This is me!! pt 2. lloyd didnt mention but im not an expert, just a humble fan of lindybeige that also happens to study and teach beginner classes in Shastar Vidiya.
Hell yeah! Thanks for introducing us to the wonderful world of Indian martial arts. I don't know why it never occurred to me to look this shit up XD I guess next on the list for me will be mesoamerican and african martial arts.
I can see how a hooked blade would be a useful implement for traversing thick african jungles as well. I would be more interested in their hand to hand combat though honestly.
Thanks for the video! I love to see different martial arts and this is a very different take on fighting than I’m used to. I can see how it would be effective in battle, especially in a hot climate!
roughly 6 years, and prior to this I'd been studying martial arts for about decade. mainly wing chun and boxing but also dabbled in other martial arts throughout my school and college years
+A law The Wing Chun background shined through! 😉 For how long have you practiced Indian Martial Arts? Do you teach or recommend a certain teacher for private lessons?
GorillaGuerilla In the first form the punches look very similar to wing chun, the only real difference is power generation. I've been doing Shastar Vidiya for roughly 6 years and teach beginner classes in south west london. There's another class (also suitable for beginners) in hammersmith masbro centre Check out our facebook page facebook.com/shastarvidiya
Fun Fact shaolin Kung fu was founded by Indian monk 'Bodhidharma' who renounced his royal life as a king to become a buddhist monk.He was also the abbot of Shaolin Temple at a time.
Ah- but given your spelling we can assume you are not English. Perhaps you need to be English to appreciate the great untapped potential of the beige- designed for faking being mild and non-threatening .
Sox you can get in beige so I'm going yes on the sox, no on the underwear. Now, I'm sure someone at some point has made some beige underwear but it's not a really common thing. So, unless he really goes out of his way, I doubt it.
I would love to see more of these, maybe with a little demonstration of the teacher showing us how a professional would do it. You know, just to see how amazingly fast of a learner Lindy is :P
So great that you're covering this. Indian martial arts are very interesting, intimidating, and not very well covered on TH-cam. They seem extremely appropriate for engaging several opponents at the same time. Looking forward to seeing more!
Your videos really are pleasure to watch and listen to, I hope you find lasting joy in creating them as they really are beneficial in terms of knowledge and entertainment.
I love that you're becoming like Floyd. 10 minutes somewhere and already you're demonstrating how to cook their food and presenting it to their chefs :))
The drop and flick at about 6:30 could also help explain the shape of the pommels on Indian swords that Matt Easton has been trying to figure out. Interesting how body mechanics work.
you have learnt from a real master..the others is GM Yuli Romo and Soufian..understand the principles, other more intellectual arts is wingchun and russian systema..
You are incorrect about the Wing Chun punch. A proper Wing Chun punch thrown without the arm muscles engaged, you only engage them at the last moment before impact and then release them immediately to keep the energy from your punch in the target instead of allowing it to be transferred back into your arm. It's a core WC principle that your arm from your fist to elbow is a blade of grass and from your elbow to your shoulder an iron bar. This technique is typically the first one you learn because every technique (Tan sao, Bong sao, Lap sao, etc etc) are punches at their core. That's why the hanging wall bag is used extensively in WC training. The goal is to be able to punch the bag and have it be bouncing off of the wall after each punch thus showing you are not allowing the energy to escape back into your fist (if you don't engage and disengage your muscles correctly the bag won't bounce). Thanks Loyd and keep your amazing content coming!!
I quite like this as a method of punching - I've a mobility disability which prohibits me throwing a punch in the traditional western style, but that concept would allow me to throw a punch and not break myself
A martial art designed for formation conflict against another formation isn't a good self defence martial art in the modern world. Who would have thunk it! Thank you arm chair warriors for explaining this to me.
And he found the monks there to be fat and lazy so he designed a set of exercises based on animals which eventually became a set of martial arts. AT least that is how the story goes.
Lindy, you should do more videos like this! it was a great watch, as well as your follow up video to this. Really enjoyable and i'd love to see more videos with a similar theme
Loyd I am a huge fan. Love the fact that you are branching out and showing us something unusual, as well as actually demonstrating a technique, which is unusual for your channel, but again really nice change. I am frustrated however that we did not see a demonstration of the techniques by the expert. It would have still been great to see you learning and demonstrating the technique, just perhaps alongside and instructed by the expert. Thanks!
The real deal..most asian martial arts believe to stem from old india, with their adjustments to body, weapons and terrain..well done niko on intellect trumping over the plenty of martial artists..there is much you can learn from this fellow and his teacher to then bring up wingchun to this..principles are principles..then there are no rules, like you pointed out in your dance of lindyhop..something which many boxed in martial artists fail to understand from HEMA to kungfu..congrats !
