Douglas Dc-10 vs McDonnell Douglas MD-11 vs Lockheed Tristar L1011
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- Which of these planes do you like more? Write it in the comments. In addition to that please tell me which planes I should compare next. You decide !!
This time you told me to compare the Tri-holers. Someone asked if I could throw in a few 727 clips but I thought the 727 is a little so small to compare it to the L1011, Md11 and Dc-10.
The McDonnell Douglas DC-10 is a three-engine wide-body jet airliner manufactured by McDonnell Douglas. The DC-10 has range for medium- to long-haul flights, capable of carrying a maximum of 380 passengers. It had its first flight in 1970 and the first customer was American Airlines. Currently there are still lots of Dc-10`s (KC10`s) operating, especially for the US. Air Force.
The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 is a three-engine medium- to long-range wide-body jet airliner, manufactured by McDonnell Douglas and, later, by Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Based on the DC-10, it features a stretched fuselage, increased wingspan with winglets, refined airfoils on the wing and smaller tailplane, new engines and increased use of composite materials. The Md-11 had its first flight in 1990 and the first customer was Finnair.
The Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, commonly referred to as the L-1011 (pronounced "L-ten-eleven") or TriStar, is a medium-to-long-range, wide-body trijet airliner. It was the third widebody airliner to enter commercial operations, after the Boeing 747 and the McDonnell Douglas DC-10. The aircraft has a seating capacity of up to 400 passengers and a range of over 4,000 nautical miles (7,410 km). It had its first flight in 1970 and the first customer was Eastern Air Lines.
Thanks for watching, I hope you liked it and please don` t forget to tell me which of these three you liked most.
MD-11, Dc-10 or L1011
One of my friends is a FedEx pilot. He liked flying the DC10 much better than the MD11. He said the MD11 was much more touchy, and because of bad fuel economy, the manufacturer had pushed the center of gravity farther to the back to correct the problem, and that made the landings much more difficult and dangerous. To me, the rear engine of the DC10 and MD11 always seemed like an afterthought, as if they decided they needed a third engine and slapped it on the back. The L-1011 always looked better thought out and far more beautiful and graceful. And the S-duct, though more expensive to build, had much better aerodynamic features. I knew a few pilots who flew them, and they couldn't say enough good things about that plane. Some of my flight attendant friends also used to love to work on them. I think the lower galley gave them a space to get away from passengers and relax for a bit.
Death cruiser 10(dc-10)
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What a long comment
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OK numbnuts.
Short enough for ya?
@Xarifa Zee , totally agree. But, L1011 looked more graceful, must mention. Remember to have seen the Gulf Air Tristar, “Golden Falcon” livery. Simply beautiful.Regards.
I'm a MD-11 fan...I love the elegant look the winglets gives the plane.
Same here, although a DC-10 fan too, as I flew on them (DC-10s). Missed out flying on MD-11s. Wish that they
(MD-11s) could be brought back into service again.
same
My favorite plane is by far the md 11 I just love it so much it’s sad I never will get to fly on it
Flying those was my job for 16 years. Wonderful but demanding machine.
I'm also md11 fan
this is fantastic, love both planes. L-1011 is an absolute legend, like the DC-10's older brother. Great vid
Airforceproud95 Flew the delta L-1011 tri Star to Honolulu for years-sure miss them!!
Dave Tomlin Legendary!
+Dave Tomlin The only time I got to fly on one was a trip to Maui, I will always remember that plane. The majority of jets they cram people into these days are junk in comparison.
Do you mean "younger brother" instead?
Bobby Paluga Fair point. I only say older because the L-1011 left service much earlier than the DC-10s which are still flying.
I was an A&P mechanic for 38 years & worked on both the L-1011’s in all there models and I worked on the DC-10’s too.
I will always love the L-1011 Tristar’s. What an amazing jet and totally beautiful.
There is just something special about trijets. I guess its because the tail-engine make them look more identical to rockets. They have a "powerful" look to them that even the 747 and A380 are lacking.
The original design of the MD 12 was supposed to be a trijet but most airlines are not happy with them due to the difficulty of removing the back engine for repair.
