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How to Compose 1:1 Counterpoint || Tonal Voice Leading 1

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  • This video teaches how to compose a counter melody against a given melody in a 1:1 rhythmic proportion (also known as note-against-note, or first species counterpoint). This was the method that many of the great classical composers used to learn the essentials of voice-leading in Western music, including Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven.
    Examples by Schubert and Salieri 1:53
    A Walkthrough 22:30
    Homework 31:58
    Tonal Voice Leading Playlist:
    • Tonal Voice Leading
    My new counterpoint course on Teach:able
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  • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
    @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    They don’t teach audiation because they can’t grade it. Same has happened in many fields. And thus did accreditation destroy education. You’re a good man for valuing the real over the measurable.

  • @spicysaewookkang
    @spicysaewookkang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Thanks! I have no idea why TH-cam decided to recommend this to a random Korean student who knows absolutely nothing about composition, but anyways I watched the entire thing and I really enjoyed it as a music lover. I never knew music composition is done this precisely and carefully. I think I'll watch more of your videos and expand my knowledge about music composition! Thanks for giving me a first step!

    • @neolyth
      @neolyth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      this comment is amazing

    • @iggykarpov
      @iggykarpov 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      would it not be most incredible if this random event made you change your major and become a composer?👍

  • @Guitar_Wolf
    @Guitar_Wolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Edit: Audiation exercise? Wow, thats worth the price of admission alone.
    At first I thought this was a bit dry, but I was drawn in so deep as it went on. A nice, mellow contrast to the "hyped up" style of most TH-cam videos. Its like a meditation mixed with a lesson... beautiful! Thank you so much!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I expected these videos to get like 12 views, so I designed it to be a resource for teachers or people who want to learn independently. I made it very dry on purpose, and I am still surprised so many people watch it despite that!

    • @Guitar_Wolf
      @Guitar_Wolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JacobGran Haha yeah all good man. The information is gold, honestly. And you put it across in a way that is easily digestible, yet still very thorough and correct . I'm already on suspensions 1. When i strike it rich with my songs, im going to load up your Patreon ✌🏻

  • @davidgerowmusicchannel
    @davidgerowmusicchannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Your speaking style makes it very easy to pay attention to what you're saying. Love it, thank you.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for watching!

  • @kc_jones_gaming
    @kc_jones_gaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Finding gems like this has saved me thousands on lessons and school 😂

  • @thepotatoportal69
    @thepotatoportal69 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    *Notes:*
    - Melodies must be fluent -- 3:08
    - Stepwise motion is more fluent -- 3:59
    - Leap by consonant intervals -- 4:31
    - Leaps >3rds typically should be recovered. This is less important for downward leaps -- 5:07
    - Ending and beginning on degree 1 is restful -- 5:59
    - Melody must have peak a consonant interval from degree 1. This gives melody shape -- 6:44
    - Counterpoints above given melody can begin on degree 1, 3, or 5 -- 8:17
    - The interest comes from the interaction of the melodies 9:07
    - Repeated notes allow listener to listen to other melody, but mustn't be over used 10:04
    - No dissonant harmonic intervals may be used (7ths, 2nds, 5ths) 10:52
    - Perfect consonances can't be used twice in a row because they ruin the flow 11:02
    - Mixing up intervals creates a sense of variety 13:29
    - Contrary motion creates most independence 13:50
    - Direct motion creates less independence, especially parallel motion. Avoid long stretches of parallel motion
    - Oblique motion creates more independence, but listener stops paying attention to unmoving voice. Use only if needed 15:45
    - Unpredictability and variety are important 16:32
    - Direct motion mustn't be used to approach a perfect consonance 16:53
    - A natural followed by sharp is an augmented unison 20:41
    - Give melodies space 24:16
    - Higher than a tenth is unideal 24:30
    - Accentuate the shape of the melody by starting lower 25:37
    - Make sure melodies don't reach high point at the same time 26:06
    - Last things first, first things second, high things third, middle things last 27:20
    - Filling the gaps after a leap makes it sound alright 28:30

  • @paulquantumblues3599
    @paulquantumblues3599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    Thank you for this. I graduated with a masters in music from Stony Brook University, and for some reason they skipped over this. I can write Bach Chorales with ease, analyze all sorts of insanely hard pieces, but I always felt incomplete because I never learned this. It may take some time, but I am going to go through all of these videos. Thank you so much!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      You're welcome! I had a similar experience in my music education, which is why I become obsessed with historical counterpoint for a few years and ended up making these videos.

    • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
      @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Same. It's crazy to teach Schenkerian analysis to someone who hasn't even had basic counterpoint yet.

    • @Reino_X
      @Reino_X 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bach is the master of counterpoint.

    • @musicfriendly12
      @musicfriendly12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah, Bach Chorales ARE counterpoint fundamentally.

    • @ernestogasulla7763
      @ernestogasulla7763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Just curious, how do you "write Bach chorales with ease" if you don't know 1:1 counterpoint?

  • @stephenbrennan4178
    @stephenbrennan4178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Great video, thanks so much Jacob, for anyone else working through the exercises in the PDF, I wrote out some of the notes for lesson for reference:
    Given Melody - Cantus Firmus (8 to 12 notes)
    *****************************
    The fewest possible notes that still give the impression of complete compossion (that can't be broken into seperate parts)
    Want to be able to split attention between two melodies
    Melodic Fluency - Melody takes very little mental effor to keep track of
    - Mostly Stepwise (Allows prediction of changes)
    - Leaps are made by Consonant intervals
    Consonant Leaps:
    - 3rds
    - 4ths (Except for F to B) (4 to 7)
    - 5ths (Except for B to F) (7 to 4)
    - 6ths
    - Octaves
    Dissonant Leaps (Avoid)
    - 7th
    - Aug
    - Dim
    - >Octave
    For any large leaps, they should be followed with a 'Recovered' movement in the opposite direction (Larger than a 3rd) and more important for upward movements than downwards (What goes up, must come down)
    The Cantus Firmus always begins and ends on the root
    *****************************
    Intermediary goal of Melodic Motion, which is far away from the root to ensure seperation from the root notes which begin and end the passage (The Highpoint Consonant)
    When a counterpoint is written above the Cantus, it can begin on scale degrees 1, 3 or 5, if below the cantus it must begin on 1
    The secret to an interesting counterpoint comes from the way the two melodic curves interact, not from either melodies on their own
    Cantus Firmus should not use tone repeatitions, the counterpoint can, but it should be kept to a minimum
    *****************************
    Categorization of counterpoint notes in relation to the Cantus Firmus:
    Perfect Consonances - Unison, 5ths, 8ve
    (Too Stable, avoid using twice in a row, unison only at the start or end)
    Imperfect Consonances - 3rd, 6th, 10th
    (Most useful for this exercise)
    Disonant Consonances - 2nd, 4th, 7th
    (Unstable, gives the impression of repelling the other melody line)
    *****************************
    Types of Motion:
    1. Contrary Motion
    2. Direct Motion
    - Parallel Motion (Same interval in both voices) - Use Sparingly
    - Simular Motion (Same direction, different interval)
    3. Oblique Motion (One voice remains static)
    *****************************
    1:1 Counterpoint Rules:
    1. No Dissonant Harmonic intervals
    2. No Direct Motion to a Perfect Consonance
    *****************************
    Counterpoint BELOW the Cantus
    - Counterpoint must start on the root note
    - Instead of aiming for high note as the goal, aim for a low note
    *****************************

    Tips for Counterpoint creation
    - As counterpoint needs to end on root, place this note first
    - Use contrary motion for the second to last
    - Avoid starting the counterpoint with either
    - a 3rd (too close to the first voice)
    - Anything higher than a 10th
    - Compose in medium sized chunks as opposed to one note at a time
    - Don't have the high points in both voices occur at the same spot
    *****************************

    • @anaghshetty
      @anaghshetty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you so much, this is really helpful!

    • @pjbpiano
      @pjbpiano ปีที่แล้ว

      Not all heroes wear capes! ❤

  • @99zxk
    @99zxk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +608

    I remember reading that Beethoven studied with Salieri for a time. He had a lot of influence on the next generation of composers. It's a shame that Amadeus has created a bad view of him within our modern culture.

