No one gives a shit about woz as much as Steve. He wrote his name in the history and whenever people will talk about humanity people will remember Steve not woz. This is what becoming immoral look like.
Steve jobs is only good at marketing. Even at that we can have doubts. Steve Jobs is so stupid he had curable cancer and he decided to do stupid diets and stupid things like rock medicine no wonder he died
But steve Jobs changed the world. Literally, everyone on the planet knows his name, but woz was just an engineer Never knew woz existed if it wasn't because of knowing and loving and searching about steve Jobs Sometimes, good people, die sooner
That's literally every founder, they tell you that you're a part of it, you do most of the work, and they take most of the profits, simply for the sake of "I took the risk".
Unless you're the only employee, you didn't do most of the work. Also, the idea for the company, its strategy & management also counts. Not to mention the fact that they're the ones who started the company & thus created a source of employment for you and/or anyone else in that instant. Also, no one's forcing anyone to take the job. Since you do most of the work, why not start your own company & take the lion share in proportion to your work. If founders' work is just a small part, which in turn means it's easier than "doing most of the work", why isn't everyone doing it? And why are those doing it failing most of the time (most startups fail within a few years)?
@@AkeruZikora you have no idea what you're talking about, I worked in a startup as an only employee (people started joining later) and trust me, I did more than starting a new company, how do I know ? Because I just registered another company with the help of a friend where he's also doing a decent chunk of work and almost all of legal stuff and yet the profit is 50-50 because he knows he can't make the product without me. Compliances and registrations are barely that difficult as I've done the standard one's and for the complicated one's you keep a company secratary. Try to write a software from scratch, especially for an embedded system under that heavy constraints, and then talk to me,
@@AkeruZikora most startup fails because of mostly three reasons, 1. You don't know how to monitize your product 2. You don't know how to market your product. 3. Your employees which make the backbone of your company leave because of your greedy practices.
@@AkeruZikoraI'm going to copy this response and paste it every time I see this stupid remark being made. The most asinine thought process "Business owners are leeches"
Doesn’t know shit? The media really make everyone hear what they wanna hear don’t they? Steve job have been making electronic hardware since he was 13. He just didnt get formal tech education
Who's here to say or confirm that it's true? But if it is, then that says a bit about how "some" people are in life. One of my favourite quotes in life is what Warren Buffett once said, "honesty is an expensive gift, don't expect it from cheap people."
Movie tells us that jobs wouldn't even pay for his daughter tuition since it was more than what the judge order but that amount was from before he was a millionaire and the tuition was when he was already super rich that tells u what kind of person he was
i’ve seen the movie too, but im not sure that was reason, I think he stood more on his principle and ego and was mad at the mother of his child not being appreciative for the house. But I could also be wrong
I read his biography and this story is told in that; except it wasn’t thousands. Steve had got a bonus from Atari of a few hundred bucks for getting the job done in a short space of time but allegedly didn’t tell Woz about it. Steve said he could never recall the incident but the manager from Atari confirmed.
I disagree. The big difference between Steve Jobs and Elon Musk is: that Steve Jobs is realistic when he is visionary. He moves in the realms of the possible, and demands only what is possible. While Elon Musk claims and promises to do the impossible, and dont considers what is possible and what not. Yes, Elon Musks also shoves his dreams to engineers. But the difference is: he doesnt know whats possible. For instance: Hyperloop. He literally dreams without the feet on the ground. Steve Jobs never dreamed without feets on the ground. Steve Jobs never promised which wasnt there yet. Elon Musk says ''next year it will come''... Steve Jobs, as far i can tell, never did this. Every keynote of Jobs was a presentation of the product which is already there (iphone, ipad, itunes, ipod, etc). Unfortunately people always compare Elon Musk to Steve Jobs. Elon Musk used the void Steve Jobs left - and acted like he is the new Steve Jobs. Thats how he got so famous. In terms of products he did literally nothing besides the Tesla Car - which is not innovative - in no sense.
without steve jobs, woz would still be giving his plans for free to be an ordinary person and more importantly, he would have never made history with jobs.
Did you know him? Or are you judging based on hear say and what others said. All I know is he did a lot of good in his life including helping Woz as otherwise he would have just been another engineer.
