I was honestly expecting 2 wheels at the front to be... good? I'm very impressed you managed to make the pigeon even less stable with a theoretically better layout 10/10
XD wait until you get to the end of the episode XD you'll be super impressed at the instability :P tbh I wanted my first impressions to be recorded along with muye, so I didn't fine tune it at all :P
See, the bit at the end allows you to go the exact opposite way as well. Four-wheel pigeon with front AND rear stabilizers. Basically eight wheels at that point. Laws of Pigeon physics say that should be IMPOSSIBLE to roll
One suggestion I have for a solution to the driveshaft problem is to flip the engine 180° take the mesh and nodes from the rear axle of the original, move those to the front, and make it FWD. With a micro drive shaft.
The reason the Morgan was more stable is because it's a track car rather than a good city alternative like the Robin was. The Robin with a single rear wheel like this pigeon, would be more dangerous the more weight you had in it. Robins were meant for practicality so it had to have a single front wheel.
haha I'm sure with lower stiffer suspension it'd roll less :P but video recording sessions can only be so long XD I wanted this to be more of a "first impressions" type thing
@@fillman86 True. Although i think you should look into the Robin design. They were half the height of the pigeon and the centre of gravity was very low.
actually the morgan 3 wheelers are actually more of a hillside roads car, the malvern hills are windy as all heck, no really, its nuts how windy they are
@@mrjed6912 true that, but at least you get what you pay for instead of pay for what you get....like Citroen and they're funky electrics...or Renault and bad fuse boxes, then again, not as bad as Mercedes and they're flooding fuse boxes
Hi fillman, i already watched some of your videos. You look like a really smart man and learned a lot! Keep up with the good work, greetings from Argentina
I think your stability problem is partly that the rear wheel is too far forward; you want it to be all the way at the back of the bed (or possibly protruding a bit past the tailgate even). You could also try widening the front track, maybe? The other issue seems to be that having only one powered wheel rather than two means less traction, so you should put a bigger rear wheel on it. If it doesn't look like a Big Wheel running in reverse, you haven't peaked yet.
haha that is kind of true, but that works more with more power applications like the Vanderhall. In low power it can be fine, like the Morgan 3 wheeler
I wonder if you could cut and bend the walls of the bed and make a tail-fin/stabilizer for the Bigeon (two wheel Pigeon), with corresponding aerodynamics, to make it a bit more stable once you get more speed...
I know, I was paranoid, searching for one that someone had done, and I'm still half expecting someone to come in and call me a whole bunch of names about how stupid I was for not knowing this had been done already XD
@@mrjed6912 it's the only way to have exactly even weight distribution on each wheel, it rolls rn because there's too much weight too far back. Though you could prolly do a more front biased 75/25 to account stuff being put on the rear bed.
The pigeon is just the Reliant Robin pick-up which along with the Daihatsu Midget and a few others did very well as meter maid carts outside of Japan .
I have no idea how to do this, but what if you could figure out a working gyroscopic stabiliser for it? A big, flat disc positioned horizontally and spinning very fast. Located just below the bed of the truck and between the front and rear wheels. Great fun to watch, thanks for making this video!
it'd actually be possible, because if you've seen the snowmen, it stays upright by centring the bottom ball underneath it.... but I wouldn't know how to make it work...
yeah the difference to traction was huge for performance. Also what Muye said about the rear wheels of the normal version being wider than the front wheels on Fillman's
The reason why your Pigeon was tipping over in corners.. was that the tyres aren't shit! The original Mercedes A Classe had this issue where it would roll over if you steered too harsh... they fixed this with terrible tyres that would skid more when you turn, so that it wouldn't make that turn... it would just slide.
Another thing, items are made for a specific use, just flipping one part around won't solve anything, you need to make many adjustments to other variables in the design, even just the smallest of the small, to make something work
How to fix its problems: 1. Make it electric. 2. Give it 3WD. 3. Make the rear wheel a little wider. You weren’t accelerating as fast due to a lack of traction.
It is not the width of the wheel, it is the position of the wheel, it is the ride height too high, the front wheels camber are all wrong and the front suspensions are too soft.
haha I wanted to leave as much of my reaction to the video as possible, so I never tuned it. If I had taken the time, it would have been fairly easy to make it more stable (yes, even the motorbike version haha I have my tricks :P )
For me the game crashes a lot more than usual. The rotations are different and rotating the wheel in blender doesn't change it at all in beamNG. Also sometimes randomly it loses all of it's materials or they get swapped to different ones.
it's already on the repository waiting for approval. When it's live (probably monday), you'll find it here - www.beamng.com/resources/authors/fillman86.380331/
As the world’s most expert Pigeon expert, I can confirm we have reached peak Pigeon
I literally can't think of any thing you could do to improve it!!
