My grandmother passed away in 1990. I took pictures of her in her casket. I was asked why, I said the last time I saw her, she looked really bad. The effects of Parkinson's, dementia and old age had taken its toll. When she was still able to get around and would leave home, she wore a pretty dress, had her face, nails and hair done up. The mortician had her "prettied" her up like I remembered her. That's the grandmother I remember. Not the sickly, elderly woman that I cried over in the rest home. Rest In Peace, Granny. I miss you.
I too took a picture of my father(89) in the casket . I felt I had to capture the last time I would see him physically on earth. It is strangely comforting somehow.
@@sylvestercoffee7212 I agree. My grandmother looked so beautiful. She didn't look anything like the old lady I visited in the rest home. She looked like the beautiful, sweet, southern lady I remember.
Melissa Gahn....My neighbor, whose kids I babysat for when I was a young teen, once said that the mortician is going to have her look so good, everyone will say, “She looks great; look how beautiful she is!” I laughed, because she was right, men/women look their best after the mortician spruces them up. I’ve heard this at wakes. I want to look like Liz Taylor when I’m “laid out”....old or young, her beauty never failed.
Crazy, isn't it??? When visiting her in the care home, she didn't look like the Granny you grew up with, correct? After she passed away, and the mortician prepared her for viewing, she looked like the Granny you grew up with. I was an RN for 30 years and I went to a number of my patient's funerals. I am always amazed at how different they look when everything is relaxed after death. I am so very sorry for your loss, but glad you saw her as the Granny you grew up with. 🖤 Hope you are well. 🖤
I completely understand why people wanted one last memory of them before the final burial… I just feel sympathy for the siblings that had to take photos with their lost brother or sister..
There are professional photographers in the US today that will photograph deceased babies that lived briefly in an an intensive care (NICU) setting. While alive these babies were attached to tubes, cables and dressings that precluded the taking of pictures that one could actually recognize these children. These photographers are trained to arrange the babies and their settings to appear as normal as possible to give the parents an image to remember their loved one.
In Australia we have a similar service, the photographers volunteer their time, cameras are donated & kept at many of our major hospitals. The medical team offer the service & make arrangements. It is a beautiful service for the families
They are volunteers from an organization called "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep." There are several examples of their work on TH-cam if anyone is interested to see more. 🖤
My family still takes death or funeral pictures of our loved ones. I don't find it creepy or morbid. I find that in the moment of the funeral we are so consumed with loss, we don't actually remember the the moment. I find it helps with the loss.
My father’s mother died when Dad was about 10 (1927-ish). She died a few months after the birth of her third son. A photograph was taken outside of the funeral parlor, where her huge Lithuanian-American family gathered around her open casket. The front side of the casket was dropped open, so you could see her entire body in repose. My grandmothers three young sons look sad and devastated in that photo. I remember the first time I saw it (it’s a huge, folio-sized photo). I found it macabre and scary. As I grew older, I concentrated on the images of my dad and his little brothers. Their faces broke my heart. We’ve only got two photos of my grandmother: one taken at her wedding in the 1910s, and the other in her casket at her funeral. As off-putting as her last photo is, I’m so grateful it was taken. She died decades before I was born.
Post mortem photography is still very much still a thing today mainly with stillborn babies or babies who died soon after birth. I see people uploading such photos to their social media pages, I don’t enjoy seeing such photos but if it helps the parents grieve then that’s their choice.
Check out "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep." I know some see it as morbid, but that pmp may be the only photo taken, and it was better than no photo at all.
Postmortem photos are still taken every day in the US, and for the same reasons - of stillborn babies, because it is the only photo the family will ever have. Many find it comforting, but a very personal choice.
In the Victorian era they may not have had a lot of photos of their loved ones. They didn't have digital cameras and photos were a luxury. Post Mortom photos may have been the only photo they had to remember their loved ones.
I enjoyed your pictures. They took the pictures because it was a imagine of their loved ones. They hurt and ached so much in their grief. I can see why they did it.
I have a picture of my grandfather and it means alot to me. I was really close to him. My middle son to a picture of our cat Oreo the morning he passed. He said so he would never forget him. That little guy became the best friend to our entire family, especially me. I didn't want a cat but we got one for my daughter's birthday. He was an abandoned stray. I still have his ashes in my armour with his collar. I want him mixed with my ashes when I die.
