There's a HIDDEN Mordin vs Grunt Confrontation in Mass Effect 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video we'll talk about the big confrontation between Mordin and Grunt that was cut from Mass Effect 2. While Bioware removed this from the final product, there are some unused audio clips that can still be found in the game! Keep watching to see and hear it all.
MASS EFFECT 2 - WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T RELEASE GRUNT FROM THE TANK
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MASS EFFECT 2 - WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU SIDE WITH MORINTH AGAINST SAMARA
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MASS EFFECT 3 - HOW TO SAVE MORDIN
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Earning the loyalty of your squadmates is one of the most important parts of Mass Effect 2. It can determine who lives and who dies during the final mission of the game. In order to earn your crew’s trust, you need to complete their loyalty missions to help them resolve any lingering personal issues before heading through the Omega 4 Relay.
However, completing loyalty missions alone is not enough because there are interpersonal beefs between some of your squadmates as well. At different points in the story you will need to squash some beef between crew members to keep everyone focused on the mission. These confrontations will be resolved with Shepard either passing a speech check to squash the beef or choosing a side in the argument.
In cases where Shepard has to choose a side, the loser of the argument will no longer be loyal to the Commander. However, Shepard can regain that loyalty with a one-on-one conversation after the fact.
In the case of Mordin and Grunt, these one-on-one conversations with Shepard are all that remains of their blowout fight. Because unfortunately the audio of the fight itself was either never recorded or not included in the game. Shoutout to TH-camr didymos1120 for extracting these files and sharing them online.
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Seeing this cut encounter makes me ponder about others that Bioware may have planned for Mass Effect 2. There are certainly tensions between other characters as well - like Thane and Jacob. They may have initially planned to have every single squadmate involved in one of these encounters, but eventually scaled it down.
In the end, I’m glad they did cut all of these confrontations. It’s already complicated enough to keep your entire crew alive in Mass Effect 2, without adding in more confrontations, speech checks and issues of loyalty. It would almost be like babysitting your crew was a whole ass game mechanic at that point.
Plus these confrontations would have felt more forced and less natural for some characters. Like who would Kasumi or Zaeed beef with? Would Garrus and Samara get into a blowout fight? I could potentially see differences of opinion arise with some crew members, but not to the same level as Jack and Miranda or Tali and Legion.
At the same time, a big confrontation between Mordin and Grunt would make a lot of sense. Grunt is restless and looking for a fight for the whole game, even after completing his Rite of Passage. He’s slowly learning what it means to be Krogan and also becoming proud of his Krogan nature. It would only be natural for his restless energy and Krogan pride to eventually take aim at Dr. Solus. Mordin’s work on the genophage modification project would be a lightning rod for conflict between him and Grunt. Mordin defends his work as well and would not likely back down in an argument. He also wouldn’t be afraid of violent threats, given his own training with STG.
In any case, all we can do now is speculate because this confrontation was not included in the final release. It’s still fun to talk about nonetheless.
The confrontations have history behind them. Jack and Miranda with Cerberus, Tali and Legion over the ongoing conflict. Mordin has history with the genophage, but Grunt doesn't. It was a good idea, but not good enough.
Yeah, and Grunt also isn´t all that aggressive unless someone gives him a reason. It´s not like him to go out and actively seek conflicts. Mordin is similar. He is largely at peace with what he did, and he´s aware of how other people may perceive him. In other words, neither Mordin nor Grunt are touchy about the subject.
A confrontation between samara/thane could've worked, samara wanting to kill thane for being an assassin and all, but I see why that wasn't implemented.
@@ieguras3425 Samara was under oath to follow Shepard. It would be better to have the confrontation in ME3, before Thane died.
@@jirkazalabak1514 yea, bringing that up could've been the paragon speech check
@@ieguras3425 Maybe, but I don´t think that Samara, who has centuries of experience as a Justicar, would forget about that detail. It just wouldn´t fit her character.
I gotta be honest, if they had a Thane/Jacob argument, I would have taken Thanes side rather than use paragon/renegade dialogue.
I believe "token" is the word
@@justinroberts2323 what
@@dkarinaj Probably a reference to Jacob being the token black guy and a terribly written character.
@@LadyAhro makes more sense now
Conrad Verner has a better-written story than Jacob.
This would have been a very interesting and engaging confrontation to deal with because I actually liked both Mordin and Grunt.
Yeah. I really like both Tali and Legion as well so that’s always interesting. Whereas I think we all know Miranda is in the wrong in their argument lol
@@haydengallina5554 I also would have been ok if they did a confrontation with Jacob and Thane too but I am satisfied with the 2 we got with Jack and Miranda and Legion and Tali.
@@haydengallina5554 Miranda was in the wrong however if I don’t have enough Paragon or Renegade then I always side with Miranda as Jack can survive the suicide mission even if she isn’t loyal where as Miranda would die if you sided with Jack.