Can confirm that the pigeon expert is a pigeon expert
muye ma che cabbo fai?
@@fillman86 hover pigeon
We have only reached the peak of pigeon when you put the 5000 horsepower engine into the pigeon motorcycle
I was honestly expecting 2 wheels at the front to be... good? I'm very impressed you managed to make the pigeon even less stable with a theoretically better layout 10/10
XD wait until you get to the end of the episode XD you'll be super impressed at the instability :P
tbh I wanted my first impressions to be recorded along with muye, so I didn't fine tune it at all :P
Same
congrats fill for finally making a video with muye!!
haha More like congrats to MuYe for getting to experience perfection in car form!
This is so beautiful it brings a tear to the eye. If you ever make another, I would like to suggest creating the Pigeon-farthing
lol that sounds like a nightmare :P
Single wheel pidgeon next? :D
Great that you invited MuYe. Watched quite some of his collection of vids!
haha you can do that already with it by just removing the rear suspension :P
@@fillman86 nah, just leave it rolling on the brake rotors. I've heard they last longer than tyres XD
See, the bit at the end allows you to go the exact opposite way as well.
Four-wheel pigeon with front AND rear stabilizers. Basically eight wheels at that point. Laws of Pigeon physics say that should be IMPOSSIBLE to roll
well it'd be possibly to have the 4 wheeled version with stabilizers, with this mod
@@fillman86 I assumed as much, and I'll try it out *WHEN* I have time
One suggestion I have for a solution to the driveshaft problem is to flip the engine 180° take the mesh and nodes from the rear axle of the original, move those to the front, and make it FWD. With a micro drive shaft.
the problem is the driveshaft is there, and it should work..... it just won't show up for some reason -_-
The reason the Morgan was more stable is because it's a track car rather than a good city alternative like the Robin was.
The Robin with a single rear wheel like this pigeon, would be more dangerous the more weight you had in it. Robins were meant for practicality so it had to have a single front wheel.
haha I'm sure with lower stiffer suspension it'd roll less :P but video recording sessions can only be so long XD I wanted this to be more of a "first impressions" type thing
@@fillman86 True. Although i think you should look into the Robin design. They were half the height of the pigeon and the centre of gravity was very low.
actually the morgan 3 wheelers are actually more of a hillside roads car, the malvern hills are windy as all heck, no really, its nuts how windy they are
@@_blood_moon_proto_1500 and they're just a bit expensive
@@mrjed6912 true that, but at least you get what you pay for instead of pay for what you get....like Citroen and they're funky electrics...or Renault and bad fuse boxes, then again, not as bad as Mercedes and they're flooding fuse boxes
Hi fillman, i already watched some of your videos. You look like a really smart man and learned a lot! Keep up with the good work, greetings from Argentina
thanks, I'm glad you like my projects
I'm really surprised by the shear number of argentinians like my stuff! I might have to visit there one day XD
Argentina? Cómo estás rey?
vamoss celeste y blancoo!!
I don't care what anyone says. This is even more Pigeon than the original Pigeon. Therefore since it is more Pigeon it is a better Pigeon.
:P eloquent haha
If you watch videos of Robins on the road (not top gear or demolition derbys) Robins are actually very stable due to good weight distribution
yeah, I know that they weighted the robin deliberately, but it still a funny as hell video :P
@@fillman86 it was, I can't denny 😅
Thank you for doing a collab with MuYe. It was very entertaining.
haha thank MuYe more :P
I think your stability problem is partly that the rear wheel is too far forward; you want it to be all the way at the back of the bed (or possibly protruding a bit past the tailgate even). You could also try widening the front track, maybe? The other issue seems to be that having only one powered wheel rather than two means less traction, so you should put a bigger rear wheel on it. If it doesn't look like a Big Wheel running in reverse, you haven't peaked yet.
Maybe switch it to FWD?
@@EdyAlbertoMSGT3 Kinda like the Aptera EV
MuYe and the others need to do a questionable race with this Pigeon
That would be so amazing if that single rear wheel Pigeon could be released to BeamNG. Would be the closest thing to a working motorcycle.
it's currently waiting for approval on the repository, so it should be live by monday :)
@@fillman86 Awesome! Thank you for your great development work :)
the actual problem is that the filman's pigeon is real-wheel drive, it should be front-wheel drive so it can be more stable
Stability? *we don't need stability were we're going*
haha that is kind of true, but that works more with more power applications like the Vanderhall. In low power it can be fine, like the Morgan 3 wheeler
Yeah I took it very seriously
I wonder if you could cut and bend the walls of the bed and make a tail-fin/stabilizer for the Bigeon (two wheel Pigeon), with corresponding aerodynamics, to make it a bit more stable once you get more speed...