Seconded. Lloyd, Karate is A japanese martial art taken from Okinawa (possibly it should be considered an Okinawan martial art, but this is a sensitive issue I don't know enough to speak on)
Ross Ramsay You are not mistaken. Karate is indeed an Okinawan martial art. Of course, in the early XX century it spread to mainland Japan through masters like Funakoshi Gichin and Mabuni Kenwa. However, wether it was lack of study or lack of understanding, in that transfer many techniques and aspects of the original art got lost. That resulted in creating distinct Japanese styles of karate which are different both in terms of practice and in terms of goals which they aim to achieve compared to their Okinawan counterparts.
Gentlemen. I think Lloyd is saying that it is *used* as an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts. Not necessarily that it is correct. The fact that he said "all the chinese martial arts" and "Japanese martial arts" and "the Japanese ones" gives away his sentiment. Listen again.
Seconded again. But to be fair, it's true that Karate is a very broad term in the same way that Kung Fu is. It's just not quite broad enough to cover ALL Japanese martial arts. For instance, most styles involving weapons, and most styles with a heavy emphasis on grappling are not karate.
I would use it as an umbrella term, bearing in mind I have close to 0 knowledge on the subject; a bad case of "the general public-is" I'm afraid (or maybe "jutsu" but I wouldn't be comfortable with that term either)
This form of thinking remind me alot of Jeet kune do...where it isnt about ridgid thinking, its about taking advantage of what you can do best in the situation your in to fight someone. like if your on a muddy area you dont thrrow sweeping kicks cause youll be on your ass...but also if you find that they are wearing chest protection you target the arms and face and if wearing a helmet you attack the limbs...not adhearing to a closed minded style its about using all the styles to your advantage and using what works..I like it..Im sure Bruce Lee woulda loved to study this also.
Interesting style of fighting, are you going to be studying it Lloyd? It'd be interesting to see you do more. little interesting fact I just found out, the last Sikh warrior Nidar Singh Nihang (86), who has spent his life learning Sanatan Shastar Vidiya, lives in Wolverhampton. :)
Iam by far not an expert martial artist, but i love experimenting on the heavybag and with my friends and i notice something funny, without real formal training just by trying we arrived at the same principals and body mechanics. seems like a very instinctive thing to do once you notice the boxers punch breaks your head wen hitting something hard
I've noticed that some prominent of Boxers utilize this bag like motion in some of there more relaxed rendition for jabs. Pawing Jabs, flicker Jabs, it's very different in spirit from your normal jabs, and this captures that perfectly. Thank for shining light on this ancient method
Very interesting. The technique is clearly suited to a curved blade. It's interesting to speculate whether the energy philosophy carried through to the sport of Cricket. The classic "Indian" batting technique is usually described with "wristy" flowing strokes, and finesse shoots like the leg glance or fine cut.
A few people already mentioned the "karate is not an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts" bit, but I didn't notice anyone mentioning the proper ones: Generally seems to be Budo (Martial Way) for modern martial arts (and/or when adding flim flam to the mental side) and Bujutsu (Martial Arts/Skills/Techniques), though the latter also occasionally includes military strategy as well. Compare and contrast for example Kendo (modern fencing with limited application to real life sword fighting) and Kenjutsu (actual swordfighting), Judo (modern sport that's heavily formalized and stripped down from its origins, though still effective if used right) and Jujutsu (any number of old hand to hand fighting styles including punches, kicks, throws, locks, grappling, etc.) and so on.
Loyd, i do not know which wing tsun you learned, but these snap punches, which are stopped to PREVENT damage ,you might inflict onto your training partner, are only used in training without punching coushions, otherwise you are also supposed to go through your opponent. ( this sentance has too many commas, i am very much aware of it. Thank you very much. )Have a nice day to all who read this.
I studied wing chun with sifu garry mckensey he is a very good teacher and a stand up guy he is very kind and understanding but remember just because I had a very good teacher it doesn't mean that I am any good at wing chun thank you for the video
This style from what i see in this video (and i may be wrong) would work very well together with some stuff from cane fighting or even some of the late western martial arts that came out of Europe (me thinks Bartitsu and similar). In my opinion anyway
Actually, karate is a specific system developed in Okinawa to replace the Chinese influenced systems before it. Bugei is Japanese for martial arts. While budo is an umbrella term for systems post mejing restoration, bujitsu is an umbrella term for systems pre mejing restoration.
