I do remember hearing about a HOA who had a rule about planting plants in the ground not allowing it fining a person for it. So he bought a bunch of toilets and planted them in them placing them on his front yard as they didn't have any rules about what is a pot.
Oh HELL YES! I remember one about an HOA that refused to let a disabled Veteran have a flagpole. After checking the rules he had his entire house painted as a flag. It made the news. (Not just a 'I heard' story.)
I will never be ok submitting my rights, freedom and liberty to another human period. Its bad enough with the government. Why allow a private organization to take anymore form you? I don't understand people. Where I live these HOA's are everywhere.
@@alansmith4734 Worse. HOAs in some areas have enormous authority and can be very invasive and demanding. At their core they do serve a purpose, they can help the community/neighborhood house values up. But this core purpose quickly gives way to little hitlers taking over, people who either want access to the money or people who just like power, and little by little they get more and more authority rolled over to the HOA. They can dictate pretty much any aspect of the home you live in and pay for. And they can, in some places, demand money for crazy stuff, including exit fees when you sell your home. It's their 'cut' of the action of selling your house, something that normally is only legal for licensed realtors to collect.
Had an old lady in the neighborhood who left cat food out for feral cats. She hated dogs and used to give evil glares at people walking dogs on the sidewalk past her house. One night she yelled at my wife as she walked our dogs by. She screamed that it was dogs like ours that were pooping all over her yard. My wife pointed out that it was the coyotes and foxes that she was feeding that were crapping on her lawn. She said she left the food out for cats and there were no foxes or coyotes. My wife then pointed out the coyote that was in the process of eating the cat food and the fox that was waiting under a bush for the coyote to finish. The woman panicked and ran inside. She doesn't live there any more.
If someone came to my door proposing that, I'd tell them they could move themselves to where there already is an HOA, not to ruin some area that doesn't have one. It's getting harder and harder to find non HOA areas, right as more and more people are fed up with HOAs and want nothing to do with them.
@@crazycorpsman1391 I can see that in the Phils, but a semi rural neighborhood in unincorporated county where the houses were built 30 to 40 years ago? Not so much. This appears to have started when a developer cut down the nearby woods and squeezed in over 100 monopoly houses on lots roughly the size of my front yard. All the same 4 color options, same fences, I have seen military instillations less uniform.
Can they prove that she has fed the cats on every one of the 259 days they are charging her for? Unless they have evidence of this fact on every occasion I cannot see how they can fine her for them.
Maybe the -gestapo- HOA rules state that the burden of proof is on the individual home owner. It would not surprise from what I've heard about those entities...
@@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin That sounds great! Just accuse whoever is pushing this of feeding a bird every day for the last 5 years and let them prove they didn't. Then accuse them of feeding a rat every day...then a badger....eventually common sense has to come out, you can't burden the accused with proof...
@@marveloussoftware4914 She admitted to feeding them, but she did not admit to feeding them on all 259 days accused of. She was being vague, which might play in her favor.
HOA's are a joke. Anyone that buys or rents a home or condo with a HOA should boycott them. Laws need to be passed to allow the home owner to challenge the HOA and even sue them. Don't buy property that has a HOA. I live in a rural area and do what ever I want on my property. It's your right !
@@niyablake Same. I've been looking at places in Ohio and almost every place near developed area is all HOA's and expensive at that...even places that look like independent homes. You really have to go about 20+ miles outside the developed area to get rid of them, and even then, I've seen some stupid farmers take their massive land plots, break them into 5-10 acre estates and impose arbitrary covenants that are just as restricting. So no HOAs and no properties with covenants on the deeds, they are just as bad.
A condo WILL and must have an association as common areas, building structure, etc must be maintained and individual units aren’t able to do so as they don’t have authority to do so.
It seems to me that she might very well have read the rules when she bought the condo. The problem is HOAs add to the rules as time goes on, and they expect you to be bound by any new rule they dream up. But even if the rules were in place at time of her purchase, how is she supposed to realize that feeding a neighborhood cat means it is considered to be the same as keeping it as a pet? It is possible to feed an animal without it being your pet. Bird feeders come to mind.
Afaik, the rules as they were at the time off purchase are the rules in effect for the property. The HOA rules are contract law at the time of signing. Some contacts have a clause where the rules can be updated unilaterally. But I believe some courts have pushed back on that idea. A lawyer might know for certain.
To really own a pet that pet must be in your name (this may vary city to city). I work at an animal shelter and you must have some sort of record to claim that animal (i.e. Shot record, Tags, Licenses). Pictures alone will not due BUT if you alone are taking care of an animal for a certain period of time may qualify to be your pet (especially taking them to a vet as that point a name to that animal). So, talk to your city animal shelter to get details. According to at least where I live this lady would not be qualified as an owner as of now and possibly a cat in a Feral program which may be relocated if reported.
@@Fire-Manz In my country, to it to be really your pet (from legal standpoint) it has to have a passport and be chipped (altough that's wise and very preffered but not neccesary) and have medical records (shots, operations etc....)
@@someguy7629 Yeah, we do have the passport and chip as well but a vet record is enough if you want to claim your animal. There is a little more technicality but once we verify it's all set but if you have the license, passport, or chip it's a 100% yours. We actually had a few out of country cats and dogs. From sweden actually!
@Orden Just I have also heard of HOA's that went after someone for having a bird feeder in their yard. All it takes is for some Karen to decide it's YOUR fault that a bird pooped on her car.
I live in the UK and these HOA's seem to be a bane on American society. Who would give another person power to demand you keep your house and garden a certain way, and the ability to fine you exorbitant amounts of money for the simplest infraction, with no warning. Being the HOA's manager is a busybody Karen's wet dream!
Not really, if you're gonna pay a absurd amount of money to live in a nice fenced community. Who wants a bunch of stray cats and idiots as neighbors. I don't agree with hoa but I can see why people get upset.
Yes I have always thought it curious how so many rabid hardline "freedom loving" USAmericans, who already have to obey all Federal Laws, their State Laws and Local City/Municipality codes, CHOOSE to buy a house in an HOA area and sign up to heaps of EXTRA rules forcing them to paint their house certain colours, and only allow cars of certain models to park in their driveway (ie NOT vans and utes etc) at certain times of day, exactly how many inches high your front lawn grass must be etc etc. No way HOA !
@@mrdeleted In Australia, New Zealand and some other countries what Americans would call "pick-up-truck" is known as a "Utility" or often just "ute". Obviously popular with farmers, builders and trades workers etc. Only some have 4 wheel drive, the majority being rear 2 wheel drive. Further, v8 engines are less common, so smaller 4 cylinder and sometimes 6 cylinder vehicles are more common here. Many "utes" are Japanese (although nowadays many vehicles are made in Thailand and other Asian countries. Especially for the minority, Right hand drive market). The term "truck" is mostly used for the sort of vehicle in a heavier weight class which would need some kind of Heavy or Commercial vehicle driver's licence. Are you driving 'round in an old Ford F150 ? That's not a "truck" mate, it's just an old Ute ! cheerio
Had a woman on the condo board who fed stray cats for many years. Then they started damaging her screens and pooping in her garden, so she started enforcing the rule on the books that no one could feed animals outside. She would walk around with a mirror on a stick, follow the cats, or ask people to rat each other out several times a day. Don't know if the dozens of starving cats or the woman with a mission was the bigger nuisance.
