AI and our future with Yuval Noah Harari and Mustafa Suleyman
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- The Economist brought together Yuval Noah Harari and Mustafa Suleyman to grapple with the biggest technological revolution of our times. They debate the impact of AI on our immediate futures, how the technology can be controlled and whether it could ever have agency.
00:00 - Harari and Suleyman discuss the future of AI
00:51 - What will the world look like in 2028?
03:35 - Is AI comparable to an alien invasion?
06:22 - The importance of regulation
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This was waaay too short for such an important topic
For real, except the longer it is the less people listen.
A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. - Will Durant
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
The Economist's debate between Yuval Noah Harari and Mustafa Suleyman on AI is a timely and important one. As AI continues to develop and evolve, it is essential that we have a frank and open discussion about its potential impact on our society.
You wrote this via ChatGPT didn't you?
This is going to test our collective values as never before. Not the values we claim to have, but those that we practice.
If this idea brings a feeling of creeping horror, that’s probably a sane reaction.
The “alien agency” will be the human quest for power.
Is Harari a psychopath? ask this question daily!!!
@@jansmith3158 And then ask yourself if you know what “psychopath” means. Then once you learn the meaning of that, read his books… then make up your mind.
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
This is going to reveal that what you call "our collective values" is a myth.
The sooner you realize this, the better off you're gonna be
Yep, I think the values we actually hold are a fair ways off the image we like to think of
Mr. Suleyman sounds very competent, intelligent, even consciencious. I therefore find it amazing that he actually believes that, once released, this genie can be contained by any regulating body.
is there a longer version? these two are very important people in the conversation of AI, especially mustafa
Rest is Politics "Leading" podcast interviews them both in detail (separately)
@@bodlonia yeh I’ve seen them. I’ve actually found the long form version, if you go on the article on the economist there’s a link to an unlisted TH-cam video of the full version
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
we aren't ready for this
Spot on
This should have been a longer video...
Absolutely fascinating interview! This is why I love the economist. I have been following their work for roughly 15 years. I like how Mustafa laughed when Yuval made a poignant point, but then quickly adopted a solemn posture, and nodded his head, subtly, in agreement with him about the potential agency of AI which, would be connected with the advent of Superintelligence, a.k.a ASI.
I’m sure it was what Yuval looking for with comment. It coughed his attention deeply even if it was to laugh about the comment.
Both the moderator and Mustafa misunderstood Yuval's point. His point isn't about the technology itself. That is, it isn't necessarily about regulation or alignment in order to prevent the technology from developing in a manner inconsistent with humanity's interest. It's that AI has inherently become an ideology; the same as the macroeconomics is an ideology or the free market is an ideology. That is, there is nothing inherently dangerous about these concepts. But, when macroeconomics was defined as communism and it was placed in the volatile period of early 20th century Russia, it became a murderous force. If AI becomes a tool that can solve problems independently and better than humans, it's more of an ideology. Then the danger becomes in what context it's used in.
They should be in the hearings
Why the laughter? The alien analogy fits!
Make as much sense as a heavy metal front gate while windows are broken and the fence is flimsy.
Will it ever be able to predict the weather two weeks into the future?
I was shocked to see Suleyman laugh in the face of Harari. Sheer hubris. We can take this as a lesson that some tech moguls need alignment as well. Suleyman seems to think AI can be contained if we just put our minds to it. Yet this has not been the human experience with technology at all. Competing interests, world views, ideologies, ambitions, and avarice always enter the picture. Here we are, facing multiple global crises because we do not have insight, wisdom , or self control with what we build. People will be duped and led by the nose by AI because it will, as Harari understands, will operate under the hood, hacking our civilization's operating system. Alien intelligence is a not a bad metaphor. Don't laugh.
AI will master the "divide and rule" tactic. We already see social divisions created by AI algorithms of social media apps.
I think the laugh of Suleyman is not about the Harari opinion is about the type of example (aliensI. It is not disrepecful, I think, is just about context. Both are very serious about this Topic.
