UK gender identity service given leave to appeal High Court puberty blockers ban
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- The only children's NHS gender clinic in England and Wales has been given leave to appeal a High Court ruling. After Keira Bell brought a case against London's Tavistock gender identity development service, judges declared in December that children under 16 were unlikely to be able to consent to hormone treatments to stop the onset of puberty. (Subscribe:bit.ly/C4_News...)
Consultant psychiatrist Dr David Bell, who served as a staff governor at the Tavistock Trust, wrote an internal report back in 2018, raising the concerns brought to him by colleagues about the way the Gender Identity Development Service was treating patients.
He faced disciplinary action.
But after 24 years working with the Tavistock, Dr Bell, a former President of the British Psychoanalytic Society, has recently retired, and in his first television interview since then, he began by outlining his worries about the service.
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My friend detransitioned 3 years ago after being wrongly prescribed puberty blockers at only 15. She is now infertile and suffers from severe depression as a result. She’s had zero support. She’s only 22 and told me she feels like her life is destroyed. I’m glad others are speaking out about this abuse.
That’s incredibly sad but puberty blockers don’t usually cause infertility?
Also if she feels she needs support it would be good if she asks her GP to get a round of counselling (and whatever other support she needs)
@@Bringon-dw8dx Yes , they can cause it . The earlier and the longer they are given the more risky they are .
@@TheMaru666
I haven’t found any studies to suggest puberty blockers cause infertility so I would be interested where you got this information?
With regards to the other risks, yes they increase the longer a child is on them however they aren’t meant to be a long term solution anyway, and the risks can be dramatically reduced with management (for example bone protection to prevent a huge reduction in bone density)
@@Bringon-dw8dx you're wrong. Puberty blockers alone should not affect fertility, but hormone therapy can.
@@JH-vy7uy that’s literally what I just said- I think you misread my comments
I am a psychologist and I am gay. I completely agree with dr. Bell that these blockers should not be given to under 16 year olds. If we have to choose even only one reason, as he mentioned too, many children with ASD have a commorbid gender dysphoria condition and hence how do you know the change that is sought for by the patient is not a result of something different. It does not mean that people are transphobic, I certainly am not, it means that we are protecting the most vulnerable part of this population.
There also seems to be a high rate of PDs amongst these teens but all the focus is on GD?
Social contagion via the internet is playing a huge part in this too.
@@primrosemorgan3235 I looked up PD and found references to Pupillary Distance. That may not be what you mean?
@@ViscountVile look for it in the context of mental health. My comment keeps getting deleted and I believe it may be because of PD.
Studies show the parents also have PDs usually.
They don’t want to hear that though. All they want is their way. Doesn’t matter who they impact in their pursuits.
This is what happens when body dysmorphia becomes normalised and speaking out ideas "against it" becomes demonised.
That is exactly what it is Body dysmorphia!
Dr Bell's concerns are also being echoed by others in the medical profession. Children clearly cannot give informed consent and shouldn't be prescribed 'experimental' puberty blockers. Nor should they have been 'rushed through' the process, as identified by the High Court. An informative interview which we should all learn from.
They arnt experimental? And noone is being rushed? He must surely be aware of the waitlists and the assesment period itself can take years. Its the one of the slowest systems in the world and is risking lives.
IMPRINT read the Keira Bell judgement.
@@imprint2030 Yes they are. There is no evidence to suggest that giving children off license Triptorelin improves physical or psychological outcomes for gender dysphoric children. The Tavistock's own report started in 2011 found *no* psychological benefits whatsoever. The long term physical effects remain unknown, hence it is medical experimentation. The Tavistock failed to produce their report - or any other evidence - in court citing Covid delays, and then released it two weeks following the hearing.
Wait times do not equate rushed treatments. Wait times only add to pressure on services, which means the treatments are even more likely to be rushed through. Therefore, children are fast tracked onto the medical transition route rather than to longer term psychological therapy with a watch and wait approach.
@@imprint2030 She. Keira is female. And the young man with the bow in his hair is a male. This will never change, no matter what mutilating surgeries he undertakes.
@theastrogherkin Your mouth to the Goddess's ears.