That style of punch is very similar to the one used in Isshinryu. Very effective, but it does take a LOT of practice to use it property under pressure.
for the master of Ek EE Thump you have to look for John Morris, ive also contacts for the ancient arts for EE Be Gum and if youre lucky, Ikley Bart Tat, but yould need a whippet for that one
Great vid Lindybeige. Being a Lancashire lad I do indeed know the ancient art of Ecky Thump. However the knowledge is only passed on to those with Northern Blood I'm sorry to say. It is deemed far too dangerous for Southern types. No offence old chap, it is genetic you see, as our knuckles are used to dragging on the floor. Funnily enough I was reminded of you earlier today. I was in town shopping for Pies and Coal as is want for a Lanky Lad, and in the corner of my eye I spotted a blur of Beige in the distance. Its harsh tones captured my attention and I stood quite amazed. The Biscuity figure reached down to the pavement and then returned upright, holding aloft a single lonely pink glove. He looked around in search of its rightful owner and then ever so gently placed it on one of the nearby railings, in the hope of its owner returning to rescue it later. Then he faded away into the crowd. I had indeed witnessed the rare sight of the Beige Bandit in action. Patron Saint of Lonely single gloves, kicked off Babies Shoes and spat out dummies. I really wish I had my camera. Peace from up North. Ken
While Shastar Vidiya is indeed kind of an umbrella term, it is an umbrella term for NORTHERN Indian martial arts, the Hindi speaking part of India. Mostly, northwestern India. Southern Indian arts, like Kalaripayattu, is not typically included. South and North India are really different thing. Considering for example language as a dimension, Hindi (the language of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Northern India) is more similar to European languages (forming all together the Indo-European languages) than to southern Indian languages (Dravidic Languages). The same is true for many other aspects.
Shastra vidhaya was learnt by all Indian warriors my grandfather was a maratha and a master of sword and lathi and his style is no more. Now a day they hit sword with swords it's mostly a show Martial arts not a battle field technique
So, it's like a martial art based on the same physics which cause a flail to deliver more energy to a target, than a mace would? Also, the sinking/dropping bit is very much found in many iterations of Kung Fu. And the 'side-handled' baton is called a Tanfa. And, while I don't doubt they have popped up in many east Asian country's histories, their earliest references come from ancient China. I'm not calling you out on details! I just thought you might find it interesting, as you've mentioned them in a couple videos.
The way the weapon fighting was shown makes it look like it is focused on neck strikes. The offense having many efficient attacks; while the defense is keeping the chin tucked, and staying a small target. It seems good for knife fighting. Is there a more defensive side to this style, or is it more "try to stay safe, and kill before you get killed"? BTW: Overselling those punches! What a martial arts thing to do.
Shukijo hey thanks for taking interest, you pretty much got it in one. the idea in Shastar vidiya is to bait then defend and attack as close to simultaneously as possible. The form and strategy does change slightly when in a duelling format as you can afford to take you time a bit more. But the general idea is as you said, stay safe and kill. As for over selling, I can only promise to that I'm not. Try it yourself it's not very hard, just relax the arm and focus on the shoulder blade rather than the fist or elbow as the driving force. I'll send a video of me doing it so you can see and hear the difference a little better. Check out the fab page facebook.com/shastarvidiya
Top Gremlin hoolie. When not making videos, Lindybeige likes to spend his weekends hanging around train stations while wearing his best Stone Island clothes.
very good video, but I think that the umbrella term for "martial arts" in japan is "jutsu", which would be something like "techniques", so: ken-jutsu (sword techniques), jiu-jutsu (I believe it's 'fists' techniques, but it might be a broader term), kyu-jutsu (bow techniques) and so on. the sportive version usually replaces the "jutsu" with "do", which means "Way of", such arts keep the spirit, the philosophy, but present it in a less deadly manner, they became popular after WW2, because USA prohibited Japan from praticing it's militaristic arts so as to prevent the beligerant philosophy from WW2 from resurfacing, allowing them to make less deadly versions so as to keep their culture, but some of the "Do"s were older than that, like Ju-do. Also, Ken-do "already existed", but not as we know today, it was seen as the philosophical part of ken-jutsu, not as a sportive version of it.
Have the expert demonstrate it!! Lloyd, you're a great presenter, and your explanation as a newbie is valuable, but you should give equal time, after your explanation, to the instructor demonstrating and explaining it, so we can see how it's done. And give him a mic, too.
There are three Grand Masters of Ecky-Thump. They are Graeme Garden, Tim Brook-Taylor and Bill Oddie. Unfortunately I hear that getting them to train you is near impossible due to the unavailability of giant flat caps. Sorry.
It'd be really cool if you take a few brazilian jiu jitsu classes and make a video about it. It'd be great to get your opinion on a fighting system that has been made extremely popular by modern MMA etc.