The property management company is supposed to remove the cats to a shelter or a safe place. They are within the right to do it. Instead of wasting resources spying on homeowners.
I wondered the same thing! If the cats are the problem, why are they fining someone instead of removing the cats!? If the cats AREN'T a problem, why are they fining someone feeding a non-problem? At this point it boils down to because the rules say so. My solution is spending some of that $26,000 fine on figuring out WHO, EXACTLY is pushing this agenda and the guy who bashes that person's face off every Saturday until they stop being an ASSHOLE. - Feeding cats that are procreating and overrunning the neighborhood? No, you get fined. - One pair of cats that aren't multiplying and been here forever? Leave people alone!
This is something the Judge can rule on. If the contract she agreed to doesn't stipulate the penalties, she has a case. It's like a city demanding the death penalty for jay walking.
As I understand State Law, they can't back-date the Fines. Therefore, giving out a Fine for the 250 Days before the Fines started is ILLEGAL!!! They can use the preceding 250 Days as Evidence of CC&R Violations, but the first Fine they issue can't be more than $100.00 for the day of Fine Issuance...
Relocating community cats just means dropping them off in another neighborhood. I've got a friend that runs a non-profit rescue that focuses on TNR(trap, neuter, release), and helping injured and sick cats. The cats that can be put up for adoption are and the ones that don't have the right temperment are released back into the community. She has adoption events on a regular basis, but there aren't enough people to adopt all the cats that need homes.
They could find a farm or something that needs a couple of barn cats maybe. But it’s kind of lame letting your cats out on an island like that. Animals on islands aren’t afraid of large mammals so they just sit there. And the cats just kill for fun.
We had quite a few community cats many having kittens. We did the TNR for at least a half dozen and one walked in our door and never left. But we only have a few now and they are probably pets.
It is a tragedy that humans have become so irresponsible with both dogs and cats. All cats and dogs should be spayed and neutered. Those who have released them into the wild without doing this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No exceptions. It is becoming an epidemic, now.
"keeping and feeding animals not allowed" I am not keeping them, just feeding them so what is wrong? the key word here is AND... it didn't say keeping OR feeding... needs to get a good lawyer. also this is just a HOA being petty imo.
If I were this woman, I'd go to the next HOA Board Meeting and ask them "This has been going on for 10 years and no one has had a problem with it or talked to me about it...WHY NOW? What changed that suddenly makes this a problem?"
My parents moved into a retirement community a little over a year ago and had a house built. The entire community is under a HOA. While I wouldnt say they are butting heads, the HOA is vigilant. My parents had new plants installed and within a couple days, they were told the plants were not approved. Fortunately, the company that put them in is contracted with the HOA and admitted it was their mistake and replaced them for free. The reason the new plants were put in, was that the original plants had died and the HOA told them dead plants are not allowed. They dont mess around.
Selective enforcement won't apply because she is the only one seen feeding the cats. If others have been seen feeding the cats ,with nothing done against them, then she has a case.
cats kill our native endangered species, feeding feral animals is illegal in Hawaii. ... Toxoplasma gondii parasite. Toxoplasmosis results from infection with a common parasite found in cat feces and contaminated food. It can cause serious complications for pregnant women and people with weakened immune systems.
In all those years not one person on the HOA had the decency to call a rescue. This lady should take the stance that the board refused to do anything about the cats. It would be fitting if the cats found new homes, the condo grounds would be overrun with rats and snakes.
We have problems at the home improvement store i work at with mice. The cats that used to live outside of the store took care of most of them. A customer complained about the cats and the fact they were not fixed (like management wants to pay for cats that are not even in the store fixed) and they had to go. A customer took one and an employee took another.. not sure what happened to the kittens since they just disappeared. Of course the mice came back and now customers are complaining about the mice.
It's just like Steve said "well that won't happen to me" until it does. People have zero empathy to understand how something could happen to them and is happening to others. And on top of that, many are desperate to own a home and many places have TONS of HOA's.
BTW, I've lived in an HOA for 15 years. I read the rules prior to purchase, once I got to the section that stated that if it wasn't visible from the street it was acceptable (my house isn't visible from the street), I relaxed. Still, year one, when they asked for volunteers to be on the architectural control committee, I volunteered and have been on it ever since. Some of the previous board members were obnoxious in their enforcement ("your trim isn't the correct shade of white"), but I have been extremely accommodating of all but the most egregious violators.
@Peter Allen I am glad that YOU are a reasonable person Peter. Sadly it seems that all too often the Karen's and Chad's, (Personally I call them Richard, substitute the nickname and you'll get it, 'Don't be a D'), as you stated. These ones just feel entitled to run everyone's lives and the more miserable you are the happier they are. THEY seem to be in the majority. I sincerely hope it continues to work out for you. Have a great day.
@@Cheepchipsable Most HOAs are reasonable. It is far more common to have troublesome owners than HOA board members. You are probably one of those owners who think the rules don't apply to them, just other people.
@@Tugela60 Geez, you missed the sarcasm that was literally dripping from that reply. Likely the person posting the reply doesn't even own a home and if so doesn't live in an HOA. But, I admit, I could be wrong.
It wouldn't be cruelty considering that they ate feral cats and hawaii considers feral cats to be an evasive species that is endangering the protected birds in hawaii. Cats are the biggest predators besid3s humans on island right now.
If someone tells me to 'talk to their Lawyer' I am bound to contact that lawyer. If the person wants me to Stop Calling (or Contacting) him, doesn't he HAVE TO SUPPLY ME WITH AT LEAST THE LAWYERS NAME?
In the 80s my grandmother bought a small home in the Poconos. They had an hoa but only to pay for infrastructure. It was awesome you could ride atvs on the roads. But then someone got caught embezzling.
@@channellejames1393 Yes they should. That's selective enforcement, intimidation, and predatory. You're part of the prolem if you condone these disgusting rules and HOAs.
@@Eidolon1andOnly you sound crazy. I do not mind her having cats I just don’t want them on my property. Her feeding them with out taking ownership means that they are a problem for other neighbors. Her neighbors don’t want them peeing on their rugs or defecating in their vegetable gardens. People get tired of this. These cats kill birds and they themselves are pray for other animals. Her particle domestication of the cats makes it harder for them to make it own their own. She should take them in her home and make them pets or let them go.
@@Sachi52 You're the crazy sounding one. Those cats lived there a good 6 years before the old lady even bought a condo, and seemingly all the residents tolerated the cats just fine. Now you're making up dumb hypotheticals like the cats peeing on rugs and defecating in vegetable gardens? How are outdoor cats peeing on rugs, and who has a vegetable garden in a condo? Feeding the cats would eliminate the need for the cats to hunt for food, and they also hunt the invasive mouse and rat species. She also doesn't live at the condo, she rents her unit out, so bringing them into her own home is not an option. No I'd say disciplinary action by the HOA would make sense if it was within reason, such as maybe an added $20 per month to her fees, maybe even $50 a month, but $100 *per day* is outrageous. Not only that, be she wasn't even informed of such a fine until nearly $26,000 was already accrued.