If only all medical professionals working in this area were nearing retirement and not afraid to speak out like him. Dr. Bell speaks the truth.
this is the reason we retire people. everyone has a built in obsolescence and men in particular deal badly with that feeling of being less important as younger doctors replace them and implement their vision. most people's opinions have a best before date after which they stink. it is a sign of negative growth in a human being. not something to be praised.
@@deefjohnholler I think you'll find a lot of the younger doctors have exactly the same opinion as him, just aren't able to speak out.
Real doctors at last with no hidden agenda. Brilliant
He should have spoke out much sooner! 15 years he gave these meds to children. 15 YEARS!!!!!
15 years he knowingly gave poison to children...he belongs in prison...
Now that HE has made his money to retire off the torture AND mutilation of young children he wants to come forward and speak out??? Too little too late.
These drugs the doctors are prescribing children were developed in 1920-1930's for RAPISTS, CHILD MOLESTERS and PAEDOPHILES- to stop them from experiencing sexual arousal/ desire... there wasn't much testing done as no one cared IF the paedophile was harmed by taking them (quite frankly they preferred it)....the testes and ovaries shrink - they shrivel up like raisins, usually withing the first 30 days to 3 months of taking them. The damage is permanent and rightly so as many paedophiles and rapists stop taking them after treatment or jail sentences are completed. This ensured they would not physically be able to harm children again.
I was given one of the drugs which is most popular for hormone blockers given today to children. - LUPRON DEPOT- a lutenizing hormone blocker.
I was told it wasn't dangerous. It wouldn't be permanent, have zero side effects and give my uterus and ovaries a break as I had a severe case of endometriosis with endometrial lining found at the top of my thigh muscle, mixed throughout my torso and even around my lower left lung. This tissue acted as if it were inside my uterus preparing for a baby each month which created tons of internal bleeding, discomfort and scar tissue...it was only supposed to be for 3 months to give everything a rest and then do a laparoscopy exploratory look around...a day surgery...well, I had to be gutted like a Christmas turkey! My 45 minute surgery took 8 hrs! I had to have a complete hysterectomy! ( they preformed multiple surgeries trying to save one piece of an ovary ) and other organs were effected by the hormone blockers...my body has been a mess ever since...I can not fathom WHY these doctors are giving these drugs to children!
This should be a crime ! It breaks my heart
Kids aren't even allowed to have alcohol, drugs, tattoos or even give sexual consent. So why would allowing them to decide to everlastingly change their biology as a teenager be a good idea?
Agreed. This is ridiculous. At best the onus should be on the parents.
Absolutely. It would be classed as child abuse if you helped a child do any of those things!
The left were warned, they push for stupid stuff and censor the people that understand how wrong it is
Yep and even some of those 18-20yr olds later in life ( and some not that long after ) regret having a tattoo !
@theastrogherkin I'm to stupid to understand what you said but I agree
When African culture practice female circumcision, its reported as a horrific practice.
However transition, which is far more than just circumcision, it's presented as choice!
And when some Orthodox Jewish women and Muslim women objected to the presence of male-bodied people in women's only, the wokerati showed their "tolerance" by telling them they have to unlearn their bias and that transwomen are women.
Yeah because many trans kids do choose to transition. There are some people who regret it but there are so many for whom it's a voluntary and well reflected decision.
Double standards
@@slavicecstaticdefiant6986 yep, showing what this is really all about. notice it's people who are very comfortable with using slurs to put people in 'their place'...
@@lucam9806 Yeah because you are groomed by this lunacy that is a transgenderism as a child. Do you like playing with dolls? You might actually be a girl! Are you attracted to same sexed peers? You can be a girl to normalize your sexuality! Now I have to ask you this question. Do you think it's okay to perform female genital mutilation if the girls "choose" to get FGM for god forsaken reasons?
The Tavistock must be shut down.
We won. It is now closed down.
Interesting that they can put out a statement but can't provide someone in person to defend it. Cowards.
you say this from behind a faceless profile picture? coward. you reserve the right to privacy that you do not allow for others? that is called a double standard, or hypocrisy.
also, have you any idea how busy real medical professionals are at the moment? anyone in the medical profession who has time to do media performances is not doing their job.
also, given the hate speech and transphobia online and in person it is not even safe for people who work in this field to be exposed. like doctors who provide abortions, they receive death threats and abuse via social media and have their home addresses published online and their families threatened.they dont need the publicity like this guy wants it.
