Just fitted Loki,Maple leaf and flamingo bucking to mu AAP01C. Things a beast on hpa. Love your products. If anyone has an AAP dont buy any other hop unit. The Loki is the one.❤
Very efficient hop, I love my TDC hop hadrons, I have a question, I can’t seem to find an external version of the grub screw for hop adjustment. Any recommendations as to where to look? Would be very helpful thank you.
I noticed the bolt wasn't cycling properly when you fired in semi and looked like half lock back in full auto. Nothing to do with the hop unit though 😉 Hop unit looks like it will be a hit 👍 best of luck with it.
It has a roller hammer fitted, as all previous hammers failed. It also ran our of gas just at the end :) I usually run the AW drum mag, but will look at an HPA setup in coming days. I fancy the Airtac one with the light drum.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns I noticed a lot of people loosened the site screws the site binding up the bolt, isn't the fault of screws being tight. If you look at bottom of sight the nub part that goes in the spring guide rod is slightly to long pressing down on the spring guide rod. Between the upper and bbu the guide rod is squashed. Also the guide rod rounded top on stock AAP sitting slightly higher than bbu. Quick fix with a dremel on both and sight screw's can be tightened.
@@JBAIRSOFTIRELAND yes. Very common. I should have used the drum mag.:) Light bolts and low gas aren't a great combo. Only on single Mags do I tend to get incomplete reset near gas out.
@@JBAIRSOFTIRELAND using the cow cow bolt, I also notice an impact into the threads, marking the bolt upper. This didn't happen on the stock one. I have to have a measure up
Having serious fps issues in full auto and tech is informing me the loki is the issue with a 240mm barrel...what is the longest recommended barrel to use with loki?
Hey I just installed the Loki hop unit into my AAP-01 with a Maple Leaf Decipticon 70 bucking and everything is working great but there is one problem I'm not sure is supposed to be happening. With stock unit + bucking when I clear the chamber the bb falls out backwards from the bucking, but with the upgraded Loki + Maple bucking the bb seems to be snugly suctioned into the bucking so it doesn't fall out when I try to clear the chamber. The only way to clear it is to shoot it out basically. Is this supposed to happen?
@@hadronairsoftdesigns Thanks that's what I figured, looks like the seal it creates makes the gas expel the bb more efficiently. LOVE the unit btw, really precise adjustment and can send the bb up into space if I overhop which is hilarious. One more thing, I heard you say in a video that lightweight bolts can wreck the AAP, why is that? Is it an HPA thing?
@@KniteGraffiti Light bolts require some fiddling of the spring rates to perfect. Once they are dialled in, they can be ok. The long barrelled builds are a bit more of a pain, to keep under site limits especially on HPA
@@hadronairsoftdesigns i got a question please help me xD actually i cant not find the flamingo rubber . or maple leaf or stalker SR maybe i can use with stalker?
Loki uses true TDC pressure, the AA uses nub and arm. Loki nub is designed for optimum bucking pressure. The Loki you adjust external, the AA is open upband separate. Fit a stock or body kit, and you can adjust with ease. I run an SRU vector which has the Loki, drilled through with guide. There are lots of other changes between the two. Personally, I like the AA one, it's a great option if running no stock in a mamba, or other upper.
Whilst the AA cnc hop unit is quality it can also be a pain to set the precise hop as it’s rotation is incremental as it clicks into set position due to a small sprung ball bearing which invariably is either side of where you need it to sit for precise hop. which can mean (in certain. Installations) that it’s either just under hopping or just over hopping. Where as this is not an issue with the Loki as it’s a true TDC adjustment. I’m looking forwards to trying it in my AAP-carbine setup to see how it compares to my existing AA-cnc hop unit.
@hadronairsoftdesigns So...i already have an AAP01 and was just about to order some stuff to make a carbine kit and wanted to ask, has this unit been tested or would you know if it fits with the Action Army AAP01 hanguard? Without checking i assume it would i as think all the bolt holes pickup in the same locations. Just i know it fits the front end of the AAP01 stock form but not sure about the handuard also and has anyone tested this unit through the Action Army 200mm inner barrel and even longer ASG 300mm barrels?
Anyone know the size of the flat head screws for locking/top plate? Mine didn't come with them so will need to find some that will fit in place. Other than that I am super looking forward to playing with this installed.
