SVS Crushes NAD and Bluesound w/t New Prime Wireless Pro Soundbase
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does the new soundbase pro by svs have better volume scaling than the first one?
Finally! An integrated amp that has native Chromecast support that doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
Just got my Soundbase after looking at a few other solutions. What can I say. This is a wonderful machine. I was afraid of getting a small class D, but to keep the Mrs. happy, I gave it a go. Music just never sounded so good. I really wanted a class AB amp, but didn't have to room to conceal it. I am happy SVS came out with this. Smallest niggle, if I stream and go away, if I turn on my TV I have to use the remote to tell it to use the HDMI. Not a deal breaker by any means.
I wonder how this stacks up against the Bluesound powernode..🤔
Love your review Texan. Even watch when I'm not interested in the product being reviewed which is a testament to how enjoyable your channel is...request you to do a segment about how we can use 2 good floorstanders, a good subwoofer and a set of home theatre surrounds to deliver great home theatre plus hifi 2.1 stereo sound using one set of power amps, a HT receiver, a great DAC and sources for music and movies...I'd like to use the same two floorstanders for both home theatre and music
Great review Randy, HDMI and a good remote that is quite an upgrade. I don't know what to think about play-fi, it was bad for so long it is hard to get my head around the change. Thanks
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Hey Randy, it's Curt Jurgens. Watched TCM when it first launched. Only complaint is they never aired as many Studio titles as they professed access to.
I'm not surprised this sounds good. I got a set of the SVS wireless prime pro speakers with similar internal electronics (class D amps (4), wifi streaming, same remote LOL- etc) and they are a remarkable system- my god they are so good. and yes, play-fi works pretty seamlessly and, of course - the files are fed straight from wifi as opposed to being cast via bluetooth by the phone you sat on last week.
Randy,
Thank you for your video and the encouraging things to hear about Play-Fi on this device. I have been rooting for Play-Fi for years (despite its issues) and it has slowly improved. I own six of the Klipsch Gate units and they are still going strong.
Tone controls are a must have.
My pre amp for my turn table has tone controls and I will be using Spotify to stream which has a adjustable eq. So should I worry about the lack of tone controls? I will be using it for my tv but I’m not really a home theater person just Netflix etc..
That new soundbase with Airplay 2 is really tempting.
Emotiva BasX TA1 $599 with USB is a better choice than HDMI ARC for me. I don't like static Spotify on my OLED TV burning in my screen. Hooking this to your TV for 2CH is not my bag. Do the SVS sound better than TA1?
No streamer
HDMI arc adapteri cost about 15 bucks and can be attached to any RCA input.
Most people have a universal or a multi-device remote. These manufacturers just need to add "learning" capability rather than spending more money on yet another remote. But +1 on SVS to do the upgrade. The old Soundbase was hard to use without a remote.
This one feels a little clickbaity and from a price perspective, you forgot to mention the Bluesound Powernode Edge, which gives you everything (including HDMI and Sub management) the Sonudbase 2 does but for $649. It does all of that while still providing what is in my opinion and apparently yours, a superior app experience, which to most people streaming is a high priority when deciding on what streamer/amp combo to buy.
I can't speak to the overall sound quality, tone, etc of either so perhaps the Soundbase is indeed a better choice for some people depending on their listening preferences, but this feels like an oversight in an effort to hype the new Soundbase.
After a lot of issues with Play Fi over the years and as recently as 2021, it's difficult for me to move away from Bluesound's interface, which is practically flawless. I do love me some SVS though and I hope that this product gains more momentum than V1.
SVS has a remote, more power, and actual rca’s. I’d like to see a shootout with these two though.
@@timtroxell4857 All true and I agree on the shootout!
The Edge is like half the power of the new Soundbase. A better comparison would be with the Powernode.
@@JeffHeon I think you're missing the point of my comment.
i dont comment hardly but if anybody knows you the coffee cup is the Metallica Black / and i would like to thank you i bought my first D.A.C. Schiit Modi 3E tonight thanks for the advice i have been a subscriber for 2 or 3 years i remembered. you did a video on top 15 or so D.A.C.'S so i went through your videos and got what sounded best to start with
I have a Yamaha aventage home theater receiver it streams music fine
Amozon straight thru the receiver Apple Music thru my Apple TV and hdmi connection. Sounds great
Dangit, now I want bronze remotes.
They would be super cool
Hard disagree Randy- that USB is for service only, and that’s a huge miss. On the NAD and Bluesound devices, I can attach a USB drive filled with my FLAC library and have that in addition to streaming services, etc.