@@deefjohnholler yes, because Norman here is a huge organisation that is using public money to give children life altering drugs.
They are understaffed and now it's just gonna get worse and worse
@@Mattchupichue what with staff leaving because of the worries about experimenting on children, and them being rated inadequate by the CQC, and them losing the KeiraBell case, I do think less people will want to work there.
@@deefjohnholler If you check the facts, Dr Bell retired recently. He now feels free to speak, as is his right. The OP here is no more nor less anonymous than anyone else, & is also free to speak. Spitting out that silly word 'transphobia' is not going to silence anyone. It should be obvious by now: this tactic doesn't work.
The NHS is publicly funded and as such whatever personal perspective is held by individuals, services provided by the NHS at whatever Trust has to prove to the paying public that it acts for the benefit of its patients. If Tavistock is unable to keep/provide rigorous clinical information/data and follow up on its own patients then it is negligent and failing those patients. Therefore it should not be allowed to provide any such service regardless of political leanings or ideology etc.
Well said!
Tavistock sounded familiar and now I remember they're also known for holding seminars on such illuminating topics as "Whiteness - A problem for our time".
It’s a cult.
Clumsy wording perhaps, but white supremacy is a real thing.
spectator DOT co DOT uk/article/the-vindication-of-the-tavistock-whistleblowers
I wonder who's paying for it.
@@gee_emm Not in Britain
Keira is a hero! Thank you for fighting for yourself, as well as all girls and women pushed into this dangerous methodology.
Not so sure since there are number of reasons why trans would regret choice they made since it could be due to the anti-trans they get and not get accepted.
@@run2cat4run Let me assure you, as a Lesbian, that she is very much accepted by us. Whether the rest of the world is still quite Homophobic towards Lesbians - well, what do you think "trans" methodology is all about? It's always popular to hate women, especially those who neither need nor want males.
@@jonquiljones what’s your point? I never said the world accept gays, bi and lesbian, I’m focus on the topic of trans.
@@run2cat4run And I'm telling you that "trans" is in direct opposition to the rights of Lesbians and Gays not to endure forced conversion therapy. Think about this - "Trans" is popular in Iran, where people are not allowed to be Gay. Now, why would this be?
@@jonquiljones we not in Iran, we in UK
This trans stuff has been going on for so long now and this is first person I've ever heard talking sense about it
Dr bell spittin nothin but facts
Dr Bell speaks very eloquently. The court has also spoken very loudly indeed and since the judgement, more and more information is coming to light about the lack of evidence for these treatments for under 18s and under 16s in particular. Any appeal by the Tavistock will have to include powerful evidence which reverses at least 15 years of poor practice in order to convince the court to change its decision. That is a very high bar indeed.
The "Evidence Based Social Work Alliance" (acronymdotorg) has been formed to help provide a new professional perspective on the issue of childhood gender dysphoria.
Kiera Bell, you're an amazing woman !! Well done on standing up for yourself and thank you for pushing your case forward. You are an inspiration.
If someone is under 18 they should be given counselling only. Under 18 is too young for medical treatment. It is a very important decision, and I would advise people to wait until the age of 21 for surgery.
If you've gone through puberty once 1. It's psychologically damaging to have to live as the wrong gender for years. 2. there are effects that cannot be undone. Puberty blockers can postpone that decision until the person is old enough to know for sure how they want to live.
Sorry I would not give treatment to a person under 18. I think they are too young, as I said. They are called teenagers, not adults.
They may feel mature, but are not. When you are older, you realise that you were not as mature as you thought. I think young people need to be protected. The ones who have regretted the decision will have years of misery. Twenty one is not old. You may have many years of life, and at least you would have made a decision as an adult, not teenager.
@@lucam9806 Nobody lives as the 'wrong gender' anymore than someone who experiences 'past life regression' lives as the wrong Napoleon
25 more like it.
@@JohnSmith-iu3ui Absolutely!
Too much importance has been placed on gender, so much so that defining gender is fashionable. Surely the message should be its not the highest quality characteristic that a normal non narcissistic person would want to convey. Stop being so self absorbed, you could use your life to help people not waste everones time being confused about who you are.
