The Mythology of Marriage and the Dangerous Wife
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- Many myths mention marriage in a marvelous light, but here I find and unpack some very old myths, hinting at some very old customs, some of which, if acted out would be horrific. This is the story of how a man would meet his wife, a story that in some places continues even today.
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Please be respectful, I will be deleting sexist comments.
Understood.
Hey Creganford, I have a topic that you would probably love to dig into. There's a youtuber whose channel is called "Understanding Conspiracy" who has made a series of videos about his theory that the Western concept of "Clowns" was based on depictions of east-asian demons, such as Indian Rakshasah or Japanese Oni. And the similarities are staggering, once you start to look. There's also a lot of weird parrallels between Circuses and medieval magical rituals ( A ceremonial master stands in a magic circle, waving a wand and speaks the words, and summons spirits/demons. A circus Master stands in a CIRCLE, makes an announcement, and who enters the scene? The clowns)
It's fascinating stuff. Unfortunately, the guy is fundamentalist Christian, and has fully convinced himself that these are actual demons, that want to enter our world. You know, because these people always take the most deranged, paranoid angle on everything. But still, I think the topic deserves a second look by someone more scientifically minded. Look for "The Nephilim Clown Connection" (Yeah I know...🙄)
Nice work, Jon. Keep them coming.
Love you for that ❤️
And that's the hallmark of a quality channel right there.
so, you will be silencing men's voices. Very typical practice of awful people
My first wife was an absolute self serving horror, my second an absolutely magical and wondrous creature. Go figure...
The Grail quest
@@MikeOcksmol Not really. She was the one that found me and initiated the relationship by asking me out for a cup of coffee.
Would you be so kind and explain what does "self serving horror" mean? I'd really appreciate it!
@thomasjamison2050 It's almost as if women, as men are individual humans with a myriad of life experiences-good and bad- that they bring to each human relationship. "Creature". Nice.
@@Neenerella333 Not sure how to take 'nice'. The idea that humans are not animals is perhaps the most basic form or racism.
That was a deep plunge into my deepest memories as a young girl, growing up in South-East Alentejo. - I always suspected that the old women telling me horrible tales of anthropophagy were very close to the regional Neanderthal ancestry! :)))))))))))))))
I grew up listening to such myths. It was brutal, Jon! (I am not repeating it to my grandchildren.)
Thank you. I wish you a lovely weekend.
Greetings, from sunny Lisbon.
Wow, it's good to hear the myths are still alive, even though they are so awful.
@@Crecganford :)))))))))))))) Very old myths!
I love your research and the way you present it.
Cheers.
The paint job may have changed but humans are the same as they have always been.
I find it humorous that we deal with the same drama as our ancient ancestors.
Another Creganford video,
Another banana milkshake,
Another relaxing Saturday night!
Thanks Jon.
From Hercules killing the Hydra watersnake and Medusa's snake hair, the Germanic snake that finally devours itself to the action-triggering snake in the Garden of Eden and Caravaggio*s snake-crushing Madonna del Palafreneiri painting - female sexuality in mythology has always had an ambivalent, if not slippery, energy - to say the least. Please remember that these myths as we know them today were written down by men. But the Minoans honored the snake as a symbol of fertility and healing; to the Hopi, the Great Goddess was symbolized by a snake.
Myths may be tens of thousands of years old, but their bases in reality stay grounded for eternity.
I can understand your reticence to speak freely about the matter. It's an awful phenomenon of modern society that intellectual discussions about distasteful aspects of human behaviour can be seen as condoning such behaviour. I hope at some point that you are able to put together something that has sufficient warnings for the more emotive listener to understand that acknowledgement and understanding isn't the same as condoning and encouraging.
Yes! Excellent comment
"A wild logorrhea of phobosoliloquy."
I couldn't have said it better myself. Very nice. Very nice, indeed.
I love the way you are sharing your knowledge, and particularly this focus on examining the myth of the feminine. Thank you
Love your channel, look forward to being able to join. You always have well informed information.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jon. I now have the correct term for my situation. Virilogical domiciliation. I'm Aussie. My wife is Filipina from Mindanao. I moved there to live with her.
22:01 I wonder since humans lived with the animals and more importantly insects to this conversation, that they may have associated the behaviours of female animals that killed their mates and then became convinced this would occur with their own female species. [Spiders, praying mantis, etc]
But to the point on taking a wife from neighbouring villages, with the motif of a second mouth, there may have been the Myth discussion of a woman who was taken away by force and she killed that man after he forced himself upon her. Given the paleolithic period it would not surprise me that women were raised to be aggressive and survivalist the same as men.
The second point is interesting. It's hard to grasp the specifics, though. Maybe a closer look at more recent "spouse-stealing" cultures like the Mongols or some South American tribes can shed some light into that.
@@juliahenriques210 my first thought when listening to Jon speak was my recalling of the passage in the Christian Bible on "the rape of Sabines" the taking of another people's women. A motif that has clearly happened since time immemorial. This is how geneticist trace to the one lineage, following the moving of the women.
