This brings me so much nostalgia. I remember when this was new, and I memorized both decks, because I loved the concept. My favorite tavern brawls by far were this one and Rafaam vs. Kel'Thuzad. And this is the first comment in over 4 years on this video. May all who sort by 'newest first' see this.
Ophiussa play vaelastrasz, he plays living lava and stalls a turn, then he places living bomb and wipes your board, and you've got no cards. bye you lose as nef
Mirza Ajanovic I think if you reduce the charges on his weapon by 1 or 2, it'll be more balanced. Overpowered hero ability sooner would make it better.
Mirza Ajanovic If it had windfury and 8 durability, that would be great. You could kill corrupters in one turn, or two whelps, and of course your hero power would be online in 4 turns. Another thing that could help the matchup would be if there were more moltens, maybe a couple taunt givers, and honestly Rag should have shadowflame, not Nef. I think that Nefarian should not have bite or shadowflame, and should have to rely on his hero power for removal and AOE, which in my experience he usually gets anyway.
I'm apparently a nobody who actually want pre built decks. I thought this was a really fun challenge and I look forward to more boss decks. I am still looking forward to building weird decks but I really hope we get some pre-built ones as well.
I feel better when wining with ragnaros because I feel like, " in your face nefarian!!!!!", but nefarian is fun because wins are usually easier and the wild magic makes for fun possibilities
Not Ken The first tavern brawl was ALL about the RNG. I once got the following cards in this exact order (from Nef's hero power): Moonfire (which turned out to be stupid since Rag did not play his 5/1s), Silence, Sense Demons, Feign Death and Preparation. So yeah, it's not as good as you think, it's just as lucky as you've experienced.
I like pre-made decks. It means that I can play on an equal level with my opponent. Average card collections are absolutely crushed by fantastic card collection.
premade special created decks creates some new fun strategies. I am prob. in the minority that dislikes the choose 1,2, and 3 decks, the webspinners, and unstable portals
*{S}*Dragon which all cost 9 mana each so by the time you have even 1 up and running the enemy will have a board full of (potentially) 7, 8 and 9 drops
Sameo1000 Or he has a board full of useless 1, 2 and 3 drops, because there are way more minions with low mana cost and also a bunch of useless high drops. With Webspinner you got a much higher chance of getting a good card like Malorne, Gahz'rilla or King Krush because there are only a few beasts.
What does it matter that it's 33/66 instead of 50/50 balance? I think it's kinda fun. It actually doesn't give anybody an advantage because everybody plays both. So although the match-up is unbalanced, the whole Ragnaros vs Nefarian game mode is not unbalanced.
A few things... the Rag deck is garbage in comparison however, if the deck makes it to late game and locks you to one minion the Nef deck gets fucked. Secondly why does brawl have a win counter when there is nothing to be gained from playing any amount of games or any amount of wins.
Dat Harass Nef is weird though, rag has an advantage if you get real unlucky and don't get the cards to deal with him early, but because you actually are getting two cards every turn and the spells can be really powerful, he still has some punch late game whereas Rag can basically only win if the game goes late
Dat Harass The win counter is used for your matchmaking. You're paired against other players with close to an equal number of wins, if one is available. Beyond that there will most likely be quests later based on a number of wins greater than one.
I enjoy this format a lot. At the beginning I conceded with Rag, but now I actually enjoy playing him more than Nef. I needed to understand how to play the deck effectively. I hope we can play this matchup again in the future.
Rag vs Nefarian is balanced. It's just balanced for Nefarian to win 66.6% of the time. But I actually like that! It's like a challenge to win with Rag. And you feel really good when you do. This is the point of Tavern Brawl. But I agree, non-premade decks would be more fun. Especially if they involve new cards.
Hmm, I just thought of a fun brawl mode I'd love. I LOVE RNG, but what if one week, the tavern brawl included no RNG outside of card draw? It would take a lot of programming, but it would be really awesome. If your piloted shredder dies, you pick the 2-drop result. Play a madder bomber and you get to choose the target for each bomb. Nat Pagle will always draw a card unless you deactivate him. Lightning storm will always do maximum damage unless you click to allow RNG. Sylvanis's deathrattle steals the card you want most. Deadly shot is targetable. Possibly to even things up slightly, this brawl type would put a deck limit of 1 unstable portal, 1 webspinner, and give Sneed's 5 overload.
So here is a question, which Adventure/Brawl only card do you think should be released with the standard card set? For me I like the worshiper from Nax. I would say for 2nd place the Deathcharger because it is a Zoo card that punishes for poor aggressive play but agro is so strong right now they don't need any more cards.
@ kripparian i notice that you have an auto focus issue with you webcam. The camera thinks the Chinese wall is your face because of the exposure values in the image. If you put something dark and non-reflective piece of cloth over the top corner of that Chinese wall, the camera will be able to find your eyes and focus on them.
Nice to see a youtuber making the right statement. If played correctly you win every single game with Nef. I only played this Brawl once, I don't want to be on the recieving end on that. Doesn't seem to be fun.
two games played. both times I was Ragnaros. First game the Nef trounced the crap out of me. I think I did one damage to his armor. The second game I got Rag, I was thinking about conceding but I got a way way better start than the nefarian and once you get your weapon spent, the game turns in your favor so hard that it becomes hard more for nefarian to win.
You didn't mention it, but Rend Blackhand is probably worth keeping in your Nef hand. Ragnaros doesn't play many legendaries, but you do, and one of the few things Ragnaros can do to stall you is living bomb. By killing your own legendary you can keep momentum and close what is probably already an easy game.
The problem with the web spinner unstable portal decks is that the opponent could just leave the web spinners. While the unstable portal deck could cast the spell and get a minion ready. While you would have to wait for your we spinners to die and activate death rattle. So if that match up happened. The unstable portal deck would win I reckon about 70-80% of the time
I have powers - not like totemic might but rather the power of farsight: There is going to be a Brawl where one class has 10 hp, the other one has a lot of healing but very little damage with for instance smites/arcane shot as highest burst in it.