That's incredibly easy for a CIS person to say. But imagine if you were a person whose identity is greatly defined by the gender that you are perceived to be, yet you do not believe that you match the gender that you externally appear to be. Perhaps you might consider it to be an important issue? Do you spend most of your recreational time with other males? What about when you are seekiing emotional support? Gender has a significant impact upon your daily life.
That said, I do agree with you, that gender has become fashionable, along with grievance competitiveness.
@@Martial-Mat No ones identity should be defined by gender. Gender is not what makes someone a good person or a capable person or a positive influence.
@@DigitalBuoy Try going out dressed as the opposite gender for a month and let me know how important gender is to you.
@@Martial-Mat Seeing most people have more important concerns than 'gender' (whatever!) why would we care what an 'opposite' is? Or who decides what 'dress'? I'm torn between T-shirt and jeans, and T-shirt and jeans, just thinking about this! If deciding what to wear is your biggest problem, lucky you!
@@crumblyduckling403 Yes, MOST people do, because it's not part of their lived experience. If you are of procreation age and I cut your testicles or ovaries off, then say to you "most people have more important concerns than absent body parts" how much would the concerns of other people matter to you? To YOU it is a life defining change. The fact is, to some people who believe they are trans, this issue is a critical component in their existence to such a degree that they sometimes kill themselves over it (and others kill them coincidentally), and anyone dismissing that because it's not important to THEM shows a narcissistic lack of empathy.
Letting any person who spent only 1-3% of their total life spent on Earth make a decision that is IRREVERSIBLE, with full support of ATTENTION SEEKING Adults should be banned. And who ever say its okay to feed a 5 year old puberty blockers or hormon alteration medication should be punish with firing squad !
I identified as a pair of curtains until my doctor told me to pull myself together
😂😂
I kept sleeping underneath my bed. The doctor said I must be a little potty
I went back identifying as a carrot. He said don't get yourself in a stew. .....
This morning, I identified as a sheep. The doctor said that's too baaaaad
So funny. Has any of you ever spoken to a trans person? They aren't doing it for attention. It's literally their gender. You probably knew your gender at 16 years old. So why shouldn't a trans person? Try to imagine what it feels like. There's so much hate associated with being trans, nobody would do this without having thought about it thoroughly. Even at a young age.
@@lucam9806 thats the funniest joke yet
Lesson *Be who you are, love who you are.* If you learn to play the cards you were dealt, your victory will be that much greater. Because one you go down that road, you can't come back.
Gender dysphoria is very much a problem, but the solution is not gender transition/hormone treatment/etc. The solution is proper psychological help to bring them to feel comfortable in their own current bodies, and gender.
That’s the same as gay conversion therapy... trans people have been a thing since before Roman era it isn’t new.
Adults should be able to be free to make the decision to transition if they want to - it’s a free society whether you think their choice is the right choice for them. Having said that people shouldn’t be able to transition until 18 years old. Puberty blockers are totally wrong.
@@hugster2000 ngl but it needs to be 16, the UK is so bad on trans issues that some people have claimed asylum in New Zealand cause of how bad trans rights are here.
Arjun Sriram Your position is completely anti trans.
@@gee_emm I don't think so - Arjun is referring to people with gender dysphoria, and something like 80% of them don't opt to transition. Transitioning is clearly a very formidable decision, so if people receive non-medical help and are happy with the outcome, that has to be better than them becoming trans.
I’ll take “duh” for $800 Alex
My elderly mother has suffered for two months with a blocked ear that is an infection risk. The glorious NHS refuse to treat it and all private facilities are closed. Clearly however the glorious NHS still has ample resources for child mutilation.
so she needs her ear syringed? during a once in a century pandemic and a national vaccination program? dont you think that is more likely to be the reason she is waiting? not a priority is it? nothing to do with the last 10 years of tory economics and the fact that the UK now has 2 covid viruses and the highest mortality rate per capita in the world?
is it because you voted tory and are incapable of holding them to account because it reflects badly on your own politics? the NHS has been critically neglected in the last decade. trans services have a waiting list of 3 years for a life saving therapy. i am sorry your mum has a blocked ear. she wont die and she wont be judged or shamed over how she uses the NHS.
the NHS BTW is a socialist health policy. free at the point of service. you dont get to gatekeep who uses it or how. if you have a problem with socialist healthcare. go private. thanks.