    • @paulquantumblues3599
      @paulquantumblues3599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +198

      The view that that movie cast on him was terrible. What happened was Salieri opposed the monarchy at the time, and in retaliation they destroyed his reputation. He was actually friends with Mozart (they composed music together) he sent his daughter to study piano with Mozart, and while Mozart traveled throughout Europe performing he actually performed some of Salieri's music. Whenever I hear Salieri (even if it is a piece I have never heard) I always know that it is him. He had a style all his own. It's sad that it's only been recently that his music is being revived. All that we can take from what happened to him is that politicians sure do suck!

    • @Tempusverum
      @Tempusverum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@paulquantumblues3599 Salieri’s acting was comedy gold

    • @tdswen1
      @tdswen1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@paulquantumblues3599 So the Court Composer opposed the Monarchy? Interesting.

    • @paulquantumblues3599
      @paulquantumblues3599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@tdswen1 Yes, that's what I read. I believe that that is even written on his Wikipedia page. Yes, he and Mozart were somewhat rivals when Mozart first arrived in Vienna, but Mozart was new to Vienna. So, there was going to be competition between him and the established composers, but eventually Mozart and Salieri became friends. Salieri even got Mozart composition jobs, and conducted some of Mozart's works, and vice versa. Revisionist history sucks!

    • @vonpfrentsch
      @vonpfrentsch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@paulquantumblues3599 What did you read? Which language? Everything in english is second choice, only literature in German from solid sources is an evidence, a - bad - movie, from the historic standpoint, is not a clue. Please, do yourself a favor, don´t quote Wikipedia as a source, it´s ridiculous.

  • @Songwriter376
    @Songwriter376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Did this in music theory class many years ago. It was 5 part counterpoint and our teacher had different students singing each different part…it sounded astounding.

  • @drtejashmodi
    @drtejashmodi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Is this video recommendation from TH-cam like a level unlock reward for surviving 2020?
    Searched for such instructions and teaching but never found it before today!
    Thank you, teacher!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thank you, that is very generous!

  • @Trash-Beats
    @Trash-Beats 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You are the best teacher young man I’ve learned alot here in Zimbabwe by your videos

  • @tavinmj
    @tavinmj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    This is god tier content. Thank you so much.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You’re very welcome! Thank you.

  • @WomboBraker
    @WomboBraker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    where have you been all my life. This is amazing

  • @pierfrancescopeperoni
    @pierfrancescopeperoni 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I've been looking for series about counterpoint on TH-cam for a while, and never been stratified until this.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

  • @quailstudios
    @quailstudios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When I studied counterpoint this was the High Point of my musical education. But counterpoint only made sense after I studied harmony for two years. Counterpoint is absolutely essential to good music composition. Good job my friend.

  • @sugarfree1894
    @sugarfree1894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I studied to get into uni to do music and was SO lucky to have a teacher who was able to teach me this stuff; it's optional these days in the UK. It really gave me a firm foundation for all subsequent compositional work.

  • @cambrialayton514
    @cambrialayton514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am two minutes into your video and I am already about to cry tears of relief because I had only taken one semester of music theory before I decided to try out the contrapuntal techniques course. The only prerequisite was diatonic and chromatic harmony, but “A Practical Approach to 18th Century Counterpoint” is full of words and concepts that I’m not familiar with and there are so many of them that I feel like I have to reach for google every two sentences. I’ll reply to this comment after I’ve watched the full video, but I’d just really, really like to thank you for putting this out here.

    • @cambrialayton514
      @cambrialayton514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are an excellent teacher and every bit of information is presented in an easily-digestible way, using metaphors when appropriate and offering definitions for terminology that may be unfamiliar. You did a really excellent job with the instructional portion of this video and I will now go ahead and work on the assignment. Seriously, thank you for making this.

  • @zlapidus
    @zlapidus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    These videos are really phenomenal -- as a jazz pianist I never got this in my curriculum in music school. Although I've done exercises to try improvise over tunes in what amounts to naive, rules-free "free counterpoint," I've always wanted to get beyond my clumsy, mostly instinctual understanding of the way counterpoint actually works and these videos are awesome and an amazing labor of love. Looking forward to following along with all of them. Thank you!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!