Grunt can eat a D... Mordin is the low-key alpha
@@MrDusty515 The Jacob and Thane conflict would’ve been good. Thane has said he literally “is a weapon” therefore he has no moral qualms about killing “the innocent” because it’s not his fault, he has no agency. Jacob may not have been the most interesting character in the series (in fact he and Miranda I like the least) but he’s said enough to where I think he would be opposed to that way of thought.
Thane is one of my favorites. Right next to Wrex, Garrus, Zaeed, and Kasumi. However I am almost dogmatically opposed to his “I’m a weapon so morals play no part in my decisions” spiel. I mean if I hire an assassin to kill someone I’d say the assassin is more responsible than the client.
I'm glad they cut this. I can sort of see this happening, but grunt doesnt show as much animosity towards the genophage as someone like Wrex. Its possible of course if he started to after his Rite. I also think having too many of these in the game can feel like babysitting. And with how much is factored into the Miranda/Jack confrontation (how many missions are left, paragon/renagade ratio, etc.) It would force people to play every loyalty mission in a specific order.
Just watched a clip of Okeer, the Krogan warlord that created Grunt. He believed the Genophage was necessary for the true ascension of the Krogan race. He created Grunt not to cure the Genophage, but to ignore it.
Grunt doesn't care about the Genophage because he's unaffected by it, and Okeer would probably have imprinted him with the view that those Krogan who are stillborn weren't worthy of life at all.
I also feel like Mordin is too mature to throw a hissy fit over Shepard not siding with him on one ocasion, especially considering how many times you can question his decision to modify the genophage during his loyalty mission.
@@lucasmaia8315 Agreed. You can berate him every time you discuss the genophage and the worst thing he ever says to you is "Don't want me on team? Fine. Can stay here and work in lab."
If Wrex was still a squadmate i ME 2 over Grunt then yeah I can see something like this happening. Thing is Grunt doesnt exactly share the same 0light as the rest of the Krogan given his tankbred nature AND Okeer's views on the Genophage which would have likely been imprinted into Grunt
@@Anime-Doof but he is affected by the genophage. EDI says as much when looking at Grunt while he's still in the pod. "Aside from the genophage markers present in all Krogan, he is in perfect health".
When Okeer said that Grunt was perfect he didn't only mean his physical abilities but also his mental health. Grunt is not scarred by the tragedy of the genophage, he knows about it and understands it, but it doesn't define him as a person or a Krogan - a lot of Krogans are sad, depressed and don't care about their own lives - can't really blame them. Grunt on the other hand cares deeply for his "clan", and he puts it above petty grudges against Turians or Salarians - similarly as a healthy human would put his family/close circle of friends/chain of command over his own desires and pleasures.
That's why grunt would be a perfect second in command for wrex. Wrex being the ideal leader for peaceful krogan society and grunt being the ideal general to jump to violence in defense of his clan when it is necessary.
I love his line of "I get it, I hate turians" like he was newly racist against them because he knows what they did
ur just making that up cuz u want it to be true
@@darthbanana7 Have you paid any attention to the dialogue of the Krogan? Named and NPC? Most of them *are* depressed, with their depressions split between sad/angry, desperate/insane, vengeful/suicidal (debatably). I mean bloody Hell Wrex was ready to abandon the entire Krogan race in ME 1 prior to the reveal that a cure to the Genophage was more than a pipedream, he gave up on them and nearly every talk with him about them just plain sounds depressed/angry/annoyed and above all disappointed.
@@chriskoloski32 more of a teenage angst tho. When you don’t care much about what you hate, but the hate itself
I’d say the conflict would be a little forced and unneeded since Grunt is tank bred and whatever happened with the others isn’t really much of a concern for him. Least for now considering he’s fresh out for now.
He do say that he have memories that arent his own that make him want to fight and how much he hate Turians. Much of it was coded into him so he would understand what it was to be Krogan.
@@TheMjohann yeah, but at the same time he did express not caring about most historical krogan events. Also, for clarity, Grunt chose to hate turians. He wasn't compelled to. He was so excited over this chosen hatred that he gleefully expressed it to mama Shepherd.
It should also be mentioned that Okeer didn’t care about the genophage. He actually thought it made the Krogan weak because every child is considered precious. It’s unlikely grunt would have a strong opinion about the Genophage fresh out of the tank since Okeer didn’t. Honestly I’m glad they cut this one, it feels forced.
Not gonna lie, your Mordin is pretty damn good.
Down a couple espressos and you'll probably be perfect.
Was about to say. His Mordin is pretty good.
Play back at 1.5 speed for a similar effect lol
@@jezusbloodie did that it sounds pretty damn similar to me I'm not sure if I'd say 100%, but very damn close if not 100
@@darkcrimsonmagi6528 & pitch it up in Audacity by about 5-10%.
I think he got down Mordin's manner of speaking perfectly. That impressed me the most.
That renegade mordin convo is badass mordin is so cool. Also interesting that he said he hates being told he made a mistake, and in 3 one of his most powerful lines is "I made a mistake"
I made him a steak
I got a lump in my throat when he shouted that line out in the base of the tower. It was a shock to see Mordin lose his cool even for a second.