If Rag had 120 HP would he be more in line with Nefarian? He would be able to stall longer into the late game, allowing him to try to make a comeback. Also, if he had a cheap minion that dealt AOE, like a 4 mana 6/4 that dealt 6 damage to all enemy minions, would that be good?
Noxious made his 100 wins in Brawl yesterday and his win rate with Nef is 70\10 and with Rag is 37\31. Score counts EU + NA servers. This is just statistics but u can see which char is OpieOP.
I was almost about to lose a game as Nefarian. My opponent had a full board and i was down to 10 health and 1 card. Then i used my hero power and got a Twisting Nether for 0 mana. OpieOP
Kripp you have to understand that for davern brawl that for players who dont have that large of a card pool, playing cool card as in pre-made decks is a very cool experience. For free to play people who dont play that much have a very small deck and that brings kind over repeditive gamplay. So for me, Pre-made decks really would help bring the newer or not so frequint players into the game. Anyways that just my opion, love your videos, keep making them
Love the idea of Tavern Brawl, but Nef was far too powerful. Had some of the worst draws imaginable on my first game without a clue of what to expect and from Rag and still won thanks to a hero powered mind control. This was also a game where my full board "Open the gates" was Baron Geddoned and Rag had his 8 damage hero power for half the game.
Some things that gave me a fighting chance as Ragnaros would be: •Electron is your best friend, if Nefarian plays him you get free core hounds, flamehearts, etc. So try not to kill him unless you really need to. •Early on use your weapon plus Magma Rager to clear and create pressure on his minions, not his health later on you can hold on to that 15 health with flamestrikes, Coren, hero power, and Giants. •Lava Burst sucks, you need more mana on Rag and it only does 5 damage. •Save Coren til turn 9 or 8 plus coin, because Nefarian can easily remove him if you try to wait a turn to brawl. •Once you get your hero power try using it every turn it's way better than Lava Burst even if it's random. •If you can board clear the last few turns and you have card advantage it's GG unless he draws Pyroblast. These didn't guarantee me wins but it gave me pretty good chances to win and almost all games as Rag for me are close.
The game play seems to be in a lower video quality than the introduction, why is that? The intro is in 720p but as soon as the game play starts there is a noticeable drop in video quality. This happens in a lot of your videos.
Tbh I like playing Rag. I like the uphill battle sort of feel. It makes winning all the more rewarding. I got a Nefarian to surrender just now. It was glorious.
Question, what would happen if you played the ironbrew guy, but it gets copied on nefarians side with something like mirror entity, then play a brawl... would both survive?
I think there are few key things that could have made the Rag deck better which you didn't mention. One is changing many of the cards which activate "at beginning of turn" to activate "at the end of turn". All of the minions which have beginning of turn mechanics are effortlessly killed by Nef. So the card trade is just about always horrible. Also. Nef needs some reasonably powerful cards in their deck which can destroy rag's weapon early. Harrison Jones sort of mechanics. Right now there are very little downsides for Nef to just keep the board clear. If Rag's minions had powerful deathrattles this somewhat keep everything a bit more balanced.
The only way i've been able to win with Rag is to have his taunt cards at the beginning and use his board clearing spells. Other than that it seems impossible.
I think it was fine. I was just happy that it was free. That's the most important thing. And, I really think lvl 20 is totally negligable. Enough to say you went through the tutorial.
i kinda loved the fact that they did prebuild decks because i literally have like no good cards that arnt basic cus my packs have royally screwed me soo having a prebuild deck was amazingly fun time
I think the reason why they require a level 20 class is the fact that tavern brawl IS free. You're not going to make any money off people freeloading the entertainment value.
The Blue Shell Also, if total noobs first timing the game did come in to tavern brawl and went against expierienced players, it would be unfair - it ensures that they have at least a basic understanding of the game with a bit of expierience with advanced mechanics too.
In some twisted way, TB is basically a set up for constructed in a way that challenges Rag players. Imagine Nefarian as a rush deck whose always drawing and putting down cards. Imagine Rag as a control deck where you have to survive in order to come out on top. If you can survive the onslaught then the chances of winning are higher. It's a pain in the ass to try and win with Rag, but the feeling of crushing your opponent is like none other.
Corsair Joshua There is a Legendary card with similar stats and the same ability. If Drakonid Slayer was made a regular card, then the Foe Reaper would be replaced in an instant.
Zane P. Yeah I know about Foe Reaper but it's like a Mech vs a Dragon version. I think it'd be cool to have. 2 mana for 3 health and a "better" tribe? Still seems like Foe Reaper has his advantages!
Dogofdoom mech tag costs exactly 0, while the dragon tag costs 0.5/1 Even if you removed the mech tags on most of the current mechs they would still be played because they're strong anyway, only mech support cards would see less play. Buff all dragon cards by reducing their cost by 1 and more people would be playing them, because now they would actually be worth playing outside of niche gimmick decks.
The level 20 cap is really stupid. I wanted to play Tavern Brawl with my SO (she doesn't play a lot and is quite new to the game, so I thought this would be a fun way to play where she actually has cards that aren't junk), but we can't because she doesn't have a level 20 hero. This wouldn't be as big a deal if it weren't for the time limit. There's only about 2 days left before this is gone, so we're going to end up missing out.
I wanna see a Tavern Brawl where all the decks that we're so OP they were nerfed face off against eachother WITH THEIR PRENERF forms to see which one was actually more broken. For instance Miracle Rogue, Spell Power Druid, Freeze Mage, Deathrattle Hunter.
In the list of rag's deck you've typed 2x Living Lava but actually once I got 3 of them in the first hand.I dont know if its a bug cause I insta surrended and I saw my hand after the concede, but u know that was kinda strange.