  • @tamed4171
    @tamed4171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I did the composition homework you suggested. I think I followed all the rules, but even if I made a mistake I still understand all the concepts and I feel prepared to move on. I am looking forward to continuing and finishing this series

  • @shellerwilliam4221
    @shellerwilliam4221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Check the translation. It's the clearest and the best tutorial . I'v been working counterpoint for four years but at that time Internet didn't exists ....

  • @carlosandres7006
    @carlosandres7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This video is gold. There isn’t another smooth explanation on the web about the subject, it’s easy to grasp if you are new to counterpoint. Thanks!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carlos Andrés glad you liked it!

  • @mitchdepalm
    @mitchdepalm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +437

    “You have to unlock them, by getting to the next level”
    Mans made a video game from studying counterpoint 😂😂😂

  • @alxleiva
    @alxleiva 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Calling Salieri a mediocre lunatic was all I needed to hear to subscribe to your channel.

  • @stangoodspeed
    @stangoodspeed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    this is amazing, thank you for posting this so anyone has a chance to try to learn this for free

  • @oneirdaathnaram1376
    @oneirdaathnaram1376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The audation exercise has implanted into my inner voice an endless composing of melodies. I can't stop it anymore.

  • @shayneoneill1506
    @shayneoneill1506 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Your not wrong about the applicability in general of counterpoint. Most of the jazz greats also studied it, and even in rock and roll, Frank Zappa was a master of very advanced counterpoint (in his 'serious' orchestral he tended towards serialist atonal stuff, but with a very disciplined counterpoint), and he used it extensively in his prog-rock and fusion jazz compositions. This is the secret sauce folks.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh man I haven’t listened to Boulez Conducts Zappa in years. Time to look that up again.

    • @eddieisfiction442
      @eddieisfiction442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up Ted Greene

  • @idletimerap
    @idletimerap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was incredible. I have been introduced to all of these concepts separately but never had them woven together in a way that actually made sense to me.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, glad you got something out of it!

  • @monsterjazzlicks
    @monsterjazzlicks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This video is so amazing. I never even knew of such a teaching system before. It is most excellently presented as well. I have watched it twice today but there are still many elements I failed to grasp. I think I need to spend more time with it . . .

  • @mr88cet
    @mr88cet ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an awesome Counterpoint refresher! Thanks a bunch.
    I’m a Computer Engineer for a living, but waaaay back in the mid-late 1980s, I took the usual Freshman and Sophomore Theory and Ear Training.
    I’ll be retiring soon, and my #1 goal is to “phoenix” my Music life, including (if not especially!) composition. So, this sort of refresher is perfect!
    Thanks again!

  • @roboconnor8079
    @roboconnor8079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a self taught music theory novice this video has added a lot of context to ideas I was already aware of. Very informative and well formatted.

  • @redshiplanding
    @redshiplanding 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's great to be reminded of these fundamental ways to construct separate-and-yet-still-related musical structures that stand as both melodic and harmonic concepts. This makes me want to practice this kind of contrapuntal activity again. Thank you.

  • @skronk8575
    @skronk8575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i love composeing! im not good on the composing but now when i know this... i can FINALLY this

  • @andyisacsson7503
    @andyisacsson7503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is brilliant, after years of struggling with Fux, it’s opened up all the ideas for me- thank you.

  • @suhiihus
    @suhiihus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the best Counterpoint tutorial I have come across with the right amount of analytics, sense and justifications which can shape up great counterpoints !

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @wolfie8748
    @wolfie8748 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Perfect series , love to watch it all!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks a ton!

  • @Kitarraman
    @Kitarraman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I love counterpoint. I started studying it out of personal interest (I wanted to learn the fugue and needed to put down the necessary building blocks), and I've become more competent in writing singable melodies. Not only that, but I've also observed a general improvement in my musical taste.
    It's a pity that the composition teacher at the conservatory where I'm enrolled decided to make it an optional part of the composer's academic curriculum :\
    Great video, BTW

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!

    • @chessematics
      @chessematics 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I came here also to be able to write my own Fugue

  • @jere3558
    @jere3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This gotta be THE single best video regarding 1:1 counterpoint on youtube, that i've seen so far. Incredibly well structured, easy to understand and interestingly moderated. Thank you!

  • @livpalma
    @livpalma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Best tutorial on counterpoint out there by far. Much clearer and much simpler than most books I own and had to read a gazillion times over and over again NOT to understand this fully. Cannot thank you enough!

