I've completely changed my mindset about this over the last few years. I used to dial in complex sounds and try to figure out how to make them work live. Now my attitude is that a good live sound is a good sound: simple, clear, elegant. My rig these days is two delays, a phaser, and a (hot!) clean boost straight into a power amp driving a small cab. (I gig with a Weber 1x10.) It sounds great live and is ridiculously easy to record and mix.
Hi Mr. Ostrander. First time viewer here. Thanks for the peak inside the studio. Not that it matters or is at all necessary of course but in case you were wondering about ways of retaining new viewers, I for one am a microphone nut. I absolutely _LOVE_ to get inside peaks on how sessions like these are miking up guitar, pedal steel and bass cabs, drums and rooms. Just figured I'd throw that out there. Cheers!
I’m a mixing engineer. You pretty much nailed it. If a band wants to do an “unedited” live off the floor song, then great. Assuming they can pull it off. (Not a problem in your world of course.) Otherwise, don’t expect your mixer to work pop miracles without replacing stuff, including the performances themselves at times. I’ve had to do that plenty.
When I’ve had to explain “live” recordings to people, they seem to think I’m crazy or lying 😂 I’ve engineered and produced for 7 time Grammy winners but I’m the one that doesn’t know what I’m talking about 😂
Another scenario that happened to me regarding mic bleed issues: One session was tracked in the Key of Eb - and sounded amazing, but was ultimately too high for the vocalist. We ended up down to the Key of C - and the bleed in the drum mix clashed harmonically with the new key. Up against a deadline, the engineer ended up subbing the drums with triggered samples and had to recreate the room mics. (The drummer was unavailable to recut.) Just another issue of live mics, and this was not a pop song. Great content as always!
Definitely have been thinking about the OxBox and your course as well, as I think would be a great addition to my current studies!! Great content Brother 🤟🎶
The UAOX BOX changed my life and completely changed how I record electric guitars. I don’t really know how I got by without it for these past 4 decades in the recording world.
Thanks for the video Justin, I'm super excited for your course!! The beano album famously had bleed issues. Clapton had that bluesbreaker absolutely cranked
Best version of myself, everything serves the vocals. 99.9 percent of all musicians has a lot to learn from you. Thanks for your great content and wisdom 👍🤘🎸 The perspective of serving the song is very rare here on youtube where guitar tone is so much in focus. You see it as one part of many that together should make a good song. Love it ❤
Glad you're back Justin! Reading through the comments about the Oxbox conditions. There is a major legal difference between a sweepstakes and a raffle. Unless I am totally out of my isolation box , Justin describing a raffle and the price of a ticket is membership and one lucky member will win. No harm no foul. Peace to all and let's enjoy this.
I injured myself building an amp fort for my little studio. And I was trying to remember which drum stool that you liked because I need something better to sit on. Asked and answered, I just ordered one. So thanks for that as well. Let’s see so far you’ve inspired my 335 purchase, my Princeton, the Buss pedal and now the drum thrown. You’re improving my setup and the economy 😉
First time to comment , but I have to say I love this video. On 2 fronts. I love the bleed over and make it feel like a more band vibe, but what I really want to get to is what you where saying about letting another guitar player inspire you and not compete with them is so crucial. I got the privilege to do a session with Cindy cashdollar years ago and it was pretty intimidating , but I had my parts and played to the record and let her inspire me even tonally and I still love listening to that record. But it carry's over to live gigs to, when you open up for bands that have guys like John Carroll or Chris Skrobot (pat green) you want to show them you're on there level, but if you just do what you do and play your parts for the songs they always respect you more than if you just go shred to show off. It took me a long time to get this . Wish I would have learned it much sooner
RCA Studio B was too small NOT to have bleed. They learned to make it help instead of hurt. Bleed is detrimental only when out of phase signals combine subtractively... move one of two mics a good bit, the bleed combines additively thus it becomes beneficial. (I ALWAYS do this with multiple mic'ing drums.)
great live album...Rod Piazza and The Mighty Flyers - Live at BB Kings Blues club on Beale street... with Alex Schultz on guitar, Bill Stuve on Bass, Jimi Bott on drums, and Honey Piazza on piano and of course Rod Piazza on harmonica aka Mississippi saxophone. 1994 on Big Mo Records. enjoy...
There was a studio in London where the microphones could pick up the toilet on the floor above when it was first built! Thankfully that part of the facility was quickly modified!