Someone needs to release every stray dog, cat and llama they can find in that 'development'. I think public pressure can force the HOA nazis to be more reasonable.
Wait... a pet by definition is an animal that is being kept, but not intended for consumption. Do the condo rules forbid keeping livestock? If not, why not claim that you intend to eat them at some point? You don't have to actually do that... though you could regularly send invites to the board members for a cat-grill party. Just to freak them out.
We rented a condo in California and got a letter to have our balcony empty for renovations between certain dates. We complied, but the renovations never happened, so about a month after the specified dates, we moved our patio furniture back out to the balcony. Some lady came by shortly after and didn't ask, but sternly told me to get my stuff off the balcony. I told her we had it emptied when they asked and that time has passed. She said we had to empty the balcony so the workers could renovate it. I told her that was not my problem and slammed the door on her face 😄 There were no signs if any work even remotely near my balcony. A MONTH later, when I saw work near my building, I talked to one of the workers and asked him when he was going to start on my balcony so I could clear it for him. He said it wasn't a problem and he would let me know if he needed me to clear it. From what I recall, they just said as long as we didn't have anything heavy like a grill or table on the balcony, it was fine. We just had a couple of fold up chairs and a small hibachi, so we just put them in our storage closet.
This lady may very well go on feeding those cats until the day she dies. The jackwangs at the HOA will try to get the money by placing a Lein on her property before it can be sold.
There is a vacuum effect, if these two cats are removed, others will move into the area to fill the vacuum. Removing the cats will NOT resolve the problem. These cats were probably spayed and/or neutered. Some Condo Karen needs a hobby. I need to find out who she is to help her with her fines and fees. I applaud her for caring for these feral cats. I do the same thing as in, I feed and shelter feral cats who live in the neighborhood.
Makes you wonder if the courts said it is animal cruelty if they stop feeding them why the HOA is not required to follow all local laws and prohibited from overriding the laws.
This lady just needs to find a doctor who is willing to certify these cats are essential for her emotional and/or psychological wellness. Emotional support, or companion animals are the bane of HOA prohibitions everywhere.
I refuse to live in an HOA. If I didn't need high-speed internet for work I'd be living in a rural place with acreage and not even having to deal with zoning.
There's 5G internet and starlink in the sticks now. You can also setup your own point to point high speed link for not that much money these days if you can see a place that has high speed available from where you are. The trick is to be outside of, but not too far away from the zoning!
I'm wondering how the HOA looks into the backyard of the tenant for violations? Perhaps there is no privacy fence around the back yard? Perhaps the food is placed in a common area? What about bird feeders?
I know or do nothing , they are only good for nothing they just command you to fix you front yard . Don’t live the trash cans on the side of the house you can see it from the streets. Lol how funny and phony this people are the neighbors next and front of us don’t put away they trash cans you can see them from the streets
My dad and his 2nd wife liven in a condo on Clearwater Beach, Florida for many years after his retirements and the condo rules did not permit any pet even gold fish.
Would an HOA rule that has not been enforced for extended amounts of time fall into desuetude and become unenforceable at that point like laws/ordinances?
It's Hawaii so you cannot relocate cats without some way to adopt or keep them out of the ecosystem, since they are devastating to the native birds, and the HOA rules are likely some kind of reflection of that. There's literally no way she can if she chooses to go to court.
@@boataxe4605 Still though, feeding them is encouraging the population to grow unless you are exclusively feeding sterile cats. By feeding them, you are only creating more problem for the future. Would you make the same argument about feeding a wolf or bobcat population?
@@boataxe4605 That's not how cats work. They hunt when they're bored. They hunt for fun. This is part of why domesticated cats are so devastating to bird populations.
I purchased a home without reading the HOA Bylaws/Rules. After reading them much later I found a section where they determined that you could not sell your property to anyone of Oriental descent. Clearly un-Constitutional. That alone could probably defeat the entire HOA Bylaws in a court of law.
HOA's of all shapes and sizes, established for any reason, ought be illegal. Period. I lived in one previously, it was a good one and all was fine and well. Never had an issue with it. I still stand by my previous statement. They, by default, infringe your right to pursuit of happiness, and people agree to let them. That is insane to me.
I want to know if any of the other residents have bird feeders or if there are flowers planted by residents that bees feed off of and whether or not those offenders have been fined. Also, maybe people are feeding raccoons and rodents when they put their trash out on trash day. They should be fined also.
My family took a vacation on Kauai, and there were stray cats and chickens all over the island. These are probably 2 strays that people who used to live in that condo fed.
I like the lady for fighting. I have domesticated one feral cat after three years of feeding him outside and him finally letting me pet him. He stays inside my place now 90% of the time and goes out for few hours at night and returns. My dilemma is that I am moving to a new house. I will take him, but I can’t let him out in the new place as he will prolly not return. Damn. Tough.
The 10% outside ... the cat went from neighbour to Neighbour meowing so mournfully making you think it wasn't being fed but was just a con job. Ask me how I know.
@@ScubaSteveCanada LOL, no need to ask since I know about cats and their habits. Cats that like to be outdoors are often 2-timers and 3-timers etc. Cats are expert foragers and know how to beg by turning on their charm. It's not a criticism of cats just an informed observation. Also, this is why it is critical to make sure they are spayed or neutered.
@DM DM That required a lot of patience and my hat is off to you for the excellent work. It is next to impossible to domesticate feral cats. One thing to keep in mind, since he is mostly inside, it is OK to move him and you should. If the opposite were true, it would not be OK to move him. It will take a lot more patience, on your part, to keep him inside 100% of the time.
I took in and still have 2 "strays". Both came to me with serious medical issues, one that was starving to death because of painful growths in his mouth, and another who ended up yet again as the loser of a catfight. Both are now "velcro cats" and the cuddliest critters I ever had. It was just recently, in fact, that #2 would actually come near me, let me pick him up, and even stay on my lap without one hand/arm holding him in place. And he was an "inside cat" for a year and a half at least. And nope, neither one is ever going outside again. People drive like douchebags, and that's why cats keep "disappearing" around here.
If you feed the cat outside then continue to do so at the new place. Use the same containers and the same food. Also, if the cat is attached to you then take an old T-shirt and/or socks with your scent on it (wear it all day) and place these items on the porch near the food bowls. Even if the cat goes missing, continue to replace the clothes items with ones you've worn all day and put fresh water out but no food in the food bowl. The cat will eventually return, smelling your scent and seeing the familiar food n water bowls. It will hang around the area expecting food. You can then bring it back inside when it shows up wanting food.
I addition to reading the rules before purchasing read the last year of board meeting minutes and check the financials of the association. The minutes will let you know if there are problems. You could be buying the unit next to the problem occupant. You can also see if the board is just plain nuts and if they are planning special assessments to pay for improvements/repairs. Looking over the financials for the HOA will let you see if they have the necessary funds to make repairs without special assessments.
