OK so here's how I would approach this... Mukashi is definitely mechanical damage so you've done right by that at the moment, unless it appears to get worse I'd leave alone, only thing that might aid healing is ozone paste this works very well but you need to know correct way to use it. Very easy once you've been shown. Kujaku clamped up... Water parameter checks so ph (check for swings morning to evening also) , ammonia, nitrite, kh and total chlorine (might be chloromine in water supply and traditional water cartridges won't deal with that). Temp - have you had sudden change in temps? Mucous scrapes and check for parasites - take from flanks, behind gills and pectoral fin ball muscle area. Might be Costia, very small and hard to find. Trich using FMG is a waste of time imo, use PP and neutralise with HP after 4hrs, be very careful with PP dose as needs to be right or is dangerous to koi. Only PP if Trich found on scrapes. If nothing found then could be bacterial but I'd say unlikely from what I've seen? Most likely from irritation from parasites or water parameter. Other ideas - Kujaku might have an on coming swim bladder issue and other damage might just be coincidence. If nothing found then I'd precautionary dose with Chloramine T as this would help with both bacteria and parasites - the triple dose on back of packet works well. Good luck Ps - I wouldn't add salt to pond unless definitely found to be bad bacterial issue and I'd use in conjunction with Chloramine T. Hope this helps 👍
@@peterlowik7158Hi there, at what dosage should I use Chloramine T? I have bacterial issues and have salted the pond to 0.55% (on the salt meter). My PH is 8.5.
Chin up mate. Ogon just look looks to have a little bump my ogon had the same but fully healed. Possibly bit of carp pox too. I would be getting a treatment of acriflavin in. That's just me though. Pond is looking well.
This issue sounds very similar to one I had about 6 weeks ago, flashing and unusual behaviour but no sign of any parasites and standard water parameters all good. My koi managed to do a fair bit of damage to themselves flicking off everything they could in the pond. With no obvious issue I opted for virkon aquatic tablets thinking it must be bacterial and to my amazement 24 hours later all was back to normal. The wounds have since healed and you wouldn't know I had a problem. I would seriously consider verkon if you can't find any parasites and water is on point. Verkon is a better option for treating bacterial issues than CT and acraflavine IMO and didn't appear to affect my filter bacteria at all. I never thought bad bacteria caused koi to flick but it does. Every day is a school in this hobby. Best of luck and I hope you get to the bottom of it soon.
James, the showers are definitely my first port of call considering you've tested water and checked fish, especially since you brought your level up aswel! The clamped up fish may have just been temperature, the issues could be completely unrelated.. who knows! Good luck!
Need more people like you on TH-cam james as honest as they come not all days are going to be bright mate, you will figure out the problem, there's nothing the koi whisperer can't do 💯 head up mate 👍 stay positive 👊
James you can have your source water tested that you top off your pond with, It's called an icp test , it will show you what heavy metals etc are present either after its passed through your carbon filter top off or a pond sample . It will atleast let you know that this may or may not be the cause . I use them a few times a year for my reef aquarium costing around £25 to £30 a time , you basically send your sample into a lab in their supplied test vials and they will email you the results / findings . I'm not sure if there is an online service for koi pond icp test but it's worth looking into. There are companies on ebay who do these test for the aquarium side if you want to look into it. Good luck .
Get a 2b4 and jack them showers up a good 4 inches . Be better for flow too . Good luck j . May be some of that black shit out the cartidges made it back to the pond
I would try raise the salinity of the pond... = force fish to excrete a slime coating to help remove any parasites which would then be sucked up through your filtration and killed off hopefully by the UV. Also some others have noticed too that you have some rough edges on the INSIDE edge of your pond... maybe get some of those 22mm Central heating pipe FOAM sleeves and put them on the inside edge of your pond tiles ridges so that there are no rough edges as fish jumping and flicking could cause damage to them on those edges. They come in Dark colours too so should be discrete luckily.
If you think it might be bacterial I'd be putting in Acriflavin, although as I said previously one of them definitely looks like its damaged itself on the bakki.
Personally before I add a new koi to my indoor pond, I will first disinfect the new koi in a mild potassium permanganate bath for 5 minutes. Once the new koi is in my indoor pond, I will add sodium chloride to my indoor pond and bring the salt level up to 0.5% to handle the parasites or bacteria and promote sickness recovery.
