Did Joe Dart RIP OFF Chic?!

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  • @arieltz23
    @arieltz23 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    The Vulfpeck song is literally called "3 on E", and its lyrics (as is the melody) are a direct homage to the great bass lines of the past that feature 3 consistent strikes of the E string on the beat, namely "Hollywood Swinging" by Kool & the Gang, "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen, and of course, "Good Times" by Chic and the late legend Bernard Edwards.
    Love them both! Great lesson as always! Thanks Scott and Ian!

    • @tomebasic2843
      @tomebasic2843 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget I need you Tonight by INXS. And yeah, the idea that you can "steal" a rhythm patern is ridiculous

    • @WildWildWeasel
      @WildWildWeasel ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That song is a gigantic tribute, not a ripoff...and it's actually super enjoyable.
      Then again, what Vulfpeck/TFF song isn't enjoyable?

    • @La_sagne
      @La_sagne 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      did you just repeat the intro of the video?

  • @Discophonic
    @Discophonic ปีที่แล้ว +146

    Did Joe Dart RIP OFF Chic?! yes, next question ! Seriously who has never ripped off Chic

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Lars Ulrich

    • @Mark-db1ok
      @Mark-db1ok ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Solid point! And if you haven't ripped off a little Bernard Edwards yet, why not??

    • @adamgreenhill110
      @adamgreenhill110 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Another One Bites the Dust!

    • @spacedaddy5517
      @spacedaddy5517 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not me, I stole Chics bike and I been pedaling it ever since.

    • @martinheath5947
      @martinheath5947 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And Francis Rocco Prestia

  • @rome8180
    @rome8180 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    That chromatic walk-up from the 2nd to the 3rd is one of Joe's favorite moves. You can find it all over his bass lines.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's from the OG of the "3 on E" bass lines. The song that started it all - Kool & The Gang's "Hollywood Swinging" from 1973.

    • @XanBcoo
      @XanBcoo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I use it all the time now because of him

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว

      @@XanBcoo Me too!

    • @lidiaspazzard
      @lidiaspazzard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@XanBcoo Yep, me too.

    • @coreyshafarman8918
      @coreyshafarman8918 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s a bass funk trope. One of the reasons Joe Dart is so cool is because he takes those old tropes and modernizes them

  • @exhpv
    @exhpv ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Can you guys please do a video on the genius of Bernard Edwards! SO many amazing basslines! Thinking Of You by Sister Sledge being my favourite!

  • @BenD_Bass
    @BenD_Bass ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Kool and the Gang - "Hollywood swinging" is another dope 3 on E bassline and Joe Dart is my favorite bass human

    • @MiddleMalcolm
      @MiddleMalcolm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Direct influence on "Good Times". Family connection with Nile. ❤

  • @pamelamcanulty5236
    @pamelamcanulty5236 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The second fill part calls me back to Weather Report’s Birdland a bit. Does anyone else hear that?

  • @craigridley9618
    @craigridley9618 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Though it comes with ernie ball cobalt flats, Joe plays with Thomastik infeld jazz flats on the musicman- 👀bright red silks.
    That’s the full scale version- the shorty has a pickguard.
    Always happy to hear more vulf appreciation in the world!

  • @shannonmcmackin4665
    @shannonmcmackin4665 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interestingly, if you get a chance to see Vulfpeck's performance at Bonaroo, they actually kick off 3 on E with a medley of all the songs you pointed out here. I heard that and immediately recalled this episode. Good stuff...

  • @BARTFUNKBASS
    @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว +16

    1979 till early 1980s was an "3 on E" bass line era. If you dig deep you'll find dozens of bass lines that are similar to "Good Times". Lately, it's hip again to use it. Just check Dua Lipa's "Break My Heart", Doja Cat's "Say So" or Justin Timberlake's "Can't Stop The Feeling".

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You could add Justin's "Rock Your Body" to that list.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@christopherweise438 Woody - the keyboard player from Vulfpeck made one too. It's called Woody and Jeremy - "Fat Boys in the Gym of Love": th-cam.com/video/oxBxv5fDgf8/w-d-xo.html

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BARTFUNKBASS - The entire "Vulf" universe is incredible. I went down the "Fearless Flyers" rabbit hole and never emerged.