Great note about Jimmy Page, one of the most creative in the studio, not to mention the playing styles. Eddie VH bleed over and had that live room feel to make the records iconic. Thanks for the excellent pro insights.
Great video and topic. You would think the house engineer of some of these studios would be the biggest advocate to address these issues as often they’re working as mix engineer. Makes you wonder
just back your car up to the live room door, put your amp in the car, and run your lines and mic out there. problem solved. the legend PT Huston taught me that. people love it.
Does that acoustic door have a piston closer, either top or bottom? If yes, look at that little piece of metal behind the piston, see if it has worked it’s way toward the piston, not enough to Really prop the door open, but just enough creep to keep the door from that last little1/2” full close position.
Great video Justin. Thank you. I couldn't agree more when it comes to playing live as a band in the studio. Most music became so sterile and bland. Pitch corrected, grid aligned and soulless.
Hello Justin, very nice video of the studio world in Nashville. I was in Nashville in 2007 and visited two recording studios and had the same experience that the recordings are basically always made with the whole band together and that is what is special about the Nashville sound. But now to the point you mentioned about the acoustic guitar, that the door was a little bit open and the drums were disturbing. I listened to this guitar part myself with headphones and all I can say is that I had trouble actually hearing any disturbances. I would find it interesting if you could hear the whole song and see if you even find it disturbing. And it would also be interesting to know what the owner of the recording studio said about this “mistake”? Cheers from Germany , Steve Sledge
Yeah, it was the same for me. I came to the comments specifically because I couldn't hear anything but acoustic guitar! I was wondering if it wasn't a kind of emperor's new clothes test where the catch was that there *isn't* any bleed on the acoustic track but that nobody notices. Then again, it's likely just my 66 year old (guitarist gigging) ears are playing tricks
You can hear drums through that clip, especially cymbal crashes. If you’re on your phone without headphones, it’s probably hard to pick out. But it becomes a real problem when mixing if you are wanting to mix and match takes after the session. We get around it just fine on the tracking day. If it needs to be clean, we’ll wait for acoustic until drums are done (at studios where the bleed is an issue, which are very few and far between).
Question about mic bleed. I know nothing about professional recording, but I’ve seen AI tools that can isolate and select out particular sounds from other tracks that allow you to only hear the selected track. Is this not possible in studio recordings? Are there still artifacts that remain?
Hey Justin, Brett Papa just put a course out with you in it. It's called Foundations Of Rhythm Nashville Sessions It this the same course you are doing? I always look toward to your video's. 🙏
I agree. I would not do promotion as ‘purchase required’. Not worth the legal hassle. I’d just nix it altogether. Otherwise you may get caught up in a lawsuit.
Super excited for you about your course Justin! How much is it going to cost 😬? I really want it already lol, but I’m kind of on a tight budget right now.
Hi Justin, I’d like to send you my complete song but outside competition cause it will be ready to put out in upcoming months. I don’t mind the OX I’m just curious about your thoughts on the song.
I cut the tip off my pinky off years ago. Its now just a scar for a tip. Every time I use it (and I do use it constantly), it’s like jabbing a sewing needle in your finger tip. It goes numb after 20-30 mins, yeah man I know it suuuucks. You dont realize how much you use that thing until you hurt it.
Get to work and forge you some leather lined finger shaped thimble thingy a’la Tony Iommi and get to work. …be sure to pioneer a new style if music stemming from your playing style and down tunings.
My man! I in no way want to rain on your parade at all (huge congrats on the course release). You might want to look into illegal lotteries for the giveaway. That stuff is blowing up with all the Mr. Beast drama right now. I’m no expert, but I’d hate to see you in any amount of hot water for making the course purchase necessary for the giveaway. Much love brother.
Amazing channel! Big fan here, but I’m pretty sure your giveaway is illegal. Like 99% sure. I’d hate to see something shitty happen to you, especially since you are so generous with your time and insight into the world of great session playing. Can’t wait to hear more about the course though!
Hey Justin, great vid ! I wonder to know if it's possible for you to make a step introduction on how to write a song in the Nashville style. Ex : I saw you many times listent to a song while you writing notes on a page. That's excatly what i'm talking about. This point intereesting me a lot. Thanks !
I got a deep slice across the end of my third finger of my left hand while playing in Colorado Springs. It was in the seventies and at that time I was playing bass in a Jazz Funk band. So I finish the week out playing with a very painful third finger and a constant reminder of it on every song we played. Oh well, as you know the show must go on. Thank-you Bacardi 151.
i cut the top tendon on my fretting picking finger! I won't be able to play for at least 6 months. I cut it deep! I can almost use my other three fingers to play, just to keep a guitar in my hand. its scary to think i might have to have surgery.