I had a similar issue and couldn’t find a thing on scraped. Upped my salt to .03% and a dose of alparex pro and within days the change was incredible. Would definitely look at raising the showers though or finding some sort of rubber trim to cover the sharp edges with. All the best you will sort it eventually 👍
Is it worth a dose of acriflavin (think that's how you spell it) and a 0.3 dose of salt? The least it will do is help with the wounds and could sort a bacteria problem if that's what it is. Matt
Looks like sleeping disease had the same thing happening last year. think its the sudden temp drop couse after the winter water got warmer and they started to act normal
Hey mate I've had this happen last year and I believe that the last koi I got was infected and it spread throughout my pond. I PP treated twice and couldn't get rid of it. I had a vet out and he believed it was a bad bacteria in the system that took over costing me 13 that couldn't be save as ulcers got so bad even though I scraped and wound sealed twice a week No Parasites were found I would love to find out what happened and have a treatment solution as I definitely don't want to experience it again I hope you find the answers as there beautiful fish and costly Cheers from Oz
Hi James, I definitely reckon that the Mukashi has scrapped its head on one of the Bakki showers m8. In my experience bacterial infections are normally secondary to a primary problem such as parasites, but it looks like you’ve scrapped and found nothing. Maybe topically treat it exactly the same way every two to three days and consider doing a course of treatment of CT over a five day period, as this will lower any opportunistic bacteria entering the wound site and maybe causing an ulcer. Hope this info is of some use and that you get to the bottom of the problem. Keep ya chin up m8, if the koi are still feeding that’s always a good sign, it’s when they don’t eat anything that you know there’s a serious bacterial issue. 🤞
Hi James, sad times, with the marks on the head I'd say hit it on something possibly showers. As with clamping I'd say parasites if water is good. If you had tric before, that is I believe a secondary parasite, as in usually have another parasites aswell. Sometimes flukes I found. But if you're struggling to find anything I'd say scrape again looking for costia, try under pecs and around gills. Hope you fix it soon pal.
Hi James, I’m sure you’ve probably already thought of this, but as soon as you placed the Bakis where you have, I questioned weather the tray would be to close to the water line!!! Enough for the fish to bump as they’re nodding up n down out the water! Do you reckon that could be the cause of the marks appearing??
I would raise them showers. Only a matter of time before a fish injures itself on them. No matter how calm your fish seem it only takes a split second for one of them to flash, jump or get scared and then bang themselves on that metal lip.
James im no guru but are you sedating before scraping? Where are you scraping, across gills front to back and underneath? You aint got chilodonella have ya, they are very small and like colder waters (Just a thought)
Just did a video. Zero chlorine (on the hanna test) is actually not good. For me anyways. I find there’s a fine balance between clean and ‘dirty’ water. Your gut feeling that it is bacterial is likely spot on.
The starting issue is to look at what’s change … water parameters .. water source, filters etc .. the one you have said is new fish… so always and I mean always QT fish .. I learnt the hard way! If you found a trichodina as well that’s a sure sign, often the Parasites often come in 2s so watch out for Costia or chilo. Trich is often not killed by FMG you really want to do a pp on the pond for trichodina. Keep scraping do 3 fish every other day!
I had the same problem after adding koi the problem was in the water bacterial possibly due to a not well matured pond. get your bacteria pressure measured, maybe that's your problem
Hi James. My advice would be to contact Lincolnshire Fish Health as Paula is probably the worlds expert on Koi and fish health. I made a video with her many y7ears ago and she really does know everything about Koi and what would in your case be bacterial infections. I have over the years managed to help koi with bacterial infections by the correct antibiotics once I knew what bacteria the fish had but it is very difficult because once they have an injury it is open to the water which in turn has bacteria in it. Please remember the more you do things with the water etc the more you are likely to stress the fish which makes them more venerable. As I said last time please contact me if you would like more advice.
id still guess at damaging itself on something tbh mate. id also give the wounded fish a salt bath. i swear by them for wounds on the fish as ive healed plenty of mine this way
Hi James. My koi clamped and was flicking, he also had red dorsal and anal fins and I was advised to use Virkon Aquatic by a koi health specialist. I was told to first dose do a double dose (dependant on your pond capacity) then the correct dose every 4 days after that for 6 weeks. For me this worked and the problem went away. Good to see you back posting your videos 👍👍
Evening James, the mukashi has a physical injury, likely cause shower return,the puss you got from the chag will be infection (bacterial)get on top of it asap before it gets out of hand, ozone gel great product when used correctly, as for shower returns split 4mm clear airline and glue on with aquatic grade silicone, and as you have been tinkering with air/water flow you may well have upset the healthy balance of your pond, koi are very hardy creatures but don't like change, cheers rob
Mate i would say its bacterial the marks are just the fish bashing i would take the showers out clean them very hard hit with pp and a soak in verkon. and treat the pond with a dose the fish can handle i had a problem very much like this years back it can be a bastard to find and sort out
Yeh likewise, my new pond was the same I also had one koi with the same small red blister turned into a hole. Fortunately saved her and the others after finding it was a water bacterial infection. Got them all jabbed twice and after many months came out the other side. I know how you feel keep your chin up you’ll get there,so frustrating when you go to all that effort but it will turn around.
Hi James, it’s a nightmare when things like this happen. As people have said, yes it may have knocked itself on the shower but something has obviously irritated it to do so. As you’ve said, it’s either water, parasites or bacteria. Personally I’m not one for trickle in-out, or changing a lot of water. There’s too much crap in the water these days, it’s probably not even that good for humans anymore. It only takes your water supplier to do some maintenance, and it will swing your parameters, and mainly change the stuff we can’t test for. I think tap water is a big part a lot of peoples problems at times. Newer properties being built have modern pipe lines, older houses don’t. So many old water pipework systems that are way past requiring replacement. Like you, I like to keep my KH low at around 3, as long as your moving bed media has kh. Obviously adding new fish will have an adverse effect until things settle down, the bigger the fish, the effect it’ll have. You found tric so start there. How many scrapes to find that one tric you found. It only takes one irritating parasite to make a fish flash. My uv went down whilst on holiday this year in that 40 degree heatwave. Water went green and couldn’t see the fish that well. Once new bulb fitted and the water cleared a few of mine had signs where they’d knocked themselves. Just kept a close eye on them, they soon settled back down and all good after. Good luck, hope you sort it. I’m sure it’ll all settle down. It just does your head in when it happens, I know the feeling.