Bummer 😕
This may be the perfect replacement for my old Denon receiver (right channel starting to go). The HDMI Arc and streaming are exactly what I'm looking for for my TV. Thanks Randy!
Could never give up a center channel when it comes to tv and movies. So important to have your dialogue on that center channel imo
I feel it's a great value. Two questions though. Back of unit says hdmi arc...not earc. Yet their spec page says both. Is it both? Or just arc? Lastly, they mention 150 watts into a 4ohm load....what is the wattage rating into a 8ohm load?
88W
Greenish/orange patina over time would be 👌🏼
Sith Audio Relic Remotes - with that vintage look from day 1
Good to hear your 'reassurances' regarding Play-Fi, but I am totally unfamiliar with it, and I do a great deal of streaming and try to stay abreast of worthwhile audio products. But, I remain very skeptical of Play-Fi. And part of my concern is whether Play-Fi will be a stable platform going forward, and even whether it will remain a viable business. It certainly doesn't seem to be a major player currently. Quite surprised SVS would contract with them for their product interfacing.
PlayFi is still garbage, and I still couldn’t get it to work reliably with the new Prime Wireless Pro speakers.
@@thrillcat I have those speakers and play-fi is mediocre (gui not sound) but not garbage. Do wish SVS would implement tidal connect though.
Is SUB OUT a pre-out? I believe original was fixed at 90hz.
I am currently playing all music at my house from TH-cam Music to a Chromecast Audio to an AV receiver, then a speaker selector. Mostly using 4 speakers on patio(2 volume controls) then 2 in kitchen. Would this be a good replacement for the CCA and AV receiver?
Its the mug. I am sold!
Fan of the show, will this Amp Dr., Sennheiser’s HD 6XX OK? Or are these specifically just made for bookshelf speakers?
I love when things crush and kick NADs...
Has there been any significant updates to this machine since this video?
Once all the reviews start flowing in, I‘d be surprised if they dont raise the price. It checks a lot of boxes at a great price. Looking forward to getting one of these.
So theoretically this could be used for an outdoor speaker system with like the Bose 251 series, correct?
Have you tested the Sonos Amp? Curious how it compares. I know people hate Sonos, but their amp is quite good and their app is significantly better than most.
Tried it and picked the Bluesound Powernode, not looking back
The Sonos amp is spectacular
Looking into these instead of a Soundbar because I love my Music as well. How is the Audio Video Delay though the Bluetooth? Thanks so much guys.
Another great video Randy. I use the original as a power amp in my bedroom and love it's size, sound and power. Got it pared with an Echo Dot (Stream/pre) going into an Emotiva S8 sub sending >80Hz to the Soundbase which drives a pair of Emotiva B1+ bookshelf speakers. One question...Did SVS get rid of the internal lights? Mine lit up the bedroom ceiling like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I had to open it up and cover every LED with a small piece of electrical tape. Now I can fall asleep and wake up without the fear of a plane landing on my bed. I also think SVS missed by not having a variable high pass X-over when using the sub out. Due to its size, Soundbase users are likely to use it with smaller speakers.
Big fan of your channel.Always feel welcome here with your now traditionnal :GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE intro!Seems like this SVS is a good product but with a long (too long?) list of shortcomings though.1(no usb input?) 2(no aptxHD support?) 3(no MQA support?) 4(no tone controls?) 5(no bass management?).Sorry for my poor english
Excuse my novice here but why would this be better than streaming QBuzz hi res from my iPhone to my onkyo 797?
I wonder how that dac compares to one in Bluesound Node N130
Hi there , so if i want surround sound this is not , also can i connect a EQ ? THANK YOU
The mug, is it artwork from the Black Album cassette liner notes foldout?
Also, just snagged a minty nice couple year old Teac AI-301 DA off eBay for $200! I've been on the lookout for a small form factor integrated with RCA and optical inputs and the Teacs were always way over my budget so I had to jump on this one.
How the hell does this thing not have dual independent sub outs. They are a subwoofer company. Don't they wanna sell more subs. Come on
Did you not pay attention to what the guy said? It’s for folks who don’t want the entire home theater experience. Calm your nipples down. 🤦🏻♂️
@@idray986 You must not be familiar with other integrated amplifiers. The SVS has all the standard integrated amp inputs….
