USA has 50 states & CANADA has 10 provinces + 3 territories but both countries have empowered local government system where people elect their mayors , attorney , however there is also a accountability & audit system run by provinces & federal level . If pakistan want eliminate LOTAISM then federal & provinces governments must be limit to legislation & policy making . Federal & provincial governments should hire non elected professionals secretaries from private sector who should work as wazir . Army chief & isi powers must be reform . Kick-out army sector commanders & AC/DC from districts . Empowered local governments with a parallel powerful accountability system at federal level is way forward .
Indeed local government must be strengthened, and much financial resources and power must be delegated to them. But make sure the electorate retain power over them. There needs to be a movement to counter objections of the provinces against local bodies. Keeps coming back to who does it? Of course a popular elected leader that has the confidence of the public, and can stand upto narrow interest groups, and for the public interest. That is, Imran Khan, may the nation have the good sense, and the good fortune, to protect its leader. Ameen.
This is what Television News needs to look like.. learned so much new elements of the Pakistan political science today 🙏 thank you to the esteemed panel!
"Vision Pakistan" what a learning experience of this philosophical and political discussion Thankyou moeed sir Hatsoff to you 👍 you are great sir MatY😊Allah help and give success to IMRAN KHAN ZINDABAD❤
So you think a faulty system can evolve gradually? 😂 Our Constitution is 50 years old. What has changed gradually for better? I usually agree with Orya sahab's opinions. But it's not that simple. The problem in Pakistan is that we always discourage new ideas by saying thay it can't happen or the ground realities are different....etc Pakistan doesn't change because we have put in our minds that nothing can change and any different idea is not applicable.
It’s not what can and cannot be done ? It’s the willingness to do this which is lacking. Establishment needs absolute power and will not do any such thing
Every time people say presidential system I always think someone will definitely try be the Amir-ul-mominin in Pakistan. This system will get a totalitarian regime because some of our top people have that mindset which comes out every few years. Imagine giving them a chance to legally achieve it.
Constitutional changes are, first of all, a process over a period of time. May be a process over a minimum of 10 years and must have a 2/3 majority government to do so. The next step would be a fair opportunity for the development and distribution of resources fairly among all Pakistanis. Lastly, it would be multiple referendums over 10 years to get people's say in Pakistan's development, electoral processes, foreign policies, and foreign investments. This will lay the basic foundation of future amendments and policy shifts. This would also be underpinned by educating people on the Constitution and the change process. Imran Khan has pretty much initiated the process of educating the masses.
Agreed but the first step has to be to be able to discuss openly, without any uniformed minders or plain clothes minder - this is a minimum requirement for a informed and active citizenry (not just in Pakistan, US minders, ya hear?)
سب سے پہلے تو اس بات کا تعین کرلیں کہ کیا پاکستان میں سب انسان برابر ہیں؟ جرمنی نے جب جنگ عظیم کے بعد آئین بنایا تو پہلا آرٹیکل یہ لکھا گیا کہ انسان کی عزت نفس قابل احترام ہے اسکو نہیں چھیڑا جاسکتا، اور پاکستان میں تو مذہیبی آزادی ہی نہیں ہے۔
Hafeez sahab bahar baith ker constitution ki baat ker rahay hain, he doesn’t know ground realities. Yahan koi kaam constitution ke mutabiq nahi ho raha hai. Aurea sahab has deeper knowledge of territorial, ethnic and power network in Pakistan
One question how can you educate people of Pakistan? There is no point in changing the system. Both systems are good but both need educating structure. Yaha biryani ki plate sb vote de detn hain
میں جو سمجھا ہوں اوریا صاحب کا حل یہ ہے: 1- کوئی جماعت دو تہائی یا زیادہ اکثریت لے کر حکومت بناۓ۔ 2- پھر وہ حکومت ایک پیمانے کے مطابق ملک کو ضرورت کے مطابق مزید صوبوں میں تقسیم کرے۔ 3- اِس کے بعد ملک کو ترقی دے کر خوشحالی لاۓ، تاکہ ہر قسم کی عوام اور مفاد پرستوں کی مزاہمت حکومت کو اگلا قدم اُٹھانے میں کم سے کم ملے اور حکومت آسانی سے اپنے منصوبے کے مطابق چلے۔ 4- جس کے بعد وہ حکومت کوئی بھی نیا نظام بنانے کے لیے دوبارہ آئین ساز اسمبلی کے انتخابات کرواۓ۔ جس کے بعد نظام بنے گا۔ میرے خیال سے history, psychology, sociology اور زمینی حقائق کو دیکھتے ہوۓ اوریا صاحب کا طریقہ و حل زیادہ آسان ہے۔ اگلا طریقہ خونی انقلاب ہے، تو وہ تو بڑا مشکل ہے، کیونکہ چھبیس سال تو عمران خان کے عوام کو بولنے اور منہ کھولنے پر لگ گئے، جبکہ عوام خود پھر بھی سوئی ہوئی ہے۔
Stop this nonsense. What justice? he persecuted non believers, one morning Meccan people were idol worshiper next morning they were forced to Islam and their idols broken. He was PDF because of 6year child, he took away son's wife, in male-ghaneemat snatched other women. People started leaving Islam just after he died and then a war waged to save Islam. It's a brutal Political system.