@@deefjohnhollerIt's not due to the pandemic. The NHS decision to stop treating blocked ears was taken a couple of years ago, despite the suffering and infection risk arising from the condition.
PS - I'm a Socialist.
@@benbow7 a lot of GP’s actually still do it, if not there are an ABUNDANCE of private clinics that will do it.
I’m sorry but right now a blocked ear simply isn’t a priority. Because of doctors being redeployed there are a number of FAR more important procedures that haven’t been done
Also on a personal note you can buy a number of home remedies online that can be quite good. I’ve find using the candles to remove wax from my uncles ear has worked wonders
Tavistock is closed.
May God have Mercy on you...LEAVE OR CHILDREN ALONE!!!!! WAKE UP
I awoke as a woke, from a girl to a bloke. Not getting my icklecwickle way it has made me choke. Mummy and daddy earn lots and lots but the NHS will pay for what seemed a good idea on that day, whilst the NHS are broke I’ll remain a bloke but remain a woke and continue to choke hip hip hip hip hooray. Society gone mad again !
Modern-day lobotomy.
Fabrizio How? The blockers are not even permanent and the number that regret transitioning is less than 0.5%.
@@gee_emm false & false. You could watch the video, of course.
@@RogerDubar This is where I got my info:
th-cam.com/video/6Avcp-e4bO/w-d-xo.html
It’s a long video, but is well researched and cites credible sources.
Where did you get your info? If you have good data, please share it! Why assume I didn’t watch this video? It’s less than 8 minutes long! A bit rude really...
@@gee_emm video not available.
@@lini9776 ‘Responding to JK Rowlings Essay: Is it anti -trans?’ Is the title. The channel name is Jammidoger.
Edit; the 0.5% I was quoting does not refer to regretting transition, but to de-transitioning. Just wanted to clarify that!
Nobody knows what those so-called puberty blockers will do to children's body's
Actually, by now they have a lot of data based on de-transitioners feedback. And it is obvious how harmful puberty blockers are. These children will most likely be infertile and live a shorter life than they should have, with lifelong medication and suffering from several health issues. 😔
Wrong side of history?
He's a medical expert, not a politician. This woman sounds insane, sometimes.
Hurray for Dr Bell!
I support Keira Bell!
make the age 22
You can vote at 18, stupid, but 21 is recognised as the age of maturity but the process should only start there.
@@bostonblackie9503 neuroscientists have evidence that supports the fact that the brain isn’t fully developed until around 25. There’s some merit to the idea that the brain shouldn’t be stunted while it’s still growing and developing.
Kudos to Dr David Bell!
18 or nuttin. This is a battle they won't win
I bet they're gonna close the comment section
maybe not if they had him on in the first place. I think the ship is turning around in the UK...
this topic has become cmso controversial that there are no statistics about detransitioned people. How science is going to do its work if it can't collect data
More and more de-transitioners share their experience. I think there is already significant data to prove that hormones and surgeries cannot cure mental illnesses. They can only satisfy delusions and deepen cognitive dissonance. (Some trans people say, they know they won't live long this way, but at least they did not ki** themselves already because of their dysphoria, which is a mental illness and may have been cured with methods other than hormones and mutilation.)
So Do All Teenagers .Struggle
Always been the same..it's called
Hormones...NORMAL....GO ON
TO be Heterosexual Healthy Parents..
6:00 is all the info you need to hear.
They were trying to create a culture of fear where standing up for children was labelled 'transphobic'. Thanks for drawing attention to it, it's sinister AF. No doctor or teacher or parent should ever face legal action for protecting children. Leave those kids alone.
have tons of appointments prove your life story beg for puberty blockers then blame them for giving them to you come on take responsibility for your own actions really blockers are reversable suicide isnt x
So are they just bypassing the parents? If parents approved and the clinic makes them sign a release and hold harmless agreement the kids would have to sue their parents. This is ridiculous. They should fire whoever gave them business advice. They left themselves wide open to be sued. The decision should be in the hands of the parents if the child is a minor and a long significant mental health journey should be taken before treatment is approved.
