Hearing your bike gave me chills! Was unsure whether to buy just slip on, full system or only headers... but this video made it clear for me. No need for full system. BTW, have an S1000R 2017.
I am running full Akro and Brentune and love how light and powerful the bike is. This looks like an amazing bargain. Love the new Bosch ECU which retunes itself.
Just ordered a set yesterday for delivery to Australia. Mine is a 5/21 so it's going to get a tune straight away. Looking forward to seeing yours tuned as well.
Let me know how you get on and check bhpuk out they can send you a device to plug and play and upload a tuned map. Makes a noticeable difference and removes that annoying cold start feature!
How long did it take for your headers to arrive in Australia. How much if you don’t mind for the headers shipping etc? I’m in Melbourne and looking to get the headers too!
@@ΘεόδωροςΝτουγερόγλου-π1σ it was about 2-3 weeks. Shipping price was included in purchase price. They are awesome and I thoroughly recommend them. You definitely need to get a tune afterwards though and you don't need a new muffler as the OEM exhaust sounds great. I think it was about $900 for the headers all up plus a tune around $1,300.
Great video, bike sounds great! On the parts where you're using the lav mic, sound is only coming through left channel...not sure if others are getting that too?
That sounds much better, I bought new s1000 last year , it seems to lack bottom end compared to my old 16 plate s1000, I was wondering if it was just strangled with being euro 5.
Something to aware of is that oxygen sensor, its looks like it’s sitting on the engine casing, so I don’t know if you want have a look to see if you can clip it out the way
Very nice, but I’m sure the neighbors won’t enjoy it as much when it pops.😁 I think you have to put a header on in order to see any real improvement in performance. I put a Competition Werkes pipe on my old Street Triple 675 and while it sounded great, it ran like crap until the dealership re-flashed the ECU. Even then, I didn’t notice any change in power.
Well he's concerned about his neighbors when he rides early so I think the Headers with Stock muffler gives it the right sounds when on the throttle but has just enough muffle to quiet the idle. I have just a Leo Vince slip on and am considering going back to stock muffler when the headers get installed for that reason.
Where do we stand when it comes to the MOT if we get rid of the Euro 5 nastiness? I am thinking of doing as you have done, I think it sounds much better and I agree with what you have said about the fuelling in a later video. I am a bit concerned about dumping the euro 5 to find I have a issue a couple of years down the road. BMW (understandably as a main dealer) tell me not to as they say it could cause issues with things like being illegal, riding in London for example. Have you kept your original set for MOT purposes? I am on the fence between getting the flash with the Euro 5 still on to try to sort the fueling or to go ahead and change the lot. I would really appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks for the question! Bikes are not tested for emissions in the U.K so nothing to worry there. If a MOT garage failed your bike for an exhaust then that business won't be around for very long. Literally every biker changes their exhaust. Anyhow you can always keep the original headers anyway in case any future legality mean you need to stick it back on. Main dealer will have to tell otherwise
@@BikesofRye Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. Have you come across anyone doing the flash update while keeping the original headers, or is that a waste of time? My main issue so far has been the fuelling, I have had an old 600 that was far smoother but that was long before any of the Euro 5 nonsense. I am not complaining about the ride quality, generally love the bike but that would be my one gripe. I'm not that bothered about a couple of horses more but getting rid of some flat spots would be nice. Also I will probably ride it around for a while just to make sure no issue before tinkering, just incase I had to take it back for warranty issue, unlikely but feels a bit silly to do it in the first couple of weeks of ownership, maybe I am wrong? Whilst I am hear, thanks for all the videos you do, they have been really helpful. It is fantastic to be able to follow the journey as it gives an invaluable insight, the gueninuely do help, so credit where it is due.
Hi, i fitted the same headers as you but when i started the bike i had an engine light. road it for a small bit but didn't reset. did you have this happen to you
The worst thing about owning a brand new bike is running it in and waiting to do certain mods. I've got a 'double R' so I'm really interested to see how you get on with this bike as I think I'm getting too old for mine.
Keep toying with putting black widows headers on my XR, comes with an Akro but sounds naff, is yours now loads louder than before? (Cameras dont pick up the true sound)
maybe as its legally track use only. As is I don't think it sounds better or goes any faster. Just get a belly ban that covers the fugly cat imo and save the environment and neighbours.
