This is the best and most insightful analysis of Pat’s sound I’ve ever seen. With that upstroke and avoidance of the 6th, he really does sound like Pat.
Cool video, man! Rick Beato touched upon the "Metheny sound" a while back. You should check it out if you haven't seen it yet. He goes into depth on the actual gear/settings. The late '80s/early '90s was the Metheny stuff I first got into as well (around the mid '90s). Another important feature, that I've noticed and adopted, is the way he often will do quick pre-bends (by like just a quarter-tone, or maybe half-step at the most) before various notes he'll sustain.
phenomenal lesson that keeps giving...just revisited it and filled in most of the blanks from my first visit what a journey into Pats music...you the man Marbin...btw lovely house
also what he does is stretch the string just a little bit within the same fret with his left hand finger towards his right hand up until he crosses the fret a bit, this causes a mute effect and also decreases the note frequency a bit; generally there's a lot of expressive movement with his left hand on the strings, not just hitting the frets mechanically
@@z3nish it wasnt that I doubted him. I just wanted to find an example. I know some examples where he does this, for example a live version of "dont know why" by Nora Jones. But to me it almost sounds like he is making mistakes.
@@svensvensson6705 interesting, maybe he really is sometimes almost making mistakes? i was trying to find some videos of him being more free on the guitar but they were removed from youtube or i can't find them anymore; anyway, do you know his work with derek bailey?
Great ananysis! As someone else pointed out, he also moves augmented triads around, seemingly outside the key at times, but always brings it back to resolve.
This is the most explicative video about pm style. Please can you do a second video? Analizing more aspects of pm style? Maybe something more about harmony or chords used by pm? Or simply what you noticing more about his style. So, please another video lesson on pm? Say me yes!? Ok? Thanks 😊
Your analyses of every player is incredible! What a great Educator!!! Dan you literally BLOW AWAY those Instagram guitar guys.So does Jay Roberts. Its crazy how the kids who at least don't follow the crap music, still don't know whats good out there.
Fav Metheny tone & playing is when he guested on Gary Thomas’ album, “Till We Have Faces” (1992). Teri Lyne Carrington on drums too. Metheny exorcised some sh!t on the track “Lament”.
Awesome tutorial on some nice fine points of Metheny's approach! They're great even if we're not trying to sound like him, but who doesn't want to sound like Metheny? Haha. I was hoping you would touch further on the chromatic thing - you did a little on the picking one string than hammering on the other string. But he takes it further and turns it into what I call his insane "lick from hell." I'm sure you know what I'm talking about! I wish I could figure that one out. Anyway, thanks for a great tutorial!
People don't realize that if you're playing a hollow body, the guitar has it's own acoustic sound coming through to you. Depending on how loud the amp is you will get completely different sounds (to you) each time you play at different volumes. The sound coming from the amp IS completely different. I used to think my sound was brittle because my amp was far away and my Broadway guitar is very loud on it's own.
Excellent rundown - I like especially the avoidance of the 6th. The 6th tends to obscure the harmony, i.e. it hints to the degree a fourth above the degree you're in. I just wanted to add one vital aspect of Pat Metheny's playing and that is his rhythm; Pat just GROOVES, as if there's a full-on rhythm section hiding within his lines. His lesson on th-cam.com/video/UAc1CytLStw/w-d-xo.html is quite an eye opener.
Still Life Talking & Letter from Home = 2 Killer Albums. Wonder what pedals he has on his pedalboard? He is a very Airy-Jazz player. This was really excellent.