  • @neosannyasin8022
    @neosannyasin8022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you very, very much, Dr. Jacob Gran! 🙏 Your videos and work are very much appreciated! 🙏

  • @oneirdaathnaram1376
    @oneirdaathnaram1376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oioioi, hats down!
    What an incredibly precise and well explained lesson that is!
    Not one word too much, not one word too few. And sooooo much of unlocked secrets to the art of polyphonic pleasant music!
    Even if I won't compose myself (lacking the time at the moment), it certainly will help me also understand the compositions I sing and play.

  • @davidsummerville351
    @davidsummerville351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great video. I studied counterpoint a few years ago on my own. I'm glad according to your lesson I was doing it correctly! I just subscribed and look forward to watching all your videos. Thanks

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent! Thank you.

  • @rubenfernando2457
    @rubenfernando2457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A pandemic masterpiece my friend. Where I live, this kind of knowledge isn't spread. Even the Fux's gradus ad parnassum isn't complete translated to my language. Luck me I studied english. Thank you Dr. Gran.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are very welcome!

  • @1987emike
    @1987emike 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Fux stated that the beginning needs to express perfection, so seeing Schubert's example you have given I am surprised that the starting interval can be anything other than a perfect consonance. That's something I learned from you. Great video!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, Fux makes it a rule to begin on a perfect consonance in 2-voice counterpoint (^1 or ^5), but with more voices he allows the inner voices to also start on ^3 to form a complete chord. Later composers like Salieri here allow it also in 2-voice counterpoint, so I just wanted to clarify that it is a later adjustment of the rule, not original recipe.

  • @lexiferenczy9695
    @lexiferenczy9695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks so much, this video is a blessing! I am long since obsessed with writing counterpoint but always lacked solid fundamentals, which I can now improve upon.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! When I made these videos I hoped they would be used exactly this way.

  • @MrDaoJones
    @MrDaoJones 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is what I've been missing all my life. Thank you.

  • @lolobuggah2670
    @lolobuggah2670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I love this! Beautifully explained. Great rules! It's like solving a puzzle!

  • @ferni_cup
    @ferni_cup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg I just stumbled on this channel and the content is gold

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much.

  • @Mezilesialan
    @Mezilesialan ปีที่แล้ว

    I am very pleased because I am now learning to compose a second voice to the song melodies I play. I shake your hand . Thank you. Alan

  • @bogdiworksV2
    @bogdiworksV2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm not a musician or a music student, just a music lover, but you explained this real well. Thanks for putting it out there.

    • @dickrichard626
      @dickrichard626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just get a DAW and start messing around. 😅

  • @tonyping2262
    @tonyping2262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A really instructive and helpful video tutorial for first-year music students on music theory Counterpoint using a Cantus Firmus! It was really easy to follow along even as a second year student !

  • @alainvosselman9960
    @alainvosselman9960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One time i thought about creating a jazz piece after playing many standards. I was thinking to use this approach as i don't even know about a good approach. Never knew this is actually used. Glad to come across this. I've already made a piece but i wanted it to sound richer in chords and voice movement. Thanks for making this kind of video.

  • @flopasen
    @flopasen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for mixing the theory with the art and ensuring that the student has vision of a pragmatic approach

  • @charliebruber
    @charliebruber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jake!!! Just happened upon your channel. I hope you’re well. I’m thrilled to see you making these videos.

  • @HumbleNewMusic
    @HumbleNewMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you Dr. Gran for all your lessons, tutorials...!! I'm learning a whole lot... Looking forward to more...

  • @helenclough4926
    @helenclough4926 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, Jacob. This is explained in a way that is easily understood. 🎶

  • @carlosrodriguez414
    @carlosrodriguez414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't imagine a better video of it's kind in understanding this topic. Much
    Thanks.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much!

  • @user-ms3yt3sq5h
    @user-ms3yt3sq5h 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    カウンターポイントの理論体系に興味深い内容が多々有ります、勉強法を教わりありがとう御座います。

  • @maksimivanov5417
    @maksimivanov5417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's incredibly useful, thanks!

