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Will Nikola Jokic become a top 10 NBA player of all time? | Dan Patrick Show | NBC Sports
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I’m 72 years old and I’ve been watching basketball my entire life. I have seen the Harlem Globetrotters Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Dave Cowins through Marvin Webster Shaq, Moses Malone, pistol Larry Magic and all the other greats. Jokic is most definitely the greatest floor raiser I’ve ever seen. he’s in the top 20 already doesn’t need to do another game. Could be in the top five by the ends….
Top 1a and 1b
This is the only sensible assessment of Jokic on this thread.
He needs more awards and championships.
@loodakris5928 no, he doesn't.
@@chasingbirds3073 name your top 10
Jokic is definetelly a game changer. Every team now wants a guy that can play like Jokic, every center wants to play like Jokic!
Not true though is it, Teams generally want a big that can score, defend and pass, and that has been the case for the longest time. In his case the team lucked out and found a big that can score and pass at a high level but the profile of Wembanyama is more attractive than the profile of Jokic, granted Wemby is young and his game still has to evolve, but in theory he's a big that can be(probably already is) the best defender in the league while also scoring 26+ and dishing out 5+ assists in his prime, with the ability to shoot 3 point shots at league average level, that my friend is more of a perfect basketball player than anyone currently playing basketball, is not ever. In reality Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are the most sought after type of player before Wemby, hence they have won the last however many MVPs between them and each year you could hade a strong argument for the two that did not win it.
Been watching the nba forever... he's already there.
Easily to me
Some people barely put curry in top 10 all time. He has 3 more rings. Best record of all time. And have same mvps. 1 unanimous mvp. If jokic wins another mvp and ring then yea he is top 15 maybe.
@@user-js1xb7pj7s hate to break to you but he’s clearly better than Curry. Just period. Two of those championships came when he had a better player than him on that team (KD) who won both of the Finals MVP’s along with it. Jokic is the man every year without a fellow all star. Every year he’s the MVP highest candidate or a neck n neck 2nd. Curry no where near that.
@@vincentcraig306 How can you be the best player in the world when embiid drops over 40 on you every time while you struggle to put up 20. I would be so embarrassed if that was Lebron fan and KD did that to him everytime. Or if I was a Jordan fan and sum other dude in the league I know is better. Jokic a sympathy MVP
But he’s not a better player than Jokić.
His resume is better but Jokić peak is way higher.
Will he become top 3 is the only question left.
Needs more titles, but yeah, he's playing like it right now.
Yeah, asking if he''ll become top 10 is just ridiculous (trying hard not to use any heavier word). When did any of the current top 10 player played the way Jokic does? So, yeah, Top 3 best players ever, is a bit of a strech, if you ask me, but top 3 centers of all time, yeah, easily.
In my eyes, he’s already the best player to play the game. The question that remains, will he achieve enough career accolades to be considered for the greatest career. But talent wise, I can’t put anyone ahead of him, at least offensivley.
I’d have to say Jordan and Kobe were right there with him offensively. They may not have been as good a passer or playmaker as Jokić, but they were better all around scorers and were excellent passers and play makers in their own right. Jokic is more efficient obviously, but he should be considering he’s a center, operating mostly on the low block, taking higher percentage shots than them. So I’d agree with you that Jokic is the greatest offensive weapon of all time… right there with Mike and Kobe.
The advanced stats back it up for sure
People can’t accept that his impact is greater than lebron or mj
@lucalemay9997 bro MJ globalized basketball people in Iraq knew who he was and is. Joking maybe top3 all time
Joker changed the game just like Steph, all the young bigs try to play like him and teams are going big again and putting team basketball first
They try to be like Embiid but they can’t so setttle for jokic
@@erniejohnson677 the same embiid that has not gotten out of the second round and that is consistently hurt...and the same one that Kendrick Perkins and the media basically won the MVP for?
Yeah everyone wants to be Embiid who can get nore free throws than minutes but this depends on the refs not on the players skill
MVP 3.0
How can you be the MVP when embiid drops over 40 on you every time while you struggle to put up 20. I would be so embarrassed if that was Lebron fan and KD did that to him everytime. Or if I was a Jordan fan and sum other dude in the league I know is better. Jokic a sympathy MVP
He already is
Don’t think so.