I prefer Rag as Nef since Rag is control. If you hold the Nef early and destroy your weapon quicky, the game became yours if you are stable. Nef is easier to play, but more RNJesus dependent with his hero power than Rag, even if his hero power is random, 8 damage cleans always some board if not face. :3
Maybe this Rag vs Nef is a test of Control/Midrange vs Zoo/Agro to see how make a meta where you aren't forced to play aggresive or combo decks to win.
What about a tavern brawl where your hero power is changed with another class? Either randomly or in deck building, so you can get new and weird decks (i.e. control hunter)
I am 6 - 1 with Rag and 5 - 1 with Nefarian. It doesn't seem unbalanced at all to me. As a Rag, you just need to have some stall (Living Bomb, Lucifron) to survive with enough life until you get rid of Sulfuras and then you win.
I can already imagine everyone sticking Dr Boom + BGH+ all op cards from normal ladder. Letting people making their own decks would again mean that people with better cards would get better results. (same as on ladder and arena generally speaking) I think brawl is ok , it's something different than making your own deck. You don't like playing ladder(same as me ) because of the same decks over and over. Do you think that 10 obligatory cards you have to stick in your deck would then change this format vs ladder much?
I have about the same experience with the two boss heroes. I've played a bunch of games, and only lost one with nef, but my RNG was horrible. I wild magiced a feign death, totemic might and a spell bender all in a row, and still only lost to golemeg with my opponent at 3 hp. Rag I've lost at least half my games.
Ive played Nefarian twice. So far ive gotten 4 counterspells, 1 spellbender, 2 noble sacrefice and 2 inenrvates... (Only mentioning the bad cards), and the only time i had Chromaggus on the board, i drew "Open the gates" twice in a row...
I don't get why Blizzard did premade decks. They know for a fact that premade decks aren't very attractive and/or fun, because of the hero challenges in solo adventures. They basically just made an extra hero challenge. It's cool, but it's not what we were promised.
E_M_E_T I think it might be a way for new players to have a way of playing correctly without having to pay, both because their collection won't matter and because they get packs out of it.
i once got pyroblast fireball soulfire and the paaldin card that doubles a mininos attack the warlock card that kills all minions and the spell botthing and oneshot that ragfag at 50 hp
I know we were all hoping for some crazy deckbuilding opportunities but this makes sense as an opening brawl, I think they were going for something big and memorable and the two main bosses from the last adventure duking it out with blatantly broken decks is that thing. A week passes in a blink anyway, stop whining and just enjoy the awesome ride.
I had no trouble winning with Rag when I got him. If Nefarian doesn't kill you before turn 10 you'll find Ragnaros' cards curve MUCH better than Nefarian's meaning you can play more each turn while Nefarian still does not have a creature costing under 4 mana. And at that point Rag's hero power is usually killing whatever he plays instantly because Nefarian has NO card draw and can't develop a board as quickly as Rag can past turn 7 or 8
Kripp, i think deadly poison is sligthly better than tree of life and Feign death, because you have 30, rag has 60, no minions with deathrattles... AND you can get muster for battle (I already play 9 games with nefarian, and one of them i got twice, deadly poison + muster for battle)
I played lots and only lost as Nefarian twice. Once I lost because I had horrific rng, I died with 4 free spells in hand that were completely useless. The other time I lost was because the one of my first free spells was shadowform. Once I stopped laughing I figured "I'm doing this for fun...SHADOWNEFARIAN! " and it was a dismal failure. The 2dmg was *occassionally* useful. But was mostl it was for the lolz. He got the special shadowy effect over my nefarian picture. Should've screen shot it.
Oh man sorry to tell you you are wrong it is quite usefull to control the board...using the imp and then. The hero power you can easily win nefarian taking the control of the board... I'm about to reach 50 wins ón tavern brawl most wins by ragnarok...
Hey guys general Question: Is there any viable substitute for Jaraxxus/Alex in Handlock ? I have enough Dust for the giants but if it doesn't work , I'd rather get rag
Der Nesor Assuming you want a non-legendary replacement, then no. You can try putting in a Floating Watcher/ Dread Infernal if you're running the Void Callers, but nothing replaces Jaraxxus since he's so unique.
lkjkhfggd Well my Legendarys are only Dr.Balanced, Sylvanas, Ysera, Nozdormu, Malygos, Illidan, sneeds and Naxx/Blackrocks.... soooo I need an extra 1600 dust ^^
With the 30x Webspinner vs the 30x Unstable portal, I feel that matchup favours the mage far too heavily. The game would look something like this (Mage going first) :- Turn 1: Mage Passes, Hunter plays Spinner Turn 2: Mage Plays UP + maybe plays 1/2/3 drop if pulled, Hunter summons 2 webspinners and attacks either face or minion if dropped. Turn 3: Mage plays UP or Plays larger minion from turn before (up to 6 mana), Hunter plays 3x webspinner or plays 1 and hero powers and attacks with other 2. Assuming the webspinner died last turn, the hunter has a beast in his hand which could be anything from a 1/1 boar to Savannah Highmane to King Krush. HOWEVER, since those cards are still full mana cost (1, 6 and 9 respectively) the mage has plenty of time to gain advantage with the 3 mana cost reduction from unstable portal. Hell, the mage itself could draw Highmane for 3 or Krush for 6 mana themselves. As the hunter player you wouldn't really want to play the boar either unless you were going full aggro because the only difference between the boar and spinner is the charge. However if the mage is smart, they won't attack the spinners in the first place, forcing the hunter to trade to get their beasts in hand rather than having a board of 1/1s. Having looking through the list of cards that webspinner can pull, the best card under 6 mana is King Mukla and the only card that is close under 6 mana is Emperor Cobra. Krush, Gahz'rilla, Malorne, Maexxna, Highmane and The Beast are all 6 or more mana. Also bare in mind that the Mage could potentially pull any of these cards for 3 mana less than the hunter did without having to wait for a deathrattle to obtain them in the first place. A webspinner hitting the mage for 1 damage seems a great use of the mages health resource over pinging it off for 2 mana and giving the hunter a beast.
i feel like there's a lot more balance than it initially seems, however the rag deck is SUPER skill intensive and for a format that's only out for a week, it's too difficult to pick up. Nefarian is not only slightly stronger than rag, he's also easy to play and starts with an obvious advantage (4 mana). I do enjoy the challenge of playing with rag, as i like the way his deck plays, but i do agree that there are balance and skill level issues.