I could see Garrus and Zaeed potentially having beef as Garrus is an ex C-Sec officer who hunted mercy, and Zaeed literally founded one of the main groups Garrus went after, plus the people of the refinery dying to kill Vido
I agree. I think Garrus and Samara had the most potential for conflicts with other people as their world views are very black and white.
I think Garrus would argue with Zaeed in the first Mass Effect 1 but after he left and probably hearing his story he would actually like Zaeed they're almost like opposites
In the Citadel DLC they're actually best buddies coming up with different ideas on how to booby trap Shepard's appartment against of intruders.
They actually got along though.
The thing is, Garrus always gets along with everyone lol.
The fact you included your own version of a voiceover...
Subbed.
Dubbed actually.
From that point forward: "Shepard." "Grunt." "Shepard." "Mordin."
Shepaaarrrrrd.
@@cjnf11 - *SHEPAAARRRRD*
Maybe Thane and Jakob had a fight too, but either was cut very early in development or just a mere idea. Also, imagine a fight with EDI and Joker because they can't tolerate eachother at some point, and that would be crucial for the last mission, specifically the part of the Normandy
whos jacob?
@@robertdunham6028 The Kaiden of the game... you know the male human squad member no one takes on any missions as soon as possible with the exception of his loyalty mission....
@@fredcasdensworld you mean black kaiden
I would NEVER take Jacob’s side in that argument. Even if I had enough renegade or paragon to defuse the argument neutrally, I’d still back Thane up! And for a renegade response to Jacob afterwards “Your points are invalid AND unwelcome. If you’re gonna stir up tension, at least have a point to make.”
@@fredcasdensworld Really? I took him on a few. I liked the guy. For one thing, he felt like the only actual soldier on board. Garrus came close, but he still felt more like a cop or vigilante sniper rather than a true front-line soldier. Jacob felt like a guy I'd expect to be one of the Marines on the ground. I found that refreshing considering the cast was lacking that. Enigmatic scientist, sarcastic pilot, thug krogan, mercenary (Zaheed), assassins (Thane, Jack) and/or crooks (Kasumi), engineers (Tali, Legion, the duo below), secretary who could fight (Miranda), not sure what to call Samara, but even she didn't feel like a soldier to me. If anything, she was more like a paladin. More religious zealot than fighter despite her skills.
But then I'm the weird guy who liked Star Trek 5, Star Wars Episode 1, and didn't mind Jar Jar. So I probably have weird tastes all around.
I don’t know, Grunt never struck me as one to have any serious feelings on the Genophage either way. Wrex would have certainly gone after Mordin but not Grunt, not every Krogan is defined by the genophage, it would feel incredibly forced for Grunt to start spouting political rallying cries like Wrex did in ME1 just to create conflict.
Equally, although Mordin is proud of his scientific achievements, it becomes apparent in his loyalty mission that he is secretly ashamed of his work on the genophage which plays a part in his work on curing it in the final game. So would he be so dismissive of Grunt's feelings as the audio files imply? 🤷♂️
and alone the fact that you can convince him to keep Maelon's data in ME2. It's nice that Wrex doesn't hold grudges against Shepard if Shepard convinced Solus to keep the data. It was always so sad for me when I only had ME3, to hear Wrex tell me that I betrayed him.
I wish Bioware did something more with the fights. Prior and post the fights it's completely forgotten about. Jacob and Thane seem to have a problem when you recruit the latter. However nothing ever comes of it. As of the ones who do fight there is never any strife on missions. It was a missed opportunity. I am glad they cut it out for Mordin and Grunt. It doesn't make any sense.
Well Thane is a professional, he can put feelings aside.
Looking at some of the existing voice lines and dialogue we know got cut, I think there was supposed to be a lot more of these companion confrontations (among a few dozen other narrative features) that ended up cut.
This is all speculation based on what I know from knowledge I’ve learned from rooting around the game files, raw save data, and existing but unused voice lines.
Mass effect 2 was supposed to be a much bigger and intricate game. There are tons of voice lines recorded for companion and mission combinations that in the base game are not possible (ie. Legion on Horizon or during Jack’s recruitment) and the game is too segmented with its recruitment and location availability, which seems to almost discourage exploration, even though exploration is a big part of the ME universe.
The best theory I’ve found is that BioWare was not limited by time or resources, but by limitations of consoles at the time. I bought a copy of ME2 within a week of its release for the Xbox360 and it was the first game I ever saw that needed two separate disks to run. It was so much game already that it needed multiple disks to store all the data, and even then it still probably was only 2/3 of what BioWare intended it to be
I can see the Jacob/Thane fight. Jacob has issues with his abandoning father and Thane is an abandoning father, plus the 'precise mercenary' stuff.
I can also see Garrus and Zaeed maybe. Garrus had issues with the Blue Suns and Zaeed founded them.
Garrus’ old team was ex-mercs who wanted to change. I see samara definitely getting pissed after zaeed kills all those people on the factory tho.
That would've been a good potential to actually develop jacob as a character.
From what I heard there were going to be a lot more confrontations, but they only left two in the final game because having ALL the team mates at each other's throats would make them look inefficient as a whole.
