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Groundbreaking! Dodonpachi DaiOuJou PS2 Review! Masterpiece!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Groundbreaking! Dodonpachi DaiOuJou PS2 Review! Masterpiece! In today's video I discuss one of the greatest shoot em' up (shmup) ports of all time, Dodonpachi DaiOuJou (White Label) for the Playstation 2. What is important to understand about this port is that, unlike many other releases that are coming out these days on platforms like the PS4 or Nintendo Switch, DDP DOJ by Arika was lovingly crafted by a team of experts that included three Dodonpachi Superplayers: Laos, NAL, and Clover TAC! What's also immensly impressive about this port is the vast amount of additional features like 240p tate, training mode (simulation mode), superplay dvd, robust replay system, no bullet mode, and of course the famous Death Label boss rush which is so hard it took a Japanese superplayer, MON, seven years to defeat it! If you are a fan of CAVE, or Danmaku (bullet hell), or even STG in general, this is definitely a must own, especially since it has somehow managed to escape the high prices that we see for its Xbox 360 Black Label Version! Also the arranged ost that is included absolutely slaps!
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I bought this and the excellent EspGaluda port when they were released for my shiny new white Japanese PS2. Good times. Still have and play them too.
Yes galuda on ps2 is also awesome, especially the arrange mode :-D
Mark, you should write a book about shmups. I think a lot of people (me) would enjoy having all your knowledge and insight in a book! Lavishly illustrated with pink bullet hell images of course.
I have been thinking about it! I def will at some point :-)
Also, this game's incredible emphasis on accessibility via its amazingly varied wealth of options for training mode feels really relevant right now in mid-November 2021 with the recent social media whining that's begun from "hardcore" players complaining about Elden Ring providing checkpoints/respawn points prior to all of its boss fights. DOJ is probably one of the hardest games ever made and its devs have no qualms with giving players all the tools they need to practice and master it. From Software is doing the same with Elden Ring by giving players ways to minimize frustration as they learn the ins and outs of bosses, and yet "hardcore" players somehow believe that this makes bosses easier or damages the difficulty of the game.
Yeah most "hardcore" players these days are actually sort of scrubby ha. The only reason why training options would be seen as a negative is by someone who doesn't have any experience with playing games that are actually very difficult.
Souls(style) games putting checkpoints right in front of bosses is great, vast majority of the time you would have had to do anything more in previous entries it didn't provide a meaningful challenge, just wasted time and killed the flow, I'm 100% on board with Elden Ring's direction here (not that sekiro was really any different) simply because of the way the games are built. Big reason bed of chaos is such an awful thing instead of a janky but altogether not very hard setpiece is the minute and a half run TO the arena. To a lesser extent, something like riding the elevator every time you died to Dragonslayer Armor sucked.
but you seem to be (rather smugly) promoting an absolutist line of thought that would go as far as to dictate every game should have save states or 'training' options for every section of every stage and boss when that simply would not be an appropriate fit for many. Tell me you learned to max rank a Mega Man Zero or Devil May Cry game by save and load stating constantly to grind out muscle memory and I will suggest that we did not have anywhere close to the same experience. I think it's absurd to argue otherwise. It's up to the developer to decide how to approach checkpoint placement and training options like this but it's also quite plausible doing too much could push a game's balance in a direction that a reasonable player could fine to be too forgiving.
Great review, I second this as my favorite shmup port of all time. I got my DOJ 1-ALL with this port. Got my J-PS2 hooked up to my Blast City in 15khz mode with the Sync Strike for a complete PCB-like experience.
Hell yeah!!! This is a really cool way to play white label
The amount of insight and helpful info into this release as well as the 360 release is invaluable!
I'm really glad to hear that! Yes I hoped to clear up some of the more niche aspects of this port as well as the 360 version
Not my fav DDP, but bringing this port to modern hardware or M2 it up with all these amazing features like this could win me over 😆
I now fully understand Mark's golden standard for ports even more.
I'm glad to hear that! Yes quality ports definitely are out there, just tend to be a bit under the radar.
Comment aged like fine wine.
We got the M2 release.
Don’t forget about the arrange bgm that sounds badass
I can’t stop playing this game and watching this review
Great review Mark! I was totally overlooking this port, this is a perfect way for me to play it. And that replay feature is really cool.
I’m gonna be playing DOJ and a bunch of other Cave, Raizing, etc games at a big arcade later today, I’ll throw some pics up on the Reddit
Oh that s awesome! Sounds like a killer arcade
I JUST grabbed a copy of this for a decent price on eBay, and I thought about your video right after I got it. This has to be one of my favorite shmups and ports of all time.