With this particular tavern brawl one must realise it is very thematic. Note how rag has a weapon he uses form WOW and all his minions are fire based, similarly Nefarian has dragons because he himself is a badass dragon. Alot of this is paying homage to people who payed WOW its not strictly about balance it about banter
I played about 5 matches, and got Ragnaros every damned time. As soon as I won, I stopped that shit. He's so frustratingly bad, and the launch of Tavern Brawl was a huge let down, for me. I was too annoyed at it to even keep going until I could try Nefarian. Edit: Though, what made it all worth it, was my weekly pack containing a golden Ysera.
Yep, Rag is more powerful, you just have to know how to play him. Not understanding something doesn't make it bullshit, he has stronger cards and by the time he can use them Nefarion can't kill him. And Nefarion has to rely on RNG, from a very large pool in which most cards won't help him in specific situations. Those that will help him, probably still can't outvalue 2 mana 8 damage or Rag's stronger and cheaper cards. Even coin Vaelastrasz can't outright win most of the time, Rag's removal is insane. If you play it right.
Rush Caliber You just have to know how to get lucky? Your argument is flawed and meaningless. Try explaining each of their strengths to yourself, as an *actual* argument, and you will see the truth.
SoulerVids Yeah sure, if you get the perfect hand as Rag you have some great removal. But if you end up with a Flame Imp, Flamestrike and some other crap, then please tell me how you "outplay" his turn 1 Vael.
Rush Caliber You tried to say what I said could be applied to both, without understanding what I said. Therefore, meaningless. marcuslola You don't have to get a perfect hand, he has a ton of removal. Just do what you'd do in any other match, keep the useful cards and replace the rest. A turn 1 Vael is countered by two living bombs, the Corruption guy, the Mountain Giant and his big brother... He can't kill you by the time you have enough mana to defend, and his hand will be emptied quickly. The sooner he empties it, the more you can remove, and the safer your late game is.
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This brings me so much nostalgia. I remember when this was new, and I memorized both decks, because I loved the concept. My favorite tavern brawls by far were this one and Rafaam vs. Kel'Thuzad.
And this is the first comment in over 4 years on this video. May all who sort by 'newest first' see this.
A 4 mana 7/7? At least it's only in a tavern brawl. Those stats would be too OP in play mode and arena. :3
I'm assuming that's sarcasm. I'm just going over some of krips old videos.
@@mimic6494after 8 years where does your assumption lie
Turn 1 coin Vaelastrasz = GG
EDIT: Posted this before watching the game play... oh kripp we are soulmates *Kreygasm*
Ophiussa Coin Razorgore or whatever his name is and it's GG
Start at 6 mana is every Huntard dream
Ophiussa play vaelastrasz, he plays living lava and stalls a turn, then he places living bomb and wipes your board, and you've got no cards.
bye you lose as nef
***** Most of Nef's crap is above 5 hp...
***** Meh lucifron is still better
If sulfuras was 4/6 or if Rag started with like 3 mana, the match up would be balanced
Mirza Ajanovic I aggre, but the week is going to end :(
Mirza Ajanovic the 7 7 make your minions cost 3 less
thats broken as hell
Mirza Ajanovic I think if you reduce the charges on his weapon by 1 or 2, it'll be more balanced. Overpowered hero ability sooner would make it better.
Mirza Ajanovic If it had windfury and 8 durability, that would be great. You could kill corrupters in one turn, or two whelps, and of course your hero power would be online in 4 turns. Another thing that could help the matchup would be if there were more moltens, maybe a couple taunt givers, and honestly Rag should have shadowflame, not Nef. I think that Nefarian should not have bite or shadowflame, and should have to rely on his hero power for removal and AOE, which in my experience he usually gets anyway.
Mirza Ajanovic RAG is more op then Nef ..... why buff him more?
Reading comment section in 2016: where the fuck all the Kripparinos?
I'm apparently a nobody who actually want pre built decks. I thought this was a really fun challenge and I look forward to more boss decks.
I am still looking forward to building weird decks but I really hope we get some pre-built ones as well.
I actually think playing Rag is more fun than Nefarian
Woodsy2575 I agree, Ragnaros has the cooler cards.
Woodsy2575 I second that!
No
Woodsy2575 Meh, I have more fun with Nefarian due to the RNG nature (which may lead to hilarity) of his hero power.
I feel better when wining with ragnaros because I feel like, " in your face nefarian!!!!!", but nefarian is fun because wins are usually easier and the wild magic makes for fun possibilities
Nefarian's hero power is basically get a random spell, that deal damage and completely counter Ragnaros' board and hand.
Not Ken No it clearly is getting a Random Spell onto your hand that costs 0 which could be anything
Not Ken Yes because all spells deal damage right?
Dehumanized33 Atleast my RNG says so
Not Ken I once got two blade flurries in a row followed by feign death.
I still won, but just saying.
Not Ken The first tavern brawl was ALL about the RNG. I once got the following cards in this exact order (from Nef's hero power): Moonfire (which turned out to be stupid since Rag did not play his 5/1s), Silence, Sense Demons, Feign Death and Preparation. So yeah, it's not as good as you think, it's just as lucky as you've experienced.
In my first loss against Rag, I got Feign Death. 3 turns in a row.
Ok
screenshot or it didn't happened
Brian Vo Couldbe worse, I got Tree of Life twice in a row.
Jonny Harris I got beastial wrath
Brian Vo I got force roar and won on turn 7
I like pre-made decks. It means that I can play on an equal level with my opponent. Average card collections are absolutely crushed by fantastic card collection.
premade special created decks creates some new fun strategies. I am prob. in the minority that dislikes the choose 1,2, and 3 decks, the webspinners, and unstable portals
in webspinner vs unstable portal, unstabke portal would win a 100% of the time
unstable portal vs unstable portal would be more fun imo
Blizzard pls. This is a fantastic idea.
maybe they will increase the chance getting good beast.