Michael Caz no pedals. Rolls his tone off, adds two delays units to achieve a chorusing effect (or at least used to) and that’s about it. The rest in in the fingers. He also uses a Roland gr300
After transcribing a whole bunch of Pat Metheny solos it's difficult to arrive at a universal conclusion on what his approach to harmony and melody is, though without question he does have a whole bunch of favourite devices and tricks that are well illustrated in my transcriptions. One inescapable conclusion is that much of his soloing is be-bop based. If you fail to understand this then you fail to understand Pat Metheny. As for avoiding the 6th, I have not found this to be a particular characterstic. Though I would say by far that he prefers to play with root, 3rd, 5th and 9th. For instance he will happily play a major 3rd over a minor chord and vice versa, with the 5th and 9th raised or flattened irrespective of chord scale relationships. As for the perception that he is playing with all up strokes, yes and no. His pick technique appears to be conventional, so far as down stroke on the beat and upstroke on the offbeat (this can change depending on his articulation and phrasing). However he employs so many slurs on the offbeat to the downbeat that it can appear as though he is playing entire passages on upstrokes.
Yeah, as of now i am using benzon picking technique,(somehow similar to Pat but using only one finger to grip the pick) and it sound really different as compared to standard picking.
I've been influence by Pats sound for almost 40 years. My latest "This Is A Good Day" released yesterday and is a happy nod to 'New Chautauqua". 2 years ago I did a tribute song to Pat Metheny Group called "The Direction of Wind". Absolutely love that ethereal sound he and Lyle (RIP) achieved!
Great video man! do you have any idea of his philosophy for comping? i don't think he's using the traditional drop 2.. there's something there in his comping i can't get my head around.. thanks.
I actually wondered if you played a GR-300 guitar synth (aka "The Blue Box") on "Aggressive Hippies" - Pat Metheny made this guitar synth box pretty famous... Saw you guys in College Park MD a few weeks back - your albums have been in constant rotation in my car since :)
They're fun as hell to play - because they track in the analog domain they're as fast as possible and will track things like deep whammy bar bends - I have a guitar with a Floyd rose setup which you can bend until the strings are just hanging and the GR-300 will track it until they aren't vibrating anymore :)
If you want to sound like Pat Metheny, watch this intently . If you want to be like Pat Metheny, watch this intently, then forget about it and find out how to sound like “YOU”.
Listen to Mr. Rabin's comments in his "How to Play Like Allan Holdsworth" video - he analyzes a lot of players very well but he notes that doesn't really play in his own music like that. He's got his own style that doesn't really remind me of Pat or Allan or Scott Henderson. But sometimes things like this can let us dabble in those universes for a while. "It's nice to visit, but don't move in and take all of their furniture..."
I think it's a Gibson ES-335. The ES-330 has single coil P90 pickups, and the 335 has humbuckers, which is what he has. I had to watch closely for him to bring the headstock in frame, and is says " Gibson." Because the nut doesn't say "Gibson," it could look like an Epiphone, however, Epiphones usually have an "E" on the nut.
Hey Dani, I just wanted to say thanks for your great video on Pat Metheny - loved it! I also hate to ask, but which guitar do you have? I am thinking of getting a hollow body, but am not so keen on the sound/shape of ones like his, but I really like your 'flat' hollow body one :) Thanks! cheers, Dan
@@marbinmusic The one that you are playing in this video about Pat Metheny? I thought the 335 was more of an 'archtop' hollow-body - the one in this video looks like a 'flat' hollow-body :) Thanks! cheers, Dan
@@marbinmusic Wow! I can't see the arch at all... I thought it was 'flat' (maybe cause it also looks more 'slim' than other archtops? :) which is kinda what I am looking for - a slim 'flat' hollow-body with f-holes :) Thanks again! cheers, Dan
Cool! I just found an archtop that I can afford... I had been looking at flat ones, cause they are cheaper, but I just got an Epiphone Dot Natural with a cracked neck that had been repaired for 1/2 price! I love the 'Pat Metheny' type sound it makes :)
This is the best and most insightful analysis of Pat’s sound I’ve ever seen. With that upstroke and avoidance of the 6th, he really does sound like Pat.
"Wes Montgomery playing in a magical cave". My favourite quote ever. This is an intriguing selection of points here. Thanks for putting this out.