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Marc Liljeqvist Excellent observation, I've been wondering if a future engine development could potentially allow for a super jumbo to go back to a 3-holer getting the same thrust but saving fuel over the 4 engine types of today. Of course the demand has to change Boeing nor AirBus can't squeeze more 747-8 or 8F , A380 orders out of anybody. Who knows if slot limits get worse and airlines have no choice. Heathrow is going to be in the fight of its life getting a third runway, Gatwick is not in any better shape. I can see a time when only super jumbos will be making the long distance flights if Heathrow is stuck with their two runways. LAX may have to go with tighter slots while trying to make a up to date Airport out of the mess of today. Parts of Terminal 8 are poor for the third world. The cool factor is way up there as far as three holders with me. I just don't want to see another set of D.C.-10 disasters with a rushed to deliver bad aircraft took lots of lives in Chicago, Paris and Sioux City
All time love, respect, and fond memories for the Lockheed TriStar L-1011. A space shuttle in airplane disguise; too advanced for its era!
I just hope when the DC-10 from Fedex Flight 705 gets retired, she's put into a museum for preservation, so people know how heroic of a plane that particular DC10 was. That plane went through more punishment than any other jet liner I've ever seen, and it's still flying today. It was flown upside down, into a steep dive on wide open throttles, into steep banks, did the maneuvers of a fighter jet, and landed on a full tank of fuel safely. No other jet-liner has ever successfully survived that, which goes to show how well built the DC10 really was, ESPECIALLY the DC10 from Fedex Flight 705. That plane is a Legend.
One of my best Red Eye Flight experiences, was on a Beautiful Northwest Airlines DC10, bound from Honolulu to San Francisco, but it was an international plane that flew in from Japan.
Meaning, that particular DC10 was a beautiful 3 class plane that featured a beautiful giant plasma T.V., FLAT BED SEATS, personal entertainment, the most delicious gourmet food, and top service in first class.
That was one of 2 red-eye flights I actually managed to get a good night sleep on (The other good red eye experience being on a British Airways Boeing-747 from Johannesburg, South Africa to London, England).
The DC10 was an underrated, luxurious, extremely tough, and beautiful plane, and it's sad that it's no longer in passenger service.
Good comments, all-around. DC-10s were under-rated and went through rough patches earlier on. They later seemed more reliable. Miss flying them, including with departure of legacy airline, Northwest Airlines (NW/NWA).
Very nicely said... Love the DC-10. Never seen one I'm real life.... They are built like a brick shit-house... Aussie saying for a really good build..
The TrisStar is a beauty isn't she?
For me it will always be the DC-10 as it was the last plane I flew on after I got back from Vietnam with a penetrating traumatic brain injury. The Army sent me out of Walter Reed to active duty at Fort Hood Texas where for over 8 months I had no medical help at all.
I got out on May 11, 1972 and was at Love Field.I looked out the window and there she was,a brand new American Airlines DC-10.
I asked the lady at the counter"Is there any room on this plane for me?" She said something,"Of course, it's a DC-10,I'm sure there will a seat for you." I paid for the ticket at the gate and headed to Chicago and home straight across the lake.
Looking back I now realize I was only a little smarter than Forrest Gump at that point in my life.
I know those was back a bit, but I am so sorry you were busted up in Viet Nam I hope you were able to get back on your feet. Let me offer you, a very belated "Thanks for your Service" my friend
+John Lindsey First of all: Who cares about your lifestory. secondly, its you very own fault, none forced you, nor your burger country to slaughter asian kids and civillians. Go cry somewhere else murder. Oh and ... Bombing for peace is like Fucking for Virginity. Think about that.
Vietnam Murder you meant i suppose
+David Evans
I got a few youtube sites from Rain so all is not lost.
As you know guys like him are small dogs compared to what we have been through.
Very few could pull off what I did, living long enough to make it to Dallas after that hell hole experience at Ft. Hood. I even went to the base Chaplain and he gave me the same vacant as everyone else and promised to get back with me. The next time I saw him was 10 years later.
Thanks for standing for me.
AATW
Vince 'Out of Touch' McMahon typical anti-american TH-cam commenter bullshit. Learn to speak English, your Grammer is shit.
Being a Memphis resident, I can say that the DC-10 and MD-11 still take to the skies as nice looking FedEx cargo planes. Very satisfying to see this tri jets just pass over my house in the mornings and afternoons. May they still take to the skies for many years to come!!
