I'm looking at Gundrak (the huge building) and inspecting the 5-man right now, and there's no way that huge building was meant to only serve as scenery. It looks *exactly* like a raid, with an entrance and all. In fact, speaking of snakes, there's a gigantic snake skeleton inside the room you enter after killing the first boss in the instance, and continuing on it leads to the room where that snake tail in that screenshot is. And that snake tail is - guess what - *directly* under the huge Gundrak building. This is obviously a scrapped raid; there's no way all that was put in the game just for a lousy 5-man loosely (if at all) related to the lore. By the way, am I the only one who thinks that Metzen looked really pissed off when Jesse walked up to him?
hanplay1994 Yeah. Utgarde Pinnacle was going to be one, but WotLK was really just focused on the (undead) Scourge more than anything - kinda figures since it's Northrend and about the Lich King; but you'd think that an expansion with one of the most iconic Blizzard villains in it would be a whole lot better and fleshed out more. WotLK - the lore was awesome but the story sucked (kinda).
hanplay1994 Yeah, too bad too it could have been pretty cool--i mean they also had some weapon designs up! how else could they possibly explain some of the clearly troll-esque weapons to drop out of ICC of all places?
Ive thought for a very long time that Metzen is that kind of guy who will say ‘cool, this was great!’ to staff or players then go home and say ‘wow what a bunch of nerrrrrdsss’ unironically.
I know this is old, but body-language wise, that's not the look of Metzen being pissed off, that's the look of Metzen staring towards the image as it approaches and being like "What the fuck? Where? What? Huh? Snake Tail? I don't remember a snake tail, show me your sna- well shit, there is a snake tail." in his head, all at once, it's the look of confusion and bewilderment.
I'm a designer for a University newspaper and I (and my co-designer) put unicorns into every issue. They're most often caught by the EIC, but sometimes a tiny one will slip through. Unintentional easter eggs are literally the best thing, even in a 12 page newspaper run by students.
Jesse would completely slaughter the blizz-team with the questions he has. He did an hour-long talk with another lore expert on Cata and Pandaria. Completely tore it apart x'D
now if this had been dark souls, miyazaki would have been able to deliver a long speech on how that subtle easily missed tail has massive lore implications and challenges everything you thought you knew; except he would actually just give hints because he wants fans to work that shit out on their own. this is wow though, so 'it's just there to look cool' is apparently an acceptable answer. honestly the rest of the games industry needs to take notes on how your environment can be used to tell a story rather than have random things in it just 'cause
Actually, its widely believed that Gun'drak was set up to be a raid that they called off. not only did the questing build up the place, but it had a reasonable little hub going on, complete with a flight path, armor repairs, and an imposing raid entrance. Ulduar had the exact same thing, with its two related 5 mans in proximity. There were even troll-looking weapon designs which mysteriously showed up in ICC later, which seems to have been created for the raid and were then the models were used in the loot table there. A comment made a year ago by a "MrJustinArt' also pointed out that there's a giant snake skeleton inside the room you enter after killing the first boss in the instance, and continuing on it leads to the room where the snake tail in the screenshot is---which is directly under the huge main Gun'drak building. Its widely regarded that bliz downplayed it to quiet the community raids that didnt make the cut, such as the speculated Abyssal Maw one that didnt make it in Cata. (incidently, the new expansion is pretty good)
+quetch2 Or you know. The sensible thing and *have both*. There is no reason to not have things to make it look cool. That's the purpose of set pieces. Virtual Environments that have a story are comprised a few things you want to break it down to a more easy to understand level. 1) Narrative assets. 2) FX 3) Set pieces 4) Things that make the physical word itself which can play into the narrative aspect heavily or lightly (the name for it can be different depending on the studio) The set pieces are the finishing touches that ultimately make it look nice. It can play into narrative, but it does not have to. For example, I made a virtual environment in UE4 once, and the story (basic story) behind it is that it's a village on an island with older style homes with a fantasy type flare to it (I didn't do research of different cultures and civilization's architecture for inspiration which would have been a good idea). And the village was taken over by a military force (Nazi inspired) and you walk around the environment's aftermath. In that environment, an intended set piece was also intended to play into the narrative by having a helmet from the military left behind as well as weapons and vehicles (purely set pieces) which would clash with the buildings, implying they are of different cultures. That's an example of a set piece playing into narrative. But you can also have set pieces that are there to just make it look cool or to make it look nicer in general. Such as if you were to have a cave and you added a few loose stones around, they don't really play into any narrative, but they can make it look nicer. You could have an environment in a city. For the sake of this one let's say it's an Assassin's Creed game, not even one that is necessarily already in existence. You could have people flying kites. You could have hot air balloons in the sky. You could have big ships sailing out in the water in an area you cannot get to. None of these necessarily play into narrative and they don't have to. They can add to the narrative, or they can just add to the environment.
