10 Harsh Realities Of Rewatching Game of Thrones Part 1
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- This was an episode we recorded a few months back and I was never able to find the time to upload it. Since the the article has been changed from "10 things" to "15 things" and House of the Dragon has released. But I do believe it is still relevant as many people are still sour on the last few seasons of Game of Thrones and how it ends. One thing is clear though....House of the Dragon's ratings have made this guy's article age like milk.
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House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan J. Condal for HBO. It is a prequel to the television series Game of Thrones and is based on Martin's 2018 novel Fire & Blood. Set two hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones, the series chronicles the beginning of the end of House Targaryen, the events leading up to the Targaryen civil war, known as the "Dance of the Dragons", and the war itself. The main contenders are Houses Targaryen, Hightower, Stark, Baratheon, Arryn and Velaryon.
Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created for HBO by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Based on the fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. The series is set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, and interweaves several plot lines with a large ensemble cast. The first narrative arc follows a civil conflict among several noble houses for the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms; the second covers the attempts to reclaim the throne by the exiled last scion of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty; the third chronicles the rising threat of the impending winter and the legendary creatures and fierce peoples of the North.
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For me the peak of the show was Tyrion's trial and that trial by combat. It began to slip with Tyrion's escape though.
Spolier alert
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Is it any coincidence that Tyrion's escape coincides with the same moment the show splits off from the books? Even the written ones they didn't follow along after that
Tywin's death is the usual benchmark I use to illustrate the detectable decline to others when discussing the topic. I swear it's only a coincidence that he is also my favourite.
@@Rewwgh The show lost Tywin, Tyrion, the Red Viper, The Mountain, and earlier in the season the main antagonist Joffrey and replaced it with storylines of their own limited imagination. So, yeah the show sucks after that moment.
Some say the moment Tywin dies game of thrones died... I say it was when Jaime never told Tyrion the truth about tysha that drove Tyrion to the darkest place he's ever been in.
The moment they failed to have Jaime confess about Tysha, I audibily groaned.
And when every Stephen Dillane scene comes, and he just scowls at Davos instead of speaking any meaningful dialogue.
Arya killing the entire House Fray and baking them into a pie is one of the coldest, psycho murderous situations, and its never addressed later, no consequences, not even in her character or personality. And then the Hound pontificating to her about not following him into the path of vengeance is sooooo dumbfounding to me. Like, she is still this green girl with clean hands, and ignoring she killed and minced people and baked them into a pie. Granted, show-Dany and show-Cersei killed more people, but there is detachment between their action and actual deaths ( its still horrific and awful ). The entire last few episodes are just insulting to logic, characters development and storytelling.
It's kind of funny too, because her sailing off at the end could have been framed as that consequence. A sort of "once you've stared into the abyss, you can never truly go home". Like, have her be emotionally unable to reconnect with her family.
Instead, when despite having been forcibly separated from her loved ones for years, when they're finally reunited she's just like... "cool, good to see you, bored now"
She learned to take on the many faces and it was never used again in show if i remember. I just thought what was the whole point to her learning it.
Since the Danny war crime was basically not built up in any way and is so out of character it's basically not a real event, I think the most evil character is Arya or Cersei. Certainly Arya became a deeply sadistic and violent person who enjoys killing and has little to no compassion for anyone.
@@478Johnnyboy Chekhov would have something to say about season 7/8.
Rickon's death also didn't do anything. Casual viewers probably didn't even know who that was.
who?
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Oohh I think he means Dickon! The guy that was burned with his uncle or something!!
@@OfficialRedTeamReview LOL
@@Marcus001 Is that a joke on their joke? If not Dickon was burned with his father.
I think for me the first early warning sign that D&D were going to eventually ruin GoT was that they were dumb enough to not include Lady Stoneheart.
I thought the scene where Littlefinger is giving his back story while the women are having sex was symbolic. He says how he is gonna “fuck” his enemies versus “fighting” them, while he is essentially directing a porn scene. He’s going to manipulate/direct the seven kingdoms just like he’s manipulating/directing the women. Granted it is graphic, but still symbolic.
That’s a great take I’ve never heard before.
I hate peoples cheer for Arya about how badass she is while she actually has became a mad psychopath killer.