Is it possible the introduction of Nugget has increased competition for food creating a bit of a feeding frenzy. That in addition to the fact you've raised the water level, could the fish be catching themselves on the bottom shower trays?
I’m sure the Ogon will come back without a mark once it heals mate! Maybe get some salt on there buddy, I’d take it to 0.6 for a few weeks then slowly reduce it to 0.3 and leave it at that! I’m sure you know how good salt is so I don’t need to explain! Chin up kid, you’ll get there 🙏🏻
JKW looks like a reverse osmosis is on the cards 🤫 DTTMrs 😅 like Rasta Koi setup, I had an issue which I couldn’t find ,tested everything but in the end i salted the pond too 0.30 and all good again 🤔 Strange 1 tho , maybe send a water sample like a “Triton Test” for metals and everything , think it costs £45 or something ?
Hi James May I suggest taking a scrape and forwarding to Dr Paula Reynolds at Lincolnshire Fish Health Ltd . Paula is arguably the finest fish vet in the UK she also has invented many products such as Combat which lowers bacteria in ponds and has an enzyme that quickly rebuilds beneficial bacteria after usage whilst reducing harmful bacteria’s . Try calling her from some advice and send her a scrape there is a charge though it is minimal in relative terms . She will make a diagnosis then forward a prescription you can use at your local vets . Before I kept koi I kept a lot of very high end fancy goldfish in a 800 gallon pond she diagnosed a bacterial problem which I treat as above with Baytril I tried everything else and lost many fish . Dr P Reynolds intervention eventually stopped the rot . Salt to 0.3 per cent will help obviously added gradually.but if it’s bacterial your gonna need anti biotics . I’ve injected Goldfish so koi are much easier to deal which .
Get some salt in pond had a similar problem tried a couple of FMG and other ! Went back to salt in pond all good for the last month and all healthy again
Virkon virkon virkon. I had very similar problems and tried all sorts, all the water tests and scrapes revealed nothing. Within days of using virkon we noticed improvements and only wish I had tried it before losing several of my prized koi. Please don't delay trying it mate. Good luck
Hi definitely think the ogon has knocked itself on some thing I’ve had bacterial infection in the past and always added virkon aquatic to the water always works for me good luck
Hi James. Heard a lot of people getting sick and ill koi from trickle in, trickle out. The high levels of metals, copper etc. their putting in the source water, is of the scale. And the normal hobbyist can't check them. Need to send your water off to a laboratory.
Keep your chin up mate, I've beaten myself up loads of times, as I've personally got into the hobby, I've lost loads of nice fish, I think you will be fine the pond and water look excellent, hopefully it will settle down.
I have used Virkron tablets this year started with a double dose now just do a maintenance dose. My fish had the odd red spots now they have all gone. I will use always going forward
It was mentioned when the build was going on you can get away with it for a while but when you get a issue water or parasite it's going to happen just a law of averages I had to put some black sponge around my stones over the pond 👍
Hi James sorry to hear your problems whenever I treat my fish I sedate dry the wound I then dab on hydrogen peroxide I then add tamodine then I use wound seal this seems to work very well I have used virkon tablets and they work very to does seem like a bacteria issue although you can get clamping with parasites such as flukes seems strange that you're getting flashing this does seem odd that you are not finding on scrapes I hope you get it sorted buddy
Id change my filter system back to tbe same flow rates before you added your last fish even if it costs a few quid more, add a little heat if you think it will help, id rather take that course of action than risk loosing my fish, have you changed the koi diet by any chance.
You’re showers are much to low its like hanging a knife blade over the water, that’s what cut your fish. The clamped koi at the bottom of the pond was probably resting as it was late at night, it moved with fins out as soon as you disturbed it. I just looked in my pond and 4 of them are on the bottom this behaviour has been the norm in my pond for 40 years. The new fish came with the problem. You said yourself it was there when it arrived. You’ve turned the air down which will make your fish act differently. If the water is calm the fish will rest or graze or just look lazier than when they’re fighting against turbulence caused by 2 columns of air. Hope this helps but for the fishes sake lift those showers. And fit some jump guards.
My hunch would be costia just because it can be missed on scrapes easily I think water parameters your on it I know your testing alot I'd get a second pair of eyes on the scrapes someone you trust and you know won't miss anything before assuming bacterial just my opinion but to be honest I'm sure you've got enough of them thanks for posting this stuff it's the hardest part of the hobby 👍
Bit of a long shot but didn’t you have your fish out recently to measure them, could have been some bacteria in the net or tub? In the mean time I’d put your showers on bricks, if there flashing they will damage themselves.