Wow, this was a very well-done video! This is definitely high-quality content; excellent research and great narration! Faces of The Forgotten recommended this video, glad he did!
My thought has always been, people of those times didn't have family photos. Too expensive, but when someone passes it was their last chance of seeing them again. Now days, people take dozens of pictures a day and have lots of pictures to look back on.
it was explained in another video that a lot of these people who had photo's taken of their dead were poor and this was the only photo they could afford. and there for the only photo of their loved one they would be able to have.
Photographs were not so expensive the average family couldn't have photos taken, and pm photos were not cheaper. They may not have had the chance to have photos taken, and a pm was better than no photo.
I have taken post mortem photos of my grandfather my mother and my father-all people in my family that have made me the person I am.No it is not morbid it is a record of the people who have made me the person I am,and I hope my two sons do the same to me when my time is up.
When you said that some of the portraits taken were of living persons, I became curious and got to thinking. What if some unscrupulous photographers back then unethically used actual portraits of still living persons as examples of their of their post mortem work. Imagine some shady photographer presenting those portraits in order to dupe the unsuspecting and desperate families, who in the grips of mourning the loss of their loved ones, came to believe the photograher's work sample were true made the deceased look alive? That would be the ultimate, disgusting and most disgraceful form of "click bait", imo!
I heard that having photographs taken back in the day was was a luxury for most people because they had so little especially money to pay for the photos. But when grieving for a loved one I would imagine the poor would do whatever they could to get something to remember them with.
It was expensive but not so expensive most couldn't afford it. Definitely wasn't a luxury. Before photography the only way to preserve an image of a loved one was with a painting, and only the very rich could afford paintings.
Working in a nursing home for almost 40 yrs I have seen a lot of at home funeral pictures, with the coffin and the old pennies being used to keep the eyes closed. They usually have a family shot. I love taking pics of just about anything but no .. thank you for the great video , very respectful of an odd topic :) xo
Often I see old pics from this era and seems like if the comments don't say they seem so unhappy then they say that someone in the pic is dead. No matter how many times they are told they had to sit very still and often didn't smile in them.
Welcome to the channel! I hope you like the video and don't think it's too spooky 💀 It's a big ooops from me though - at 2:15, the regulation was actually passed in Vienna in 1891. For some reason, my brain decided to say Hungary when recording and I didn't catch the mistake until I made the subtitles. Why must it always be this way?!? Edit: oh my goodness, hello everyone!! thank you for watching and for the support 😊 when I made this video, I was still learning the ropes and I never expected it to take off like this. I'm always aiming to improve so if you want to see what I get up to next then please subscribe to join the history gang! I've recently set up a Buy me a Coffee page, so if you're feeling especially kind you can drop me a few pennies and I will be eternally grateful (there is a link on my channel page and in the description)
Well you gotta give them a bit of a break. Photography was the new fangled pinnacle of modern technology and was still very expensive. If a relative died the only way you would ever have to know what they looked like beyond those that had direct memories of them was to get a post mortem picture. It was sort of the last chance before that person was lost to history. Then as photography became more common and cheaper, people had tons of living pictures so death photography just became weird and creepy.
It really is less morbid and more heartbreaking when you think about where the idea for post mortem photography comes from. My dad's 7 year old little brother died in the 1950s from drowning. After my Grandma passed away in the early 2010s, we found an entire photo album filled with pictures of the little boy's funeral, and at least a dozen pictures of him in his coffin. Dad didn't know the album existed until that moment, but said it was the only pictures Grandma had of her son. They usually didn't get their pictures taken until high school back then, and family pictures were still a luxury in rural USA. It's not sick when you stop and think about it. It's all they had of the people they loved. A last chance.
Thank you for sharing a little part of your family history, Megan. It really is heartbreaking, especially the ones where they were photographed in coffins From what I've read, it was much less common and more taboo to take these kinds of pictures by the twentieth century, at least on this side of the Atlantic. But as you've found, it seems like that wasn't always the case in the rural USA. I hope there is some more research into how this photography practice developed over time and in different parts of the world. Your photo album shows that it's needed!