There was no season 8 Arya storyline . It was the Waif from the House of Black and White who killed the Night's King
They definitely were hinting at Arya sequel show of her traveling out West.
@@Lyger101 Maisie just did not wanna do it
@@Lyger101 I seriously don't get why everybody wants an Arya spinoff. She became such a boring and one-dimensional character that I personally would fall asleep watching her "adventures".
S2 left Danaery's story wrecked as so much was left out, none of her excruciating "dragon dreams" which are so important. Her entry into Qarth as spoilt, entitled queen threatening fire and blood when she had absolutely nothing made no sense.
It's not perfect, and really speaks to D&D's ability to give side plots attention, but at least it is an arc.
You want the good show but you need the bad pssuy
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Shireens death was the last one I actually felt. She was undoubtedly a B-character as well but her performance and the way they did that scene was phenomenal despite the fact the show had already been going downhill for a couple seasons. There was plenty of foreshadowing too but it wasnt so blatant.
Did D&D really admit in an interview they write sex scenes for actors/actresses just to see them in that situation? that seems like career suicide in this current climate so i kinda find that hard to believe
Just when you think they can't possibly be any dumber they prove you wrong...
That's not even the worst of it. They killed ser barristan selmy out of spite because the actor wrote them a long letter disagreeing on their choice to kill him and explaining that his character was still alive in the books and they were cutting him off early.
They actually admit to this in several interviews.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 You got it backwards. They didn't kill him off because he wrote them a letter, he wrote the letter because they killed him off, which he disagreed with based on the book material.
"They actually admit to this in several interviews." They admitted the letter only made them want to kill him off even more. It was unprofessional and petty, but that's David Benioff for you.
Yeah The Dragon Demands has a lot videos on the drama behind the scenes, because he’s actually sit through the hours of dvd commentary and interviews that D&D did. They specifically wrote the Ramsey rapes Sansa shit to try and get Sophie Turner an Emmy for her emoting skills. They were both obsessed with the actors emoting abilities and preferred scenes without dialogue. They thought the actors could convey major plot points and intrigue with just their faces. That’s why so many scenes and character actions don’t make any sense. They had whole paragraphs written in the script of dialogue or plot stuff that actors were supposed to convey with a look.
Theon's scenes with Ros and Osha in S1 showed him as an entitled wannabe-something. "I don't want to pay for it" - "Then get yourself a wife": that was character exposition to explain his later behaviour.
Jamie losing his hand was just as good as the Red Wedding ep in my opinion.... especially that mic-drop ending and the punk eick version of the Bear and the Maiden Fair.
John's death or rebirth was a pivotal moment in the show. He either should have remained dead and somthing develop from it or come back and something come of it. Nothing ever came of it. His death was inconsequential to the story. This is when GOT lost its way.
The only thing that it accomplished is that it made Jon able to leave the Night's Watch without being branded a deserter and thus go after Ramsay etc. If that will be true in the books as well, I've gotta say I will be very disappointed.
Jon should have came back different. More cold and ruthless, even dishonourable to a degree. Beric put it plainly when he said each time he came back he left a piece of himself behind.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Definitely it would gave been cool to see his personality change. Like become a power hungry tyrant or a psychopathic killer. Instead he became submissive and neutered
@@Soulen1986 I wouldn't have wanted him to be power hungry or a psychopathic killer, but at least not the exact same Snow.
@@Soulen1986 I wouldn't want him to become that mad, but just a little more self serving and less honour bound.
For me the peak of the show was season 4 episode 10. Stannis saving Jon at the wall, Tyrion Killing Tywin. That awkwardly wholesome scene between Roose Bolton and Ramsey, Arya sailing away to Bravos, just so many beautiful and meaningful scenes that the rest of the show couldn’t live up to.
The peak? The show ended with season 4 episode 10.
Seasons 1-4 felt consistent and then it dropped off hard. GoT, as it grew more popular and ran out of source material, turned into a more generic fantasy show - and the absurd amounts of plot armor robbed the show of what made it so compelling. It no longer felt like anything could happen to really shake things up.
Arya’s stiry from season 5 onwards was dreadful. That scene with the faceless woman chasing after her like a T-1000 was corny as hell.