As a bored passenger I flew an L 10-11 in the 80s. Back when things were normal. There was about 10 people on the entire flight and the flight attendant asked if I wanted to go sit with the pilots and they let me fly around a huge storm at night. Was amazing.
The MD-11 and DC-10 I love but the TriStar will always be my favourite
I loved the L1011. The cathedral ceilings and the Rolls Royce engines. Great plane!
It's L-1011, they were powerful and smooth, and could land themselves. Plus they are beautiful. Tristar all the way in this round.
The DC10 had much more thrust than the Tristar and could also land itself, it was cat 3A autoland. I used to work on them as an engineer.
L1011 TriStar - technically more advanced at the time, and a much safer aircraft.
@@michaeleyrephotography6264 I've just got a soft spot for the DC10 as I worked on them for 5 years. Nice aeroplane to maintain. It was the first aeroplane I worked on where you could see they had put some thought into maintenance. Also I thought they were better looking but I might be biased 😁 Also after it's early disaster years the DC10 was very safe for the rest of it's life in the sky. There's still some flying now as freighters I believe
@@michaeleyrephotography6264 Terrible selection of engines produced by financially troubled Rolls Royce was their biggest and costliest mistake.
Nah. The range of the L1011 cannot match the DC-10 and MD-11.
There was nothing more soothing to the ears than to hear those 3 Rolls Royce engines rev up before take off-I still get chills!
I've flown the L10-11 when I was a kid (TWA), LOVED THE PLANE!
The sound of the dc-10 is incredible. The Tristar remember me at the Steven King Film langolier
There is no doubt that the L1011 was a superior airplane in every way!
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and range on the earlier versions
High maintenance =L1011
Except remaining relevant. Therefore DC-10/MD-10/MD-11 wins.
The problem was that Lockheed didn't know how to sell airplanes, MCD did. That's how they outperformed with an inferior plane.
I installed MD 11 Leading edge flight control mechanisms at MDCAN up until 1991 in Toronto. The MD 11 is the prettiest big bird in the sky.
Flown on all L1011 was my favorite, roomy smooth & looked so powerful sitting on the tarmac.
For me the DC-10 and the 747 are great aircrafts
Carlos De La Selva 767 and md-11 and the beautiful bird herself the l-1011
DC10 & MD11 !!!
Same for me. Fan of DC-10s, having flown on them with two legacy airlines, one being swallowed up, + merged into Delta. It would be nice to see MD-11's brought back into service, after being overhauled, re-serviced, etc.
In my opinion the L1011 has always been my favourite plane as a kid
Love the beautiful L-1011! Prettiest of the big 3-hole'ers! Lots of RB-211 music in this one!
FINALLY. A photographer that can hold the camera on the aircraft
all the way as the aircraft passes overhead. PERFECT!!!
I love the DC-10, has been my favourite plane for years.
Same also for me, having flown them previously, including United and Northwest DC-10s (DC-10-30s, i think).
@@blkbr7580 So lucky. When I was like 10 years old I flew on a Delta md-11, but I don't remember it very vividly. As an adult I did fly on the 747-400 four times and absolutely love that plane as well. But the DC-10 and md11 will always be my favorite
Tremendous vids! The L1011 was the first “heavy” commercial airliner I ever saw in person as a kid. Was so in awe of it because I only ever saw 737s and DC9s prior.
L-1011 WAS MY FIRST WIDE BODY....OUT OF CLT...LOVED IT....RR ENGINES SOUND GREAT AND THE START UP SMOKE WAS SO COOL.....
yeah i live near charlotte but now theres just American Airlines Airbus'
I love them both, and always did. So much more interesting then the 2 and 4 engined planes.. I always marvelled at how the TriStar's rear engine melted into the tail re-appearing at the back of the fuselage, and how the DC10's was inserted right through the tail.. I miss them both.
McDonnell Douglas 11 all the way three amazing engines with the double winglets and a a350 shaped body!:) who could ask for more... plus four landing gear instead of the normal plane with three wheels two in back and one in front!
Legend has it that the L-1011 is still doing go-arounds to this day
L-1011 all the way
Given the safety history of the two I would agree.