If there is an HOA rule in the books, that at some point violates state law, is that HOA rule enforceable? I remember hearing about a case a few years back where a homeowner let their lawn die in California during a drought when the state began limiting water usage through some sort of emergency order. The HOA began levying fines for the non maintenance of the lawn. I recall the homeowner took the HOA to court and won in this situation. I'm unfamiliar with animal cruelty laws where this woman lives, but if she stopped feeding the cats could animal cruelty charges be brought up against her? If so, then by abiding by the HOA rules the lack of feeding the animals would be a criminal act. Does a cessation of feeding community cats amount to an act of animal cruelty? And is a HOA rule, that violates state law, enforceable? The public spotlight does tend to change things...an update on this story will be interesting.
Maybe, but I doubt it. I'm more interested about what happens when HOA rules force members through penalty into unlawful activity. I don't know what local statutes and laws are applicable to that area.
HOA governing boards are frequently staffed by retired people who have the time and the desire to drive around making a list of people who’s grass is an inch too high, etc. We have a couple of people like that in my coop, but fortunately here in NH people that can’t mind their own business are frowned upon.
At least the one I lived at did. They had linked AC to every flat on the floor as well as bathroom and kitchen venting that linked to every apartment above and below. And it was and old apartment so they just kind of banned stuff rather than update the entire system to be more isolated or contained at least 🤷♂️. Probably woulda been super expensive
Just no HOA. There are several stray cats that depend on me. I don't want to do without them. There is no way I would abandon them. I did ask the local shelter, and they said they had no room. I'm retired, and I get about 1,300 per month. That fine would have me living homeless on the streets.
@@joshuagibson2520 Tell me about it. I'n retired. I wish I had the income to get a vet to look in on them. I get about $1,000 per month. One of the cats has a broken back leg, and another has 1/2 of his back right foot and part of his tail missing.
@@StarSong936 Most areas have at least one free/low cost clinic. I just brought home my 7th earlier today after having him 'chipped, clipped & dipped' and checked out. (He wandered in about 4 months ago and other folks told me he'd been seen several miles away even longer than that.) The county subsidized part of the cost & services were done at a low cost clinic that specializes in TNR (trap, neuter, release) services. Call around - there will be someone to assist you to help those poor kitties.
One problem is those that are very vague or highly subjective back during the 2008 election, there was an HOA that fined multiple residents for violating the rules of posting offensive or obscene signs. Turns out it was because those people were voting for McCain. Plenty of Obama signs that got not notices. Multiple members of the HOA board found that offensive. A lawsuit was filed, but I do not know the results.
I do remember hearing about a HOA who had a rule about planting plants in the ground not allowing it fining a person for it. So he bought a bunch of toilets and planted them in them placing them on his front yard as they didn't have any rules about what is a pot.
What a rebel.
That's a crappy idea
Oh HELL YES! I remember one about an HOA that refused to let a disabled Veteran have a flagpole. After checking the rules he had his entire house painted as a flag. It made the news. (Not just a 'I heard' story.)
Sweet,Sweet revenge. I hate HOAs' they should be outlawed.
Gonna savor this one.. 😆
I will never buy a home in an HOA. It's that simple. They don't all start out bad, but they all end up bad.
I heard of one, once, that didn't.
Sounds like HOA = Marriage!? =P
I will never be ok submitting my rights, freedom and liberty to another human period. Its bad enough with the government. Why allow a private organization to take anymore form you? I don't understand people. Where I live these HOA's are everywhere.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@@alansmith4734 Worse. HOAs in some areas have enormous authority and can be very invasive and demanding. At their core they do serve a purpose, they can help the community/neighborhood house values up. But this core purpose quickly gives way to little hitlers taking over, people who either want access to the money or people who just like power, and little by little they get more and more authority rolled over to the HOA. They can dictate pretty much any aspect of the home you live in and pay for. And they can, in some places, demand money for crazy stuff, including exit fees when you sell your home. It's their 'cut' of the action of selling your house, something that normally is only legal for licensed realtors to collect.
"I'm not feeding cats, they are just eating food I leave out"
I'm not feeding cats im feeding opossums
@@contradictorycrow4327 i'm air drying kibble for future consumption
@@contradictorycrow4327 new jerky recipe
Anti freeze works good.
"...and I'm not on the phone, I'm releasing animal control on the feral cats."
badass 73 year old women dont take shit from nobody
Had an old lady in the neighborhood who left cat food out for feral cats. She hated dogs and used to give evil glares at people walking dogs on the sidewalk past her house. One night she yelled at my wife as she walked our dogs by. She screamed that it was dogs like ours that were pooping all over her yard. My wife pointed out that it was the coyotes and foxes that she was feeding that were crapping on her lawn. She said she left the food out for cats and there were no foxes or coyotes. My wife then pointed out the coyote that was in the process of eating the cat food and the fox that was waiting under a bush for the coyote to finish. The woman panicked and ran inside. She doesn't live there any more.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to figure out who is feeding the old lady! If you stop feeding her, she will move away and stop feeding the cats! 🤣😆
This is even worse than the usual proliferation of feral cats when someone feeds them routinely.
@@joesterling4299 this is better because they eat all the feral cats.
@@hicknopunk omg, that’s awful. Awful funny 😆
In my old neighborhood someone is pushing for the neighborhood to organize an HOA. It is not going well for them.
If someone came to my door proposing that, I'd tell them they could move themselves to where there already is an HOA, not to ruin some area that doesn't have one. It's getting harder and harder to find non HOA areas, right as more and more people are fed up with HOAs and want nothing to do with them.
@@crazycorpsman1391 I can see that in the Phils, but a semi rural neighborhood in unincorporated county where the houses were built 30 to 40 years ago? Not so much. This appears to have started when a developer cut down the nearby woods and squeezed in over 100 monopoly houses on lots roughly the size of my front yard. All the same 4 color options, same fences, I have seen military instillations less uniform.
Can they prove that she has fed the cats on every one of the 259 days they are charging her for? Unless they have evidence of this fact on every occasion I cannot see how they can fine her for them.
Maybe the -gestapo- HOA rules state that the burden of proof is on the individual home owner. It would not surprise from what I've heard about those entities...
@@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin That sounds great! Just accuse whoever is pushing this of feeding a bird every day for the last 5 years and let them prove they didn't. Then accuse them of feeding a rat every day...then a badger....eventually common sense has to come out, you can't burden the accused with proof...
It sounds like the lady admitted to feeding the cats every day.
@@marveloussoftware4914 She admitted to feeding them, but she did not admit to feeding them on all 259 days accused of. She was being vague, which might play in her favor.
@@Jonathanizer I hope so. Its sad when people have nothing better to do than attack an old lady feeding cats.
The selective enforcement part of this will likely get the fines thrown out by the court.
This is like having a bird feeder and the same birds keep coming around.
Originally there must have been four cats, Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice …
HOA's are a joke. Anyone that buys or rents a home or condo with a HOA should boycott them. Laws need to be passed to allow the home owner to challenge the HOA and even sue them.
Don't buy property that has a HOA. I live in a rural area and do what ever I want on my property. It's your right !
IKR anyone buying in a condo/HOA is a dummy and should learn the hard way.