It didn't run out of source material, they just decided to stop using it because they thought they could do better.
I think "ran out of source material" has become our most common criticism to lob at D&D to explain their bad turn, but it seems a lot of it was really their own decisions to just cut, change, and not use book storylines anymore even when they were still there in abundance. Euron, Lady Stoneheart, Sansa in the Vale, Northern Conspiracy and Ramsey with Fake!Arya, Aegon, Arya's real training/Faceless arc, all of Dorne and Arianne & Quentyn, etc. Now we don't know the actual behind the scenes details, but my guess is the real first issue here was a souring of the relationship between Martin and D&D, which led to them going separate ways and D&D deciding to essentially even stop trying to adapt the books anymore & just write it as original (not-great quality) TV pretty early on.
Agreed. I loved her character season 1-4 and loathed her character season 5-7. I did by even bother to watch season 8.
That’s because they ran GRRM off after season 4. They only wanted to do 7 seasons, Martin and HBO wanted 12-13. Martin knew they were going to butcher the story so he left. According to rumor, D&D took shots at GRRM, with the arrogant Playright in Arya’s Bravos arch, basically it was supposed to be GRRM. That pissed GRRM off and he refused to finish the book, or give D&D anymore material about the end.
@@AstraLuna-o9iHe destroyed his own legacy too in the process. Honestly, dnd suck, but Ive always felt that The War of 5 Kings was enough of a story. It seems like the Dance of Dragons and Others Invasion is just too much extra padding that not as many people care about. The best characters are dead or aimless after Book 3. Grrm shouldve taken the hint, I think, where if even your adapters hate what comes next maybe you dropped the ball
I love how I can drop everything to listen to you guys talk Game of Thrones
Season 5's high sparrow plot was terrible though. It felt so unrealistic the sparrows would be able to get away with so much without being put in their place by the crown
I am a sucker for Jonathon Pryce. I did also think they needed a bit more to establish how they weren't just killed in their sleep by the King's Guard/Mountain (pre or post Zombie)
For me, the show peaked with the rollercoaster that was the end of season 4. In many ways, the corresponding book part (end of Sos) has been the best part of the books so far - it's all the paypoffs from three books being thrown at you in rapid succession.
Kind of a weird comment, but I think the peak of GoT was the final shot of season 4, episode 1. Arya and the Hound leaving the tavern where they just had an epic brawl. Arya just got Needle back and a horse of her own. They ride off "into the sunset" but all of the scenery in the countryside around them is either on fire or already burned up. The series quality began its steady decline right after this IMO.
It still bothers me that the narrative is still "it got bad in the final season" (although I can remember people starting to say it while season 7 was airing) when you could see how the overall narrative of the show really degraded starting with season 5, thus that lamesauce ending was always going to happen.
I wouldn't even call it steady. It was hit started sliding down a hill for half of season 5, and then went almost vertical in season 6. Then it was in freefall for the last two. I wasn't even interested in Season 7 and didn't bother with season 8.
@@Kaboomboo I think season 6 was better than season 5 give it some credit
even though it was definitely deteriorating, and getting stupider, they still could have wrapped it up in a satisfying way. as stupid as season 7 was, it at least put the characters in a cool place to put out an entertaining final season. they couldn't have ever solved some of the problems from these seasons but there were so many other ways they could have ended it in a satisfying and sensical way.
yes. because that was the actual moment the Hound was supposed to almost die in the fight with Rorge and Biter. but they wanted to keep Arya and the Hound together for the whole season to give us the fan service fight with Brienne and the real Hound which was ok but still clear fan service. then they had them travel to the Eyrie and get to the gates when Sansa was in the castle, just to have them get told Lysa died for Arya to have her "traumatic laugh" moment, then they just turn around and leave instead of trying to get in the castle and see Sansa. made no sense why they would just walk away without trying to get in
Season 5-8 are kooked
Going back it always shocks me that on the show Kevan Lannister is also killed in the sept of Baelor explosion
His actor had a great presence, so we remember him, but going back he was never given any good dialogue.
"George RR Martin has only killed off 1 major POV character", Catelyn is, for all intents and purposes, dead
Undead. Ned is the only one so far until Winds confirms Jon & or Quentyn.