Moed Sahib @Hafeez Chaudary ko Pakistan k aj kal k haalaat ka pta hi he? woh to America me rehte hen. Sorry to say Inko ko zero knowledge he Pakistan k aj kal k political situation ka. I agree with Orya Maqbool Jan Sahib. Chaudary sahib arf kitaabi baaten ker rhe hen. Must say you managed the debate very well
Pakistan had intellectually sound people, that's why we are here in this precarious situation 😂 Bro, try to listen to people with different opinions even if you don't agree with them. The point of any discussion is not to bring like minded people who agree with each other and think in the same way. The point is to bring forward different opinions and ideas.
Hafeez chowdry has led discussion into anothder direction. Why u people can't understand the issue & problem Pakistan is facing currently is not the provinces & stuff u are talking. The issue currently is the monopoly of army . U people got strayed from the burning issue. This is the tragedy every time we take non issues instead of basic issue
@@impartial5912 exactly he doesn't want to point exact causes of problems but taking conversation towards totally opposite direction as all our so called politicians & establishment usually do & due to which not a single problem solved
اسلام علیکم جناب۔ بہت اچھا لگا آپ کا اس قسم کا پروگرام۔ اور یہ بہت اچھا سلسلہ ہے۔ کہ اس میں یہ عام عوام میں شعور بیدار کیا جائے۔ اب ہم نے فیصلہ کرنا ہے کہ پاکستان کے لیے کیا بہتر ہے اور کیا بہتر نہیں ہے۔ اور آپ کو بھی اللہ ہمت اور استقامت عطا فرمائیں۔ اس کو جاری رکھیں۔
السلام علیکم شکریہ معید صاحب اوریا مقبول جان کو پروگرام میں بلانے کا میں امید کرتا ہوں کہ آپ اوریا صاحب کو بلاتے رہینگے اوریا صاحب کی معلوماتی گفتگو بہترین ہے
Very good discussion, it should be continued. This program will be a steppingstone for new generations to understand basic problems of Pakistan. Please call Pakistani political Academias too
اوریا صاحب ہمت ہارے ہوے انسانوں کی طرح باتیں کرتے ہیں انشاء اللہ عمران جو کرے گا ملک اور قوم کی بہتری اُسی میں ہو گی۔ میں آپ سب سے عمر میں بھی اور باقی چیزوں میں بھی بڑا ہوں مگر عمران خان پر پورا یقین اور بھروسہ ہے
انتظامی امور پر بہت مفید اور معلوماتی تبادلہ خیال ہے، ایک بات جو موضوع نہیں تھی وہ یہ کہ جب تک عوام کی شعوری سطح بلند نہیں ہو گی کوئی بہترین سسٹم بھی نہیں چل سکے گا
USA has 50 states & CANADA has 10 provinces + 3 territories but both countries have empowered local government system where people elect their mayors , attorney , however there is also a accountability & audit system run by provinces & federal level . If pakistan want eliminate LOTAISM then federal & provinces governments must be limit to legislation & policy making . Federal & provincial governments should hire non elected professionals secretaries from private sector who should work as wazir . Army chief & isi powers must be reform . Kick-out army sector commanders & AC/DC from districts . Empowered local governments with a parallel powerful accountability system at federal level is way forward .
I agree
ووٹ صرف خان کا
@PavitShokeendid you eat Gobar today or not.? 😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅
Indeed local government must be strengthened, and much financial resources and power must be delegated to them. But make sure the electorate retain power over them. There needs to be a movement to counter objections of the provinces against local bodies. Keeps coming back to who does it? Of course a popular elected leader that has the confidence of the public, and can stand upto narrow interest groups, and for the public interest. That is, Imran Khan, may the nation have the good sense, and the good fortune, to protect its leader. Ameen.
