He also got sued by the state of washington for violations of the consumer protection act... which is a really nice and expensive way of saying "Took advantage of people." Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..............
1:02 Professions where psychopathy gives a competitive advantage: surgeon, CEO, lawyer, media personality, sales. Some other notable professions: politician, police officer. Positions that give a person a lot of power are attractive to psychopaths. I think less so for people on the autism spectrum.
I wondered why the entertainment industry was always full of so many deeply defective people, and I think I figured it out. It's all based on subjective approval from others. If you want to be the fastest runner in the world, you can set a great time and have it compared, it's objective. But if you want to be the top model or actor? You just have to win over a bunch of people subjectively. Psychopaths can't magic their way into objective accomplishments. But they can charm, sabotage and manipulate others, to the top of any field that is primarily subjective. So it is probably almost guaranteed those fields will be dominated by psychopaths. Because when a psychopath and a non-psychopath compete for the same thing, the psychopath has no limiters. They'll go after the persons family, use violence, coercion, bribery, or whatever it takes to eliminate their competitor.
@@DustinRodriguez1_0 that's an interesting observation. Regardless of whether or not it's objectively true, it does raise a valid point that some professions seem more likely to have a higher than average number of psychopaths 😅
Thanks so much for this. I'm also suffering chronic illness and anxiety that is at least partly physical (neurological issues). Ive recently been kind of worried about this, and you helped me understand some things and allay many of my fears. You never fail to entertain or educate.
Thanks for promoting awareness of autism. My son is on the spectrum, although labeled as "high functioning" but there are just some things that make me crazy, though I know I have to accept it. Mostly it is the fact that he seems to lack empathy, and can't put himself in someone else's shoes. Recently even had a test in school in reading class and couldn't figure it out. I had to reach out to the teacher when I reviewed to try to explain he just can't do these exercises. I encourage anyone in this situation to work with their teachers. Other than that, he is fairly "normal". My best advise is to listen, observe - recognize strengths and weaknesses and work within those boundaries. But my son is still a great kid. He knows right from wrong and is fearful of falling out of line. I know a lot of folks have it worse then me and it can be sooooooo frustrating. But try to find the positive, where they thrive and exploit that as best as possible. I know it isn't easy. Not sure why I'm rambling now. I guess I saw the title and felt sad that comparing someone on the spectrum to a psychopath needed to be explained. That is so unfortunate cause I don't see them related at all. But I applaud you Dave for spreading awareness and addressing some of these misconceptions. Keep up the good work, and I truly hope you've found peace and love with those around you. From my outside view, it seems like you have thrived and had a great life, even though it might have taken additional effort. Thanks for all your contributions and I hope you enjoy your retirement with your loved ones.
I appreciated your thoughts on this. Very interesting topic. It hits me on a personal level as I try to understand why other people are different than myself. Appreciate your insights.
Fascinating video. An experienced programmer trying to explain what happens in an immensely complex operating system when it presents certain errors caused by faulty hardware that causes certain system calls to fail; and how it differs from another similar but distinct bug in the same OS.
Whew! I'm an aspie, but at least i'm not anywhere near a psychopath! But, I certainly know a lot of them. Unfortunately, a lot of them were bosses, co-workers, a parent, and even some politicians.
As a low-support-needs, high-masking AuDHDer, I really, REALLY appreciate your videos. I find your stuff most relatable of all the autism content on TH-cam. Thank you for speaking up.
that makes me think of a really good point, describing masking sounds a lot like describing psychopathy if you don't know the differences, this might actually be a more important resource than i thought. i generally don't like thinking about the weird or awkward things i end up doing when trying to mask or appease allistics, but being able to more easily distill what it actually is, helps.
Hey Dave, I am right now reading your book "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire" - and what a great read it is! A MUST-have for everyone on the spectrum and all around!
The big difference that stands out for me is the empathy for others. My understanding is that psychopaths are just entirely incapable of feeling that empathy, though they can logically read and fake it. On the other hand, people on the spectrum can be deeply empathetic. But outwardly it can look like that's not the case because we have such a hard time reading how others feel. I usually don't ever know when I've hurt someones feelings, which I seem to do it quite often. I generally find it quite confusing when I discover I've hurt someone. But I'll also end up agonizing and obsessing about it for days. I think another big difference is the expression of emotion. Psychopaths express all kinds of emotion, it's just exclusively ego-centric for them. But I think people have as hard of a time reading the emotions of someone on the spectrum as we have reading the emotions of others. People will often "read" all kinds of different emotions from me that I'm just not experiencing. They like think I'm angry or upset when I'm just excited (because I get loud), and then they are super upset at me (which is doubly confusing because I'll be sitting there having a great time.) I think the best thing I've done for myself is communicate openly about autism to my coworkers and friends. At least it gives me a fighting chance rather than people just making assumptions.
It is alot of work to repeatedly reassess how your actions corresponded to other peoples emotional responses. Psychopaths will always find an easier way to keep or improve their social standing while getting whatever they want out of the situations. IME autists will tend to sort of step back when they become aware they have been flying blind for a bit too long or far, with a desire to understand and take responsibility for their part in what has happened that well exceeds their desire to leave their broader social standing unmarred. Heaven help you if you are also borerline or something and have to fight past your own intense feelings and myopic desperation for them the be acknowledged, in order to take the steps to repair relationships that mean alot to you. Perceived abandonment can really make you an irrational and self-destructive being.
That's exactly what defines psychopathy (both clinical and subclinical): lack of empathy. Autism has nothing to do with that: they are just bad at social interactions bc of "excess of inner world" but they generally have normal empathy (i.e. they do feel other's pain or emotions in general... if they can pay attention to what's happening around them).
I heard about a study on incarcerated psychopathic criminals that showed they could be taught to understand or experience empathy. But I think it remained something they could choose to ignore if they wanted.
@@cat-le1hf - You can have a theory of mind (psychological understanding) and no empathy. Empathy is about feeling with the other, not about understanding the thoughts of the other. That's why psychopaths can be so manipulative, because they do have a theory of mind (they're intelligent humans after all) but do not feel your pain as their own (lack of empathy, callousness).
Psychopathy is an evaluative disorder. Autism is a processing disorder. Psychopathy is pre-narrative feedback (changes the “voice” in the mind) and autism is post-narrative feedback (is in a part of processing where the “voice” in the mind impacts it).
Psychopathy is lack of empathy, not of social connection (psychopaths are often excellent manipulators). Autism is totally unrelated, it's lack of easy interest in interaction, excess of "inner world" but not of empathy.
@@user-fed-yum Ok, not sure how you got this from either the video or the comment. He literally ends by saying "autism and psychopathy are independent variables which means you can in fact be an autistic psychopath". So it feels like you either A. didn't actually watch/pay attention to the video or B. paid attention and don't understand what 'independent variables are'. Maybe some overly literal thinking in my comment here but honestly, this just feels like you wanted to pick a fight over words you put into this commenter and this video's creators mouth. Not only did they not say whatyou claimed but they actually both explicitly agreed with you
There's the AQ test online an in some books, I found it in one of Temple Grandin's books. It's no more than indicative. Simon Baron-Cohen's control group scored 16.4, I scored 35. NHS has a useful list of traits, they fit me pretty well.
Thanks for your episodes on spectrum awareness. I feel that I myself have an undiagnosed spectrum status, but a few of my children definitely are on it. I hope to speak to my son (diagnosed with Asperger's) and show him some of your episodes as a way of him seeing how the two worlds interact. As people on the spectrum defiantly have to intentionally resolve the difference between the world that exists for them and the one that exists for everyone else.
Dave this was a great video, coincidentally I'm reading Canadian novelist Robert J. Sawyer 'Quantum Nigh' a 2016 science-fiction thriller using many of these same items as plot devices in the story.... thank you for great efforts and continue on.
That was interesting and helpful, and seemed honest. I am struggling to better understand a family member and was hoping to gain further insight from this video. Success!
As an ADHD explosive anger from irritability is quite understandable. Prob why I’ve had probs functioning in group settings (work) until I started meds.
Thank you for your videos, they have made me question myself as I feel identified with so many situations you describe and maybe your videos gave a reason for things that I didn’t have an explanation for. Thank you for sharing your experience
Mega appreciate your putting thought into persons with psychopathy traits and with autism. . Am taking a good look at what that one percent might look like as it's personally quite relevant. I not only live with pretty severe high-functioning autism, but also a lot of neglect and lack of parental attunement. Was left in pretty sad shape, now in my forties I'm putting pieces together, in particular I tend to be anxious and fearful, and ruled by phobias. Now that I've addressed those, my fear response is unbelievable. When I'm highly focused on a podcast playing on my Air Pods, my bf has snuck up on me and scared me to the point I've almost thrown hands at him, but once I confirm there's no threat, I can just continue without even accelerated heart rate. Like, I almost drowned tubing in a river but the emergency kayak rescued me. I could feel myself sinking and forced myself to relax and extend my limbs.I didn't even take on my awater breathing. I just got back on my tube, it was the start of the trip and we'd had to hike half an hour to get to the start.
Wonderful video, thank you. I closely agree with all of your conclusions (I know, who cares...lol). I myself have tried out "glib charm" for a few seconds precisely 3 times in my 71 years of life. In all three cases, I successfully pulled it off (convinced the recipient that I was sincere), but all three remain to this day the most shameful acts I have ever committed. I am so honest that it regularly affects my life in what most would consider "stupid" ways, but I won't, cannot, have it any other way.
Dave, I probably used much of your code over the years. I was among the first to get a BSCS ( Boston University, 1981) using PC-DOS for most projects. We wrote our own Pascal compiler for the PC and used a DecSystem 10 the rest of the time. BTW, we were too lazy to write a linker, it compiled straight to executable. We always wondered if Borland stole it.
Very thought provoking video. I think many people on the spectrum have a fairly binary sense or morality and therefore as well as being bad at lying tend to avoid it on the basis of being on the immoral end of the spectrum. In terms of not taking responsibility I think there's also the issue that accepting responsibility (IE accepting fault) can feel quite destabilising (at least if it's within a relationship) and therefore as well as not "getting" why the other person is upset the individual with AS(D) might also not want to accept that they've done something that might conceivably have rocked the boat. And they may therefore minimise the impact their behaviour has had in order to avoid destabilisation and all the scary stuff that can be associated with it. Outside of a relationship (when there's less riding on it) I suspect taking responsibility is much easier- going back to the binary morality / not telling lies.