For all intents and purposes she is butchering Freys and playing a major part in the upcoming story. Her intents are revenge on the houses that wronged her family and her purposes in the story are plentiful.
So this is just not true.
I can't believe yall talked about character deaths for 10 minutes and didn't mention tywin once 😂😂😂
How was Joffrey's death not brought up when talking about significant deaths post-red wedding?
Guess they kinda forgot.
I think they were focusing on POV chapter characters, that doesn't include Joffrey or Robb.
GoT seasons 1-4 are excellent
5-8 gets worse and worse
Season 5 pretty much sucked for me. It's like they didn't have material anymore. And the two threats The Sons of the Harpies and the Faith Militants were boring. I don't understand how Carmine view the fall of Stannis as being "good". This whole storyline was bad. He went from having a huge army when he attacked the Wildlings to having a bunch of dudes with no horses. Didn't seem realistic. I don't disagree at the show peaking at the Red Wedding but there were many great stuff in Season 4 as well. Like the trial of Tyrion, the death of Tywin, Watchers on the Wall, the Mountain and the Viper, Mockingbird, etc...
Season 5 was by far the downfall. They changed Stannis entirely. He went from "Half my army is non-believers. No burnings" and "If I die you will make my daughter queen or die doing so" to burning his daughter cause of a snow storm.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Yep. Stannis was completely nonsensical. In the books he is this great stategist and he's not all in on the Lord of Light stuff.
The truth is they didn't run out of material. D&D just wanted to write their own AFFC and ADWD because they knew the books + Winds and Dream couldn't fit in 7 seasons.
@@Wallace43266 exactly
Besides all the anger about the show going down hill the last few seasons, I have a feeling that everybody forgets about the stunning and epic soundtrack which is playing in the background in "the long night" just before the Night King gets stabbed like an afk player in a video game.
That soundtrack was by all means the peak and a worthy, rightful ending song for the big showdown. If they only would have created an acceptable outcome of the huge battle and an actual well written end of the night King by referring to ALL THOSE hints and foreshadowing.... Cuz the music alone gave me some heavy goosebumps! Amazing work. It all could have been so legendary and fun to re-watch over and over... I just hate everything while I am thinking about this.
Each episode of Season 8 had wonderful cinematic value, like soundtracks. Even the overly dark Long Night opening battle was riveting in the moment. I found myself "enjoying" every single episode....then as I mulled it over after the episode ended all of the mistakes and dialogue and plot contrivances would come crashing down. Every episode went from "I can't hardly wait" ... "Wow that is heartstopping"....."Well, crap, that doesn't make any sense". Brutal.
Yeah, never once did I think Jon Snow was truly dead.
Edit: Back after a year and after a rewatch. Season 5 isn't good. It's okay, but the problems really start to show. The s'x and violence were some of the best parts of GOT. Shows are getting more and more watered down and I think those scenes bring a gritty realism to the show that modern shows are scared to do anymore because the social climate.
I think it also had something to do with how his death was filmed. They kept the camera lingering on him a bit too much. It was too obvious. If you look at other deaths of important characters, you never see Ned or Stannis after they're killed.
After the red wedding; Joffreys death, Hold the door, The mountain & the viper, Tywins death; the battle of the wall. Season 4 and small parts of season 5 were FIRE.
Jon Snow killing the deserters and just missing Bran is when i was like oh no we have problems s4 ep 4
Season 5 had like 3 good episodes and a few good moments apart from that. Nowhere near enough to salvage it.
I truly enjoyed this conversation. There have been other series finales for shows that were disappointing, lackluster or just sucked. Not the first or last time for that to happen. I’m glad you didn’t waste time on it☮️
Honestly i am unable to rewatch anymore since s8... I used to rewatch all the time.. but not even a single episode since that dark day.
I have watched every episode once since the series ended. On the plus side I could distance myself from the hot mess of seasons 7 and especially 8 because I already knew how bad they were. On the negative side it killed most of my love and fondness for the seasons and episodes that were actually good. They were alright, but it was difficult to get into them knowing what was coming.