Yes they want children to be effectively direct clients and argue that children should have bodily autonomy
@@brittanydawn2633 Yup. They try to make kids believe they are never too young to consent - to anything.
Evil agenda
NHS is fights CV-19,with every man of the last.
I want to be like Captain America, when will the NHS Fund the Super Soldier serum for me?
lady, you just watched too many super hero movies.
So because one kid, Keira Bell, got misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria - all the kids that legitimately have it now have to suffer immensely? This is a really stupid ruling.
All this just to tell kids that they are too young to make permanent decisions
Nope, it is not just 'one kid', there are hundreds - hundreds of people that have had their breasts cut off, their genitals mutilated and who were left with significant heath conditions as a result of Tavistock and GIDS.
Yep what a stupid ruling. You can’t legally drink till you 18 but it’s ok for children to take drugs that will cause irreversible damage to them. Because as child you can fully make those life changing choices that we have a effect for ever at 14
The only people who will be on the wrong side of history on this issue, will be the clowns that thought it was ok to destroy children's future chance at parenting a child , destroy their ability to breast feed, destroy their sexual organs and urinary tract. Future generations will hate you.
Well said Dr Bell 👏
You are an eternal being of luminous starfire living in a physical cocoon.
This whole trans nonsense is completely wrong from a medical point of view. People are making huge sums of money out of the misery of children.
100%
The problem of transitioning kids who are not actually dysmorphic, is that it also keeps those away who ACTUALLY have it. It hurts everyone. Sad.
They shouldn't be transferring either. It is not legitimate medicine. It is barbaric & harmful even to those who want it.
Tavistock & Eugenics - know your history
Mother nature will eventually make it known when we take medical advancement too far when it is in direct conflict with nature itself.
She was a cute little girl. Well done she is fighting so nobody goes to what she went though without being very sure of the consequences as it is not reversible. At least not fully in many cases.
The last statement by the NHS is a load of twoddle: they were proven to be the contrary (per the official review) which is why they were shut down.
They got god panishment
Did ch4 even mention the closure???
Do these people ever go through therapy that makes them actually accept themselves? It seems they have a one size fit approach to all people suffering from gender disphoria. What about people who blame themselves for being raped and have gender disphoria because of that
The waiting list is so long because it's overwhelmingly social contagion - perhaps 0.01% of the population genuinely need this kind of help. The majority of these kids don't have typical gender dysphoria, hence all the detransitioners starting to come out. They were neve "trans" at all. The activists and lobby groups have created an overburdened service so stifled by fear that doctors are scared for their jobs if they do not automatically affirm the child. Now the Tavistock is closing in Spring 2023 due to "safety fears".
He's great. A man with courage, integrity and intelligence.
So refreshing to hear sanity spoken. Love hearing the clinic response from last year knowing they were just shut down.
Groomers
🤦♂️
You just know with a name like Lui Asquith, this is someone had no grasp on reality.
Why is Little Mermaids not yet shut down.
Nobody should be transitioning & some of these doctors & therapists need to go to prison.
Yes they do need jail
Me No Like!!! 🤨
A small win for humanity but they won't stop coming for your kids
This coverage is really irresponsible. There's a lot of misinformation about, and this seems to be going completely unchallenged. Puberty blockers are not hormones (and children under the age of 16 are not given hormones). They just delay the onset of puberty, so young people don't find themselves growing breasts or their voices breaking. This can often save them a lot of serious surgery if they do go on to transition when they are old enough to consent, and if they don't end up doing that, puberty resumes as normal once they stop taking the blockers. This isn't widespread knowledge, and it's leading to a very fact-free debate, where many people believe hormones and surgeries are being administered to minors. Outlets like CH4 really need to make these things clear, as otherwise viewers unfamiliar with these issues may get the wrong idea
high court please consider blockers thank you x
She would have sued if they didn't give them. Can't win with people like this.
How do you know that?
@@lini9776 because it's happened many times before. They wanted them, they should accept responsibility. Or send them the bill.
@@jpw6893 do you have any examples?
@Neil Booth all what are the same?