Ecky Thump was a martial art skit on the Brit TV comedy 'The Goodies'... at the time it was so funny that (at least) one chap laughed himself to death while watching it according to the tabloids.. In an attempt to cheer myself up I recently re watched the scene on YT after 30 or so years with a face like a poker champion. Culture has changed or my comedy sensibilities have... or something.
Oh the laugh-to-death guy was called Alex Mitchell, BBC says he probably had a genetic heart condition which he's passed on to his granddaughter, medical science has moved on since the 70s as well as comedy.
It would be interesting to know whether this technique used with Roman and other contemporary swords would be effective. Does it tell us something about how they actually used those weapons? The fact that a big swing that misses when in armour throws the body out of balance is interesting and would not go unnoticed by ancient peoples.
Thanks for the video. One little correction. Karate is not an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts. Karate is actually a family of martial arts from Okinawa. Gichin Funakoshi introduced it to Japan back about 1920. You might have been thinking of JiuJitsu, which is actually Japanese.
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This is me!! pt 2. lloyd didnt mention but im not an expert, just a humble fan of lindybeige that also happens to study and teach beginner classes in Shastar Vidiya.
teach him everything you know so we can have more videos :D
i only had 2 hours lol. Hopefully he'll invite me back to go through some more in depth stuff
Hell yeah! Thanks for introducing us to the wonderful world of Indian martial arts. I don't know why it never occurred to me to look this shit up XD
I guess next on the list for me will be mesoamerican and african martial arts.
I can see how a hooked blade would be a useful implement for traversing thick african jungles as well. I would be more interested in their hand to hand combat though honestly.
Thanks for the video! I love to see different martial arts and this is a very different take on fighting than I’m used to. I can see how it would be effective in battle, especially in a hot climate!
This is me!!! thank you so much for coming down. Really enjoyed it :)
roughly 6 years, and prior to this I'd been studying martial arts for about decade. mainly wing chun and boxing but also dabbled in other martial arts throughout my school and college years
+A law
The Wing Chun background shined through! 😉
For how long have you practiced Indian Martial Arts?
Do you teach or recommend a certain teacher for private lessons?
GorillaGuerilla In the first form the punches look very similar to wing chun, the only real difference is power generation. I've been doing Shastar Vidiya for roughly 6 years and teach beginner classes in south west london. There's another class (also suitable for beginners) in hammersmith masbro centre
Check out our facebook page facebook.com/shastarvidiya
A law so yr name is Asanti Law... Interesting
who is "this" ? who is "me" ?
I am "me" too. Nobody takes away my "me" !
Beige floor, beige shoes, beige trousers, beige Lindybeige.
Beige.
Don't forget the signature beige Lindybeige shirt
My god.... how could I have forgotten. The shirt Lloyd was born wearing!
TRYHARD!! you look a little beige
Great vidiya!
goldensheik I see what you did there.
goldensheik great minds think alike
Yes it's completely shastar!
Argh ya beat me too it
Aye tell you hwwaaaaat.
England - the only country whre you get shown how to hit people effectively ...with a sign in the background saying "TEA CLUB"
𝑆𝑖𝑘𝘩 𝑀𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑠
Best pun. Much respect.
I think you meant Best pun(ch).
And what about a Sikh that doesn't move?
you dislodge him with a pun-jab
Sikhs would love this thread lol. They'd bring the booze too.
Fun Fact shaolin Kung fu was founded by Indian monk 'Bodhidharma' who renounced his royal life as a king to become a buddhist monk.He was also the abbot of Shaolin Temple at a time.
Bodidharma was a expert in Indian martial art known as Kalaripayattu
Is there proof of this?
@@Monkforilla There are many temples for Bodhidharma in China. Chinese worship him
@@Monkforilla Yes there are. It's part of recorded history.
@@moksha-theheavenlybliss5717 Kalaripatattu is said to be thought by Parashurama
I've always found the diversity of styles and ideologies in martial arts just fascinating.
Lindybeige this is all well and good but what we really want to know more about its the Tea Club this venue is hosting!
Last time I was this early, India and Pakistan were the same country
Chin Chin The Dark Lord Fuck, you old.
Liquidsback
I've been on this planet for eons
You have been around for Eons afterall.... waiting to punish Papa Franku.
Please accept these chromosomes as offerings!
Ive been hear for many chromosomes
"Shastra Vidya" literally means "Weapon Knowledge" in Sanskrit.
Shastra or Shastar ?
It's a typo. It's "Shastra" not Shastar.
actually it means "weapon video" in ancient sanskrit
It's shastra(शस्त्र) in Sanskrit, but shastar in Punjabi.
Naman Sharma the word Wisdom has maybe Sankrit roots. Vidya = Wisdom?
That was the most accurate mimicry of a slap I have ever heard.
I'd love to know how it was done
4:51 :)
Can I assume your socks and undergarments are beige as well?
his blood is beige too
Beige. My least favorite color.
