I live in the Netherlands and for my dutch class I had to do a report on Dutch literature. I wasn't paying attention and the deadline was in a few days. I didn't even pick a book to do my report on, so I looked on a list and saw that the golden egg only had around 94 pages so I read it and it was surprisingly good. Really liked the concept and themes.
I saw the original without it the ending being spoiled and was shocked. Like when I saw the end of The Wicker Man from the 70s the first time. I can’t imagine either film with a happy ending and they shouldn’t have them.
The Dutch version is so perfect & haunting that I still remember it decades after first watching it. Fortunate is is available on TH-cam as some years ago in the UK a TV station advertised "The Vanishing" in its schedule only for me to discover it was the awful Hollywood remake. British TV Critic Mark Kermode described the original in his review of both adaptations. The Dutch 1988 version he described as "The Banality of Evil"; the 1993 version as "The Evil of Banality". Sums them up perfectly.
I’m from the Netherlands, and i’ve read the book “The Golden Egg” in high school for my booklist. I’ve seen both film versions of the book, and “Spoorloos” (1988) is in my personal top 10 of favorite movies of all time. I’ve also donated through crowdfunding to finish the movie “Dark Blood” with River Phoenix, and for the Dutch documentary “Sluizer Speaks”, which hasn’t had a wide release. According to George Sluizer, what happened was that the film company (20th Century Fox) wasn’t happy with the original ending, and demanded a different ending to please American audiences. It was the time that Rupert Murdoch was the big boss of Fox, and he started working with memos which said what people could or could not do or say on TV. So Sluizer took his loss and made the movie anyway. It was never his decision to change the ending. Cheers.
The rewritten ending in the remake is completely perplexing. I want to believe it was studio interference rather than a willing choice by Sluizer, but maybe I'm being too kind. (Love these videos by the way. Please do more!)
Loved the original, I avoided the remake when I heard about the new ending. But wow, can't believe how bad Jeff Bridges is in it. What was he thinking.
@@sasazivanovic777 French actor was really good, but Jeff was really bad...He is one of my favorite actors, but in this film he simply is not good, out of track, and not aligned, I don't know how to explain why he is so bad in that role. Maybe it is wrong casting, putting him in that role, I am not sure, but I can't think of a film where he is so bad. But that can happen even to the best actors.
I love the original. Its a masterpiece. So i went into the remake knowing it couldnt possibly hold up. I heard the ending was sanitized and immediately knew that meant the boyfriend would be saved some how. But what i thought would happen was (which i think would have worked so much better) the daughter or wife some how stumble upon something, or catching him in the act or w.e. But i was sure the ending would tie back into the killers wife and daughters finding out the truth. But instead we got the literal last minute superhero ending. Im amazed the same director did this to his own work. And a dumb american audience is not to blame. Only a hack takes his masterwork and screws with it like that. Im almost insulted for Sluizer. I just watched it and totally forgot Sandra Bullock was in it, which isnt the type of VANISHING the director was going for i dont think. In the original i was shocked that we never see her again. SHOCKED. Like people who saw Psycho in theaters.
Spoorloos is subtle, disturbing, terrifying, mercilessly tense, and the ending just seals it, never releasing that tension, leaving you wondering and upset. The remake is none of those things, it is obvious and bone headed, and the ending leaves you laughing at its banal absurdity.
I think what other countries see, like our political drama makes them think us dumb. Many of us like difficult cinema, but we are fed boring reality shows. You really have to seek out intelligent media in America. We don’t show opera or ballet on regular prime time TV.
I went to a dinner party in 1994 and George Sluizer was one of the guests. My friend Tony asked him if he'd seen the US remake and that he'd heard it was terrible . That was a moment.