Rewatching the show must really hurt Stannermen the most. Stannis literally was not given any decent, extensive dialogue or character arc from his very introduction in S2. When the show was supposed to be good and all that.
@@Wallace43266 D&D never understood Stannis, even they admitted as much.
@@wulfrache Very true. I find more enjoyment re-reading Davos chapters, than watching Stannis in the show. Spent a few hours this morning reading about the whole Edric Storm arc
The show and books decline sharply after Tywin is killed and Tyrion flees king's landing.
It feels like George reached the end of the story he had a mind and everything after that is him grasping at ideas.
I wasn't surprised when the show lost its way.
I couldn't stand Tyrion's character after he escaped King's Landing. It was like he lost half his brain during the ship journey, or maybe even all of it. It was so painful to watch D & D butcher most characters with their abysmal writing skills.
He literally wastes a whole season joking around with Greyworm. Like really, thats what all his buildup was for? I think he ought to be the devil on dannys shoulder egging on her destruction, then either die as the monster they (kings landing) made him or have a last second "what have i done" moment vefore redeeming himself in some way. They just couldnt risk "ruining" the main character by taking his arc to its logical endpoint. I think they were afraid both him and danny "breaking bad" would alienate Middle America or something
To tell the truth, even in S4 the show began to seriously suffer. Some of the most egregious was the Tysha plot, the failure to kill Balon Greyjoy in S4, the nonsensical Asha rescue, and Stannis burning his Bannermen alive for being "infidels" in an episode written by GRRM lol
I think you’re both wrong; GoT peaked in season 4, specifically Tyrion’s trial & the aftermath. Season 1 was the best adapted though
The Red Wedding was peak GOT cultural relevance, but I think GOT jumped the shark quality wise at the Battle of Castle Black. The unfortunate truth is, Dave and Dan shit the bed once they ran out of books and were on their own, which almost spoiled the whole IP. I don't expect much of their story will make it into the books, which should warrant a reshoot in about a decade.
It didn't run out of source material, they just decided to stop using it because they thought they could do better.
Nah, in terms of cultural relevance GoT just got bigger and bigger the whole time it was on TV. I realized this when all the normies at my job were talking about the show at work during season 7. As for the remake in a decade, that relies on George actually finishing the books and HBO not completely over-saturating the market with spin offs and shit until people are burned out on the IP. Also, I’m kinda skeptical a modern adaptation of ASoIaF would come close to being as good as the first four seasons of the original show.
@@Gum_CuzzlerEventually, when George is long buried, we may see a modern day Peter Jackson try and redo ASOIAF. Or else see an animated version is like 5 years
"I think it's kind of ridiculous that we live in a society where it's OK for children to watch violence but it's not OK for them to watch sex".
Christianity... the gift that just keeps giving.
I think Oberyn's sex scenes made sense, they established the character's personality and preferences, even if that did not have a big importance in the story. So I think those scenes are fine. What is unnecessary is to have sex workers in the background of a political conversation
100 percent agree with Preston that season was the absolute peak. In terms of rewatchability, there is hardly a scene that you have to skip. Subversion of expectation, great acting, fantastic build up and pacing throughout etc. The only thing that season 1 is missing is a great battle sequence.
Game of Thrones gave us the term “sexposition”
The red wedding is why I started watching the show. Made me realize h.b.o. was gonna actually do the books.
Annnd thennnn
Peaked with Season 5? Good grief.
I do like season 1 because it is so book accurate, season 2 it starts to do it's own thing and yes. After season 5 it is it's own thing entirely.
Jon Snow never returning as a POV character would be a great idea! Because then the reader won't know exactly how it has changed him, what's his motives afterwards? Is he actually alive or is he just being controlled by some other entity? Is he himself but lost something, like Beric Dondarrion? I would make for a very interesting mystical thing to ponder on.
I forget Preston is my age so he knows about the Squiggly line porn channels back in the day 🤣🤣🤣
It was fun before when everyone was trying to connect the mysteries of the show, then slowly faded, then just failed completely. The show has more to offer since it was a big world with mysterious stories in it. Like the Starks tomb, and other magic stuff.
Up to S4, the show was like watching a chess game and making sense of the moves. By S6, the rules no longer applied and pieces moved around to please morons for the sake of spectacle.
