There were 72 desciples but all left the message of Jesus only 12 left because Jesus said EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD they searched in the scriptures they didn't find proof they left the message 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's great to find another channel exposing WMB and the message! I joined the message when I was 16 and got out at 44. I was in it 28 years. It's so great when anyone gets out!!!
I need to send this to my family members. They r so deep deep into the msg. They almost believe no one can have an encpunter with God but only them. They say pple should not sing for God or pray long prayers. So many other things
I just turned 20 years old all my life I was been in message and I really did everything to fit in I even pass night at church to pray in order for God to remove my loneliness and isolation and I began to have doubt my doubts where enforced by believe the sign, I have decided to live my life without feeling caged and I really want God to be part of my life
@@morning-mercy As a message believer, I don't deny that it also fell into the wrong hands. I came into the message through an adulterous pastor, but his sins couldn't get me away from, the love of Christ, my Lord and Savior.
Malachi 4 :1behold the day is coming that will burn like an oven and all evil doers will be stubble and the day which is coming shall burn them up says the lord of hosts and it will not leave ROOTS NOR BRANCHES malachi 4 :5_6 behold I shall send Elijah the prophet before this great and dreadful day of the lord now William Branham is malachi 4 :5-6 a prophet when comes must fulfill the scriptures in the Bible John Baptist fulfilled Isaiah 40:3 William Branham is malachi 4 and your prophets are fulfilling which scripture in the Bible? I don't have time to watch a TV looking at nakedness and but if you want TV watch news and things of God this message is for his children not everyone thank you but we still love you if you are a seed of Abraham you will come back
he cant be because some of his prohecies did not come to pass, and according to the bible they have to else a prophet is false. I havent found any good explanation for this. Even the people in the bible who dissobeyed God it was never that the prophecy didnt happen. And some were clearly conditional from the start. Like nineveh where the people repented hard and changed their ways and God showed mercy (as is his Character). But Jonah still fulfilled his part and the rest was Gods decision. Malachi 4 why do you think this happenedso many decades ago? how much before the dreadful day does this have to be? Malachi 4 can happen in 5 or 15 years for all we know. Also Luke 1:17 describes John’s mission: "He will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous-to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." This suggests John’s ministry reconciled generations by turning parents and children alike back to God, helping families and communities align in faith and obedience. Tons of holy spirit filled Christians who are not in the message btw. Be careful how you judge them, because only God can, not you! hence why I will never tell someone they are turly condemned or not bride or this of that. I refuse to speak in Gods name like that. I urge you to investigate it all with a heart turned to God and only God! And be truthful to yourself, you shall not lie, als not towards yourself.
Matthew 24:28 [28]For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The message is the revelation of God's word. It is in other word the baptism of the holy ghost to the elect. This message will make the elected ones not to be deceive by false prophets or teachers or the ANTICHRIST movement. Where many people went wrong is that many have took these mysterious God reveal to his messenger WMB as a denomination. Many people have organized themselves in it and it has become idolatry before God Almighty. The late prophet who is at sleep also saw it coming before his death and he scriptly warn the church not to idolize him but put their focus on JESUS CHRIST who is the absolute. The Complete Bible was his absolute so our own absolute is the complete Bible too. By Revelation I believe the message is our guide, in this last days that will take us for the Rapture by faith. Don't put your trust on anyman but God only. Satan has inspired the people to form denominations with God's mysteries. It is a religious spirit. The elect are just few, one in a million. Please you joined a sect that was why you did not understood the message. Join Christ and Jesus will help you. Thanks
There were 72 desciples but all left the message of that hour because JESUS said EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD they searched in the scriptures they didn't find proof so they left the message 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the last days, there will be a falling away. You're following a Judas Goat spirit to your detriment. I believe some people put Branham on a pedestal, and once they realize that he was nothing more than a broken man, like Moses or Elijah, they become disillusioned with the last-day message, but it's because they worshiped the man. They never realized it was God using a broken man. When most people leave a religion, they just don't talk about it anymore, but those that leave the message create websites, and 1000 videos and write books and it basically becomes the entire premise of their lives. This is how you know there's a spirit behind it.