    • @BARTFUNKBASS
      @BARTFUNKBASS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@christopherweise438 I also listened to more Fearless Flyers than Vulfpeck. Hard to believe I haven't heard of Nate Smith before.

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BARTFUNKBASS - Same here.....and i'm a drummer. Dude has a pocket so deep there are Chilean miners trapped in it.

  • @doctersound9630
    @doctersound9630 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    More VULFPECK please! (And maybe some more PRIMUS! LETS GO!) - You two THUMP! Love the longer videos as well... So much awesome content here! Cheers from Canada!

  • @gkournavos
    @gkournavos ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice vid as always guys. Plus, Wal basses have never had the love they deserved over the decades. That one is an absolute beauty. Why not teach people parts of Brand X's Wal to Wal? That's be pretty cool.

    • @ArtbyJoeH
      @ArtbyJoeH ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Add 'fretless' to that!

  • @Matt-Hurin
    @Matt-Hurin ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Everyone has.. Nard will always be the 🐐...Always 🤘🏼, Nard Nile and Tony are the Holy Trinity of rhythm sections

  • @bassimprovjams3772
    @bassimprovjams3772 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Luv that Wal!!!!

  • @willb1157
    @willb1157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That "horn Line" IT'S BARNY MILLER!!!!! Hear it in there? I'm not sure about "to each his own". the timbre changes, and at least on viol family instruments or acoustics (me = double bass) there are often instructions as to wha is where. Rabbath has a piece that is "call and response" that is the same phrase played at different places (same notes) and it's such an obvious difference. Even here I hear it....I really try to find out fingerings if I am playing something composed by someone else........I'll get my coat. But GREAT VID! thank you Bald Brothers.

  • @B0BHW
    @B0BHW ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice unison playing guys!

  • @Basslick
    @Basslick ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes! What everyone else shared with a little bit of the theme from the old tv show "Barney Miller"..... its a lotta little bit of everything...such joy!

  • @samuelemeryjiujitsu
    @samuelemeryjiujitsu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this title. My first thought was "GOD THAT WOULD BE AWESOME IF HE DID!"

  • @MarcusN-kp1jn
    @MarcusN-kp1jn ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Everyone "steals". Even Jaco did, and admitted to it. You just gotta steal with style, and that involves adding your personal touch to whatever riff you're borrowing from, and developing it further. And that's harder than it sounds.

    • @willb1157
      @willb1157 ปีที่แล้ว

      NO! I don't ever "Steal". That's why You have never heard of me! . I think it's impossible not to do it even unconsciously. We may not even be aware that we ever heard whatever it is. It's happened loads to me.

  • @Pladderkasse
    @Pladderkasse ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think I've ever payed an original bass line in my life, even in bands where we made original music. Everything seems to have been done under the sun, when you dig deep enough.

  • @stevenpipes1555
    @stevenpipes1555 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like those other songs of course, but i LOVE 3 On E so much! Joe is a killer, Cory is one of the best players out there, Antwan Stanley is near the top of my deserted island list of singers. And if all that isn't the coolest ever, lets throw Theo in there too, just to make sure we blow the top off of the meter!

  • @TommyGBassChannel
    @TommyGBassChannel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, but I also need a tutorial for how to move the neck, exactly like he does! 🤗

  • @wavryder6ft
    @wavryder6ft ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the Rocky Horror long sleeve...

  • @6lillium
    @6lillium ปีที่แล้ว

    Every great artist is a magpie at heart. How they apply it is what sets them apart......

  • @davidbragg4972
    @davidbragg4972 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice Wal 🎸👌

  • @spacedaddy5517
    @spacedaddy5517 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:36 This is hilarious when Scott shows us how to not play it : ). The creativity though.

  • @m1kr0kosmos
    @m1kr0kosmos ปีที่แล้ว

    Béla Bartók bit Beethoven’s 13th & 14th string quartet intros but only the beginning. I think if someone borrows a motif and takes it somewhere else, that’s in tradition of how things have always been.