@@MimiMortmain post mortem photos weren't nearly as popular as Etsy and eBay would like you to believe, and they were obvious with decedent in a bed or coffin surrounded by flowers. If you question whether or not a photo is pm, it is not pm. There was no standing, no sitting, no painted eyelids. Those are just a few of the bs myths of pmp.
There is more to be seen and learned besides whether the person was passed or alive . I've read small children were sometimes given something to get them to sit still or sleep till the picture was taken. You get to know about clothing ,customs furniture ,hair styles etc from all pictures of the past.
you’re absolutely right! old pictures can tell us all kinds of things about the past. I love looking at photographs as historical sources, but I had to narrow down the topic otherwise the video would go on for hours 😅 I wanted to encourage people to look out for interesting details in photographs and not just to sensationalise the people from the past shown in them. I’m happy to hear you’re interested in old photos too 😊
Your voice is lovely..so asmr and tingly.Im a huge fan of history and im glad faces of the forgotten suggested your channel.Hopefully this bumps up your channel and we get lots of content!
My mother's family took pictures of my sister in her coffin, she died before her 3rd birthday, back then most people didn't have cameras so I only know of 2 pictures of my sister, 1 was professional and I don't know who took the other, but it was after her bath, moms family thought that mom and dad at some point would want the last pictures, but they never did. Her death was just to painful. They were given to my aunt and when she died I got them. I'm so happy to have them.
Really great video, may I make one suggestion, slow things down a little. A little hard to keep up with the narration, and need more time to process photos. You are off to a great start. Thanks.
@@MimiMortmain Exactly. Though it is sad, there is still great love and tenderness in many such photos...even though you can often see in one that a dying child knows that they are dying, more love than fear is shown.
The eyes will always indicate if a person is deceased, and yes often it was pre-mortem photos. Pm photos are quite obvious as well with decedent lying in repose. There are many mislabeled PMP than actual pmp.
I remember hearing my grandmother and great grandmother having a debate on whether it was appropriate to take a picture of a dead relative at their funeral back in the 70s We have a few postmortem pictures in the family archives.
I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I was born at what used to be named Georgia Baptist hospital right smack in the middle of downtown Atl. My family, on my Daddy's side, takes pictures of them with the body. It's also considered an honor to tend to someone as they pass, just like being allowed at a birth. I've been the photographer at both...never fails....someone will hand my daddy the camera or a phone and he throws it to me then dips. Southern etiquette next requires me to do what my daddy told me to do, no matter how old I am.
Photography of the dead lasted here in America until the mid-20th century. James Van Der Zee, an African American photographer located in New York City, had a thriving business taking photographs of the dead as well as conventional portraiture and event photography. Some of his post mortem photographs were collected in "The Harlem Book of the Dead" featuring photos made from the 1920s into the 1960s. Long out of print, the book is quite pricey on Amazon and other booksellers. Your local library may have a copy.
Very bad title. No. But when a loved one passed away they wanted to have a keepsake of that person. Often even posing the corpse with eyes open for the photo and including siblings if it was an infant or young child. For me the open eyes is going to far, but it doesn't give me the right to judge them as obsessed.
you’re right! I think it’s the most obvious example of the misinformation around this subject. to me it seemed inappropriate to use a genuine pm photo to advertise the video, so I went for Charles Dodgson instead. plus he was a bit of a creep so I had no qualms putting a skull emoji over the picture
My mother’s father died in Pakistan while in port there with the Merchant Marines. The Pakistani government would not allow his body to be shipped back to the U.S. to his wife and 5 daughters for burial. The only proof of his death was a picture of him in a casket that was cherished. When my father died my mother asked me to take a picture of him in the coffin at his wake so she could have one of him as well. His Italian family raised the roof calling me a heathen!
Previously stated by another: "Nice voice but the super speedy reading was brutal to the brain and ears." I had to change playback speed to 0.75. Also too many repeat photos. Editing could be improved to reduce length to half of what it is. I'm not trolling, just providing suggestions for possible improvements to an interesting historic subject presentation.
My daughter moved into an apt. in an old house. She found a picture (8x10 color) of a small baby lying in a fancy bowl with flowers around the baby. She really liked it until I told her it was a photo of a dead baby.
How do you know baby was dead? They often photographed younger children when they slept because they were still. Dressing them up in a fancy bowl does not seem post mortem.