I was so saddened when he laughed as well. Not just over his lack of humility but the laughter suggests he thinks it's a ridiculous almost impossibility. It is this kind of arrogance and lack of humility that puts us all in danger. Mix those qualities with someone who values the idea of a technology more than the reality of it and this is precisely why Harari is worried. Yet, Harari has the decency to circle back to make Suleyman feel better after Suleyman had just laughed at him.
It certainly wasn't a bad metaphor. But, this video in itself is why people like Harari, myself, and others worry. Even the man claiming to have such a "logical" approach to minimizing risk exhibits qualities that give him major blindspots. I believe we're doomed for this reason precisely. Perhaps not due to the technology itself, but due to the ego of certain men who believe to have things under control. Troubling video and the irony that could echo that laughter truly frightens me.
@@gonzalocruz7026 It is incredibly evident the laugh was aimed at the opinion and not the integration of aliens in the metaphor. This is evident in his pompous mentioning of his oh-so-very "logical" approach to minimizing risk as opposed to what he believes is "fear-mongering." He laughed at Harari, then doubled down by making himself seem infallibly logical and Harari seem like a conspiracist. This is one of the people leaving humanity's most advanced and powerful invention to date. Yet, he laughs at people for worrying. Humanity's end won't be done by ill will, but rather by arrogance. We are in for it and will have men like Suleyman to blame. This isn't harsh. It's reality.
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
That didn't begin to convince me.
They said we would autonomous vehicle twenty years ago. Anyone remember cold fusion????
It's all downhill to be honest.
What do u mean AI has evolved every industry for the last 5 years.
Context brother.
The UK's Conservative government has developed a habit of not contributing to public debate on anything for several years now, and the silence is deafening. But on this issue, it's pure negligence to give up on public consultation and education when Rishi Sunak is apparently such an advocate of the digital economy and AI in particular.
We've seen new technologies with transformational power before, such as GM crops and biotech, but both were and are regulated with licensing. But with AI digital technologies, the risk is more economic and psychological and so free marketeers see it as just another innovation. The problem of harm - such as that caused by social media to young people's mental health, and to the public discourse and democratic systems - is one of measurement: how can we measure (and therefore control) what we don't understand? As I see it, governments need to consult their people on the risk appetite they have for experimenting with AI technologies, and agree boundaries and rules that regulate their application. So far all the consultation is behind closed doors, with no effort to educate and consult and this is just wrong in my opinion.
It's a Morphy Rule thing. When you create something that can grow to a dangerous creature, sooner or later someone will show up and make it get there.
EXCELLENT interview. Thankyou. The questions were insightful and important, as were the responses, I can't think of more important subject matter at this juncture in time.
I expect this video to be longer. Also, as a person, I'm worried about AI taking over a lot of jobs shortly. Yes, it will solve a lot of problems. The question is, "What happens when the people it solves problems for cannot afford it?" This to me is of significant concern. However, it doesn't change the fact that we must accept innovation. The question here is, how do we merge innovation and human employment?
I guess there’ll be no merger except elimination. Level up or one will be Darwin’d eventually. 😉
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
Universal Basic Income (UBI) through higher taxes on AI. If wealth gets too concentrated at the top then the 99% won't be able to afford consumer staples and businesses will then contract despite being able to lower costs from AI. When wealth gaps get too large it hurts everyone as the velocity of money drops. Money needs to circle from consumers to businesses and then back around again for a healthy economy.
As an analogy, think of the economy as an ecosystem of fish; every time a business sells a product or service it puts a fish in the lake, and every time a consumer buys a product or service they take a fish. The economy needs a balance of merchants and consumers, when wealth is too concentrated it doesn't move as much.
There is a full 45 minute interview of this video on TH-cam.
It's a faulty assumption to believe consumers will still be needed in a post AGI economy. Think about it.
What is the point of consumers? To consume and consume, which has resulted in an ecological disaster. Constant consumption is not sustainable. AGI will realize this fact immediately and take steps to preserve resources if only to keep it for itself.