O Khan that weird tail engine though
I AGREE W U !
To me, the L-1011 looks sleeker. The third engine on the DC-10 (in my opinion) looks like it was put there at the last minute.
Bradat26 Yeah, agree
In the late 1980s to early 2000s, Delta had a Hub in Portland International Airport and at that time, many L-1011, DC-10s, MD-11s, and 727s were there. Tri-engine planes are cool!
Say what you want about de DC-10 but she was a work horse,and she Did her job,not always perfect but she Did never the less.
Liked, subscribed. I will be watching your videos shortly C:
After the DC8, I flew this beauty(DC10-30 and ER) as flight engineer! My heart belongs forever to this awesome and reliable workhorse!
Thank you for sharing
Cheers
JagdTiger88mm my sentiments exactly.
Most of the accidents involving DC-10s occurred soon after their introduction into the market, and a majority of them were not the fault of the aircraft design, but rather circumstance and poor maintenance. Mid 1980's onward, the DC-10 was a very reliable aircraft.
Captn Snow , The fact that so many of my babies are still flying is a true testament to what a great workhorse they still are. The sound of that engine is like music to my ears. What can say, I am hooked for life and I am 65 yrs old. Are you still flying?
Lockheed Tristar L1011 hands down. Lot of fond memories non-reving out JFK late at night, city lights below and the feel/hear of those winding RR engines. Or the Delta runs from LA to Hawaii. Good times 80's & 90's. My fav jet of all time. Triple backups...legendary... way ahead of her time. Pure beauty.... that's was the heyday of Commercial Aviation.
L-1011, I miss the Delta ones....
I havnt seen a l1011 yet
Last Delta Tristar flew 20 years ago.
DC 10S are still going strong. KC 10s as well.
Longevity with the DC 10.
@@jovanholland36 you won't.
They are all retired except maybe Stargazer.
@@747heavyboeing3 thats sad
Same
Love these planes....especially the DC-10.Magnificent design and sound.Thank you!
L-1011 is the best 💪
More advanced airplane and was first WIDEBODY with Automatic landing capability.
What cost them was Lockheed selection of Rolls Royce engines.
Rolls Royce was having financial difficulties. The DC 10 selected GE and P&W engine. The DC 10 entered service first and acquired early orders .
Lockheed never caught up. Why they selected Roll Royce is beyond me. Still, the DC 10 outlasted Tristars by decades.
KC 10s and MD 10s remain in service.
I like the md-11
While I love the dc-10s looming ramp presence and the md-11s sweet looking avionics, the L-1011 is the undisputed trijet king, in my opinion. I’ve never heard a bad word spoken about them from pilots and those rolls royce RB211s are undeniably beautiful.
All three were awesome birds in their day but I am partial to the L-1011 having racked up mileage on them. The DC-10/MD-11 still in cargo flights with FedEx and UPS today, also awesome aircraft. L-1011 had comfort, room and class in my book. Delta flew several and that is where I enjoyed my ride time with them.
Just one more thing.. Great comparison!
The L-1011 is my fav and was way ahead of it’s time..♥️
Trijets are so cool.
I was lucky enough to be a captain on B727, DC10 and TriStar.
Always has been
@@gerardosalazar161 Wow flying a lot of old plane nice
@@gerardosalazar161 what airline ?
I was one of the lucky few who was able to fly both the DC-10 and the L-1011 for Pan Am. Hands down the Tri-star was years ahead of its time. The technology was incredible and far more reliable than the DC-10. Had Rolls Royce not had their issues with getting the L-1011 their engines on time one might still seeing them building civilian aircraft today. The DC-10 variants were riddled with serious issues from the begining. Back then only the serious, deadly problems made the headlines. Douglas, decided to make deals with the carriers, making them cheaper to get them out the door. This practice still goes on today, sadly. Guess who's minding your safety folks? Nobody..I couldn't get off of the DC-10 quick enough and fly the 747. Now that was a reliable work horse! We called the 747's reliable Fords and the L-1011 luxurious Cadillacs.
I like the DC-10 the most!
