AnalyticalNinja here, it was just so much fun working with Palpot on this one, and I'm really glad to see it got featured! As Simon noticed, there's some very intricate logic at times, but definitely very satisfying once it's found. Thanks again for featuring this one, it was an absolute honor and pleasure working with Palpot and am so glad this joint creation could be featured! 😊
I've noticed that Simon often overlooks connecting the perimeter in yin-yang puzzles. Despite diligently explaining the principle every time. It might explain his scepticism about the value of investigating the shading options in box 9. At this 24:18 stage, asking which of the staple endpoints in box 9 (r9c7 or r9c8) is blue *AND* connecting the other to the rest of the perimeter quickly reveals that in either case: *both* r8c7-8 are blue. Which of course leads to the blue segment having a length of 3, and therefore unable to use the Whisper constraint. Then at 44:27 If r9c7 is blue, r9c6 must be green to avoid 2x2; and must connect via the perimeter to r6c1. If r9c7 is green, then it must connect via the perimeter to r6c1. So, in both cases the perimeter from r9c6 to r6c1 is always green. Similarly, by considering r9c8, we can confirm r8c9 is always green. Either by perimeter logic, or to avoid a 2x2. (Although the colour of r9c9 is implied by the uniqueness principle, it's only confirmed by placing the 9 in box 9. Which makes r9c8 green and it must connect to the rest of the perimeter.) And of course, the perimeter should immediately have been completed at this 1:07:43 stage. That said, despite whatever perception filter causes these oversights, Simon always gets there in the end. 👏👏👏
1:07 As soon as he resolved the colours at the bottom of the staple, I was expecting him to complete the perimeter as per his "secrets of yin yang" intro.
I think you can get the coloring of all of box 7 and 8 around the 44 minute mark by seeing left of the staple is the same whether the blue end of the staple is on the left or right
46:40 and 50:00 need to rule out the possibility of a 1,3,5 modular line, fairly easy in box nine because a 2nd 9 would need to be on the whisper line in the box and box 1 luckily the 9 gets ruled out later
Wow. Doesn't often happen (like virtually never), but this one time I managed to take just a few minutes less than Simon. Of course, I have the luxury of only having to explain logic to myself. What I saw a lot earlier was the shadiness of the perimeter in the bottom right corner - that helps in determining which is the whisper section and which is the modulo section. I worked out at the start that 5x9 sections wouldn't work; as a 36-pair obeys neither. Then I worked out which sections could be both whisper sections and funnily enough that left a nice, working modulo. Then combined with the long line in the top left... that went fast, really fast. Great puzzle. I would say approachable, but I think I was just lucky spotting the line of inquiry. I did try to think what Simon would say.
I suspect Simon has a mental block against closing perimeters in yin yang puzzles. I've notice this is something he often overlooks in these puzzles. And in this case, not considering the impact of closing the perimeter based on which of the staple endpoints was blue/green, meant he was hampered with the open question of which colour used which rule for quite a long time.
18:00 - I just had the most amazingly good feeling upon working out the colour of the square in row 3 column 3. I'm not going to spoil it, although Simonesque hints are under the spoiler line if other people can't figure it out. 1. You can't have a chequerboard, or a 2x2 square all the same colour. 2. Twelve is bigger than nine - that's a knowledge bomb from Cracking the Cryptic 3. Six is a monogamous digit on a German Whisper line.
Simon, as soon as you put the green shading to the left of the blue cell in r9c7, you could have filled the rest of the perimeter in green by Yin Yang rules. You never noticed that there was only one blue cell in the perimeter. Great video as always. I always get a buzz when I see things before the Master. Merry Christmas to all at CtC.
I am glad to have the last sentence of the rules read and explained. I assumed “a set” meant “a set.” As in each different segment on a line would have digits from a different set.
It's strange how Simon focuses so much on the possible digits that he doesn't see @40:50 that the yin-yang breaks either way. The horseshoe line there cannot be split in 2:2 either way!
@1:15:10 completely disregards the yin-yang breaking, until he notices it 5 mins later. 😱 but he never really addresses the perimeter again. 😅I very much enjoyed this puzzle. Thanks for featuring it!