  • @awakenedsoulproductions
    @awakenedsoulproductions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was fantastic! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @laurentlouisducourretgravereau
    @laurentlouisducourretgravereau 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bonsoir Jacob Gran, je lis comme tout le monde l'intitulé de votre post, ou vous mentionnez directement que de nombreux grands compositeurs classiques ont créer des contrepoints musicaux.
    je vous cite, Haydn, Mozart et Beethoven .....très justement et vous avez raison de les mentionner.
    En revanche, là ou je trouve un oublie incroyable voir incompréhensible de votre part, c'est que vous ne mentionnez pas le plus grand des compositeurs classique qui justement a bâti finalement presque toute sa carrière sur le contre-point, je veux parler de JOHAN SEBASTIAN B.A.C.H !!!!
    je crois honnêtement Jacob Gran, qu'il serait nécessaire de rectifier cet oubli majeur. Un organiste et mélomane.
    Laurent

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh yes, I certainly agree that Bach is one of the all-time greats of counterpoint. The reason I didn't mention him in that particular sentence was because I was referring not just to counterpoint, but specifically to the pedagogical tradition of species counterpoint. Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum was published in the middle of Bach's career, and there is no evidence that he taught using the species method that I demonstrate in this video. I am currently making videos teaching canon and fugue, and believe me, there will be plenty of Bach!

    • @laurentlouisducourretgravereau
      @laurentlouisducourretgravereau 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JacobGran merci d'avoir eu l'amabilité de me répondre, certes, ce que vous dites n'est pas faux, je souhaiter seulement vous sensibiliser à ajouter à votre petite liste des compositeurs, le compositeur qui me semblait être le plus important dans votre sujet. Tant pis pour Jean Sébastien Bach, je suis navré pour lui, je n'aurai pas su le porter ici pour toute son œuvre..... je bénis Félix Mendelshon, qui grâce à lui, le Maestro JS.BACH n'est pas tombé dans l'oubli.
      Belle soirée, navré de vous avoir dérangé pour si peu.
      Amitiés, Musicales
      Laurent

  • @mohammadkharazi6598
    @mohammadkharazi6598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i couldn't find a counterpoint tutorial better than this
    thanks a lot man👍👏

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're welcome!

  • @SAZIZMUSIC
    @SAZIZMUSIC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    May god bless you abundantly .... one of the best tutorial i have seen in youtube. This will help me to arrange music immensely .. thank you from the bottom of my heart❤❤

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, thank you!

    • @SAZIZMUSIC
      @SAZIZMUSIC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JacobGran Welcome 🤗🤗

  • @paulmdevenney
    @paulmdevenney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why does this only have 68K views? Excellent clear presentation. Fantastic work

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the kind words. But within the last ten hours it has shot up to 87k now... I don't know what the TH-cam algorithm is doing but I like it.

  • @matthewking1873
    @matthewking1873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a superb counterpoint lesson. Bravo!

  • @irenewills3638
    @irenewills3638 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I understand what never understood when I was taking counterpoint as a vocal student! Thanks!!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome!

  • @sacrumsonus8548
    @sacrumsonus8548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this content. I know you hear it all the time but this is so incredibly useful and inspiring.

  • @BigParadox
    @BigParadox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This tutorial is exactly what I need. Very clear and easy to follow. Thanks.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome!

  • @alexismontel2084
    @alexismontel2084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very great tuto , Counterpoint ways are not easy to explain clearly, congrats from France 👍😉🇫🇷

  • @maxponsetis1948
    @maxponsetis1948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    absolutly clear and precise thanks for sharing blessings from France

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

  • @LeDrummerDu88
    @LeDrummerDu88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If only i saw this video 10 years earlier... !! Thanks man

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome!

  • @annmanning1655
    @annmanning1655 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a fascinating video,although a little out of my depth, what I’ve learned was enlightening,thankyou

  • @MuikegaMusician
    @MuikegaMusician 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    exellent presentation and explain on the topic. Thank you so much!!!

  • @blacksmithpiano
    @blacksmithpiano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don’t even need this tutorial since I don’t compose, but I’ll still watch all the ads and the video since it seems very interesting

  • @SergioRodriguez-zd6le
    @SergioRodriguez-zd6le 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best teacher in conservatory.

  • @manikraina2154
    @manikraina2154 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful lesson.Really like the way the motion of the melody affects an overall change in emotion too.While composing I constantly find a challenge to naturally come up with a phrase that feels complete and this solves that to a great extent.Thank you for your time and effort.