The subject focused on 12,000 years ago when tribes of people were sparse along the Steppes, I imagine stories were told around the Baltics of raiders who would negotiate captures. It all is fascinating and certainly not taken by me as something primitive.
What I would like Jon to discuss is if in the catalogues, if there are distinctions we can see that separate between the paleolithic to when the first settled civilizations were built. Such as with Ur or Sapta Sindhu.
I never realized that South Park's vagina dentata is actual mythology
There was a movie called "teeth" look it up. B grade horror flick, kinda funny.
South Park is brand new
Mythology is often a subconscious voice for what we can not speak about
Martha Roth of the Univeristy of Chicago wrote on Babylonian marriage practices.
I dont know how I never connected myths to clues into our prehistory behaviors and rituals! I feel so dumb but also super excited with this information! I love your academic break downs of how myths and rituals. You deserve all of the likes! ❤
Also, how can I learn the more academic side of mythology? What I mean is, I want to learn more about the methods you use to find origins of myths and the connecting cultures that exchanged them.. would that be a type of class or something outside of college I could find? I want to obtain a interdisciplinary MA and Phd that uses myths, anthropology with evolution, biology, and other social sciences.... its a lot but they are all intertwined and important! Any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated 😅
Thank you.
There is no one course, a social science, anthropology or religious history. But to do what I show you need funding, research grants, and that is a whole different challenge at MA or PhD level.
Glad I still oppose dating apps and the need for being a wife.
Happy to be someone's familiar and sauntering off on my own when the time suits me. 😊
Familiars are normally magically bonded to the person so you might not be able to saunter off if you become one. Better to just be a companion.
i would honestly pay thousands to learn the methodology required to do such studies
Anthropology and Comparative Mythology are certainly within your grasp.
Also, I think a lot of his work comes from comparing Proto Indo-European root words, so you could study Indo-European linguistics for that.
@DianaStevens42 already studying them since 2018 🫡
Happy Saturday! Thanks again!
Please Basque mithology
Euskadi!
As a divorced man, the lawyer fees were the best money I ever spent.
Dang friend, you were sweating that production.
This is just wonderful as Jon explains themes which have made me wonder.Particularly from an Australian viewpoint .All Australians are taught Dreamtime stories, from preschool, at least. I also endlessly wonder how women became socially inferior ,it can't be just brute strength and childbirth.I reckon that dentate genital is more of a warning to the young men,
So, all of the old cartoons that depict the cave man clubbing the cave woman and dragging her off by her hair are wrong? 🤣
@@PyrateGFXProductions well, at least incomplete....
wtf
Thank you Professor for another great video. I’m so interested to methodologies and your profession that I’d ask… if someone would like to follow your path, what is the academic path? Like, enrolling in which university?Anthropology? I’m Italian and I don’t know anybody in my circle studying these topics
Anthropology or religious history, or a social science. It really depends on your interests. Certainly all universities will have channels to help you decide the best course for you.
Very interesting and informative! 😮 lovely video.
Do you have a story telling channel in which you tell individual myths? I’m unfamiliar with some that you’ve mentioned, and I’d love to hear more!
He does but it didn't gain any traction so he doesn't post any more ...I think
I have Crecganford Reads which I will add to next year, but there are a few things on there right now.
Clearly and carefully covered.
I always assumed the toothy myth was related to oral sex performed as a form of birth control.
The idea of a toothed vagina that is disabled by breaking its teeth with a stone makes me think of 2 things.
1: This may be a metaphor for justifying using force to subdue a woman, either in sexual terms or for some slight against masculine pride, basically "taming" her.
2: This may be down to female genital mutilation, particularly of type 3, which involves basically sewing up a young girl until her husband opens her up on their wedding night.
Dentate vaginas have been seen as well according to my ontoligist friend.
@@Crecganford dermoid cyst. Not very common. It also can have hair, eyes, teeth and bone. My nice had it removed in her uterus. But it can grow inside of the vagina also. Great video!
@@Crecganford That must be quite a sight.
or it could be about having to charm a hostile woman into being friendly
Or 3. It could be like today's adult novelty items for sexual assistance. Women who leave everything and everyone behind to marry should have very high expectations for trading their lives for survival. With nothing left to lose a woman has all the patience to wait for retribution. She cuts the member off because it offends her or harms her. The man never admits to being bested by a female especially to other men.
Wow! Its time for a cup of coffee and to enjoy the life without any danger whatsoever :)))
Don’t let your husbands see you in the bathtub!
I'm betting a lot of these prehistoric wives were not happy about being taken from their home, especially by certain men, and wanting to go home or take her chances on a better mate, hubby may have mysteriously fallen ill and croaked, but, even though they lacked the forensics, it was still suspected the wife had some mysterious connection to the death. If she was really unhappy, he may have been found dead missing a certain offending appendage.
You should watch the Italian film Medea!!!