That’s why today’s music sucks. It’s so sterile and lifeless. Everyone plays their individual parts and there’s no “band”. Ya you can serve the vocals but it’s still just elevator music because the music takes such a background, no life, no soul
BUY MY COURSE HERE: www.brettpapa.com/tools-for-the-creative-guitarist-justin-ostrander
I love the live stuff too. When all the musicians are playing at the same time, the chemistry can be magical.
I've completely changed my mindset about this over the last few years. I used to dial in complex sounds and try to figure out how to make them work live. Now my attitude is that a good live sound is a good sound: simple, clear, elegant. My rig these days is two delays, a phaser, and a (hot!) clean boost straight into a power amp driving a small cab. (I gig with a Weber 1x10.) It sounds great live and is ridiculously easy to record and mix.
Hi Mr. Ostrander. First time viewer here. Thanks for the peak inside the studio. Not that it matters or is at all necessary of course but in case you were wondering about ways of retaining new viewers, I for one am a microphone nut. I absolutely _LOVE_ to get inside peaks on how sessions like these are miking up guitar, pedal steel and bass cabs, drums and rooms. Just figured I'd throw that out there. Cheers!
I’m a mixing engineer. You pretty much nailed it. If a band wants to do an “unedited” live off the floor song, then great. Assuming they can pull it off. (Not a problem in your world of course.)
Otherwise, don’t expect your mixer to work pop miracles without replacing stuff, including the performances themselves at times. I’ve had to do that plenty.
When I’ve had to explain “live” recordings to people, they seem to think I’m crazy or lying 😂
I’ve engineered and produced for 7 time Grammy winners but I’m the one that doesn’t know what I’m talking about 😂
It’s important to be a good leader. As a bassist I always sell myself as a good follower.
love seeing these recording session setups! very cool, thanks for sharing.
Another scenario that happened to me regarding mic bleed issues: One session was tracked in the Key of Eb - and sounded amazing, but was ultimately too high for the vocalist. We ended up down to the Key of C - and the bleed in the drum mix clashed harmonically with the new key. Up against a deadline, the engineer ended up subbing the drums with triggered samples and had to recreate the room mics. (The drummer was unavailable to recut.) Just another issue of live mics, and this was not a pop song. Great content as always!
Raging with jealousy right now - love the setup, love the gear.
Definitely have been thinking about the OxBox and your course as well, as I think would be a great addition to my current studies!! Great content Brother 🤟🎶
The UAOX BOX changed my life and completely changed how I record electric guitars. I don’t really know how I got by without it for these past 4 decades in the recording world.
Another great video. Thank you!
Was just talking about this with some players in church - we’re here to complete one another, not compete with one another.
Thanks for the video Justin, I'm super excited for your course!!
The beano album famously had bleed issues. Clapton had that bluesbreaker absolutely cranked
Best version of myself, everything serves the vocals. 99.9 percent of all musicians has a lot to learn from you. Thanks for your great content and wisdom 👍🤘🎸 The perspective of serving the song is very rare here on youtube where guitar tone is so much in focus. You see it as one part of many that together should make a good song. Love it ❤
Glad you're back Justin! Reading through the comments about the Oxbox conditions. There is a major legal difference between a sweepstakes and a raffle. Unless I am totally out of my isolation box , Justin describing a raffle and the price of a ticket is membership and one lucky member will win. No harm no foul. Peace to all and let's enjoy this.
Spot on! Enjoyable and informative. Thank you.
I injured myself building an amp fort for my little studio. And I was trying to remember which drum stool that you liked because I need something better to sit on. Asked and answered, I just ordered one. So thanks for that as well. Let’s see so far you’ve inspired my 335 purchase, my Princeton, the Buss pedal and now the drum thrown. You’re improving my setup and the economy 😉
First time to comment , but I have to say I love this video. On 2 fronts. I love the bleed over and make it feel like a more band vibe, but what I really want to get to is what you where saying about letting another guitar player inspire you and not compete with them is so crucial. I got the privilege to do a session with Cindy cashdollar years ago and it was pretty intimidating , but I had my parts and played to the record and let her inspire me even tonally and I still love listening to that record. But it carry's over to live gigs to, when you open up for bands that have guys like John Carroll or Chris Skrobot (pat green) you want to show them you're on there level, but if you just do what you do and play your parts for the songs they always respect you more than if you just go shred to show off. It took me a long time to get this . Wish I would have learned it much sooner
Excellent
Quick suggestion about your foam cab "fort". Place a heavy, weighted blanket over the foam structure. It drops another 3db.