@@vaikjsf34a problem with that is some states it's becomes exceptionally hard. I was shocked to see how many neighborhood were hoa in Alabama
@@niyablake Same. I've been looking at places in Ohio and almost every place near developed area is all HOA's and expensive at that...even places that look like independent homes. You really have to go about 20+ miles outside the developed area to get rid of them, and even then, I've seen some stupid farmers take their massive land plots, break them into 5-10 acre estates and impose arbitrary covenants that are just as restricting. So no HOAs and no properties with covenants on the deeds, they are just as bad.
A condo WILL and must have an association as common areas, building structure, etc must be maintained and individual units aren’t able to do so as they don’t have authority to do so.
It seems to me that she might very well have read the rules when she bought the condo. The problem is HOAs add to the rules as time goes on, and they expect you to be bound by any new rule they dream up. But even if the rules were in place at time of her purchase, how is she supposed to realize that feeding a neighborhood cat means it is considered to be the same as keeping it as a pet? It is possible to feed an animal without it being your pet. Bird feeders come to mind.
Afaik, the rules as they were at the time off purchase are the rules in effect for the property. The HOA rules are contract law at the time of signing. Some contacts have a clause where the rules can be updated unilaterally. But I believe some courts have pushed back on that idea. A lawyer might know for certain.
To really own a pet that pet must be in your name (this may vary city to city). I work at an animal shelter and you must have some sort of record to claim that animal (i.e. Shot record, Tags, Licenses). Pictures alone will not due BUT if you alone are taking care of an animal for a certain period of time may qualify to be your pet (especially taking them to a vet as that point a name to that animal).
So, talk to your city animal shelter to get details. According to at least where I live this lady would not be qualified as an owner as of now and possibly a cat in a Feral program which may be relocated if reported.
@@Fire-Manz In my country, to it to be really your pet (from legal standpoint) it has to have a passport and be chipped (altough that's wise and very preffered but not neccesary) and have medical records (shots, operations etc....)
@@someguy7629 Yeah, we do have the passport and chip as well but a vet record is enough if you want to claim your animal. There is a little more technicality but once we verify it's all set but if you have the license, passport, or chip it's a 100% yours.
We actually had a few out of country cats and dogs. From sweden actually!
@Orden Just I have also heard of HOA's that went after someone for having a bird feeder in their yard. All it takes is for some Karen to decide it's YOUR fault that a bird pooped on her car.
"Bob and Carol." Reference to the old Bob Newhart Show. And they're probably best to call them feral cats, not wild cats.
Or there were originally 4 cats: Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice …
@@gordonshumway7239 Were they tasty?
@@timmick6911 Mmmmm …
They sound more like stray cats…
I live in the UK and these HOA's seem to be a bane on American society. Who would give another person power to demand you keep your house and garden a certain way, and the ability to fine you exorbitant amounts of money for the simplest infraction, with no warning. Being the HOA's manager is a busybody Karen's wet dream!
Not really, if you're gonna pay a absurd amount of money to live in a nice fenced community. Who wants a bunch of stray cats and idiots as neighbors. I don't agree with hoa but I can see why people get upset.
Its for karens that want to live in a rich paradise that want to be able to complain if a neighbor messes up.
Yes I have always thought it curious how so many rabid hardline "freedom loving" USAmericans, who already have to obey all Federal Laws, their State Laws and Local City/Municipality codes, CHOOSE to buy a house in an HOA area and sign up to heaps of EXTRA rules forcing them to paint their house certain colours, and only allow cars of certain models to park in their driveway (ie NOT vans and utes etc) at certain times of day, exactly how many inches high your front lawn grass must be etc etc. No way HOA !
@@KiwiCatherineJemma im assuming the answer is a truck but what the heck is a ute?
@@mrdeleted In Australia, New Zealand and some other countries what Americans would call "pick-up-truck" is known as a "Utility" or often just "ute". Obviously popular with farmers, builders and trades workers etc. Only some have 4 wheel drive, the majority being rear 2 wheel drive. Further, v8 engines are less common, so smaller 4 cylinder and sometimes 6 cylinder vehicles are more common here. Many "utes" are Japanese (although nowadays many vehicles are made in Thailand and other Asian countries. Especially for the minority, Right hand drive market). The term "truck" is mostly used for the sort of vehicle in a heavier weight class which would need some kind of Heavy or Commercial vehicle driver's licence. Are you driving 'round in an old Ford F150 ? That's not a "truck" mate, it's just an old Ute ! cheerio
I have rescinded a home purchase in the past when I found out not only the HOA details but the measure of their fines.
I have a problem with anybody telling me what I can and can’t do with my own property. Kudos to her for standing up for her rights.
Being part of an HOA is a voluntary contract. Don't like it, don't join one.
Can't imagine even wanting to buy a house that has this nonsense attached to it.
She never had the right.
Who regulates HOA's? Where's Ted and Alice? As you said why is she being fined and no one before her if they have been there for years?
Her name is "KAREN", and her husband is "DARRON"...
Pathetic…. Who willingly moves into this crap??
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Dang. She must really love cats.
she must hate the native Hawaiian animals.
@@M167A1 Or the HOA is going to find some limberger cheese stuffed up their car's exhausT. Or, something more creative...
that would be an ideal case for jury nullification if it went to a jury. lol
Had a woman on the condo board who fed stray cats for many years. Then they started damaging her screens and pooping in her garden, so she started enforcing the rule on the books that no one could feed animals outside. She would walk around with a mirror on a stick, follow the cats, or ask people to rat each other out several times a day. Don't know if the dozens of starving cats or the woman with a mission was the bigger nuisance.
It's actually against the law to relocate a feral cat. That would be cruel
Who says that?
What law and where is that at?
@@james4582 agree, ordinances are local…
I wonder if they're sending out fines to everybody with a bird feeder
The property management company is supposed to remove the cats to a shelter or a safe place. They are within the right to do it. Instead of wasting resources spying on homeowners.
I wondered the same thing! If the cats are the problem, why are they fining someone instead of removing the cats!?
If the cats AREN'T a problem, why are they fining someone feeding a non-problem? At this point it boils down to because the rules say so.
My solution is spending some of that $26,000 fine on figuring out WHO, EXACTLY is pushing this agenda and the guy who bashes that person's face off every Saturday until they stop being an ASSHOLE.
- Feeding cats that are procreating and overrunning the neighborhood? No, you get fined.
- One pair of cats that aren't multiplying and been here forever? Leave people alone!
26,000 seems like it’s extortion and way to much
This is something the Judge can rule on. If the contract she agreed to doesn't stipulate the penalties, she has a case. It's like a city demanding the death penalty for jay walking.
the fact that she has been allowed to openly feed the cats for that long automatically changes the terms of her contract
As I understand State Law, they can't back-date the Fines. Therefore, giving out a Fine for the 250 Days before the Fines started is ILLEGAL!!!
They can use the preceding 250 Days as Evidence of CC&R Violations, but the first Fine they issue can't be more than $100.00 for the day of Fine Issuance...
@@domfer2540 Well eventually they will get a court order to pay the fine, and if she can't pay they would probably seize her property.