Covering psychopathy covers sociopathy. A psychologist explained the difference as psychopaths are born while sociopaths are made. Neither have anything to do with Autism.
@@VintageTechNerd Yea, but a lot of people on the spectrum don't express their emotions outwardly. At least not in ways neurotypical people can easily read. So we sometimes come off as cold and unfeeling when it's really the opposite.
To me it was also surprising but incrementally I found out that in day to day life & communication, it is actually very easy to mix them up. Thinking logically about it, however, it becomes very clear because of a thing that Dave described/explained so well in this video: Theory of Mind. Psychopaths & Narcissists or any manipulative person will almost always know what you find believable and naturally will act in a way that will make their "I'm an autist"-message as believable to you as possible. So, in a twisted sense it is actually trivial to see why people may confuse autism with other "disorders". To be honest, in Dave's case as well as a few other cases, I feel like "disorder" is a stupid choice of wording. I see it rather as a gift, which is probably mainly due to the people around me, that have autism, being mathematically gifted or giften in engineering/programming. It is admirable.
@@creatorofimages7925 Let's say it is a gift. Sometimes just being given a gift without having to work for it is actually not so much of a gift. It is like when you have to chop down your own firewood, you get warmed twice. Having to put forth effort because you are not gifted, has its benefits of also helping you grow in virtue. Discipline in learning and training is a virtue as is patience on your path toward arriving at a difficult to achieve goal. There are many benefits to struggling to achievement that a gifted person is robbed of. So, it is not necessarily a good thing and perhaps not as much of a gift as many might think.
@@creatorofimages7925 Autism is *LITERALLY* a developmental disability. Savantry has literally NOTHING AT ALL to do with autism, and assuming we're all geniuses is ableist at best, eugenics at worst. You clearly do not have autism if you "see it as a gift." Being completely blinded and agitated by fluorescent lights is not a gift. Being unable to comprehend the coded language You Allistics (VERY DEROGATORY) use is not a gift. Executive dysfunction, memory and communication issues, and constant sensory problems are not gifts. These are disabilities I have BECAUSE OF AND AS A PART OF my autism, by definition. I'm not """gifted,""" I'm literally disabled, and "people" like you spouting this "gift" BS are Literally The Entire Reason people like myself can't get the resources and help we need. So kindly STFU
I myself must be a funktional autistic person. I have learned over time how to react in certain situations, a kind of autopilot you Can say. It works ok, unless i run in to a situation not tried before. Then i just dont know how to react. Social integrations with feelings, That is The worst. Then i go to auto, No real emotions. I just process The situation in realtime and try to behave normal. I do have a Big temper, throw stuff around, No sence of time, sucks to get to work in time without an alarm telling when to leave for work. But also have a Big IQ, sence of details, a keen sence of faireness, know science, electronic, and it stuff as an tech engineer. So i guess there is some psykopatic behavior is in us all. Feelings are tough to Understand. You make a great Channel, hard stuff made easy to Understand 😊
That "learning how to react" is called masking, and it's something that high-functioning autists have to develop through time, experience, and conscious work. And it *takes* conscious work to keep a mask up, which is why being in social situations and acting "normal" can be so freaking exhausting for us. Being able to mask is extremely helpful when it comes to navigating the world, so it's good to be able to do, you just need to be aware that it is a thing, and that it makes your brain tired and you need to be good for yourself and take a break from it when you have to.
@@robjones3818 exhausting indeed. In Denmark we have a saying “I Need a grandad”. Between the Lines, we Understand you need to grab a nap. i need that After work, every Day. To power up my brain i like to walk in The forest all by my self, or with a dog. And Call me Wird, But i like to do it by Night as Well. There i get New ideas to my Books, novells, inventions, and without it my stress levels would kill me.
Thank you keep explaining everything im detail. I too have autism traits. Or plain autism. I don't know. Experts have had there views on me. This video really was spot on.
@DavesGarage Is there an audiobook of your book available? I like to listen to books on my long drives. Yours should be a perfect addition to my library.
I'm not autistic and, FWIW, I must say I got surprised to hear that some people think there are general similarities between autists and psychopats. Thanks for the insight!
I'm an Aspie myself and at first I thought to myself that Dave has really nailed down modulating his voice naturally. In this episode I "cracked it" and found his pattern. Now I can't un-hear it :P
Hello Dave, thank you so much for making videos on Autism. I am in the process of getting diagnosed myself and relate to alot of your stories. Just want to add that I think autistics can be intentionally manipulative if they're good at masking, as it's pretty much the same as acting. They can also be good at deceiving if they have the socializing experience and intellect required to do so. I think Tony Attwood touches on this on one of this books, he calls it the "ill intentioned Aspie". On another note - Thank you so much for the free book and resources, but please don't use AI imagery to promote them as it harms artists. Being an artist myself, it makes me very sad to see you use it. I'd love to collaborate with you for book covers and designs as illustration and graphic design are my profession and special interests :)
Dr House highlighted it perfectly in one of the episodes what a psychopath is, or rather why a person is so. When he placed a psychopath under MRI scanner the brain area where emotions are processed didn't lit up, in other words did not able to process empathy for others. Empathy is the feeling you get when some is experiencing pain (physical or emotional) because you have experienced it before. Empathy is that, whereas sympathy is only the logical part of it. People with Asperger's do experience empathy like others but we might get things a bit confused (social misunderstandings), AKA double-empathy-problem, whereas psychopaths have ZERO feelings/emotions, so that is BIG difference and therefore must not be confused for being the same. Reason I love dogs so much is that they are basically emotional beings with extraordinary capability for empathy for other beings (including people with Asperger's). Not so strange since we humans have domesticated and breed this genetical properties. We humans could learn a thing or two from our four-legged-friends.
The overt stimulation you prefer is so interesting to me. I myself use an opposite and yet similar method of either gentle noise or soft instrumental music to help me focus by blocking out external stimulation. I don't even notice the sound, I'm guessing its much like you probably don't notice the visuals once you get "in the zone" The cacophony of visual stimuli while fun, would keep me from being productive at all. The brain is so weird,
Before I watch more than 5 seconds, I must say that the opening music with the animation effects gave me an wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey-wibes. And now... back to the content.
As an autistic people myself, people sometimes think that im psychopath on first impression, purely because my face doesnt show any emotion outside of laughter.
I’d be more concerned if you were autopathic, or, heaven forbid have psychtism. In summary, you’re an interesting fellow, successful and are doing things for others so good on you Dave. Great channel
Logically reasoning, I'd think that the traits related to autism are in such a stark contrast to traits relating to psychopathy that it would be near impossible to have an autistic psychopath. But then, neither are learnt behavior. Both are physical differences in the brain (as far as I know...) so one doesn't exclude the other. As you said, being on the spectrum does make psychopathic traits less effective, thankfully. Thank you for this analyses!
Just as many neurotypicals think that autistic people are psychopaths, I often think that they are psychopaths. In the end though, it is most likely just the difference of how our brains work and that we can't refer to the other's internal experience. We are both empathetic, just in different ways that don't mesh with each other.
Hi Dave, when I first saw your videos, i was thinking „what a strange guy“, maybe pushed by my hate-love with MS products. But when I heard that we have very basic stuff in common, I started to view your YT work differently. I‘m now 61 and share my „strange behavior“ with my kids and my grandson. Just today we had to endure the tome until the 3yo‘s brain was locking into normal clock speed again. Took me 55y to understand how such a brain (mine) works. But after long time (and because I have a very mild version) I somehow grew out of it.
I have a highly intellectual variant of OCD which used to force me to stare at text and count the letters, I also had some psychopathic behaviours before my teens but that went away. I seem to have at least some characteristics of autism so I believe that OCD and autism have some mechanisms in common. I am very technical which forces me to be very honest (no misinterpretation of what I see or understand) and I am a more and more a caring person who improvised myself into a nutritionist so I can keep my now 85 year old mother who is mildly diabetic and has a mild form of MS healthy and the diabetis specialist she sees annually confirms that her tests show my mom is eating what she should be eating.
I do have unrealistic goals, but it is usually something related to my special interest. I have been designing the "perfect programming language" for years now. It is of course an impossible goal, and even in the best light overly ambitious. But really it is just an outlet for my philosophizing about correct methods for software engineering.
Except neurotypical people hear the phrase "the perfect programming language" as "the programming language that works just the way I like best myself", so don't worry, they're not going to get out their notes and give you a pshyco check mark over that one :P
My life goal is to read an entire library. I read obsessively. I work on it everyday. Other than that I hope to live my life quietly. Work, eat, sleep and meet my mini day goals of hygiene and self care. I am burnt out from masking and am very introverted so I feel these goals are reasonable and bring me joy.
I'm neither a psychopath nor autistic, but I too am just a guy trying to navigate a world that doesn't make sense to him. This is compounded by the fact that I am married with two teen-aged daughters. Anytime I think I develop my own concept of mind, the rules change and I have to start over.
I'm probably on the "invisible" part of the spectrum. I've spent many hours considering the similarities and differences of ASD and psychopathy/sociopathy, especially the implications of the fact that neither has been selected out of the human gene pool. At the individual level, the most extreme manifestations of both (with the notable exception of rape-oriented psychopathy) would probably be selected against, however it seems that it's beneficial to a population as a whole to have a small number of individuals with both traits, so it seems likely that populations with people who demonstrate mild to moderate forms of the traits and people who carry latent genes to ensure this carries forward would do better than other populations. It's probably a bit too simplistic to say that psychopath=leader/surgeon and autist=inventor/engineer/archivist, but at the same time there may well be some truth to it. Of course, that raises the question why the percentages of both (at least the most extreme manifestations) seem to be limited to the low single digits, and why we don't have populations where either have taken over. There are obviously exceptions (think monasteries, armies, and prisons) where populations are assembled through artificial (not natural) selection where the percentages can be very far out of whack, but naturally-created populations seem to have roughly the same percentages everywhere. The most extreme autistic traits are probably self-limiting, but I don't see a similar self-limiting mechanism for psychopathy. It might just be that in a population with too many psychopaths there aren't enough people to actually do the work (i.e. too many parasites), kind of like how there are so many Libertarian Tech Bro steading experiments that have gone sideways. Or it might just simply be that the non-psychopath 99% is enough to keep the 1% psychopath under control and prevent it from spreading.