Thats likely the first puzzle in a while I didn't know how to start. I've looked at it for 20 minutes and the only thing I could deduce is that there's obviously a 5 in the long line in row 7, and that 5 would definitely be unshaded. But where to place it? Absolutely no idea. That's a six stars out of five for me.
Simon's had a holiday. I'm as guilty as many others in automatically thinking he'd been ill. I'm going to punish myself by sitting in the naughty corner... oh, hang on, what's this 3 doing there...?
?Ala 1:20:00, if it’s possible for a line to be all the same shade, couldn’t it be possible for the horizontal line in Column 7 to be all modular or all German whisper? And if so, the break in to the puzzle is at risk…
45:36, had to look at the video because I assumed the lines had to at least have a shaded and an unshaded section and broke the bottom of the grid. I also saw that I started on the bottom of the grid while Simon started at the top.
Wow! I spent 51:32 solving this. My second puzzle that I managed to solve substantially (more than 20%) faster than Simon or Mark. Usually I spend like 1.5-2x more time than they do but that one was created exactly for me and my mindset. It was a race with my own that I rarely win but today I've succeeded! (:
The unshaded modular rule as written is a bit confusing. It reads to me as each module having to be from a single set. So up to 3 digits being 1, 4, or 7 for instance. But the way Simon is talking about it sounds like those digits are alternating between the sets.
I have similar issues with the way the rules are written. In fact, I immediately stumbled twice. 1. Is it fair to assume that a line _must_ have at least two segments? If not, at least the 5-cell line in boxes 4/5 and the three cell line in boxes 7/8 could be only one colour. 2. The modular rule is strangely stated. Judging by the way it is written, one can assume that on a line with more than one _unshaded_ segment, those segments must be from different modular sets, at most three modular segments _and_ at most three cells long. However, this is mathematically difficult as there would be only two possible distributions, both consisting of only two specific 1-cell and 2-cell segments, namely 1,7 / 8 and 2,5 / 7. Of course the second question breaks the maths on the 9-cell line in row 7 (specifically the necessity to be divided in either five 9-sum-segments or three 15-sum-segments), but until one comes to that conclusion, the modularity rule remains ambiguous - and the first question still remains.
I know it's pre-recorded, but just how long ago was this recorded? No christmas 3, I think that's the old shade of blue? A trip through the archives for this one i think. 😂
32:41 for me. this was not as hard as the length of the video makes it believe to be. i wonder why it took Simon so long. Edit: it was all about the "staple" in box 9. I got the importance of it right away and worked it much more thoroughly than Simon. Even though he used it to figure out the shading he could have done a lot more there and the rest of the solve would be much easier.
I actually couldn't follow this video at all. Using two colors when the rule set was shaded/unshaded broke my brain. I know you're just trying to work out which is which but it made it more complicated to me.
It's a fairly standard approach for Yin Yang puzzles to assign different colours to shaded and "unshaded". You can hardly leave unshaded cells white, since there's no way then to distinguish between starting cells and cells you have determined are "unshaded".
?Ala 1:20:00, if it’s possible for a line to be all the same shade, couldn’t it be possible for the horizontal line in Column 7 to be all modular or all German whisper? And if so, the break in to the puzzle is at risk…
AnalyticalNinja here, it was just so much fun working with Palpot on this one, and I'm really glad to see it got featured! As Simon noticed, there's some very intricate logic at times, but definitely very satisfying once it's found. Thanks again for featuring this one, it was an absolute honor and pleasure working with Palpot and am so glad this joint creation could be featured! 😊
Cringe and gay
After watching the puzzle with Simons purple water and grey islands, it was weirdly calming to actually see blue and green together
I've noticed that Simon often overlooks connecting the perimeter in yin-yang puzzles. Despite diligently explaining the principle every time.
It might explain his scepticism about the value of investigating the shading options in box 9.
At this 24:18 stage, asking which of the staple endpoints in box 9 (r9c7 or r9c8) is blue *AND* connecting the other to the rest of the perimeter quickly reveals that in either case: *both* r8c7-8 are blue.