Another thing I heard was that Grunt vs Mordin was going to be Grunt, after his rite of passage, going to Mordin and declaring his very creation nullified Mordin's genophage work while Mordin tries to say otherwise.
And from what I remember the speculated confrontations would be Garrus vs Samara (as both are technically vigilante's with different ideals of justice), Zaeed vs Kasumi (an argument over whether stealth or brute force attack is the way to go in battle), and Jacob vs Thane (due to Jacob's distrust of assassins).
Personally if this is to believed, I would have loved it if Jacob and Thane's fight was defused by bringing up each other's families; reminding Thane about Jacob's father and the atrocities he's committed, that Jacob is probably still upset by it and telling him to ease up while reminding Jacob that, unlike HIS father, Thane is actually working on trying fix things between him and his son.
@@1fishmob Thane just seems too mellow to want to fight with anyone honestly. He's an assassin but he has like... next to zero aggression. Makes it feel like any argument would be very one sided.
@@KuariThunderclaw I know, but I never said would WANT to fight. Who knows, maybe Jacob could just be venting his frustrations on Thane because he doesn't trust and assassin?
I think another reason why they cut it is because just the way the crogans are written and the way grunt is written to be a pure krogan among them I don't see krogan doing anything other than just ripping Mordins. head off his kind don't really do verbal arguments
@@1fishmob Garrus vs Samara confrontation is pointless because
1- Garrus doesn't like to follow protocols when he has to do something and Samara doesn't follow any rules besides her codes.
2- Garrus is like Shepard and okay with most things. Garrus kinda gives the idea of him being a Spectre as well.
Thus their confrontations pointless.
Jacob vs Thane's confrontation is not pointless but Thane didn't pursue this situation at all. Thane immediately drops the fight and tries to live his life in the good way possible and making amends to his son.
Zaeed vs Kasumi confrontation is not possible at all. Zaeed probably doesn't care about what she thinks because Zaeed is a mercenary at his core. He kind of thinks of himself as a person who hired to do a job.
"Almost tore him a new cloaca, or.. whatever they have"
Grunt would take a modified Mark 14 grenade (cobalt-salted micro-nuke), stick it up his clacker, and let it rotate with some Biotic Powers 😅
Lost it at "had to stop it before you tore him a new cloaca or something" fucking dead
Also i could see Garrus & Sumara since their both cops/ex cops. Sumara sighting that Garrus' desire for vengeance goes against the Code, making him little better than the mercs he killed. Garrus rebuttling with all the red tape getting in the way of justice & saying she was no different with chasing down & killing her daughter no matter who got in her way.
Grunt saying he and Shepard are clan makes me emotional. ME 2 has several implications that Grunt sees Shepard as a paternal figure, but that line just confirms it.
Also, your impressions of Grunt and Mordin are totally spot-on
Mordin in ME2: Tired of being yelled at, being told I made a mistake. Thought that ended on Tuchanka.
Mordin in ME3 (on Tuchunka): I MADE A MISTAKE!
He doesn’t say this, he says that curing the genophage will help with war, but still insist that it was the right choice to create genophage in the first place
"Squash the beef" love this phrase
I kinda like this, am actually tempted to try my hand at additional options. Your voiced lines sounded like they were a Renegade option, so I'm going to try do a Paragon option, and then siding with one or the other.
Paragon:
Shepard: Enough. The team needs both of you! Grunt, if we didn't have Mordin, what would have happened when you came up against the Collector Seeker Swarms?!
Grunt: Gaah! I'd... be stung by them, helpless... weak!
Shepard: Mordin, if we hadn't awoken Grunt, we'd be severely lacking in manpower, especially against a foe like the Collectors? Do you want our operational performance to be compromised like that?
Mordin: So you say krogan aggression useful as long as directed at enemies? Wait, wait, can see now; krogan useful, aggression becomes force multiplier for our side... Could make all the difference.
Grunt: I hate to say it, but you're right. I was designed to be the perfect krogan, to find worthy enemies, but there are some I cannot even harm with weapons. You've made your point. Without his mind we wouldn't even be able to shoot at the Collectors, much less fight them, so I'll overlook his role in upgrading the genophage.
Mordin: Glad we were able to resolve this peacefully. Can finally focus on big picture again. Thank you Shepard.
Choose Grunt:
Shepard: Mordin, you've essentially put the krogan on a crash course towards extinction. They have a right to be angry at you for that!
Grunt: Especially when you fight like such a coward, with diseases!
Mordin: Thought you were clearer-headed than this Shepard! Not only have to deal with krogan aggression, but human stupidity!
Choose Mordin:
Shepard: You krogan are always looking for the next thing to bash your head against! You can't blame the salarians for taking precautions.
Grunt: WHAT?! And to think I was willing to name you as my Battlemaster! Bah!
[Grunt storms off]
Mordin: Thank you Shepard. Krogan instability problematic enough as is without him picking fights with team members.
...
Otherwise, with other group conflicts, other possibilities I can see are maybe:
Garrus and Zaeed butting heads because Zaeed was willing to blow up an entire refinery just to get at one man, and in response Zaeed tells Garrus to man up and stop being such a wuss about dead squad members.