Spoorloos is vastly superior even if it would have been shot for shot & kept the original ending in the remake it STILL wouldn’t be close. With that said I still enjoy The Vanishing as a nostalgic popcorn flick which would introduce me to the original through the back of the blockbuster review on the case
Some of us were 17 when it came out in 93’…it’s a no brainer Sandra was our girl, this will always be great, but then again i JUST learned of this version looking to watch the old one…and now i’ll watch the Dutch version , it’s ok i know how it ends…
This is like comparing The Wicker Man (1973) to the remake. It's like shooting fish in a barrel! I have to say, I really thought the actress who played Saskia in the original Spoorloos was lovely (and charming, yes). I really felt horrified at what her character had been put through. Also, at least the 2006 Wicker Man didn't change the ending, it just turned up the hysteria to hi-octane levels. The Vanishing 1993 version had the same bloody director as the original.Was it the execs at Fox Studios' fault? At least things turned around two years later with the devastatingly bleak Se7en (1995).
Saw them both ages ago, don't remember much about the original now, but I preferred the remake. I loved the actors in the remake more than any of the actors in the original.
Show this movie to your kids to make them think twice about leaving with strangers. Scared the piss out of me as a kid thats for damn sure, all strangers were potential "Barneys" to me after this.
Is it a real question ? I saw both movies and decades later, Spoorloos still fuels my thoughts about mankind. I barely remember its remake. (beside, I like Bernard-Pierre Donnadieu).
I know everyone here will hate me for saying this, but I quite enjoyed the remake. I liked the overly dramatic tone and laughably predictable happy ending even. I can't say it is a better film overall than the original of course, but I quite enjoyed it all the same. I view the films as two entirely different genres with different messages and personalities, just wearing similar plot lines. I like them both equally but they really don't compare to one another.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, maaaan..." Maybe he wanted to safeguard the integrity of the original as the standard. Or gave it enough 'Camembert' as a finger to the commercial US 'mooooovie' industry. Or maybe he was pushed in the 'happy ending' direction by Producers/Fox.
It's not really happy, Jeff offs himself in the weeks after his lucky rescue after realizing Diane's facial skin was receiving really odd "beauty treatments"...
I saw this movie on TH-cam many Times.it hit me so much that i went back to see it agaîn.anyway i heard that one in four people are like him but they dont réact to it.anyway when hé puts thé spiders in thé drawer was m’y freak out
I need to know how Keifer Shutherland got the key back to return home when Diane had taken it into the gas station when she left the car How was it recovered??
The original is a masterpiece, for many reasons. I’ve not watched the remake but after watching this I certainly don’t need to! It appears to be the epitome of ‘missing the point’. What is wrong with Hollywood?..
I though he was buried in the same coffin as Saskia and soon he will feel the remains of his friend in that coffin. That would have given him closure, at the cost of his life.
I am a film fanatic and love all sorts of films including international films. I am usually partial to the originals. However, I like the 1993 version better. I saw it when it was released and could not get over the beauty of Sandra Bullock. She is the key to the movie and why the viewer is emotionally involved. Sure enough, she would reach stardom not long after with speed.
spoorloos is perfect..dont think about current technology etc..its totally effect in 80's and you re feeling so much nervous without violence...even spoorloos means : without trace in dutch ..
I really enjoyed both films for what they both offer. I think the remake was changed as to give the audience a new experience. the original had already been made and the difference was needed to give it it's reason to exists. An exact copy wouldn't be desirable to artists and audiences. The changes also make them better. Nancy Travis was great in it. Kiefer delivered a solid performance. I think most people underestimate Bridges take on the character. I found him realistic and disturbing.
I respectfully disagree. The remake didn’t hold anything original. It had the typical American ending, good prevails over evil, the hero walks off into the sunset with his love. Yawn. There was the usual over explaining and dramatic music as well. I would have preferred the same ending, because it was the ending that made the film so amazing, like suddenly all the pieces come together in that final moment and it’s like a kick to the stomach. It’s that dark and bleak ending that made the film so memorable.