  • @ThomCate
    @ThomCate ปีที่แล้ว

    OK, that Tattooine cap. I need it. Where can I find it? Please, and thank you.

  • @Maxiamaru
    @Maxiamaru ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The end of that second part sounds like the seasame street theme to me for some reason

    • @rome8180
      @rome8180 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, the melody of that part of the Sesame Street theme is also based around a dominant scale.

  • @jeffreyyyy3052
    @jeffreyyyy3052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jaco pastorius Victor wooten James jamerson, a bit of flea stanley clark etc etc. People like us who play music instead of songs on an instrument sometimes speak the same words.

  • @awiems
    @awiems ปีที่แล้ว

    you guys together, rock!!

    • @devinebass
      @devinebass  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @adamwalcott_official
    @adamwalcott_official ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please, Ian and Scott: lets see a video tribute to the late Ray Shulman of Gentle Giant.

  • @gregorymoore1210
    @gregorymoore1210 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nailed the basic structure down in about ten hours. Working on timing now…

  • @zprince4120
    @zprince4120 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it just me or does That fill in the second higher part sounds like something taken from the Barny Miller theme?

  • @GregSB1
    @GregSB1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How about Hollywood Swinging?

  • @hhamilton1970
    @hhamilton1970 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such good stuff

  • @skonatrix
    @skonatrix ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Scott Could you please go over a tutorial on a tune called LOAD by the bassist LABEX?

  • @meeamee
    @meeamee ปีที่แล้ว

    good times is the greatest dance song of all time so I dont blame him no. he’s really good at revisiting classics, like he did with dean town

  • @dorssberube
    @dorssberube ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bernard is the man! I love Chic, love Vulf also! Joe❤!🤌🏻

    • @willb1157
      @willb1157 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bernard was once asked what strings he used...he said whatever came on the bass, and he had never changed them - ("Good Times" Riff). He IS the man. All in his fingers.

  • @danielpalmersofficial
    @danielpalmersofficial ปีที่แล้ว

    Most of the bass lines I know have that open E string thing, I always expect to hear it. ✌️😙

  • @craighill3715
    @craighill3715 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So has John Taylor, John Deacon, Guy Pratt. If you're trying to get people dancing Bernard Edwards is about as good as they get. I plan on ripping him off at a wedding next week😂

  • @icon777771
    @icon777771 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome guys. Could you cover Shalamars There it is bass line please I believe another song in E if I’m not mistaken? Cheers

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er ปีที่แล้ว

    It's important to remember that music is a continuum, and that it's incredibly rare for an artist to reinvent an instrument. It's expected to borrow or outright steal to bring things into one's playing. For me, that's totally fine. What I find more annoying is that fans of certain bands might worship a particular musician thinking they're a unique and generational talent, when really they're getting plaudits for ripping off DFA1979, or copping Francis Rocco Prestia licks.

  • @rubensleite9384
    @rubensleite9384 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's Joe Dart's time 😊😊😊 !

  • @jamesbeard
    @jamesbeard ปีที่แล้ว

    That Wal sounds killer

  • @pablofichaje
    @pablofichaje 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Break my Heart by Dua Lipa is also a 3 on E bassline

  • @dlannom04
    @dlannom04 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cantina Band!!! Love it!

  • @virgilrytaar9083
    @virgilrytaar9083 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please have a look at Pretty Green by The Jam, simple but perfect

  • @jonartan4754
    @jonartan4754 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When the theft is blantant it should be a homage/tribute, which is a complement that directs people to the original innovator. Keeping quiet implies youre happy letting people believe you did the hard work. Give credit where it is due or add enough of your own thing to make it yours.

  • @Blakeadam52
    @Blakeadam52 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joes neck is what provides 50% more groove than other players

  • @emmanuelacharithayamim3627
    @emmanuelacharithayamim3627 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Wal and an Antigua Jazz, what’s next?