I remember that whole scene while watching blizzcon that year and didn't realize who Jesse was back then. It's cool to come back and see it now and realize his question totally just got blown off cause none of them seemed to know what the hell it was, lol.
And to this day this hasn't been answered. Come on blizzard! Add a giant snake boss and put this mystery to rest! We waited through so many expansions, 1 extra boss won't hurt!
Arh so it wasn't really a bad thing? I think the only one I got halfright was TB, he does look like a proper Sir. It's amazing what kind of pictures you can make up from just listening to a voice isn't it? :P
Such is alarming, isn't it? As video game industry turns billion dollars, corporate greed suddenly grows larger. And then corporate folks start to infiltrate.
The issue is that games, TV shows, movies, etc. have multiple writers. While they SHOULD be savvy about what all the other writers, artists, programmers and what not are up to, most are not. There are just so many people involved with making these type of products, that it's near impossible to keep track of everything. It's why TV shows tend to vary so greatly in quality from episode to episode for example, because different writers handle different episodes, and they don't always act together.
Well, I'm sensitive about communication. It's not like this guy doesn't have media training. But I just miss the Metzen and Afrasiabi combination. :( And memes aren't part of someones sense of humour imo. They are just social instruments. They exist to show people you "know". It's no coincidence people mainly use them in crowded situations. It's like people quoting the entire Collegehumor video. People responding with memes aren't responding to one person, but showing off to a crowd.
This...is perhaps the biggest reason I quit playing WoW and rarely ever look back. These assclowns who are in charge of development who don't take their own lore seriously, they just do "whatever looks cool or whatever sounds cool" and the end result is often an unorganized, poorly thought out, grabasstic mess.
I always get pissed of at these Q&A videos. I don't think I've ever seen these three dudes on stage answer a question without making fun of the fan asking it.
When did they ever say they "just do "whatever looks cool or whatever sounds cool"? Art team =/= story team. The people answering questions didn't know that was in the game because, oh, I don't know, they don't work on the fucking art direction of the game, and they didn't know the art team threw in a cool thing but miniscule like that? Anything to get on the good ol' "BLIZZ SUCKS NOW!!1!!111!" circlejerk train I guess.
524mills So basically what you're saying is that the art direction just throws things in there without any collaboration with the story team? There's no effort or thought put into it like, "this looks really cool, but could there be a story behind it?" That pretty much supports my original claim. Overall effort into WoW is 48% art and 2% story.
524mills That might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that even they sometimes don't know what they are talking about. The Falstad Kurdran thing proved enough, since they are sitting there they are supposed to know everything there is to know, but they don't. A simple figuring out what happened to Arthas' body, giving a straight answer to the question if Illidan is dead or not, not implying that we've only explored half of Azeroth to further hype up the game, immediately being able to answer that Saurfang is a Blackrock orc, confirming Calia & Lianne Menethil's deaths (which seem pretty obvious because what the hell are they still going to do with the characters anyway), etc. These are just a few questions that have been asked in the past that sprung to my mind. It's quite unthinkable that we have 3 storywriters on stage, and dodgy answers are still being given. What's the point of having a lore Q&A if they can't provide answers?
Superficiality, what a beautiful curse upon the human race. 1: Jesse has lost a ton of weight since then and 2: He is a legend at what he does. Who cares what they look like? But this just shows how out of control the lore in WoW has gone since Vanilla. Including the stupid Pandaria expansion :P
Not even one minute and I'm already here from the Co-optional Podcast.
+Zombirate Lulz me too
+Zombirate welcome brother
+Zombirate me too. lol.
+Zombirate almost 2000 views on this video on the last couple days XD
+Zombirate Damn Metzen.
It's awesome to see that in 2011 Jesse was just a random fan at Blizzcon asking a question and in 2015 he actually moderated the Q&A panel
That’s like going to the game awards one year as an audience member then a few years later your presenting an award.
JESSE COX IS A GOLDEN GOD
+TheFreeman627 golden god?
God he looks so young compared to now.