Again, fans tend to get caught up in the moment.
Lots of great players in prior decades.
Have to play the “who do I leave out for him” game.
Top 20 is fair at moment
@@20Schmidt he better at basketball than bill Russell and Tim Duncan idc about awards I’m talking eye test ability
@@ChiefOttoSoTMAC top 10?
@@gbone1812 nah I got tmac top 10 talents ever tho
@@ChiefOttoSo How can you be the best player in the world when embiid drops over 40 on you every time while you struggle to put up 20. I would be so embarrassed if that was Lebron fan and KD did that to him everytime. Or if I was a Jordan fan and sum other dude in the league I know is better. Jokic a sympathy MVP
By the end of this season he could be the 2x time champion, 2x finals mvp, 3x mvp.. not too bad
Jokic needs more accolades/time playing at this level of greatness, but I think he's there.
How can you be the best player in the world when embiid drops over 40 on you every time while you struggle to put up 20. I would be so embarrassed if that was Lebron fan and KD did that to him everytime. Or if I was a Jordan fan and sum other dude in the league I know is better. Jokic a sympathy MVP
@@erniejohnson677Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since before the bubble. THAT is embarrassing
@@v8holdentiger what difference is it gonna make where you play. He gets cooked everytime, can’t tell me your great when the opposite guy gets double the points. Don’t use the word “embarrassing” in the wrong vein
@@erniejohnson677they really will suck jokic till the day he dies.
when embiid is on the floor he’s the best on both ends up. Jokic got his one championship and now he’s automatic top 10 lmao
@@erniejohnson677 if it doesn’t make a difference, why doesn’t Embiid ever play in Denver? You don’t think the Nuggets usually being on the end of a long East coast trip doesn’t make a difference? You know when Jokic turns it on? The playoffs. Make a conference finals maybe before you can name your flopping loser in the same breath as the reigning Finals MVP. Also when you say he “cooks” Jokic, he isn’t always his opposite assignment on D.
Scotty is a legend in Denver! Gotta love him. Ran into him in the bathrooms at a nuggets game and he was the e coolest guy 😂😂
The league is so much deeper than its ever been its hard to compare eras.
He already is top 5
2 MVPs, 1 title and 1 FMVP
Is better than:
5/6/6 (MJ)
6/6/2 (Kareem)
4/4/4 (LeBron)
5/11/NA (Bill Russell)
3/5/3 (Magic)
?
@@jdankerdakeHe's not a top 5 in accolades yet. But certainly top 10 skill and production, with a chance to be top 5 if he winsa couple more titles and 1 or 2 more MVPs. Don't forget there were less teams and lower competition in the 60s and 70s. To win 5+MVPs or Titles today ia crazy. Thats why MJ and Lebron are top 2.
Hol up there dude
@@jdankerdake Dont forget that he white that's just as good as 10X Chips and 7 MVP's.
@@MrSecondchancebro he also forgot kobe for his top 10... durant i like but no way hes top 10... he has super teams and still cant win.
Jokic is already top 15 so yes he has a real good chance
Most intelligent analysts (not racist idiots like Gilbert Arenas) a;ready have Jokic in the 20-25 best all time range. With another MVP--almost a certainty now--he moves into top 15 territory. He just turned 29 with a game that will age well. One more chip and another 5 years of All NBA level play and he's got a very strong argument for top 10. Only 8 players ever have 3 MVPs, a chip, and a finals MVP on their resumes. Just 8. He'll soon be the 9th. By that measure he's already top 10
🙌 your analysis is spot on bro!
Good analysis. I agree with all of it. Logical and factual. I think of Wilt Chamberlain and how dominating he was and he only won 1 championship, and that late in his career. Hakeem Olajuwon was my favorite center for years (until Jokic because of his passing) and Hakeem only won 2 championships (only - LOL) and those were when Michael Jordan was out of the league following his father's death. Jokic should be top 10 (definitely top 20) in 5 years if he remains healthy. He'll have 20,000 plus points and 10,000 plus rebounds, easily.