MrGhobo You just need to get a few Malornes ^^
*{S}*Dragon which all cost 9 mana each so by the time you have even 1 up and running the enemy will have a board full of (potentially) 7, 8 and 9 drops
Sameo1000 Or he has a board full of useless 1, 2 and 3 drops, because there are way more minions with low mana cost and also a bunch of useless high drops. With Webspinner you got a much higher chance of getting a good card like Malorne, Gahz'rilla or King Krush because there are only a few beasts.
02:19 I watched his stream, and I think he actually lost one time with Nefarian.
Kurmagit Kripp records his videos a day early, so there he was talking about the stream before last stream.
Incredibly Gay
Alright
Kurmagit He lost because for some reason he didn't save any hard cc for golemagg (he had crush and polymorph) and then claimed he got bad rng.
*****
He just can't see that he makes mistakes sometimes.
Too much NaCl in vein
Kurmagit all greats have short memories, just ask charles barkley
I hope this tawern brawl comes back in the future
it did!
16:23 to skip the bullshit
ty bro nearly died
k den Our lord and savior!
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***** maek me bitch
I really like the Hearhstone tavern brawls, it made me start playing Hearthstone again. I really like the random and cool aspects of Hearthstone.
What does it matter that it's 33/66 instead of 50/50 balance? I think it's kinda fun. It actually doesn't give anybody an advantage because everybody plays both. So although the match-up is unbalanced, the whole Ragnaros vs Nefarian game mode is not unbalanced.
A few things... the Rag deck is garbage in comparison however, if the deck makes it to late game and locks you to one minion the Nef deck gets fucked.
Secondly why does brawl have a win counter when there is nothing to be gained from playing any amount of games or any amount of wins.
Dat Harass
Nef is weird though, rag has an advantage if you get real unlucky and don't get the cards to deal with him early, but because you actually are getting two cards every turn and the spells can be really powerful, he still has some punch late game whereas Rag can basically only win if the game goes late
4Head RAG 4Head IS 4Head BETTER 4Head LATE 4Head GAME 4Head
Dat Harass The win counter is used for your matchmaking. You're paired against other players with close to an equal number of wins, if one is available. Beyond that there will most likely be quests later based on a number of wins greater than one.
Dat Harass It was a win counter? I thought it counted the times you got Nefarian.
C Moore
Well played sir!
I enjoy this format a lot. At the beginning I conceded with Rag, but now I actually enjoy playing him more than Nef. I needed to understand how to play the deck effectively. I hope we can play this matchup again in the future.
Rag vs Nefarian is balanced. It's just balanced for Nefarian to win 66.6% of the time. But I actually like that! It's like a challenge to win with Rag. And you feel really good when you do. This is the point of Tavern Brawl. But I agree, non-premade decks would be more fun. Especially if they involve new cards.
Hmm, I just thought of a fun brawl mode I'd love. I LOVE RNG, but what if one week, the tavern brawl included no RNG outside of card draw? It would take a lot of programming, but it would be really awesome.
If your piloted shredder dies, you pick the 2-drop result. Play a madder bomber and you get to choose the target for each bomb. Nat Pagle will always draw a card unless you deactivate him. Lightning storm will always do maximum damage unless you click to allow RNG. Sylvanis's deathrattle steals the card you want most. Deadly shot is targetable.
Possibly to even things up slightly, this brawl type would put a deck limit of 1 unstable portal, 1 webspinner, and give Sneed's 5 overload.
So here is a question, which Adventure/Brawl only card do you think should be released with the standard card set? For me I like the worshiper from Nax. I would say for 2nd place the Deathcharger because it is a Zoo card that punishes for poor aggressive play but agro is so strong right now they don't need any more cards.
@ kripparian i notice that you have an auto focus issue with you webcam. The camera thinks the Chinese wall is your face because of the exposure values in the image. If you put something dark and non-reflective piece of cloth over the top corner of that Chinese wall, the camera will be able to find your eyes and focus on them.
Kripp: "How do you win a Nefarian?" Me: "Drag your face across the keyboard."
Nice to see a youtuber making the right statement. If played correctly you win every single game with Nef. I only played this Brawl once, I don't want to be on the recieving end on that. Doesn't seem to be fun.
two games played. both times I was Ragnaros. First game the Nef trounced the crap out of me. I think I did one damage to his armor. The second game I got Rag, I was thinking about conceding but I got a way way better start than the nefarian and once you get your weapon spent, the game turns in your favor so hard that it becomes hard more for nefarian to win.
You didn't mention it, but Rend Blackhand is probably worth keeping in your Nef hand. Ragnaros doesn't play many legendaries, but you do, and one of the few things Ragnaros can do to stall you is living bomb. By killing your own legendary you can keep momentum and close what is probably already an easy game.
That shirt you are wearing is amazing and I just wanted to commend you on your impeccable fashion sense. Good on ya, Krip
The problem with the web spinner unstable portal decks is that the opponent could just leave the web spinners. While the unstable portal deck could cast the spell and get a minion ready. While you would have to wait for your we spinners to die and activate death rattle. So if that match up happened. The unstable portal deck would win I reckon about 70-80% of the time
I have powers - not like totemic might but rather the power of farsight:
There is going to be a Brawl where one class has 10 hp, the other one has a lot of healing but very little damage with for instance smites/arcane shot as highest burst in it.
If Rag had 120 HP would he be more in line with Nefarian? He would be able to stall longer into the late game, allowing him to try to make a comeback. Also, if he had a cheap minion that dealt AOE, like a 4 mana 6/4 that dealt 6 damage to all enemy minions, would that be good?