  • @josemarquez950
    @josemarquez950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for making such a lucid and generous explanation.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome! Glad it was helpful.

  • @LuukSwinkels
    @LuukSwinkels 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best playlist for big brain theory I have ever seen holy flip

  • @rodrigomino6426
    @rodrigomino6426 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much Dr. Gran for such a great video... by far the best lesson on counterpoint on youtube..!

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you like it!

  • @colbyashenfelter7069
    @colbyashenfelter7069 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just started going through the exercises in Gradus ad Parnassum and this is a great help. Thank you!

  • @balbino4
    @balbino4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very very very very good!
    Thank you very much!

  • @jz4901
    @jz4901 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and presentation! Such a clear breakdown of a tough topic. Your analysis of the examples was great, and added to what I was missing from Fux. I'll work through this and then re-apply your thoughts to Fux part one. And your insistence on audiation is **just killer** and is so necessary. Thank you very much! (ps - You wrote in another comment that you expected this vid to get 12 views. Closing in on one million. Well deserved)

  • @danielultra9695
    @danielultra9695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great content. Thanks for putting this up.

  • @ferdinandgommers2430
    @ferdinandgommers2430 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much! First time that i ever heard of this knowledge, really interesting of how deep the thought is in composing.

  • @gregorygow5445
    @gregorygow5445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this tutorial! I played one of The Counterpoint 1:1 Melodies and it felt awesome! I took Harmony Classes in College Of San Mateo so this video was just to refresh myself on the things that I’ve learned in that class! Thank You so much!

  • @boyisun
    @boyisun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you Dr Gran! Great video!
    I found that in different counterpoint classes and counterpoint textbooks, the rules for Species counterpoint are always little bit different.
    For example, I was taught that in all five species of Fux's strict two-part counterpoint, the first harmonic interval of an exercise can only be a unison, a fifth or an octave. So I wasn't allowed to start with a third like in 8:28 .
    I was also forbidden from using repeated notes like in 10:09 , since it might interrupt the flow of melody.
    I was also taught to avoid too many leaps or skips in a row. So B-D-G-B at 9:44 wouldn't be ideal.
    Voice-crossing in 18:02 (the first two semibreves) was also not allowed in my class.
    Segment repetition such as the repeated D-C#-D-F at 21:17 was also needed to be avoid if possible.
    We also had some horizontal rules about melody writing. For example we couldn't use any melodic intervallic diminution of a tritone interval such as F-G-A-B at 31:18 .
    Our Cantus Firmi were given in the six church modes (but no Locrian) instead of the natural major and harmonic minor scales. And we were taught not to raise the seventh scale degree in any minor modes except when the seventh degree is the penultimate note of the phrase.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      孙博一 I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve been exploring historical counterpoint textbooks for the last year, and I was surprised how much variation there is in the “strictness” of strict counterpoint. In this video I tried to convey which are the “hard” rules (no dissonances) and which rules were softer (we should avoid note repetitions, but they are not forbidden). I also tried to summarize the reasons why the rules are the way they are. It felt weird for me to allow the counterpoint to begin on ^3, but I decided that it doesn’t interfere with the goal of what we are trying to teach, which is tonal voice leading. Plus when we reach three voice counterpoint, we will be able to begin on a complete triad. The ecclesiastical modes also don’t add anything towards achieving that pedagogical goal, and the majority of textbooks after Fux base their instruction in major and minor.

    • @boyisun
      @boyisun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Dr @@JacobGran, Thank you for replying me! Is it possible that Schubert was not writing strict counterpoint?
      I've only discovered your channel today. So I'm a very new subscriber to your Channel, and I've just found out that you've made a series of video on species counterpoint on your channel before. For this new series of video, are you going to teach freer counterpoint (such as the sort of counterpoint used in Romantic period music)? And is that the reason why you chose to use Schubert's writing instead of someone from Renaissance or Baroque period such as Fux or Bach?

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      孙博一 Yes actually! In this new series, which may take a while, I’m going to go through combined species counterpoint in three voices and then also harmony. The goal is to explain tonal voice leading, everything from Bach to Brahms, so I’m trying to stay in the middle between strict and free counterpoint. The other counterpoint videos I made only went through 2 voices and were based on Fux’s strict approach.