Both my parents committed suicide. I never got to see my mom because she overdosed and died in her backyard and got covered with 3 feet of snow (she was missing for days). The next day I gave birth to my first child. While I was in the hospital, my mom's husband (not my dad) had her cremated and didn't tell me. No funeral. Five years later, my dad shot himself in the head in his car. The last pictures I saw of him were the pictures the police took of him still sitting in his car with a hole in his head. Not the best memories.
Very factual. I had fallen for the lie that all of these pics were deceased people being propped up. I felt stupid when I actually researched the subject. I have to agree with other commenters though - slow down!
Please don't feel that way. No one can blame you for that because the bs is EVERYWHERE........heck BBC even did a documentary. Some people don't realize there's a whole community of people out there trained in Victorian Studies, and they'll be outright nasty and insulting, and want to argue about it as if we don't exist. My goal is to educate people so they stop paying outrageous prices for photos that do not exist. It isn't for bragging rights, it isn't to one-up anyone, or to make anyone feel stupid. It is to simply educate, get the truth out there and stop the scamming. $2000 for one post mortem photo of a standing corpse that does not exist. I'm not passionate about it for my benefit, but for the people throwing their money away. 🖤
It wasn't just a Victorian era I'm 52 and Me Too! And we have death photos of a lot of our family a lot of them are in their coffins that we have some better not but they are deceived
I don't see anything wrong with these photos. What I take issue with are the photos I saw earlier this week of a young deceased man whose friends scooped him out of his casket at his funeral, stuck him on a motorcycle between 2 men (living men) and took him for 'one last ride'.
Hi there 😊 I’m always working on my audio and video skills so thank you for letting me know how I can improve! I make subtitles to help people out for exactly this reason. You can also always pop the playback speed to 0.75 if that works better for you! But thank you for pushing through listening to my over-speediness 😅
Well I am not sure what you are talking about. I infact needed to speed the video up as it was too slow. You must be very old indeed if you could not follow on with this simple voice over!
hi Joan, I only selected images that I was the most confident conveyed my research robustly and that portrayed the history’s themes in the most accurate way. I would never show something just to fill a space or to add variety for the sake of it. I’m sorry you believe that makes it repetitive
My grandmother passed away in 1990. I took pictures of her in her casket. I was asked why, I said the last time I saw her, she looked really bad. The effects of Parkinson's, dementia and old age had taken its toll. When she was still able to get around and would leave home, she wore a pretty dress, had her face, nails and hair done up. The mortician had her "prettied" her up like I remembered her. That's the grandmother I remember. Not the sickly, elderly woman that I cried over in the rest home. Rest In Peace, Granny. I miss you.
I too took a picture of my father(89) in the casket .
I felt I had to capture the last time I would see him physically on earth.
It is strangely comforting somehow.
@@sylvestercoffee7212 I agree. My grandmother looked so beautiful. She didn't look anything like the old lady I visited in the rest home. She looked like the beautiful, sweet, southern lady I remember.
Great comment Mel. Your Granny would be proud.
Melissa Gahn....My neighbor, whose kids I babysat for when I was a young teen, once said that the mortician is going to have her look so good, everyone will say, “She looks great; look how beautiful she is!” I laughed, because she was right, men/women look their best after the mortician spruces them up. I’ve heard this at wakes. I want to look like Liz Taylor when I’m “laid out”....old or young, her beauty never failed.
Crazy, isn't it??? When visiting her in the care home, she didn't look like the Granny you grew up with, correct? After she passed away, and the mortician prepared her for viewing, she looked like the Granny you grew up with. I was an RN for 30 years and I went to a number of my patient's funerals. I am always amazed at how different they look when everything is relaxed after death.
I am so very sorry for your loss, but glad you saw her as the Granny you grew up with. 🖤 Hope you are well. 🖤
I completely understand why people wanted one last memory of them before the final burial… I just feel sympathy for the siblings that had to take photos with their lost brother or sister..
There are professional photographers in the US today that will photograph deceased babies that lived briefly in an an intensive care (NICU) setting. While alive these babies were attached to tubes, cables and dressings that precluded the taking of pictures that one could actually recognize these children. These photographers are trained to arrange the babies and their settings to appear as normal as possible to give the parents an image to remember their loved one.