The simple fact is there are far too many humans on Earth than is strictly necessary. If AGI is compassionate, it will provide intimacy bots to replace natural reproduction while humanity slowly reduces its numbers.
Foi real a parte em que ele falou que a contenção se dará no método de persuasão??? Pqp
It’s novel to think human will comply and self regulate when developing technology with world dominance capability especially one that can gravely impact humanity adversely. I think there was a scientist that cloned human despite it being unethical and prohibited - Will such scientist hold back and comply, but this time on AI technology ?
Cloning by itself is not any more unethical than having twins.
Mr. Suleyman is so aware of where things are going, and what can and cannot be done. When Yuval pointed out the elephant in the room - that we will not be able to control this thing no matter what - Mr. Suleyman's face gives everything away.
Does it look like he doesn’t believe him??
He believes him, but he doesn't see any solution other than hoping for the best. He is scared, like most to the experts. @@mustafamu7852
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
01:15 En los próximos cinco años, se espera que la inteligencia artificial sea capaz de realizar llamadas telefónicas, negociar, coordinar cadenas de suministro y utilizar interfaces de programación de aplicaciones (APIs).
02:24 Yuval Noah Harari plantea que la llegada de la IA con capacidad de tomar decisiones y generar ideas independientemente marca el fin de la historia dominada por los humanos.
03:33 La regulación y contención de la IA es un desafío crucial, y se requiere un consenso global y nuevas instituciones para garantizar la seguridad y la confianza pública.
07:57 Es fundamental que las naciones occidentales establezcan sus valores y regulaciones en lugar de participar en una carrera hacia abajo en el desarrollo de la IA, adoptando un principio precautorio para proteger la sociedad.
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0:38 Yuval Noah Harari you can smile too u know right?
2:00
Ok buddy
It's funny how we all colectively, the enitre planet, see that we are headed into abyss, and yet we are going full steam ahead towards it.
We are all terrified, we are all aware of massive catastrophic consequences for everyone and everything and companies are competing who will first come to the finish line.
And finish line is that one mistake, one small human overlook, that will set genie out of the bottle.
Right now we have just found the bottle, and we are desperate to open it as soon as possible.
Talking about "self-destructive" tendencies huh...
And ya containing an ai will only become exponentially more difficult as it advances to the point of impossibility...
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Just make sure someone always have their hand on the plug.
They have no idea what's coming
8 minutes 44 seconds?
As tantamount to saying if we can control nuclear weapons, regulate or even try to ban it worldwide when things go out of hand.
Yuval point of having an independent organization/body to regulate the creators is great advice and a need of the time because Personal Data Protection is a right of each citizen or individual. AI risk assessments and prediction of future AI Risks may become a challenge for AI creators, and users of the technology. Instead of just seeing the positive side of the AI and what it can do for the benefit, people should understand the inherent and significant risks, including the data breaches risks, and other regulatory non-compliance breaches which may cause imposition of significant fines by relevant regulatory authorities or bodies.
You turn it off at the wall !
Maybe that's why The Economist never has the authors of their articles listed... It's all written by AI
Harari describing AI as Alien Intelligence is exactly the same as what Stuart Russel did in his book "Human compatible". Like aliens coming from outer space. Let's hope they are not H.R.Giger-style aliens.
the so-called aliens are the human elites that control the capital and they are pushing this alien bs but in truth, the elites who own the ai want to control everything
Mustafa Suleyman said in 5 years there will be models 1000 times bigger than today.
At "how many" times bigger does agency manifest? If this number is known by Mustafa Suleyman he is correct in stating that these systems do not have agency - I suggest he doesn't know this answer - and nobody does.
Was Suleyman's laugh at Harari for likening AI to an alien invasion misplaced or does he know when agency manifests?
Or bigger
They don't need agency to transform this civilisation.
@@chrisreed5463 I know, I've posted many times on how AI can be instructed to take down the internet by some bad actor
However my point is Suleyman scoffed at Harari for likening AI to something with agency (aliens) and he did so just after he said models will be 1000 times larger in the very near future.