RCA Studio B was too small NOT to have bleed. They learned to make it help instead of hurt.
Bleed is detrimental only when out of phase signals combine subtractively... move one of two mics a good bit, the bleed combines additively thus it becomes beneficial.
(I ALWAYS do this with multiple mic'ing drums.)
Great attitude! Couldn’t agree more😉
Very interesting content. I'm interested in your course!
I've got a blister on ma finger! Cheers Justin!!
Welcome back, my man!!!
Missed you around here, hope all is well.
Liking the early Brett Papa stuff.
As always, priceless wisdom and insight from a dude with lots of mileage and scar tissue.
I’ll be using this in my classes. Grazi Maestro.
great live album...Rod Piazza and The Mighty Flyers - Live at BB Kings Blues club on Beale street... with Alex Schultz on guitar, Bill Stuve on Bass, Jimi Bott on drums, and Honey Piazza on piano and of course Rod Piazza on harmonica aka Mississippi saxophone. 1994 on Big Mo Records. enjoy...
I love seeing that kind of stuff.
There was a studio in London where the microphones could pick up the toilet on the floor above when it was first built! Thankfully that part of the facility was quickly modified!
Bill Putnam often used one of the bathrooms of his studio as a reverb chamber and it was not uncommon for flushing sounds to end up in records.
Great note about Jimmy Page, one of the most creative in the studio, not to mention the playing styles. Eddie VH bleed over and had that live room feel to make the records iconic. Thanks for the excellent pro insights.
Good to see you J.O.!
Can say I’ve built a cab fort out of couch cushions😂🤷🏻♂️
Man I’m glad another video has come 😂
Great video
Great video and topic. You would think the house engineer of some of these studios would be the biggest advocate to address these issues as often they’re working as mix engineer. Makes you wonder
So totally agree❤
just back your car up to the live room door, put your amp in the car, and run your lines and mic out there. problem solved. the legend PT Huston taught me that. people love it.
Does that acoustic door have a piston closer, either top or bottom? If yes, look at that little piece of metal behind the piston, see if it has worked it’s way toward the piston, not enough to Really prop the door open, but just enough creep to keep the door from that last little1/2” full close position.
I’m 95 percent sure that I was in and out of that studio 25 years ago and they were doing the same cab isolation back then.
I’ve been eyeing that xotic blend pedal thing looks handy.
Great video Justin. Thank you. I couldn't agree more when it comes to playing live as a band in the studio. Most music became so sterile and bland. Pitch corrected, grid aligned and soulless.
Hope all is well out east. Just want you to know you're missed
They have software now that will fix bleed now(i.e. Spectralayers)
Hello Justin, very nice video of the studio world in Nashville. I was in Nashville in 2007 and visited two recording studios and had the same experience that the recordings are basically always made with the whole band together and that is what is special about the Nashville sound. But now to the point you mentioned about the acoustic guitar, that the door was a little bit open and the drums were disturbing. I listened to this guitar part myself with headphones and all I can say is that I had trouble actually hearing any disturbances. I would find it interesting if you could hear the whole song and see if you even find it disturbing. And it would also be interesting to know what the owner of the recording studio said about this “mistake”? Cheers from Germany , Steve Sledge
Yeah, it was the same for me. I came to the comments specifically because I couldn't hear anything but acoustic guitar! I was wondering if it wasn't a kind of emperor's new clothes test where the catch was that there *isn't* any bleed on the acoustic track but that nobody notices. Then again, it's likely just my 66 year old (guitarist gigging) ears are playing tricks
You can hear drums through that clip, especially cymbal crashes. If you’re on your phone without headphones, it’s probably hard to pick out. But it becomes a real problem when mixing if you are wanting to mix and match takes after the session.
We get around it just fine on the tracking day. If it needs to be clean, we’ll wait for acoustic until drums are done (at studios where the bleed is an issue, which are very few and far between).
Question about mic bleed. I know nothing about professional recording, but I’ve seen AI tools that can isolate and select out particular sounds from other tracks that allow you to only hear the selected track. Is this not possible in studio recordings? Are there still artifacts that remain?