that could potentially work, but I'd use a more sneaky way that I've pondered on since recording this ;)
it was only a matter of time before someone did this, AND you got THE Muye with you :) this is an awesome video
I know, I was paranoid, searching for one that someone had done, and I'm still half expecting someone to come in and call me a whole bunch of names about how stupid I was for not knowing this had been done already XD
@@fillman86 well i can safely say i havent seen anyone do this before, or really anything like it
PIGEON MOMENT (and a second harvester!!!)
oh this is brilliant. I have never seen so much pigeon-on-side action
wait.... I was suppose to edit that out
@@fillman86 oh, err, edit what out? I never saw anything...
top tip for 3 wheels : add cement to floor to lower the cg (center of gravity)
haha I think I remember something like this being said on top gear during the reliant episode haha
@@fillman86 yeah although the Robin in top gear was modified to roll. If you watch videos of them driving they're actually stable.
And make sure the weight balance is 67/33 front to rear
@@xavierrodriguez2463 But then if you actually use the pigeon to carry something like it should it'll roll instantly.
@@mrjed6912 it's the only way to have exactly even weight distribution on each wheel, it rolls rn because there's too much weight too far back. Though you could prolly do a more front biased 75/25 to account stuff being put on the rear bed.
The pigeon is just the Reliant Robin pick-up which along with the Daihatsu Midget and a few others did very well as meter maid carts outside of Japan .
that and the Piaggio Ape too
_Fill... what have you done..._
god's work
Don't you see, he is the chosen one, he can't be stopped, and his power is indisputed, nothing will prevent him from making...
*THE SHITPOST MODS*
I have no idea how to do this, but what if you could figure out a working gyroscopic stabiliser for it? A big, flat disc positioned horizontally and spinning very fast. Located just below the bed of the truck and between the front and rear wheels.
Great fun to watch, thanks for making this video!
it'd actually be possible, because if you've seen the snowmen, it stays upright by centring the bottom ball underneath it.... but I wouldn't know how to make it work...
@@fillman86 you could add an actual wheel there. As if connected to the engine.
Puts camber on it with Formula Drift suspension setup and rear wide tire
haha that'd be cool to see! but the rear suspension is custom, and leaf spring only... so it might not be so easy
Two driven wheels Vs One driven wheel is quite a difference
yeah the difference to traction was huge for performance. Also what Muye said about the rear wheels of the normal version being wider than the front wheels on Fillman's
Make a pigeon semi. However you wanna interpret what that would mean
muye has doubble the grip tho
haha
The reason why your Pigeon was tipping over in corners.. was that the tyres aren't shit! The original Mercedes A Classe had this issue where it would roll over if you steered too harsh... they fixed this with terrible tyres that would skid more when you turn, so that it wouldn't make that turn... it would just slide.
XD fair point, but then again, these are the tyres from the normal trike pigeon haha
MOTORCYCLE PIGEON YES
THE THING NO ONE KNEW THEY NEEDED
haha well I hope you enjoy it :)
you should make a fwd version and/or a rear-wheel steering version lol
Oversteer in style with you brand-new ibishu trigion
*rollover in style
I feel like your pigeon might be more stable if it were front wheel drive
Another thing, items are made for a specific use, just flipping one part around won't solve anything, you need to make many adjustments to other variables in the design, even just the smallest of the small, to make something work
I want to see a questionable race with the motorcycle pigeon
haha he said he might, so we'll see, but I think he has a long list already!
@@fillman86 let's goooooooooo
Front wheel drive reverse pigeon would be the most stable, I recon.
the fwd for stability is something that vanderhall said, but there's more to it than that XD here with this jank setup, it won't change much :P
1:19 piaggio ape
yep, we did a stream together once where we made some and drove them
If this mod isn't public i'm nuking the universe next weekend, no questions asked
well I am a part of the universe, so that means it is the universe's fault XD
also they don't approve mods over the weekend, so you'll have to wait until late monday
@@fillman86 okay, i'll delay it to tuesday then...
it's a can am spyder, but older.
my current favourite pigeon is the vanderhall :D
pigeon motorcycle
Now you need to make one with only two wheels, bicycle style
(EDIT) OH MY GOD HE DID IT
"tell me you haven't watched the whole video, without saying you haven't watched the whole video" XD
@@fillman86 I had to go to work but HE DID THAt
@@andrewengel3023 :P
The thing i dont like about the pigeon is its so unstable
Real 3 wheeled cars like the reliant robin arent unstable like the pigeon is
true, it does tend to topple really easily
twowheelpigeon
How to fix its problems:
1. Make it electric.
2. Give it 3WD.
3. Make the rear wheel a little wider.
You weren’t accelerating as fast due to a lack of traction.
It is not the width of the wheel, it is the position of the wheel, it is the ride height too high, the front wheels camber are all wrong and the front suspensions are too soft.