Samara and Kasumi butting heads due to the Hock heist, because Samara as a Justiciar cannot be a party to criminal activity, but Kasumi retorting that not everyone can just throw away their pasts willy-nilly.
Or maybe Samara and Garrus clashing over their ideas of what justice is
Maybe Thane has a dispute with Kasumi because she uses her stealth and abilities solely for personal gain, whereas he uses it for others (even if just as an employer contracting him). She disagrees because she doesn't kill if she can help it, whereas he pretty much ONLY kills.
Jacob and Zaeed, now that I'm thinking about it, seems pretty obvious: Jacob thinks that Zaeed blowing up the refinery and potentially killing tons of innocents just to get at one man is way over the line, and Zaeed calls Jacob young and naive, pointing out what time does to people and using his father as an example.
I remember when you barely had over 1000 subs. Glad more people are subbing to you, your content is good.
That was like 2 weeks ago 😂
They should have minor arguments often but not with loyalty on the line. Just because there is an argument, there shouldn't be feeling of betrayal if argument is not heated enough.
Or like, you disagreed with me? How could you betray me so? I hate you forever now!
It's implied that they have been fighting or disagreeing with each other over the course of the game and it cane to a head.
I would have generally liked the crew to interact more with each other, however not to a point where you just have to have enough Paragon/Renegade score just so you could keep their loyalty.
I kinda get why they dropped the Grunt v. Mordin, though. I mean yeah there’s bad blood between Salarians and the Krogan but it never really comes in to either character’s interaction with each other. Grunt’s honestly too young to have more than a cultural dislike for Salarians and the Doc would have far more annoyance with Grunt’s creator/father than Grunt himself. So it makes sense to drop that clash.
Thane vs. Jacob, however, would still have been super interesting given each characters’ history and shared themes. I kind of wish they’d kept that in for the sake of more content with the two characters.
Though with wrex, it's more close to being possible since you know you know
Because damn i would want that in me2, and would have that greater effect feeling on it
Mordin was probably trying to fix him up with Garrus, like he did with Eve. Probably had hidden cameras and a buyer for the video.
Damn good Solus impression, Dan. Well done!
I took grunt to Maelon mission just to see if anything happens
i always take tali..... just for that one sidequest and her line...
@@dennisnedry8126 “Not whining like some Quarian with a tummyache!”
“I’m right here!”
Your Mordin is spot on lmao
Thanks haha! I felt like I got the cadence right lol
Your speed is great for Mordin.
I knew they had planned this but I didn’t know it was recorded, things for posting this!
If Samara were going to have a blow-out argument with someone, I assume it would have been with Zaeed or Kasumi.
I tend to lean more towards the idea of it being Kasumi, as Samara was essentially a "Law-and-Order, Honor-Driven Samurai" type of character, and Kasumi was the, "Shady, Clandestine Ninja-Thief" type.
I imagine the two would have quarreled over the morality of Kasumi's life as a thief, and, "What could she know about things like Honor, or Love?" Where as Kasumi probably would have rebuked with something like, "That's rich, coming from the woman who murdered one of her own children and abandoned the other two on a prison-planet."
And Shepard likely would have had to make them see the common-ground between them; Samara seeing Kasumi's devotion to Keiji, and her desire to keep the Galaxy safer by getting the Gray Box out of the hands of Hawke, while Kasumi would have understood Samara's dedication to her oath and the mutual pain they share in losing a loved-one.
As for Thane, I imagine he and Zaeed would have a blow-out on the finer-points between a "Mercenary" and an "Assassin."
5:25 WHAT!!!! That was you doing those voices I thought it was a more secret audio files you got a hold of
I’m not sure how an argument between Garrus and Samara would go.
If it was Morinth maybe.
Justice vs revenge perhaps? Or unbending devotion to a code vs focusing on the spirit of what the code means?
With Garrus suspecting Morinth’s facade, and attempting to uncover it? That’d be pretty cool, since he used to be a cop.
"ain't it a damn shame that I wasn't hired for voice acting in ME 2?" you damn right bud, damn right (and also the lead writer) lol
Really digging your content dude, so good, even for an old Bioware fan who's been playing ME for 10 years now. still getting new pieces of info from your vids, keep up the great work.
btw, I personally feel that Grunt is not the type of guy that cares much about genophage. like he never cared much for it or other krogan shit, just being himself, Grunt. a krogan yes, but also just Grunt. But that's just how I feel about this. Might feel different now if they had put these teammate beefs in the game.
Mordin vs Wrex makes more sense
Exactly. Grunt never tried to have children. We can only scepulate who many potential children of Wrex (thousends, hundred of thousands?) and Utah orBakara or whatever female already died to this point.
and we thankfully do get that in me3 :D
If it was Wrex and Mordin, it would have made more sense
Or Mordin and Okeer. I can't see Mordin being genuinely angered by anyone he doesn't consider his intellectual equal.
They both fight because Grunt ate Mordin's favourite yogurt from the fridge.