Hello? It's what every business does in existence, or what we nowadays call flipping. Take a product or service and make a profit either by lowering its production cost or raising its price. The only objectionable thing here is Steve Jobs lying to his friend.
There’s a lot of “business” folks like that. Some people in the business world have no morals. Because they talk louder, get preferential treatment for being attractive, and have the confidence to seize opportunities, they end up getting paid for something they barely worked for.
That was 5000 USD. Atari asked jobs to create the board within 50 chips, he will get 1000 USD more per chip if it's less than 50... woz created the board with 45 chips. So jobs got 5000 USD.
Jobs returned to Atari in early 1975, and that summer, Bushnell assigned him to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout in as few chips as possible, knowing that Jobs would recruit Wozniak for help. During his day job at HP, Wozniak drew sketches of the circuit design; at night, he joined Jobs at Atari and continued to refine the design, which Jobs implemented on a breadboard.[55] According to Bushnell, Atari offered $100 (equivalent to about $500 in 2022) for each TTL chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari engineers, within four days Wozniak reduced the TTL count to 45, far below the usual 100, though Atari later re-engineered it to make it easier to test and add a few missing features.[56] According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari paid them only $750 (instead of the actual $5,000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $375.[57] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later but said that if Jobs had told him about it and explained that he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.
@@aybaws you wouldn’t be CEO of a multiple trillion dollar company if you aren’t ruthless. It’s part of the job description Except Elon wants not just corporate power but political power than affect people’s lives through changing social policies (pro life, anti lgbtq …)
@@aviralsharma2005it’s not about who built it, it’s about who sold it. Doesn’t how great your product is if you cannot sell it to anyone and that’s what Jobs was so good at and his influence still exists to this day.
The gifted have seen beyond the dark Void into Tesla's mind and hear Steve Jobs from the other side. We walk in the future no people just buildings no life.
His autobiography, if you count the pages that are written and unwritten, are a grand total of 666 pages. The first computer was sold for $ 666.66. The logo they used in their advertisement, which was an apple logo made from @ signs had 336 @ signs.
Yeah the other part is that Woz already came from a rich family of engineers in Silicon Valley. Steve jobs was basically much poorer. So I think this is smart. Until woz found out he knew nothing of it!
Woz never cared about the money. He even gave his shares away later. The point remains, it's not about the money but integrity and principles. As much as I like Jobs, he failed in this particular instance.
@@aviralsharma2005 I disagree. Woz was subcontracted. I understood considering the situation. Jobs or Woz had no idea they would go on to be rich etc. in that circumstance Woz was from a well off family and Steve jobs parents were working class. It’s understandable why he skimmed some off the top. And after all he got the gig. 🤷♂️
Steve Jobs' FBI file confirms he was a jerk, drug user, and poor student. Wikileaks provided documents that show he got aids, which probably killed him.
And now apple asks kids to mine lithium and workers to work long hours for measly amounts while charging fortunes for stupid products. And people keep buying.
@@hardikpande6970 And I'll keep buying apple products, because they're amazing (especially after their switch to apple silicon) I traded my high end PC for a MacBook Pro this year because it's so much better. Every big company has an evil side, there's no escaping it.
@@hardikpande6970 But why are you singling out Jobs as if he's especially bad or something? Apple isn't the only company doing business in China and other developing countries. It is a SYSTEMIC problem that needs addressing. To single out specific individuals you are just a hater.
you don't see the deception here ? clearly wozniak would've asked for more if he said he was paid 5K, on top of the jobs had the audacity to lie that he was only being paid 750, remember they were co-founders, wozniak wasn't just an employee, if the other guy was as scummy as jobs, you wouldn't have your iphones and macbooks
@@limbitsafe6620he doesn't want more, he's not uber rich like Jobs. But, remember Jobs died alone and broken while the Woz is still alive and enjoying it.
For sure its true, job was a awfull man, do tou think in china otherwise you eould have children working to build iphone ? Me me me, this was stefe, the selfishman jobs.. luckely he got one day the bills for it 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
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Original drop shipper
Every business are dropships
More like original outsourcer but I’m sure that was already a thing at the time so he’s just an outsourcer lol
@@TheAilmamain»t dropshipping if ypu never get the product yourself? (Like a cheap version of what all stores do)
Yoooo
Not dropshipping
But see? Steve Woz got to live longer and enjoyed the fruits of his labor than Steve Jobs. Life is still fair.