  • @Nugmania1
    @Nugmania1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boys, Big brother weighing in, you can tell that Joe listened to Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, from the last part of riff starting in E.
    It’s Tears of a Clown

  • @V.Cole111
    @V.Cole111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's jack stratton who composed this bassline

  • @synthonaplinth5980
    @synthonaplinth5980 ปีที่แล้ว

    He also paid homage to Rocco Prestia on 'Dean Town'.

  • @Uncle--Fatty
    @Uncle--Fatty ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank Goodness the Smell 0 Vision is out of commission... Happy Dads Day Fellas..!!

  • @austinstyles6393
    @austinstyles6393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s also has some “Barney Miller” theme song flavorings in it.

  • @JMGilberto
    @JMGilberto ปีที่แล้ว

    There's 11 notes, no one is gonna play anything new, nothing can really be called stealing at this point anymore...music is just fusing, influencing, and evolving. Musically paying tribute to your influences in the open by musical homage should be encouraged. I think Jellyfish was the first band to openly wear all of their musical influences on their sleeves; Here's some Beatles, here's some Who, here's some Queen...

  • @WalterDiamond
    @WalterDiamond ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You get a like for the horrible dad joke at the end.

  • @BYLRPhil
    @BYLRPhil ปีที่แล้ว +5

    But didn’t everyone kind of rip off everyone else?

    • @McDoinky
      @McDoinky ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but they're clickbaiting so it's irrelevant

    • @KiraPlaysGuitar
      @KiraPlaysGuitar หลายเดือนก่อน

      'Everything is a remix'

  • @ErixSamson
    @ErixSamson ปีที่แล้ว

    This Wall is a monster!

  • @UOFKfan100
    @UOFKfan100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Antwaun Stanley explains in the lyrics 3 on E is an ancient funk secret passed down orally lol. This video is just more proof of that concept 🤣 vulfpeck being musically prophetic yet again

  • @jonsidell3338
    @jonsidell3338 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d use any excuse to play that Wal. Shoot a “Joe Dart plays funk” video, deal!

  • @viplimosvip9119
    @viplimosvip9119 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello I can hear the first part sounds like kool and the gang Hollywood swinging and the second part sound like the bass line for the start up song on barnyard Miller old TV show that what I hear don't think anything was stolen just great bass lines

  • @tc860
    @tc860 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly, if you dont rip off some chic when playing funk, you might be doing something wrong 😂

  • @toddh2152
    @toddh2152 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like barney miller theme

  • @kristianwichmann9996
    @kristianwichmann9996 ปีที่แล้ว

    Come for the funky bass lines, stay for the dad math joke

  • @thomp9054
    @thomp9054 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cory Wong has one of the best touring bands out right now
    They are all insane monster players

  • @MadMagicPaul
    @MadMagicPaul ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Poor video name guys. The entire "3 on E" thing is clearly a tribute, acknowledging the greats of the past.
    Anyway - didn't Stratton write it? Joe Dart has said in interview that he's a sideman and he plays what he is told.

  • @Tivbassg
    @Tivbassg ปีที่แล้ว

    The Joe Dart bass is based on a Sterling not a Stingray.

  • @benoitm9199
    @benoitm9199 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did Joe Dart rip off chickens neck move !?

  • @davidfox7983
    @davidfox7983 ปีที่แล้ว

    Influence nothing else.. great line to from Joe

  • @alwoo
    @alwoo ปีที่แล้ว

    All these songs came after good times

  • @diegoyonamine8943
    @diegoyonamine8943 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another awesome jam +class ,
    But really , Ive to say ut
    bad decision on title , thumb

  • @fs_dave
    @fs_dave หลายเดือนก่อน

    You cut the ocarina!

  • @lucasdebarros8712
    @lucasdebarros8712 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Of course he did! But who didn't?

  • @rorymckenzie8598
    @rorymckenzie8598 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Joe Dart's chiropractor has his work cut out for him.

    • @miykaelp5284
      @miykaelp5284 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, Joe is going to have major neck issues down the line

  • @dctbass
    @dctbass ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been playing bass since 1983. Still not very well. But something I have consistently fought against;
    Bass Players Neck.
    That swan like movement.
    So uncool! 😁
    Just tap your foot ffs! 😁

  • @ultramet
    @ultramet ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe Dart probably did rip off Bernard Edwards and Bernard would be proud that his legacy is being carried on by such a great young bassist.