I understand why they made it, but I also understand why it was cut. Grunt is the least likely krogan to react this way, at least in 2.
Jack vs miranda
Tali vs legion
Mordin vs grunt
Jacob vs thane
Joker vs edi
Technically there is a samara vs morinth which is more deadly
And garrus just gets along with everybody
Garrus: why can't we be friends?
Everyone else: die you person that has opposing views!
Kasumi should totally steal from Zayeed, but he's either too stupid to notice it or has a secret crush on her. Like make it a non-conflict.
@@rdkap42 It would be interesting if she snuck in to his quarters and stole Jessie.
Garrus (Ex-Cop) vs Kazumi (Master Thief) would have been nice 🤷♂️
It's because he's just sitting there doing calibrations
Damn i choked laughing at your take on Grunt vs Mordin haha.
There are some recorded but unused lines on the Collector Base as well - apparently Mordin was originally a biotic, and he could have been chosen for The Long Walk (his lines are basically “Return to force field! Vulnerable to swarms outside of it!” Or something)
Dude. You made the best Mordin impersonation I've heard. Nice one :)
I always thought it was strange they never had a confrontation.
A Jacob/Thane fight would have been very interesting, given Jacobs relationship with his father and Thane's relationship with his son
As much as I absolutely loved your Mordin impression, I get the feeling that Grunt wouldn't have given a shit about the genophage. He just wants to fight lol.
ohhhhh my god why is your 'possible confrontation' SOOO accurate though
Maybe they could have added some conflicts into the missions, while still giving you enough time to gain back their loyalty. Having them all on the ship would have felt too repetitive.
Actually Garrus vs Samara kinda makes sense. First, both of their loyalty missions are about assassination of a person. Second, Garrus and Morinth have some similarities (being the rebelling child that didn't get along well with their parent and how that parent imagined their life), the same way Samara and Garrus' father have (being the parent that is focused on rules, that's also disappointed in their kid), so knowing that Samara executed Morinth without afterthought and without showing any emotions would be too much for Garrus (it could also be fueled by his daddy issues, making him think that his father could also execute him if he knew he became a vigilante and possibly being considered a murderer by law).
Thane and Jacob would definietly be about disappearing father, considering that both of them reunite with their respective family member (I assume, knowing Jacob he would just project his issues with his father onto Thane and his relationship with Koylat which would cause conflict).
Kasumi and Zaeed wouldn't have any conflicts, because I doubt they were written before the idea of many conflicts was scrapped, so there's nothing to indicate any signs of conflict between those two (especially considering they pretty much are less of a character on a ship than EDI and Joker, or even Kelly).
Garrus vs samara argument would have been by far one of the most interesting... Garrus has history of hating c-sec regulations and bureaucratic red tape, while samara basically has a religion devoted to rules and the badge and would likely see garrus as a deserter of his oath
Mordin is awesome. His final appearance in Mass 3 is one of my favorite sequences in the trilogy
Thats amazing, these interactions wouldve been nice but it does mirror Miranda vs Jack lol still cool to wonder what if
while I agree that there shouldn't be a fight between each memebers of your crew you could defiatly see this happens in pairs- Jack vs Miranda, Tali vs Legion (both in games) Grunt vs Mordin (see video), the other pairs I believe would be Garrus vs Samara (diffrent views on how to deal with criminals perhaps? Law vs vigilantism) and you can see in game how Jacob doesnt like Thane. The DLC duo I wont belive would fight since you can't gurantee they both would be in your game but unless the devs made their "backstories rivals" they won't fight. And while I agree with what you said (if any duo fought in the normandy you would feel like a babysitter) I think it would be nice if like in mass effect 3 you could see them talk in the normandy between missions about their diffrent world views instead each of them being stuck in their own room.
also great video, as a Mass effect fan I never knew it
Heard Jacob and thane were also suppose to have an argument
Grunt!
@@commandershephard5019 sHuPeRd!!
We'll bang ok?
@Ciel Phantomhive Gokuson Jacob sux. I made him die in my Final mission at Me2 and everyone else is alive
Your impressions of grunt, mordin and shepard are...actually good. :V
You have good writing skills! Great impromptu confrontation scenario 😂
Hey I just want to thank you for covering Mass Effect like you have been. As a huge fan it means a lot, too bad there’s almost no chance of another great game...
I can see a Zaeed/Garrus confrontation if you spared Sidonis but killed Vido or vice versa. One of them would be yelling about how their target lived, but the other’s got to die, and they’d get into a fight over it that Shepard would have to break up. I think it’d be a good way to get Zaeed’s loyalty if you saved the engineers, but had Garrus just shoot Sidonis, like I did on my first playthrough.
you did the voiceovers great in the argument. the dialogue seemed real.
They should have done arguments for the entire crew. Not only would it give you the feel that this is a ragtag crew of individuals that don't necessairly get along and trying to make them get along would be a part of your task as a leader for this team. That being said, I do see the problems with that in terms of the dialouge and reasoning on why arguments would start and who would start these arguments.