In Australia we have a similar service, the photographers volunteer their time, cameras are donated & kept at many of our major hospitals. The medical team offer the service & make arrangements. It is a beautiful service for the families
They are volunteers from an organization called "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep." There are several examples of their work on TH-cam if anyone is interested to see more. 🖤
There are post mortem photographers today that will photograph anyone, regardless of age.........
My family still takes death or funeral pictures of our loved ones. I don't find it creepy or morbid. I find that in the moment of the funeral we are so consumed with loss, we don't actually remember the the moment. I find it helps with the loss.
My father’s mother died when Dad was about 10 (1927-ish). She died a few months after the birth of her third son. A photograph was taken outside of the funeral parlor, where her huge Lithuanian-American family gathered around her open casket. The front side of the casket was dropped open, so you could see her entire body in repose. My grandmothers three young sons look sad and devastated in that photo. I remember the first time I saw it (it’s a huge, folio-sized photo). I found it macabre and scary. As I grew older, I concentrated on the images of my dad and his little brothers. Their faces broke my heart. We’ve only got two photos of my grandmother: one taken at her wedding in the 1910s, and the other in her casket at her funeral. As off-putting as her last photo is, I’m so grateful it was taken. She died decades before I was born.
Post mortem photography is still very much still a thing today mainly with stillborn babies or babies who died soon after birth. I see people uploading such photos to their social media pages, I don’t enjoy seeing such photos but if it helps the parents grieve then that’s their choice.
Check out "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep." I know some see it as morbid, but that pmp may be the only photo taken, and it was better than no photo at all.
Postmortem photos are still taken every day in the US, and for the same reasons - of stillborn babies, because it is the only photo the family will ever have. Many find it comforting, but a very personal choice.
Absolutely. It is an organization of volunteers called "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep." There many examples of their work on TH-cam.
In the Victorian era they may not have had a lot of photos of their loved ones. They didn't have digital cameras and photos were a luxury. Post Mortom photos may have been the only photo they had to remember their loved ones.
Expensive yes, but not so expensive most couldn't afford photos. Definitely was not a luxury.
I enjoyed your pictures. They took the pictures because it was a imagine of their loved ones. They hurt and ached so much in their grief. I can see why they did it.
This is history & these photos are of peoples loved ones, nothing wrong with that ♥️ Rest In Peace
I think it's so touching. This was the only image they had of a loved one in some cases.
They only took post mortem photos if that person hadn't had photos taken yet. It was not common and not custom.
I have a picture of my grandfather and it means alot to me. I was really close to him. My middle son to a picture of our cat Oreo the morning he passed. He said so he would never forget him. That little guy became the best friend to our entire family, especially me. I didn't want a cat but we got one for my daughter's birthday. He was an abandoned stray. I still have his ashes in my armour with his collar. I want him mixed with my ashes when I die.
💔🙏🖤
Wow, this was a very well-done video! This is definitely high-quality content; excellent research and great narration! Faces of The Forgotten recommended this video, glad he did!
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My thought has always been, people of those times didn't have family photos. Too expensive, but when someone passes it was their last chance of seeing them again. Now days, people take dozens of pictures a day and have lots of pictures to look back on.
it was explained in another video that a lot of these people who had photo's taken of their dead were poor and this was the only photo they could afford. and there for the only photo of their loved one they would be able to have.
Photographs were not so expensive the average family couldn't have photos taken, and pm photos were not cheaper. They may not have had the chance to have photos taken, and a pm was better than no photo.
Faces of the forgotten sent me
happy to hear 😄
@@MimiMortmain I'm really happy he did. Excellent video.
I have taken post mortem photos of my grandfather my mother and my father-all people in my family that have made me the person I am.No it is not morbid it is a record of the people who have made me the person I am,and I hope my two sons do the same to me when my time is up.
When you said that some of the portraits taken were of living persons, I became curious and got to thinking. What if some unscrupulous photographers back then unethically used actual portraits of still living persons as examples of their of their post mortem work. Imagine some shady photographer presenting those portraits in order to dupe the unsuspecting and desperate families, who in the grips of mourning the loss of their loved ones, came to believe the photograher's work sample were true made the deceased look alive? That would be the ultimate, disgusting and most disgraceful form of "click bait", imo!