Hehe! it's funny because it's true
That was great, man. Thanks. The upstroke alone is such a part of that sound. Way cool.
I'm a Drummer but subbed bc I Love when people talk about harmony.
Excellent to hear an expert analysis of the wonderful Pat Metheny's technique!
Cool video, man! Rick Beato touched upon the "Metheny sound" a while back. You should check it out if you haven't seen it yet. He goes into depth on the actual gear/settings. The late '80s/early '90s was the Metheny stuff I first got into as well (around the mid '90s). Another important feature, that I've noticed and adopted, is the way he often will do quick pre-bends (by like just a quarter-tone, or maybe half-step at the most) before various notes he'll sustain.
2:25 the lick :)
Great analysis video !
phenomenal lesson that keeps giving...just revisited it and filled in most of the blanks from my first visit what a journey into Pats music...you the man Marbin...btw lovely house
Awesome Dani. Thanks.
My favorite Pat Metheny albums are the early-mid stuff. Bright Size Life to Still Life (Talking).
Wow ! Thanks for the clarity of your instruction .
also what he does is stretch the string just a little bit within the same fret with his left hand finger towards his right hand up until he crosses the fret a bit, this causes a mute effect and also decreases the note frequency a bit; generally there's a lot of expressive movement with his left hand on the strings, not just hitting the frets mechanically
Please give an example 😮
@@svensvensson6705 try playing Metheny videos at 0.25 speed when he's soloing, see for yourself all the little nuances
@@z3nish it wasnt that I doubted him. I just wanted to find an example. I know some examples where he does this, for example a live version of "dont know why" by Nora Jones. But to me it almost sounds like he is making mistakes.
@@svensvensson6705 interesting, maybe he really is sometimes almost making mistakes? i was trying to find some videos of him being more free on the guitar but they were removed from youtube or i can't find them anymore; anyway, do you know his work with derek bailey?
@@z3nish no. I looked him up. After seeing him play, I get the feeling that those "faults" metheny did most likley not were mistakes.
superb! Thank you!
So many gems in this video. Awesome explanation and summary Dan!!
Excellent video dude!
You nailed a lot of his sound
The knowledge you share is greatly appreciated!
Great ananysis! As someone else pointed out, he also moves augmented triads around, seemingly outside the key at times, but always brings it back to resolve.
Lovely break down Marbin. Really helpful for emulating Pat's sound in my DAW. Thank you!
This is the most explicative video about pm style. Please can you do a second video? Analizing more aspects of pm style? Maybe something more about harmony or chords used by pm? Or simply what you noticing more about his style. So, please another video lesson on pm? Say me yes!? Ok? Thanks 😊
Very nice Analysis
Thank you 🙏
Best stylistic video on Metheny I've found so far. Nice job!
Very good explanation.. Very good!!
Your analyses of every player is incredible! What a great Educator!!! Dan you literally BLOW AWAY those Instagram guitar guys.So does Jay Roberts. Its crazy how the kids who at least don't follow the crap music, still don't know whats good out there.
Brilliant stuff. Please do more.
Fav Metheny tone & playing is when he guested on Gary Thomas’ album, “Till We Have Faces” (1992). Teri Lyne Carrington on drums too.
Metheny exorcised some sh!t on the track “Lament”.
Awesome tutorial on some nice fine points of Metheny's approach! They're great even if we're not trying to sound like him, but who doesn't want to sound like Metheny? Haha. I was hoping you would touch further on the chromatic thing - you did a little on the picking one string than hammering on the other string. But he takes it further and turns it into what I call his insane "lick from hell." I'm sure you know what I'm talking about! I wish I could figure that one out. Anyway, thanks for a great tutorial!
Absolutely fantastic. Great analysis.
" pick, only about 1 milli-second thick", lol, we know what you meant, mate. Very good breakdown of the style, w effect-preferences accurate, too !