Relocating community cats just means dropping them off in another neighborhood. I've got a friend that runs a non-profit rescue that focuses on TNR(trap, neuter, release), and helping injured and sick cats. The cats that can be put up for adoption are and the ones that don't have the right temperment are released back into the community. She has adoption events on a regular basis, but there aren't enough people to adopt all the cats that need homes.
They could find a farm or something that needs a couple of barn cats maybe. But it’s kind of lame letting your cats out on an island like that. Animals on islands aren’t afraid of large mammals so they just sit there. And the cats just kill for fun.
My sister traps, gets them fixed and realeases them where she trapped them
Feral cats need to be euthanized or put in a shelter.
We had quite a few community cats many having kittens. We did the TNR for at least a half dozen and one walked in our door and never left. But we only have a few now and they are probably pets.
It is a tragedy that humans have become so irresponsible with both dogs and cats. All cats and dogs should be spayed and neutered. Those who have released them into the wild without doing this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No exceptions. It is becoming an epidemic, now.
I have a Tom cat that shows up every morning and evening for food. I keep dry food just for him…lol
You should also put out water for the cat at the same time.
I bought him his own water/food bowls , water is almost more important to cats than food.
Ben is leaning up against the front of the Tucker
"keeping and feeding animals not allowed"
I am not keeping them, just feeding them so what is wrong?
the key word here is AND... it didn't say keeping OR feeding... needs to get a good lawyer.
also this is just a HOA being petty imo.
If I were this woman, I'd go to the next HOA Board Meeting and ask them
"This has been going on for 10 years and no one has had a problem with it or talked to me about it...WHY NOW? What changed that suddenly makes this a problem?"
don't worry... there will be one asshat on the board that says "I wasn't here then"... and it will be that moment you find the local nanny.
Exactly. That is a basis on which to challenge how a Board enforces a rule.
Most likely, either 1) the board changed, or 2) someone complained to the board. That doesn't mean they can't enforce the rules.
Cats probably started pissing on someones property.
I'm anti hoa, but cats are invasive to Hawaii & cause a lot of damage to the natural wildlife (is my understanding)
My parents moved into a retirement community a little over a year ago and had a house built. The entire community is under a HOA. While I wouldnt say they are butting heads, the HOA is vigilant. My parents had new plants installed and within a couple days, they were told the plants were not approved. Fortunately, the company that put them in is contracted with the HOA and admitted it was their mistake and replaced them for free. The reason the new plants were put in, was that the original plants had died and the HOA told them dead plants are not allowed. They dont mess around.
She should charge the HOA for for the food she is feeding the squatters. The HOA hasn’t removed from the property.
No one asked her to feed them, the opposite in fact.
I wonder if the selective enforcement argument will hold water.
Selective enforcement won't apply because she is the only one seen feeding the cats. If others have been seen feeding the cats ,with nothing done against them, then she has a case.
HOA has failed to take into consideration the effect of the cats controlling the rodent population.
@@groofromtheup5719 Not particularly. Unhealthy cats aren't good hunters.
@@groofromtheup5719 They will go for the easy food.
Food on plate, or chasing something all over the place...hmm
cats kill our native endangered species, feeding feral animals is illegal in Hawaii.
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Toxoplasma gondii parasite.
Toxoplasmosis results from infection with a common parasite found in cat feces and contaminated food. It can cause serious complications for pregnant women and people with weakened immune systems.
It's Hawaii. The are killing the local birds
In all those years not one person on the HOA had the decency to call a rescue. This lady should take the stance that the board refused to do anything about the cats. It would be fitting if the cats found new homes, the condo grounds would be overrun with rats and snakes.
Really? What would you prefer, having dinner served every night, or having to chase down your food every day.
most animals choose the former.
We have problems at the home improvement store i work at with mice. The cats that used to live outside of the store took care of most of them. A customer complained about the cats and the fact they were not fixed (like management wants to pay for cats that are not even in the store fixed) and they had to go. A customer took one and an employee took another.. not sure what happened to the kittens since they just disappeared. Of course the mice came back and now customers are complaining about the mice.
I am astonished that people willingly live in an HOA!
It's just like Steve said "well that won't happen to me" until it does. People have zero empathy to understand how something could happen to them and is happening to others. And on top of that, many are desperate to own a home and many places have TONS of HOA's.
Are there condos that don't have an HOA? Not everyone can afford to live in a single family home.
@@mikemayo4812 Condos are required by law to have some sort of management entity to deal with shared costs of the building itself at minimum.
@@Carahan I know that. Tell that to the original commenter.
BTW, I've lived in an HOA for 15 years. I read the rules prior to purchase, once I got to the section that stated that if it wasn't visible from the street it was acceptable (my house isn't visible from the street), I relaxed. Still, year one, when they asked for volunteers to be on the architectural control committee, I volunteered and have been on it ever since. Some of the previous board members were obnoxious in their enforcement ("your trim isn't the correct shade of white"), but I have been extremely accommodating of all but the most egregious violators.
What?!? You mean you actually took an interest in th eHOA and tried to make the place liveable?!?
Outrageous!
@Peter Allen I am glad that YOU are a reasonable person Peter. Sadly it seems that all too often the Karen's and Chad's, (Personally I call them Richard, substitute the nickname and you'll get it, 'Don't be a D'), as you stated. These ones just feel entitled to run everyone's lives and the more miserable you are the happier they are. THEY seem to be in the majority. I sincerely hope it continues to work out for you. Have a great day.
@@Cheepchipsable Most HOAs are reasonable. It is far more common to have troublesome owners than HOA board members. You are probably one of those owners who think the rules don't apply to them, just other people.
@@Tugela60 Geez, you missed the sarcasm that was literally dripping from that reply. Likely the person posting the reply doesn't even own a home and if so doesn't live in an HOA. But, I admit, I could be wrong.
1 persons egregiousness is another person's normality or whatever.
You did not address the “cruelty to animals” aspect of this case. Can an association make rules that would cause one to break the law?
It wouldn't be cruelty considering that they ate feral cats and hawaii considers feral cats to be an evasive species that is endangering the protected birds in hawaii. Cats are the biggest predators besid3s humans on island right now.
i hope she sues before she loses her house
If someone tells me to 'talk to their Lawyer' I am bound to contact that lawyer. If the person wants me to Stop Calling (or Contacting) him, doesn't he HAVE TO SUPPLY ME WITH AT LEAST THE LAWYERS NAME?
Cats are more than capable of feeding themselves outdoors.
no they aren't, that's a bullshit myth.
this lady has big energy. fight for those kitty's rights!
In the 80s my grandmother bought a small home in the Poconos. They had an hoa but only to pay for infrastructure. It was awesome you could ride atvs on the roads. But then someone got caught embezzling.
Wait till this goes viral the HOA will dropped the fine.
no they will not. and they should not.
@@channellejames1393 Yes they should. That's selective enforcement, intimidation, and predatory. You're part of the prolem if you condone these disgusting rules and HOAs.
How many other residents are feeding the cats and nobody cares?