Please bring them back very interesting discussion
ڈاکٹر صاحب اپ کے کریڈٹ میں ایک بہت ہی بہترین پروگرام کا اضافہ ہوا ہے ایسے پروگرام پاکستان میں ہم نے کبھی نہیں دیکھے
جزاك الله
Salam to all the independent minds
زبردست ڈسکشن۔جاری رکھیں
Love you oriya sab Allah hifazat farmaye Ameen
This is what Television News needs to look like.. learned so much new elements of the Pakistan political science today 🙏 thank you to the esteemed panel!
Orya maqbool sahab is a great asset to Pakistan.
"Vision Pakistan" what a learning experience of this philosophical and political discussion Thankyou moeed sir Hatsoff to you 👍 you are great sir MatY😊Allah help and give success to IMRAN KHAN ZINDABAD❤
کمال ھے ڈاکٹر صاحب ۔ ایسے پروگرام کی ضرورت ھے۔❤❤❤❤❤
Very useful debate. You should do more often. Thanks!🙏🏽
Very good program, thanks
I agree with Orya Maqbool Jan's understanding here, he understands the Pakistani system, institutions and Centre of powers more.
So you think a faulty system can evolve gradually? 😂
Our Constitution is 50 years old.
What has changed gradually for better?
I usually agree with Orya sahab's opinions. But it's not that simple.
The problem in Pakistan is that we always discourage new ideas by saying thay it can't happen or the ground realities are different....etc
Pakistan doesn't change because we have put in our minds that nothing can change and any different idea is not applicable.
Very nice discussion
Mashallah great
I wish it broadcast in Pakistan national channels❤❤
Good topic and discussion, Agree with Orya Sahab, Hafiz Sahab is looking at things from his lens of idealism.
Good debate.❤️
Great panel.❤️
Good initiate Dr sahb.👏👏👏
250million people controlled by Pakistan military will not last long. People will find their way to true independence.
Well done doctor sahib
Good panel, great discussion.
I strongly request you sir to do the same sessions more, heavy doses of analysis
Please continue, good panel well educated
It’s not what can and cannot be done ? It’s the willingness to do this which is lacking.
Establishment needs absolute power and will not do any such thing
شاندار گفتگو سننے کو ملی ہے معید صاحب. خوش رہیں 🌹 🌹 🌹
Every time people say presidential system I always think someone will definitely try be the Amir-ul-mominin in Pakistan. This system will get a totalitarian regime because some of our top people have that mindset which comes out every few years. Imagine giving them a chance to legally achieve it.
Wonderful discussion today.thanks
Constitutional changes are, first of all, a process over a period of time. May be a process over a minimum of 10 years and must have a 2/3 majority government to do so. The next step would be a fair opportunity for the development and distribution of resources fairly among all Pakistanis. Lastly, it would be multiple referendums over 10 years to get people's say in Pakistan's development, electoral processes, foreign policies, and foreign investments.
This will lay the basic foundation of future amendments and policy shifts. This would also be underpinned by educating people on the Constitution and the change process. Imran Khan has pretty much initiated the process of educating the masses.
Agreed but the first step has to be to be able to discuss openly, without any uniformed minders or plain clothes minder - this is a minimum requirement for a informed and active citizenry (not just in Pakistan, US minders, ya hear?)
Very very good discussion
Good knowledge
سب سے پہلے تو اس بات کا تعین کرلیں کہ کیا پاکستان میں سب انسان برابر ہیں؟ جرمنی نے جب جنگ عظیم کے بعد آئین بنایا تو پہلا آرٹیکل یہ لکھا گیا کہ انسان کی عزت نفس قابل احترام ہے اسکو نہیں چھیڑا جاسکتا، اور پاکستان میں تو مذہیبی آزادی ہی نہیں ہے۔
What a wonderful discussion. With best blessings and well wishes…….
Relax guys, 8th Feb 2024 ko Pakistan mein election nahin hoga !😅
Wonderfully hosted program.