Keep in mind, selection pressures can be positive, negative, or neutral. Further, such a selection isn't toward the best or the fittest, it is just towards the good enough to survive. Basically, having a trait is only a negative pressure if it prevents you from "getting it on" to pass your genes. This is a much lower threshold than most would consider in the broader population of a species. If you're a bit odd compared to your counterparts, that may not matter all that much if you're able to reach that low bar.
One of the lighting gizmos in the background is sound reactive to his voice. I found myself paying attention to it over what he was saying once I noticed it.
It's the Daft Punk helmet I built! ESP32. The fire lamps are also sound reactive but I put them in non-reactive modes while recording so as not to be even more distracting :-)
As someone who definitely has autism and according to a few tries at psychopathy tests possibly has that too, my issue is ultimately that, for the most part, these distinctions are defined in hindsight and in many cases are just a statement on ethics, an issue that becomes glaringly obvious once we realize that Psychopathy is more of a legal therm than a psychological one, and gets muddied even further with the relatively recent distinction of "Primary" and "Secondary" psychopathy. To go down the list bit by bit: -A Parasitic Lifestyle is obviously not a great position and I'd feel bad taking one on, sure, but ultimately anyone who gets stuck in one as you acknowledge will be indistinguishable from someone who could get out but is a good liar. A psychopath is likely not to feel bad for doing so, but how much of this lack of remorse is simply due to resenting the person they're being parasitic towards in particular? Full disclosure, I'm living with my mother, with whom I don't have a great relationship. I pay $600 a month in rent and do a good deal of work about the place, so I don't have much reason for guilt in doing so, but I'm also not terribly sure I'd feel guilty if I stopped so much as just scared she'd kick me to the streets. There are certain parts of housework that I've just stopped attending to. She has a lot of animals that like to... Excrete wherever they want, which is a habit I suspect one or more of my housemates has also taken to, but between the fact that if I cleaned it there'd be a 50% chance it's back the next day and the fact that I've been scolded for trying because apparently towels are loud and mocked because I don't think cat piss is good for the feet I've given up and that's mom's problem now. Am I becoming somewhat more parasitic in doing so? I don't feel guilty for it, and considering Psychopathy likely comes from trauma, maybe that times twenty is how you end up with the ideal, "primary"-type psychopath. -The combination of Criminal Versatility and Juvenile Delinquency is especially telling, and whether or not I assume the times growing up that I considered doing something criminal and/or partook in a behavioral issue that led to something criminal but was let off with a slap on the wrist (I had a bad habit of picking stucco off of walls) count can make or break whether I myself meet the threshold, and also of course makes Psychopathy harder to diagnose predictively. My autistic side is of course quite often concerned with whether or not I broke a law in doing something I thought normal and there've been a few close-calls just due to my lack of awareness or slow reactions, not to mention the fact that I was a bit rich growing up and if I wasn't that could have all gone a lot worse. -Unrealistic Long Term Goals are hard to define beyond hyperbolic examples, and are just as likely to be a result of poor planning (a trait that some attribute to autism, though I have found papers contending that- in either case, I suck at it!) or desperation as a delusion of grandeur. An autistic person may even feel pressured into stating unrealistic goals to sound more impressive and "sell" themselves to employers, which is something everyone does but when you factor in not having the social knack for it of a neurotypical becomes potentially exaggerated. -Irresponsibility, which I'll keep separated from Failure to Accept Responsibility, can often be a knock-on result of impulsivity and emotional outbursts- a trait decidedly shared by Autistics and Psychopaths. Moreover, I'm not sure that the distinction between Non-Psychopathic Autistics being *unable* to meet responsibilities and (supposedly) Non-Autistic Psychopaths being *unwilling* to meet responsibilities matters, and especially not in the eyes of employers, the law, and even, oh, I don't know, parents calling them Parasitic. -Failure to Accept Responsibility is, simply put, a trauma response. Rationalizing one's helplessness or how they weren't being malicious in any given action or inaction is common for those who were excessively criticized or made to feel like failures, and, yes, even leads to emotional distancing of those acts and consequences from themselves so they can sleep at night. They, myself included, are likely to become selectively numb to guilt and empathy. -This leads nicely into Pathological Lying. Pathological Liars are not necessarily good liars, they just do it out of habit, and it is, again, a trauma response to reject responsibility. I often lie about small things throughout my day to make things sound more normal. I still handle things, but if I'm afraid I'll get criticized for something self-contained like whether I skipped a meal or stayed up a bit late or even if I'm not feeling great I'll tend to deny it just because I really don't want to have that conversation with my aforementioned mother who seems to think cat piss is good for the soul and vaccines are the reason I'm like this. At worst, a "did you do the thing" gets a "yes" when in fact it's a reminder that I need to do the thing. It's emotional calculus. Odds are I can get away with it and avoid having my ear disproportionately chewed off for it, while owning up to it is simply not worth the cost it is guaranteed to have. The gamble is worth it. -Manipulation is inhibited by a lack of a theory of mind, but this is easily worked around. Psychopaths are said to have a degree of "glibness" or artificial charisma; they are masking, as an Autistic does, to compensate for social issues. Sufficient glibness through masking can be an effective manipulation tactic. Autistics, to obviously varying end degrees, learn how to artificially extend their expression when it is advantageous to them- not necessarily at anyone's expense, of course, and often just to be inconspicuous. I'm often told that I smile nicely, am humorous, and have a nice voice when I'm not mumbling too much. Where this crosses the line into manipulation is when it interacts with a lot of the above. I am, frankly, a good liar, and good at getting what I want out of people. You don't need to know what someone's thinking to know what they're going to do. -Lack of Remorse or Guilt is often tied to the aforementioned ability to rationalize oneself out of it. It also has the significant caveat of Psychopaths being able to "turn on" empathy when desired, making it by some measures more selective than just absent, and where we get into the distinction of "Primary" and "Secondary" Psychopathy- "Secondary" Psychopaths are considered to be more prone to anxiety and guilt, and more prone to self-destruction than hostility, and when distinctions are made in the test I tend to align more with Secondary than Primary but significantly within the thresholds for both- I'm not stress-immune or entirely guilt-immune, but I do find that my empathy is selective and any guilt I'd have with hurting someone I feel justified in hurting would really be more explained as anxiety over putting myself in a possible, eventual danger. For any feds reading this, I will emphasize that these situations remain hypothetical. My cynicism towards authority (which I'm not going to bother to hide at this point, it's clearly apparent) may be warping my lens more than it opens the veil, sure, but it's hard to see the label of Psychopathy as anything but a way to make neurodivergence sound illegal, and even if it *is* a distinct disorder there's far too much ethical baggage in even its official diagnoses for me to take it too seriously. The fact that I am by many measures a psychopath is something i hold some degree of humor in, even if the only evidence I have is a couple online tests at this point, mommy issues, and the fact that pretending to be psychopathic for entertainment is in fact a psychopathic trait that the tests have to account for. I'd go so far as to argue that whatever genuine distinctions can be made all sound suspiciously like a mix of trauma responses, defense mechanisms, and even matters of circumstance an Autistic person might inherit over time- Psychopaths as currently diagnosed sound a lot like "failed" Autistics, and even ones that have "failed upward." This becomes alarming when you note the statistics point to even petty crimes receiving greater punishments on average if the perpetrator can be labeled as a Psychopath.
Guilt is alot like pain, both are important functions. Having too much is detrimental, but having none causes huge problems. Avoiding them is the whole point of having them, eliminating them completely is detrimental. Surgeons are valuable psychopaths and deserve gratitude for alot of what they do, but we still need to be protected from them with checks and balances around certain things. I don't mean you have to be a psychopath to be a surgeon, but ask anyone who works around them and a pretty clear pattern emerges. Until we have automated systems that surpass the results a human can be capable of these are exactly the people we want in those jobs. We just need to understand that proper scrutiny and accountability are the only reliable disincentives to malpractice.
I don't know about the whole surgeon thing. I also work in a profession involving bodies, mostly dissections / anatomy stuff. But I'm far from a psychopath (like guilt often prevents me from doing stuff and often puts me at a major disadvantage but I just can't surpress it, if I was a psycho I wouldn't have that problem. Like I even feel bad for days just for accidentally being rude to someone) but you just get desensitized after a while. Whilst working the bodies are just objects (that sounds psychotic but if you actually do the work you'll start to see what I mean).
I used to have symptoms when i was a kid but not seriously affected (I had schizophrenia and dependent personality disorder among other things that maybe have not been detected). It was really hard for me to tell lies and didn't have theory of mind in general, and living in a society where concealing was a culture and the culture itself encouraged using a lot of implicit clues to understand the other people, I was in a really big trouble. I gradually found my way by becoming familiar with the environment and my condition with the help of information that i could find around and medications had a big contribution to my healing. I gradually understood people using psychology books and experience that i gained from the events on far and near. It is now both good and bad, I can fabricate very good lies that many people fall into them and i do not like it because i deeply don't like lying and being lied in the first place. I sometimes wonder how i could manipulate this or that guy and how i could have mastered the skill😅. I deeply do not like it but I use it when I really have to.
So basically, those with ASD generally lack the intentions of psychopaths and are usually not very good at it? If true, that's something we should all be grateful for because given only outward appearances, many autistic people seem indistinguishable from psychopaths until one understands the differences in the root causes of their behaviors.
There are two types of freedom: • negative - freedom from, and • positive - freedom for. A psychopath is free from intrinsic moral constraints. The question is, what are they free for?
I'm on the spectrum, I've gotten the impression people thought I was a school shooter or (something of the like) before. Good to know it's not uncommon.
I'm an aspie. It wasn't until my mid 30s that I started "getting it" when it comes to having a demeanor that sits well with neurotypical people. Today (47) women tell me, unsolicited, that they feel very safe around me.