+DrTMoneyDog Probably due to the fact that he is older now.
He looks so young.
+Bamith well yeah, it was over four years ago
Good lord Jesse looks different! Still the same personality though haha!
I'm looking at Gundrak (the huge building) and inspecting the 5-man right now, and there's no way that huge building was meant to only serve as scenery. It looks *exactly* like a raid, with an entrance and all. In fact, speaking of snakes, there's a gigantic snake skeleton inside the room you enter after killing the first boss in the instance, and continuing on it leads to the room where that snake tail in that screenshot is. And that snake tail is - guess what - *directly* under the huge Gundrak building. This is obviously a scrapped raid; there's no way all that was put in the game just for a lousy 5-man loosely (if at all) related to the lore.
By the way, am I the only one who thinks that Metzen looked really pissed off when Jesse walked up to him?
There was going to be troll and vrykul raids in Wotlk but they scrapped it
hanplay1994 Yeah. Utgarde Pinnacle was going to be one, but WotLK was really just focused on the (undead) Scourge more than anything - kinda figures since it's Northrend and about the Lich King; but you'd think that an expansion with one of the most iconic Blizzard villains in it would be a whole lot better and fleshed out more.
WotLK - the lore was awesome but the story sucked (kinda).
hanplay1994 Yeah, too bad too it could have been pretty cool--i mean they also had some weapon designs up! how else could they possibly explain some of the clearly troll-esque weapons to drop out of ICC of all places?
Ive thought for a very long time that Metzen is that kind of guy who will say ‘cool, this was great!’ to staff or players then go home and say ‘wow what a bunch of nerrrrrdsss’ unironically.
I know this is old, but body-language wise, that's not the look of Metzen being pissed off, that's the look of Metzen staring towards the image as it approaches and being like "What the fuck? Where? What? Huh? Snake Tail? I don't remember a snake tail, show me your sna- well shit, there is a snake tail." in his head, all at once, it's the look of confusion and bewilderment.
Thank you Asmongold for rekindling this hilarious memory!
Jesse looks so much better now with his full glorius beard,
I always figured that tail was part of a boss that they were going to put into the Gundrak raid before they changed their minds--go figure
I'm a designer for a University newspaper and I (and my co-designer) put unicorns into every issue. They're most often caught by the EIC, but sometimes a tiny one will slip through. Unintentional easter eggs are literally the best thing, even in a 12 page newspaper run by students.
Omg Chris Metzen turned red for a second there xD
"YOU WERE THE SNAKE TAIL GUY!"
And now he is hosting this panel
I had to see this after watching Jesse's video on WoW v 14.
This Blizzard feels so different from current day Blizz, much more human.
Jesse would completely slaughter the blizz-team with the questions he has. He did an hour-long talk with another lore expert on Cata and Pandaria. Completely tore it apart x'D
I just saw this pop up on my you tube. Sad times like this are gone gone for good good. :(
Man love for Jesse Cox
Jesus christ those guys are so god damn cringe
THE SNAKE TAIL IS SUPER EFFECTIVE HA HA
+TheMultiEnabled Let's not forget this was 4 years ago. That meme was probably really funny back then.
Memes age about as well as milk.
metzen wasnt that cringey at least
That snake tail was attached to the real lore of the game, hiding just out of sight but never seen or explained.
Lets be Honest. Jesse Cox brought us all here!
"Dude just showed you his snake!"
...
"You put what in what?"
well, guess I now sorta need to go back to Gundrak and have a look for myself :
now if this had been dark souls, miyazaki would have been able to deliver a long speech on how that subtle easily missed tail has massive lore implications and challenges everything you thought you knew; except he would actually just give hints because he wants fans to work that shit out on their own. this is wow though, so 'it's just there to look cool' is apparently an acceptable answer. honestly the rest of the games industry needs to take notes on how your environment can be used to tell a story rather than have random things in it just 'cause
Actually, its widely believed that Gun'drak was set up to be a raid that they called off. not only did the questing build up the place, but it had a reasonable little hub going on, complete with a flight path, armor repairs, and an imposing raid entrance. Ulduar had the exact same thing, with its two related 5 mans in proximity.
There were even troll-looking weapon designs which mysteriously showed up in ICC later, which seems to have been created for the raid and were then the models were used in the loot table there.
A comment made a year ago by a "MrJustinArt' also pointed out that there's a giant snake skeleton inside the room you enter after killing the first boss in the instance, and continuing on it leads to the room where the snake tail in the screenshot is---which is directly under the huge main Gun'drak building.