My 2017 XR has Akropovic headers and stage 3 Brentune. I kept the standard tail pipe as the 2017 Akro adds no benefit for an extra $1000 and looks ugly. Sounds fantastic! I also shift back to road mode when approaching suburbs after a weekend ride.
great sound, but i think it is selfish. you should live near a nice, popular twistie road, to have every weekend with good weather turned in to a race track. (wich will eventually lead to people banning bikers on weekend, like in the nice parts of Austria) And catalisers are there to protect OUR environment. All this and all that cost for an extra couple of horsepower that are not usable on public roads. I make it a rule to 'shift back' my XR to 'road' when passing build up areas. Of course, you are free to do as you like.
Proper! Absolutely no need for a slip-on. Clean setup.
Hearing your bike gave me chills! Was unsure whether to buy just slip on, full system or only headers... but this video made it clear for me. No need for full system. BTW, have an S1000R 2017.
I am running full Akro and Brentune and love how light and powerful the bike is. This looks like an amazing bargain. Love the new Bosch ECU which retunes itself.
I honestly don't remember anyone doing these comparisons and keeping the stock can. It really shows what all that Euro5 stuff robs us of.
The MT10 is another great example, fit even just a decat link pipe to stock headers and can and it sounds incredible
VERY VERY interesting that has surprised me nice work mate
Just ordered a set yesterday for delivery to Australia. Mine is a 5/21 so it's going to get a tune straight away. Looking forward to seeing yours tuned as well.
Let me know how you get on and check bhpuk out they can send you a device to plug and play and upload a tuned map. Makes a noticeable difference and removes that annoying cold start feature!
How long did it take for your headers to arrive in Australia.
How much if you don’t mind for the headers shipping etc?
I’m in Melbourne and looking to get the headers too!
@@ΘεόδωροςΝτουγερόγλου-π1σ it was about 2-3 weeks. Shipping price was included in purchase price. They are awesome and I thoroughly recommend them. You definitely need to get a tune afterwards though and you don't need a new muffler as the OEM exhaust sounds great. I think it was about $900 for the headers all up plus a tune around $1,300.
Sounds really good and raspy, has a good tone, not just loud.
Sounds great mate! You defnetly need a tail tidy (NRC) and bar end mirrors (CRG)?
Sounds lovely, did the same on my Z 900, lost the cat, fitted Leo Vince factory S can, got removable baffle, but too loud without it.
Sounds brilliant and not too loud I reckon. shame you can't keep the small black exhaust cover though
great video! great comparison
Great video, bike sounds great! On the parts where you're using the lav mic, sound is only coming through left channel...not sure if others are getting that too?
It’s fine for me
Only left side for me too
That, sounds, AWESOME!👏 Loving those pops and bangs🤤
It's going to be interesting to compare when it's been tuned too
That sounds great mate 👍🏻
Damn, I’ve been wanting a s1000rr but the s1000r is also starting to pull me in.
That sounds much better, I bought new s1000 last year , it seems to lack bottom end compared to my old 16 plate s1000, I was wondering if it was just strangled with being euro 5.
Yep, better get your Brentune
Wow 😮 absolutely amazing 🤩
I now know what bike I really want now 👌👌👌
Let the shopping commence 👌
Nice sound improvement any performance add?
I mean, I wouldn't want to be your neighbour but that sounds awesome.
Sounds mint. I’m thinking of doing this on my XR. Scorpion end can.
Something to aware of is that oxygen sensor, its looks like it’s sitting on the engine casing, so I don’t know if you want have a look to see if you can clip it out the way
Sounds fantastic
"Yes officer it is the stock exhaust"
Sounds amazing 😊
Bike is looking and sounding good 👍
Love it. Sounds great
Very nice, but I’m sure the neighbors won’t enjoy it as much when it pops.😁
I think you have to put a header on in order to see any real improvement in performance. I put a Competition Werkes pipe on my old Street Triple 675 and while it sounded great, it ran like crap until the dealership re-flashed the ECU. Even then, I didn’t notice any change in power.
afaik, it only pops in dynamic pro (even stock). Just put it in any other mode setting and no pops.
Just got my s1000, would I be able to order the same headers to the US and have bmw install them?
Yes Black Widow ship to the US and you can have any reputable motorcycle mechanic install them.
Did you have to have the bike remapped due to losing the cat ?
Sounds very nice 👍🏼
He will do, yes. Or at least it should be for it to run well and not run lean.
Sounds insane massive improvment over stock, just got to change the can now 😁
Excellent music that is lad,
Hi did the bike run okay without a tune thanks
Definitely an improvement, just curious, why didn’t you go for a full system? (Headers to muffler)
The muffler is already pretty much straight through. And it's quite small
cost..probably…a few more views on these videos and that won’t be an issue
Well he's concerned about his neighbors when he rides early so I think the Headers with Stock muffler gives it the right sounds when on the throttle but has just enough muffle to quiet the idle. I have just a Leo Vince slip on and am considering going back to stock muffler when the headers get installed for that reason.