Autism is a spectrum, each individual autistic person is just as different as another than one neuro-typical is from another. For example personally I have no emotional response to things but I have a physical response, for example if I'm at a large party and my social anxiety goes haywire I don't feel scared or anxious, I just get physically sick, legs start shaking, headaches and large amounts of nausea.
@@DavesGarage 100% there are similarities that helps categorize people and that knowledge is very important to understand. I just don't want someone thinking 'oh you're autistic so you do all of this'. Fun fact: in Australia where I live we used to have a whole range of different words for different types such as Asperger's, but now it all falls under 'ASD' or 'Autism Spectrum Disorder' because of the huge range of types and people, naming each one with all the overlaps just wasn't feasible.
A psychopath would not admit they have autism either. In their mind, they are perfection, everything else in the world is inferior and meaningless compared to themselves. I’m pretty certain I fall somewhere within the autism spectrum, and my son has been diagnosed with it. Others want to put him in special programs, and give him extra time, etc. to perform tasks. I am against this, because the world isn’t going to treat him differently. He needs to be able to function in the world. When we toured some of the facilities tailored for autistic children, all of the kids there were obviously far worse in outwardly showing autistic behaviors than anything going on with my son. That set off alarm bells for me. We (my wife and I) also chose not to put him on any medications. Doctors wanted to medicate me when I was a child, but my parents were against it. I turned out “OK“, at least enough to function in the world and have a child of my own.
I am also autistic and know people on the spectrum. The one guy I know who were put into one of those programs came out of it without any grades at all, he has to redo high school if he wants to pursue trade school (which is part of high school over here in Norway) or higher education. If your kid is on the mild end of the spectrum and is capable of functioning normally, then there is no reason for the kid to be in special education. It will only be a detriment to your own childs intelligence and future. Certain accomodations like extra time depends on your childs struggles. I also have ADHD and had writing difficulties, so I needed the extra time because I was working that much slower. Medicating autism is a batshit crazy idea to me. ADHD is partially caused by a chronic chemical imbalance in the brain, so at least trying medication to see if it works well or not is a reasonable idea. What I am against is to start children early on ADHD medication.
@@SnoFitzroy They obviously mean their extremeness on the spectrum. The difference between being a little weird and difficulty functioning alone, it is a wide spectrum and everyone shows their traits a little different after all. Why are you searching for problems where there are none lol?
I remember in college where a non-trivial portion of the undergrad class was probably spectrum to one degree or another when I read that book. One of the other students that had seemed a bit off checked most of the boxes for psychopathy instead. Gave that dude a wide berth after I figured out what was up.
I had a friend who described himself as maybe having Autism. But for me he had much more resemblance to a Psychopath. This lists, somewhat confirmed it. Well, there were reasons why I broke contact 10 years ago.
Hi Dave, you might want to go deeper on the subject, Psychopathy is not universally accepted as a condition among psychologists but commonly considered as a set of extreme traits on the ASPD spectrum, just like Autism is on ASD. Psychopathy and Autism are exclusive but it's not true for ASPD and ASD, and both Autistic and Psychopath can be on the other spectrum.
@@DamirUlovecgenerally psychopaths have lower iq on average. They just achieve stuff because they don't care about their nor others safety. Ie they brute force results.
As an autistic, I am constantly pulling my hair out at how you don't question things. You always go deeply into why autistic behavior is they way that it is, and what lead to that behavior, but for psychopaths you stop short at the surface level
You also have autistic representation (you), but go primarily off of movie characters for the psychopaths, which is entirely based off surface level. Imagine if someone gave a similar video and used autistic depictions in film as their example
As others have said, the much more interesting thing would be to compare and contrast with sociopathy. Do some research from sociopaths first though, versus just people looking to diagnose a disorder. Read "sociopath: a memoir" and "confessions of a sociopath". It will be eye opening. Sincerely, a sociopath in a relationship with an autistic, who has done tons of comparison of the two as a result. 😁
I use an app called ReadEraPremium. Some of the installable speach synthesis isn't bad, and it plays in the background so you are not destracted by the light of the screen.
This would be amazing! I've tried to use different text to speech tools but it's difficult to listen to and follow along with the annunciations being all over. I'll keep an eye out!
6:20 I'm not sure we do better on the "realistic" part. Our craving for structure often causes us to make plans that require a more stable world than actually exists. And then we often have poor planning (and general executive function) skills in general, especially if ADHD is involved. AuDHDers, if we have long term plans, tend to take a big hit on the realism of those plans because ADHD and Autism want lots of contradictory things (I think I'll order all the structure that you have, but could I get that without structure, please?).
Generally I'm very disconnected from my emotions. I automatically surpress them I've noticed and perceive most things (even things happening to me) as a spectator. The only emotion that forces me to act though is guilt. If I've done something bad I feel a strong urge to correct it...
One thing that complicates this is alexithymia. In my case, I just feel weird, when I am internalizing some emotion but can't identify what it is, or in other cases I am not aware I am feeling any emotion and just get physical symptoms instead. This seems like a trait that is more common in the ASD population, though the severity varies with the individual. I've learned that I am not a psychopath, as I have emotions, but I am often just not aware I have them. This also makes it hard to judge emotions in others. I previously thought I did well at this, but learned that most were just adapting to my lack of awareness more than anything else, haha. Apologies if you mentioned this in your other video, I only watched this one.
To clarify. I ended up having high blood pressure, but was young enough to confuse the doctors. At this point, it seems pretty clear that it's mostly from chronic stress... but I am unaware of the stress I am feeling, so I'm unable to regulate it. Worse, I still can't readily identify stress from anxiety, from frustration, and so on. I was given an "emotion wheel" wheel that tries to illustrate different emotions and how they branch off. However, to me, it's mostly a good/bad thing, if I even recognize it. Funnily enough, I thought this was normal until about a year ago when I was diagnosed with alexithymia.
I have extreme sensitivity to physical pain. Also, I hate being touched, for example I hate having my hair cut; as a child I was frightened of it. I feel other people's pain very strongly, also. I suspect that im on the spectrum, but I dont know.
Anxiety is a comorbid symptom of Autism. As in, it should not be treated with cognitive therapy like regular anxiety. The TL;DR is "Get rid of your stressors and the anxiety goes away".
I left my last job because the person in charge was a psychopath. Every time I had to deal with his crap it triggered my autistic disproportionate responses and outbursts. To save my mental health I resigned. I absolutely loved that job too.
QUESTIONS : It is not related in the video but if you have time please answer this, I think you are the only right person to answer this. A year ago someone told me that to maintain my PC's health I need to clear temporary files from %temp% folder, second is I need to clear files from prefetch those two procedure can be access using Windows search or run. I've been doing this for almost a year, yeah I can say that it helps my PC but can you explain why? or is this a good practices? I'm Jason Lipreso From Cebu, Philippines A full-stack Web & Mobile Developer for 7 years
Most likely placebo. Temp files should be deleted automatically on a regular basis, with Windows 10 and 11, depending on your settings. I suppose it's possible this setting was disabled, or you have some misbehaved applications creating excess temp files, but in general that shouldn't be an issue that needs intervention. Even if your files are building up there, there isn't a performance penalty. This usually will not result in slowdown with SSDs, but I suppose it is possible if you have a HDD still, since the angular velocity differences as the drive gets filled up. So, cleanout the temp directory if you want, but maybe just for storage space reasons, not performance. In terms of prefetch, this is a false optimization. Prefetch is used to cache data based on access patterns, making your computer faster to boot and launch applications (hence, prefetch, fetching in advance). Clearing out prefetch is unnecessary, and will actually slow down your computer as Windows will be forced to recreate the prefetch files again.
"I'm not a psychopath" is exactly the thing a person that invented windows product activation would say.
Made me snort laugh, thank you mister.
And especially launching it right after 9/11 when some could have seen it as a cybersecurity risk to have a "kill switch" in the OS.
He also got sued by the state of washington for violations of the consumer protection act... which is a really nice and expensive way of saying "Took advantage of people." Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..............
LMAO but are you talking about Dave or Bill?
@@InsideOfMyOwnMind Dave
1:02 Professions where psychopathy gives a competitive advantage: surgeon, CEO, lawyer, media personality, sales. Some other notable professions: politician, police officer. Positions that give a person a lot of power are attractive to psychopaths. I think less so for people on the autism spectrum.
I'm not sure a psychopathic cop would last long in the days of badge cams. Would have been a terror 20 years ago though!
@@DavesGarage They can switch them off you know :-(
I wondered why the entertainment industry was always full of so many deeply defective people, and I think I figured it out. It's all based on subjective approval from others. If you want to be the fastest runner in the world, you can set a great time and have it compared, it's objective. But if you want to be the top model or actor? You just have to win over a bunch of people subjectively. Psychopaths can't magic their way into objective accomplishments. But they can charm, sabotage and manipulate others, to the top of any field that is primarily subjective. So it is probably almost guaranteed those fields will be dominated by psychopaths. Because when a psychopath and a non-psychopath compete for the same thing, the psychopath has no limiters. They'll go after the persons family, use violence, coercion, bribery, or whatever it takes to eliminate their competitor.
@@DustinRodriguez1_0 that's an interesting observation. Regardless of whether or not it's objectively true, it does raise a valid point that some professions seem more likely to have a higher than average number of psychopaths 😅
@@DavesGarage They just turn them off.
I can't overstate the benefit of this episode. Thank you.
" *Not a guarantee." Literally made me LOL. Well done, sir.
Thanks so much for this. I'm also suffering chronic illness and anxiety that is at least partly physical (neurological issues). Ive recently been kind of worried about this, and you helped me understand some things and allay many of my fears. You never fail to entertain or educate.
Thanks for promoting awareness of autism. My son is on the spectrum, although labeled as "high functioning" but there are just some things that make me crazy, though I know I have to accept it. Mostly it is the fact that he seems to lack empathy, and can't put himself in someone else's shoes. Recently even had a test in school in reading class and couldn't figure it out. I had to reach out to the teacher when I reviewed to try to explain he just can't do these exercises. I encourage anyone in this situation to work with their teachers. Other than that, he is fairly "normal". My best advise is to listen, observe - recognize strengths and weaknesses and work within those boundaries. But my son is still a great kid. He knows right from wrong and is fearful of falling out of line. I know a lot of folks have it worse then me and it can be sooooooo frustrating. But try to find the positive, where they thrive and exploit that as best as possible. I know it isn't easy.