Ah- but given your spelling we can assume you are not English. Perhaps you need to be English to appreciate the great untapped potential of the beige- designed for faking being mild and non-threatening .
He must suck on beige colored cloth for substance.
Sox you can get in beige so I'm going yes on the sox, no on the underwear. Now, I'm sure someone at some point has made some beige underwear but it's not a really common thing. So, unless he really goes out of his way, I doubt it.
I am a master of Ecky-Thump, being from Lancaster. It requires great skill and you have to be a bit drunk.
Cheeki Breeki and I can play Icky Thump on Guitar.
Also known as Drunken-Brit style
how good is your windmilling?
GamenRyder Top class
How big is your Flat Cap?
An Introduction in Beigean Martial Arts ;)
My god how tall are you? I've been watching you for three years only and never knew you're a giant!
He's about 195cm I think
Betulya Karol I believe he’s around 6’3, maybe 6’4. So to me, a measly 5’10, he is in fact a giant.
ARR0WMANC3R Can you translate that for those with an outdated measurement system?
Liquidsback What are you... French?
He's tall but i think that the other guy was also short so his height is exaggerated in contrast.
I would love to see more of these, maybe with a little demonstration of the teacher showing us how a professional would do it. You know, just to see how amazingly fast of a learner Lindy is :P
"A law" user ( the guy in this vid ) claims that he's no professional in it himself. But I'd still want to watch it
there's a video on my instagram of me hitting pad @asantehunter
I just love the instructors stance and how fluid he makes the motions look its all very cool.
"You're watching this channel, so your probably interested in various ways of hitting people!"
Ah, Lindy, a man after my own heart.
So great that you're covering this. Indian martial arts are very interesting, intimidating, and not very well covered on TH-cam. They seem extremely appropriate for engaging several opponents at the same time. Looking forward to seeing more!
Your videos really are pleasure to watch and listen to, I hope you find lasting joy in creating them as they really are beneficial in terms of knowledge and entertainment.
The instructor looks exactly like one of the characters I once created for a roleplaying game!
That and an amazing video, thank You! :)
I love that you're becoming like Floyd. 10 minutes somewhere and already you're demonstrating how to cook their food and presenting it to their chefs :))
The drop and flick at about 6:30 could also help explain the shape of the pommels on Indian swords that Matt Easton has been trying to figure out. Interesting how body mechanics work.
If they're the expert and you're the noob, maybe let them demonstrate a thing or two?
A V I'm no expert, just someone who is studying the art. but if you'd like to see me demonstrating the same thing have a look on my channel
th-cam.com/video/qHXV4PSM82M/w-d-xo.html
you have learnt from a real master..the others is GM Yuli Romo and Soufian..understand the principles, other more intellectual arts is wingchun and russian systema..
Interesting! They are a very clever people! I had not considered the leading foot inertial drop until now
this is a beautiful art, the flow incorporates what i first learned as the aikido concept of extension, though im sure every system has a name for it.
"Carefull I know have a stick" sounds much less threatening that it is^^
Man, I love this channel.
Beige vs black
You are incorrect about the Wing Chun punch. A proper Wing Chun punch thrown without the arm muscles engaged, you only engage them at the last moment before impact and then release them immediately to keep the energy from your punch in the target instead of allowing it to be transferred back into your arm. It's a core WC principle that your arm from your fist to elbow is a blade of grass and from your elbow to your shoulder an iron bar. This technique is typically the first one you learn because every technique (Tan sao, Bong sao, Lap sao, etc etc) are punches at their core. That's why the hanging wall bag is used extensively in WC training. The goal is to be able to punch the bag and have it be bouncing off of the wall after each punch thus showing you are not allowing the energy to escape back into your fist (if you don't engage and disengage your muscles correctly the bag won't bounce). Thanks Loyd and keep your amazing content coming!!
I quite like this as a method of punching - I've a mobility disability which prohibits me throwing a punch in the traditional western style, but that concept would allow me to throw a punch and not break myself
A martial art designed for formation conflict against another formation isn't a good self defence martial art in the modern world. Who would have thunk it! Thank you arm chair warriors for explaining this to me.
According to legend, Shaolin Kung Fu was formed by a Buddhist monk from India who moved to China and taught the monks at the Shaolin temple.
And he found the monks there to be fat and lazy so he designed a set of exercises based on animals which eventually became a set of martial arts. AT least that is how the story goes.
Lindy, you should do more videos like this! it was a great watch, as well as your follow up video to this. Really enjoyable and i'd love to see more videos with a similar theme
Loyd I am a huge fan. Love the fact that you are branching out and showing us something unusual, as well as actually demonstrating a technique, which is unusual for your channel, but again really nice change. I am frustrated however that we did not see a demonstration of the techniques by the expert. It would have still been great to see you learning and demonstrating the technique, just perhaps alongside and instructed by the expert. Thanks!