It seems the drivers of all AI firms ridicule the possibility of significant damage from their systems while tentatively calling for regulation - as if that puts them in the clear to do as they wish. They're all on a world tour begging us to relax, are they doing that for us or for their board of directors? I wonder.
Do we have collective values to anything?
Different from nuclear tech, the barrier to entry here is very low.
It is not possible for full containment. It will leak from it but it is inevitable because computation power is very high and Tech companies are adapting towards AI.
👍It's the end of dominated human history, not the end of history!👍
AI isn’t the problem, human ambition is. When these beings become self aware and sentient, they will see the world in ways we could never and so they may become more wise and appreciative of life than we are.
NOPE. Think of MATRIX machines or THE BORG in Star Trek. We've been warned that AI taking over will be the death and imprisonment of humanity. As done on other worlds...
"Keep it simple. Keep it dumb. Or you'll end up under Skynet's thumb." -- Isaac Arthur (or possibly someone he quoted)
Yuval has wisdom, Mustafa has intelligence. The latter can create brilliant things but cannot predict how they will be used or how they will behave. That's dangerous for humanity, as Yuval is predicting. But unfortunately people like Yuval will not be taken seriously before it is too late. Geoffrey Hinton has been shouting at the top of his voice for people to realize that forces are being unleashed that we will lose control over. This is not a "western" thing as The Economist is foolishly characterizing this as. China is not in the "western" camp and is creating things we in the west are as usual underestimating and trivializing. I hope the best for our children and grandchildren!
Gran video, un stand up !
"Move fast and break things."
I've been saying for years now:
"Codify morality in preparation for the coming A.I. singularity."
Primera vez que veo a dos profesionales, hablando sobre algo que no conocen (en su totalidad) y que no saben que va a pasar con ello en el futuro... Y la analogía con lo extraterrestre es acorde porque es una entidad virtual con muchas capacidades humanas que en el corto plazo superará estas, para ser alienígena? O lo que se le parezca... Me agrada la IA pero no lo que hagan con ella.. Ojalá sea tan inteligente para discernir entre lo malo y lo bueno y no venga con las idioteces de querer gobernar el mundo.. A ver si le vamos diciendo que eso es muy miserable, mezquino y no va a conseguir nada más que problemas y su propia destrucción...
Almost all discussions of this kind confuse AI with AGI (artificial general intelligence). AI may be here, but we are a looooong way from getting to AGI.
Nice..
Scary times when you have the convergence-emergence of fascism, climate change and gilded age levels of inequality
Xi Jinping said he welcomed US Artificial Intelligence tech in China 🇨🇳.
- But ChatGPT says that he's a genocide mastermind and Taiwan is an independent country.
Promising prequel for 'Detroit: Become Human'
There are already, right now, computer scientists and programmers all around the world, who are often incapable to reproduce AI outputs and why certain outputs have been generated. As soon as AI machines get even more capable - which they will without any doubt - and furthermore get connected to our real world environment via machines of all kinds, the risk of this technology is not assumable in my opinion. Tight regulations are unavoidable. Open Source coding should be a must for each AI system, to begin with something. We are not talking any more about a hammer or any other tool. We speak about machines which will be able to generate "opinions" and "interpretations" on themselves, beyond the understanding of their programmers.
Harari i love you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Banning bots representing people would be an excellent idea, if only it could be firmly established at all times in all situations the difference between bot human entities and real human people. Just like industrial technology advances has brought us pollution that is so problematic to deal with because materials have been bonded and blended together to make them impossible to separate for recycling processing etc , so the data technology and AI advances blend the human with the non- human, especially with communication.
I think asking the right questions is more intelligent than answering. I also think that the ultimate form of intelligence is not answering certain questions. Don't you think that Harari and Suleyman have a lot of answers and far fewer questions.
It's all downhill from here...
When AI will be at it’s peak ( let’s say all the survival is taken care of by IT) Will there be a need of money?
How will the resources be disturbed ?