I laughed too.
This is an awesome tutorial of the MASTER, Pat Metheny! Well done.
People don't realize that if you're playing a hollow body, the guitar has it's own acoustic sound coming through to you. Depending on how loud the amp is you will get completely different sounds (to you) each time you play at different volumes. The sound coming from the amp IS completely different. I used to think my sound was brittle because my amp was far away and my Broadway guitar is very loud on it's own.
Genius... thx a million for this video!!!!!!!!!!
Wes Montgomery in a magical cave :)
Thanks for this. Really good quick way to get into his playing style.
It's magic. 😮
Very in depth analysis of his playing great job... Even with a 335! 👍
Great stuff thanks!
I'm a drummer, I don't know what I'm doing here but this is cool. I love Pat
That was really awesome, man!
Excellent rundown - I like especially the avoidance of the 6th. The 6th tends to obscure the harmony, i.e. it hints to the degree a fourth above the degree you're in. I just wanted to add one vital aspect of Pat Metheny's playing and that is his rhythm; Pat just GROOVES, as if there's a full-on rhythm section hiding within his lines. His lesson on th-cam.com/video/UAc1CytLStw/w-d-xo.html is quite an eye opener.
You nailed it down ! AWESOME
I started to play guitar yesterday. Today I've watched this video and now I sound like Pat Metheny. Thank you!
That’s what I hoped for while making it
Well done!
More video please, fantastic.
Still Life Talking & Letter from Home = 2 Killer Albums. Wonder what pedals he has on his pedalboard? He is a very Airy-Jazz player. This was really excellent.
Michael Caz no pedals. Rolls his tone off, adds two delays units to achieve a chorusing effect (or at least used to) and that’s about it. The rest in in the fingers. He also uses a Roland gr300
@@fred8097 Thanks brother. Just saw this. Appreciate your input. oNe LovE from NYC
Well, thanks for your posting! really gig-time saving :)))
After transcribing a whole bunch of Pat Metheny solos it's difficult to arrive at a universal conclusion on what his approach to harmony and melody is, though without question he does have a whole bunch of favourite devices and tricks that are well illustrated in my transcriptions. One inescapable conclusion is that much of his soloing is be-bop based. If you fail to understand this then you fail to understand Pat Metheny. As for avoiding the 6th, I have not found this to be a particular characterstic. Though I would say by far that he prefers to play with root, 3rd, 5th and 9th. For instance he will happily play a major 3rd over a minor chord and vice versa, with the 5th and 9th raised or flattened irrespective of chord scale relationships. As for the perception that he is playing with all up strokes, yes and no. His pick technique appears to be conventional, so far as down stroke on the beat and upstroke on the offbeat (this can change depending on his articulation and phrasing). However he employs so many slurs on the offbeat to the downbeat that it can appear as though he is playing entire passages on upstrokes.
Bro your videos are like ultra sick
You don’t like the first PM group with Phase Dance ? That entire album is killer
Yeah, as of now i am using benzon picking technique,(somehow similar to Pat but using only one finger to grip the pick) and it sound really different as compared to standard picking.
Nice concept for a series I have watched video good job sir
I've been influence by Pats sound for almost 40 years. My latest "This Is A Good Day" released yesterday and is a happy nod to 'New Chautauqua". 2 years ago I did a tribute song to Pat Metheny Group called "The Direction of Wind". Absolutely love that ethereal sound he and Lyle (RIP) achieved!
I actually got ahold of "New Chautauqua" and "Wichita Falls" before I even heard PMG. I actually just saw him last night (6-11-23) in Richmond, Va.
I wanna sound like you hommie
Great vidéo !!! Witch strings do you use ?
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How about gear and signal chain with settings
Great video man! do you have any idea of his philosophy for comping? i don't think he's using the traditional drop 2.. there's something there in his comping i can't get my head around.. thanks.
you dude you're awesome, Much love saw you at mexicali in teaneck nj w/ holdsworth
I actually wondered if you played a GR-300 guitar synth (aka "The Blue Box") on "Aggressive Hippies" - Pat Metheny made this guitar synth box pretty famous...