Maybe we should talk about the top 20 now. There are too many great players to just talk about ten now. You have to leave out players like Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Curry... to get to ten, and it feels disrespectful.
@@jonm7888 i have to put kobe in top 10.... even though you can argue curry duncan and bird are as good or better.. kobe is an icon,
@@bryanlayton6400 Bird is an icon to us older people.
Already there my friend
One thing going for Jokic is that, due to the lack of athleticism, and the fact his game is vased on intelligence and skill in the basics, he potentially has a greater longevity then most other players on the top 10 list. One thing going against him is that he may get bored with playing basketball and leave earlier than others.
He will become top 1 all time.
Michael Jeffrey Joker?
After that loss to Wemby? Lmao
@@yyynbbggsage7398 wemby is already top 10 all time (jk, but maybe he gets there one day)
Other than LeBron, Jokic is the only active player who has broken more records/ stats since stats were introduced 70 years ago in the NBA.
With how he plays- not needing to jump that much- I see him playing another 10-12 years. He'll end up top 3, or maybe 2. I have him, Bron and MJ all in the top three.
How is he passing Kareem, who won 6 rings and 6 MVPs? Not to mention Magic, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, and everyone else in the top 10?
@@jdankerdakeOne thing for sure is he is definitely better than Duncan…..easily.
@@vincentcraig306and shaq
im a nuggets fan whos followed him his whole career, my only fear is that he retires early just cause he wants to be done with the nba and go spend time with his family and his horses.
Love Scott Hastings on the DP Show. Great guest.
He is already the best center ever
Lol c’mon Dan you know Jokic is top 10.
Explain what he is doing to your listeners.
MJ
LBJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
Steph
Jokic is 13th at best right now.
@@jdankerdake except MJ that dude in a league by himself… Wish we could see that matchup… Team play via Joker vs the best individual with supporting cast.
Not yet.
Top 20 for sure
@jdankerdake good list. I also have Durant up there around Steph as well. I think Jokic is going to rapidly rise up into the 5-8 range over the next couple of years. Maybe higher. He's very playing at that level.
I loved when Dan asked him the question about how he would describe Wemby to someone who's never heard of him, and after all that buildup he goes "a more athletic Ralph Sampson".
Defining moments
I secretly wish for Jokic to three-peat and retire, that would be the greatest story in sports history 😂 And i wouldn't write off that possibility at all!
That's literally what Michael Jordan did though (twice), so we already have the greatest story in sports history I guess
@@jordanjenkins1671 Jordan is most competitive athlete in history. Jokic is just 42. pick who wants to be horse jockey, unluckily for him he is 7' 300lbs, so he cant. He must play basketball 😂
Jokic story have serious philosophical questions behind it maaan.
Jordan is just a GOAT Nikola is one of us 😎
@@jordanjenkins1671 - NAH, MJ is tainted. That 2nd three-peat never happens unless Stern buries the evidence of MJ gambling on the NBA and lying to federal authorities about consorting with gangsters and mobsters.
I think jokic gotta get 3 before anyone is taking Duncan or Bird out the top 10. But I don't think he loves basketball enough to play 10 more years.
Jokic loves basketball as much as anyone. He just does not like the media spectacle around basketball, he does not like being famous like Lebron or Curry do.
That narrative that he doesn’t love basketball is a complete fabrication.
He doesn’t care for the spotlight and the attention. He just wants to ball. He loves the sport.
@@borisfrlic think doncic can get in these top 20 lists... i think if he wins a chip or 2 maybe?
Jokic is the best at making at making other people better. The best teammate and role model for any team.
Depends on if his career lasts. He has around 500 fewer games than the guy with the most triple doubles in history yet is only about 50 behind him and is achieving them at a much faster rate. So if he can play another 5-6 seasons mostly injury free, he can pass by most of the records and reach that top spot in history.
you mean russel westbrook? do you thinbk westbrook is even top 50 all time player?
By result, he is one of the best ever.
He's already a top 10 player of all time. Anyone who says differently either doesn't watch Jokic's games or doesn't know ball. The real question is if he'll be the best player of all time.