The remake is awesome. Hacked up is laughable at best. Jeff Bridges is creepy fantastic! Kiefer Sutherland and the beautiful Sandra Bullock had good chemistry. My favorite Nancy Travis as Rita. She really takes the Bill by the horns in the remake. The end wrapped up is sweet and salty. Sad=the life lost happy=because he has finally moved on. I dig it.
The American Version is SUPERERIOR to the Original in every way. I heard from reviewers like this guy Say, Oh You have to watch the original! It's so much better". Yea...IT WASN'T.😂 It was low grade, bad camera angles, mediocre acting. The only thing it has going for it was the, I guess realism of the end. Which obviously Hollywood understands audiences don't particularly like the bad guy winning at the end. I can get that, in an artistic idea of truth in a bubble, but that's a short straw to hold onto😂. Originals are usually the Better Versions, but sadly not in this.
I actually like both versions. I feel like the remake effectively creates a brooding, isolated atmosphere, where it seems like characters are constantly on the outskirts of civilization, surrounded by vast stretches of highway and forest. The original had that as well, but I feel like it is a little more effective in the remake. I also think that the girlfriend is an interesting addition, in that she isn't an entirely positive presence; in a sense, she's a counterpoint to Barney in a malignant way; both are in a sense, fighting for control of Jeff. Barney controls him through Jeff's desire to know, whereas Rita's need to have Jeff for herself creates a counterpull. She's not entirely sympathetic to Jeff's situation and seems to never get over her jealousy regarding Diane. In the finale, we see that she can, in fact, be just as ruthless as Barney himself. If the original is about a man consumed by the desire to know what happened, I think the remake is, in a sense, about a man struggling for individuality, locked between two personalities that seek to control and dominate him.
I respect the director for at least not making a copy of his original. If you prefer a bleak outlook watch the Dutch original. Two different films with two wholly separate identities made on different continents
I agree, absolutely. It is more interesting to have these two different versions that you can compare and contrast. Reminds me of The Chocolate War movie as opposed to the book. The movie diverges from the book in its ending, leading some to feel it betrayed its source material. But I think it is more interesting to see two different possibilities for the same sets of characters, instead of seeing the exact same scenario reenacted.
I live in the Netherlands and for my dutch class I had to do a report on Dutch literature. I wasn't paying attention and the deadline was in a few days. I didn't even pick a book to do my report on, so I looked on a list and saw that the golden egg only had around 94 pages so I read it and it was surprisingly good. Really liked the concept and themes.
I saw the original without it the ending being spoiled and was shocked. Like when I saw the end of The Wicker Man from the 70s the first time. I can’t imagine either film with a happy ending and they shouldn’t have them.
The Dutch version is so perfect & haunting that I still remember it decades after first watching it. Fortunate is is available on TH-cam as some years ago in the UK a TV station advertised "The Vanishing" in its schedule only for me to discover it was the awful Hollywood remake. British TV Critic Mark Kermode described the original in his review of both adaptations. The Dutch 1988 version he described as "The Banality of Evil"; the 1993 version as "The Evil of Banality". Sums them up perfectly.
I’m from the Netherlands, and i’ve read the book “The Golden Egg” in high school for my booklist. I’ve seen both film versions of the book, and “Spoorloos” (1988) is in my personal top 10 of favorite movies of all time.
I’ve also donated through crowdfunding to finish the movie “Dark Blood” with River Phoenix, and for the Dutch documentary “Sluizer Speaks”, which hasn’t had a wide release.
According to George Sluizer, what happened was that the film company (20th Century Fox) wasn’t happy with the original ending, and demanded a different ending to please American audiences. It was the time that Rupert Murdoch was the big boss of Fox, and he started working with memos which said what people could or could not do or say on TV.
So Sluizer took his loss and made the movie anyway. It was never his decision to change the ending.
Cheers.
The rewritten ending in the remake is completely perplexing. I want to believe it was studio interference rather than a willing choice by Sluizer, but maybe I'm being too kind.
(Love these videos by the way. Please do more!)
I really wanted to believe that too... and thank you, that's the plan!