@@Eidolon1andOnly you sound crazy. I do not mind her having cats I just don’t want them on my property. Her feeding them with out taking ownership means that they are a problem for other neighbors. Her neighbors don’t want them peeing on their rugs or defecating in their vegetable gardens. People get tired of this. These cats kill birds and they themselves are pray for other animals. Her particle domestication of the cats makes it harder for them to make it own their own. She should take them in her home and make them pets or let them go.
@@Sachi52 You're the crazy sounding one. Those cats lived there a good 6 years before the old lady even bought a condo, and seemingly all the residents tolerated the cats just fine. Now you're making up dumb hypotheticals like the cats peeing on rugs and defecating in vegetable gardens? How are outdoor cats peeing on rugs, and who has a vegetable garden in a condo? Feeding the cats would eliminate the need for the cats to hunt for food, and they also hunt the invasive mouse and rat species. She also doesn't live at the condo, she rents her unit out, so bringing them into her own home is not an option. No I'd say disciplinary action by the HOA would make sense if it was within reason, such as maybe an added $20 per month to her fees, maybe even $50 a month, but $100 *per day* is outrageous. Not only that, be she wasn't even informed of such a fine until nearly $26,000 was already accrued.
Someone needs to release every stray dog, cat and llama they can find in that 'development'.
I think public pressure can force the HOA nazis to be more reasonable.
Or they will just call an animal/pest control agency and the bill will be paid for by the residents - see how that works?
Wait... a pet by definition is an animal that is being kept, but not intended for consumption. Do the condo rules forbid keeping livestock? If not, why not claim that you intend to eat them at some point? You don't have to actually do that... though you could regularly send invites to the board members for a cat-grill party. Just to freak them out.
Not sure that would actually work, but I like how you think. 🙂
Good on her, I am not sure I would be brave enough to stick it to the Pol Pots at the HOA.
When and why did we turn governance over to private unelected companies?
We rented a condo in California and got a letter to have our balcony empty for renovations between certain dates. We complied, but the renovations never happened, so about a month after the specified dates, we moved our patio furniture back out to the balcony.
Some lady came by shortly after and didn't ask, but sternly told me to get my stuff off the balcony. I told her we had it emptied when they asked and that time has passed. She said we had to empty the balcony so the workers could renovate it. I told her that was not my problem and slammed the door on her face 😄
There were no signs if any work even remotely near my balcony.
A MONTH later, when I saw work near my building, I talked to one of the workers and asked him when he was going to start on my balcony so I could clear it for him. He said it wasn't a problem and he would let me know if he needed me to clear it.
From what I recall, they just said as long as we didn't have anything heavy like a grill or table on the balcony, it was fine. We just had a couple of fold up chairs and a small hibachi, so we just put them in our storage closet.
This lady may very well go on feeding those cats until the day she dies. The jackwangs at the HOA will try to get the money by placing a Lein on her property before it can be sold.
I'm going to sign up for a bunch of rules, refuse to follow them, then claim victim. Because I'm a useless sociopath.
I would never ever live somewhere where there is a HOA.
If two more stray cats show up she can name them Ted and Alice.
There is a vacuum effect, if these two cats are removed, others will move into the area to fill the vacuum. Removing the cats will NOT resolve the problem. These cats were probably spayed and/or neutered. Some Condo Karen needs a hobby. I need to find out who she is to help her with her fines and fees. I applaud her for caring for these feral cats. I do the same thing as in, I feed and shelter feral cats who live in the neighborhood.
Selective enforcement is probably the best argument
A former colleague lives in a condo in northern Virginia. His HOA even prohibits keeping fish in a tank.
Bless her heart!❤️💫❤️
Maybe it's the gal I used to swim with in St Paul MN! Hello Sue!❤️💫❤️
HOA forbids keeping AND feeding not just feeding. 🤣
HOAs are crazy with their rules...
Tight housing supply in HI means 80% of rentals and most condo buildings disallow pet ownership.
HOA‘s are like living in Stafford. Next they will be telling you what kind of wife and how many kids you can have
Makes you wonder if the courts said it is animal cruelty if they stop feeding them why the HOA is not required to follow all local laws and prohibited from overriding the laws.
This lady just needs to find a doctor who is willing to certify these cats are essential for her emotional and/or psychological wellness. Emotional support, or companion animals are the bane of HOA prohibitions everywhere.
If they started fining me for every report - I'd automate a report to go every 1-2 minutes out of spite.
I would not let the cats starve to death. The HOA can kick rocks.
Animals can hunt for their own food. How do you think they survive in the wild?
How much of a fine is there on a bird feeder ?
The most outrageous part of this story is that Steve has never heard of a Bobcat.
The word you are looking for is "FERAL"! 😁👍✌
She needs to find out if they have a camera pointing at her house. and being 73 the cats should be considered support animals
If someone else is dictating rules to you, then you don't own the property.
I refuse to live in an HOA. If I didn't need high-speed internet for work I'd be living in a rural place with acreage and not even having to deal with zoning.
There's 5G internet and starlink in the sticks now. You can also setup your own point to point high speed link for not that much money these days if you can see a place that has high speed available from where you are. The trick is to be outside of, but not too far away from the zoning!
I'm wondering how the HOA looks into the backyard of the tenant for violations? Perhaps there is no privacy fence around the back yard? Perhaps the food is placed in a common area? What about bird feeders?
It's obvious they have a Karen living amongst them..."I don't like the cats, so you can't have them..."
Imagine paying for a home you own and you can’t own an animal.
Very common in Hawaii
I know or do nothing , they are only good for nothing they just command you to fix you front yard . Don’t live the trash cans on the side of the house you can see it from the streets. Lol how funny and phony this people are the neighbors next and front of us don’t put away they trash cans you can see them from the streets
My dad and his 2nd wife liven in a condo on Clearwater Beach, Florida for many years after his retirements and the condo rules did not permit any pet even gold fish.
Would an HOA rule that has not been enforced for extended amounts of time fall into desuetude and become unenforceable at that point like laws/ordinances?
That does give you grounds to challenge. You could claim inequitable or targeted enforcement. It's not a guaranteed win, though.
Those cats do not need that woman to feed them
It's Hawaii so you cannot relocate cats without some way to adopt or keep them out of the ecosystem, since they are devastating to the native birds, and the HOA rules are likely some kind of reflection of that.
There's literally no way she can if she chooses to go to court.
I would think that preventing people from feeding the cats would be more detrimental to the birds. Hungrier cats would lead to more birds being eaten.
@@boataxe4605 Naw, hungry animals die off. Well fed animals reproduce. Yes, it is heartless, but this is how nature works.
@@bp1986 Naw, hungry cats hunt and are very effective at it.
@@boataxe4605 Still though, feeding them is encouraging the population to grow unless you are exclusively feeding sterile cats. By feeding them, you are only creating more problem for the future.
Would you make the same argument about feeding a wolf or bobcat population?
@@boataxe4605 That's not how cats work. They hunt when they're bored. They hunt for fun. This is part of why domesticated cats are so devastating to bird populations.
I purchased a home without reading the HOA Bylaws/Rules. After reading them much later I found a section where they determined that you could not sell your property to anyone of Oriental descent. Clearly un-Constitutional. That alone could probably defeat the entire HOA Bylaws in a court of law.
If all these cats that live in my community would keep our squirrel population down I'd be more happy about having them around.