Saw you guys in College Park MD a few weeks back - your albums have been in constant rotation in my car since :)
UnTiedMusicStudio awesome dude :) I never used that box. That sound is the eventide pitchfactor on the analog synth patch
They're fun as hell to play - because they track in the analog domain they're as fast as possible and will track things like deep whammy bar bends - I have a guitar with a Floyd rose setup which you can bend until the strings are just hanging and the GR-300 will track it until they aren't vibrating anymore :)
when are you touring New Zealand next?
Thanks for this fantastic video. How do you figure thus stuff out?
Does anyone know the name of the tune he’s playing around 4min 30?
Nailed it
What u playing through and pedals etc
Great video. What pick are u using?
If you want to sound like Pat Metheny, watch this intently . If you want to be like Pat Metheny, watch this intently, then forget about it and find out how to sound like “YOU”.
Listen to Mr. Rabin's comments in his "How to Play Like Allan Holdsworth" video - he analyzes a lot of players very well but he notes that doesn't really play in his own music like that. He's got his own style that doesn't really remind me of Pat or Allan or Scott Henderson. But sometimes things like this can let us dabble in those universes for a while. "It's nice to visit, but don't move in and take all of their furniture..."
Definitely not the point of this video.
Really interesting video thank you very much! have u noticed him playing specific scales or scale shapes? Im trying to get in the mindset atm
qualcuno sà come ottenere il suono di PAT METHENY ? delay, reverb, chorus e pich ?
What your guitar model? It looks awesome✌🏽
I think it's a Gibson ES-335. The ES-330 has single coil P90 pickups, and the 335 has humbuckers, which is what he has. I had to watch closely for him to bring the headstock in frame, and is says " Gibson." Because the nut doesn't say "Gibson," it could look like an Epiphone, however, Epiphones usually have an "E" on the nut.
Sorry -talking of sound-the volume level is too low can you raise the level? Thanks
Excellent
very good video, also how can i get in contact with you ? have some good stuff to talk about ($)
Sergio Cavalieri marbinmusic@gmail.com
Sergio Cavalieri Marbinmusic@gmail.com
what strings?
whats the name of the tune at 4:20 again?
th-cam.com/video/hhqJm4pa1F4/w-d-xo.html
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Hey Dani, I just wanted to say thanks for your great video on Pat Metheny - loved it! I also hate to ask, but which guitar do you have? I am thinking of getting a hollow body, but am not so keen on the sound/shape of ones like his, but I really like your 'flat' hollow body one :) Thanks! cheers, Dan
Dan hi dude, that’s a Gibson 335 with 13’s right there
@@marbinmusic The one that you are playing in this video about Pat Metheny? I thought the 335 was more of an 'archtop' hollow-body - the one in this video looks like a 'flat' hollow-body :) Thanks! cheers, Dan
Dan yup it’s a 335 with flatwould
@@marbinmusic Wow! I can't see the arch at all... I thought it was 'flat' (maybe cause it also looks more 'slim' than other archtops? :) which is kinda what I am looking for - a slim 'flat' hollow-body with f-holes :) Thanks again! cheers, Dan
Cool! I just found an archtop that I can afford... I had been looking at flat ones, cause they are cheaper, but I just got an Epiphone Dot Natural with a cracked neck that had been repaired for 1/2 price! I love the 'Pat Metheny' type sound it makes :)
mind blowing..im a better Metheny player thanks to you...obrigado amigo
Pat was about finding your own voice. Enough said.
The video was about finding Pat’s voice
this doesn't sound like metheny at all
Just checked again, it does sound like Metheny.
@@marbinmusic I thought it did too.
As ned Flanders would say "it sure diddly does my good neighbor"
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