Its widely regarded that bliz downplayed it to quiet the community raids that didnt make the cut, such as the speculated Abyssal Maw one that didnt make it in Cata.
(incidently, the new expansion is pretty good)
+quetch2 Or you know. The sensible thing and *have both*.
There is no reason to not have things to make it look cool. That's the purpose of set pieces.
Virtual Environments that have a story are comprised a few things you want to break it down to a more easy to understand level.
1) Narrative assets.
2) FX
3) Set pieces
4) Things that make the physical word itself which can play into the narrative aspect heavily or lightly (the name for it can be different depending on the studio)
The set pieces are the finishing touches that ultimately make it look nice. It can play into narrative, but it does not have to. For example, I made a virtual environment in UE4 once, and the story (basic story) behind it is that it's a village on an island with older style homes with a fantasy type flare to it (I didn't do research of different cultures and civilization's architecture for inspiration which would have been a good idea). And the village was taken over by a military force (Nazi inspired) and you walk around the environment's aftermath.
In that environment, an intended set piece was also intended to play into the narrative by having a helmet from the military left behind as well as weapons and vehicles (purely set pieces) which would clash with the buildings, implying they are of different cultures.
That's an example of a set piece playing into narrative.
But you can also have set pieces that are there to just make it look cool or to make it look nicer in general. Such as if you were to have a cave and you added a few loose stones around, they don't really play into any narrative, but they can make it look nicer.
You could have an environment in a city. For the sake of this one let's say it's an Assassin's Creed game, not even one that is necessarily already in existence. You could have people flying kites. You could have hot air balloons in the sky. You could have big ships sailing out in the water in an area you cannot get to. None of these necessarily play into narrative and they don't have to. They can add to the narrative, or they can just add to the environment.
Except Miyazaki would be lying lol
holy fk dark souls poisoned people's mind
He straight up looks like a baby it's wild
its just cool to see who's behind the funny voices lol.
Man... Jesse Cox is such a badass now... Compared to this time in his life...
2:23 explains alot
I remember that whole scene while watching blizzcon that year and didn't realize who Jesse was back then. It's cool to come back and see it now and realize his question totally just got blown off cause none of them seemed to know what the hell it was, lol.
I came here because Jesse mentioned this on the co-optional podcast. Holy hell he's so young XD
Which episode was that in?
ty jesse did just ask a question i have always been thinking of
Props Jessie.
I remember when I was watching this live I lost my shit when I saw it was Jesse.
I love Chris Metzen's face when hes looking at the screenshot and is completely baffled.
you can still see it in gundrak
Holy Crap... I've been wondering that myself, didn't realize that was Jesse.
The real reason Chris Metzen left blizzard. He could not stand the forums holding it to him anymore.
Metzen just raises a hand that says "Step forward, worm".
What a legend, Jesse Cox everybody!
well...time to go to gundrak!
jajajajaja great snip bro
just checked ur channel for the first time
sad to see most vids were deleted
you see what i think now that i have seen the video is that its a loa of the trolls
I thought he was going to say "Hey there guys, it's Jessy" :D
And today Jesse ask about Lalafell
Wait...so what is the snake-tail? C'mon, I want to know now! :D
+FeistyGreenSnake It was supposedly going to be a boss in the Zul'drak raid that never got released
This explains so much.....
lmao!! good job jesse, i always wondered that too
red shirt guy @1:44
GO JESSE !!!
Did anybody else go to the dungeon just to see it?
1:40 IS THAT THE RED SHIRT GUY IN FRONT OF JESSE!!?!!?!
Jesse asked the best question of blizzcon haha :D
just goes to show how much Blizzard truly knows about there own fucking game
Also, he looks so young because he lacks the fully grown and glorious beard that he's got today! All men look younger without facial hair.
Red shirt guy on the crowd at 1:44
Jesse is so awesome :D
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Have you WoW players gotten an answer to it?
JESSE!!!
Smilie face under Kara, y'all on my level?
Looks a tad like Tharon'ja's scale colours seem to be the same
I fucking love JESSEEEEE!
H sure knows to throw them off!
Leave it to jesse to BE AS THROUGH AS POSSIBLE IN WOW
And to this day this hasn't been answered. Come on blizzard! Add a giant snake boss and put this mystery to rest! We waited through so many expansions, 1 extra boss won't hurt!