Honestly try super tabs , had same thing with a koi , tried dosing from my dealers advice with Kusuri Formalin and Malachite Premix.. week later no change after treatment.. so dosed super tabs and around 3 days after koi was and still is back too normal .. so must of been bacterial infection.. my ponds 7000gal . Did a high dose .. hope you solve it as it does stress you out when things not right 👍🏻👍🏻
Have you tried KP (Potassium permanganate) in crystal form? if the koi flash, Also think stress is a major cause of illness. Let your water turn a little green, that will calm the koi Best regards.
Hi James, were in no way an expert and try to apply common sense when working out issues with our koi...which doesn't always work lol but we've been following you since you came back from your break and bing watched alot of your back videos and I see quite a few times they venture around your bakki shower lip. It maybe worth while just putting a protective edge on to rule it out(piece of mind to). Ps don't beat yourself up as you are a very valuable source of support/information to us and your standards in your filter house is one I'm trying to emulate.
One of the club members have bacterial infection in his pond he coughs the infection was rushed into hospital and it was flushed out of him his advice is ware gloves
I’m so sorry for the problems that you are experiencing - looks like there are some very sensible possible solutions and ideas. One thing I would check, is the cameras to see if any animals are making their way to the pond, birds, etc ? All the best, I genuinely hope this works itself out 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I really hope you solve this problem brother i know how distressed you are. I'm pulling for you and you're beautiful fish. Any of us fish keepers really hate these situations. Good luck brother!
Ok I've watched the last 2 videos matey deffo either drop your water level back down or raise the showers. I've always thought your showers were very low to the water level personally I'd raise them a couple of inches .. the head wound is almost certainly that probably while feeding .. I see no signs of bacterial infection just a bump the clamped kajaku is probably a combination of temperature drop and late at night having a snooze apart from that one short clip every time you see it swim it looks fine fins out cruising around. My advice sit kn your hands and observe what's happening keep the head would clean it will take weeks to heal longer as the temps drop . You'll find at night they do lie at the bottom and appear clamped in reality they are making their surface area smaller to retain heat 👍 when they spread their fins they act as heat syncs
Put it in your large blue bowl with the large koi it could be Gill fute do a large water change and add salt it simes like the fish needs a good dose of stress coat and leave him in the large tank
Hi James sorry about your problems. Just an idea why don't you try keeping an higher kh I had this same problem my kh is like yours it's 3 out the tap this is to low its on a knife edge. I buffer now to about 5 to 6 and it has worked well for me 👍
Hi James, feel your pain lost 3 in the last month from a bacteria infection gutted, being a newbie as well its hard to find the right solution, are you still running a trickle in, seen a few times on Koi Wholesale question time Ricky has said it may cause issues when not knowing what metals you have in the source water and how these can build up in the system.. best of luck,I am sure you will get it back on track just another bump in the road for a Koi hobbyist.
Did u already tried one with EsHa 2000? Normal for aquarium fish but it does work verry well. And try some extra oxigen from a pump or with some water falling from 30cm or soo.
OK so here's how I would approach this... Mukashi is definitely mechanical damage so you've done right by that at the moment, unless it appears to get worse I'd leave alone, only thing that might aid healing is ozone paste this works very well but you need to know correct way to use it. Very easy once you've been shown.
Kujaku clamped up...
Water parameter checks so ph (check for swings morning to evening also) , ammonia, nitrite, kh and total chlorine (might be chloromine in water supply and traditional water cartridges won't deal with that). Temp - have you had sudden change in temps?
Mucous scrapes and check for parasites - take from flanks, behind gills and pectoral fin ball muscle area. Might be Costia, very small and hard to find. Trich using FMG is a waste of time imo, use PP and neutralise with HP after 4hrs, be very careful with PP dose as needs to be right or is dangerous to koi. Only PP if Trich found on scrapes.
If nothing found then could be bacterial but I'd say unlikely from what I've seen? Most likely from irritation from parasites or water parameter.
Other ideas - Kujaku might have an on coming swim bladder issue and other damage might just be coincidence.
If nothing found then I'd precautionary dose with Chloramine T as this would help with both bacteria and parasites - the triple dose on back of packet works well.
Good luck
Ps - I wouldn't add salt to pond unless definitely found to be bad bacterial issue and I'd use in conjunction with Chloramine T.
Hope this helps 👍
Top read that mate I have done all this but I have found a massive problem today the next video will explain thanks mate appreciate comments like this
Shit happens New pond new problems
@@peterlowik7158Hi there, at what dosage should I use Chloramine T? I have bacterial issues and have salted the pond to 0.55% (on the salt meter). My PH is 8.5.
I wounder if it the black paint brother. Coming out in the rain to in the water
I do hope you get the problem resolved quickly.
Chin up mate. Ogon just look looks to have a little bump my ogon had the same but fully healed. Possibly bit of carp pox too. I would be getting a treatment of acriflavin in. That's just me though. Pond is looking well.