Nope. The object of the game is to win. To talk about the greatest of the greats outside of that context in any sport is to mock the game itself. Don’t be impatient. Give it some time he’s looking amazing. But he’s got a ways to go. We’ll see if his psyche is strong enough to lead his team to a couple more championships. Then your wishful thinking will have more substance.
@@22tango79 John Stockton and Karl Malone did not win a championship but held major NBA records. Winning is dependent on key teammates. Winning is important but not decisive in determining greatness.
@@jimlee2414yes it still is. Because those two didn't win anything their all time rankings aren't as high as they could be.
at the end of this season, he will be 3x MVP. only 8 others players have done that, so yes, he will definitely be top 10
Jokic still behind Moses Malone who has 3 MVPs, 1 ring, 1 FMVP, 13 All-Stars, 8 All-NBA, 2 All-Def, and 6 rebound titles. Jokic just needs time to keep adding to his resume.
Joker is easy top 10 of All-Time
hes got the potential, but hes gotta win more rings. its possible. he reminds me a bit of tim duncan but tim also did it on the defensive end. Still early, but getting a repeat this year would definitely be a start
If he wins 5 or 6 chips. For sure.
Jokić very much does it on the defensive end, people are just catching on now
@@borisfrlic compared to Tim Duncan? ehhhh not even close right now. thats why I said he needs more time.
@@ryanr2630 Yes he is close. They play a different style of defence. Timmy's style was very obvious whereas Jokic's is a lot more nuanced and goes unseen to the unobservant eye.
Jokic's offense is better. Timmy's defence is better.
He's already top 10
He's literally impossible to guard
He is the best center of all time
He’s a GOAT bruh….
In terms of how good he is at this current level of play, he’s at the Kobe, MJ, Larry level.
In terms of resume of course he still has a bit to build to be considered a top 3 player. If he finishes with 4-5 MVP’s and 5-6 chips he’s top 3 all time.
it kinda is unfair to compare resumes. He is playing in Denver, not in LA or the Boston.
He likely would have 2 chips already if not for that one season where literally everyone was hurt...
It is only because of him they can attract some proper role players and became a somewhat attractive market to begin with.
Ask the mavs about these struggles when they tried to build around Dirk or now Luka.
So, i'd say, context matters in the resume department :)
Getting 4 or 5 chips in Denver will be way too hard to get nowadays.
@@feroxk.9266 How is it too hard to get if he's by far the best player in the league and the team will be together for the next 6-10 years? Remember I said top 3 all time. There's no "not fair". That's what greatness demands.
In 2024:
- Jackson is 33
- KCP is 31
- Jokic is 29
- Gordon is 29
- Murray is 27
- MPJ is 26
- Braun is 23
- Watson is 22
6 of those 8 will 100% still be playing in 6-7 years. MPJ, Braun, Murray, Watson will still be in their primes - and potentially Jokic too seeing as his style of play doesn't rely on explosiveness.
Gordon can come off the bench on a vet minimum.
I'm not saying they will but there is no reason this team is not challenging for championships for the next 5 years at a minimum.
@@borisfrlic we all know, NBA is controlled by narratives. Ask Embiid about his MVP.
B: Jamal Murray needs to stay healthy because as good as the team is, they need him to get to the finals. As far as i know, his condition is nothing that has a permanent fix.
C: Refs.
D: MPJs back.
E: Jackson is streaky af.
So many things can go wrong and will go wrong, alot of very good teams are around.
and of course, who knows how long Jokic will play to begin with? He might just leave the NBA when he has enough for himself.
Even Embid himself knows and said it . Last year MVP is joker not embid he got it out of pitty and other reasons . The numbers dont lie Joker got better numbers better team plays more games he straight up got snubbed for mvp
All-time PER, WS/48 and Box +/-. He's still got a long way to go and those stats may diminish, but he just passed MJ in all of those. If he wins another couple MVPs and another 2 or 3 FMVPs, it will be undeniable that he's in the top 5.
Scotty has had a standing Sunday morning t-time with Judge Smails at Bushwood Country Club for the last three decades.
At least he will be the greatest draft steal of the NBA!
When was the last tome a cwntre gerting closd to 10000 assists
Early to tell, but - if this current trajectory continues - Jokić will earn the Top 10 conversion rather decisively. His low-key style (lack of “flash”) will give the talking heads pause, but I think he has PLENTY of flash.