No one gives a shit about woz as much as Steve.
He wrote his name in the history and whenever people will talk about humanity people will remember Steve not woz. This is what becoming immoral look like.
Steve jobs is only good at marketing. Even at that we can have doubts. Steve Jobs is so stupid he had curable cancer and he decided to do stupid diets and stupid things like rock medicine no wonder he died
He really could have lived longer if he just got the surgery but hey egotistical people do be like that
But steve Jobs changed the world. Literally, everyone on the planet knows his name, but woz was just an engineer
Never knew woz existed if it wasn't because of knowing and loving and searching about steve Jobs
Sometimes, good people, die sooner
@@alh6099Woz is the brains behind Apple dude, most people know that 🤦🏻♂️
This guy read his biography.
That's literally every founder, they tell you that you're a part of it, you do most of the work, and they take most of the profits, simply for the sake of "I took the risk".
Unless you're the only employee, you didn't do most of the work. Also, the idea for the company, its strategy & management also counts. Not to mention the fact that they're the ones who started the company & thus created a source of employment for you and/or anyone else in that instant.
Also, no one's forcing anyone to take the job. Since you do most of the work, why not start your own company & take the lion share in proportion to your work. If founders' work is just a small part, which in turn means it's easier than "doing most of the work", why isn't everyone doing it? And why are those doing it failing most of the time (most startups fail within a few years)?
@@AkeruZikora you have no idea what you're talking about, I worked in a startup as an only employee (people started joining later) and trust me, I did more than starting a new company, how do I know ?
Because I just registered another company with the help of a friend where he's also doing a decent chunk of work and almost all of legal stuff and yet the profit is 50-50 because he knows he can't make the product without me.
Compliances and registrations are barely that difficult as I've done the standard one's and for the complicated one's you keep a company secratary.
Try to write a software from scratch, especially for an embedded system under that heavy constraints, and then talk to me,
@@AkeruZikora most startup fails because of mostly three reasons,
1. You don't know how to monitize your product
2. You don't know how to market your product.
3. Your employees which make the backbone of your company leave because of your greedy practices.
@@AdityaKumar-op5zcsteve did split the pay with woz but atari gave him a bonus
@@AkeruZikoraI'm going to copy this response and paste it every time I see this stupid remark being made. The most asinine thought process "Business owners are leeches"
Steve Jobs, what a good friend. If it was not for Wozniak, Apple would never have existed, because the Apple computer would never exist.
Steve Jobs was well known for being a jerk throughout his lifetime, I’m not surprised he was manipulative either.
I believe he was a psychopath.
@@Nicole19989it was because of his childhood.
The real "genius" is atari paying steve jobs knowing he doesn't know shit about making computers or programs.
Knows more than ur goofy Ahh ass
They knew he knew Woz
Doesn’t know shit? The media really make everyone hear what they wanna hear don’t they? Steve job have been making electronic hardware since he was 13. He just didnt get formal tech education
Bro forgot Apple made the Mac and MacOS 💀
@@pretty_boredbro forgot jobs didn't make the mac.
Who's here to say or confirm that it's true? But if it is, then that says a bit about how "some" people are in life. One of my favourite quotes in life is what Warren Buffett once said, "honesty is an expensive gift, don't expect it from cheap people."
from official Steve jobs biography by Isaacson
@@drbenirusani oh, okey.
Steve's boss from Atari confirmed it
Movie tells us that jobs wouldn't even pay for his daughter tuition since it was more than what the judge order but that amount was from before he was a millionaire and the tuition was when he was already super rich that tells u what kind of person he was
Most apple person ever
i’ve seen the movie too, but im not sure that was reason, I think he stood more on his principle and ego and was mad at the mother of his child not being appreciative for the house. But I could also be wrong
Like the Tesla eggplant. Breaking up with his first wife via text
@@annacarter6559are u talking about elon or the tesla founders, whats a tesla eggplant?
@@pieceofpaper7319 talking about Elon who is a huge throbbing eggplant 🍆
Podcast "behind the bastards" covers this dead beat dad best.