Loved the original, I avoided the remake when I heard about the new ending. But wow, can't believe how bad Jeff Bridges is in it. What was he thinking.
I LOVE Jeff Bridges. But simply cannot argue with you here.
Its not like Jeff.B was so bad, it's more that the french Actor's was just briliant!!! And the Villian was soo scary in the original version.
@@sasazivanovic777 French actor was really good, but Jeff was really bad...He is one of my favorite actors, but in this film he simply is not good, out of track, and not aligned, I don't know how to explain why he is so bad in that role. Maybe it is wrong casting, putting him in that role, I am not sure, but I can't think of a film where he is so bad. But that can happen even to the best actors.
Yeah. It was a curiously lukewarm performance. But maybe that was how he was directed.
I love the original. Its a masterpiece. So i went into the remake knowing it couldnt possibly hold up. I heard the ending was sanitized and immediately knew that meant the boyfriend would be saved some how. But what i thought would happen was (which i think would have worked so much better) the daughter or wife some how stumble upon something, or catching him in the act or w.e. But i was sure the ending would tie back into the killers wife and daughters finding out the truth. But instead we got the literal last minute superhero ending. Im amazed the same director did this to his own work. And a dumb american audience is not to blame. Only a hack takes his masterwork and screws with it like that. Im almost insulted for Sluizer. I just watched it and totally forgot Sandra Bullock was in it, which isnt the type of VANISHING the director was going for i dont think. In the original i was shocked that we never see her again. SHOCKED. Like people who saw Psycho in theaters.
What's MORE shocking is the types of facials Sandra Bullock gets...
Most Americans are simple minded. Can't have a story that doesn't make them feel good plus they are so dumbed down by media.
Spoorloos is subtle, disturbing, terrifying, mercilessly tense, and the ending just seals it, never releasing that tension, leaving you wondering and upset.
The remake is none of those things, it is obvious and bone headed, and the ending leaves you laughing at its banal absurdity.
America is such a big country. Certainly, some of us aren’t intelligent, but I wish we weren’t totally underestimated when it comes to art.
Agree, it's really sad when the producers have already assumed the worst and act accordingly - especially for a story like this.
I think what other countries see, like our political drama makes them think us dumb. Many of us like difficult cinema, but we are fed boring reality shows. You really have to seek out intelligent media in America. We don’t show opera or ballet on regular prime time TV.
It's what sells. People vote with their wallets
the original is truly one of the most terrifying movie i've ever seen... (just like Kubrick i guess!)
nothing even close to terrifying in that movie, are you a wuss?
I went to a dinner party in 1994 and George Sluizer was one of the guests. My friend Tony asked him if he'd seen the US remake and that he'd heard it was terrible . That was a moment.
No you didn’t.
You hit it right on. The remake loses all the magic and originality the first had. The 1988 one is the creepiest ending I’ve ever seen
Spoorloos is vastly superior even if it would have been shot for shot & kept the original ending in the remake it STILL wouldn’t be close.
With that said I still enjoy The Vanishing as a nostalgic popcorn flick which would introduce me to the original through the back of the blockbuster review on the case
That literally dosent make sense lmao you can like the original without saying asinine statements
I chuckled when i heard the term Euro villain. Amazing.
The remake just seems like a cash grab, Sluzier took away everything that made the original so interesting and dumbed it down for accessibility.
Some of us were 17
when it came out in 93’…it’s a no
brainer Sandra was our girl, this will always be great, but then again i JUST learned of this version looking to watch the old one…and now i’ll watch the Dutch version , it’s ok i know how it ends…
This is like comparing The Wicker Man (1973) to the remake. It's like shooting fish in a barrel!
I have to say, I really thought the actress who played Saskia in the original Spoorloos was lovely (and charming, yes). I really felt horrified at what her character had been put through. Also, at least the 2006 Wicker Man didn't change the ending, it just turned up the hysteria to hi-octane levels. The Vanishing 1993 version had the same bloody director as the original.Was it the execs at Fox Studios' fault? At least things turned around two years later with the devastatingly bleak Se7en (1995).