@@loops01 Thanks but its not that major of an issue I just seem to have lost my box of random countersunk screws if it was any other part I would contact them.
This is still a CNC unit. I presume in comparison to the AA rotary? Main differences are a true TDC nub, versus a pivoting nub. The AA is a great unit, and I do like it. However, taking the nub design from our Mk23 experience, and creating a true TDC for the AAP was the choice. When set correctly. its capable of 0.2 to 0.5 hop (flamingo), and we have run up 37rds a second over 1000's of rounds with no hop self adjustment.
@@cyberkinetics Yes, TTI was tested in the early days. If using the hop wheel, then dont use the locking plate, or grub screw/mount. You need to shim the nub or print some 3d spacers to maximise movement from the TTI hop wheel.
Hi, our testers use the tti. No drilling required. Don't fit the lock plate, or green securing plate. Fit the nub, and you may need to space the tti push rod into the Loki nub. One guy used a short 3mm grub screw to sit between.
Also can I pick your brain? Sorry i know its not your unit but the cow cow hammer set i keep finding 2 theres a g18c one and an aap01 set. Are they the same? I can see the g18 one is always in stock but the aap01 is out of stock everywhere in uk. Would the g18 one fit? 😁 sorry
@@thomasstaton308 I do use the g18 kits, they tend to fit fine. The only thought is fine tuning the auto sear length. This I've had to do on the specific aap kits too. Some do have no issues. I do have really early 1at gen AAP-01 though
I just installed the Loki and I have a short grubscrew left. It's also not in the video 😁 it's the size of the adjustment screw. So i have a longer one and a shorter one.
Use the shorter one initially. The longer one is for thin buckings or where required, feedback says that most don't use it though. Future kits will just have the one going forward.
I really need to make some advanced fitment and tuning guides for the users. When the unit is installed, be sure to unscrew the grub a touch to relieve hop pressure before testing.
you have to separate the top/bottom of the gun to adjust the hop on that one. also the cnc rotary adjusts in steps which means it's less accurate adjustment.
@@gambitairsoftsniperour testers ran lots of uppers. I have a mamba set also from before I went mini vector SRU kit Let me know how you get on with installing. Take your time.
Let’s go! This was extremely simple to install. I’d be surprised if anyone manages to get it wrong after watching this
Just fitted Loki,Maple leaf and flamingo bucking to mu AAP01C. Things a beast on hpa. Love your products. If anyone has an AAP dont buy any other hop unit. The Loki is the one.❤
Thanks for this Steve. We met in Malia couple years back. I bought an aap then found your video. Thanks and best wishes 👌
Hi Neil, i remember :) I hope to get over to your neck of the woods for a few games this year. Its been crazy here for lack of free time.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns were out on swat next Sunday for the first aap outing 🤣 hopefully see you on there 👍
Brilliant, nice clear video and instructions, thankyou
Big thanx fot the tip with the sight screw
Jus purchased @empire airsoft can't wait to field this hopefully this weekend 👌
Thankyou. I'm sure you will enjoy
Absolute thing of beauty, istalled my first one in minutes after watching this video.
Any issues or problems?
@@hadronairsoftdesigns None at all, Mamba upper on the Drill press, then a quick blast with the airline, job done.
You know it's going to be quality when my man is using Wera drivers! 😛
Wera for the win..
Very efficient hop, I love my TDC hop hadrons, I have a question, I can’t seem to find an external version of the grub screw for hop adjustment. Any recommendations as to where to look? Would be very helpful thank you.
Cannot wait to get one of these for my aap
I really need you to do a tdc for the asg scorpion evo!!
i already got the action army hop with the panthera nub but im honestly debating on getting the loki instead
I noticed the bolt wasn't cycling properly when you fired in semi and looked like half lock back in full auto.
Nothing to do with the hop unit though 😉
Hop unit looks like it will be a hit 👍
best of luck with it.
It has a roller hammer fitted, as all previous hammers failed. It also ran our of gas just at the end :)
I usually run the AW drum mag, but will look at an HPA setup in coming days. I fancy the Airtac one with the light drum.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns
I noticed a lot of people loosened the site screws
the site binding up the bolt, isn't the fault of screws being tight.
If you look at bottom of sight the nub part that goes in the spring guide rod is slightly to long pressing down on the spring guide rod.