Not sure why I'm rambling now. I guess I saw the title and felt sad that comparing someone on the spectrum to a psychopath needed to be explained. That is so unfortunate cause I don't see them related at all. But I applaud you Dave for spreading awareness and addressing some of these misconceptions. Keep up the good work, and I truly hope you've found peace and love with those around you. From my outside view, it seems like you have thrived and had a great life, even though it might have taken additional effort. Thanks for all your contributions and I hope you enjoy your retirement with your loved ones.
This comment reeks of something subtly toxic
Came for the Microsoft Windows lore, stayed for the talks about Autism! As an autistic/ADHD person myself, channels like yours give me hope!
Dave, you are just an amazing human being. Super intelligent. Authistic people have its challenges, bur we need to support them 😊
Keep making great videos about Autism Spectrum Disorder! You are awesome in your ability to express these things!
I appreciated your thoughts on this. Very interesting topic.
It hits me on a personal level as I try to understand why other people are different than myself. Appreciate your insights.
Fascinating video. An experienced programmer trying to explain what happens in an immensely complex operating system when it presents certain errors caused by faulty hardware that causes certain system calls to fail; and how it differs from another similar but distinct bug in the same OS.
that's one way of putting it?
@@dh2032 That's a really cool way of putting it. :)))
Thank you Dave for your books and TH-cam content! ❤
Whew! I'm an aspie, but at least i'm not anywhere near a psychopath! But, I certainly know a lot of them. Unfortunately, a lot of them were bosses, co-workers, a parent, and even some politicians.
As a low-support-needs, high-masking AuDHDer, I really, REALLY appreciate your videos. I find your stuff most relatable of all the autism content on TH-cam. Thank you for speaking up.
that makes me think of a really good point, describing masking sounds a lot like describing psychopathy if you don't know the differences, this might actually be a more important resource than i thought. i generally don't like thinking about the weird or awkward things i end up doing when trying to mask or appease allistics, but being able to more easily distill what it actually is, helps.
My idiosyncratic self diagnosis is traumatistic hyperactivity disorder
I'd been mulling over the differences for a few weeks. You seem to have nailed it, with comic style. Good job Dave.
How? I just don't understand how anyone can see any similarities.
Hey Dave, I am right now reading your book "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire" - and what a great read it is! A MUST-have for everyone on the spectrum and all around!
The big difference that stands out for me is the empathy for others. My understanding is that psychopaths are just entirely incapable of feeling that empathy, though they can logically read and fake it. On the other hand, people on the spectrum can be deeply empathetic. But outwardly it can look like that's not the case because we have such a hard time reading how others feel.
I usually don't ever know when I've hurt someones feelings, which I seem to do it quite often. I generally find it quite confusing when I discover I've hurt someone. But I'll also end up agonizing and obsessing about it for days.
I think another big difference is the expression of emotion. Psychopaths express all kinds of emotion, it's just exclusively ego-centric for them. But I think people have as hard of a time reading the emotions of someone on the spectrum as we have reading the emotions of others. People will often "read" all kinds of different emotions from me that I'm just not experiencing. They like think I'm angry or upset when I'm just excited (because I get loud), and then they are super upset at me (which is doubly confusing because I'll be sitting there having a great time.)
I think the best thing I've done for myself is communicate openly about autism to my coworkers and friends. At least it gives me a fighting chance rather than people just making assumptions.
It is alot of work to repeatedly reassess how your actions corresponded to other peoples emotional responses. Psychopaths will always find an easier way to keep or improve their social standing while getting whatever they want out of the situations. IME autists will tend to sort of step back when they become aware they have been flying blind for a bit too long or far, with a desire to understand and take responsibility for their part in what has happened that well exceeds their desire to leave their broader social standing unmarred.
Heaven help you if you are also borerline or something and have to fight past your own intense feelings and myopic desperation for them the be acknowledged, in order to take the steps to repair relationships that mean alot to you. Perceived abandonment can really make you an irrational and self-destructive being.
That's exactly what defines psychopathy (both clinical and subclinical): lack of empathy. Autism has nothing to do with that: they are just bad at social interactions bc of "excess of inner world" but they generally have normal empathy (i.e. they do feel other's pain or emotions in general... if they can pay attention to what's happening around them).
I heard about a study on incarcerated psychopathic criminals that showed they could be taught to understand or experience empathy. But I think it remained something they could choose to ignore if they wanted.
Theory of mind is the main difference. The lack of empathy.
@@cat-le1hf - You can have a theory of mind (psychological understanding) and no empathy. Empathy is about feeling with the other, not about understanding the thoughts of the other. That's why psychopaths can be so manipulative, because they do have a theory of mind (they're intelligent humans after all) but do not feel your pain as their own (lack of empathy, callousness).
Psychopathy is an evaluative disorder. Autism is a processing disorder. Psychopathy is pre-narrative feedback (changes the “voice” in the mind) and autism is post-narrative feedback (is in a part of processing where the “voice” in the mind impacts it).
Nice make up. You must be a friend of Dave's. What a crack up to conclusively prove these two conditions are mutually exclusive.
Can you please explain that a bit more. I have not heard of these terms up until now but it sounds interesting.
@@user-fed-yum Contrasting two things does not imply they are mutually exclusive. Did you think that it did?
Psychopathy is lack of empathy, not of social connection (psychopaths are often excellent manipulators). Autism is totally unrelated, it's lack of easy interest in interaction, excess of "inner world" but not of empathy.
@@user-fed-yum Ok, not sure how you got this from either the video or the comment. He literally ends by saying "autism and psychopathy are independent variables which means you can in fact be an autistic psychopath". So it feels like you either A. didn't actually watch/pay attention to the video or B. paid attention and don't understand what 'independent variables are'.
Maybe some overly literal thinking in my comment here but honestly, this just feels like you wanted to pick a fight over words you put into this commenter and this video's creators mouth. Not only did they not say whatyou claimed but they actually both explicitly agreed with you
Really enjoy your interpretation and attempt to define the different flavours of personalities
It's good to realise that I'm probably autistic but definately not psychopathic
There's the AQ test online an in some books, I found it in one of Temple Grandin's books. It's no more than indicative. Simon Baron-Cohen's control group scored 16.4, I scored 35.
NHS has a useful list of traits, they fit me pretty well.
@@oneeyedphotographer There are also SQ, EQ, and some other online tests that can indicate whether you should consult a professional.
Thanks for your episodes on spectrum awareness. I feel that I myself have an undiagnosed spectrum status, but a few of my children definitely are on it. I hope to speak to my son (diagnosed with Asperger's) and show him some of your episodes as a way of him seeing how the two worlds interact. As people on the spectrum defiantly have to intentionally resolve the difference between the world that exists for them and the one that exists for everyone else.
Dave this was a great video, coincidentally I'm reading Canadian novelist Robert J. Sawyer 'Quantum Nigh' a 2016 science-fiction thriller using many of these same items as plot devices in the story.... thank you for great efforts and continue on.
I am also Autistic and I ran Windows XP Volume License without paying for it for years. I am on social security.
Maybe I was wrong about the criminal aspect! :-)
@@DavesGarage I am gay
@@chadbotting8425 Nobody cares
@@raybod1775 That is very depressing and I am not nobody.
@@chadbotting8425nobody cares about your sexuality that's all. I'm sure people care about you in general.
That was interesting and helpful, and seemed honest. I am struggling to better understand a family member and was hoping to gain further insight from this video. Success!
As an ADHD explosive anger from irritability is quite understandable. Prob why I’ve had probs functioning in group settings (work) until I started meds.
Thank you for your videos, they have made me question myself as I feel identified with so many situations you describe and maybe your videos gave a reason for things that I didn’t have an explanation for.
Thank you for sharing your experience
Mega appreciate your putting thought into persons with psychopathy traits and with autism. . Am taking a good look at what that one percent might look like as it's personally quite relevant. I not only live with pretty severe high-functioning autism, but also a lot of neglect and lack of parental attunement. Was left in pretty sad shape, now in my forties I'm putting pieces together, in particular I tend to be anxious and fearful, and ruled by phobias. Now that I've addressed those, my fear response is unbelievable. When I'm highly focused on a podcast playing on my Air Pods, my bf has snuck up on me and scared me to the point I've almost thrown hands at him, but once I confirm there's no threat, I can just continue without even accelerated heart rate. Like, I almost drowned tubing in a river but the emergency kayak rescued me. I could feel myself sinking and forced myself to relax and extend my limbs.I didn't even take on my awater breathing. I just got back on my tube, it was the start of the trip and we'd had to hike half an hour to get to the start.
I love these videos. My son has Autism and these help a lot to understand him. Please do more.
Wonderful video, thank you. I closely agree with all of your conclusions (I know, who cares...lol). I myself have tried out "glib charm" for a few seconds precisely 3 times in my 71 years of life. In all three cases, I successfully pulled it off (convinced the recipient that I was sincere), but all three remain to this day the most shameful acts I have ever committed. I am so honest that it regularly affects my life in what most would consider "stupid" ways, but I won't, cannot, have it any other way.
I know that feeling you refer to!
I am autistic, not psychopath. There is not a psychopath bone in my body. OK, maybe one, but I only admit to my autism.
Dave, I probably used much of your code over the years. I was among the first to get a BSCS ( Boston University, 1981) using PC-DOS for most projects. We wrote our own Pascal compiler for the PC and used a DecSystem 10 the rest of the time. BTW, we were too lazy to write a linker, it compiled straight to executable. We always wondered if Borland stole it.
Very thought provoking video. I think many people on the spectrum have a fairly binary sense or morality and therefore as well as being bad at lying tend to avoid it on the basis of being on the immoral end of the spectrum. In terms of not taking responsibility I think there's also the issue that accepting responsibility (IE accepting fault) can feel quite destabilising (at least if it's within a relationship) and therefore as well as not "getting" why the other person is upset the individual with AS(D) might also not want to accept that they've done something that might conceivably have rocked the boat. And they may therefore minimise the impact their behaviour has had in order to avoid destabilisation and all the scary stuff that can be associated with it. Outside of a relationship (when there's less riding on it) I suspect taking responsibility is much easier- going back to the binary morality / not telling lies.