I bought a copy of this from a local arcade cafe a couple of years ago for only £50. Sadly I never got around to giving it a quick playthrough and now it's in some box in another country. I better get it back just to have it on my shelf. Also I love the art and music you used in the video.
Yes can t leave your doj behind! Also thanks I made it using some existing assets but still took some effort to get the thing to blend together
ill say this you are probably the only channel i would turn on the notifications for. end of statement. some channels post early in the morning or at odd hours. but i really enjoy watching your live streams and would turn them on to not miss any
I m really glad to hear that! ❤️
Awesome review, when I decide to tackle White Label it will definitely be this version for that sweet sweet arrange OST
The arrange does slap!!
I got this in 2005 when I was 16 years old.
But the game was too frustrating for me at the time so I sold it some years later. Probably because at the time, tate'ing contemporary TVs was a crapshoot unless you knew what you were doing so I had to play it in a small and intolerable format.
But I distinctly remember the super play replays and DVD. I also managed to get to 1-5 in Death Label with Shotia bomb spam lmao, and then my brain stopped working when two Hibachis appeared.
I wonder how M2’s port will stack up to this one, hopefully better.
Excellent review as always Mark!
Hey, great review! A few years ago I bought my copy of this game for twenty or thirty bucks on ebay, so the price has definitely been increasing. I never got that good at Daioujou but no doubt it's a fun game.
That's a nice pickup price! I remember it being around $50 a few years back but really in comparison to all the other soaring prices a bump to about $70 isn't so bad.
Great overview! I will need to pick this port up. I might have missed you mentioning it in the review, but hopefully it has a Novice mode lol. I just picked up SDOJ on the 360 and I really like it, but it is super brutal. I'm enjoying these games either way though.
You can drop the game difficulty to easy in the game difficulty settings I believe. That should tone down the enemy rank :-)
Awesome. I play this on my Sakura pink PS2, with a hori real arcade pro 2 sa.. and thanks to you after first discovering you like 3 years ago.
7 years? Pah, I've been trying to finish R-Type for 34 years XD. Anyhows I really need to dust off my old PS2 with HD Loader and get this and the other good shmups going so very cool video and thanks for the inspiration!
absolutely!! The ps2 cave ports are def worth the effort, some of them are hit and miss but galuda and doj are fantastic
Death Label alone makes this Console port worth it
*Never forget that man who beat it*
Hey Mark, did you hear about this game’s upcoming rerelease courtesy of M2? They have done a stellar job bringing back titles from the past. I’m extremely excited for it especially as a kid who grew up in the 2000’s with SpongeBob SquarePants, Kingdom Hearts and such. And it’ll be releasing 18 days before Christmas and it’s going to be one of my gifts this year along with a Series X and a Seija Fumo. I will definitely play it on my PS5 once I get it from under my tree.
I am extremely excited for the upcoming DOJ port, I'll be all over it for sure!
@@TheElectricUnderground I look forward to seeing that.
I got this game for $42 5 years ago. The fact that it's only $70 even after the pandemic is pretty surprising.
Yeah it continues to sneak under the radar :-)
I wish there was a modern port of this game that was as well made as the PS2 version but included Black Label and released on PC or Switch. And maybe Resurrection's even better training mode, but that might be just asking for a bit too much lol
Me too! Done by m2 specifically
Say no moar! Just got announced this morning for ps4 for now!! Yasss
it's funny how full circle gaming has gone now, where back then developers would have 3 of the best players in the world looking over every single little thing in the game to make sure it's the best game possible, and now we release half finished games plagued with issues because we as the consumer should be grateful for it now, always found that interesting
💯 I know these devs these days do not respect the audience
Another great vid. Now, are you going to review the G mode mobile version that came out on steam today?! Whilst not in the same league it is a fascinating curio from the times of mobile java games of the period. Would be cool to get your take on it.
I would but I don't think i am going to because there is so little to comment on. Basically the mobile versions are kinda cute for what they are, but are not great as a whole just because they are so limited.
@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm just astonished how much the dev managed to cram in there and how well it plays when compared to alot of the java games I remember playing at the time, alot of which were complete rubbish really. Back then,( I'm old!!) no one ever really expected phone games to be as good as or even try and compete with consoles for market share. I still don't think they are generally as good as console even today but things have come a long way since then .