Pakistan ka main problem military hai jo k east india company ki legacy hai aur aik occupation army hai.
very interesting program
بہت کچھ سیکھنے کا موقع ملا
Hafeez sahab bahar baith ker constitution ki baat ker rahay hain, he doesn’t know ground realities. Yahan koi kaam constitution ke mutabiq nahi ho raha hai. Aurea sahab has deeper knowledge of territorial, ethnic and power network in Pakistan
بھت زبردست تجزیہ
One question how can you educate people of Pakistan? There is no point in changing the system. Both systems are good but both need educating structure. Yaha biryani ki plate sb vote de detn hain
We stand with Imran Khan Pakistan only hope Imran Khan
میں جو سمجھا ہوں اوریا صاحب کا حل یہ ہے:
1- کوئی جماعت دو تہائی یا زیادہ اکثریت لے کر حکومت بناۓ۔
2- پھر وہ حکومت ایک پیمانے کے مطابق ملک کو ضرورت کے مطابق مزید صوبوں میں تقسیم کرے۔
3- اِس کے بعد ملک کو ترقی دے کر خوشحالی لاۓ، تاکہ ہر قسم کی عوام اور مفاد پرستوں کی مزاہمت حکومت کو اگلا قدم اُٹھانے میں کم سے کم ملے اور حکومت آسانی سے اپنے منصوبے کے مطابق چلے۔
4- جس کے بعد وہ حکومت کوئی بھی نیا نظام بنانے کے لیے دوبارہ آئین ساز اسمبلی کے انتخابات کرواۓ۔
جس کے بعد نظام بنے گا۔
میرے خیال سے history, psychology, sociology اور زمینی حقائق کو دیکھتے ہوۓ اوریا صاحب کا طریقہ و حل زیادہ آسان ہے۔
اگلا طریقہ خونی انقلاب ہے، تو وہ تو بڑا مشکل ہے، کیونکہ چھبیس سال تو عمران خان کے عوام کو بولنے اور منہ کھولنے پر لگ گئے، جبکہ عوام خود پھر بھی سوئی ہوئی ہے۔
keep going Dr sab 😊
Excellent Blog. Thanks
Stop this nonsense. What justice? he persecuted non believers, one morning Meccan people were idol worshiper next morning they were forced to Islam and their idols broken. He was PDF because of 6year child, he took away son's wife, in male-ghaneemat snatched other women. People started leaving Islam just after he died and then a war waged to save Islam. It's a brutal Political system.
معید پیر ذادہ صاحب کی انتہائی مخلصانہ کوشش اور دونوں مہمانوں کی انتہائی دلیرانہ اور منطقی گفتگو ❤❤❤❤
Moed Sahib @Hafeez Chaudary ko Pakistan k aj kal k haalaat ka pta hi he? woh to America me rehte hen. Sorry to say Inko ko zero knowledge he Pakistan k aj kal k political situation ka. I agree with Orya Maqbool Jan Sahib. Chaudary sahib arf kitaabi baaten ker rhe hen. Must say you managed the debate very well
Plz continue thought-provoking discussions on such like deeper topcs.
اگلے اپ کو یکساں نظام تعلیم نہیں لاگو ہونے دیتے اپ ائین کو بدلنے کی بات کر رہے ہیں۔
DR SAAB
ALWAYS GOOD ALWAYS TOP OF THE LINES
I WISH ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND YOU.
Please don’t invite and waste time with people who are not intellectually sound, especially when on the other side you have Orya Maqbool.
Oriya is intellectual 😂 that's why Pakistan is in ditch
Pakistan had intellectually sound people, that's why we are here in this precarious situation 😂
Bro, try to listen to people with different opinions even if you don't agree with them.
The point of any discussion is not to bring like minded people who agree with each other and think in the same way.
The point is to bring forward different opinions and ideas.
عمران❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ کی جیت پاکستان کی جیت غیرت مند عوام کی جیت اسلام کی جیت
Hafeez chowdry has led discussion into anothder direction. Why u people can't understand the issue & problem Pakistan is facing currently is not the provinces & stuff u are talking. The issue currently is the monopoly of army . U people got strayed from the burning issue. This is the tragedy every time we take non issues instead of basic issue
Very correct, His reasons are one-sided and unrealistic, I'm surprised why he even heard of Dr. Peerzada was invited
@@impartial5912 exactly he doesn't want to point exact causes of problems but taking conversation towards totally opposite direction as all our so called politicians & establishment usually do & due to which not a single problem solved
Nice combination of guests. One very practical and other an idealistic.
Bohot ache Koshish hai ALLAH Ap ko kamyab kare
Good brainstorming session keep it up Dr Pirzada God bless you
زبردست
Thank you Dr.Sahib, For selecting excellent and important topic.