  • @oli__lange
    @oli__lange 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thanks for the instructional videos. even though it's counterpoint, you can apply the rules to rock and metal riffs.
    since i know the rules, my riffs seem much more musical and catchy.

  • @willydeangelis699
    @willydeangelis699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video!! Please keep them coming. You're an amazing teacher, thanks so much for sharing the knowledge!

  • @MrKittles1123
    @MrKittles1123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastic content. This is so thorough and step by step, and also very well-paced. It’s everything I want from such a tutorial, and nothing more. I greatly appreciate this, and am about to begin the follow up! Thank you.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you like it!

  • @MrMeap6
    @MrMeap6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nice explanation.
    Regarding Shubert's showing off, it may actually be more than just an invertible melody, since he actually just reversed the cantus firmus, with the exception of the two C# in the middle.
    Salieri's line: D E F D a e F D C# D,
    Schubert's counterpoint(s): D C# D F c#(d) c# D F E D.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a cool point; I hadn't noticed that partial retrograde! Alfred Mann argues that Schubert was really chomping at the bit to study advanced fugal and canonic techniques with Salieri, but Salieri only wanted to focus on the fundamentals of non-imitative counterpoint. Mann doesn't give this as an example, but it certainly supports his argument.

  • @donofdeaths
    @donofdeaths 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know how to write music at all but here I am watching this.

  • @Pablo_Anunnaki
    @Pablo_Anunnaki ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful. I recently decided to learn music formally. Bach and Vivaldi are my favorites, but my music is between ambient and instrumental. Thanks for the quality info. Greetings from Bolivia.

  • @southpark5555
    @southpark5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This certainly is indeed a very good counterpoint tutorial. I think I agree with Trey ---- it probably is the best counterpoint tutorial. I've seen quite vague videos before about counterpoint. This one makes sense for sure. Thanks very much Jacob. The part at 18:34 - mention of 'mediocre lunatic' is somewhat harsh.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you. And I agree that calling him a mediocre lunatic was very harsh. It was intended as a joke about the depiction of Salieri in the movie Amadeus, but I didn't make that clear enough. The real Salieri was a master composer and, as far as I know, well liked by everyone.

    • @southpark5555
      @southpark5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JacobGran haha! No problem at all Jacob! Thanks for mentioning the link to the Amadeus movie!!

  • @josephthomascomposer
    @josephthomascomposer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tutorial on counterpoint and you explained it excellently. I love the sarcasm about Salieri. "A mediocre lunatic."

  • @Datacustic
    @Datacustic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing this knowledge, clear like a crystal ❤

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @DavidFick
    @DavidFick 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jacob, you are a brilliant teacher. My only objection to how species counterpoint is taught is its disproportionate reliance upon a lower-voice CF. Among other things, it allows the teacher to exert undue influence over the outcome in the upper-voice counterpoint . If counterpoint students were expected to complete first through third species exercises BELOW a CF (say, a phrase from a Bach chorale, but expressed as whole notes) they would gain a better sense of how the counterpoint behaves in a tonal context (I DO realize that species counterpoint is intentionally "non-tonal" in its expectations, but considering the wealth of future counterpoint that composers will write that are rooted in functional harmony, I guess what I'm suggesting is a top-down approach to TONAL counterpoint that's based in species 1-3). You're an excellent teacher. Keep up the great work. Do you feel that my assertion that species counterpoint pedagogy disproportionately favors a lower-voice CF in general?

  • @Lopfff
    @Lopfff 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the little jab at the movie character around 18:50. “…mediocre lunatic.”

  • @christopherheckman7957
    @christopherheckman7957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I look forward to the rest of the series, as well as your other videos.

  • @otv88
    @otv88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks so much for the video. By far the best explanation I’ve seen on the Tubes. Learned so much in one sitting...nicely done.

  • @itsgoubie
    @itsgoubie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, thank you and thank you. Exactly what I was looking for, explained exactly the way I wanted for it to be explained.

    • @JacobGran
      @JacobGran  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @itsgoubie
      @itsgoubie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JacobGran still helpful 6 months later and I'm sure it'll still be helpful 6 months from now