This issue sounds very similar to one I had about 6 weeks ago, flashing and unusual behaviour but no sign of any parasites and standard water parameters all good. My koi managed to do a fair bit of damage to themselves flicking off everything they could in the pond. With no obvious issue I opted for virkon aquatic tablets thinking it must be bacterial and to my amazement 24 hours later all was back to normal. The wounds have since healed and you wouldn't know I had a problem. I would seriously consider verkon if you can't find any parasites and water is on point. Verkon is a better option for treating bacterial issues than CT and acraflavine IMO and didn't appear to affect my filter bacteria at all. I never thought bad bacteria caused koi to flick but it does. Every day is a school in this hobby. Best of luck and I hope you get to the bottom of it soon.
I have used virkon and I agree with you Stephen I think they are more effective then chloramine T for bacterial issues
Could you add salt to your pond if you haven't found any parasites
Anchor worms? Also agree about shower almost touching surface. Hope you get it sorted.
James I would stop trickle in out system for abit and see what happens or like you said maybe different water
Hope you get it sorted mate your honesty is second to none
You tried virkon aquatic may help with the healing if there's anything in the water I would drop the water level below the showed too.
James, the showers are definitely my first port of call considering you've tested water and checked fish, especially since you brought your level up aswel! The clamped up fish may have just been temperature, the issues could be completely unrelated.. who knows! Good luck!
Need more people like you on TH-cam james as honest as they come not all days are going to be bright mate, you will figure out the problem, there's nothing the koi whisperer can't do 💯
head up mate 👍 stay positive 👊
James you can have your source water tested that you top off your pond with, It's called an icp test , it will show you what heavy metals etc are present either after its passed through your carbon filter top off or a pond sample .
It will atleast let you know that this may or may not be the cause .
I use them a few times a year for my reef aquarium costing around £25 to £30 a time , you basically send your sample into a lab in their supplied test vials and they will email you the results / findings .
I'm not sure if there is an online service for koi pond icp test but it's worth looking into.
There are companies on ebay who do these test for the aquarium side if you want to look into it.
Good luck .
Thanks on the heads
Have you tested for copper getting into your system
Get a 2b4 and jack them showers up a good 4 inches . Be better for flow too . Good luck j . May be some of that black shit out the cartidges made it back to the pond
I would try raise the salinity of the pond... = force fish to excrete a slime coating to help remove any parasites which would then be sucked up through your filtration and killed off hopefully by the UV.
Also some others have noticed too that you have some rough edges on the INSIDE edge of your pond... maybe get some of those 22mm Central heating pipe FOAM sleeves and put them on the inside edge of your pond tiles ridges so that there are no rough edges as fish jumping and flicking could cause damage to them on those edges. They come in Dark colours too so should be discrete luckily.
What is the "plaster" you are using to seal/protect the wound?
Propellers wound seal I think it’s called
So do you have access to get antibacterial injection, I just shot a few koi this weekend. Dose your pond with PP
Blimey mate what a nightmare, lots of good ideas and help in the comments, I'm a big fan of virkon. Good luck mate 👍🏻
If you think it might be bacterial I'd be putting in Acriflavin, although as I said previously one of them definitely looks like its damaged itself on the bakki.
Heart goes out to you, sure you will sort the problem out
Personally before I add a new koi to my indoor pond, I will first disinfect the new koi in a mild potassium permanganate bath for 5 minutes. Once the new koi is in my indoor pond, I will add sodium chloride to my indoor pond and bring the salt level up to 0.5% to handle the parasites or bacteria and promote sickness recovery.
I wish you the best mate! Keep going. Weve all been there! Just dont give up.
I had a similar issue and couldn’t find a thing on scraped. Upped my salt to .03% and a dose of alparex pro and within days the change was incredible. Would definitely look at raising the showers though or finding some sort of rubber trim to cover the sharp edges with. All the best you will sort it eventually 👍
Is it worth a dose of acriflavin (think that's how you spell it) and a 0.3 dose of salt? The least it will do is help with the wounds and could sort a bacteria problem if that's what it is.
Matt
Looks like sleeping disease had the same thing happening last year. think its the sudden temp drop couse after the winter water got warmer and they started to act normal
Hey mate
I've had this happen last year and I believe that the last koi I got was infected and it spread throughout my pond. I PP treated twice and couldn't get rid of it.
I had a vet out and he believed it was a bad bacteria in the system that took over costing me 13 that couldn't be save as ulcers got so bad even though I scraped and wound sealed twice a week
No Parasites were found
I would love to find out what happened and have a treatment solution as I definitely don't want to experience it again
I hope you find the answers as there beautiful fish and costly
Cheers from Oz
Virkon aquatic tablets are worth looking at.
Hi James, I definitely reckon that the Mukashi has scrapped its head on one of the Bakki showers m8. In my experience bacterial infections are normally secondary to a primary problem such as parasites, but it looks like you’ve scrapped and found nothing. Maybe topically treat it exactly the same way every two to three days and consider doing a course of treatment of CT over a five day period, as this will lower any opportunistic bacteria entering the wound site and maybe causing an ulcer.
Hope this info is of some use and that you get to the bottom of the problem.