Saw them both ages ago, don't remember much about the original now, but I preferred the remake. I loved the actors in the remake more than any of the actors in the original.
Show this movie to your kids to make them think twice about leaving with strangers. Scared the piss out of me as a kid thats for damn sure, all strangers were potential "Barneys" to me after this.
Is it a real question ? I saw both movies and decades later, Spoorloos still fuels my thoughts about mankind. I barely remember its remake. (beside, I like Bernard-Pierre Donnadieu).
I know everyone here will hate me for saying this, but I quite enjoyed the remake. I liked the overly dramatic tone and laughably predictable happy ending even. I can't say it is a better film overall than the original of course, but I quite enjoyed it all the same. I view the films as two entirely different genres with different messages and personalities, just wearing similar plot lines. I like them both equally but they really don't compare to one another.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, maaaan..." Maybe he wanted to safeguard the integrity of the original as the standard. Or gave it enough 'Camembert' as a finger to the commercial US 'mooooovie' industry. Or maybe he was pushed in the 'happy ending' direction by Producers/Fox.
It's not really happy, Jeff offs himself in the weeks after his lucky rescue after realizing Diane's facial skin was receiving really odd "beauty treatments"...
I saw this movie on TH-cam many Times.it hit me so much that i went back to see it agaîn.anyway i heard that one in four people are like him but they dont réact to it.anyway when hé puts thé spiders in thé drawer was m’y freak out
I wouldn't be surprised if the remake was just him needing money. I mean he already made the movie.
I need to know how Keifer Shutherland got the key back to return home when Diane had taken it into the gas station when she left the car How was it recovered??
The original is a masterpiece, for many reasons. I’ve not watched the remake but after watching this I certainly don’t need to! It appears to be the epitome of ‘missing the point’. What is wrong with Hollywood?..
I though he was buried in the same coffin as Saskia and soon he will feel the remains of his friend in that coffin. That would have given him closure, at the cost of his life.
I didn’t see the original but the director’s style/camera angle and cinematography for the remake were, for me, better than ANY American director.
I like them both, what I love most though is reading all of the snobby comments on here. You people are probably real fun at parties.
The original film is only let down by a goofy score that works to undercut mood and tension. It's a near perfect film but that score can be...yeah.
The infinity symbolism is also very prominent in the original
hey can you elaborate on that cause maybe I've missed it
The new ending in the american version kinda ruin the book/movie in my opinion.
The original is a masterpiece. I have no idea why he remade his masterpiece. It's such a disturbing film.
I am a film fanatic and love all sorts of films including international films. I am usually partial to the originals. However, I like the 1993 version better. I saw it when it was released and could not get over the beauty of Sandra Bullock. She is the key to the movie and why the viewer is emotionally involved. Sure enough, she would reach stardom not long after with speed.
spoorloos is perfect..dont think about current technology etc..its totally effect in 80's and you re feeling so much nervous without violence...even spoorloos means : without trace in dutch ..
Bubbles turns evil
Damn,
The remake is just embarrassing
Which is better? Is that a question? The Americans demolished a great piece of art.
The original is originally more unsettling...preferred.
i saw both versions , i dont get why people dont like the remake i like it
Americans just ruin every European film by 'Remaking'.
What baffles me the most is the fact that it was the same director. I still wish I could get into his head to understand why he did this.
@@hypnoxxcat That's crazy!
Only seen the great original, heard the remake was not good and the miscasting of the male characters is unforgivable.
I really enjoyed both films for what they both offer. I think the remake was changed as to give the audience a new experience. the original had already been made and the difference was needed to give it it's reason to exists. An exact copy wouldn't be desirable to artists and audiences. The changes also make them better. Nancy Travis was great in it. Kiefer delivered a solid performance. I think most people underestimate Bridges take on the character. I found him realistic and disturbing.