How does Bluetooth AptX sound on this receiver I have an older Harmon kardon avr330 receiver is this svs worth getting for a Bluetooth streaming solution or should I keep my old receiver and get a ifi zen one signature dac ? Or should I get the
aune x1s gt bt headphone amplifier
Thanks for bringing the heat Randy when it is clear you aren't feeling 100%. Crazy SVS didn't include bass management, almost unheard of from a company known for its main bread and butter- subs!!
You are right. And no tone control!
I know their micro comes with a separate bass management app that is excellent. Not sure on their other models.
“My Name Is Nobody”. Best spaghetti western ever!
hello,RANDY,WHY DOSENT SOUNDBASE PRO HAVE A HIGH PASS FILTER FROM THE SUB OUT JACK?
How does the built in dac compare with Topping, Bitfrost. etc.?
Wow. Suddenly my audiolab seemed expensive. 😅😅😅 That's great. Companies are competing to give us value.
I have the Elac UniFi UB52's, which would you recommend; Bluesound Powernode Edge or this SVS Prime Wireless Pro Soundbase? Main uses will be for home theater and listening to music through Spotify. Thanks! Love the videos!
May I ask you what amp you end with? Svs or Bluesound? And how is it with the elacs?
SVS or Bluesound POWERNODE==What does Bluesund - what is missing in SVS - i wont bay one for ELAC Carina BS243.4
Is the stage more 2D or more towards 3D? Don't expect a tube stage but flat 2-D is completely maddening.
Hi Randy. Tks for your review. Would you use it with the Magnepan LRS+ ?
Can this take both North America and European power service, looks like it can, can it?
Good stuff as usual Randy!
Question: when streaming Airplay 2 to this SVS box o' magic, can you control the volume via the native Apple Music app? or do you have to control the volume via the SVS remote or on-device knob? i know that sounds like a stupid question, but i've had a couple setups that didn't allow for Airplay volume control - so before i plop down $700, i want to be sure it solves for this issue.
bueller, bueller, anyone, bueller
I can’t say yet for sure as I just got it, but I tried with Spotify and the app volume changed when I changed it in Spotify. I’ll find out and post if I remember to do so. I think it worked by changing volume with the phone buttons.
What speaker recommendation would one suggest for this amp. along with a sub.
I have 1 question tho pls , For whom the bell tolls ?
So the power node edge has more features and is even cheaper?
Please do a video setting up a 4.1 channel system with both soundbases you own.
Yes something that makes sense .hope you have a great day my friends
Do us all a favor and just get the camera rolling 24/7….for the CAM reality show.
Does it sound better if I use Sith Audio batteries in the remote???
Hej Randy. Wymieniłem kino domowe 5.1 na zestaw svs bookshelf i sb-1000 pro . Został mi się amplituner onkyo tx nr-676. Pytanie do Ciebie i innych czy warto zamienić na soundbase pro, czy będzie lepiej ?
Haven't been able to watch yet. No video out on that HDMI? I like the album art/lyrics on the TV.
I almost have to wonder if this is the same device as the SVS Prime Wireless Pro Powered Speaker System without the speakers...
No, this soundbase has a way more powerful amp, 150 watts/ channel (2 channel = 300 watt) at 4 ohms
I'm thinking a lot is the same. That's a good thing.
Great video, as always! Does anyone know how I find out when the live streams are going to happen?
Bell notification?
Hmmm. This or a second hand Peachtree and a wiim?
Svs saund base pro vs Yamaha 801 which is better?
I got rid of the original over play-fi. I was hoping the pro version would be better, can't wait to get one now.
There is an upgrade for Play-Fi to Play-Fi HD. Have you ever tried it? I think it's only relevant to streaming from a computer.
No digital out if you want to use a better/different dac though.
I wonder how it pairs with current demanding speakers like Maagies?
Anyone know how the SQ compares to say, other smaller integrated amps such as a Rega Brio, Rotel or Arcam, etc?
Grabbing my cup of coffee!
Do you need Wi-Fi to use airplay or chromecast? Or can you connect and play cromecast or airplay without Wi-Fi?
Have to have WiFi
I don't know but I like the mug, could be Rush.
Two way Bluetooth for wireless headphones?
HELLO,RANDY,DOES PLUGGING IN A CABLE TO SUB OUT JACK ENGAGE AN ADJUSTABLE CROSSOVER TO MOVE DEEP BASS TO YOUR SUB?
According to other reviews/info I looked up, yes. I think it was maybe 80 hz high pass.
hi Randy, i noticed the USB says something like 'service' does this mean there's no USB digital input for connection to PCs/laptops and the like?
Yeah. Not a usb input unfortunate
@@cheapaudioman Thanks for the confirmation. you rock!!!