Noxious made his 100 wins in Brawl yesterday and his win rate with Nef is 70\10 and with Rag is 37\31. Score counts EU + NA servers. This is just statistics but u can see which char is OpieOP.
I was almost about to lose a game as Nefarian. My opponent had a full board and i was down to 10 health and 1 card. Then i used my hero power and got a Twisting Nether for 0 mana. OpieOP
Kripp you have to understand that for davern brawl that for players who dont have that large of a card pool, playing cool card as in pre-made decks is a very cool experience. For free to play people who dont play that much have a very small deck and that brings kind over repeditive gamplay. So for me, Pre-made decks really would help bring the newer or not so frequint players into the game. Anyways that just my opion, love your videos, keep making them
Love the idea of Tavern Brawl, but Nef was far too powerful. Had some of the worst draws imaginable on my first game without a clue of what to expect and from Rag and still won thanks to a hero powered mind control. This was also a game where my full board "Open the gates" was Baron Geddoned and Rag had his 8 damage hero power for half the game.
Some things that gave me a fighting chance as Ragnaros would be:
•Electron is your best friend, if Nefarian plays him you get free core hounds, flamehearts, etc. So try not to kill him unless you really need to.
•Early on use your weapon plus Magma Rager to clear and create pressure on his minions, not his health later on you can hold on to that 15 health with flamestrikes, Coren, hero power, and Giants.
•Lava Burst sucks, you need more mana on Rag and it only does 5 damage.
•Save Coren til turn 9 or 8 plus coin, because Nefarian can easily remove him if you try to wait a turn to brawl.
•Once you get your hero power try using it every turn it's way better than Lava Burst even if it's random.
•If you can board clear the last few turns and you have card advantage it's GG unless he draws Pyroblast.
These didn't guarantee me wins but it gave me pretty good chances to win and almost all games as Rag for me are close.
@2:42 don't you mean "it is impossible to win with ragnaros unless you get struck by lightning in the form of rng" and not nefarian?
This Brawl was awesome. Im excited for this play mode
The game play seems to be in a lower video quality than the introduction, why is that? The intro is in 720p but as soon as the game play starts there is a noticeable drop in video quality. This happens in a lot of your videos.
This one is the best one so far by far
Tbh I like playing Rag. I like the uphill battle sort of feel. It makes winning all the more rewarding. I got a Nefarian to surrender just now. It was glorious.
Question, what would happen if you played the ironbrew guy, but it gets copied on nefarians side with something like mirror entity, then play a brawl... would both survive?
I think there are few key things that could have made the Rag deck better which you didn't mention. One is changing many of the cards which activate "at beginning of turn" to activate "at the end of turn". All of the minions which have beginning of turn mechanics are effortlessly killed by Nef. So the card trade is just about always horrible.
Also. Nef needs some reasonably powerful cards in their deck which can destroy rag's weapon early. Harrison Jones sort of mechanics. Right now there are very little downsides for Nef to just keep the board clear. If Rag's minions had powerful deathrattles this somewhat keep everything a bit more balanced.
The only way i've been able to win with Rag is to have his taunt cards at the beginning and use his board clearing spells. Other than that it seems impossible.
I think it was fine. I was just happy that it was free. That's the most important thing.
And, I really think lvl 20 is totally negligable. Enough to say you went through the tutorial.
I might be mistaken, but I have the feeling that Gary Chalk was called in to do voice lines. I could have sworn that he voiced Magmatron.
i kinda loved the fact that they did prebuild decks because i literally have like no good cards that arnt basic cus my packs have royally screwed me soo having a prebuild deck was amazingly fun time
Webspinners vs Unstable Portals.
My body is ready.
I think the reason why they require a level 20 class is the fact that tavern brawl IS free. You're not going to make any money off people freeloading the entertainment value.
The Blue Shell Also, if total noobs first timing the game did come in to tavern brawl and went against expierienced players, it would be unfair - it ensures that they have at least a basic understanding of the game with a bit of expierience with advanced mechanics too.
The Blue Shell
Because tavern brawl is only ever going to be premade decks..?
luckygozer No...
Sometimes it will be premade, sometimes it will give you set rules / cards or w/e and you get to make a deck around it
It took them 136 tries to get Kripp's ultimate praise.
In some twisted way, TB is basically a set up for constructed in a way that challenges Rag players. Imagine Nefarian as a rush deck whose always drawing and putting down cards. Imagine Rag as a control deck where you have to survive in order to come out on top. If you can survive the onslaught then the chances of winning are higher. It's a pain in the ass to try and win with Rag, but the feeling of crushing your opponent is like none other.
Yo, I want to know why Drakonid Slayer isn't a legal card. That card is totally fair and totally awesome!
Corsair Joshua There is a Legendary card with similar stats and the same ability. If Drakonid Slayer was made a regular card, then the Foe Reaper would be replaced in an instant.
Zane P. Yeah I know about Foe Reaper but it's like a Mech vs a Dragon version. I think it'd be cool to have. 2 mana for 3 health and a "better" tribe? Still seems like Foe Reaper has his advantages!
Corsair Joshua 2 mana equates to between 4 and 5 stats, mech is worth maybe .5 mana more than dragon, so the dragon would still be a lot better.
Dogofdoom mech tag costs exactly 0, while the dragon tag costs 0.5/1 Even if you removed the mech tags on most of the current mechs they would still be played because they're strong anyway, only mech support cards would see less play. Buff all dragon cards by reducing their cost by 1 and more people would be playing them, because now they would actually be worth playing outside of niche gimmick decks.
The level 20 cap is really stupid. I wanted to play Tavern Brawl with my SO (she doesn't play a lot and is quite new to the game, so I thought this would be a fun way to play where she actually has cards that aren't junk), but we can't because she doesn't have a level 20 hero.
This wouldn't be as big a deal if it weren't for the time limit. There's only about 2 days left before this is gone, so we're going to end up missing out.