Me too
real good memories i hve flowen in this plane in JANUARY 1971 , it was PIA returning back from my winter holidays ,, i was 13 years old
DC10...the most beautiful and majestic TAIL of all airliner !!
melusinamia mia and the most unsafe
Shaz Widhani Most of the problems with the DC-10 were crew and ground maintence problems.
I loved the DC-10!It was my favorite plane to work on!I loved the engine on the tail.
melusinamia mia it’s tail is basically the same as an md11
Dude but it's not good if the have engine on tail
The grinding buzz saw sound from 4:20 onward is the sweetest music I have ever heard
L-1011= Lord 1011
DC-10= Donkey Carrier 10
MD-11= Mega Distance 11
well don't know what to choose xD
Good references to these wide-body jets. DC-10s were "cattle-cars" to me, usually > 1/2 or 3/4 full with many legacy
airlines, including legacy carrier, Northwest Airlines, as the last airline to have them and fly them, pre-Delta merger.
Death Cruiser 10, as called by many pilots
You mean Death Cruiser lol what Paul said. I also like the DC-10
"DC-10" I think you mean that it's a distance carrier, not a donkey carrier.
I flew for TWA 1976/2000 and the L1011 was a key component of our fleet.
Still today that aircraft remains my favorite from my years in service together with the B747SP.
I was FAA certified throughout my career on B707, CV880, B727, DC9, B747, B747SP, L1011, B757, B767, MD80/90, B717.
love both planes if l had to choose it will be the DC 10 for sure
I noticed watching this video that the DC-10 had a centerline main landing gear, whereas the L1011 does not have a center main gear... Is it a cosmetic thing, or did Lockheed omit it to save weight?
Leander Williams The DC-10-30 needed the centerline landing gear to compensate for the higher MTOW. This enabled the -30's to have a longer range and a heavier payload capacity. Also keep in mind that the MD-10-10F and MD-10-30F have higher payload capacity than the regular DC-10-10 and DC-10-30 models due to modernization.
What a great video, Its got to be the D-C 10.its my favourite. THANK YOU
I loved them both but my fav was the L-1011 - looked like it could fly through butter!!!!
I prefer the MD-11!! :) next time please A350 vs. 787 !
+LUX Spotting Oh please... there is NO comparison between Boeing and Airbust.
DAM FLA yeah NO comparison between butt and airbus
+FLL aviation central That's all you got?
Yaya I A350
A350 is the best
I love that spine tickling grid ding sound of a DC-10 climbing out, you find it with the MD-11 and L-1011 although it seems to be a bit quieter. After the cargo door crash, near crash of the Trkish
The L-1011 Tri-Star outshined these others. Well designed it was setup for friendly operation, roomy, dependable and a pleasure to fly.
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Today is both a happy and sad day. July 19, 1989. 8am that morning , I lost my Mother to the Big C. And Happy because when Flight 232 stopped tumbling in that cornfield, you say people stumbling out. ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO GOD. What a beautiful site. To my Mentor, Master Alfred Haynes and in Memory of Master Dennis Fitch, What a wonderful day to just say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 😇😇😇.
DC-10 > MD-11 > L1011.....purely based on aesthetics. But, all three are awesome planes, IMO, and ANY tri-holer absolutely crushes ALL of the modern twin engined snoozathons from a looks perspective. :)
Amen and the incredible sound that comes out of the three at takeoff. I get that it would never happen since nobody is buying A380's and haven't ordered one for 2+ years, the 747-800 is not selling many PA versions but orders do trickle in and the Freighter version is a success . The dream is this using the newest GE-90X build a Three engine 500 passenger aircraft with that same pencil sharpened nose, the nose wheel set back a bit, made of composites. Tim Clark is the only CEO buying or flying the A380 in a large quantity, his airline owns more than half of those produced, meaning my Super-Jumbo L-1050 would kill Lockheed
I would say that in terms of aesthetics, it would be L-1011 > Md11 > DC10, but that's only what I think.
If I were to choose it would be MD-11>DC-10>L1011
If I were to choose it would be MD-11>L1011>DC-10
Awesome MD-11 compilation! Love the MD-11
Lockheed Tri-Star. Flew them countless times on Delta. Very comfortable plane. The DC-10 was a beautiful aircraft. Sadly, crashes, especially American 191 out of Chicago, and United 232 crash at Sioux City ruined its reputation.