Which of course leads to the blue segment having a length of 3, and therefore unable to use the Whisper constraint.
Then at 44:27
If r9c7 is blue, r9c6 must be green to avoid 2x2; and must connect via the perimeter to r6c1.
If r9c7 is green, then it must connect via the perimeter to r6c1.
So, in both cases the perimeter from r9c6 to r6c1 is always green.
Similarly, by considering r9c8, we can confirm r8c9 is always green. Either by perimeter logic, or to avoid a 2x2.
(Although the colour of r9c9 is implied by the uniqueness principle, it's only confirmed by placing the 9 in box 9. Which makes r9c8 green and it must connect to the rest of the perimeter.)
And of course, the perimeter should immediately have been completed at this 1:07:43 stage.
That said, despite whatever perception filter causes these oversights, Simon always gets there in the end. 👏👏👏
"Somehow that's not resolved" Great video as always!! Thank you Simon
@1:12:00 The subconscious cursor returns!
Literally pulled out my phone to come look for/type this comment
1:07 As soon as he resolved the colours at the bottom of the staple, I was expecting him to complete the perimeter as per his "secrets of yin yang" intro.
I think you can get the coloring of all of box 7 and 8 around the 44 minute mark by seeing left of the staple is the same whether the blue end of the staple is on the left or right
Rules: 01:54
Let's Get Cracking: 07:04
Simon's time: 1h17m05s
Puzzle Solved: 1:24:09
What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
The Secret: 6x (07:17, 09:56, 10:00, 10:06, 10:08, 10:23)
Three In the Corner: 4x (1:03:42, 1:11:40, 1:14:57, 1:22:20)
And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
Ah: 26x (11:37, 13:02, 14:15, 22:38, 32:41, 36:32, 37:28, 41:37, 41:54, 43:07, 43:07, 43:17, 45:25, 1:01:27, 1:02:08, 1:03:07, 1:03:11, 1:07:25, 1:10:36, 1:13:03, 1:13:37, 1:14:24, 1:16:49, 1:19:34, 1:19:41, 1:20:14, 1:22:25)
Hang On: 22x (29:00, 29:09, 34:45, 37:24, 39:18, 50:29, 50:52, 55:44, 55:54, 55:54, 1:00:02, 1:00:05, 1:00:05, 1:00:05, 1:04:26, 1:04:33, 1:18:55, 1:18:58, 1:19:08, 1:19:19)
Sorry: 11x (00:18, 17:59, 18:16, 21:24, 30:25, 31:30, 31:30, 39:32, 41:37, 47:48, 49:27)
Checkerboard: 11x (07:26, 08:33, 08:37, 16:57, 44:24, 49:41, 53:59, 1:01:29, 1:02:42, 1:03:07, 1:05:43)
Beautiful: 9x (46:57, 47:23, 47:25, 53:00, 1:14:27, 1:20:16, 1:21:21, 1:21:24, 1:21:27)
Clever: 7x (22:44, 30:08, 43:21, 59:31, 1:20:18, 1:23:26, 1:23:57)
By Sudoku: 7x (1:00:28, 1:11:22, 1:12:25, 1:13:03, 1:13:07, 1:13:47, 1:23:15)
Weird: 6x (13:41, 14:15, 18:16, 27:46, 34:54, 53:46)
Goodness: 5x (14:15, 43:17, 1:04:45, 1:14:12, 1:15:32)
Nonsense: 4x (41:45, 1:16:54, 1:17:00, 1:21:08)
In Fact: 4x (05:56, 53:31, 53:43, 1:09:57)
Wow: 4x (17:59, 30:21, 35:19, 1:23:26)
Bother: 3x (27:22, 1:05:15, 1:18:51)
Fascinating: 3x (25:51, 1:19:59, 1:23:33)
Lovely: 2x (40:01, 1:07:59)
What on Earth: 1x (17:59)
What a Puzzle: 1x (1:23:24)
Naked Single: 1x (1:17:37)
In the Spotlight: 1x (1:11:43)
Horrible Feeling: 1x (26:13)
Brilliant: 1x (59:33)
Deadly Pattern: 1x (1:24:06)
Gorgeous: 1x (44:26)
Take a Bow: 1x (1:24:17)
Our old Friend Sudoku: 1x (1:06:38)
Bizarre: 1x (43:25)
Obviously: 1x (20:25)
We Can Do Better Than That: 1x (52:28)
Phone is Buzzing: 1x (59:09)
Progress: 1x (1:20:14)
What Does This Mean?: 1x (16:37)
Nature: 1x (1:24:04)
Pencil Mark/mark: 1x (1:21:00)
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can we get a "bobbins" counter? xD
Yelling YING-YANG for quite a bit! 😂
46:40 and 50:00 need to rule out the possibility of a 1,3,5 modular line, fairly easy in box nine because a 2nd 9 would need to be on the whisper line in the box and box 1 luckily the 9 gets ruled out later