I heard that having photographs taken back in the day was was a luxury for most people because they had so little especially money to pay for the photos. But when grieving for a loved one I would imagine the poor would do whatever they could to get something to remember them with.
It was expensive but not so expensive most couldn't afford it. Definitely wasn't a luxury. Before photography the only way to preserve an image of a loved one was with a painting, and only the very rich could afford paintings.
Working in a nursing home for almost 40 yrs I have seen a lot of at home funeral pictures, with the coffin and the old pennies being used to keep the eyes closed. They usually have a family shot. I love taking pics of just about anything but no .. thank you for the great video , very respectful of an odd topic :) xo
Often I see old pics from this era and seems like if the comments don't say they seem so unhappy then they say that someone in the pic is dead. No matter how many times they are told they had to sit very still and often didn't smile in them.
Excuse me, I don't speak English. I want say, this photos not morbid for me.. It's sensitive for me. And I have respect for this person.
They take photos of movie stars or singers in their coffins ...Today .. Not that morbid ..
and there were photos taken of well-known figures after they passed back then too. it seems to be something people are always interested in 🤔
They most likely didn't want their loved ones forgotten but it's still kinda creepy
Welcome to the channel! I hope you like the video and don't think it's too spooky 💀 It's a big ooops from me though - at 2:15, the regulation was actually passed in Vienna in 1891. For some reason, my brain decided to say Hungary when recording and I didn't catch the mistake until I made the subtitles. Why must it always be this way?!?
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Mistakes are easily made but to admit one's mistake is the mark of a true professional. Great work and well presented.
Spooky ? ha ha ha ha..
It is so hard to give up our love ones. 😢
Well you gotta give them a bit of a break. Photography was the new fangled pinnacle of modern technology and was still very expensive. If a relative died the only way you would ever have to know what they looked like beyond those that had direct memories of them was to get a post mortem picture. It was sort of the last chance before that person was lost to history. Then as photography became more common and cheaper, people had tons of living pictures so death photography just became weird and creepy.
You should have tons of likes because what you said makes the most sense
Many were sooo poor. Photos were expensive. Typically the postmortem pics were the only one of that person. Sad.
It really is less morbid and more heartbreaking when you think about where the idea for post mortem photography comes from. My dad's 7 year old little brother died in the 1950s from drowning. After my Grandma passed away in the early 2010s, we found an entire photo album filled with pictures of the little boy's funeral, and at least a dozen pictures of him in his coffin. Dad didn't know the album existed until that moment, but said it was the only pictures Grandma had of her son. They usually didn't get their pictures taken until high school back then, and family pictures were still a luxury in rural USA.
It's not sick when you stop and think about it. It's all they had of the people they loved. A last chance.
Thank you for sharing a little part of your family history, Megan. It really is heartbreaking, especially the ones where they were photographed in coffins
From what I've read, it was much less common and more taboo to take these kinds of pictures by the twentieth century, at least on this side of the Atlantic. But as you've found, it seems like that wasn't always the case in the rural USA. I hope there is some more research into how this photography practice developed over time and in different parts of the world. Your photo album shows that it's needed!
@@MimiMortmain post mortem photos weren't nearly as popular as Etsy and eBay would like you to believe, and they were obvious with decedent in a bed or coffin surrounded by flowers. If you question whether or not a photo is pm, it is not pm. There was no standing, no sitting, no painted eyelids. Those are just a few of the bs myths of pmp.
They had no photos of their loved ones. Not like we do today so of course they would want a picture to remember their loved ones by
There is more to be seen and learned besides whether the person was passed or alive . I've read small children were sometimes given something to get them to sit still or sleep till the picture was taken. You get to know about clothing ,customs furniture ,hair styles etc from all pictures of the past.
you’re absolutely right! old pictures can tell us all kinds of things about the past. I love looking at photographs as historical sources, but I had to narrow down the topic otherwise the video would go on for hours 😅 I wanted to encourage people to look out for interesting details in photographs and not just to sensationalise the people from the past shown in them. I’m happy to hear you’re interested in old photos too 😊
Your voice is lovely..so asmr and tingly.Im a huge fan of history and im glad faces of the forgotten suggested your channel.Hopefully this bumps up your channel and we get lots of content!
thank you for coming over to watch ☺️
My mother's family took pictures of my sister in her coffin, she died before her 3rd birthday, back then most people didn't have cameras so I only know of 2 pictures of my sister, 1 was professional and I don't know who took the other, but it was after her bath, moms family thought that mom and dad at some point would want the last pictures, but they never did. Her death was just to painful. They were given to my aunt and when she died I got them. I'm so happy to have them.