I read his biography and this story is told in that; except it wasn’t thousands. Steve had got a bonus from Atari of a few hundred bucks for getting the job done in a short space of time but allegedly didn’t tell Woz about it. Steve said he could never recall the incident but the manager from Atari confirmed.
Yes, typical behaviour for narcissists!
This is every CEO 😂
No wonder he tasted his own medicine, when another person manipulated him, and throw him out of his own company in the 80s.
Sound's like one of those guys would make a pretty savvy businessman!
Steve Jobs cultivated the image of being a genius while coasting off the ideas of others ... much like Elon Musk and Sam Levinson.
I disagree. The big difference between Steve Jobs and Elon Musk is: that Steve Jobs is realistic when he is visionary. He moves in the realms of the possible, and demands only what is possible. While Elon Musk claims and promises to do the impossible, and dont considers what is possible and what not. Yes, Elon Musks also shoves his dreams to engineers. But the difference is: he doesnt know whats possible. For instance: Hyperloop. He literally dreams without the feet on the ground. Steve Jobs never dreamed without feets on the ground. Steve Jobs never promised which wasnt there yet. Elon Musk says ''next year it will come''... Steve Jobs, as far i can tell, never did this. Every keynote of Jobs was a presentation of the product which is already there (iphone, ipad, itunes, ipod, etc).
Unfortunately people always compare Elon Musk to Steve Jobs.
Elon Musk used the void Steve Jobs left - and acted like he is the new Steve Jobs. Thats how he got so famous. In terms of products he did literally nothing besides the Tesla Car - which is not innovative - in no sense.
I think Jobs told lesser to not let him/ Woz too anxious.
without steve jobs, woz would still be giving his plans for free to be an ordinary person and more importantly, he would have never made history with jobs.
He was not a monster. But not too far from it either
Did you know him? Or are you judging based on hear say and what others said. All I know is he did a lot of good in his life including helping Woz as otherwise he would have just been another engineer.
Hello? It's what every business does in existence, or what we nowadays call flipping. Take a product or service and make a profit either by lowering its production cost or raising its price. The only objectionable thing here is Steve Jobs lying to his friend.
It's shown in the jOBS movie (2013)
Steve Jobs didn't bend reality for results he bent people
I read this in Steve jobs by Walter Isaacson ❤
Do not worry, karma is there at the end.
Woz was compensated well in the end
employer employee
There’s a lot of “business” folks like that. Some people in the business world have no morals. Because they talk louder, get preferential treatment for being attractive, and have the confidence to seize opportunities, they end up getting paid for something they barely worked for.
exactly
I think i heard this story somewhere else
$5000 (thousands)
Everything is marked up
My teacher said that Steve Jobs was in my middle school
Jobs was an manipulative , greedy man, great combination to achieve success in business.
Woz once said that he would’ve made it for free if Jobs asked for. Because he loved Jobs as a friend.
For Woz it wasn’t about money.
But still, steve jobs is the reason apple still exists
That was 5000 USD. Atari asked jobs to create the board within 50 chips, he will get 1000 USD more per chip if it's less than 50... woz created the board with 45 chips. So jobs got 5000 USD.
Steve Jobs and Wozniak weren’t paid 750 in total because Atari didn’t want to pay the full 5,000$ for their work on Breakout
We all know how all that turns out today
Jobs returned to Atari in early 1975, and that summer, Bushnell assigned him to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout in as few chips as possible, knowing that Jobs would recruit Wozniak for help. During his day job at HP, Wozniak drew sketches of the circuit design; at night, he joined Jobs at Atari and continued to refine the design, which Jobs implemented on a breadboard.[55] According to Bushnell, Atari offered $100 (equivalent to about $500 in 2022) for each TTL chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari engineers, within four days Wozniak reduced the TTL count to 45, far below the usual 100, though Atari later re-engineered it to make it easier to test and add a few missing features.[56] According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari paid them only $750 (instead of the actual $5,000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $375.[57] Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later but said that if Jobs had told him about it and explained that he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.
Where he get those close-ups?
Not Steven
He's an entrepreneur at heart :-) Ask Elon.
entrepeneur = soulless grifter who would use anyone as a stepping stone
@@aybaws you wouldn’t be CEO of a multiple trillion dollar company if you aren’t ruthless.