You're the best, Dave! Keep advocating for autism and your super powers.
Do sociopathy next. Some people seem to think autistic people simply don't have emotions.
Covering psychopathy covers sociopathy. A psychologist explained the difference as psychopaths are born while sociopaths are made. Neither have anything to do with Autism.
@@bdpyne Well this is false.
I can tell you as an autistic person, lack of emotion is not a problem. I have too many emotions and too much empathy.
@@VintageTechNerd Yea, but a lot of people on the spectrum don't express their emotions outwardly. At least not in ways neurotypical people can easily read. So we sometimes come off as cold and unfeeling when it's really the opposite.
@@Darxide23 what is false?
It comes as a total surprise to me that anyone would confuse the two.
To me it was also surprising but incrementally I found out that in day to day life & communication, it is actually very easy to mix them up. Thinking logically about it, however, it becomes very clear because of a thing that Dave described/explained so well in this video: Theory of Mind. Psychopaths & Narcissists or any manipulative person will almost always know what you find believable and naturally will act in a way that will make their "I'm an autist"-message as believable to you as possible. So, in a twisted sense it is actually trivial to see why people may confuse autism with other "disorders". To be honest, in Dave's case as well as a few other cases, I feel like "disorder" is a stupid choice of wording. I see it rather as a gift, which is probably mainly due to the people around me, that have autism, being mathematically gifted or giften in engineering/programming. It is admirable.
@@creatorofimages7925 Let's say it is a gift. Sometimes just being given a gift without having to work for it is actually not so much of a gift. It is like when you have to chop down your own firewood, you get warmed twice. Having to put forth effort because you are not gifted, has its benefits of also helping you grow in virtue. Discipline in learning and training is a virtue as is patience on your path toward arriving at a difficult to achieve goal. There are many benefits to struggling to achievement that a gifted person is robbed of. So, it is not necessarily a good thing and perhaps not as much of a gift as many might think.
@@creatorofimages7925 Autism is *LITERALLY* a developmental disability. Savantry has literally NOTHING AT ALL to do with autism, and assuming we're all geniuses is ableist at best, eugenics at worst. You clearly do not have autism if you "see it as a gift." Being completely blinded and agitated by fluorescent lights is not a gift. Being unable to comprehend the coded language You Allistics (VERY DEROGATORY) use is not a gift. Executive dysfunction, memory and communication issues, and constant sensory problems are not gifts. These are disabilities I have BECAUSE OF AND AS A PART OF my autism, by definition. I'm not """gifted,""" I'm literally disabled, and "people" like you spouting this "gift" BS are Literally The Entire Reason people like myself can't get the resources and help we need. So kindly STFU
As someone who has autism, I am not surprised. Before I was diagnosed, I did genuinely wonder if I was a psychopath.
@@TheOnlyToblin It would appear that you are in a better position to know that than I am.😀
Your channel helps me to try and understand my grandson, thank you.
I myself must be a funktional autistic person. I have learned over time how to react in certain situations, a kind of autopilot you Can say.
It works ok, unless i run in to a situation not tried before. Then i just dont know how to react.
Social integrations with feelings, That is The worst. Then i go to auto, No real emotions. I just process The situation in realtime and try to behave normal.
I do have a Big temper, throw stuff around, No sence of time, sucks to get to work in time without an alarm telling when to leave for work.
But also have a Big IQ, sence of details, a keen sence of faireness, know science, electronic, and it stuff as an tech engineer.
So i guess there is some psykopatic behavior is in us all. Feelings are tough to Understand.
You make a great Channel, hard stuff made easy to Understand 😊
That "learning how to react" is called masking, and it's something that high-functioning autists have to develop through time, experience, and conscious work. And it *takes* conscious work to keep a mask up, which is why being in social situations and acting "normal" can be so freaking exhausting for us. Being able to mask is extremely helpful when it comes to navigating the world, so it's good to be able to do, you just need to be aware that it is a thing, and that it makes your brain tired and you need to be good for yourself and take a break from it when you have to.
@@robjones3818 exhausting indeed. In Denmark we have a saying “I Need a grandad”. Between the Lines, we Understand you need to grab a nap.
i need that After work, every Day.
To power up my brain i like to walk in The forest all by my self, or with a dog. And Call me Wird, But i like to do it by Night as Well.
There i get New ideas to my Books, novells, inventions, and without it my stress levels would kill me.
Thank you keep explaining everything im detail. I too have autism traits. Or plain autism. I don't know. Experts have had there views on me. This video really was spot on.
@DavesGarage Is there an audiobook of your book available? I like to listen to books on my long drives. Yours should be a perfect addition to my library.
Thanks Dave! ❤
My pleasure!
I'm not autistic and, FWIW, I must say I got surprised to hear that some people think there are general similarities between autists and psychopats. Thanks for the insight!
I'm an Aspie myself and at first I thought to myself that Dave has really nailed down modulating his voice naturally. In this episode I "cracked it" and found his pattern. Now I can't un-hear it :P
Hello Dave, thank you so much for making videos on Autism. I am in the process of getting diagnosed myself and relate to alot of your stories. Just want to add that I think autistics can be intentionally manipulative if they're good at masking, as it's pretty much the same as acting. They can also be good at deceiving if they have the socializing experience and intellect required to do so. I think Tony Attwood touches on this on one of this books, he calls it the "ill intentioned Aspie".
On another note - Thank you so much for the free book and resources, but please don't use AI imagery to promote them as it harms artists. Being an artist myself, it makes me very sad to see you use it. I'd love to collaborate with you for book covers and designs as illustration and graphic design are my profession and special interests :)
Dr House highlighted it perfectly in one of the episodes what a psychopath is, or rather why a person is so. When he placed a psychopath under MRI scanner the brain area where emotions are processed didn't lit up, in other words did not able to process empathy for others. Empathy is the feeling you get when some is experiencing pain (physical or emotional) because you have experienced it before. Empathy is that, whereas sympathy is only the logical part of it.
People with Asperger's do experience empathy like others but we might get things a bit confused (social misunderstandings), AKA double-empathy-problem, whereas psychopaths have ZERO feelings/emotions, so that is BIG difference and therefore must not be confused for being the same.
Reason I love dogs so much is that they are basically emotional beings with extraordinary capability for empathy for other beings (including people with Asperger's). Not so strange since we humans have domesticated and breed this genetical properties. We humans could learn a thing or two from our four-legged-friends.
The overt stimulation you prefer is so interesting to me. I myself use an opposite and yet similar method of either gentle noise or soft instrumental music to help me focus by blocking out external stimulation. I don't even notice the sound, I'm guessing its much like you probably don't notice the visuals once you get "in the zone" The cacophony of visual stimuli while fun, would keep me from being productive at all. The brain is so weird,
Before I watch more than 5 seconds, I must say that the opening music with the animation effects gave me an wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey-wibes.
And now... back to the content.
Thanks Dave, very interesting.
As an autistic people myself, people sometimes think that im psychopath on first impression, purely because my face doesnt show any emotion outside of laughter.
Same
I’d be more concerned if you were autopathic, or, heaven forbid have psychtism. In summary, you’re an interesting fellow, successful and are doing things for others so good on you Dave. Great channel
Logically reasoning, I'd think that the traits related to autism are in such a stark contrast to traits relating to psychopathy that it would be near impossible to have an autistic psychopath. But then, neither are learnt behavior. Both are physical differences in the brain (as far as I know...) so one doesn't exclude the other. As you said, being on the spectrum does make psychopathic traits less effective, thankfully. Thank you for this analyses!
Just as many neurotypicals think that autistic people are psychopaths, I often think that they are psychopaths. In the end though, it is most likely just the difference of how our brains work and that we can't refer to the other's internal experience. We are both empathetic, just in different ways that don't mesh with each other.
Hi Dave, when I first saw your videos, i was thinking „what a strange guy“, maybe pushed by my hate-love with MS products.
But when I heard that we have very basic stuff in common, I started to view your YT work differently.
I‘m now 61 and share my „strange behavior“ with my kids and my grandson. Just today we had to endure the tome until the 3yo‘s brain was locking into normal clock speed again. Took me 55y to understand how such a brain (mine) works.
But after long time (and because I have a very mild version) I somehow grew out of it.
I have a highly intellectual variant of OCD which used to force me to stare at text and count the letters, I also had some psychopathic behaviours before my teens but that went away.
I seem to have at least some characteristics of autism so I believe that OCD and autism have some mechanisms in common. I am very technical which forces me to be very honest (no misinterpretation of what I see or understand) and I am a more and more a caring person who improvised myself into a nutritionist so I can keep my now 85 year old mother who is mildly diabetic and has a mild form of MS healthy and the diabetis specialist she sees annually confirms that her tests show my mom is eating what she should be eating.
Thank you Dave.
Hey David! Great episode, but I missed the dimension of being a sociopath, since that is more common than being a true psychopath. 👍🙏
I do have unrealistic goals, but it is usually something related to my special interest. I have been designing the "perfect programming language" for years now. It is of course an impossible goal, and even in the best light overly ambitious. But really it is just an outlet for my philosophizing about correct methods for software engineering.
Except neurotypical people hear the phrase "the perfect programming language" as "the programming language that works just the way I like best myself", so don't worry, they're not going to get out their notes and give you a pshyco check mark over that one :P
My life goal is to read an entire library. I read obsessively. I work on it everyday. Other than that I hope to live my life quietly. Work, eat, sleep and meet my mini day goals of hygiene and self care. I am burnt out from masking and am very introverted so I feel these goals are reasonable and bring me joy.
I'm neither a psychopath nor autistic, but I too am just a guy trying to navigate a world that doesn't make sense to him. This is compounded by the fact that I am married with two teen-aged daughters. Anytime I think I develop my own concept of mind, the rules change and I have to start over.
I am an aspie and I do struggle understanding emotions. I do have a conscience, I am very sensitive and I have a very happy relationship.