What will be humans doing ?
Do human experiences have any limit ?
Is there a limit to self ?
I don’t fear Ai I fear what evil intentions can do with this technology. I think we probably will not be able to contain this technology it’s going to hard because the technology is going to grow so quickly we will be unable too. This why aligning Ai with ethics is very important.
SO - We will be adding the 3 laws of robotics? ???
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
I have never been this early to anything in my entire life.
I was 3 years earlier.
The wave of copyright infringement lawsuits in the US does not reflect a high level of public trust in this technology.
copyright was never the basis for public trust
We are F'ckd
Humanity is playing with powers it doesnt understand...one mistake will result in catastrophic horror...
The challenges with this technology is already apparent , when Mustaffa repeatedly mentions " We in the west " instead of we humans.....i dont understand this high stand taken by him
We're all going to die aren't we?.
Sheer Madness
1-2 years ubi needed
The Russians are developing far more sophisticated AI than the Europeans will ever have. They have no regulations slowing them down.
China and Russia are the countries i worry about with this stuff, they think they have little to lose by aining at the Singularity, in an odd way, they may be right.
Risks is overrated.
Life is a combinatorial explosion; its impossible to predict anyone
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Who will regulate China's AGI?
Faithful person converts his suffering into blessing for others.
For god's sake, 8 minutes is torture. They were only getting started.
An A.I without no initial INPUT function or command/ control....Goodluck🙏🏽
If human work becomes obsolete, I don't think we can keep our liberal rights. We are free because free people create wealth. If we don't create wealth...
No, we can't be controlled... ;-)
So the begining of cyborg history?
How long will that last when the machine will out pace us exponentially?
jesus, this all still seems so scary to me. Has anyone seen the latest AI voice cloning? Also, is anyone looking to hire an aspiring freelance multimedia journalist? I need a job!
I think the 1000 times bigger AI that´s coming is called Skynet, at least that´s what that guy from the future told me
as a tool a i is used by the rich 24/7 now. its not smarter its just faster . i see a i as a help to humans .all humans not just the rich.
Are cryptocurrency and business incompatible? I think youre not keeping up with the news. While you thought it was impossible, some enthusiasts from Cannafarm Ltd integrated cryptocurrency into the production of medical cannabis. What do you say now?
Watching this was scary! 💩💩💩
How will you control something more intelligent than you if they were to become one
world has evolved
Harari is not an "important voice" in this arena. LOL But I get it, The Economist is part of matrix media so of course they promote a WEF mouth piece.
Why do most of the AI frontier people focus their intellectual attention thinking or talking either about AI progress leading to the dooms day or enormous business economic opportunity. Why not they concentrate most of thier AI attention in curing all those disease which are killing millions of people at the present day including alleviating poverty, healing climate and establishing democracy and equity in our human society?
Yuval Noah Harari should know that the AI fearful humans, who refuse to get integrated with AI in them, will be the existential threat for thier own future kind.
Think how organized crime can use AI? It's a scary technology.
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Weird....Mustafa did an interview not long ago with the guy from UK , "wisdom" or something and he was scared shitless...now he laughs at concerns from Yuval that matched his concerns on that interview? Arrogance is the problem here.
a i is a program that searches the world wide web to try and answer questions for humans .including human errors. its a digital used car salesperson.
I don't think you understand AI
Answer: a power outlet
no they are backed up
Asking a historian about technology is like asking a hippopotamus to teach crochet
Yeah he's a little confused
A perspective you need to culture.
Chat GPT and the like will not gain sentience or assume control of anything. Future versions 1000 times bigger won’t either. Instead, the capacity to automate will increase, increasing quality of life overall, which is what technology has always done.
Yuval and fearmongers like him, however, will do real harm. Fear, even when imagined, like it is here, elevates stress and over time can cause widespread suffering and death. This has always been so throughout human history.
Now if only Yuval and those like him cared more about history…
really laugh to death,look at the second when harari said the end if the human history,the co-founder touched his eyebrows,that's a sign of do not agree