It’s part of the job description
Except Elon wants not just corporate power but political power than affect people’s lives through changing social policies (pro life, anti lgbtq …)
@@aybaws you forgot lying
that's a satanic move there..SJ must have been push by evil soul to create apple
@@aybawsHe made the impossible possible a few mistakes here and there so be it.
But woz got far much in the later half of his life for that from jobs
Woz was the reason why Apple I and Apple II were such hits. He basically built them ALL BY HIMSELF. There'd be no apple if not for Woz
@@aviralsharma2005it’s not about who built it, it’s about who sold it. Doesn’t how great your product is if you cannot sell it to anyone and that’s what Jobs was so good at and his influence still exists to this day.
And where did you hear this crazy story?
Steven Jobs. looool😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
He was paid a particular amount of money for every microprocessor less than 50 he uses. And he didn’t told this to steve wosniak
He had used that money to complete apple 2 in his garrage before actual investors show up to build the company
$5000
3500
source?
official Steve jobs biography by Isaacson
He probably ended up using the money for something good
The gifted have seen beyond the dark Void into Tesla's mind and hear Steve Jobs from the other side. We walk in the future no people just buildings no life.
Wrong story, it was 5000$ project and he only paid him 700$ not 350
His autobiography, if you count the pages that are written and unwritten, are a grand total of 666 pages.
The first computer was sold for $ 666.66. The logo they used in their advertisement, which was an apple logo made from @ signs had 336 @ signs.
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Yes
And?
Yeah the other part is that Woz already came from a rich family of engineers in Silicon Valley. Steve jobs was basically much poorer. So I think this is smart. Until woz found out he knew nothing of it!
Woz never cared about the money. He even gave his shares away later. The point remains, it's not about the money but integrity and principles. As much as I like Jobs, he failed in this particular instance.
@@aviralsharma2005 I disagree. Woz was subcontracted. I understood considering the situation. Jobs or Woz had no idea they would go on to be rich etc. in that circumstance Woz was from a well off family and Steve jobs parents were working class. It’s understandable why he skimmed some off the top. And after all he got the gig. 🤷♂️
Steve Jobs' FBI file confirms he was a jerk, drug user, and poor student. Wikileaks provided documents that show he got aids, which probably killed him.
And now apple asks kids to mine lithium and workers to work long hours for measly amounts while charging fortunes for stupid products. And people keep buying.
Like other brands tell their CEO to mine lithium
@@AkshayPallikkara apple is the biggest tech company out there. So it has to be heckled. I know fanbois will not like this but it has to be done.
@@hardikpande6970 And I'll keep buying apple products, because they're amazing (especially after their switch to apple silicon) I traded my high end PC for a MacBook Pro this year because it's so much better. Every big company has an evil side, there's no escaping it.
@@hardikpande6970 But why are you singling out Jobs as if he's especially bad or something?
Apple isn't the only company doing business in China and other developing countries.
It is a SYSTEMIC problem that needs addressing.
To single out specific individuals you are just a hater.
Say whatever you want about Apple, you cannot say their employees are underpaid.
Wohoo that’s business baby
Why is that dark side? Most people do that. Come on be honest to yourself.
idk..like...this is capitalism in the nutshell isn't it? xd
Who cares?...
I don't see anything wrong about it
you don't see the deception here ? clearly wozniak would've asked for more if he said he was paid 5K, on top of the jobs had the audacity to lie that he was only being paid 750,
remember they were co-founders, wozniak wasn't just an employee,
if the other guy was as scummy as jobs, you wouldn't have your iphones and macbooks
Tells everything about your character
I think Woz still made out pretty good working with Steve
Steve Wozniak is worth more than $140 million, he got taken care of in the end so don’t feel bad for him whatsoever
but he still did the hard work... he isn't suffering for sure but he deserved more
@@limbitsafe6620he doesn't want more, he's not uber rich like Jobs. But, remember Jobs died alone and broken while the Woz is still alive and enjoying it.
@@gfuah1499 desire vs deserved, more money in a good persons hands would mean it would've been better spent lol
For sure its true, job was a awfull man, do tou think in china otherwise you eould have children working to build iphone ? Me me me, this was stefe, the selfishman jobs.. luckely he got one day the bills for it 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
He used the resource to innovate
His death sucked so I guess that was karma