Between the upper and bbu the guide rod is squashed.
Also the guide rod rounded top on stock AAP sitting slightly higher than bbu.
Quick fix with a dremel on both and sight screw's can be tightened.
@@JBAIRSOFTIRELAND yes. Very common. I should have used the drum mag.:)
Light bolts and low gas aren't a great combo. Only on single Mags do I tend to get incomplete reset near gas out.
@@JBAIRSOFTIRELAND using the cow cow bolt, I also notice an impact into the threads, marking the bolt upper.
This didn't happen on the stock one. I have to have a measure up
Having serious fps issues in full auto and tech is informing me the loki is the issue with a 240mm barrel...what is the longest recommended barrel to use with loki?
DOes the Loki Hop unit work with the tti Carbine Kit? As the Carbin kit hast the TDC already preinstalled...
Is this hop up unite compatible with TDC adjustment wheel on TTI Airsoft AAP-01 AR kit?
Does it work with the fuku 2 long cutout upper
does the hplate-v2 work with the loki?
Is it compatible for the black mamba?
Can i use a 60° in the AAP or is a 50° better?
I do prefer the 60 degree.. unless really cold weather, and gas is cool.. i may grab a 50 for that.
Hey I just installed the Loki hop unit into my AAP-01 with a Maple Leaf Decipticon 70 bucking and everything is working great but there is one problem I'm not sure is supposed to be happening. With stock unit + bucking when I clear the chamber the bb falls out backwards from the bucking, but with the upgraded Loki + Maple bucking the bb seems to be snugly suctioned into the bucking so it doesn't fall out when I try to clear the chamber. The only way to clear it is to shoot it out basically. Is this supposed to happen?
A bb sat in the bucking is perfectly normal. Its ready for the next cycle. Always check for a bb, never assume its empty.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns Thanks that's what I figured, looks like the seal it creates makes the gas expel the bb more efficiently. LOVE the unit btw, really precise adjustment and can send the bb up into space if I overhop which is hilarious. One more thing, I heard you say in a video that lightweight bolts can wreck the AAP, why is that? Is it an HPA thing?
@@KniteGraffiti Light bolts require some fiddling of the spring rates to perfect. Once they are dialled in, they can be ok. The long barrelled builds are a bit more of a pain, to keep under site limits especially on HPA
waiting for the package the thing is im using narcos upper xD be easy to drilling
Its very easy to do, i would suggest a drill press or very steady hand :)
@@hadronairsoftdesigns i got a question please help me xD actually i cant not find the flamingo rubber . or maple leaf or stalker SR maybe i can use with stalker?
Where can I get hold of this thing I need one by September 16th but can’t get one anywhere
Empire Airsoft, Mantis Concepts, MIR Tactical, One Shot in Canada :) Lots of outlets.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns already been ordered and fitted into the aap absolutely perfect
How does this compare to the CNC unit from Action Army?
Yeah I’m quite keen on seeing the difference between the two, The Hadron Loki does look easy with the instalation of the barrel and bucking.
Loki uses true TDC pressure, the AA uses nub and arm.
Loki nub is designed for optimum bucking pressure.
The Loki you adjust external, the AA is open upband separate.
Fit a stock or body kit, and you can adjust with ease. I run an SRU vector which has the Loki, drilled through with guide.
There are lots of other changes between the two. Personally, I like the AA one, it's a great option if running no stock in a mamba, or other upper.
Whilst the AA cnc hop unit is quality it can also be a pain to set the precise hop as it’s rotation is incremental as it clicks into set position due to a small sprung ball bearing which invariably is either side of where you need it to sit for precise hop. which can mean (in certain. Installations) that it’s either just under hopping or just over hopping. Where as this is not an issue with the Loki as it’s a true TDC adjustment. I’m looking forwards to trying it in my AAP-carbine setup to see how it compares to my existing AA-cnc hop unit.
@@kimberleycannon6894 please keep us posted with a verdict :)
Will do.👍
is it way better as the aap CNC Hopup ?
I'm going to try it on the Airsoft Narcos CNC Upper, I'll let you know if there's any issues.
Hi, it should be fine.. Let me know how you get on :)
@@hadronairsoftdesigns the online store is out of stock.