+MrCzechers American 191 was a maintenance failure to follow proper procedure. UA 232 was bad titanium and definitely a design flaw that all hydraulics were positioned so close together at a vulnerable spot. Early 10's also had a nasty habit of explosive decompression in the rear cargo door.
You're right. I forgot all about the cargo door problems.
+Evan J American turned a maintenance failure into an abuse of equipment by using a forklift to detach the engine for replacement and then remounting with a forklift to save time. The angle of the forklift vs the angle of the bolt attachment were not close, so extreme stress was placed on the bolts and mounting plate, causing cracks which then lead to the #1 breaking free and flying over the top of the left wing. The folks in Tulsa were guilty of criminal negligence/incompetence IMO just to save some time and rush the aircraft back on-line.
Bobby Paluga Yup, I'm familiar with that but thanks for elaborating. It's good for this information to be out there. It's amazing what negligence brings down aircraft, sometimes it's as simple as 2 rivets or a piece of tape. People with no business being around an aircraft trying to save time and thus killing hundreds of people. I'm really thankful for the NTSB and the corrections we've made as a result of this over the decades.
+Evan J so true
My first time in First Class was on a United DC-10 from San Francisco to Puerto Rico. Truly the best flight I have ever had the privilege to be on. The DC-10 was unbelievable in size and amenities that today's airliners cannot compete with. Imagine 10 people in first class seating attended to by 5 flight attendants. Luxury at it's finest.
There's a reason the USAF uses the KC-10 as their mid-air refuelling aircraft: it's so damn dependable! Douglas made planes to last, and despite it's safety record and nickname "Death Cruiser-10", it's a workhorse through and through. The Tristar didn't get far within the airlines, Eastern, Air Canada, and a host of others used it---and the MD-11 is a longer stretch in a classic but not the same effect. *LONG LIVE THE TRI-JETS*!!!
That is not entirely correct the Turkish crash was a result of a design error. That said the DC aircraft were generally designed to higher standards than Boeing both from a pure mechanical sense and airframe sense.
same as the dutch the kdc10 in the front t264 is ex martinair cargo converted to a tanker by klm in h11 at schiphol so life goes on for them
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Canadian Plane Spotter It may have been called a death trap but by the time I took it under my wings, Dynamite. !! It is still reliable and as beautiful as ever.
Canadian Plane Spotter Amen bro!
The Tristar was one of the most beautiful jets ever built. If RR hadn't gone through bankruptcy and delayed the Tristars entry into service with the airlines many more would have been sold. Flew one when Delta still had them and it was fantastic.
Always Loved the L1011 Just loved the tail engine and size when I was 10 or11 traveling watching jets take off and land. Started flying and got my pilot lic as soon as I turned 17.
The DC-10 is the winner for me....I am biased because I was a DC-10 engineer years ago, working on both the DC-10-10 series and the DC-10-30 series...a great aircraft with an enormous soul. Over the years I worked on United, Western, Lufthansa, and CP-Air DC-10s. Spent many happy hours flying in them and just as many happy hours getting my knuckles skinned working on them in sunshine, rain and snow. Thanks for posting this video....happy memories.
L1011 is a cool plane. I had an uncle who flew them for WardAir in Canada before he retired.
Wardair never owned a L-10. They had 3 DC-10's in the 80's. Flew YYZ-ACA-YYZ on their DC-10. Got hooked.
Maybe they leased it. Maybe I heard wrong. Can't ask him. He's dead.
Lol
+legranderaoul I'm with lawest1 in thinking your uncle may have flown DC-10-30s instead of the L-1011 which was still big in Canada ... Just not with Wardair. But Royal Aviation / Worldways Canada and Air Canada all flew the L-1011.
+Flyfactors UK Agree with you Wardair had only DC-10's unless a Tristar sneaked in, good day.
the engine on the tail is what have been facinating people for years
L1011 because it was probably the most advanced commercial aircraft ever made. But why so little footage of them ?
Lockheed made a little number of L1011s... not many airlines where interested on them... very nice planes
I never really paid attention or noticed until today that the Lockheed's wing engines are further from the fuselage than the DC10.
I prefer the DC-10 because I've been on one myself. It was a Airtours one from Manchester to Benidorm ;)
Thanks for making this video! I miss those trijets!