I respectfully disagree. The remake didn’t hold anything original. It had the typical American ending, good prevails over evil, the hero walks off into the sunset with his love. Yawn. There was the usual over explaining and dramatic music as well. I would have preferred the same ending, because it was the ending that made the film so amazing, like suddenly all the pieces come together in that final moment and it’s like a kick to the stomach. It’s that dark and bleak ending that made the film so memorable.
Zero terror in this version.
spoorloos can make pple afraid to love.
this one of jeff bridges best ever performances
Not even Jeff Bridges thinks that.😂
@@alexcamacho4880 really i assume u know him personally
The remake is awesome. Hacked up is laughable at best. Jeff Bridges is creepy fantastic! Kiefer Sutherland and the beautiful Sandra Bullock had good chemistry. My favorite Nancy Travis as Rita. She really takes the Bill by the horns in the remake. The end wrapped up is sweet and salty. Sad=the life lost happy=because he has finally moved on. I dig it.
I saw the remake first unfortunately
I saw the original over 30 years ago and still think about it often. It was terrifying. The remake was a waste of time.
Simple answer = the original.
The casting in the remake is bad. Bridges doesn't work as the sociopath, and Sutherland doesn't work as the obsessed lover of the victim.
The American Version is SUPERERIOR to the Original in every way. I heard from reviewers like this guy Say, Oh You have to watch the original! It's so much better". Yea...IT WASN'T.😂 It was low grade, bad camera angles, mediocre acting. The only thing it has going for it was the, I guess realism of the end. Which obviously Hollywood understands audiences don't particularly like the bad guy winning at the end. I can get that, in an artistic idea of truth in a bubble, but that's a short straw to hold onto😂. Originals are usually the Better Versions, but sadly not in this.
The answer is no.
I like the remake a lot better. Yes I've seen both versions.
I actually like both versions. I feel like the remake effectively creates a brooding, isolated atmosphere, where it seems like characters are constantly on the outskirts of civilization, surrounded by vast stretches of highway and forest. The original had that as well, but I feel like it is a little more effective in the remake. I also think that the girlfriend is an interesting addition, in that she isn't an entirely positive presence; in a sense, she's a counterpoint to Barney in a malignant way; both are in a sense, fighting for control of Jeff. Barney controls him through Jeff's desire to know, whereas Rita's need to have Jeff for herself creates a counterpull. She's not entirely sympathetic to Jeff's situation and seems to never get over her jealousy regarding Diane. In the finale, we see that she can, in fact, be just as ruthless as Barney himself. If the original is about a man consumed by the desire to know what happened, I think the remake is, in a sense, about a man struggling for individuality, locked between two personalities that seek to control and dominate him.
In the porn version when Rita dresses up as Diane and says "is this what you want?!?" Jeff says, "Hell yes!!" *cue porn-music*
@@someguy2972 Hahahaha! Yes, I believe that is indeed how it happens.
While the remake isn't terrible the cast and overall look of the first movie I thought worked better
the worst part of the american version is jeff bridges’ weird fake accent. wtf😂😂😂
I respect the director for at least not making a copy of his original. If you prefer a bleak outlook watch the Dutch original. Two different films with two wholly separate identities made on different continents
I agree, absolutely. It is more interesting to have these two different versions that you can compare and contrast. Reminds me of The Chocolate War movie as opposed to the book. The movie diverges from the book in its ending, leading some to feel it betrayed its source material. But I think it is more interesting to see two different possibilities for the same sets of characters, instead of seeing the exact same scenario reenacted.
No because in the original the guy dies
So not cool
The Americanized version is an affront to the original.
wish they hadnt used that stupid gotea in the original smh, jeff bridges was a better villian .
I prefer the remake. Much more entertaining though less haunting.
😂
Are you joking 😂.
I expected the original to be as so many people are saying but it was such a disappointment - so unrealistic, dull, bad acted, bad scripted.