I wanna see a Tavern Brawl where all the decks that we're so OP they were nerfed face off against eachother WITH THEIR PRENERF forms to see which one was actually more broken. For instance Miracle Rogue, Spell Power Druid, Freeze Mage, Deathrattle Hunter.
i actually got deadly poison from the hero power of nefarian and then i got upgrade from the hero power and had 3/3 weapon
In the card list for Rag, it says he has 2 Living Lavas. I'm pretty sure he has 3 of them.
In the list of rag's deck you've typed 2x Living Lava but actually once I got 3 of them in the first hand.I dont know if its a bug cause I insta surrended and I saw my hand after the concede, but u know that was kinda strange.
I prefer Rag as Nef since Rag is control. If you hold the Nef early and destroy your weapon quicky, the game became yours if you are stable. Nef is easier to play, but more RNJesus dependent with his hero power than Rag, even if his hero power is random, 8 damage cleans always some board if not face. :3
Maybe this Rag vs Nef is a test of Control/Midrange vs Zoo/Agro to see how make a meta where you aren't forced to play aggresive or combo decks to win.
What about a tavern brawl where your hero power is changed with another class? Either randomly or in deck building, so you can get new and weird decks (i.e. control hunter)
I am 6 - 1 with Rag and 5 - 1 with Nefarian. It doesn't seem unbalanced at all to me. As a Rag, you just need to have some stall (Living Bomb, Lucifron) to survive with enough life until you get rid of Sulfuras and then you win.
I can already imagine everyone sticking Dr Boom + BGH+ all op cards from normal ladder.
Letting people making their own decks would again mean that people with better cards would get better results. (same as on ladder and arena generally speaking) I think brawl is ok , it's something different than making your own deck. You don't like playing ladder(same as me ) because of the same decks over and over. Do you think that 10 obligatory cards you have to stick in your deck would then change this format vs ladder much?
Got Rag on my first game - won, got the pack, never played brawl till it reset.
I have about the same experience with the two boss heroes. I've played a bunch of games, and only lost one with nef, but my RNG was horrible. I wild magiced a feign death, totemic might and a spell bender all in a row, and still only lost to golemeg with my opponent at 3 hp. Rag I've lost at least half my games.
Ive played Nefarian twice. So far ive gotten 4 counterspells, 1 spellbender, 2 noble sacrefice and 2 inenrvates... (Only mentioning the bad cards), and the only time i had Chromaggus on the board, i drew "Open the gates" twice in a row...
I've had an opponent wild magic into unstable portal into archmage atonidas
YES NEW SERIES ! =)
Markus H Tavern Brawl #1...learn to read.
I don't get why Blizzard did premade decks. They know for a fact that premade decks aren't very attractive and/or fun, because of the hero challenges in solo adventures. They basically just made an extra hero challenge. It's cool, but it's not what we were promised.
You know, this is the first week right? It varies later on, they'll be different brawls, so wait until next week
E_M_E_T pull the stick out of your ass its the first week of a new gamemode what do you expect?
E_M_E_T You realize it changes every week right, not every week is premade
E_M_E_T I think it might be a way for new players to have a way of playing correctly without having to pay, both because their collection won't matter and because they get packs out of it.
E_M_E_T It is exactly what we were promised. Didnt you read the article in the launcher?
This week is great for those of us who don't have many cards to build ridiculous decks with.
i once got pyroblast fireball soulfire and the paaldin card that doubles a mininos attack the warlock card that kills all minions and the spell botthing and oneshot that ragfag at 50 hp
I know we were all hoping for some crazy deckbuilding opportunities but this makes sense as an opening brawl, I think they were going for something big and memorable and the two main bosses from the last adventure duking it out with blatantly broken decks is that thing. A week passes in a blink anyway, stop whining and just enjoy the awesome ride.
I had no trouble winning with Rag when I got him. If Nefarian doesn't kill you before turn 10 you'll find Ragnaros' cards curve MUCH better than Nefarian's meaning you can play more each turn while Nefarian still does not have a creature costing under 4 mana. And at that point Rag's hero power is usually killing whatever he plays instantly because Nefarian has NO card draw and can't develop a board as quickly as Rag can past turn 7 or 8
Hello! What do you know about bad rng? I got blade flurry and 2 trees of life in a row!
I was also hoping for some deck building stuff. :O
"Nefarian generally doesnt have removal" nice one kripp
Flame imp was a good one drop. Could help deal with that nef minion that spawned two 2/2s
Not sure but it seems tehre are 3 taunt 6/6
Kripp, i think deadly poison is sligthly better than tree of life and Feign death, because you have 30, rag has 60, no minions with deathrattles... AND you can get muster for battle (I already play 9 games with nefarian, and one of them i got twice, deadly poison + muster for battle)
Alberto Ángel Gil del Pozo i mean both, not twice ^^, excuse me for my english
I played lots and only lost as Nefarian twice.
Once I lost because I had horrific rng, I died with 4 free spells in hand that were completely useless.
The other time I lost was because the one of my first free spells was shadowform. Once I stopped laughing I figured "I'm doing this for fun...SHADOWNEFARIAN! " and it was a dismal failure. The 2dmg was *occassionally* useful. But was mostl it was for the lolz. He got the special shadowy effect over my nefarian picture. Should've screen shot it.
Kripp, are you going to make a poe video now with the beta? Or maybe when the beta ends?
Did any of the devs who did testing on Tavern Brawl win as Ragnaros? I honestly wonder.
i played 3 games and concluded that you're basically flipping a coin when you hit play, and that coin flip determines whether you win or lose
Why are Kripp's videos always so blurry even at 720p?
Flame Imp on turn 1 when you're going first is fantastic.
Chris C Not in this mode. The 3/2 is too little and doesn't help at all. It's just throwing a card away.
Oh man sorry to tell you you are wrong it is quite usefull to control the board...using the imp and then. The hero power you can easily win nefarian taking the control of the board... I'm about to reach 50 wins ón tavern brawl most wins by ragnarok...
Ragnaros is the RNG LORD, I love it when he deals eight damage to the right minion
I reckon there should be a game mode where both players will have nothing but unstable portals in their decks.