  • @1lug
    @1lug ปีที่แล้ว

    @nd pass sounds like a small tribute to the TV show Barney Miller theme song.

  • @Nickpaflas
    @Nickpaflas ปีที่แล้ว

    If you're NOT ripping off Bernard Edwards, are you even playing funk bass?

  • @camerakungfu
    @camerakungfu ปีที่แล้ว

    That "horn line" is part of the Barney Miller theme song.
    th-cam.com/video/roHYXrLhmHc/w-d-xo.html

  • @thomp9054
    @thomp9054 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of Vulf songs are homages to classic funk songs.

  • @offbeatbassgear
    @offbeatbassgear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The bigger ripoff is what they tried to charge for that dumbed-down Joe Dart signature bass from Ernie Ball...

  • @michaelfowler3187
    @michaelfowler3187 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't like until the joke at the end

  • @MrKiwiJack
    @MrKiwiJack ปีที่แล้ว

    Three on E has always just sounded like a funkier version of the old Barney Miller TV Theme, especially the ending of each phrase.
    th-cam.com/video/cmiC0C6Dkgo/w-d-xo.html

  • @giuseppeguardi991
    @giuseppeguardi991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bernard is a Master and Joe a little Elf (ridiculous)

  • @ericpage3693
    @ericpage3693 ปีที่แล้ว

    more like Chic + the theme from Barney Miller.

  • @lawrencebyrdsong7570
    @lawrencebyrdsong7570 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He didn't steal anything. Just playing a musicman with flats thats all

  • @garrettlowell7637
    @garrettlowell7637 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did Greenday rip off Chicago? Did Prince rip off James Brown? This list of questions and obvious answers is extremely long.

  • @homewithj1
    @homewithj1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe dart couldn't touch Benard Edwards on his best day. Also Cleary he's been influenced be Chic.Its funny how black music has always been appropriated by others but is rarely ever celebrated on the same level. Its the Elvis syndrome .Side note I'm not sure where you guys are located . But if you (or anyone else who reads this ) are even in NYC . You should go check out the great Fred Thomas . From the original JB's (James brown) . This man lives in BK and does regular gigs and master classes . Although you get the master class for the cost of entry at one of his regular gigs.

  • @coreyshafarman8918
    @coreyshafarman8918 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve ripped off Bernard Edwards, I just didn’t do it as well as Joe Dart

  • @rickrudd
    @rickrudd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would call Joe Dart a poseur if he DIDN'T rip off Edwards.

  • @BenD_Bass
    @BenD_Bass ปีที่แล้ว

    I just noticed Good Times, Another One Bites The Dust, 3 On E, and Hollywood Swinging are all in different keys. I smell an Idea for explaining modes here lol

  • @bassist789
    @bassist789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe Dart and vulfpeck rip off everyone and they know it! It’s a music appreciation project. They aren’t bringing anything new to the musical conversation whatsoever and they’re not trying to.

  • @MaliV.Williams
    @MaliV.Williams หลายเดือนก่อน

    U ALL "Rip us OFF"!! LOL!!

  • @Pnanasnoic
    @Pnanasnoic ปีที่แล้ว

    All of their music is derivative and sounds like a warm up jam.

  • @alwoo
    @alwoo ปีที่แล้ว

    😅 sure he did

  • @TheDarkKnight73
    @TheDarkKnight73 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm either way he is not a favor of mine

  • @BartekDeGod100
    @BartekDeGod100 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t even have to watch the video first to say this: ART. IS. ALL. DERIVATIVE.

  • @CC-fi3pp
    @CC-fi3pp ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian always loves to think he's the best. He thinks his bass is better, the way he plays it is better. His bass did not sound better than Scott's P Bass. He's annoying, Scott handles him well by not arguing with his foolishness.

  • @thumbthump
    @thumbthump ปีที่แล้ว

    EVERYBODY rips off Bernard.