Wow. Doesn't often happen (like virtually never), but this one time I managed to take just a few minutes less than Simon. Of course, I have the luxury of only having to explain logic to myself. What I saw a lot earlier was the shadiness of the perimeter in the bottom right corner - that helps in determining which is the whisper section and which is the modulo section. I worked out at the start that 5x9 sections wouldn't work; as a 36-pair obeys neither. Then I worked out which sections could be both whisper sections and funnily enough that left a nice, working modulo. Then combined with the long line in the top left... that went fast, really fast. Great puzzle. I would say approachable, but I think I was just lucky spotting the line of inquiry. I did try to think what Simon would say.
I suspect Simon has a mental block against closing perimeters in yin yang puzzles.
I've notice this is something he often overlooks in these puzzles.
And in this case, not considering the impact of closing the perimeter based on which of the staple endpoints was blue/green, meant he was hampered with the open question of which colour used which rule for quite a long time.
18:00 - I just had the most amazingly good feeling upon working out the colour of the square in row 3 column 3. I'm not going to spoil it, although Simonesque hints are under the spoiler line if other people can't figure it out.
1. You can't have a chequerboard, or a 2x2 square all the same colour.
2. Twelve is bigger than nine - that's a knowledge bomb from Cracking the Cryptic
3. Six is a monogamous digit on a German Whisper line.
OOPS, forget that. I was thinking the other condition was [1,2,3], [4,5,6] or [7,8,9], not [1,4,7], [2,5,8] and [3,6,9] which it is. Oh, well.
Not sure whether this colour combination is particularly colour blind friendly, but at least the whispers are green 😅
54:10 please sign (like/comment) this official petition for Simon to record a narration of an Enid Blyton book!
Simon, as soon as you put the green shading to the left of the blue cell in r9c7, you could have filled the rest of the perimeter in green by Yin Yang rules. You never noticed that there was only one blue cell in the perimeter. Great video as always. I always get a buzz when I see things before the Master. Merry Christmas to all at CtC.
A little over an hour in and I have never yelled at Simon more passionately ❤
i see you were saving this one for a special day, amazing puzzle!
The degree of lookahead required here is ... challenging. "It's not bifurcation if I do it in my head."
I am glad to have the last sentence of the rules read and explained. I assumed “a set” meant “a set.” As in each different segment on a line would have digits from a different set.
Thank you for the note about Simon in the description! The silence had been a little unnerving. 😅
i dont even know where to start with this one :((( oh well ill get there someday!
Curling up on the floor and sobbing is very effective.
It's strange how Simon focuses so much on the possible digits that he doesn't see @40:50 that the yin-yang breaks either way. The horseshoe line there cannot be split in 2:2 either way!
@1:15:10 completely disregards the yin-yang breaking, until he notices it 5 mins later. 😱 but he never really addresses the perimeter again. 😅I very much enjoyed this puzzle. Thanks for featuring it!
At 24:54, you could at least look at the b9 line to identify the parity between green and blue. There is no way for r8c78 to be green.
Thats likely the first puzzle in a while I didn't know how to start. I've looked at it for 20 minutes and the only thing I could deduce is that there's obviously a 5 in the long line in row 7, and that 5 would definitely be unshaded. But where to place it? Absolutely no idea. That's a six stars out of five for me.