Hey Justin, Brett Papa just put a course out with you in it.
It's called Foundations Of Rhythm Nashville Sessions
It this the same course you are doing? I always look toward to your video's. 🙏
I was a guest on that course. It is not my course that I did with him. That's different, and it's coming!
@@JustinOstrander Thank you!👌
I agree. I would not do promotion as ‘purchase required’. Not worth the legal hassle. I’d just nix it altogether. Otherwise you may get caught up in a lawsuit.
Super excited for you about your course Justin! How much is it going to cost 😬? I really want it already lol, but I’m kind of on a tight budget right now.
There should be some kind of promo deal when it drops. I’m not sure
@@JustinOstrander thanks for reaching back out Justin, means a lot…
Hi Justin, I’d like to send you my complete song but outside competition cause it will be ready to put out in upcoming months. I don’t mind the OX I’m just curious about your thoughts on the song.
I cut the tip off my pinky off years ago. Its now just a scar for a tip. Every time I use it (and I do use it constantly), it’s like jabbing a sewing needle in your finger tip. It goes numb after 20-30 mins, yeah man I know it suuuucks. You dont realize how much you use that thing until you hurt it.
Get to work and forge you some leather lined finger shaped thimble thingy a’la Tony Iommi and get to work. …be sure to pioneer a new style if music stemming from your playing style and down tunings.
Curious now if AI could isolate and remove drum bleed out of an acoustic track like that?
Yeah it’s not pretty. We use it sometimes to pull a scratch vocal out of a demo track to play to
When does the course come out???
My man! I in no way want to rain on your parade at all (huge congrats on the course release). You might want to look into illegal lotteries for the giveaway. That stuff is blowing up with all the Mr. Beast drama right now. I’m no expert, but I’d hate to see you in any amount of hot water for making the course purchase necessary for the giveaway. Much love brother.
Oh brother...much love.
Amazing channel! Big fan here, but I’m pretty sure your giveaway is illegal. Like 99% sure. I’d hate to see something shitty happen to you, especially since you are so generous with your time and insight into the world of great session playing. Can’t wait to hear more about the course though!
How did I not ever notice that about Uncle Larry?!? 😮
Notice what?
Hard agree on the ROC-n-Soc
Nearly the exact settings my 63 Bassman lives at. Volume give or take.
Brett put a course out last week with you and Kenny Greenberg playing parts on it too. I guess you are referring to another course with him?
Yep mine is different and should be out soon
@@JustinOstrander Awesome! Looking forward to it.
Sort of off topic - I don't see 12 strings too often. Are those out of fashion? Maybe they were never in fashion...
They’ve made a comeback recently in the acoustic chair. I love 12 string acoustic
So much profound wisdom that should be (but it's not) common sense.
Hey Justin, great vid ! I wonder to know if it's possible for you to make a step introduction on how to write a song in the Nashville style. Ex : I saw you many times listent to a song while you writing notes on a page. That's excatly what i'm talking about. This point intereesting me a lot. Thanks !
In that example, I’m writing a chart for the song as it plays.
@@JustinOstrander ok, but I want learn how to doing it, if it's possible ? Big thanks !
How do I hook my ox to the computer? He doesn't even want to be hooked to the plow. lol
Mine is hooked up using an optical audio cable
I got a deep slice across the end of my third finger of my left hand while playing in Colorado Springs. It was in the seventies and at that time I was playing bass in a Jazz Funk band. So I finish the week out playing with a very painful third finger and a constant reminder of it on every song we played. Oh well, as you know the show must go on. Thank-you Bacardi 151.
Does that mean every Nashville session player is a closet shredder?
Jason Aldean is great
Pro Guitar players should insure their fingers. And wear good gloves when cutting stuff and doing mechanic stuff.
i cut the top tendon on my fretting picking finger! I won't be able to play for at least 6 months. I cut it deep! I can almost use my other three fingers to play, just to keep a guitar in my hand. its scary to think i might have to have surgery.
there he is. got unsubs again. youtubes a monster
Can we normalize getting to the actual content of videos without 5 minutes of intro housekeeping?
Man, I cannot hear anything but acoustic guitar in the acoustic track. Must need new headphones or ears.
That’s why today’s music sucks. It’s so sterile and lifeless. Everyone plays their individual parts and there’s no “band”. Ya you can serve the vocals but it’s still just elevator music because the music takes such a background, no life, no soul
5 minutes to get around to the point. No thanks