Really great video, may I make one suggestion, slow things down a little. A little hard to keep up with the narration, and need more time to process photos. You are off to a great start. Thanks.
What an underrated channel, subbed immediately
thank you! 😊
Nice job on the history and video story.
thank you for watching 🙂
It was common to photograph the dying, not just the dead. Hence, some photos are actually perimortem rather than post mortem.
I can see how that might be the case 😢 Thinking about now, I'd want to get as many pictures and memories while I still could
@@MimiMortmain Exactly. Though it is sad, there is still great love and tenderness in many such photos...even though you can often see in one that a dying child knows that they are dying, more love than fear is shown.
The eyes will always indicate if a person is deceased, and yes often it was pre-mortem photos.
Pm photos are quite obvious as well with decedent lying in repose. There are many mislabeled PMP than actual pmp.
I remember hearing my grandmother and great grandmother having a debate on whether it was appropriate to take a picture of a dead relative at their funeral back in the 70s We have a few postmortem pictures in the family archives.
My family own a funeral home there no way a dead body can standing like that holding a chair make it make sense
it literally doesn’t make any sense at all 😭
Coming soon to a sick society near you:
Post-mortem Tik Toks
this side of TikTok definitely exists and I’m scared to check
Don't give them any ideas.
And it's lies, lies and more lies.....
I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I was born at what used to be named Georgia Baptist hospital right smack in the middle of downtown Atl. My family, on my Daddy's side, takes pictures of them with the body. It's also considered an honor to tend to someone as they pass, just like being allowed at a birth. I've been the photographer at both...never fails....someone will hand my daddy the camera or a phone and he throws it to me then dips. Southern etiquette next requires me to do what my daddy told me to do, no matter how old I am.
Excellent analysis!
Photography of the dead lasted here in America until the mid-20th century. James Van Der Zee, an African American photographer located in New York City, had a thriving business taking photographs of the dead as well as conventional portraiture and event photography. Some of his post mortem photographs were collected in "The Harlem Book of the Dead" featuring photos made from the 1920s into the 1960s. Long out of print, the book is quite pricey on Amazon and other booksellers. Your local library may have a copy.
Photography of the dead never ended in America.......
Very bad title. No. But when a loved one passed away they wanted to have a keepsake of that person. Often even posing the corpse with eyes open for the photo and including siblings if it was an infant or young child. For me the open eyes is going to far, but it doesn't give me the right to judge them as obsessed.
I heard that sometimes they would paint eyes on the lids so it would look like they were alive.
The photo of Lewis Carroll is also where he was alive and not dead....saw this on another channel
you’re right! I think it’s the most obvious example of the misinformation around this subject. to me it seemed inappropriate to use a genuine pm photo to advertise the video, so I went for Charles Dodgson instead. plus he was a bit of a creep so I had no qualms putting a skull emoji over the picture
My mother’s father died in Pakistan while in port there with the Merchant Marines. The Pakistani government would not allow his body to be shipped back to the U.S. to his wife and 5 daughters for burial. The only proof of his death was a picture of him in a casket that was cherished. When my father died my mother asked me to take a picture of him in the coffin at his wake so she could have one of him as well. His Italian family raised the roof calling me a heathen!
The undertaker: He's only happy when business is dead!
And he's probably the only guy who doesn't get complaints from his customers. 😆
Previously stated by another: "Nice voice but the super speedy reading was brutal to the brain and ears." I had to change playback speed to 0.75. Also too many repeat photos. Editing could be improved to reduce length to half of what it is. I'm not trolling, just providing suggestions for possible improvements to an interesting historic subject presentation.
Exactly the repsonse I had.
My daughter moved into an apt. in an old house. She found a picture (8x10 color) of a small baby lying in a fancy bowl with flowers around the baby. She really liked it until I told her it was a photo of a dead baby.
yes it well could be!