I appreciate the feedback, MrDonPasqualino. I would respond by saying it's very avoidant to simply say of ex-message believers that "they worshipped the man". Admittedly, I often said the same thing while I was still in the message and observing people leave. I was aware of Branham's imperfections, and very deliberately humanized William Branham as a way of balancing the fleshly man with the importance of his message. It bothered me immensely when I observed what appeared to be an idolization of William Branham. But what also bothered me was how easily people dismissed the controversies around William Branham's words. He held a strong claim about himself, his role and his ministry. When he loudly suggested - even threateningly - that his life stories were his vindication... then should they not withstand scrutiny? You can't just brush them aside, and bury your head in the sand. There are countless problems with his claims. Regardless of whether he was 'human', or a 'broken man'... his claims still need to have integrity. To me - he lost all semblance of integrity when measured against honest reading and examination. If you disagree, then so be it. But it wasn't reckless abandonment of faith; it was a matter of integrity. Also - to suggest that only 'ex-message' believers create videos, websites and content about the mistakes of their former faith group... that only tells me you are wildly uninformed. There is a VAST wealth of material available. You need only to be curious enough to look.
@morning-mercy - What does it mean to be in the Message? Were you part of a cult? Because I'm not, so I'm trying to understand what you're escaping from. "The Message" is the Word of our last days here. Sure,bsome churches can go overboard with that because a religious spirit got in amongst them, but you weren't bound against your will. Do you not agree what was revealed by Branham dovetails with The Bible? Serpent Seed, the Seals, etc ... Have you not found value? So why so much contempt for a doctrine to dedicate ones life to it's contempt? I'm not wrong for pointing out that people in your cult go way overboard because they do. Do you have a video dedicated to every religion? Every doctrine? Every church? How much of the Vatican's evils do you expose? People expose scientology in an interview or a book or a documentary and move on. Peters trashed Branham briefly while trashing everyone and exposing what he believes is wrong from everyone. Ex-branhamites dedicate entire websites, TH-cam channels producing videos constantly about branham, weekly interviews with each other, and so on... With all the evils in the world, especially the religious world, you'd think you guys would diversify your hate a little. Branch out a little and maybe I'll take you guys seriously, but most importantly I come to channels like yours and believe sign and the rest specifically to challenge my faith. I believe it necessary to do so, but you're all a big disappointment because none of you actually present tangible evidence. Just hear say and assumptions. It's getting old brother. With Godky love.
Oh, I'd be in error if I forgot to point out for you to check out Pastor Jesse Smith's channel where he refutes all of the 'evidence' your cult presents. Check out his videos brother.
@MrDonpasqualino I wasn't in a cult either. I vehemently argued I was not part of a cult to the bitter end. Nor did I use the word "Cult" to describe my time in the Message when I left the message. Not until a later time when I began to understand why the 'leaving' was so intense and wounding. Now, with clarity and understanding - absolutely - the message is a cult. Clearly and plainly, by virtually every definition. There are always extremes; some sects of the message are horribly damaging, and even you might agree they qualify as a 'cult' (eg. ones who pray to "Christ Branham"). Other sects are on the other end of the spectrum - and in comparison, seem relatively innocuous. I was in what I would consider to be one of the less damaging churches; my experience was not traumatic or abusive, in most senses. Cults rarely have fences - to be held against one's will doesn't have to be a matter of force. It's what makes a cult a cult; the people, whether aware of it or not, have very very little autonomy of thought and choice. The leash is short. It's not until they express or demonstrate diverging opinion/thought, even if only questioning through sincere curiosity or confusion, that they feel the chains. I can see you're bothered that ex-message people seem to focus on speaking against the message. But the math is pretty simple. It's the same reason why the people who leave Mormonism write books about Mormonism. Or why Ex-Scientologist make documentaries about scientology. Or victims of any particular scandal or abuse write specifically about their experience. What else would you expect them to write about; they are familiar and impacted by that particular thing. Their friends and family are often still in the cult, and they will continue wrestling with the aftermath for the rest of their lives. It's natural for it to remain a strong area of concern. For myself, I was under the influence of the message for 35 years of my life. I was intimate with the church and it's teachings, and the process of leaving. My passion is helping people who are leaving to understand why leaving Branhamism is so difficult. Interestingly... I have read books by people who've left Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism, and other cult-like groups... and because cults all share a common thread, I can relate very deeply. That's another characteristic of cults; the may hold different teachings, but they enforce their boundaries in the same manner. Anyone who's been part of a cult can come across my content - and they will understand, deeply. Did I find value in the Message? Yes. I do not hold my former friends in contempt. I still see many of them on a regular basis, because my life and family overlap. I don't hate or vilify them - or seek opportunity to attack their faith. We are friendly and cordial. I am grateful for many memories and experiences I have had in my life. But I do not find value in William Branham himself; his life or his ministry. If you can understand (even if we disagree on this), for most of us who have left, we view him to be a deceiver and liar. His influence created a movement that has entrapped generations of families and people. And I would love for people to be able to escape that, if they can.