Keep ya chin up m8, if the koi are still feeding that’s always a good sign, it’s when they don’t eat anything that you know there’s a serious bacterial issue. 🤞
Thanks mate appreciate it
Hi James, sad times, with the marks on the head I'd say hit it on something possibly showers. As with clamping I'd say parasites if water is good. If you had tric before, that is I believe a secondary parasite, as in usually have another parasites aswell. Sometimes flukes I found. But if you're struggling to find anything I'd say scrape again looking for costia, try under pecs and around gills. Hope you fix it soon pal.
Hi James, I’m sure you’ve probably already thought of this, but as soon as you placed the Bakis where you have, I questioned weather the tray would be to close to the water line!!! Enough for the fish to bump as they’re nodding up n down out the water!
Do you reckon that could be the cause of the marks appearing??
I would raise them showers. Only a matter of time before a fish injures itself on them. No matter how calm your fish seem it only takes a split second for one of them to flash, jump or get scared and then bang themselves on that metal lip.
James im no guru but are you sedating before scraping?
Where are you scraping, across gills front to back and underneath?
You aint got chilodonella have ya, they are very small and like colder waters (Just a thought)
Thank you for posting this
Just did a video. Zero chlorine (on the hanna test) is actually not good. For me anyways. I find there’s a fine balance between clean and ‘dirty’ water. Your gut feeling that it is bacterial is likely spot on.
The starting issue is to look at what’s change … water parameters .. water source, filters etc .. the one you have said is new fish… so always and I mean always QT fish .. I learnt the hard way! If you found a trichodina as well that’s a sure sign, often the
Parasites often come in 2s so watch out for Costia or chilo. Trich is often not killed by FMG you really want to do a pp on the pond for trichodina. Keep scraping do 3 fish every other day!
I think that if it was me James I would be creating the best environment for those knocks and bumps to heal.
Heat + Virkon
Howya pal just an idea any chance slugs are getting in near your food
No mate but thanks on thinking the little things mate
I had the same problem after adding koi the problem was in the water bacterial possibly due to a not well matured pond. get your bacteria pressure measured, maybe that's your problem
Hi James. My advice would be to contact Lincolnshire Fish Health as Paula is probably the worlds expert on Koi and fish health. I made a video with her many y7ears ago and she really does know everything about Koi and what would in your case be bacterial infections. I have over the years managed to help koi with bacterial infections by the correct antibiotics once I knew what bacteria the fish had but it is very difficult because once they have an injury it is open to the water which in turn has bacteria in it. Please remember the more you do things with the water etc the more you are likely to stress the fish which makes them more venerable. As I said last time please contact me if you would like more advice.
Your Koi is bumping against an edge on your pond?
id still guess at damaging itself on something tbh mate. id also give the wounded fish a salt bath. i swear by them for wounds on the fish as ive healed plenty of mine this way
haven't seen you look in the gills, you can get gill flukes
Hi James. My koi clamped and was flicking, he also had red dorsal and anal fins and I was advised to use Virkon Aquatic by a koi health specialist.
I was told to first dose do a double dose (dependant on your pond capacity) then the correct dose every 4 days after that for 6 weeks.
For me this worked and the problem went away.
Good to see you back posting your videos 👍👍
Evening James, the mukashi has a physical injury, likely cause shower return,the puss you got from the chag will be infection (bacterial)get on top of it asap before it gets out of hand, ozone gel great product when used correctly, as for shower returns split 4mm clear airline and glue on with aquatic grade silicone, and as you have been tinkering with air/water flow you may well have upset the healthy balance of your pond, koi are very hardy creatures but don't like change, cheers rob
Mate i would say its bacterial the marks are just the fish bashing i would take the showers out clean them very hard hit with pp and a soak in verkon. and treat the pond with a dose the fish can handle i had a problem very much like this years back it can be a bastard to find and sort out
Dont underestemate the stress of a new koi added it can show weeks after you put it in also bacteria problems can get you big trouble
Yeh likewise, my new pond was the same I also had one koi with the same small red blister turned into a hole. Fortunately saved her and the others after finding it was a water bacterial infection. Got them all jabbed twice and after many months came out the other side. I know how you feel keep your chin up you’ll get there,so frustrating when you go to all that effort but it will turn around.
Hi James, it’s a nightmare when things like this happen. As people have said, yes it may have knocked itself on the shower but something has obviously irritated it to do so.
As you’ve said, it’s either water, parasites or bacteria. Personally I’m not one for trickle in-out, or changing a lot of water. There’s too much crap in the water these days, it’s probably not even that good for humans anymore. It only takes your water supplier to do some maintenance, and it will swing your parameters, and mainly change the stuff we can’t test for. I think tap water is a big part a lot of peoples problems at times. Newer properties being built have modern pipe lines, older houses don’t. So many old water pipework systems that are way past requiring replacement. Like you, I like to keep my KH low at around 3, as long as your moving bed media has kh. Obviously adding new fish will have an adverse effect until things settle down, the bigger the fish, the effect it’ll have. You found tric so start there. How many scrapes to find that one tric you found. It only takes one irritating parasite to make a fish flash. My uv went down whilst on holiday this year in that 40 degree heatwave. Water went green and couldn’t see the fish that well. Once new bulb fitted and the water cleared a few of mine had signs where they’d knocked themselves. Just kept a close eye on them, they soon settled back down and all good after. Good luck, hope you sort it. I’m sure it’ll all settle down. It just does your head in when it happens, I know the feeling.