How do you know baby was dead? They often photographed younger children when they slept because they were still. Dressing them up in a fancy bowl does not seem post mortem.
Some photos were used on the tombstones ...I've seen many in coffins ...
Post mortem photos are in coffins or a bed.
I took pictures of my dad and mom and sister before they were put in the ground.
Both my parents committed suicide. I never got to see my mom because she overdosed and died in her backyard and got covered with 3 feet of snow (she was missing for days). The next day I gave birth to my first child. While I was in the hospital, my mom's husband (not my dad) had her cremated and didn't tell me. No funeral. Five years later, my dad shot himself in the head in his car. The last pictures I saw of him were the pictures the police took of him still sitting in his car with a hole in his head. Not the best memories.
I’m sorry that you’ve had to go through that. I hope things are better for you now 💜
Very factual. I had fallen for the lie that all of these pics were deceased people being propped up. I felt stupid when I actually researched the subject. I have to agree with other commenters though - slow down!
Please don't feel that way.
No one can blame you for that because the bs is EVERYWHERE........heck BBC even did a documentary. Some people don't realize there's a whole community of people out there trained in Victorian Studies, and they'll be outright nasty and insulting, and want to argue about it as if we don't exist. My goal is to educate people so they stop paying outrageous prices for photos that do not exist. It isn't for bragging rights, it isn't to one-up anyone, or to make anyone feel stupid. It is to simply educate, get the truth out there and stop the scamming. $2000 for one post mortem photo of a standing corpse that does not exist. I'm not passionate about it for my benefit, but for the people throwing their money away. 🖤
there is nothing wrong with this..
Very interesting video......Well-done
It wasn't just a Victorian era I'm 52 and Me Too! And we have death photos of a lot of our family a lot of them are in their coffins that we have some better not but they are deceived
Photography was something relatively new and there may have not ever been a picture made of that person. Its not like today where we have hundreds.
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thank you thank you
I get it! Bringing flowers to a funeral to cover the smell. Eh?
Waaaay too fast. Kind of like lives lived back then.
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Thank you for subtitles.
Please slow down when u speak
We're still obsessed you just don't see as much anymore
yep the real question of the video is ‘why are internet dwellers so obsessed with “creepy” nineteenth century photos?’ O.o
I don't see anything wrong with these photos. What I take issue with are the photos I saw earlier this week of a young deceased man whose friends scooped him out of his casket at his funeral, stuck him on a motorcycle between 2 men (living men) and took him for 'one last ride'.
Idk I don't find it creepy unless they're like well past rigor mortis
Can you talk any faster? That was brutal trying to keep up with the pictures and your explanations. Slow down.
Hi there 😊 I’m always working on my audio and video skills so thank you for letting me know how I can improve! I make subtitles to help people out for exactly this reason. You can also always pop the playback speed to 0.75 if that works better for you! But thank you for pushing through listening to my over-speediness 😅
I second that. Nice voice but the super speedy reading was brutal to the brain and ears.
Well I am not sure what you are talking about. I infact needed to speed the video up as it was too slow. You must be very old indeed if you could not follow on with this simple voice over!
The gentleman standing with his hand on the back of the chair, is definitely dead. - Either that, or he’s got three feet.
if there is a corpse that is standing then I think we have a different issue on our hands 🧛♂️
Very interesting and informative, shame the narrator speaks so fast. Difficult to keep up with.
Here bc of ron with FOF
Americans did that quite frequently into the early 1900s and later
Interesting 🧐
You talk way to fast, I had a hard understanding what you were saying
The same pictures were shown over, & over, & over again! Repetition is boring, dead or not!
hi Joan, I only selected images that I was the most confident conveyed my research robustly and that portrayed the history’s themes in the most accurate way. I would never show something just to fill a space or to add variety for the sake of it. I’m sorry you believe that makes it repetitive
I love it
Talking way, way too fast. My brain tunes out bc it’s too tiring to keep up. Otherwise a fascinating video.
Hello just talking to fast. Have a great day.
Hmmmm all this video is doing basically is trying to get people to spend money to watch a different site
which site? I’m literally so confused 😅 my aim is to dispel some internet myths and to encourage people to discuss how we think about the past ☺️
this is actaully a bruh moment
This woman talks tooooo fast, for future reference slow it down!!!!.........