At a tender age in my female life, I heard about the horrendous concept of "dowry" and the terrifying word "wedlock." That was enough to make me reach this point of my life "invicta!" 😉
Marriage is actually historically quite young. Originally tribal cultures lived in GENDER GROUPS - sisterhoods, brotherhoods and selforganized children groups - not in couples. The coupling of one man and one woman is an invention of slave keepers to breed slaves. Study e.g. the GENEA of the ancient Greeks: A tribal elite of Dorian and Ionian invaders from the black sea conquered Greece and submissed it's native population majority by destroying their tribal communities and their gender groups, forced them into matrimony and isolated the couples from each other on isolated farms. The "krypteia" (skullhunt) of the koryos (bands of young warriors) should prevent the contact and retribalisation of the isolated slaves. The great Alexander later made matrimony obligatory for everybody in his slave empire, forcing the last sovereign Spartan brotherhoods and sisterhoods into mass marriage. Since then the purpose of marriage is to breed and educate children into systematic slavery from birth on. I call this the greatest SINFALL of humanity into a homemade self-enslavement trap!!
Good show
Cuz they know she's risking her life and well-being every single time. They fear her being able to hold them accountable if they endanger her.
As I was watching this video, I was wondering about the tradition of modern marriage. In context of women as a bride around the world, in a historic mythological sense...?
> the tradition of modern marriage
How do you have a “tradition” of something modern? Explain, please.
@@Egilhelmson There must be an inception of our marriage rituals seen from a woman's perspective in different cultures and myths. And why it became the tradition of the modern Marriage for brides today. I liked you video very much, it was not a critique, but food for thought, for another video. I don't want to start a discussion, i´m a novice in Mythology...?
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Interesting.
Hello, John.
You think men get to choose their wife? We must live on different planets.
So you really mean "phylogenetics"? At first glance, it seems a better description is a combination of _phylogeny_ and _cladistics_ .
Yes, I do.
I'd suspect at least some of the dangerous women tales came from older people trying to tame the ill behavior of their aggressive men.
Makes you wonder why they bother. They obviously don't even like us. Some "family". 🙄
25:37 - makes an excuse to avoid speaking of the possibly embarrassing meanings of these myths
18:52 - lists the ancient myths, but says nothing about them
I assume you post these comments before watching the whole video.
@@Crecganford oh, I watched the whole thing. You avoided saying anything substantial.
Also, I have responded to you on my own cha nnel. Academics have to be called out for their fear of speaking the truth
Maybe it was a metaphor for genital lice. Be careful to not get bit.
@@justalaborer713 or HPV
Women! Am I right?
Hey dude love your videos. They're definitely some of the most high-quality and informative videos on mythology and beliefs on youtube. I'd just suggest to stop using AI thumbnails. They are super convenient, but at the same time easy to notice and give off the impression of ''cheapness'' and a lack of dedication. That's bad to have on the first impression of some otherwise masterclass videos with real effort put into them!
the reason we listen to you @crecganford is how we got here and why
How would you like to do some field study as part of the first real Time Team mission, John? You'll have to promise you won't wig out when you see living legends in the flesh, up close and personal. We haven't added any John apostles/companions to the team yet, and a White will make a great defender of racial equality these days. Oh, and fair warning - Tiamat, Lilith, Kali, Mali-Yah, Asherah, Al-Lat, and Circe are very real, with mind-bending charms that are hard to resist. It won't be a pure scholarly expedition. We use the same equipment as the Star Trek Secret Space Force, and you will have to survive boot camp and learn to wield a variety of weapons, at least in self-defense.
Take your meds
@DianaStevens42 how clever of you, you NPC character woke cult moron. Enjoy your trip to the beast abyss!
never met my wife apparently
Out of Africa theory 😂🙄
It's no myth today. Any married man will tell you this.
But.. Is it a myth ? or reality ? 😋
@@goofygrandlouis6296 every myth is rootet in reality...some more than others..
@@25myma haha 😁
Or straight culture?
They're a complete mess.
@@STRcircaFKR"mahh wiiife"
The dangerous wife sounds like a woman started a network of independence among foreign brides. Dentate vaginas! I wish I had thought of that as a way to deflect sexual advances or the use of sex tools(just to be safe and potentially actually satisfied). Marriage isn't for the faint of heart❤. LoL
nothing ventured nothing gained.
Sorry Creganford, but a whole lot of nothing was said in this video. Very uninformative
Perhaps you had it on mute.
@@Crecganford okay, other than saying - ''these myths exist and they are very old'' - what have you said? Where is the analysis of these myths? Why did they come into existence? What were the men who made these stories saying about the opp gender?
You are afraid to speak about these things. Because that would get you classified as a my so gynist. That is why your video is so empty
@@citycrusher9308 I'm finding it fascinating. Thoughts & beliefs from 30000 years ago will always to a certain extent speculation.
If you're not enjoying it, as noticed by you repeated comments expecting an explicit answer, no doubt based on your subjective speculation, don't watch.
@@gilliandawson6567 there has been no speculation here. If you don't like truth don't comment
Look at poor prince harry and his wife. She is a terror.😂😂😂
😂👍🙋
Mythology??? I guess you are not married yet!
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