Is it possible the introduction of Nugget has increased competition for food creating a bit of a feeding frenzy. That in addition to the fact you've raised the water level, could the fish be catching themselves on the bottom shower trays?
Yea this is not helping tbh nail on head there as well
I’m sure the Ogon will come back without a mark once it heals mate! Maybe get some salt on there buddy, I’d take it to 0.6 for a few weeks then slowly reduce it to 0.3 and leave it at that! I’m sure you know how good salt is so I don’t need to explain! Chin up kid, you’ll get there 🙏🏻
JKW looks like a reverse osmosis is on the cards 🤫 DTTMrs 😅 like Rasta Koi setup, I had an issue which I couldn’t find ,tested everything but in the end i salted the pond too 0.30 and all good again 🤔 Strange 1 tho , maybe send a water sample like a “Triton Test” for metals and everything , think it costs £45 or something ?
Just lost one of mine after bumping its nose but wouldn’t heal. Good luck mate
Hi James
May I suggest taking a scrape and forwarding to Dr Paula Reynolds at Lincolnshire Fish Health Ltd .
Paula is arguably the finest fish vet in the UK she also has invented many products such as Combat which lowers bacteria in ponds and has an enzyme that quickly rebuilds beneficial bacteria after usage whilst reducing harmful bacteria’s .
Try calling her from some advice and send her a scrape there is a charge though it is minimal in relative terms . She will make a diagnosis then forward a prescription you can use at your local vets .
Before I kept koi I kept a lot of very high end fancy goldfish in a 800 gallon pond she diagnosed a bacterial problem which I treat as above with Baytril I tried everything else and lost many fish . Dr P Reynolds intervention eventually stopped the rot . Salt to 0.3 per cent will help obviously added gradually.but if it’s bacterial your gonna need anti biotics . I’ve injected Goldfish so koi are much easier to deal which .
it is probably something the water board has added ,as the water has got cooler .
Get some salt in pond had a similar problem tried a couple of FMG and other ! Went back to salt in pond all good for the last month and all healthy again
Virkon virkon virkon. I had very similar problems and tried all sorts, all the water tests and scrapes revealed nothing. Within days of using virkon we noticed improvements and only wish I had tried it before losing several of my prized koi. Please don't delay trying it mate. Good luck
Hi definitely think the ogon has knocked itself on some thing I’ve had bacterial infection in the past and always added virkon aquatic to the water always works for me good luck
If you put Dechlor( sodium thiosulphate) it will remove heavy metals, copper etc. plenty in will not hurt the koi, but will remove metals
Gutted for you James,hope it gets sorted pal.
Hi James. Heard a lot of people getting sick and ill koi from trickle in, trickle out. The high levels of metals, copper etc. their putting in the source water, is of the scale. And the normal hobbyist can't check them. Need to send your water off to a laboratory.
Fingers crossed you find the issue James, best of luck buddy
Hi James hope you get this sorted chin up
Keep your chin up mate, I've beaten myself up loads of times, as I've personally got into the hobby, I've lost loads of nice fish, I think you will be fine the pond and water look excellent, hopefully it will settle down.
Fingers crossed for you and the fishies fella.
Nice work on the mukashi mate hopefully that sorts her wound 🙏👌👍
Yea mate I have deffo found something mate will send you a video latter mate
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I have used Virkron tablets this year started with a double dose now just do a maintenance dose. My fish had the odd red spots now they have all gone. I will use always going forward
I used tohave all sorts of issues, but now clay every month and no issues ever since
Good luck with everything
I used to use it every week I might have to go back to using it
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Are you shorts it's not caught its self on the shower mate because they look a bit close to the top of the water
I was about to say this aswel
Yeah me too think the showers are too low in the water fish rubbing on them
It was mentioned when the build was going on you can get away with it for a while but when you get a issue water or parasite it's going to happen just a law of averages I had to put some black sponge around my stones over the pond 👍
Hi James sorry to hear your problems whenever I treat my fish I sedate dry the wound I then dab on hydrogen peroxide I then add tamodine then I use wound seal this seems to work very well I have used virkon tablets and they work very to does seem like a bacteria issue although you can get clamping with parasites such as flukes seems strange that you're getting flashing this does seem odd that you are not finding on scrapes I hope you get it sorted buddy
You will sort it mate You always do 💪🙏🤞hope you are all well thanks Mark 🍻🍻🐇🐇🐇
Id change my filter system back to tbe same flow rates before you added your last fish even if it costs a few quid more, add a little heat if you think it will help, id rather take that course of action than risk loosing my fish, have you changed the koi diet by any chance.