Simon's had a holiday. I'm as guilty as many others in automatically thinking he'd been ill. I'm going to punish myself by sitting in the naughty corner... oh, hang on, what's this 3 doing there...?
No Finks this week? The Brainwaves puzzle was too hard (I prefer numbers to letters) for me so I was hoping to see Simon's solve.
Surely box 9 is costrained enough to get information on which color is which and how it's shaded
?Ala 1:20:00, if it’s possible for a line to be all the same shade, couldn’t it be possible for the horizontal line in Column 7 to be all modular or all German whisper? And if so, the break in to the puzzle is at risk…
45:36, had to look at the video because I assumed the lines had to at least have a shaded and an unshaded section and broke the bottom of the grid. I also saw that I started on the bottom of the grid while Simon started at the top.
Wow! I spent 51:32 solving this. My second puzzle that I managed to solve substantially (more than 20%) faster than Simon or Mark. Usually I spend like 1.5-2x more time than they do but that one was created exactly for me and my mindset. It was a race with my own that I rarely win but today I've succeeded! (:
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Brilliant puzzle.
The unshaded modular rule as written is a bit confusing. It reads to me as each module having to be from a single set. So up to 3 digits being 1, 4, or 7 for instance. But the way Simon is talking about it sounds like those digits are alternating between the sets.
I have similar issues with the way the rules are written. In fact, I immediately stumbled twice.
1. Is it fair to assume that a line _must_ have at least two segments? If not, at least the 5-cell line in boxes 4/5 and the three cell line in boxes 7/8 could be only one colour.
2. The modular rule is strangely stated. Judging by the way it is written, one can assume that on a line with more than one _unshaded_ segment, those segments must be from different modular sets, at most three modular segments _and_ at most three cells long. However, this is mathematically difficult as there would be only two possible distributions, both consisting of only two specific 1-cell and 2-cell segments, namely 1,7 / 8 and 2,5 / 7.
Of course the second question breaks the maths on the 9-cell line in row 7 (specifically the necessity to be divided in either five 9-sum-segments or three 15-sum-segments), but until one comes to that conclusion, the modularity rule remains ambiguous - and the first question still remains.
I know it's pre-recorded, but just how long ago was this recorded?
No christmas 3, I think that's the old shade of blue?
A trip through the archives for this one i think. 😂
1:09:05 is it sudoku - YES. yes it is lol😂. And then misses the 1,6 in box 3
Interesting ruleset.
Aww, i already did this one (apparently with a time of 30:07.) I don't do many besides what's posted so I always feel unlucky when this happens 😅
32:41 for me. this was not as hard as the length of the video makes it believe to be. i wonder why it took Simon so long.
Edit: it was all about the "staple" in box 9. I got the importance of it right away and worked it much more thoroughly than Simon. Even though he used it to figure out the shading he could have done a lot more there and the rest of the solve would be much easier.
Didn’t watch the video yet, but his yin-yang theories could take up to ten minutes, and then there are the German whisper secrets to explain as well.
yeah he found that about 43 mins in…
Exactly.
People need to remember, he's not just solving, he's _teaching,_ and teaching takes time.
I wasted so much time forgetting one “option” didn’t fit the mod of the line lol
I actually couldn't follow this video at all. Using two colors when the rule set was shaded/unshaded broke my brain. I know you're just trying to work out which is which but it made it more complicated to me.
It's a fairly standard approach for Yin Yang puzzles to assign different colours to shaded and "unshaded". You can hardly leave unshaded cells white, since there's no way then to distinguish between starting cells and cells you have determined are "unshaded".
still pre-recorded video because it's the old blue... still would be nice to just let us know Simon is okay
See the description, Simon is back tomorrow.
@@jonathanallan5007 oh great! I missed that, thank you!
?Ala 1:20:00, if it’s possible for a line to be all the same shade, couldn’t it be possible for the horizontal line in Column 7 to be all modular or all German whisper? And if so, the break in to the puzzle is at risk…