اسلام علیکم جناب۔ بہت اچھا لگا آپ کا اس قسم کا پروگرام۔ اور یہ بہت اچھا سلسلہ ہے۔ کہ اس میں یہ عام عوام میں شعور بیدار کیا جائے۔ اب ہم نے فیصلہ کرنا ہے کہ پاکستان کے لیے کیا بہتر ہے اور کیا بہتر نہیں ہے۔ اور آپ کو بھی اللہ ہمت اور استقامت عطا فرمائیں۔ اس کو جاری رکھیں۔
لو یو سر معید پیر زادہ
❤❤❤❤❤❤
Allah Bless yours 🙌
Ever best leader, May almighty Allah help Imran khan
Thanks Moed peerzada for such a healthy and productive discussion unlike those typical talk shows....
بہت ہی معلوماتی ۔ بہت ہی بہترین تجزیہ کار😊
Thank you Moeed Sir. Goot effort fruitfull discussion and Very Intel Panel.
السلام علیکم
شکریہ معید صاحب اوریا مقبول جان کو پروگرام میں بلانے کا
میں امید کرتا ہوں کہ آپ اوریا صاحب کو بلاتے رہینگے اوریا صاحب کی معلوماتی گفتگو بہترین ہے
Allah pak Imran khan ko kamyab kre ameen
ایسے پروگرام ضرور ہونے چاہیے
Excellent Discussion Dr. Moeed & Living Legendary Intellectual Institution in person Janab Orya Maqbool Jaan Saheb and Hafeez Chaudhry Saheb.
Bhuhat acha positive progm to awake Pakistani nation
like this thought provoking discussion.
Bohat zabardast discussion hoi… Dr. sb we need more programs like this
Excellent discussion, Peerzada Sb. Please continue such programs.
Amazing program and great analysis from both analysts
Masha Allah
Wel done
Very very important discussion
Very good discussion, it should be continued. This program will be a steppingstone for new generations to understand basic problems of Pakistan. Please call Pakistani political Academias too
What a great panel.great discussion
Salute sir from Qatar 🇶🇦
Thanks for delivering real facts precious news and analysis always
سلامت رہیں خوش رہیں ڈاکٹر صاحب ❤
Very informative well done ✅👍 💯 sir as best always thanks
بہت اعلی ایسے پروگرامز کی ضرورت تھی۔ اب کھل کر ہر مسلے پر بات ہوگی
Hats off to all of u for reshaping our thoughts.....
Dr. Moeed, thanks for arranging such discussion.
شاندار پروگرام!!!
اوریا صاحب کی گفتگو بہت مدلل رہی۔
MashaAllah it was never ending discussion
اوریا صاحب ہمت ہارے ہوے انسانوں کی طرح باتیں کرتے ہیں انشاء اللہ عمران جو کرے گا ملک اور قوم کی بہتری اُسی میں ہو گی۔ میں آپ سب سے عمر میں بھی اور باقی چیزوں میں بھی بڑا ہوں مگر عمران خان پر پورا یقین اور بھروسہ ہے
It was an amazing discussion, and bringing different minds at one place is a great idea
پروگرام زبردست ھے اور اوریا صاحب ۔۔ ماشااللہ بہت ھی زبردست
Mubarak ho peerzada sahib for becoming champion of political Islam. Mahmood Butt.
Orya maqbool jan is right, logic and also spitting facts
Jazak Allah for information from UK
Very good selection of the topic.
It was pleasure listening to Orya Maqbool jan
Bhot zabardast
Thanks for the program .
Good discussion respectable moeed pirzada
انتظامی امور پر بہت مفید اور معلوماتی تبادلہ خیال ہے، ایک بات جو موضوع نہیں تھی وہ یہ کہ جب تک عوام کی شعوری سطح بلند نہیں ہو گی کوئی بہترین سسٹم بھی نہیں چل سکے گا
Orya Maqbool is a Genuine intellectual. We always learn from Orya Maqbool. Very good selection of the guest
very very good effort to create awareness in Innocent Pakistanis
Very good initiative... This kind of discussions should be initiated in the society to open minds of people for a system change in the country.
Thank you Dr sb for such an enlightening debate. Please keep them coming.
Great discussion. Lots of points raised. Look forward to more soon.
SALAM brother muhtaram for updating
Loved the informed discussion. Thank you