The real deal..most asian martial arts believe to stem from old india, with their adjustments to body, weapons and terrain..well done niko on intellect trumping over the plenty of martial artists..there is much you can learn from this fellow and his teacher to then bring up wingchun to this..principles are principles..then there are no rules, like you pointed out in your dance of lindyhop..something which many boxed in martial artists fail to understand from HEMA to kungfu..congrats !
Karate isn't a umbrella term for Japanese Martial Arts!
Seconded.
Lloyd, Karate is A japanese martial art taken from Okinawa (possibly it should be considered an Okinawan martial art, but this is a sensitive issue I don't know enough to speak on)
Ross Ramsay You are not mistaken. Karate is indeed an Okinawan martial art. Of course, in the early XX century it spread to mainland Japan through masters like Funakoshi Gichin and Mabuni Kenwa. However, wether it was lack of study or lack of understanding, in that transfer many techniques and aspects of the original art got lost. That resulted in creating distinct Japanese styles of karate which are different both in terms of practice and in terms of goals which they aim to achieve compared to their Okinawan counterparts.
Gentlemen. I think Lloyd is saying that it is *used* as an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts. Not necessarily that it is correct. The fact that he said "all the chinese martial arts" and "Japanese martial arts" and "the Japanese ones" gives away his sentiment. Listen again.
Seconded again. But to be fair, it's true that Karate is a very broad term in the same way that Kung Fu is. It's just not quite broad enough to cover ALL Japanese martial arts. For instance, most styles involving weapons, and most styles with a heavy emphasis on grappling are not karate.
I would use it as an umbrella term, bearing in mind I have close to 0 knowledge on the subject; a bad case of "the general public-is" I'm afraid (or maybe "jutsu" but I wouldn't be comfortable with that term either)
Last time I was this early, the war would be over by christmas!
Merliginary how many times have soldiers been told that I wonder
...it is a reference to The Great War AKA WW1... Only an murican would think it is about the civil war...
This is a reference to litterally every war taking longer than a year
The Swiss civil war in 1847 ended after 26 days , at 29. of November. I guess the men felt bad not being at their workplaces...
I think this punch makes more sense than the regular punch
This form of thinking remind me alot of Jeet kune do...where it isnt about ridgid thinking, its about taking advantage of what you can do best in the situation your in to fight someone. like if your on a muddy area you dont thrrow sweeping kicks cause youll be on your ass...but also if you find that they are wearing chest protection you target the arms and face and if wearing a helmet you attack the limbs...not adhearing to a closed minded style its about using all the styles to your advantage and using what works..I like it..Im sure Bruce Lee woulda loved to study this also.
Interesting style of fighting, are you going to be studying it Lloyd? It'd be interesting to see you do more. little interesting fact I just found out, the last Sikh warrior Nidar Singh Nihang (86), who has spent his life learning Sanatan Shastar Vidiya, lives in Wolverhampton. :)
Iam by far not an expert martial artist, but i love experimenting on the heavybag and with my friends and i notice something funny, without real formal training just by trying we arrived at the same principals and body mechanics. seems like a very instinctive thing to do once you notice the boxers punch breaks your head wen hitting something hard
This is actually what got me into HEMA. I found a youtube channel about it and ended up spiraling into HEMA that way.
I've noticed that some prominent of Boxers utilize this bag like motion in some of there more relaxed rendition for jabs.
Pawing Jabs, flicker Jabs, it's very different in spirit from your normal jabs, and this captures that perfectly.
Thank for shining light on this ancient method
WOW, Lloyd has legs.
Very interesting. The technique is clearly suited to a curved blade. It's interesting to speculate whether the energy philosophy carried through to the sport of Cricket. The classic "Indian" batting technique is usually described with "wristy" flowing strokes, and finesse shoots like the leg glance or fine cut.
A few people already mentioned the "karate is not an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts" bit, but I didn't notice anyone mentioning the proper ones: Generally seems to be Budo (Martial Way) for modern martial arts (and/or when adding flim flam to the mental side) and Bujutsu (Martial Arts/Skills/Techniques), though the latter also occasionally includes military strategy as well.
Compare and contrast for example Kendo (modern fencing with limited application to real life sword fighting) and Kenjutsu (actual swordfighting), Judo (modern sport that's heavily formalized and stripped down from its origins, though still effective if used right) and Jujutsu (any number of old hand to hand fighting styles including punches, kicks, throws, locks, grappling, etc.) and so on.
