How To Install a Maximum Motorsports Torque Arm For Better Traction!
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This video is part of a series of videos showing the upgrades to the rear suspension of my #FairmontProject. After talking with the people at Maximum Motorsports I realized that my rear suspension was not up to the task of the power my engine was putting out. So I decided to upgrade it with Maximum Motorsports parts. I have not regretted that decision since.
If you have a fox body Ford, this is a great upgrade to help with traction and performance. I highly recommend it.
Special thanks to Jack Hindley and Kolton Sinclaire for all their help.
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Torque Arm Installation Instructions: www.maximummotorsports.com/Ass...
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You know what I love the most about your videos? You're not afraid to show your mistakes. This makes me feel more confident.
Hi Eric, you are a good teacher and mechanic . Your videos always worth watching, so please keep up the great work here, with my best wishes.
man, the fairmont is not only gunna go in a straight line really fast but its gunna hug corners like its on rails! this is how its supposed to be done! this was a GREAT video! i love watching how people engineere parts like this to work like it came from the factory with it.
Eric, the TH-cam algorithm finally brought me a great channel to watch and I have to say that I'm really enjoying the Fairmont build. I built my first 302 for my 85 Mustang to replace the 2.3L and it's funny to look back on how I did my first foxbody project 30 years ago and cringe! Thanks again for the quality content, you do a great job of explaining and showing all the different steps. Best wishes to you and I hope you're well!
When applying force on your wrench try to appose the upward force of your jack stand by pulling directly downward. The way you had the jack placed, combined with the direction you were applying force, was causing flex in the torque arm and twisting the bolt.
Very humble of you not to blame the part. Love your videos.
Awesome video like always! I am getting ready to install a torque arm on my mustang and your video made me feel a lot more comfortable with the installation process. Thank you!
you have a lot of patience.I love how your doing it right, and not just slapping a powerful engine on the same drive train, and suspension. A performance vehicle should be able to perform with the reliability of a stock Honda civic, or Toyota Corolla.
I agree, but I would also have liked to have seen the differential, etc., fail...because I am hard headed, and always wanting to think there is a chance that the original factory parts might hold up surprisingly well, at least for a while. So, it would have been an educational thing, for me, if he had taken the opposite approach. However, I certainly am enjoying the build, very much, just the way he is doing it.
I found your Chanel while looking up tutorials for changing brake calipers. Have been binge watching for the past week, love the channel
Thanks!
Damn, this is getting cool. Thanks for showing every step! Never been more interested in a channel!
I am so thankful for the channels I choose to subscribe to and the people who are the creators. Eric sir, I am at a loss of word's with this install,choice of part, and such an amazing discovery. If you are at least the lowest intelligent at being a mechanically inclined person, you can see the enormous amount of silliness you can get with this kit in your vehicle, providing you have a good amount of power pumping out your engine, you can't contest this is one of the best new kits I've seen for a solid rear axle without even driving before and after the install. The amount of additional power you can add with this setup stand alone you don't have to have a Ford 9" to feel safe. I love it so much on site that I don't even want to know the price of it for a while because I am busy with finishing other mods right now. I am so glad I did not start to get crazy with my rear setup yet.
Yes, the rear suspension is very important to any build. Thanks for your comment and good luck with your build.
Eric, as I have stated before I admire your patience, it seems colossal with this huge and difficult project you are up to. I also get actually worried about the size of the expense you are in and all these leftover parts...I really hope the Fairmont ends up well and working as it should to be a great satisfaction to you and the viewers...If i were you, Iwould have run out of courage WAAAAAAAAY early into it!
One job at a time. Thanks for the comment.
Eric the Fairmount project is coming out sick can't wait to get out on a test drive👍
it looks fantastic now underneath . what a sleeper . loving it . it really is nice .
I really enjoy your videos, great personality and very detailed. I too love how I will drop at least one thing to the floor before the day ends feels great.
Maximum Motorsports rules. My TA/PB has been serving well for a decade on my daily driver.
heads up: you will need firmer springs when going from 4 link to TA/PB.
That was cool! I blurted out HOLT SH!T when that bolt broke! That was crazy. The wife came down asking if I was ok! lol. Good stuff as always!
your welding is getting better Eric!! well done and good job on the new rear end so far 👍👍
Thanks.
I'm ready to see the Panhard install. Need this for my major suspension overhaul that I'm doing. Nice video and excellent work Eric
Next week. Finishing up the edits this weekend.