@@MrDonpasqualino I am very familiar with Pastor Smith's refutations. With respect, I think he is like many message ministers I know. He cares. He seems to be a good man, trying to help and speak in defence of his faith, and trying to protect his friends, family and church. Unfortunately, I feel as though his content is intended for message believers. I can see it being very effective for those in the message, who need some kind of reassurance that "it is well". For those who are deeply familiar with the vast information available about William Branham's life and pattern of lying, it's like watching a lawyer try to defend someone who is beyond guilty. It's not that he doesn't make an occasional good and fair point; but his arguments don't come close to explaining the overwhelming problems. We see through difference lenses, my friend. It's hard to find common ground when seeing the same thing so differently. 🙂🙂
You see, I've listened to your story, and there is no Calvary in it. See, you have to come through Calvary, to enter the message. Without the revelation of the love of Christ, you'll never understand the message. I feel like the blame should be on that pastor. He should have led you to Christ.
This precious soul didn't have a personal revelation of Christ in the line of the message, to me with all this his story, may the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ be on him
Thank you for sharing your story, it takes so much courage to speak about our upbringing in the message.
God bless you my brother for the work you are doing.Iam a Pastor in Zambia,Africa and I recently left the Message.
There were 72 desciples but all left the message of Jesus only 12 left because Jesus said EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD they searched in the scriptures they didn't find proof they left the message 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's great to find another channel exposing WMB and the message! I joined the message when I was 16 and got out at 44. I was in it 28 years. It's so great when anyone gets out!!!
Thanks for sharing, I need to talk more to my children
Me too I left the message in the year 2022.
@@Chikore2Chimaiwache-bg3xl go back
I really agree with what you're saying about talking to children, so many people don't and it's so necessary!!!
I need to send this to my family members. They r so deep deep into the msg.
They almost believe no one can have an encpunter with God but only them. They say pple should not sing for God or pray long prayers. So many other things
When branham said Satan was coequal with God...icant see that scriptually
Nor can I. It's beyond the scope of any reasoning or sensible explanation.
He didn't, he said Satan cannot create.
I just turned 20 years old all my life I was been in message and I really did everything to fit in I even pass night at church to pray in order for God to remove my loneliness and isolation and I began to have doubt my doubts where enforced by believe the sign, I have decided to live my life without feeling caged and I really want God to be part of my life
Keep looking for God and asking for his guidance
I remember listening to tapes by Terry Sproule. Is he stil alive? Did he ever get out of the message?
He's still alive, and unfortunately, one of the most extreme sects of the Message. He has his own little kingdom.
@@morning-mercyWow, that's really sad.
@@morning-mercy As a message believer, I don't deny that it also fell into the wrong hands. I came into the message through an adulterous pastor, but his sins couldn't get me away from, the love of Christ, my Lord and Savior.
William Branham is malachi 4
Malachi 4 :1behold the day is coming that will burn like an oven and all evil doers will be stubble and the day which is coming shall burn them up says the lord of hosts and it will not leave ROOTS NOR BRANCHES malachi 4 :5_6 behold I shall send Elijah the prophet before this great and dreadful day of the lord now William Branham is malachi 4 :5-6 a prophet when comes must fulfill the scriptures in the Bible John Baptist fulfilled Isaiah 40:3 William Branham is malachi 4 and your prophets are fulfilling which scripture in the Bible? I don't have time to watch a TV looking at nakedness and but if you want TV watch news and things of God this message is for his children not everyone thank you but we still love you if you are a seed of Abraham you will come back
he cant be because some of his prohecies did not come to pass, and according to the bible they have to else a prophet is false. I havent found any good explanation for this. Even the people in the bible who dissobeyed God it was never that the prophecy didnt happen. And some were clearly conditional from the start. Like nineveh where the people repented hard and changed their ways and God showed mercy (as is his Character). But Jonah still fulfilled his part and the rest was Gods decision.