This or the new Bose Music Amplifier (stupid name, I know)? I'm curious how the sound compares
Randy,How does it compare to the yamaha s801? Sound wise
Could it have a use case like; 1. pre-out -> hifi power amp -> your best hifi speakers. 2. speaker-out -> some nice passive subwoofer(s) ? (So hifi stereo with subwoofing, but without using the official subwoofer pre-out, instead making use of the 2x300 watts class D.)
A few of these, a few powernodes or a few sonos amps for a multiroom setup?
Just buy one juke audio 6-8 channel amp. Unless you use Chromecast then go with the SVS
Unfortunately the sub out doesn't have a crossover cut off. Svs is a sub company they should have at least added that to make it a little bit more streamlined
Guess I'm old to. I'm looking for something to stream audio and video for Bluetooth earbuds or headphones. So I'm not driving my neighbor crazy. Can this do it
Does anyone know how this compares to Emotiva TA1 as far as sound and sound quality?
Best speakers for this?
Any lag between video on the Ipad (via bluetooth) and the audio? Nothing that looks worse than an old kungfu movie where the lips and sound are out of synch.
That Metallica mug reminds me of This is Spinal Tap. Does the SVS go to 11?
Have they said when this will be available?
If you already have your favorite speakers, it seems like a great entertainment center....uh, center. I bet if you don't have the speakers, SVS will point you to the powered speakers instead. I know at AXPONA they played those and they are bass monsters, though the room was not great (it was a hotel room after all).
I have the old SB, and it drove my two Ultra bookshelf and pair of SB3000 subs just fine, sounded better than my Denon X4400H AVR.
A no brainer to recommend to friends (even the old version).
Later add some Power amp if you like some more (or better) power.
Would be nice if you could switch the Line out to pre out (for to use it only as streamer)
Is DTS Playfi now improved for all
gear? Should i have a look on my Quad Vena 2 play (the dusk collector) if i can use it now!?!!
Thanks for the review.
Wonder why the specs are not clear?
How many NAD amps have you reviewed? I've heard some of their stuff and been blown away. I remember you reviewing that little stand up guy but don't recall a significant amount of NAD products being covered here.
He’s reviewed the C 338 before
NAD C 338, D 3045, Bluesound Node and Node 2i. I am not sure if he has formally reviewed the powernode or not
Thank You for validating my ambivalence about Pink Floyd! But we still gotta discuss Metallica/Megadeath. ( :
is the remote control RF or IR?
Really enjoy your reviews very informative. Would the svs pro drive a pair of Jamo Concert C93ll? I ordered a set after watching your review on them the other day. I want to use them in replace of a soundbar in a bedroom.
This amp might work well if the frequency works curve works like the previous model which dropped off a bit -.5 to -1% from line level; could help to tame the brightness of the C93II if you experienced that.
There’s a few of these two channel mini avr things now and they all have some drawbacks, seems odd to not offer even basic eq here, especially when it’s designed to be used with a tv.
The Sonos amp and Powernode (and now edge) looks compelling and the edge looks to be decent value.
On the other hand you can buy a full blown AVR for not so much more, with all the different eq and room correction features you might want plus they can do all the virtual surround/atmos stuff
I guess if some wants a small form factor for 2 channel, a standard AVR is out. I like these small amps, after years of large and heavy.
@@nc3419 yep, you could replicate it with 2 or 3 small units, probably for less but you lose the convenience then.
Seems like something Yamaha should be able to do.
@@krazyolie Having software built in would be a great option with access either on board, or via computer or smartphone. All in one is appealing but so many enticing standalone products too. So if one craps out or you find a better dac, etc, replacement is easier though perhaps more costly. Modular upgrade could be an option too especially if the pre/amp section performs very well. That way modules for dac, streamer could be upgraded over a longer period of time.
Companies can do it but don't want to take away from their sales of upgraded products, I guess. With SVS, just offer one outstanding product that could be upgraded, giving it more longevity. Unless they don't expect the amp section to last over the long term?
Interesting product Randy, BUT.. is there something with a similar or same feature set and 50-75w /ch class D amplifier that’s half the price or less ?😉edit: oh, and yes, bass and treble controls please..
I doubt you find an all in one solution cheaper but a SMSL DA-9, WiiM Mini, Geshelli J2 would be cheaper and I’m guessing sound better.
Bluesound Powernode Edge is $649 and has the features you are looking for.
Shame Play-fi & Roon won't play nicely together. Sounds like a promising amp, but not for me. Keep them coming, not everything is for everyone 🤔😀