I, too, have a real hard time seeing things before the arc starts, so I use a 300W halogen light right near the work area and its just bright enough through my mask to see what I'm doing before I start the arc.
Getting so siked for building my own projects 10 years from now when I hopefully have the money lol awesome videos! love the fairmont.
This video goes well with my hangover. Thanks Eric!
You're welcome.
when you drop stuff it cracks me up . it happens a lot with me too. ha ha. keep up the good work Eric
It seems I can't get through a video these days without dropping something. #StayButterFingers
My favorite candy!
Somebody's got to test to see if gravity is still working
Great video as always. A lot of time has passed, we need to hear this beast fire up or peel out or something.
uncomfortable torquing, broken bolts and magic nuts all in one video! thumbs up!
Nicely done Eric. I like to trial fit with plain hex nuts and save the Nylocs for final assembly. Really appreciate your content.
I haven't seen my 1975 Ford Granada for the past 15 years or so because it sits under a car cover, but as I recall, it looks as good now as the day it rolled off of the assembly line. Just saying.... Keep going with the Fairmont project. That's it.
This might sound weird coming from me seeing as i'm just a hobbyist mechanic, and i don't know if you'll see this anyway, but i felt very proud of you when i saw those welds, and how far you've come from earlier videos. The bead placement might have been off, but the bead quality, penetration, and the sound of the welder are leaps and bounds better. You wouldn't think so, but having a worklight pointed at the welding location will help you see better through your helmet before you start the arc. You were welding under vehicle, very dark there....hard to see in general, and even harder with a tinted helmet on! Adjusting the helmet so you can see the pool of liquid metal forming as you're welding, while still at a safe level is key. Also, practice on scrap! Muscle memory is very important too, so you can weld a straight line and follow shapes even without seeing them. You may have heard this already from other places, as it's been 3 years since this video, but i thought i'd share anyway. You're doing it right Eric! ;)
5:47 ...damn, the whole car is in that trunk. 😉
Good video. When I saw the bolt break when you were torquing it down I was like "Oh. That sucks." I would have been furious too with a few choice expletives for more than a few moments. Good show of restraint and persistence, man. Keep it up. =)
Thank you for such a great high quality video. Obviously that's what you always do but this one seems to of set a new bar.
Thanks!
It's 19:30 on a Friday evening, by this time I'm usually already at the pub sipping on my first beer but no here I'm sitting at home watching another EricTheCarGuy video. Thank's for the great videos Eric!
PS one of the barmen at my pub is also called Eric, another great guy.
Well, sorry to keep you. Have one for me after you finish the video. Thanks for the comment.
Great video Eric!
Such good quality video
Thanks!
Bad ass install Eric!!!!!
I remember watching the previous suspension install and thinking "No, don't do a 4-link!" You'll be glad you replaced that with the torque rod and track bar setup.
Well done Eric. 👍👍
thats a nice torq wrench. and everythings looking cool
Welding by braille is an acquired skill that takes years to master.... I still fumble with it at times.... but when i was welding as a job I did fall asleep welding and woke up when my hand got hot...
sometimes I think you forget we do not have all the tools you have and have to improvise. If you can keep that in mind- it is the creative part of the show that is interesting too.
TGIF! Friday morning = ETCG & Coffee!
The way the bolt snapped may have been due to incorrect tempering of the hardened bolt. It might not have been tempered the full way due to less heat getting to that bolt in the tempering oven. It can happen to any bolt bought by any company for use in their products. Even if the bolts have a straw colour to their exterior, this doesn't indicate that full tempering has occurred throughout the interior of the bolt.
My dampers (Bilstein) also had the same instructions not to use an impact tool. Very difficult on my car to tighten the top nut without using one though - I gave in to temptation.
Great video with great information. A couple questions after I say thanks now I want Chinese 😐 do you loose any ground clearance with that brace hanging under the differential and do you think the grease zerk could get broken off by sticking straight down I would think it would be better being out the side.
nice keep up the good work bro
Can't wait to see this machine go down the road... Sure your as excited as I.. Lol good job
Great job!
OK thanks I'll do that . thanks for your time friend
you the man eric!!!!
Im a mechanic myself in the uk 24 years in the trade myself I have to say it I love this guy he knows is stuff.
that's deep not sure what eric would make of that lol
Good morning. I hope you see this, and can answer this for me. is the installation of the T/A dependent on wheelbase length? or can a T/A be installed on any foxbody platform car? is there any instance where a T/A would be too short to install?