I just pretend it got canceled after season 5.
Bro this guy said peak GoT was season 5 and I stopped watching 🤣🤣
"You want a good adaptation but you need a bad TV show."
Season 4 had some issues but that's the peak. Hands down.
Sex is normal for humans to experience, nothing wrong at all to showing it with two or more characters doing it. That being said there was pretty only sexual nudity in the show, they should have had non-sexual nudity that was casual and pretty normal for the time the period was based on.
I have a feeling that the lukewarm reception of S5 convinced D&D that their audience was not worth offering lessons to. They dumbed down massively and raised the spectacle level after observing that the mass success of the show was made by violence and emotional shock only. They pumped up Daenerys and Jon to bloated heroes because they saw that's what the TV audience wanted.
Got dropped quality after season 4 but it was still really entertaining and my suspension of disbelief was held in tact until the end of s7 when they went beyond the wall. There were decisions made after season 4 I disagreed with but it was still good, when they went to capture a Wight to bring it back to kings landing? Wtf is this. I like to watch up to around there then call it off and forget the rest happened.
That was the moment it was completely ruined for me too
As someone whose read the books I'll die on the hill that Robb marrying Talisa makes FAR more sense than him marrying the daughter of a Lannister bannerman, Robb's marriage in the books has to be one of the stupidest things EVER.
guess I'll throw up some of mine.
fall from grace where the early seasons were amazing.
the decent of characters to become flanderized and tropes
the whole prophecy had to point so the more they push aegon and viserys from hotd the more laughable it becomes as Arya did it.
calling the targareans dany's ancestor somehow making her sound special when she only caused a near genocide
the hollow shell of story "subversion" where writers think doing the least interesting thing rather than story logic like the red wedding would impress anyone
can't think of more. guess bad warping of characters to different locations.
no sense of scale.
the horrible fan fic ending where everything would burn to the ground immediately with Sansa in charge same as bran being a literal big brother government knowing all the troubles already knows.
I'm here from the future and I'm here to tell you ppl still care about GOT, HOTD is killing it
I remember catching a nip between the squiggle lines on late night cable. a 1993 lifehack.
just what i needed before work
i feel bad for the children named after dany as their parents named them after the biggest tv show killer ever. better hope they got a middle name to fall back to.
Even if Daenerys had a good ending, it would still be pretty cringe for someone to name their baby off of a fantasy character with a name like Daenerys lol
The CEO of the company I work for named his daughter Daenerys hahah
You can give them a second name. Like Daenerys Seasonone
@@Spongebrain97 some people named thier kids after video game and movie characters too. People can be strange sometimes
@@OfficialRedTeamReview oh that's almost as bad as kaleesi
For me the running joke was how I got into the show when season 6 ended and told other people to watch it who in turn also got disappointed by the ending lmao. Tbh because of how far the show went away from the books, they probably just should've gone with the safe ending of Jon being the reluctant king and Daenerys either dies as hero or reigns alongside Jon. I wouldn't have been offended at that just because the book ending is going to be so different
George told D&D the story ends with Daenerys going mad and Bran becoming King. D&D just had no idea how to get from Point A (End of Books) to Point B (George's ending) without it being a complete mess.
That would have been a great ending too, but if it's still written like shit then it would still be bad.
@@Wallyworld30 he definitely did not tell them about Danny, they said they got three wtf moments from him.
Bran being King, Hodor, and Shireen.
No mention of Danny. Ever.
@@MC-el2us I’m honestly not convinced towards the end of the shows run Martin wasn’t feeding D & D suspect plot points just to see how the audience would react to them. Honestly, George doesn’t get enough of the blame for how Game of Thrones turned out. Dude had four years from the start of the show to wrap up his series (and if he was serious about finishing Winds that probably should have been released when the show started) but instead fucked around, basking in his newfound fame and then completely abandoned GoT when he realized the show was being streamlined for TV and wasn’t going to follow his books exactly (which I remind you, were not even finished). While D & D do deserve a lot of the flack for the shitty, rushed ending to the show they probably thought they were signing on to adapt a series, not finish one for its creator cause he either doesn’t care to or doesn’t know how to. If he didn’t care about how the show turned out why should they?