Yes i have this one too....very good shmup...a better PS2 port than mushihime-sama for many people
yes especially since the xbox 360 port of mushi is much better then the ps2 version, it's like the reverse of the doj ports ha
No Bullets Mode also seems good for a casual player as a form of stress relief
For sure!
The super play DVD included with the game is an NTSC-2 DVD. DVD video playback region encoding is separate from videogame software region encoding. If you don't have an NTSC-2 region DVD player, try running it in software like VLC Media Player that can ignore region playback restrictions.
The most annoying aspect of the video is a lack of any chapters... the replay is simply one long single chapter. Thankfully, with the ESPGaluda DVD they added in chapters for each of the levels.
Yes for sure!!! I just gotta fix my DVD drive on my computer too ha
The screen shot of "shadow of colossus" lol 😂
XD
How about M2 DoDonPachi definite collection? I would buy that in a heartbeat.
That would be pretty amazing, especially if they included campaign version of ddp!
im glad to own a copy of this ,now i just gotta practice to be good from stage 3 onwards
Yes! Don't feel bad when I was first learning the game I practiced the minecart section of stage four for literally 3 hours in one sitting once.
I got all these games lol, dodon, especially, mushi etc. Swap magic ftw, man I miss the ps2 days.
Yes swap magic ❤️ PS2 days were awesome
@@TheElectricUnderground u ever play berserk? Kind of like a dark souls before dark souls.
“They don’t make ‘em like they used to.”
I enjoyed your video! thanks!
Thanks for tuning in!! ❤️
Dreaming with a steam port of it.
PS4 port coming soon!!
@@TheElectricUnderground Wish I had a PS4 😅
6:34 how you can select 240p assuming your ps2 is hooked up via component cables?
I believe the only way to enter 240p is by playing in tate mode. I tried using it in horizontal mode but with no luck. But tate mode is where it is at anyway XD
What you think about the livewire Switch resurrection Version Dropping on 25.11 , did you Play IT allready maybe??
No not yet, I don't get advanced copies that often. But I will def cover it!
You're turning into my Shump buddy. You know more than I do lol, but on a serious note. I don't really understand why we don't have Ibara or this on the Switch.. This is the best one we got Resurrection instead. Just like Toaplan M2 has done a great job but we're not getting the better more hardcore Shumps from them either. I can think of so many like we have Ikaruga but not Radiant Silvergun. And none of the Raizing games PS has Battle Gregga we need some love on the Switch.
Oh did you ever try Slipheed on PS2, the story about that game was interesting.. They thought it was going to be a hit and it didn't sell like they thought it would. Seeing I thought they did a great job with it.
I'm glad to hear it!! I think the issue with ibara is that it was ported to the ps2 and that port is an ugly mess. So they would either need to do a fresh port (which would be awesome) or try to salvage the ps2 version. Whereas the 360 games they can just pop in the oven and push out on switch ha.
@@TheElectricUnderground Most definitely they need to do a fresh port. Guwange same thing. I love Cave games.
Music at the end of the Patreon credits plz? 👀
Doj black label Xbox 360 arrange :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground never noticed, I only listened the original OST, the PS2 arrange music to the weird Mobile DX port :0
Thanks a ton buddy ^^
Fun fact: this game can now be played on Android thru play! Ps2 Emulator without fps issues XD
(Along with mushihimesama)
Tho... Using the analog touch control is pain.
Was searching for touhou ps2 homebrew games and i ended up finding a treasure.
I would image ha! Also the ps2 emulator is a laggy boy! Kinda of a cool idea though.
I booted this up on emulator just for the replay take over mechanic helped me learn to chain stage 1 in about 4 days and I found a bunch of old superplay replay files for this version after a couple hours of digging online it only comes with b l super plays that kinda sucks
Oh wow where did you find the super play replay files?!!
Hopefully this makes it to switch!
I wonder if they will port over the 360 version like Mushi? I'm not as sure since DOJ BL + was made by 5pb rather then in-house. You never know though!
I know you were not to keen on the mushi port. Did you get a chance to play it on your tated crt? It looks and plays really good I think. Mushi and Ibara make me regret selling my modded Ps2 and crt.
The mushi port on ps2 is ok, but the slowdown accuracy is actually too slow (sort of rare problem) and I think it would be ok, but for the fact that the 360 port and steam ports are just a lot better. Sort of how xbox 360 ketsui is ok but deathtiny just destroys it. So in a vacuum the ps2 mushi port isn't awful, but it's just inferior to the other ports.