Yes.
At the end of this season he could have 3 MVPs, 2 FMVPs and 2 Championships
That would probably put him above Olajuwon
So he could be top 15 all time by the end of the season
5:33 Why do we need to take any of them out? Why do we even need these top 5, top 10 lists...? I would be perfectly happy if Jokic one day gets same recognition as people mentioned here. Gods of basketball standing at top of mount Olympus. And I'm happy to watch all that happening.
lol Durant has NO business in top 10 discussion. Get out of here. Jokic and Steph both will knock on door on top 10.
Kd is better than both of them. Steph isn’t even top 25 and Jokic isn’t even a top 10 center of all time with his lack of defense
He already has the assists record for centers and will break that 5x over before he retires,. He has another 8? years yet.
Yes - he wil surlely join Gervin, Alex English, mark Mcguire, Joe Dumars, Artis Gilmore, Russell Westbrook, Scottie Pippen, Mark Price as the 10th best ever
Bro can’t even make it to back to back finals he’s not top 10 until he does that. All the greats led their teams to multiple finals appearances in a row.Wilt, Bill Russell , Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, Larry Bird all LED their teams to at least back to back finals appearances
The way to judge top 10s is to ask a person to build a team of 10 players. Ten starters, ten bench players. Who do you pick if your goal is to win games?
Magic
Michael
Larry
Tim
Joker
Stockton
Kobe
Lebron
Garnett
Kareem
@@FortunateKidd I mostly approve of your list. Tho I'd swap out LeBron for Baylor or Durant at SF, depending on whether I want more of a facilitator and pest on D, or a scorer and length on D.
Magic
MJ
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Oscar
Kobe
Kd
Hakeem
Kareem
"What's your [Top 10] criteria?" If you can't name 10 players greater, then that player is top 10 all-time
Jordan/LeBron/Kareem/Magic/Bird/Wilt/Russell/Duncan/Shaq/Kobe
You can also argue Curry/Durant/Giannis/Hakeem
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI There are some good arguments for Curry and Hakeem, and I'm biased towards Hakeem so he might be in my top 10
KD and Dikembe had a baby who is somehow taller… That’s Victor
10 more years. 100 more records. 2 or 3 more Championships. 6 mvps. Best PER is history. More triple doubles than anyone. Assists second only to Stockton. Best stat line in Playoff history.
He will be in top 5 and might be GOAT over Jordan by the time he is done.
1) Sampson is a bad comparison. Just cause they’re lanky doesn’t mean they’re similar
2) if you have the option of drafting Joker or Embiid. There’s 100% a loser in that situation
3) only way Wemby doesn’t win an mvp is if he gets a serious injury in the future
Unless Wemby impedes Jokic rings and mvps which is unlikely Jokic is going to be top 7 for sure maybe top 5 or even top 3
If his career ended now(we don’t want that!) he would not be in the top 10. Let’s see what happens this year. He’s definitely on an excellent trajectory.
Its inevitable, his ceiling is top 3
Also not 1 word about Kobe...
IMO 3 rings+ are required for top 10. Jocik could get there, time will tell.
Right now Joker isnot top 10 of all time, but two more seasons like this and he will be top 10 of all time
Wilt Chamberlain didn’t dominate when he played, Bill Russell dominated.
Russell won championships - better teams. Chamberlain dominated whoever covered him and often entire teams. He also dominated Russell in the head to head.
Bill Russell Wilt Chamberlain
Pts.: 15.1 30.1
Reb. 22.5 22.9
Asst. 4.3 4.4
FG: .440 .561
Yeah when I think 15 points per game I think DOMINATION.
LMAO
I've seen pictures of Ralph Sampson. ZERO percent chance he was as tall as Wemby. As tall as Kareem at a maximum.
Ralph was 7’4” my boy. Hastings comparison was the best I’ve heard so far. However, Hastings said wembys a more athletic version of Sampson, whereas I’d say wemby is Ralph Sampson with unlimited range. I think that’s a better characterization.