Thanks, Dave
I'm probably on the "invisible" part of the spectrum. I've spent many hours considering the similarities and differences of ASD and psychopathy/sociopathy, especially the implications of the fact that neither has been selected out of the human gene pool. At the individual level, the most extreme manifestations of both (with the notable exception of rape-oriented psychopathy) would probably be selected against, however it seems that it's beneficial to a population as a whole to have a small number of individuals with both traits, so it seems likely that populations with people who demonstrate mild to moderate forms of the traits and people who carry latent genes to ensure this carries forward would do better than other populations. It's probably a bit too simplistic to say that psychopath=leader/surgeon and autist=inventor/engineer/archivist, but at the same time there may well be some truth to it.
Of course, that raises the question why the percentages of both (at least the most extreme manifestations) seem to be limited to the low single digits, and why we don't have populations where either have taken over. There are obviously exceptions (think monasteries, armies, and prisons) where populations are assembled through artificial (not natural) selection where the percentages can be very far out of whack, but naturally-created populations seem to have roughly the same percentages everywhere. The most extreme autistic traits are probably self-limiting, but I don't see a similar self-limiting mechanism for psychopathy. It might just be that in a population with too many psychopaths there aren't enough people to actually do the work (i.e. too many parasites), kind of like how there are so many Libertarian Tech Bro steading experiments that have gone sideways. Or it might just simply be that the non-psychopath 99% is enough to keep the 1% psychopath under control and prevent it from spreading.
Keep in mind, selection pressures can be positive, negative, or neutral. Further, such a selection isn't toward the best or the fittest, it is just towards the good enough to survive. Basically, having a trait is only a negative pressure if it prevents you from "getting it on" to pass your genes. This is a much lower threshold than most would consider in the broader population of a species. If you're a bit odd compared to your counterparts, that may not matter all that much if you're able to reach that low bar.
@@JimBob1937 Agreed, but then the question is why haven't Autistics and Psychopaths taken over the world? At least the world outside Silicon Valley.
One of the lighting gizmos in the background is sound reactive to his voice. I found myself paying attention to it over what he was saying once I noticed it.
It's the Daft Punk helmet I built! ESP32. The fire lamps are also sound reactive but I put them in non-reactive modes while recording so as not to be even more distracting :-)
As someone who definitely has autism and according to a few tries at psychopathy tests possibly has that too, my issue is ultimately that, for the most part, these distinctions are defined in hindsight and in many cases are just a statement on ethics, an issue that becomes glaringly obvious once we realize that Psychopathy is more of a legal therm than a psychological one, and gets muddied even further with the relatively recent distinction of "Primary" and "Secondary" psychopathy. To go down the list bit by bit:
-A Parasitic Lifestyle is obviously not a great position and I'd feel bad taking one on, sure, but ultimately anyone who gets stuck in one as you acknowledge will be indistinguishable from someone who could get out but is a good liar. A psychopath is likely not to feel bad for doing so, but how much of this lack of remorse is simply due to resenting the person they're being parasitic towards in particular? Full disclosure, I'm living with my mother, with whom I don't have a great relationship. I pay $600 a month in rent and do a good deal of work about the place, so I don't have much reason for guilt in doing so, but I'm also not terribly sure I'd feel guilty if I stopped so much as just scared she'd kick me to the streets. There are certain parts of housework that I've just stopped attending to. She has a lot of animals that like to... Excrete wherever they want, which is a habit I suspect one or more of my housemates has also taken to, but between the fact that if I cleaned it there'd be a 50% chance it's back the next day and the fact that I've been scolded for trying because apparently towels are loud and mocked because I don't think cat piss is good for the feet I've given up and that's mom's problem now. Am I becoming somewhat more parasitic in doing so? I don't feel guilty for it, and considering Psychopathy likely comes from trauma, maybe that times twenty is how you end up with the ideal, "primary"-type psychopath.
-The combination of Criminal Versatility and Juvenile Delinquency is especially telling, and whether or not I assume the times growing up that I considered doing something criminal and/or partook in a behavioral issue that led to something criminal but was let off with a slap on the wrist (I had a bad habit of picking stucco off of walls) count can make or break whether I myself meet the threshold, and also of course makes Psychopathy harder to diagnose predictively. My autistic side is of course quite often concerned with whether or not I broke a law in doing something I thought normal and there've been a few close-calls just due to my lack of awareness or slow reactions, not to mention the fact that I was a bit rich growing up and if I wasn't that could have all gone a lot worse.
-Unrealistic Long Term Goals are hard to define beyond hyperbolic examples, and are just as likely to be a result of poor planning (a trait that some attribute to autism, though I have found papers contending that- in either case, I suck at it!) or desperation as a delusion of grandeur. An autistic person may even feel pressured into stating unrealistic goals to sound more impressive and "sell" themselves to employers, which is something everyone does but when you factor in not having the social knack for it of a neurotypical becomes potentially exaggerated.
-Irresponsibility, which I'll keep separated from Failure to Accept Responsibility, can often be a knock-on result of impulsivity and emotional outbursts- a trait decidedly shared by Autistics and Psychopaths. Moreover, I'm not sure that the distinction between Non-Psychopathic Autistics being *unable* to meet responsibilities and (supposedly) Non-Autistic Psychopaths being *unwilling* to meet responsibilities matters, and especially not in the eyes of employers, the law, and even, oh, I don't know, parents calling them Parasitic.
-Failure to Accept Responsibility is, simply put, a trauma response. Rationalizing one's helplessness or how they weren't being malicious in any given action or inaction is common for those who were excessively criticized or made to feel like failures, and, yes, even leads to emotional distancing of those acts and consequences from themselves so they can sleep at night. They, myself included, are likely to become selectively numb to guilt and empathy.
-This leads nicely into Pathological Lying. Pathological Liars are not necessarily good liars, they just do it out of habit, and it is, again, a trauma response to reject responsibility. I often lie about small things throughout my day to make things sound more normal. I still handle things, but if I'm afraid I'll get criticized for something self-contained like whether I skipped a meal or stayed up a bit late or even if I'm not feeling great I'll tend to deny it just because I really don't want to have that conversation with my aforementioned mother who seems to think cat piss is good for the soul and vaccines are the reason I'm like this. At worst, a "did you do the thing" gets a "yes" when in fact it's a reminder that I need to do the thing. It's emotional calculus. Odds are I can get away with it and avoid having my ear disproportionately chewed off for it, while owning up to it is simply not worth the cost it is guaranteed to have. The gamble is worth it.
-Manipulation is inhibited by a lack of a theory of mind, but this is easily worked around. Psychopaths are said to have a degree of "glibness" or artificial charisma; they are masking, as an Autistic does, to compensate for social issues. Sufficient glibness through masking can be an effective manipulation tactic. Autistics, to obviously varying end degrees, learn how to artificially extend their expression when it is advantageous to them- not necessarily at anyone's expense, of course, and often just to be inconspicuous. I'm often told that I smile nicely, am humorous, and have a nice voice when I'm not mumbling too much. Where this crosses the line into manipulation is when it interacts with a lot of the above. I am, frankly, a good liar, and good at getting what I want out of people. You don't need to know what someone's thinking to know what they're going to do.
-Lack of Remorse or Guilt is often tied to the aforementioned ability to rationalize oneself out of it. It also has the significant caveat of Psychopaths being able to "turn on" empathy when desired, making it by some measures more selective than just absent, and where we get into the distinction of "Primary" and "Secondary" Psychopathy- "Secondary" Psychopaths are considered to be more prone to anxiety and guilt, and more prone to self-destruction than hostility, and when distinctions are made in the test I tend to align more with Secondary than Primary but significantly within the thresholds for both- I'm not stress-immune or entirely guilt-immune, but I do find that my empathy is selective and any guilt I'd have with hurting someone I feel justified in hurting would really be more explained as anxiety over putting myself in a possible, eventual danger. For any feds reading this, I will emphasize that these situations remain hypothetical.
My cynicism towards authority (which I'm not going to bother to hide at this point, it's clearly apparent) may be warping my lens more than it opens the veil, sure, but it's hard to see the label of Psychopathy as anything but a way to make neurodivergence sound illegal, and even if it *is* a distinct disorder there's far too much ethical baggage in even its official diagnoses for me to take it too seriously. The fact that I am by many measures a psychopath is something i hold some degree of humor in, even if the only evidence I have is a couple online tests at this point, mommy issues, and the fact that pretending to be psychopathic for entertainment is in fact a psychopathic trait that the tests have to account for.
I'd go so far as to argue that whatever genuine distinctions can be made all sound suspiciously like a mix of trauma responses, defense mechanisms, and even matters of circumstance an Autistic person might inherit over time- Psychopaths as currently diagnosed sound a lot like "failed" Autistics, and even ones that have "failed upward." This becomes alarming when you note the statistics point to even petty crimes receiving greater punishments on average if the perpetrator can be labeled as a Psychopath.
Guilt is alot like pain, both are important functions. Having too much is detrimental, but having none causes huge problems. Avoiding them is the whole point of having them, eliminating them completely is detrimental.
Surgeons are valuable psychopaths and deserve gratitude for alot of what they do, but we still need to be protected from them with checks and balances around certain things. I don't mean you have to be a psychopath to be a surgeon, but ask anyone who works around them and a pretty clear pattern emerges. Until we have automated systems that surpass the results a human can be capable of these are exactly the people we want in those jobs. We just need to understand that proper scrutiny and accountability are the only reliable disincentives to malpractice.
I don't know about the whole surgeon thing. I also work in a profession involving bodies, mostly dissections / anatomy stuff. But I'm far from a psychopath (like guilt often prevents me from doing stuff and often puts me at a major disadvantage but I just can't surpress it, if I was a psycho I wouldn't have that problem. Like I even feel bad for days just for accidentally being rude to someone) but you just get desensitized after a while. Whilst working the bodies are just objects (that sounds psychotic but if you actually do the work you'll start to see what I mean).
I used to have symptoms when i was a kid but not seriously affected (I had schizophrenia and dependent personality disorder among other things that maybe have not been detected). It was really hard for me to tell lies and didn't have theory of mind in general, and living in a society where concealing was a culture and the culture itself encouraged using a lot of implicit clues to understand the other people, I was in a really big trouble. I gradually found my way by becoming familiar with the environment and my condition with the help of information that i could find around and medications had a big contribution to my healing. I gradually understood people using psychology books and experience that i gained from the events on far and near. It is now both good and bad, I can fabricate very good lies that many people fall into them and i do not like it because i deeply don't like lying and being lied in the first place. I sometimes wonder how i could manipulate this or that guy and how i could have mastered the skill😅. I deeply do not like it but I use it when I really have to.