HOA's of all shapes and sizes, established for any reason, ought be illegal. Period. I lived in one previously, it was a good one and all was fine and well. Never had an issue with it. I still stand by my previous statement. They, by default, infringe your right to pursuit of happiness, and people agree to let them. That is insane to me.
HOA = Hostage of Association
My dog would love living in that neighborhood.
Come out to my rural property and try to stop me giving birds water. I dare ya HOA creepers.
Thank you for the reminder of why I liked property law class. 🤔❤🇺🇸
I want to know if any of the other residents have bird feeders or if there are flowers planted by residents that bees feed off of and whether or not those offenders have been fined. Also, maybe people are feeding raccoons and rodents when they put their trash out on trash day. They should be fined also.
Cats are invasive to Hawaii & are destroying the wildlife like birds (is my understanding)
@@jupitercyclops6521 Probably true, but the rule just said animals and not cats specifically.
My family took a vacation on Kauai, and there were stray cats and chickens all over the island. These are probably 2 strays that people who used to live in that condo fed.
Yup don't buy into an association if you can't fallow the rules.
I like the lady for fighting.
I have domesticated one feral cat after three years of feeding him outside and him finally letting me pet him. He stays inside my place now 90% of the time and goes out for few hours at night and returns. My dilemma is that I am moving to a new house. I will take him, but I can’t let him out in the new place as he will prolly not return. Damn. Tough.
The 10% outside ... the cat went from neighbour to Neighbour meowing so mournfully making you think it wasn't being fed but was just a con job. Ask me how I know.
@@ScubaSteveCanada LOL, no need to ask since I know about cats and their habits. Cats that like to be outdoors are often 2-timers and 3-timers etc. Cats are expert foragers and know how to beg by turning on their charm. It's not a criticism of cats just an informed observation. Also, this is why it is critical to make sure they are spayed or neutered.
@DM DM That required a lot of patience and my hat is off to you for the excellent work. It is next to impossible to domesticate feral cats. One thing to keep in mind, since he is mostly inside, it is OK to move him and you should. If the opposite were true, it would not be OK to move him. It will take a lot more patience, on your part, to keep him inside 100% of the time.
I took in and still have 2 "strays". Both came to me with serious medical issues, one that was starving to death because of painful growths in his mouth, and another who ended up yet again as the loser of a catfight. Both are now "velcro cats" and the cuddliest critters I ever had. It was just recently, in fact, that #2 would actually come near me, let me pick him up, and even stay on my lap without one hand/arm holding him in place. And he was an "inside cat" for a year and a half at least.
And nope, neither one is ever going outside again. People drive like douchebags, and that's why cats keep "disappearing" around here.
If you feed the cat outside then continue to do so at the new place. Use the same containers and the same food. Also, if the cat is attached to you then take an old T-shirt and/or socks with your scent on it (wear it all day) and place these items on the porch near the food bowls. Even if the cat goes missing, continue to replace the clothes items with ones you've worn all day and put fresh water out but no food in the food bowl. The cat will eventually return, smelling your scent and seeing the familiar food n water bowls. It will hang around the area expecting food. You can then bring it back inside when it shows up wanting food.
I addition to reading the rules before purchasing read the last year of board meeting minutes and check the financials of the association. The minutes will let you know if there are problems. You could be buying the unit next to the problem occupant. You can also see if the board is just plain nuts and if they are planning special assessments to pay for improvements/repairs. Looking over the financials for the HOA will let you see if they have the necessary funds to make repairs without special assessments.
If there is an HOA rule in the books, that at some point violates state law, is that HOA rule enforceable? I remember hearing about a case a few years back where a homeowner let their lawn die in California during a drought when the state began limiting water usage through some sort of emergency order. The HOA began levying fines for the non maintenance of the lawn. I recall the homeowner took the HOA to court and won in this situation.
I'm unfamiliar with animal cruelty laws where this woman lives, but if she stopped feeding the cats could animal cruelty charges be brought up against her? If so, then by abiding by the HOA rules the lack of feeding the animals would be a criminal act.
Does a cessation of feeding community cats amount to an act of animal cruelty? And is a HOA rule, that violates state law, enforceable?
The public spotlight does tend to change things...an update on this story will be interesting.
If the HOA requires her to stop feeding them against the law, does it then fall on the HOA to keep feeding them?
Maybe, but I doubt it. I'm more interested about what happens when HOA rules force members through penalty into unlawful activity.
I don't know what local statutes and laws are applicable to that area.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket fair enough.
they're not multiplying, they must be fixed. they gather where there's food, and they multiply endlessly
HOA governing boards are frequently staffed by retired people who have the time and the desire to drive around making a list of people who’s grass is an inch too high, etc. We have a couple of people like that in my coop, but fortunately here in NH people that can’t mind their own business are frowned upon.
Maybe she could send the Assoc. a bill for mouse and rat control.
I just can't imagine living at a condo that allows no pets at all. How is having a couple of indoor only cats going to affect the other tenants?
It might have a shared HVAC system 🤷♂️. I know places like that ban indoor smoking and pets because of allergies.
At least the one I lived at did. They had linked AC to every flat on the floor as well as bathroom and kitchen venting that linked to every apartment above and below. And it was and old apartment so they just kind of banned stuff rather than update the entire system to be more isolated or contained at least 🤷♂️. Probably woulda been super expensive
@@nokiot9 Shared HVACs are or should be illegal and dealt with as it compromises fire safety barriers between appartments.
Someone who has never heard the cats running on the floor above you ... at 3:30 am.
Yeah, I'd like to see the rules of that HOA.
Those who sacrifice Freedom for Security deserve Neither.
HOAs are for those types..
Saw a beautiful home I was interested in. I saw it had HOA fees. I'll never look at that home again.
Just no HOA. There are several stray cats that depend on me. I don't want to do without them. There is no way I would abandon them. I did ask the local shelter, and they said they had no room. I'm retired, and I get about 1,300 per month. That fine would have me living homeless on the streets.
Are those cats spayed or nuetered? It's when they multiply. That's where the problem really starts.
@@joshuagibson2520 Tell me about it. I'n retired. I wish I had the income to get a vet to look in on them. I get about $1,000 per month. One of the cats has a broken back leg, and another has 1/2 of his back right foot and part of his tail missing.
@@StarSong936 Most areas have at least one free/low cost clinic. I just brought home my 7th earlier today after having him 'chipped, clipped & dipped' and checked out. (He wandered in about 4 months ago and other folks told me he'd been seen several miles away even longer than that.) The county subsidized part of the cost & services were done at a low cost clinic that specializes in TNR (trap, neuter, release) services.
Call around - there will be someone to assist you to help those poor kitties.
Then don't piss away your time and money on these stupid animals - buy a hammer it's cost effective.
feeding feral animals is illegal in Hawaii
One problem is those that are very vague or highly subjective
back during the 2008 election, there was an HOA that fined multiple residents for violating the rules of posting offensive or obscene signs. Turns out it was because those people were voting for McCain. Plenty of Obama signs that got not notices. Multiple members of the HOA board found that offensive.
A lawsuit was filed, but I do not know the results.