I lost my shit when Preston was talking about the squiggly lines on the playboy channel. Anyone under 40 won’t get it but I have been there
Honestly every sex scene from the first 5 seasons was better written, directed and had more plot than seasons 7 and 8 scenes.
Season 5 cannot be peak because even though that season had great moments they fucked up too much of the season for it to even be good. After season 4, the show ceased to be good and instead just had good to great moments or even great episodes.
The use of sexploitation/sexposition was time that could of been better used filling out Dany's heel turn and more of a protracted climax to the conflict with the white walkers
I think that scene with Littlefinger talking to Ros while she has her job interview with another woman was pretty good. It showed how detached he is not only from people but even from his situation, useful for a manipulator, and it also showed how smart Ros was, she got the job and managed to make him reveal things about himself without him even noticing.
I saw the sex there just as a layer of distraction that both Ros and Littlefinger are shown to be able to work with and around.
Arya pulling a reverse "Scott Tennerman" is gross and all but I wouldn't say it's the most violent thing she did in the show because all the graphic parts were off camera. We never got to see her bake those pies!
Or learn the recipes...Gordon Ramsay needed a MAJOR cameo!
The show peaked at Obeyn's duel with the Mountain and it started going downhill fast right after Tywin died. It just never felt the same, I don't know why.
The first exposure I ever had to ASOIAF and GOT is after hearing about something called the "Red Wedding" and the fact it had broken Reddit for a few days and was being mentioned on TV. I thought I'd give it a go and within 2 episodes of season 1 I was hooked. After watching the red wedding is when I started the books
Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy is the gold standard for an adaptation over Season 1 of GOT.
Nah GoT s1-4 are miles better than any lotr movie lol
Yeah, i am not donating any attention or money to prequels and side stories until I have WoW in my hot little hands. The IP is definitely soured for me.
Modern studies have shown that violence sells better than sex. That is why you see 70s, 80s, 90s movies with gratuitous nudity and rape quite often while in later decades (00's, 10's, 20's) you are much more likely to see gratuitous violence rather than gratuitous nudity, at least in cinema/feature length films. Modern data science has shown that violence sells better or at least is believed to sell better, so it in generally emphasized more than sex and nudity now.
If u hit the channel over and over really fast, the squiggles would clear up a little lol
Daenerys showing herself naked before Dario was a power play. So, it was kinda necessary.
Are you saying that Catelyn doesn't count because of Lady Stoneheart? I still think it plays well as the death of a POV character, but resurrection does tend to ruin a good death.
wait, if the choice is boobs or no boobs. I choose boobs
Thoughts on your closing remarks now it's a year later and HOTD is pretty good?
I still don't get how you can defend the Stannis stuff man, his death is so nonsensical and silly. The fact that you have this hardened military literally just walk up to a castle the size of Winterfell with just infantry and no siege weapons doesn't make sense in the slightest. How could they possibly take a castle with no siege weapons, were they just going to throw snow balls above the walls? You can just tell he was written off of the show in favor of Jon's plot and they didn't even bother to put any care or forethought into it. The way they handled that character was downright disrespectful and it's no wonder Stephen Dillane had no idea what the fuck the point of his story was, because there wasn't one. If you enjoyed it Carmine, I guess good for you but there's no denying that if they included even just a little bit of book material it not only would have made more sense but also made for much better television.
GRRM *did* have a death-by-snow-balls plot element,
but it involved Tywin ordering Shai to drown Tyrion after oral.
@@DFWNites lol okay
Sex and violence is great
Agreed, personally I don’t like macabre extremely graphíc víolence but other than that I agree.
Jon’s arc starts going downhill the moment he chases after Ygritte and it diverges from the book material. He doesn’t have “epic” sword fights with wildlings etc.
Naw the expanse is the gold standard for Book to Show adaptation ever.
Despite all the changes in the series they never stray from the general plot of the books, and characters that are deleted are *replaced* with characters that already exist unlike in GoT where they just cease to exist.