This thing is far too top heavy to ever be a vehicle anyway, I love the pigeon but real life 3 wheel cars are nowhere near this unstable :P
haha I wanted to leave as much of my reaction to the video as possible, so I never tuned it. If I had taken the time, it would have been fairly easy to make it more stable (yes, even the motorbike version haha I have my tricks :P )
You should have made it front wheel drive
thank you for this masterpiece
haha I'm here to serve :P
Seeing the 2 wheel pigeon I'm thinking: why not have a motorcycle chain instead of a driveshaft? The Flygeon did something like this
Man, I dont want to drive this for questionable races.....Nooooooo.
MWAHAHAHA
7:20 yeah uh nobody saw that
>.>
4 wheel pigeon when
XD
KTM X-Bow ute!
spitting image
5×5 pigeon when
wow please make this public i would love that :D
yep, it's waiting to be approved, and should be live by monday
It’s now twice as stable
haha that's one way of looking at it ;)
I love Bluetooth driveshafts they go great with my Bluetooth steering
we should name this car The Biggeoun
O_o
You need to make a 2 wheel one
and you need to watch the WHOLE video XD
I thought you built a Pigeon using a BMW Isetta...
haha nah, all the modding is custom
w h a t
yup!
I think if the rear wheel and tire was twice as wide then it would help tremendously
I know how this could actually work if it is front wheel drive
Please give us more pigeon.
i need a pigeon motorbike
well it's been on the repository for quite a while now
I think he just only changed the wheel placement!😂
haha there was a lot more to it than that haha though I did consider that :P
You should put rear wheel steering on it instead of front wheel steering. Otherwise, beautiful car
haha that'd bring up its own issues of instability XD look at my video on putting a forklift around the Nürburgring :P
Man we need a pigeon with only 2 wheels now
but that's literally in the video already
@@fillman86 I meant like the Gyro-x car
The Noegip!
O_o
Bloo
makes sense to me
Such passionate words, sending this important of a message... We need more of this on this world
Please build a motorcycle in automation
Wow
Also why is making a working steering wheel so much harder then it was before
is it? for me it's the same process
For me the game crashes a lot more than usual. The rotations are different and rotating the wheel in blender doesn't change it at all in beamNG. Also sometimes randomly it loses all of it's materials or they get swapped to different ones.
Make a pigeon motorcycle
But he already did it though...
HAHA bro you need to watch the whole video XD
@@Ferrari255GTO opps didn't watch the whole video, Sorry
@@strawberrymilk9767 no worries it happens to anyone
I want to see this with FWD and rear wheels steering.
haha funny
Bluetooth driveshaft
if the wheel is in the back then its a noegiP
Motorcycle pigeon
Motorcycle pigeon
;) YEP!!
No way fillman
sup?
@@fillman86 sup
Where can I find the mod? What will be the name of it in the BeamNG repository? 🤔
this link was in the description, and it'll be available there probably in the next day or so - www.beamng.com/resources/authors/fillman86.380331/
@@fillman86 Okay, I just looked for it today, but the mod is nowhere to be found yet. I hope it will appear soon.
put a fat rear tire like almost the width of the rear
🤣 Well technically speaking, that wouldn't be hard haha
the reason it tips is that the back wheel is too high
Have you ever heard of the Gyro X?
I had not, looks interesting
yo ahahhaha
is this a beam mp?
sure is
1. Wigeon version?
2. Rear-wheel steering
lol that's a forklift... which I've done before, and they are impossible to drive!!
@@fillman86 I mean.. Forklift certified pigeon doesn't sound too bad.. where can i find it?
Name it the revigeon
bluetooth driveshaft
a smidge
motorcycle
Ibishu Piaggion
The pigeon is real (it is the reliant robin)
but also closer to the piaggio ape
@@fillman86 i never heard of that vehicle but it is very close to it!
@@fillman86the reliant rialto pickup
why dont make it fwr for traction then?
are you okay?
@@fillman86 no
If you dont make a race out of the 2 wheeled pigo I'm gonna be mad >:|
haha I believe he's planning something :P
@@fillman86 OOOO: will you be in it?
Please.
@@TheOfficialMadCat haha maybe, that comes down to muye remembering me :P
How can i play online in Beam ?
look at a mod called "BeamMP" :)
thats a noegip..............
not sure what that is
@fillman86 it's a pigeon backwards,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm can'nt beeleaf your stupidness,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
noegip uhsibi
lol
Release it please 🙏
it's already on the repository waiting for approval. When it's live (probably monday), you'll find it here - www.beamng.com/resources/authors/fillman86.380331/
Hey dude tell your other friend hes a big dummy the pigeons real
are you talking about the Piaggio Ape? He knows, because he's from italy, where it's made
"god damit!" (x1236123)