That'll be a lotta fun
How do you even play as Nefarian? Every time I random him, the ragnaros says Good game and explodes....
I don´t have an issue with the balance here. In fact, I found it entertaining to win using the underdog, it felt like some sort of an achievement.
are there any rewards for playing this mode ? Gold/card packs ?
I had a pretty satisfying Rag game where I got Prophet Velen and managed to pull a 16 damage hero power finisher
Hey guys general Question:
Is there any viable substitute for Jaraxxus/Alex in Handlock ?
I have enough Dust for the giants but if it doesn't work , I'd rather get rag
Der Nesor Assuming you want a non-legendary replacement, then no. You can try putting in a Floating Watcher/ Dread Infernal if you're running the Void Callers, but nothing replaces Jaraxxus since he's so unique.
I'd say Antique Healbot or Mal'Ganis.
lkjkhfggd Well my Legendarys are only Dr.Balanced, Sylvanas, Ysera, Nozdormu, Malygos, Illidan, sneeds and Naxx/Blackrocks.... soooo I need an extra 1600 dust ^^
With the 30x Webspinner vs the 30x Unstable portal, I feel that matchup favours the mage far too heavily.
The game would look something like this (Mage going first) :-
Turn 1: Mage Passes, Hunter plays Spinner
Turn 2: Mage Plays UP + maybe plays 1/2/3 drop if pulled, Hunter summons 2 webspinners and attacks either face or minion if dropped.
Turn 3: Mage plays UP or Plays larger minion from turn before (up to 6 mana), Hunter plays 3x webspinner or plays 1 and hero powers and attacks with other 2.
Assuming the webspinner died last turn, the hunter has a beast in his hand which could be anything from a 1/1 boar to Savannah Highmane to King Krush. HOWEVER, since those cards are still full mana cost (1, 6 and 9 respectively) the mage has plenty of time to gain advantage with the 3 mana cost reduction from unstable portal. Hell, the mage itself could draw Highmane for 3 or Krush for 6 mana themselves.
As the hunter player you wouldn't really want to play the boar either unless you were going full aggro because the only difference between the boar and spinner is the charge. However if the mage is smart, they won't attack the spinners in the first place, forcing the hunter to trade to get their beasts in hand rather than having a board of 1/1s.
Having looking through the list of cards that webspinner can pull, the best card under 6 mana is King Mukla and the only card that is close under 6 mana is Emperor Cobra. Krush, Gahz'rilla, Malorne, Maexxna, Highmane and The Beast are all 6 or more mana.
Also bare in mind that the Mage could potentially pull any of these cards for 3 mana less than the hunter did without having to wait for a deathrattle to obtain them in the first place. A webspinner hitting the mage for 1 damage seems a great use of the mages health resource over pinging it off for 2 mana and giving the hunter a beast.
Most of Nefarians creatures are 6-7 plus mana...so it's just subtraction... You still have the same curve... Apart from the zero drop hero power.
I will just lean back and wait for 30 unstable portal mirror match tawern brawl.
Is it just me or is the video quality slightly on the poo poo side? Where are you 1080p?
i feel like there's a lot more balance than it initially seems, however the rag deck is SUPER skill intensive and for a format that's only out for a week, it's too difficult to pick up. Nefarian is not only slightly stronger than rag, he's also easy to play and starts with an obvious advantage (4 mana). I do enjoy the challenge of playing with rag, as i like the way his deck plays, but i do agree that there are balance and skill level issues.
To win as Rag, use your weapon and take lots of face damage until you can play giants, or golemagg. Or get 2 core puppies
With this particular tavern brawl one must realise it is very thematic. Note how rag has a weapon he uses form WOW and all his minions are fire based, similarly Nefarian has dragons because he himself is a badass dragon. Alot of this is paying homage to people who payed WOW its not strictly about balance it about banter
But kripp tavern brawl isnt up at all times therefore its really easy to hit level 20 before you start brawling.
I played about 5 matches, and got Ragnaros every damned time. As soon as I won, I stopped that shit. He's so frustratingly bad, and the launch of Tavern Brawl was a huge let down, for me. I was too annoyed at it to even keep going until I could try Nefarian.
Edit: Though, what made it all worth it, was my weekly pack containing a golden Ysera.
Castle1558 i haven't opened mine yet.Saving for 10 packs so i get a high chance of getting a leggie XD.Also Better Nerf Neferianila.
Yep, Rag is more powerful, you just have to know how to play him.
Not understanding something doesn't make it bullshit, he has stronger cards and by the time he can use them Nefarion can't kill him. And Nefarion has to rely on RNG, from a very large pool in which most cards won't help him in specific situations. Those that will help him, probably still can't outvalue 2 mana 8 damage or Rag's stronger and cheaper cards.
Even coin Vaelastrasz can't outright win most of the time, Rag's removal is insane. If you play it right.
SoulerVids What your saying can go with naf. So yep, naf IS more powerful, you just have to know how to play him.
Rush Caliber You just have to know how to get lucky? Your argument is flawed and meaningless. Try explaining each of their strengths to yourself, as an *actual* argument, and you will see the truth.
SoulerVids I dont think you understood what i said lol
SoulerVids Yeah sure, if you get the perfect hand as Rag you have some great removal. But if you end up with a Flame Imp, Flamestrike and some other crap, then please tell me how you "outplay" his turn 1 Vael.
Rush Caliber You tried to say what I said could be applied to both, without understanding what I said. Therefore, meaningless.
marcuslola You don't have to get a perfect hand, he has a ton of removal. Just do what you'd do in any other match, keep the useful cards and replace the rest. A turn 1 Vael is countered by two living bombs, the Corruption guy, the Mountain Giant and his big brother... He can't kill you by the time you have enough mana to defend, and his hand will be emptied quickly. The sooner he empties it, the more you can remove, and the safer your late game is.
Be interesting that each round, could be randomized to how many crystals you can spend. From 0 - 10