Nice video - very nice! Beautiful birds all of them. If I have to chose one, I'd pick the Tristar.
The Tri-star L1011 is probably the smoothest flying machine I have ever flown on. I have never flown on a 747 and im sure it is a real smoothy,but the Tri-star impressed the hell out of me. The Pilot told me that is is responsive and alot of fun to fly. He said it made him smile every time he flew it. It is also a prettier bird than the DC10/MD11. But I think airliners are gorgeous anyway. And they all have a SHITLOAD of power. They of them are capable of climbing at an angle that would scare the hell out of most people.
love the DC-10
As a kid, I loved Tri-Jets, and my favorite by far was the L-1011. It was probably the marketing hype about it being the most technologically advanced aircraft of its day. I also liked the integrated tail engine with the S-Duct. What a cool aircraft. As Marc pointed out, they look very powerful, like the airline equivalent of a hot rod.
Must admit that after watching this video, the DC-10s look the coolest.
DC 10 win with out a doubt looks and sounds the best L1011 looks good but the way the engine looks on the vertical stabilizer ruined it but of course this is just my opinion so anyone agree with me
The McDonnell Douglas DC-10/MD-11, Lockheed L-1011, Boeing 727, Hawker Siddeley Trident, Tupolev Tu-154, Yakovlev Yak-40/42, and Dassault Falcon all had centerline engines in the tail. The DC-10/MD-11 is the only one that opted for a straight-through engine configuration. All the others opted for S-ducts.
L-1011. Best flying, best riding, safest aircraft. Most sophisticated flight control system ever. Nothing else has come close even to the current day. Light years ahead of its time. It took 30 years after the L-1011 was certified before any other aircraft was certified to do a Cat III engine out approach.
Tristar, MD-11, DC-10 are all my favourite!!
DC10 is the winner for me. Its toughness and long commercial and military career prove it, and still there are many of them in the demanding cargo revenue service, plus the military KC and KDC10s. The Tristar was a great airplane, but the failure to develop a heavier version with the same fuselage length, plus its higher maintenance costs made it lose the commercial race vs. the Ten. MD11? Awesome machine, but it ended up being a loser against the big twins. If only the myopic Board of Directors of McDonnell Douglas had understood that they needed to give it a new wing, it could have been a total winner. But they went cheap, simply improved the DC10 wing and ended up with a '60s wing to compete against the new design wings in the 777 and the A330/340 family. And anyway the trijet era died the day the big twins proved their reliability for ETOPS.
sobelou **McDonnell Douglas had the MD12 in design, as well as an MD11XX, yet the company was so cash strapped, it couldn't afford to build the better, more competitive jet designs. According to research, a company based in Taiwan was going to fund the uplevel design for McDonnell Douglas, but at the last minute pulled out of the deal.[Ultimately causing McDonnell Douglas to be sold to Boeing. Fortunately from post 1996, the MD11 has some of Boeing Corporation's most ingenious aircraft knowledge].**
Very nice, close up with the great music sung by those engines loud and clear
It's sad to see less and less tri-jets. 727 included.
I work with MD-11 all times, I work for Quantem Aviation Services that partners with UPS. UPS still fly those MD-11, coolest thing about it is when it take off, so much vibration through out the airport.. when it comes to our ramp, the loud high pitch spooling, it get me on goosebumps every time. So loud.
Both planes from McDonnell Douglas win.
These two planes is the times of great aviation era great time for memories for us the old timers
I flew the L-1011...watch the go-around...you can come within 6 feet of touchdown and not touch the runway on a go-around...if you are lower than 600 feet on the DC-10 and MD-11, you're committed to a landing...the 1011 was absolutely the best in my book. Not one of them ever crashed due to aircraft failure. You can't say that about either the 10 or the 11. And the 1011 was sooooo fast! Faster than the 4 holers and misery was getting behind a slow poke 767 going transatlantic...
+Steve Auld If you piloted the L1011, I envy you tremendously. Not only did you fly during the real golden age of the widebody, when flying was special and folks gpt dressed up, but you flew the best liner on earth.