Loyd, i do not know which wing tsun you learned, but these snap punches, which are stopped to PREVENT damage ,you might inflict onto your training partner, are only used in training without punching coushions, otherwise you are also supposed to go through your opponent. ( this sentance has too many commas, i am very much aware of it. Thank you very much. )Have a nice day to all who read this.
The Soviets spent a lot of time in India, and it seems to me this may be an ancestor to systema
I hope you upload more videos of this art.
that elbow drop, but with a shield would be devastating
That's pretty similar to Russian Systema. They fight like drunk with relaxed, whippy motions and an acute sense of ballance.
Kinda, but in Systema you don't need pads for training, because you learn how to eat a punch first.
Actually, the wing chun punch is also a relaxed way. Both use mass and momentum to power the strikes.
There should be some Shastar Vidiya games
I studied wing chun with sifu garry mckensey he is a very good teacher and a stand up guy he is very kind and understanding but remember just because I had a very good teacher it doesn't mean that I am any good at wing chun thank you for the video
Learning alternative ways to hit someone is a happy bonus. I'm here for the beige.
The japanese thingy with the right angle grip is called a Tonfa btw.
If y ou missed my reference to Coventry It was the Anniversary of the Bombing of the Coventry cathederal
This style from what i see in this video (and i may be wrong) would work very well together with some stuff from cane fighting or even some of the late western martial arts that came out of Europe (me thinks Bartitsu and similar). In my opinion anyway
When you said the bag of water thing I immediately thought of Wing Chun. Would love to see some compare and contrast stuff.
Actually, karate is a specific system developed in Okinawa to replace the Chinese influenced systems before it. Bugei is Japanese for martial arts. While budo is an umbrella term for systems post mejing restoration, bujitsu is an umbrella term for systems pre mejing restoration.
I now understand Indian swords so much better, thanks.
That style of punch is very similar to the one used in Isshinryu. Very effective, but it does take a LOT of practice to use it property under pressure.
There was a guy called Graham once in the local public gardens giving out free ecky-thump lessons
for the master of Ek EE Thump you have to look for John Morris, ive also contacts for the ancient arts for EE Be Gum and if youre lucky, Ikley Bart Tat, but yould need a whippet for that one
Great vid Lindybeige. Being a Lancashire lad I do indeed know the ancient art of Ecky Thump. However the knowledge is only passed on to those with Northern Blood I'm sorry to say. It is deemed far too dangerous for Southern types. No offence old chap, it is genetic you see, as our knuckles are used to dragging on the floor. Funnily enough I was reminded of you earlier today. I was in town shopping for Pies and Coal as is want for a Lanky Lad, and in the corner of my eye I spotted a blur of Beige in the distance. Its harsh tones captured my attention and I stood quite amazed. The Biscuity figure reached down to the pavement and then returned upright, holding aloft a single lonely pink glove. He looked around in search of its rightful owner and then ever so gently placed it on one of the nearby railings, in the hope of its owner returning to rescue it later. Then he faded away into the crowd. I had indeed witnessed the rare sight of the Beige Bandit in action. Patron Saint of Lonely single gloves, kicked off Babies Shoes and spat out dummies. I really wish I had my camera. Peace from up North. Ken
Jack Dempsey talked about the falling step (lifting your front leg ), in his book. He was a legendary boxer, known for “punching above his weight”
7:21 ...yep...definitely perfect for a tulwar/shamshir
"I learned all my fighting skills from vidiya!"
While Shastar Vidiya is indeed kind of an umbrella term, it is an umbrella term for NORTHERN Indian martial arts, the Hindi speaking part of India. Mostly, northwestern India. Southern Indian arts, like Kalaripayattu, is not typically included. South and North India are really different thing. Considering for example language as a dimension, Hindi (the language of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Northern India) is more similar to European languages (forming all together the Indo-European languages) than to southern Indian languages (Dravidic Languages). The same is true for many other aspects.
that move is great for a sweep will keep that in mind if i ever face an indian (or same style fighter)
Shastra vidhaya was learnt by all Indian warriors my grandfather was a maratha and a master of sword and lathi and his style is no more. Now a day they hit sword with swords it's mostly a show Martial arts not a battle field technique
Exact translation for shaatar Vidya, is knowledge of weapon. I'm proud you're interested in it.
The principle of this system seems pretty solid; it appears to stress economy of force, movement and use of space.
So, it's like a martial art based on the same physics which cause a flail to deliver more energy to a target, than a mace would? Also, the sinking/dropping bit is very much found in many iterations of Kung Fu. And the 'side-handled' baton is called a Tanfa. And, while I don't doubt they have popped up in many east Asian country's histories, their earliest references come from ancient China. I'm not calling you out on details! I just thought you might find it interesting, as you've mentioned them in a couple videos.