Jack vs miranda
Tali vs legion
Mordin vs grunt
Jacob vs thane
Joker vs edi
Technically there is a samara vs morinth which is more deadly
And garrus just gets along with everybody
Again Dan you Blow my mind on how you find these things THANK YOU!
A Jacob/Grunt fight wouldn't feel forced. Jacob's father abandoned him, Thane left his son and didn't return. I could see Jacob getting emotional about it and mayne projecting a little.
If I wrote this game, Grunt would have a blowout fight with every single other character on the N2 over increasingly petty disagreements if Shepard didn't choose him often enough to accompany on missions. Just to illustrate how pent-up Grunt was getting, and also add some levity to the game.
That would have been so funny!
S: "What's wrong this time?"
G: Insert petty reason for argument
S: "Want to go kill stuff till you feel better?"
G: "...yes..."
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Would have been more interesting if this was between Wrex/Mordin. Grunt is tank-bred and his hatred of salarians and the genophage is imprinted more than genuine.
Also the secret in Citadel archives when Salarians and few other Turians was against genophage and then that commander in Turian army turned it on, that was mind blowing discovery for me, so actually Salarians was against Genophage, not all but majority of them also Turians.
Jack v Miranda: Fighting about Cerberus and their experiments on Jack
Tali v Legion: Fighting because of the animosity between their species, and the implications of war.
Grunt v Mordin: Fighting about the genophage
Thane v Jacob: Fighting about whether you can trust criminal assassins to watch your back on a life or death mission
Garrus v Samara: Fighting, because Samara threatens Garrus due to his loose morals, whereas Garrus gets bad reminders of c-sec bureacracy from Samara's code.
Zaeed v Kasumi: Fighting because Kasumi stole some of Zaeed's battle trophies
I love how there are all about their morality, background and point of view
Then the last One Is beacause Kasumi can't keep her hands into her pockets
@@Ale-dd3ek Renegade option: I am never gonna buy dlc again
Zaaed: Hey, stealing is cool. Please steal more from me.
Ksaumi: yea, I am Asian remember that
This actually should’ve been in the game. The Salarians and Krogan are mortal enemies. Why wouldn’t they get into a heated argument?
Because Grunt doesn't care about the genophage or the salarians (or the turians, for that matter). He rejects the past grudges of the krogan and Okeer. The only time he expressed any interest in historical enemies of the krogan is in ME3 when he was in the rachni tunnels and wanted to destroy them. But then again, he considered them worthy enemies to be destroyed, which is his main drive.
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Agreed, but we can also agree that if Wrex was a part of the crew, this argument DEFINITELY would've happened, I strongly believe.
@@Joker-dn5xs Yes, definitely.
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That was impressive! Especially Mordon, just started watching your videos and I'm loving it. Mass effect is such a cool franchise, it deserves to be as big as star wars or star trek. Its just as good.
It would probably be between Garrus and Thane over the nature of justice and the use of violence to pursue it, Thane is reaching the end of that road and sees Garrus taking the first steps down it, Thane confronts Garrus to dissuade him from going to extreme solutions, while Garrus calls Thane a hypocrite.
That would be an interesting one but I don't think it woukd translate. Consider: Thane understands Garrus' motives and it would be within his character to push Garrus to be a better man than Thane and to push people away like he did. Thane would encourage that revenge is beneath Garrus and sometimes you have to let the past go. Garrus understands that Thane wasn't blessed with an easy life and he made some bad choices but understands he's trying to be a better person. Honestly, they seem more like bros than anything.
"Tired of being told I make mistakes"
God that hits hard with added context
I'm amazed at your ability to write dialogue in Mordin's voice. His way of speaking is so... specific, how do you even come up with words that are so accurate to his character? 😲
Yeah I’m kinda glad they left this out because I don’t think it actually suits their personalities/world view. Mordin isn’t emotionally motivated by anything really and Grunt, even with join Clan Urdnot still doesn’t really give a fuck about Krogan grievances. He doesn’t really care about the genophage, he just really likes fighting and testing his strength.
I spilled my coffee listening to your lines at the end hahahahahahaha, nailed it with both, voice and actual dialogue xddd
Thanks for sharing this one Dan! Keep up the fun work! 👍😁
Miranda vs Jack - know about
Tali vs Legion - know about
Mordin vs Grunt - know about (thanks to this vid)
Thane vs Jacob - could be about parenting from the child side Jacob and the father side Thane
Garrus vs Samara - could be about Garrus squad being unjust and Samara taking objection while Garrus believes the criminals can be sometimes helpful
Zaeed vs Kasumi - dlc argument about Donovon hock being old friends with Zaeed (blue suns)
Your imagined lines were good in writing and your salarian on point very much ;)
Oof, glad this was cut, i don't think I could handle Mordin calling me "human"
I don't see Samara and Garrus getting into a conflict. If anything, they would understand each other. I doubt she would take issue w/his work as Archangel when she effectively does the same thing As a Justicar. If Samara would come into conflict w/anyone, it'd likely be Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi, Miranda and Jacob, maybe even Thane.
Wow! You really sound fit for all the characters!