Malachi 4 why do you think this happenedso many decades ago? how much before the dreadful day does this have to be? Malachi 4 can happen in 5 or 15 years for all we know. Also Luke 1:17 describes John’s mission:
"He will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous-to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
This suggests John’s ministry reconciled generations by turning parents and children alike back to God, helping families and communities align in faith and obedience.
Tons of holy spirit filled Christians who are not in the message btw. Be careful how you judge them, because only God can, not you! hence why I will never tell someone they are turly condemned or not bride or this of that. I refuse to speak in Gods name like that.
I urge you to investigate it all with a heart turned to God and only God! And be truthful to yourself, you shall not lie, als not towards yourself.
Matthew 24:28
[28]For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
The message is the revelation of God's word. It is in other word the baptism of the holy ghost to the elect. This message will make the elected ones not to be deceive by false prophets or teachers or the ANTICHRIST movement. Where many people went wrong is that many have took these mysterious God reveal to his messenger WMB as a denomination. Many people have organized themselves in it and it has become idolatry before God Almighty. The late prophet who is at sleep also saw it coming before his death and he scriptly warn the church not to idolize him but put their focus on JESUS CHRIST who is the absolute. The Complete Bible was his absolute so our own absolute is the complete Bible too. By Revelation I believe the message is our guide, in this last days that will take us for the Rapture by faith. Don't put your trust on anyman but God only. Satan has inspired the people to form denominations with God's mysteries. It is a religious spirit. The elect are just few, one in a million. Please you joined a sect that was why you did not understood the message. Join Christ and Jesus will help you. Thanks
There were 72 desciples but all left the message of that hour because JESUS said EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD they searched in the scriptures they didn't find proof so they left the message 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the last days, there will be a falling away. You're following a Judas Goat spirit to your detriment. I believe some people put Branham on a pedestal, and once they realize that he was nothing more than a broken man, like Moses or Elijah, they become disillusioned with the last-day message, but it's because they worshiped the man. They never realized it was God using a broken man. When most people leave a religion, they just don't talk about it anymore, but those that leave the message create websites, and 1000 videos and write books and it basically becomes the entire premise of their lives. This is how you know there's a spirit behind it.
I appreciate the feedback, MrDonPasqualino.
I would respond by saying it's very avoidant to simply say of ex-message believers that "they worshipped the man". Admittedly, I often said the same thing while I was still in the message and observing people leave. I was aware of Branham's imperfections, and very deliberately humanized William Branham as a way of balancing the fleshly man with the importance of his message. It bothered me immensely when I observed what appeared to be an idolization of William Branham. But what also bothered me was how easily people dismissed the controversies around William Branham's words. He held a strong claim about himself, his role and his ministry. When he loudly suggested - even threateningly - that his life stories were his vindication... then should they not withstand scrutiny? You can't just brush them aside, and bury your head in the sand. There are countless problems with his claims. Regardless of whether he was 'human', or a 'broken man'... his claims still need to have integrity. To me - he lost all semblance of integrity when measured against honest reading and examination. If you disagree, then so be it. But it wasn't reckless abandonment of faith; it was a matter of integrity.
Also - to suggest that only 'ex-message' believers create videos, websites and content about the mistakes of their former faith group... that only tells me you are wildly uninformed. There is a VAST wealth of material available. You need only to be curious enough to look.
@morning-mercy - What does it mean to be in the Message? Were you part of a cult? Because I'm not, so I'm trying to understand what you're escaping from. "The Message" is the Word of our last days here. Sure,bsome churches can go overboard with that because a religious spirit got in amongst them, but you weren't bound against your will. Do you not agree what was revealed by Branham dovetails with The Bible? Serpent Seed, the Seals, etc ... Have you not found value? So why so much contempt for a doctrine to dedicate ones life to it's contempt?
I'm not wrong for pointing out that people in your cult go way overboard because they do. Do you have a video dedicated to every religion? Every doctrine? Every church? How much of the Vatican's evils do you expose? People expose scientology in an interview or a book or a documentary and move on. Peters trashed Branham briefly while trashing everyone and exposing what he believes is wrong from everyone. Ex-branhamites dedicate entire websites, TH-cam channels producing videos constantly about branham, weekly interviews with each other, and so on... With all the evils in the world, especially the religious world, you'd think you guys would diversify your hate a little. Branch out a little and maybe I'll take you guys seriously, but most importantly I come to channels like yours and believe sign and the rest specifically to challenge my faith. I believe it necessary to do so, but you're all a big disappointment because none of you actually present tangible evidence. Just hear say and assumptions. It's getting old brother. With Godky love.