Of course, outside of hitting with more force, a flail could probably boast NONE of the other advantages this art offers. ;p
I remember seeing a documentary about Ecky-Thump made in the 60's, you should approach the makers of it.
The way the weapon fighting was shown makes it look like it is focused on neck strikes. The offense having many efficient attacks; while the defense is keeping the chin tucked, and staying a small target. It seems good for knife fighting.
Is there a more defensive side to this style, or is it more "try to stay safe, and kill before you get killed"?
BTW: Overselling those punches! What a martial arts thing to do.
Shukijo hey thanks for taking interest, you pretty much got it in one. the idea in Shastar vidiya is to bait then defend and attack as close to simultaneously as possible. The form and strategy does change slightly when in a duelling format as you can afford to take you time a bit more. But the general idea is as you said, stay safe and kill.
As for over selling, I can only promise to that I'm not. Try it yourself it's not very hard, just relax the arm and focus on the shoulder blade rather than the fist or elbow as the driving force.
I'll send a video of me doing it so you can see and hear the difference a little better.
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5:50 oh jolly good now you're ready to face Jerry machine guns
More of this please Sir Biege
I really enjoyed this! Would love to see more demonstrations with guests!
If you learn Shastar Vidya, you can do stuff shown in Hollywood movies.
Interesting to think how the drawing style of cut would work with a curvy tulwar... Definitely would cause some serious hurt.
Top Gremlin hoolie. When not making videos, Lindybeige likes to spend his weekends hanging around train stations while wearing his best Stone Island clothes.
I suppose that sort of drawing cut makes a lot of sense with very curved short gripped Indian swords
The amount of beige in the opening of this video is, frankly, quite glorious.
Edit: The Goodies reference at the end of the video is also glorious.
very good video, but I think that the umbrella term for "martial arts" in japan is "jutsu", which would be something like "techniques", so: ken-jutsu (sword techniques), jiu-jutsu (I believe it's 'fists' techniques, but it might be a broader term), kyu-jutsu (bow techniques) and so on.
the sportive version usually replaces the "jutsu" with "do", which means "Way of", such arts keep the spirit, the philosophy, but present it in a less deadly manner, they became popular after WW2, because USA prohibited Japan from praticing it's militaristic arts so as to prevent the beligerant philosophy from WW2 from resurfacing, allowing them to make less deadly versions so as to keep their culture, but some of the "Do"s were older than that, like Ju-do. Also, Ken-do "already existed", but not as we know today, it was seen as the philosophical part of ken-jutsu, not as a sportive version of it.
Congratulations: you've now learned to do the Wing Chin punch properly
Have the expert demonstrate it!! Lloyd, you're a great presenter, and your explanation as a newbie is valuable, but you should give equal time, after your explanation, to the instructor demonstrating and explaining it, so we can see how it's done. And give him a mic, too.
More shastravidya please! ^_^
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It's you Beige, we watch it for you
There are three Grand Masters of Ecky-Thump. They are Graeme Garden, Tim Brook-Taylor and Bill Oddie. Unfortunately I hear that getting them to train you is near impossible due to the unavailability of giant flat caps. Sorry.
I actually learned this concept in Issinryu Karate it’s basically continuing the force through the opponent instead of stopping on the surface
It'd be really cool if you take a few brazilian jiu jitsu classes and make a video about it. It'd be great to get your opinion on a fighting system that has been made extremely popular by modern MMA etc.
Ecky Thump was a martial art skit on the Brit TV comedy 'The Goodies'... at the time it was so funny that (at least) one chap laughed himself to death while watching it according to the tabloids.. In an attempt to cheer myself up I recently re watched the scene on YT after 30 or so years with a face like a poker champion. Culture has changed or my comedy sensibilities have... or something.
Oh the laugh-to-death guy was called Alex Mitchell, BBC says he probably had a genetic heart condition which he's passed on to his granddaughter, medical science has moved on since the 70s as well as comedy.
for kind information ...shastra vidhya is belong to snatan dhram (Hinduism) and other religion india learn these fighting style from shastra vidhya...
It would be interesting to know whether this technique used with Roman and other contemporary swords would be effective. Does it tell us something about how they actually used those weapons? The fact that a big swing that misses when in armour throws the body out of balance is interesting and would not go unnoticed by ancient peoples.
Thanks for the video. One little correction. Karate is not an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts. Karate is actually a family of martial arts from Okinawa. Gichin Funakoshi introduced it to Japan back about 1920. You might have been thinking of JiuJitsu, which is actually Japanese.
so is shastar vidya he probably doesnt do enough research i think.
Afaik Follow through and snapping are two common technics in most Martial Arts, at least in the ones I practiced.