructive, rude etc.
@@garethclark5489 Do you feel self righteous enough yet?
He was very talented. When people take a lot of drugs they don't always show their best side.
I heard he was a piece of shit, even his own ex bandmates say so. But, being a big ex drunk and junky myself I know how it changes you, maybe he was an ok guy
Interesting that he's been continually recognized for his contributions after all these years. Forty Licks opened up a whole new fan base as Hot Rocks did for my generation. I'm 49 years old. Sweet Innocent L'il Brian!
Talk about the man behind his back after he is dead. At least Bill Wyman didn't. Then again Bill stayed away when they threw Brian out of his own band because he disagreed.