14:45 and the tamashii version exclusively for the pgm2
interesting!
Hi, could you put the subtitles in Spanish, a big greeting brother.✌️
Hi there! I think the autocaptions should be ready to roll by the time the video premiers :-)
He'd have to speak your language, bro
Has anyone actually uploaded those DVD superplays to TH-cam? Even if I somehow managed to find a PS2 copy of DOJ, I don't think I'll be able to find a Japanese PS2 that can allow me to play those superplay movies. Anyway, if this port highlighted the importance of anything, it's the importance of having actual good players playtesting your game, and not just random shmucks doing the job. Imagine if someone like Zeromaster was in charge of playtesting all Doom ports or someone like Carcinogen in charge of playtesting all classic Resident Evil ports. We'd have way better ports.
Hang tight because I am going to upload them to this channel soon :-) Also yes, the efforts of quality porting, like this release, def need to be recognized.
I nabbed a copy of this earlier this year. Sucks that the Xbox 360 copy wasn't ported well.
yeah 5pb did not do a great jab, it's ok but I would like to see an improved port (like ketsui got)
Picked this up a while ago but I still need to mod my PS2 to play it 😬
Not a problem!! Ps2 modding is pretty straightforward! I'd recommend the tape, straw, and tissue mod using james bond agent under fire :-)
Of all the 4 Cave Ps2 games, this one is the only one were you can deactivate bilinear filtering.
Too bad they forced this filter in the other 3 games because it makes them look much uglier... especially Mushihime Sama.
Got a question. How's Daioujou on Steam/PC?
Oh wait it's not out yet sry lol
Yes sadly no steam release, you can emulate it though :-)
What sort of mod have you got going on with your PS3?
Unfortunatley i am quite the whimp, so without an easy mode, this is not the port for me. I actually bought the 360 version (100 euros) because it has the X mode which is kinda easy mode. And although its fair to criticise this port, but for the more casual shmup player like me, its perfectly fine. And yes. DOJ still needs the definitive port with with all the goodness we know from M2, that could be the ultimate shmup in fact.
There is an easy mode of this port actually :-) in the settings you can drop the dip switch to easy :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground Oh really? But is it actually easy then? Many shmups have these settings but i can rarly tell the difference
Can you also practice specific part of the level/bosses?
Sadly no, that was a bit later of a feature in shmup ports. You can select to either the start of the stage or the boss, but no mid boss select sadly.
I have this version but I preferred to have it on xbox 360, on the other hand I find it difficult 😅
Yeah doj is a tough one! But excellent!
@@TheElectricUnderground I like this community th-cam.com/video/p-C28bGWQE0/w-d-xo.html
i wonder if the dvd would play on a modded og xbox
I actually don't think it would. According to me research it is in this really funky region coding so I think the xbox wouldn't know what to do, even when modded. I tried using my modded ps3 that plays everything and even that rejected the disc.
@@TheElectricUnderground definitely back it up I went to play a few of my ps2 era dvd movies this weekend and two that I wanted to watched failed to read on several different machines. I’m guess they have disc rot of the heat of Texas got them.
I wish I could play this. I have a ps2 but it isn't working properly as it should. And the ps2 emulator for pc has some issues with the graphics that makes the game basically unplayable :\
yeah the ps2 emulator is pretty jank, I'd go though shmuparch route if you want to emulate doj :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground I'll try that one out, a shame it doesn't have Death Label though.
I saw someone selling this game for only.. The moment you mention the price, I bet this would $150 tomorrow
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Yeah no kidding, luckily i'm not popular enough to really impact the pricing. I mean ... I wish I was ha, but not currently something to worry about.
Is there a American version to for Playstation 2 are only Japanese and but this version is not better than the Xbox 360 version Black Label extra🕹🎮😀👍🏾
Japan only 🗾
Xbox360 Port is really good cuz all the extra stuff and the graphics is better🕹🎮😀👍🏾
I bought this and quickly found out it was region locked...bummer
freemcboot! That's how I get around the region lock :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground hey thanks
i thought this port was laggy etc?
ill revisit, its what original got me into the game & pcb
N👾CE
Thanks! 🙏
Best Dodonpachi, too much dificult. My english is not the best.
DOJ is the greatest shmup of all time in my book :-D
Haha
The 360 one has shocking loading and sluggish menus pre patch but post its...alreet...pre patch its grand theft auto levels of wrong...gaaah!
Yeah and even post patch the load times are still about a minute or so sadly