0:16 somehow reminded me of my sentiments exactly when Elon Musk uttered “I have Asperger’s” on an episode of SNL that he hosted many years ago.
So basically, those with ASD generally lack the intentions of psychopaths and are usually not very good at it?
If true, that's something we should all be grateful for because given only outward appearances, many autistic people seem indistinguishable from psychopaths until one understands the differences in the root causes of their behaviors.
There are two types of freedom:
• negative - freedom from,
and
• positive - freedom for.
A psychopath is free from intrinsic moral constraints. The question is, what are they free for?
*they
I'm on the spectrum, I've gotten the impression people thought I was a school shooter or (something of the like) before. Good to know it's not uncommon.
I'm an aspie. It wasn't until my mid 30s that I started "getting it" when it comes to having a demeanor that sits well with neurotypical people. Today (47) women tell me, unsolicited, that they feel very safe around me.
Dear Dave, I would have liked you to reveal a bit more about which ones you personally ticked!
Thank you for this.
Autism is a spectrum, each individual autistic person is just as different as another than one neuro-typical is from another. For example personally I have no emotional response to things but I have a physical response, for example if I'm at a large party and my social anxiety goes haywire I don't feel scared or anxious, I just get physically sick, legs start shaking, headaches and large amounts of nausea.
Sure, each is different. But they are similar in important ways.
@@DavesGarage 100% there are similarities that helps categorize people and that knowledge is very important to understand. I just don't want someone thinking 'oh you're autistic so you do all of this'. Fun fact: in Australia where I live we used to have a whole range of different words for different types such as Asperger's, but now it all falls under 'ASD' or 'Autism Spectrum Disorder' because of the huge range of types and people, naming each one with all the overlaps just wasn't feasible.
We may all be different but I would spot you within minutes.
A psychopath would not admit they have autism either. In their mind, they are perfection, everything else in the world is inferior and meaningless compared to themselves.
I’m pretty certain I fall somewhere within the autism spectrum, and my son has been diagnosed with it. Others want to put him in special programs, and give him extra time, etc. to perform tasks. I am against this, because the world isn’t going to treat him differently. He needs to be able to function in the world.
When we toured some of the facilities tailored for autistic children, all of the kids there were obviously far worse in outwardly showing autistic behaviors than anything going on with my son. That set off alarm bells for me. We (my wife and I) also chose not to put him on any medications. Doctors wanted to medicate me when I was a child, but my parents were against it. I turned out “OK“, at least enough to function in the world and have a child of my own.
They might, depending on how they viewed autism.
I am also autistic and know people on the spectrum. The one guy I know who were put into one of those programs came out of it without any grades at all, he has to redo high school if he wants to pursue trade school (which is part of high school over here in Norway) or higher education.
If your kid is on the mild end of the spectrum and is capable of functioning normally, then there is no reason for the kid to be in special education. It will only be a detriment to your own childs intelligence and future.
Certain accomodations like extra time depends on your childs struggles. I also have ADHD and had writing difficulties, so I needed the extra time because I was working that much slower.
Medicating autism is a batshit crazy idea to me. ADHD is partially caused by a chronic chemical imbalance in the brain, so at least trying medication to see if it works well or not is a reasonable idea. What I am against is to start children early on ADHD medication.
Could you clarify what you mean by "worse" and why you're implying autism is bad lmao?
@@SnoFitzroy They obviously mean their extremeness on the spectrum. The difference between being a little weird and difficulty functioning alone, it is a wide spectrum and everyone shows their traits a little different after all.
Why are you searching for problems where there are none lol?
6:11 Dude, how did you know about the helicopter? Now all my evil plans are ruined 🤫 🚁 😈
You are my dad 😍
I remember in college where a non-trivial portion of the undergrad class was probably spectrum to one degree or another when I read that book. One of the other students that had seemed a bit off checked most of the boxes for psychopathy instead. Gave that dude a wide berth after I figured out what was up.
I had a friend who described himself as maybe having Autism. But for me he had much more resemblance to a Psychopath. This lists, somewhat confirmed it. Well, there were reasons why I broke contact 10 years ago.
It never even occurred to me to compare and contrast psychopathy and autism.
That thumbnail was not on my bingo card for today.
That’s so quirky bro
Sociopaths are more common than psychopaths, and can be quite a lot more difficult to detect.
6 dependents plus some many thousands of semi-dependents. Thanks for the video Dave.
Hi Dave, you might want to go deeper on the subject,
Psychopathy is not universally accepted as a condition among psychologists but commonly considered as a set of extreme traits on the ASPD spectrum, just like Autism is on ASD.
Psychopathy and Autism are exclusive but it's not true for ASPD and ASD, and both Autistic and Psychopath can be on the other spectrum.
I don't believe someone will find psychopaths in autistic people. However, there's a very thin line between a genius and a psychopath.
@@DamirUlovecgenerally psychopaths have lower iq on average. They just achieve stuff because they don't care about their nor others safety. Ie they brute force results.
As an autistic, I am constantly pulling my hair out at how you don't question things. You always go deeply into why autistic behavior is they way that it is, and what lead to that behavior, but for psychopaths you stop short at the surface level
You also have autistic representation (you), but go primarily off of movie characters for the psychopaths, which is entirely based off surface level. Imagine if someone gave a similar video and used autistic depictions in film as their example
2:53 I love flashing beige.
well spoken
As others have said, the much more interesting thing would be to compare and contrast with sociopathy. Do some research from sociopaths first though, versus just people looking to diagnose a disorder. Read "sociopath: a memoir" and "confessions of a sociopath". It will be eye opening. Sincerely, a sociopath in a relationship with an autistic, who has done tons of comparison of the two as a result. 😁
You are a fine person, Dave!
Im going to keep asking
Will there be an audio book version coming out for your books?
As soon as AI gets high enough quality, or I get the time to record it, or someone with a good track record publishes the audiobook!
I use an app called ReadEraPremium. Some of the installable speach synthesis isn't bad, and it plays in the background so you are not destracted by the light of the screen.
This would be amazing! I've tried to use different text to speech tools but it's difficult to listen to and follow along with the annunciations being all over. I'll keep an eye out!
@@DavesGarageDistribute pages to your followers to read!! I’d certainly do a few pages for free.
Got a link to the double helix lamp in the background?
6:20 I'm not sure we do better on the "realistic" part. Our craving for structure often causes us to make plans that require a more stable world than actually exists. And then we often have poor planning (and general executive function) skills in general, especially if ADHD is involved. AuDHDers, if we have long term plans, tend to take a big hit on the realism of those plans because ADHD and Autism want lots of contradictory things (I think I'll order all the structure that you have, but could I get that without structure, please?).
Generally I'm very disconnected from my emotions. I automatically surpress them I've noticed and perceive most things (even things happening to me) as a spectator. The only emotion that forces me to act though is guilt. If I've done something bad I feel a strong urge to correct it...
One thing that complicates this is alexithymia. In my case, I just feel weird, when I am internalizing some emotion but can't identify what it is, or in other cases I am not aware I am feeling any emotion and just get physical symptoms instead. This seems like a trait that is more common in the ASD population, though the severity varies with the individual. I've learned that I am not a psychopath, as I have emotions, but I am often just not aware I have them. This also makes it hard to judge emotions in others. I previously thought I did well at this, but learned that most were just adapting to my lack of awareness more than anything else, haha. Apologies if you mentioned this in your other video, I only watched this one.
To clarify. I ended up having high blood pressure, but was young enough to confuse the doctors. At this point, it seems pretty clear that it's mostly from chronic stress... but I am unaware of the stress I am feeling, so I'm unable to regulate it. Worse, I still can't readily identify stress from anxiety, from frustration, and so on. I was given an "emotion wheel" wheel that tries to illustrate different emotions and how they branch off. However, to me, it's mostly a good/bad thing, if I even recognize it. Funnily enough, I thought this was normal until about a year ago when I was diagnosed with alexithymia.
You did need to say this, not for yourself, but because I've seen these being conflated online.
I have extreme sensitivity to physical pain. Also, I hate being touched, for example I hate having my hair cut; as a child I was frightened of it. I feel other people's pain very strongly, also. I suspect that im on the spectrum, but I dont know.
Please do a vid of the venn diagram of the overlap between narcissistic and Munchausen-by-proxy.
Thank you
Can you touch on Autism and Anxiety?
How do you deal with your anxieties?
Anxiety is a comorbid symptom of Autism. As in, it should not be treated with cognitive therapy like regular anxiety. The TL;DR is "Get rid of your stressors and the anxiety goes away".
I left my last job because the person in charge was a psychopath. Every time I had to deal with his crap it triggered my autistic disproportionate responses and outbursts. To save my mental health I resigned. I absolutely loved that job too.
QUESTIONS : It is not related in the video but if you have time please answer this, I think you are the only right person to answer this.
A year ago someone told me that to maintain my PC's health I need to clear temporary files from %temp% folder, second is I need to clear files from prefetch
those two procedure can be access using Windows search or run.
I've been doing this for almost a year, yeah I can say that it helps my PC but can you explain why? or is this a good practices?
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Most likely placebo. Temp files should be deleted automatically on a regular basis, with Windows 10 and 11, depending on your settings. I suppose it's possible this setting was disabled, or you have some misbehaved applications creating excess temp files, but in general that shouldn't be an issue that needs intervention. Even if your files are building up there, there isn't a performance penalty. This usually will not result in slowdown with SSDs, but I suppose it is possible if you have a HDD still, since the angular velocity differences as the drive gets filled up. So, cleanout the temp directory if you want, but maybe just for storage space reasons, not performance. In terms of prefetch, this is a false optimization. Prefetch is used to cache data based on access patterns, making your computer faster to boot and launch applications (hence, prefetch, fetching in advance). Clearing out prefetch is unnecessary, and will actually slow down your computer as Windows will be forced to recreate the prefetch files again.
@@JimBob1937 Thank you for your answer I highly appreciate the efforts.
It enlighten me, Thanks!
What I learned from this video is that I am a psychopathic autistic person.
Brilliant, video.
Glad you enjoyed it!