@@lini9776 do your own research or pay me
Soooo what you’re saying is Channel Four is now transphobic.... I mean if you call Jordan Peterson one for questioning this nonsense.
How? Where is the transphobia?
@Charlie Francis I hope so. There are a few people here saying this is transphobic.
@@lini9776 it was sarcasm Lini.
0.5 percent are disapointed 46 percenr attempt suicide you make the choice x
I can't comment on transgender people and their situations because each individual are different I have a lot of respect for them for it must be very painful to feel like you're in the wrong body and no one to listen to you I can only see this befree with who you are have the courage to take the next step on your journey to completion of yourself and your happiness I am a gay woman who knew a transgender person a girl translation engine into a boy and honestly it was one of the bravest things I have ever seen as we have the same religious Foster mum who refused to call him by his proper name and refer to him by his female phone him but I think is disgusting but there you go be proud of who you are is not conversion therapy they are men and women and their 60s and 50s just been given the chance now to transition because they're youth it wasn't acceptable
No one is born in the wrong body. Some people may have trauma and psychological or psychiatric issues that need psychotherapy or psychiatric intervention, NOT physical medical interventions, on healthy physical tissues and organs
Have you ever heard of a full stop or a comma?
Hey so are you guys going to interview someone from mermaids? Or are you just covering one side of this issue?
This doctor said a number of things which were misleading or factually incorrect. Specifically that there is no evidence for blockers helping, which there is in fact an abundance of.
Why Mermaids? They're a gender lobby group with no medical staff? What's your source for your abundance of evidence?
What do puberty blockers help to do - apart, that is, from retarding young people's normal physical development?
Mermaids are not medical professionals.
Why would they interview someone from a psychopathic group like that?
this is disgusting, inferring the same ignorance that sexuality and gender are the same: 'young gender-nonconforming girls can become lesbians' - I think there's a reason he had a disciplinary! It totally erases the experience of the vast majority of young Trans* people. I'm glad that the comments on this video reflect similar ignorance of the issues - can always go to TH-cam for clear and insightful thoughts
The point is that many young lesbians just working out their sexuality and coming to terms with a changing body and sudden harrassment from creepy adult men are finding themselves pushed towards the idea that they might be "stuck in the wrong body". When they really might just need talking therapy, some lesbian role models and time to accept themselves (as we all do in puberty), instead they are told their bodies are wrong and medicated. Lots of detransitioners have expressed those sentiments - the blatant homophobia of gender ideology is not an issue that can be ignored.
His views are backed up by many studies.
@@Grace-xb7nm I'd be very interested to know if he would have said that with support, many boys would become gay men - considering the substantial proportion of those who become trans who identify as lesbians.
@@ViscountVile did you miss the part where he said 35-40% of the children are on the Autistic spectrum in addition to psychologically traumatised children being transitioned and not receiving psychological support for these conditions?
@@brittanydawn2633 I didn't miss that part. I'm not taking issue with anything he said, but in view if his experience and expertise, I'm genuinely interested whether he feels there are major differences between girls and boys suffering from GD.
it isnt juat tavistock appealing its leeds teaching hospital and ucl teaching hospital why would such renowned trusts risk their whole reputation backing something so harmful? this issue has been presented to us by the media in a very shameful way on the whole this clickbait interview is one particularly nasty example.
Have you read the judgement?
@@lini9776 yes and it is a mess not least because of the chilling effect it has on people with gender dysphoria and how they will see this as an attack. the ruling is far too generalised and contradicts other areas of law where each case is decided individually not x is of a certain age and so y. the way this trust has been demonised is ridiculous as if they were just running around shooting children up without continual psychological and medical guidance and assessment. the data is unambiguous it shows blockers add immense quality of life and stop attempted suicide and descent into depression it reduces dysphoria significantly and that there is no regret from transitioning.
@@ac1dP1nk that is a complete lie. Everything g you said is false. Alison has posted the link to the judgement, read it. Read how there is no data to show that puberty blockers have any positive affect (the court was shocked). Read how Tavistock don’t keep adequate records, read how many times “lack of evidence” pops up where the Tavistock is concerned. The prosecution on the other hand had a lot of robust evidence. This is why the court ruled the way it did. Ad this is why the Tavistock had just been rated Inadequate by the CQC in its recent inspection. They are experimenting on children, and not even keeping records on it. It’s extremely dodgy.