Oh, I'd be in error if I forgot to point out for you to check out Pastor Jesse Smith's channel where he refutes all of the 'evidence' your cult presents. Check out his videos brother.
@MrDonpasqualino I wasn't in a cult either. I vehemently argued I was not part of a cult to the bitter end. Nor did I use the word "Cult" to describe my time in the Message when I left the message. Not until a later time when I began to understand why the 'leaving' was so intense and wounding. Now, with clarity and understanding - absolutely - the message is a cult. Clearly and plainly, by virtually every definition. There are always extremes; some sects of the message are horribly damaging, and even you might agree they qualify as a 'cult' (eg. ones who pray to "Christ Branham"). Other sects are on the other end of the spectrum - and in comparison, seem relatively innocuous. I was in what I would consider to be one of the less damaging churches; my experience was not traumatic or abusive, in most senses.
Cults rarely have fences - to be held against one's will doesn't have to be a matter of force. It's what makes a cult a cult; the people, whether aware of it or not, have very very little autonomy of thought and choice. The leash is short. It's not until they express or demonstrate diverging opinion/thought, even if only questioning through sincere curiosity or confusion, that they feel the chains.
I can see you're bothered that ex-message people seem to focus on speaking against the message. But the math is pretty simple. It's the same reason why the people who leave Mormonism write books about Mormonism. Or why Ex-Scientologist make documentaries about scientology. Or victims of any particular scandal or abuse write specifically about their experience. What else would you expect them to write about; they are familiar and impacted by that particular thing. Their friends and family are often still in the cult, and they will continue wrestling with the aftermath for the rest of their lives. It's natural for it to remain a strong area of concern. For myself, I was under the influence of the message for 35 years of my life. I was intimate with the church and it's teachings, and the process of leaving. My passion is helping people who are leaving to understand why leaving Branhamism is so difficult.
Interestingly... I have read books by people who've left Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism, and other cult-like groups... and because cults all share a common thread, I can relate very deeply. That's another characteristic of cults; the may hold different teachings, but they enforce their boundaries in the same manner. Anyone who's been part of a cult can come across my content - and they will understand, deeply.
Did I find value in the Message? Yes. I do not hold my former friends in contempt. I still see many of them on a regular basis, because my life and family overlap. I don't hate or vilify them - or seek opportunity to attack their faith. We are friendly and cordial. I am grateful for many memories and experiences I have had in my life. But I do not find value in William Branham himself; his life or his ministry. If you can understand (even if we disagree on this), for most of us who have left, we view him to be a deceiver and liar. His influence created a movement that has entrapped generations of families and people. And I would love for people to be able to escape that, if they can.
@@MrDonpasqualino I am very familiar with Pastor Smith's refutations. With respect, I think he is like many message ministers I know. He cares. He seems to be a good man, trying to help and speak in defence of his faith, and trying to protect his friends, family and church.
Unfortunately, I feel as though his content is intended for message believers. I can see it being very effective for those in the message, who need some kind of reassurance that "it is well".
For those who are deeply familiar with the vast information available about William Branham's life and pattern of lying, it's like watching a lawyer try to defend someone who is beyond guilty. It's not that he doesn't make an occasional good and fair point; but his arguments don't come close to explaining the overwhelming problems.
We see through difference lenses, my friend. It's hard to find common ground when seeing the same thing so differently. 🙂🙂
You see, I've listened to your story, and there is no Calvary in it. See, you have to come through Calvary, to enter the message. Without the revelation of the love of Christ, you'll never understand the message. I feel like the blame should be on that pastor. He should have led you to Christ.
I appreciate you offering your comment - I believe you are sincere, and your words are valuable to the conversation.
@@morning-mercy God bless you and your family sir.
This precious soul didn't have a personal revelation of Christ in the line of the message, to me with all this his story, may the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ be on him
@@kennyjansen5633 💯🙏🙏🙏🙏
@RoseGondwe-x5c Thanks, God bless you and your family. Christ is King and Lord of all.
Bro Branham said that satan was equal to God in position and authority, but cannot create. You must always try to be honest.
We agree that honesty is important, and also, we seem to agree that Branham stated Satan was "co-equal", with exception of the ability to create.
@@morning-mercy I really admire your response. I pray that God will guide you. Your granny seemed to have been a real sainted lady. God bless.
@@kennyjansen5633 God bless you brother