You little rebel you.
WHERES HIS BEARD?!?! GAAAH
jesus that guy got nervous :DDD
Arh so it wasn't really a bad thing?
I think the only one I got halfright was TB, he does look like a proper Sir. It's amazing what kind of pictures you can make up from just listening to a voice isn't it? :P
A giant snake! God Darn you!
Not what i thought Jesse Cox looked like... huh same with Simon from the yogscast and Lewis...jeez INCLUDING total biscuit
damn jesse has lost weight since this was taken. But anyways best question ever.
Looks like you've found Ralph Waldo Emerson.
I bet its Hakkar..
try looking at simon and jesse at the same time :D
never knew jesse was a tubby fella >_>
Back when Blizzard devs were fun people, instead of soulless reps with their corporate-speak.
Such is alarming, isn't it?
As video game industry turns billion dollars, corporate greed suddenly grows larger. And then corporate folks start to infiltrate.
More like back when you werent a miserable existence
It looked like an infested thingy from Starcraft 2.....
Genius!
Metzen is such a boss =0
Jesse was thiner
The issue is that games, TV shows, movies, etc. have multiple writers. While they SHOULD be savvy about what all the other writers, artists, programmers and what not are up to, most are not. There are just so many people involved with making these type of products, that it's near impossible to keep track of everything. It's why TV shows tend to vary so greatly in quality from episode to episode for example, because different writers handle different episodes, and they don't always act together.
i agree, i almost feelt sorry for him
The title says "Blizzcon '11"
Yeah... I'm impressed! :D
Uh.. Isn't it a fucking kite?
Well, I'm sensitive about communication. It's not like this guy doesn't have media training.
But I just miss the Metzen and Afrasiabi combination. :(
And memes aren't part of someones sense of humour imo. They are just social instruments. They exist to show people you "know". It's no coincidence people mainly use them in crowded situations. It's like people quoting the entire Collegehumor video. People responding with memes aren't responding to one person, but showing off to a crowd.
look how young he is haha
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That was so funny!
haha Jesse ftw!
I saw it.
So, can i see the snake tail? :S
where can we see the screenshot???
tought so
YEs it is hahah!
01:10 Iss this guy for real?
This...is perhaps the biggest reason I quit playing WoW and rarely ever look back. These assclowns who are in charge of development who don't take their own lore seriously, they just do "whatever looks cool or whatever sounds cool" and the end result is often an unorganized, poorly thought out, grabasstic mess.
I'm sure they could have made a fun spin-off comic or so purely for comedic purposes, but letting them on the real project was retarded :P
I always get pissed of at these Q&A videos. I don't think I've ever seen these three dudes on stage answer a question without making fun of the fan asking it.
When did they ever say they "just do "whatever looks cool or whatever sounds cool"? Art team =/= story team. The people answering questions didn't know that was in the game because, oh, I don't know, they don't work on the fucking art direction of the game, and they didn't know the art team threw in a cool thing but miniscule like that?
Anything to get on the good ol' "BLIZZ SUCKS NOW!!1!!111!" circlejerk train I guess.
524mills
So basically what you're saying is that the art direction just throws things in there without any collaboration with the story team? There's no effort or thought put into it like, "this looks really cool, but could there be a story behind it?" That pretty much supports my original claim. Overall effort into WoW is 48% art and 2% story.
524mills That might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that even they sometimes don't know what they are talking about. The Falstad Kurdran thing proved enough, since they are sitting there they are supposed to know everything there is to know, but they don't. A simple figuring out what happened to Arthas' body, giving a straight answer to the question if Illidan is dead or not, not implying that we've only explored half of Azeroth to further hype up the game, immediately being able to answer that Saurfang is a Blackrock orc, confirming Calia & Lianne Menethil's deaths (which seem pretty obvious because what the hell are they still going to do with the characters anyway), etc. These are just a few questions that have been asked in the past that sprung to my mind. It's quite unthinkable that we have 3 storywriters on stage, and dodgy answers are still being given. What's the point of having a lore Q&A if they can't provide answers?
Ah, nice - I even laughed
Oh my god - he needs a beard
Superficiality, what a beautiful curse upon the human race. 1: Jesse has lost a ton of weight since then and 2: He is a legend at what he does. Who cares what they look like?
But this just shows how out of control the lore in WoW has gone since Vanilla. Including the stupid Pandaria expansion :P
Gotta love that the "mic-holder" has a MLP shirt