I cannot seem to find it in stock anywhere.
www.empireairsoft.co.uk/
@hadronairsoftdesigns So...i already have an AAP01 and was just about to order some stuff to make a carbine kit and wanted to ask, has this unit been tested or would you know if it fits with the Action Army AAP01 hanguard? Without checking i assume it would i as think all the bolt holes pickup in the same locations. Just i know it fits the front end of the AAP01 stock form but not sure about the handuard also and has anyone tested this unit through the Action Army 200mm inner barrel and even longer ASG 300mm barrels?
Yes, we have run 80 to 330 barrels with no issues. The unit fits all GBB barrels. All bolt holes align with the stock hardware :)
@@hadronairsoftdesigns will it even work with the crazy jet hybrid cut aeg/gbb barrel also?
What size is the Allen key to adjust the hop ?
1.5mm
Anyone know the size of the flat head screws for locking/top plate? Mine didn't come with them so will need to find some that will fit in place. Other than that I am super looking forward to playing with this installed.
Reach out to the supplier urgently, they should have been in the box.
Failing that contact Hadron on messenger and they can sort some.
@@loops01 Thanks but its not that major of an issue I just seem to have lost my box of random countersunk screws if it was any other part I would contact them.
thats actually a lot more simple than i first thought. whats it like over range? is it better than the CNC hop unit?
This is still a CNC unit. I presume in comparison to the AA rotary? Main differences are a true TDC nub, versus a pivoting nub. The AA is a great unit, and I do like it. However, taking the nub design from our Mk23 experience, and creating a true TDC for the AAP was the choice. When set correctly. its capable of 0.2 to 0.5 hop (flamingo), and we have run up 37rds a second over 1000's of rounds with no hop self adjustment.
@Hadron Airsoft Designs ye that's the one I'm on about. Does this fit in the TTI upper kit with the tdc screw that comes in that?
@@cyberkinetics Yes, TTI was tested in the early days. If using the hop wheel, then dont use the locking plate, or grub screw/mount. You need to shim the nub or print some 3d spacers to maximise movement from the TTI hop wheel.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns how would I go about doing that?
@@hadronairsoftdesigns how should I go about shimming it out?
Hey, do you have to drill through the tti cnc carbine kit? Or does the hole allign with there tdc wheel?
Hi, our testers use the tti.
No drilling required.
Don't fit the lock plate, or green securing plate. Fit the nub, and you may need to space the tti push rod into the Loki nub.
One guy used a short 3mm grub screw to sit between.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns great thank you
Also can I pick your brain? Sorry i know its not your unit but the cow cow hammer set i keep finding 2 theres a g18c one and an aap01 set. Are they the same? I can see the g18 one is always in stock but the aap01 is out of stock everywhere in uk. Would the g18 one fit? 😁 sorry
@@thomasstaton308 I do use the g18 kits, they tend to fit fine. The only thought is fine tuning the auto sear length. This I've had to do on the specific aap kits too.
Some do have no issues.
I do have really early 1at gen AAP-01 though
What barrel would you suggest?
Stock or TNT :)
I just installed the Loki and I have a short grubscrew left. It's also not in the video 😁 it's the size of the adjustment screw. So i have a longer one and a shorter one.
same does it matter which
Use the shorter one initially.
The longer one is for thin buckings or where required, feedback says that most don't use it though. Future kits will just have the one going forward.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns okay awesome thank you this really helped getting it installed excited to use it this weekend
I really need to make some advanced fitment and tuning guides for the users.
When the unit is installed, be sure to unscrew the grub a touch to relieve hop pressure before testing.
how is this more beneficial than the cnc rotary one
you have to separate the top/bottom of the gun to adjust the hop on that one. also the cnc rotary adjusts in steps which means it's less accurate adjustment.
Where i can buy this hop-unit in europe?
Mantis concept bros :)
@@hadronairsoftdesigns thanks
Is this compatible with the black mamba upper?
Compatible with any. Drill through as video. On a mamba I would use a drill press or ensure 90 degrees.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns mines coming tomorrow I would of reverted back to my original upper, but I'm glad it's compatible,legend as always fella 👍👍
@@gambitairsoftsniperour testers ran lots of uppers. I have a mamba set also from before I went mini vector SRU kit
Let me know how you get on with installing. Take your time.
@@hadronairsoftdesigns fingers crossed it's here within the hour hopefully can get if installed and put this bad boy through its pace come Sunday 🤞🤞