Did you have yo tuned after? Or is the bike could run ok without a tuned?
Money well spent. Crackn' good bike!
Ha bisogno di mappa motore per i collettori black widow?
Where do we stand when it comes to the MOT if we get rid of the Euro 5 nastiness? I am thinking of doing as you have done, I think it sounds much better and I agree with what you have said about the fuelling in a later video. I am a bit concerned about dumping the euro 5 to find I have a issue a couple of years down the road. BMW (understandably as a main dealer) tell me not to as they say it could cause issues with things like being illegal, riding in London for example. Have you kept your original set for MOT purposes? I am on the fence between getting the flash with the Euro 5 still on to try to sort the fueling or to go ahead and change the lot. I would really appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks for the question! Bikes are not tested for emissions in the U.K so nothing to worry there. If a MOT garage failed your bike for an exhaust then that business won't be around for very long. Literally every biker changes their exhaust. Anyhow you can always keep the original headers anyway in case any future legality mean you need to stick it back on. Main dealer will have to tell otherwise
@@BikesofRye Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. Have you come across anyone doing the flash update while keeping the original headers, or is that a waste of time? My main issue so far has been the fuelling, I have had an old 600 that was far smoother but that was long before any of the Euro 5 nonsense. I am not complaining about the ride quality, generally love the bike but that would be my one gripe. I'm not that bothered about a couple of horses more but getting rid of some flat spots would be nice. Also I will probably ride it around for a while just to make sure no issue before tinkering, just incase I had to take it back for warranty issue, unlikely but feels a bit silly to do it in the first couple of weeks of ownership, maybe I am wrong? Whilst I am hear, thanks for all the videos you do, they have been really helpful. It is fantastic to be able to follow the journey as it gives an invaluable insight, the gueninuely do help, so credit where it is due.
Hi, i fitted the same headers as you but when i started the bike i had an engine light. road it for a small bit but didn't reset. did you have this happen to you
Just curious as to why the standard Can
The worst thing about owning a brand new bike is running it in and waiting to do certain mods. I've got a 'double R' so I'm really interested to see how you get on with this bike as I think I'm getting too old for mine.
Goldwing time mate
@@EthanolEnthusiast Nah, Harley and chaps with a b on the back.
Keep toying with putting black widows headers on my XR, comes with an Akro but sounds naff, is yours now loads louder than before? (Cameras dont pick up the true sound)
Just curious. Do you wear full gear when you go for a proper ride? 😊
Yes full leathers
@@BikesofRye I thought so 🔥💪 like your content, keep it up mate 👍
Sounds like that was in DPro mode. Would be even better with an aftermarket slip-on. Wonder if removing the cat voided your warranty?
maybe as its legally track use only. As is I don't think it sounds better or goes any faster. Just get a belly ban that covers the fugly cat imo and save the environment and neighbours.
Not sure what you did with the audio, maybe you did a 'normalise' on the whole track? That would explain why I can't hear what you're saying?
Must need a remap after that ?
black widow are sick. cold start / accelerate up through the revs a fair bit then let the throttle off = po po POP oP pppp P POP pop pop haha
I love it! But if you get that 1 cop...🤣
I like SE.
My 2017 XR has Akropovic headers and stage 3 Brentune. I kept the standard tail pipe as the 2017 Akro adds no benefit for an extra $1000 and looks ugly. Sounds fantastic!
I also shift back to road mode when approaching suburbs after a weekend ride.
Did you just disconnect the exhaust servo cables and left the actuator connrcted to the bike!
Do you need to flash ECU or smth?
No need but you will unlock more power if you do
Need end can and tune
It sounds like a 4T shifter kart
Show your bike to compare 😊
Why black widow surely with a bike like that you go Akra. Cheap parts go on a cheap bike?
Need end can
dB difference?
Way too🤪niiiccceeeee✌️
great sound, but i think it is selfish.
you should live near a nice, popular twistie road, to have every weekend with good weather turned in to a race track. (wich will eventually lead to people banning bikers on weekend, like in the nice parts of Austria)
And catalisers are there to protect OUR environment.
All this and all that cost for an extra couple of horsepower that are not usable on public roads.
I make it a rule to 'shift back' my XR to 'road' when passing build up areas.
Of course, you are free to do as you like.
extremely loud, bad idea. Just this will get us blocked from all the roads in Europe
It actually isn't as loud as you think especially when you install a proper silencer rather than keep the stock one in place. Check out my other vids
@@BikesofRye yes good you did that! Thank you. Now that sounds a lot better, darker, deeper and not annoying loud