Happy Easter everyone.
Radar went off at 17:18 when that first bolt didn't want to thread in nice and easy. First thought was to chase the internal thread, but maybe it was the bolt. Or maybe the first bolt became the thread chaser for the hole.
Is it ok to raise the car on the rear diff in a fox body or should I use something between the jack like wood? I’m new but I’m doing practically everything you did over time thank you!
I can't wait to see eric make a video of this when driving it.
I bet if you dragged out the air hose those top mount bolts would come right off ;) Great video, love the Fairmont builds.
Grate videos Eric , been watching ur videos for years , love watching ur videos , I'm based in the uk , bit by bit I'm building a 302 v8 :) I'm putting it into a ford capri , bits are hard over hear for a 302 v8 , I would love to fit a torque arm but I don't think that would fit , but the capri is known as a poor mans mustang lol , but would love to fit a torque are to it :)
Nice video, after you drop the engine and trans 2", i would take a peek at your driveshaft clearance at full droop. Have a feeling that it's gonna get worse. Keep up the good work!
I'm not dropping anything 2". I dropped the engine 1/2", not the trans. I've already done it and the clearance is fine. Keep in mind what you're looking at in the video is at full drop. At ride height there's plenty of clearance. Thanks for the comment.
39:57, must have misspoken, it did seem like a lot when you said it. Glad it all worked out
Question... is it true on the foxbody mustang, using this setup will allow me to eliminate the torque boxes
What would be some good suspension updates for a 9th generation ford pickup?
I do like the Fairmont vid,s great job all!
I've been following the build but had to come back and watch the suspension bits...
I'm curious if you have an idea how much weight the rear mods have added to this freight train?
-100
G'day from Australia and another great video, Eric - the Fairmont is really coming along! What is the significance of the special concave and convex washers? Why not just two flat washers?
I wondered that myself. The only thing I can think of is that they can help keep things centered with lots of vibrations.
im not really a ford guy, but im really enjoying this build. If your not covered in metal bits, your not fabricating :) im an auto machinist, so i know the struggle haha....my favorite tool in my shop is my "eye magnet" its a pen with a magnetic tip that is used to get metal shards out of your eyes haha
I have a 4 year old würth torque wrench i only use it for my wheels and bracket for the brake caliber, should i get my calibraded? ;)
Eric, tremec does have a driveshaft angle finder app on the smart phone.
You could place a piece of masking tape labeled weld to areas, as a reminder that you can go back to at later day and weld etc etc
Part of the problem with the bolt snapping off may have also been that the way you were tightening the bolt was twisting the assembly putting a degree of side load tension to bend the bolt which it didn't take well at that kind of torque.
Excellent! I fabbed my own TA and PH bar from the MM pdf. Restoring a 92 LX. Added sheet metal to give it a Nascar look. Fun! Git R dun bud! Looks awesome! Pinion angle should match the harmonic balancer angle and suspension should be under full load? Front tires on stands and jackstands under the axle housing. Mine came out to 3 degrees......no shims cuz I built it to fit. ;o)
It seemed to me that the threads in the torque arm were a little messed up when you put the first bolt in. did the second bolt go in better?
Great video as always Eric, really enjoying the series! - just one thing tho, American Turkeys come with pre fitted indicators to tell you when they're cooked ?!?!???
Yep. peasandcrayons.com/2014/11/oven-roasted-turkey-pop-timer-talk.html
Mind well and truly blown!
How much extra weight have you added with all the new stuff on the car? It's gotta be a fair amount.
Looks good 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
with the engine in its final possition Is there clearance for the driveshaft when the shocks are at maximum extension?
Yes.
would a 4 wheel thrust alignment be required when its all done??
I know this is a bit late, but wouldn't the bend in the frame connectors cause the angle to be off a little? They have a slight bend in them, so when the car is on the lift wouldn't it be slightly angled?
Somewhere I've read that a marina grade type grease is better than the little packs the send with any poly bushings believe it was on lmrs website think it was on one of there max motor control arm review but and is the money really worth the cash
hmm if you drop the engine + trans wouldn't the driveshaft connect with the torque-arm-mount when the suspension is all the way down?
I'm only dropping the engine a 1/2". I've already done it and the clearance is fine. Thanks for the comment.