I would like these to be video chats sometimes, because I want to see your cat, Carmine! Also... I might rewatch GoT like, 10 years from now. Or never. Rewatchability went down the drain for me with Season 8. It was shaky beforehand, but S8 sunk it. I'm amazed I'm able to tolerate having my nose rubbed in Westerosi misogyny again in HotD. That's speaking as a woman whose nose is rubbed in sexism and misogyny daily in the real world. I get that the showrunner is trying to show the wrongness of it, but as a woman I already know it's wrong and it pisses me off having to delve in it in my fantasy shows, too. Worst thing about it is if I and other women stop watching, HBO/WB/Discovery suits are gonna conclude "Women just don't like fantasy dramas" which is profoundly incorrect.
Is it profoundly incorrect though? What is misogynistic about the show? It's quite the opposite, we're being smacked in the face with the modern feminist BS, in every show on TV. Like 90 lb models being fierce warriors that beat men into submission, or a woman leading an army of penisless men that blindly serve her and will fall on their sword if asked. They had to give her dragons for "power" or it would be completely unbelievable. Or that men are incompetent even though we conquered, tamed and built this comfortable world that you can sit in the safe comfortability of your own home and complain about trivial things, never really hurting for anything, and if you're ever in danger you can call a toxically masculine man with a gun to save you, only to complain about misogyny in a TH-cam comment section. Wow, what a world we live in today, lol.
@@jski718 Lol, take your misogynist grievance rant elsewhere, champ. Not only did you not understand a thing I said but you misjudged me for a friendly place to air these dark thoughts. I didn't say the SHOW is misogynist. I said IT PORTRAYS misogyny in such a way that it's torturous to watch for a woman. I'm tired of stories where women are barred from power simply because they are women. Like Rhaenyra and Rhaenys. Aemma being killed for the sake of a male heir. While at the same time, violence is perpetrated against women IRL. We need better stories, or people like you are gonna start confusing this and The Handmaid's Tale for fkn how-to manuals, not cautionary history.
@@jski718 If you don't like these shows, why tf are you DEEP in the comments section of a commentary channel ranting about them, lololololololololololololololol! Well, I'm glad you've found a way to waste your own time.
@@SilverScale. I love the shows. Don't think they're misogynistic at all. You're just ignorant.
24:30 "GRRM killed off one PoV character, and that's Ned..."
And Catelyn
Preston you brought me back to the good ole days of squiggly Cinemax channel
Preston: "we live in a society"
Me: "aight time to head out"
Here's a different perspective, the show never peaked, the show writing did. The plot was great at its core, it was just very poor execution.
The Hound and Bronn’s chin-popping scene was my first big red flag moment.
The most harsh reality is that you know that season 8 will always be just over that horizon.
Sad to say I'm A squiggly line veteran.
Am I the only one thinking that for a couple of seasons it seemed like D&D thought the ultimate expression of female empowerment was for a woman to stand up in a bathtub and, I don't know, be naked at a man? I mean, Brienne did it with Jaime, Dany did it with Dario... just stand up in a bathtub and they bend to your will, I guess?
Yea what we learned about all the violence from Arya? That "she's badass". lol It seems like that was the whole point of her trip of Essos. Felt like they went into something in that storyline but then got tired of it and then went alright Arya played Jaqen. The End.
It peaked season 3. I'm half way through Dance and everybody needs therapy at this point. 😅
George has killed 2 major POV characters, Ned and Catelyn.
Well, Catelyn is kind of iffy though.
So Cat isn't a major pov char?
Ya can’t rewatch the first four good seasons without confronting the shitstorm that are seasons 5-8
Thankfully HotD isn’t Game of Thrones
Preston, you need a new mic or something, there's always this tinny background noise on your track
Agree with Preston - season 1 was the peak
It’s totally fine to rewatch it… as long as Charles Dance is in the episode. 😉
Why the fuck did I get an un skippable 5s ad that just said “you are bugs“
I think the shows best season was season 4 I loved season 2 and 3. Season 1 is obviously a classic for sure anything after season 4 is bad
I am one of those who didn't watch Revenge of the Sith nor Episode 9, neither I EVER watched any part of the Hobbit. But I AM watching Hot Dee, I know there's a good story there that can be told. Now, as many fans I go in with some hope but also willing to admit of it might be Hot Garbage instead. Some hits, some misses so far... we'll make a better judgement at the end of the season.