Isn’t Grunt’s existence a giant middle finger to the Genophage though? If anything, I think Mordin would be fascinated by Grunt and maybe even wish to study him. As for Grunt, I would think at most he would only mock Mordin for the same reason.
Maybe I’m downplaying some things but I don’t think Grunt has the same animosity towards the Salarians since he himself hasn’t experienced any of their work. Of course, Okeer did imprint memories in Grunt but it’s not the same as experience. All Grunt wants is to fight “enemies” whoever that may be.
0:55 oh noooo not everyone’s favorite character Jacob!
Your improv dialogue brought up an interesting point. The Collectors aren't a common enemy. I could be wrong, but weren't they only collecting humans? Makes me wonder why the others signed on to help with a largely human threat.
The Collectors were working for the reapers. The reapers wanted to destroy and enslave all organic life in the galaxy, a fact that Sovereign had made evident when it attacked the Citadel.
It would have been cool if the two dlc squad mates (Zaaed and Kasumi) had an encounter like jack and Miranda maybe because zaaed was chasing a bounty on kasumi and her partner and Injured them
No disrespect intended here but I don't understand what the point of that would be. Would seem a bit forced and random
@@orcho141 no, it makes sense from a profession based perspective. Kasumi’ s Cagey dude was infamous as not only a petty thief but also as an “acquirer” of sensitive intelligence; it’s why he has a graybox in the first place. If someone got pissed off enough at Cagey, he would hire a legendary bounty hunter like Zaeed to put Cagey down. And Kasumi is very sentimental, so I can see her holding a grudge. Zaeed wouldn’t give a good goddamn, since it was just another job,
That recreation of conversation was pretty on point
Im glad they did cut those. Infact the confrontation between Jacob and Thane after recruiting Thane seems so out of place and forced... i mean throughout the game Jacob is always considered "a gun for hire" and yet he speaks about Thane being assasin for hire. The only reasonable confrontation between Mordin and Grunt is infact the genophage... but that topic has been used way too much. And while i could see to an extent Garrus in disagreement with Samara - they are somewhat similar. About Kasumi vs Zaeed - Thats impossible. They both stuck in the past
Garrus would probably have an argument with Zaeed, considering the latter started the Blue Suns. The resolution to this conflict may actually turn them into war buddies, in a similair fashion in ME3 Miranda and Jack appear to be bonding, with the two mercs rigging Shepard's apartment with additional security.
Jacob vs Thane seems intuitive, especially since one has issues with his father and the other issues with his son.
Samara already had a beef with Morinth. What if... Shepard could recuirt BOTH of them? Keep both of them alive, double the biotics power for the sake of defeating the Collectors? Samara would have exercise insane willpower not to terminate Morinth, while the latter would end up scheming against Shepard and her mother.
Kasumi seems like the only person not to have a beef with anyone, until she would steal everyone's posessions, Yuffie style loel.
Not going to lie, your voice work was actually pretty decent. Obviously the impersonations were jokes/parodies, but you pretty much nailed the rhythm and intonation of especially Mordin.
I REALLY like your Mordin accent. Literally sounds like him.
I'm actually glad they cut this content. Mordin sounds a little off during these audio clips. Almost like a child, and Shepard is basically saying she is lying to the other to protect their soft feelings. I love Mordin and Grunt so I'm happy these clips didn't end up in the final product.
I love your Mordin impression. You’d make a fantastic salarian
"Tired of being yelled at, tired of being told that i made a mistake"
Keeping that encounter and those dialogues would be a great foreshadowing at what fight is Mordin is with himself all through to his final moments in ME3
I love your Mordin Impression! :D
Dude your scenario of what the scene would have been like is spot on how I would see it going. Really shows how much you know Mass Effect. Keep up the great vids.
Garrus would've definitely beefed with Samara. She is completely bound by her code, while Garrus is constantly questioning appeals to authority.
Garrus is way too chill to go around beefing with others, unless they started giving you shit
Mordin fought and took down a krogan with only a pitch fork. It's why his face became scarred and his head is missing the right side horn.
The renegade put down for Tali/Legion conflict had such psycho energy made me feel like he's finally cracking after (Shep)herding a galaxy worth of cats throughout the trilogy
Shame this was cut out. I can understand Bioware might have believed there to be too many confrontations. Unlike the Miranda/Jack arguement, however, this one isn't about pointless drama. It shows serious character growth for Grunt.
While he initially shows indifference toward the genophage and even some disdain for Krogan as a species, it makes sense that his views would start to change after he becomes part of Clan Urdnot.
I am not sure if it would be growth as Okeer made Grunt to be a "perfect" Krogan part of with was not allowing the genophage to affect him mentally. Unlike most Krogan Grunt just does care, sure it exists but it is no weight on his shoulders, or should that be Hump? Most other Krogan the genophage has consumed their lives and they live like dead men as Wrex infers in ME!.
"There's a HIDDEN Mordin vs Grunt Confrontation in Mass Effect 2"
Cut from game
:/
Makes sense. Grunt is a "pure" Krogan his kind doesn't do arguments he'd just lose his temper and rip Mordins head off.