Hey Eric! I was curious if prior to putting the Fairmont up on your lift if you took a baseline angle measurement say off the sub frame connectors, then verify that same angle once you lifted it? Cuz your angle checks are under the assumption the car is at the same angle as if it was on the ground. If I'm not mistaken, the drive line degree measurements are all relative to this. We ran into this issue while fabbing a custom 4-link.
Great videos (as usual) - Thanks!
Excellent point. My lift, strangely enough, is level. I hadn't considered checking the frame connectors though. Thanks for the comment.
Heh ETCG, what do you use for drill bits? (brand/composition)
Ugh Fairmont Project... But Props on your Video Quality! Your The Man.
"Now let's go to lunch!!!" (min 36:13). Haha, eric youre such a cool guy. And humble as well. Good luck my fiend!' BTW I just put a CORTEX Torque Arm on my Saleen Extreme. Bad ass stuff! Actually I havent had Chinese in a million years. Good idea.
hello bro I have a 99 jeep grand cherokee limited and for some reason my engine have a very massive air sound and I have no idea what it is
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A guy I worked called using the drill to enlarge a hole, "Wallering." "Hey, Tom, can y'all waller out that hole a little?"
Hi Eric, did you consider to install this cross membet upside down? I gues this would give you a safe driveshaft clearance, but I don't know about the ground clearance.
Driveshaft clearance is OK. Remember, it can't really go anywhere with the torque arm in place.
R-r-right, I didn't think about it.
Hey Eric. does the beam style torque wrench require calibration like your other torque wrenches ?
No. Once those are out, they need to be replaced.
Why is the mount for the bushing not exactly in the middle of that frame? In reference to the drive shaft, it's off a bit to the left side of the vehicle. What's the reason for that?
That's how the driveline angle is set up. It's offset so that the ring gear is actually in the center of the housing. This means the pinion is slightly off to one side.
EricTheCarGuy
Wow, can't believe that tiny offset makes a difference. Thanks for the explanation!
Make sure when you brake and the suspension relaxes more than at stationary the driveshaft doesn't contact the torque arm brace. Especially after you lower the engine and trans.
It's only the engine that gets lowered 1/2". The transmount will remain the same. Also, I've already done it and the clearance is fin. The driveshaft only gets close at full drop. At ride height there's plenty of room. Thanks for your comments .
Hate to say it , but I could see that the bolt was going to snap , same thing happened to me a few years ago installing high ratio rocker arms on my car snapped the bolt while torquing it down , it's still annoying when it happens though
good video all the same
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Eric, you were already close to the front bracket with the driveshaft when the suspension was all the way down, if you lower the transmission and engine 2 inches, won't the driveshaft contact the mount then? especially if when driving, the rear wheels leave the ground? you might need a smaller diameter driveshaft.
I'm not lowering anything 2". I just lowered the engine 1/2", the transmission stayed the same. I've already fitted it and the clearance is fine. Thanks for the comment.
I probably missed this but, have you reinforced your torque boxes? They love to crack on fox bodies.
Yes.
seemed maybe over-torquing/wrench not working? but there was also a ton of angular force on it, which will shear off bolts the hardness and step would likely make it easier to shear yet.
solution? put a stand under the socket to hold it up and keep wrench 90 from it, pull straight down to torque :)
Eric, nice video, what welder were you using?
Linked in the description.
How far does the torque arm hang below your diff? Looks like you are losing 3-4" of clearance maybe? If you have a flat is your car now resting on one tire and your torque arm?
if trans measures 5 degrees you match it on the rear end. that way the driveline angle cancel each other out. if it was a double cardon shaft then you can have the rear end pointed stright with the driveline.
Couldn't you have measured to the old trans mount bracket to square it up? I'm assuming Ford would have had that on the body square?
I heard your welder farting looked over to see a weld glassing over. much better than some of your earlier videos.
Cool video Eric , as it states in the comments the Fairmont is up and going . I have 2 questions , how do you like it ? And how many videos are left in the series until we see the car running?
The car is not running. I'm probably a couple of months away yet. I have several videos to go before I get to where I am now, I have no idea how many more it will be before the car is up and running if I'm honest.
So if you're dropping the engine and trans 2" your drive shaft will rub the torque arm cross member at full travel since its about to rub now. You should've done the engine trans first. Also you can use fishing line and washers to align the drive line front to back or to verify it. Best of luck!!