I was born a man but I identify as a lesbian female
I'm old enough to remember when that was an old, bad joke. It still is, young wokedy-wokes notwithstanding.
@theastrogherkin I do identify as a woman
@theastrogherkin my partner was born a woman, she is a lesbian and in a lesbian relationship with me
@@barringtonedwards2166 alright troll :D
@@lini9776 you’re a homophobic
I think more children should be given drugs
There is a difficult balancing act here, some trans-children haven't been given the pre-medical care to prepare them for life in another gender. Yeah it sucks having to wait some 2 years to get hormones, even more so when your don't want to go through a natural puberty indifferent to the one you feel.
The role of blockers are to give you the time to decide, simply delaying your natural puberty. The issue is more the underfunding and in some cases hassled into moving onto hormones or you miss your turn.Very long wait times young people have to deal with. As an adult, it's still stressful, but your about more adept to the wait times. But remember, there are some trans-children + adults) who have committed suicide because of gender dysphoria. If there were more rights (eg.legal passport genders) for nonconforming identities, this may take some of the phycological and emotional strain off teenagers, for whom puberty can be a scary time.
What the Tavistock NHS trust was doing, wasn't necessary unethical, but they possibly failed to grasp that children aren't a one size fits all. For some puberty blockers, may save lives or at least allow a fuller grasp of what they are heading for. But given the huge numbers of cases on 2010 funding, a transphobic right-wing media (despite trans rights generally improving), and in some ways criticism from the left for anything that can be misconstrued as criticism.
Gender dysphoria is an illness that requires scientific, phycological and ethical discussion. But don't delay too much, as many teenagers may resort to ordering drugs from less reputable sources, with little oversight and phycological care.
Gender dysphoria cases in recent years are thought of as a 21st century endemic, in reality it was present for much longer. It is only recently being trans or nonconforming has been less stigmatized in the West, with increasingly equal rights with social and political trans/nonconforming voices.
There is the issue that Keira Bells lawyer has worked for some evangelical groups, They're anti abortion, anti gay marriage. This case is part of pushing a right wing agenda.
The role of hormone blockers is not 'simply' to delay natural puberty. We have virtually no idea what the long-term effects of giving hormone blockers to children are.
@@Graysonn1 nope. Read the judgement. Read how many times the court was surprised that Tavistock didn’t record (just one example) how many patients also had autism. Read how many times it was iterated that they had no clue what the long term consequences of puberty blockers were. Read how they admit that there is no evidence to suggest that puberty blockers increase mental well-being. Read what a scandal this is.
@@julianhartley7581 Well, they are used to stall premature puberty. And many activists think that because of that, it is completely safe to use them to delay regular puberty.
Just wondering when they'll have all the other doctors from Tavistock to provide balance to Dr. Bell. This is like hearing from a climate sceptic but not hearing from all the other scientists.
I disagree with puberty blockers, but you make a fair point. Unless of course, THE TAVISTOCK are the climate deniers. Judging by one of the comments above, they seem very ideologically driven. Sometimes there are not two rational sides of an argument.
You could read the Keira Bell v Tavistock judgement. It has a lot of information (including the lack of evidence from the Tavistock) that would be useful.
Also, 35 psychologists resigned from the Tavistock in a 3 year period because they had similar concerns.
They can't provide any evidence because there isn't any. See the judgment.
@Charlie Francis yes, he is one of them.
The non conforming lesbian comments sound very anti trans.
How so? Many studies show that if allowed to go through puberty they will then realise they’re homosexual.
@@lini9776 I’d love to see those studies, as that is not what we are hearing from trans people. I think it is dangerous to trans people to conflate being trans with being gay. And further more, delaying puberty does not mean it is completely prevented, it is merely delayed.
@@gee_emm TH-cam is not allowing me to post links, so search “Research evidence: most gender dysphoric children grow up to be gay or lesbian”. It should take you to a 4th wave now article, with many links to studies.
By that logic, homophobic conversion therapy sounds very pro-trans
@@brittanydawn2633 I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.
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