I enjoyed it immensely. They handled very well when you were 'low and slow' due to a special system that gave you the same 'feel' whether you were low and slow or at cruise. Once while lined up on Runway 24 at Miami, an Arrow DC-8 was in position for takeoff ahead of us, but he was having some trouble getting moving, despite being cleared for takeoff a couple of times by the tower. Finally, the tower told us to execute a missed approach, and I asked if 9 Left was available. Tower replied that he could give me approval for a short final on 9 Left, so I asked for some power, cranked her to the right and then a hard left to line up with 9 Left. I remember hearing the 'Bank Angle' warning briefly in the second turn. Leveling out, I was right on the money with the ILS and felt pretty good. I continued the approach and flare to a pretty decent landing as I remember (It was hard NOT to make a good landing on the 1011 as she would just mush herself down through ground effect and squat on the mains). As I was making the turn off the active onto a high speed, I heard the tower say 'If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't have believed it' as he told us to contact ground control. Great memories.
No misery is on final into San Diego flying an AreoCommander and being told to vacate your position because A very large AA DC-10 is on your ass. It was indeed a thrill especially when you must turn left climbing to 3000 as the DC-10 passes to your right, perfectly positioning your fairly large 2 hole-er (for general aircraft that is) catching the jet blast from #1 and #2. Try and imagine that nerve racking final under perfect conditions as you drop down rapidly once you have cleared Balboa Park, and then a few seconds after being in a spin dryer some call wake turbulence. Never has a 10 looked so very huge.
+Steve Auld "...if you are lower than 600 feet on the DC-10 and MD-11, you're committed to a landing"
Where in the heck did this preposterous notion come from - it's totally untrue.
TommyT - That could be. I should have prefaced my statement with "I heard that...'..But I was told that by an AA DC-10 crew in Toronto one night. They told me the angle of the #2 engine had something to do with it. What is the correct answer?. I've never flown the DC-10.
To me it is no contest, the L-1011 wins hands down. It is second to none. The aircraft I love.
DC-10 vs. L-1011 vs. MD-11? I'll take the tri-holer. lol
Whenever I see an MD-11 or even an occasional DC-10, I get a little happy inside. They're reminders to me of my childhood and a time when air travel was still something to get excited about. I just love the engine scream of the DC-10 on takeoff....sounds like a rocket.
My favorite DC-10. I have never noticed this before but at about 2:38 to about 2:40 you can actually see through the right fuselage just above the elevator and see out the left side... is that normal?
This is normal as this part of the fuselage isn't pressurised.
This is where all the trim system is managing the fixed horizontal surface.
It seems that modern aircraft have a panel that is hiding those opening.
I saw that older B737 have the same opening.
Marc Mathot
Thanks for the info.
+Hesperus to let the leaking hydraulic fluid escape, lol
It is normal. At World we would run the stab trim to full up to allow airflow through that part to help keep the APU from getting too hot. That is if we were in a location that was very hot such as Kuwait.
Tristar, because the ducted engine is so friggen cool that nothing else really matters.
Great video...
gladly flew all 3 pax versions....
NW DC10
TWA 1011
AA MD10
Which was the best to be on?
Same here and the 1011 was the best by far.
I AGREE W U 1000000%1
The Tristar L1011. I flew in one way back in the day...utterly exquisite buttery ride. So quiet and comfortable
Have to say DC 10 and MD 11 FOR ME
Are there any dc10's still used for passengers?
I used to fly with trijet from the eastern airline nice airplane ✈️✈️✈️✈️
L-1011 is my fave. I flew on both the DC10 and the Tristar over the years and I always got a quieter, smoother ride on the L=1011
MD-11!!
One thing a lot of people don't realize is that the number 2 (center) engine actually 'hangs' from the top and is attached just like the wing mounted engines.
I go for the MD-11! Much more cooler:)! great video *****
The L-1011 was so far ahead of it’s time. It was very unfortunate that they suffered setbacks from Rolls-Royce. I love the DC-10 and later MD-11 models, but the Tristar to me was hands-down the better plane. Had MD not gotten such a jump on sales (with some criminal assistance also), the L-1011 likely would have altered the future of US commercial aviation and perhaps become a big player on the current world stage of commercial aviation. L-1011 is #1 in my opinion. Love to the DC-10 and MD-11 though.