So sorry to see this James hope you get to the bottom of it seems like you have found the possible problem be interested to see what
Gill flute put salt in the filter and do water change a 3rd the first 10 day's and then top it up slowly
Also clean the wound first with a 3% H2O2
And put a wet tissue on the head
I also think the problem is the FMC. It burns my fins on the fish. Try next time alparex
You’re showers are much to low its like hanging a knife blade over the water, that’s what cut your fish. The clamped koi at the bottom of the pond was probably resting as it was late at night, it moved with fins out as soon as you disturbed it. I just looked in my pond and 4 of them are on the bottom this behaviour has been the norm in my pond for 40 years. The new fish came with the problem. You said yourself it was there when it arrived. You’ve turned the air down which will make your fish act differently. If the water is calm the fish will rest or graze or just look lazier than when they’re fighting against turbulence caused by 2 columns of air. Hope this helps but for the fishes sake lift those showers. And fit some jump guards.
My hunch would be costia just because it can be missed on scrapes easily I think water parameters your on it I know your testing alot I'd get a second pair of eyes on the scrapes someone you trust and you know won't miss anything before assuming bacterial just my opinion but to be honest I'm sure you've got enough of them thanks for posting this stuff it's the hardest part of the hobby 👍
Appreciate this comment mate
Bit of a long shot but didn’t you have your fish out recently to measure them, could have been some bacteria in the net or tub? In the mean time I’d put your showers on bricks, if there flashing they will damage themselves.
I would definitely raise those stainless steel showers .
Honestly try super tabs , had same thing with a koi , tried dosing from my dealers advice with Kusuri Formalin and Malachite Premix.. week later no change after treatment.. so dosed super tabs and around 3 days after koi was and still is back too normal .. so must of been bacterial infection.. my ponds 7000gal . Did a high dose .. hope you solve it as it does stress you out when things not right 👍🏻👍🏻
Have you tried KP (Potassium permanganate) in crystal form? if the koi flash,
Also think stress is a major cause of illness. Let your water turn a little green, that will calm the koi
Best regards.
Hi James, were in no way an expert and try to apply common sense when working out issues with our koi...which doesn't always work lol but we've been following you since you came back from your break and bing watched alot of your back videos and I see quite a few times they venture around your bakki shower lip. It maybe worth while just putting a protective edge on to rule it out(piece of mind to). Ps don't beat yourself up as you are a very valuable source of support/information to us and your standards in your filter house is one I'm trying to emulate.
One of the club members have bacterial infection in his pond he coughs the infection was rushed into hospital and it was flushed out of him his advice is ware gloves
I've had no issues since using Virkon 🙂 it's the business at aiding sores to heal tidy and fast.
I’m so sorry for the problems that you are experiencing - looks like there are some very sensible possible solutions and ideas. One thing I would check, is the cameras to see if any animals are making their way to the pond, birds, etc ? All the best, I genuinely hope this works itself out 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I really hope you solve this problem brother i know how distressed you are. I'm pulling for you and you're beautiful fish. Any of us fish keepers really hate these situations. Good luck brother!
Ok I've watched the last 2 videos matey deffo either drop your water level back down or raise the showers. I've always thought your showers were very low to the water level personally I'd raise them a couple of inches .. the head wound is almost certainly that probably while feeding .. I see no signs of bacterial infection just a bump the clamped kajaku is probably a combination of temperature drop and late at night having a snooze apart from that one short clip every time you see it swim it looks fine fins out cruising around. My advice sit kn your hands and observe what's happening keep the head would clean it will take weeks to heal longer as the temps drop . You'll find at night they do lie at the bottom and appear clamped in reality they are making their surface area smaller to retain heat 👍 when they spread their fins they act as heat syncs
Awww not good mate.. If anyone can sort it MR JAMES THE KOI WHISPER will 👍 good luck mate.
Hope you get sorted mate. 👍🏻
Turn the trickle water off
🤞for you I have been through my self this year 🤞🤞
Put it in your large blue bowl with the large koi it could be Gill fute do a large water change and add salt it simes like the fish needs a good dose of stress coat and leave him in the large tank
I had a fish called Arne he got out underneath the bridge and served put stress coat and he pulled throw so don't give up
James you turned the air down I your bio chamber ,could have caused a dead spot ,no harm in turning it back up just too see
gutted for you janes Hope you manage to get it sorted and get to the root cause
poor Koi, hope she soldiers through.
Hi James sorry about your problems. Just an idea why don't you try keeping an higher kh I had this same problem my kh is like yours it's 3 out the tap this is to low its on a knife edge. I buffer now to about 5 to 6 and it has worked well for me 👍
Hi James, feel your pain lost 3 in the last month from a bacteria infection gutted, being a newbie as well its hard to find the right solution, are you still running a trickle in, seen a few times on Koi Wholesale question time Ricky has said it may cause issues when not knowing what metals you have in the source water and how these can build up in the system.. best of luck,I am sure you will get it back on track just another bump in the road for a Koi hobbyist.
Get a icp test done it will tell you everything that’s going on in the water
Did u already tried one with EsHa 2000? Normal for aquarium fish but it does work verry well.
And try some extra oxigen from a pump or with some water falling from 30cm or soo.