He _isn't_ 7'4" ! Find me any picture of Ralph where he looks taller than Kareem or significantly taller than Hakeem. Because I promise you, Wemby would dwarf all of those guys. @@rorydougherty
I’ve seen him in person at a farmers market.. he’s a tower.. haven’t seen Wemby in person, but also have never seen anyone as tall as Sampson in my life..
2 more rings to get there. Who’s he bumping out? Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan? MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Russell and Magic’s spots are locked.
Exactly..
That commenter likely fairly young.
Who do you bump out (top ten) for Joker?
He’s in top 20 for sure, imo (and climbing)
LBJ is only a top 10 player on paper. He’s manipulated himself into that false position.
In reality he is not one of the 10 greatest players of all time. In all odds not even trop 15.
Name 10 hall of famers with 4 rings, four finals mvps, and 4 regular season mvps. And then tell me where they rank in scoring, assist, and rebounds.
@@chestermallory395 Like I said, ON PAPER he is. He's stacked the deck to make things way easier for himself.
In reality / on actual ability he is not one of the 10 best players. He's never passed the eye test.
@borisfrlic
First, I don't think Lebron is the Goat. Second, you restating you first argument doesn't answer the question I asked. Define what the Goat is? Define what a great player is? Eye tests are subjective. Why should anyone's eye test be better than someone else's? And on what basis should your eye test be the standard for eye test? Even Skip Bayless has Lebron in the top ten with his undefined eye test. You said "on paper." What does that even mean?
Jokic is not in the top ten yet. Kevin Durant is nowhere near that list, I don't know why he was even mentioned. Joker has more chance of ending up on the top 10 greatest of all time compared to KD.
Dan you have 17 players in your top ten man 😂😂
Simple logic dictates in 70+ years half the top 10 “everyone” knows will never get knocked off, should be knocked off. So these arguments are silly. Just like the top 10 certainly looked differently 40 years ago with Jordan still in college and Bird and Magic not there yet.
We really need to stop ranking by numbers and just tier list them. All of these guys we rank around 4-12 are S tier. MJ, Bron, and Kareem go to S+/GOAT tier.
@@jwc7215 Dude, you cracked it, seriously... Tier listing would be the way to go.
Nikola jokic, the goat. 💯 %.
Jokic is amazing. No doubt. But what would he do in an era against David Robinson, Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon?
He would do great because of how crazy skilled he is. If he can drop 42 on a 7'4" wemby or own an athletic Anthony Davis, etc. He would score, rebound and get assists on the others, too.
Yes he would ahaha
@@jimlee2414Davis is not a natural centre in the old era. Maybe today. Jokic would struggle to score. But would get double assists and influence the game in other ways. Just look at how Jokic did against Howard. Got blocked constantly. As Barkley said, there are only two centres in the NBA today. That’s why Jokic stands out.
@@jimlee2414Wemby is not a natural centre. He would get bullied by either of the three natural centers I mentioned inside the paint. Although I see Wemby on his way to becoming something special.
2 chips more at least, then we talk.
Jocic is also xhamging tgd gamd fircwbtres now centres asdists are going up to play kije nikola abd 3 ball
Are you taking the Shaq out With 5 MVPs and 2 finals MVPs without Kobe caliber teammate? Yeah! 💯
Already is
Dan..just call him Wemby.
Easier (last name pronunciation is tricky, for sure)
If he was black they would say he needs to get in shape.
why is dan pushing so hard against jokic being in the top ten.
Will Joker become a top 10 all time player? news flash, he already is.
The Steph love is just by default in sports media. Why would u just try to insert him in this lists and debates and push the narrative ? Dude has been great but come on!
Same with LeChoke and ESPECIALLY KD.
@@borisfrlic literally NO😂 The guy you called LeChoke (u probably Steph fan, which is almost an insult at to human mental ) is straight out of high school phenom who is playing for 20 years more consistently great then anyone ever, is leading the all time scoring list, has finals MVP with 3 different franchises and has 9- straight finals appearances and 10 overall if if i remember correctly. So if you have some common sense you might put him in GOAT debate. And KD is just one of the most talented players in game history-period. I wish he got some more love, but Steph fans won’t do it for obvious reasons.
LUKA MVP
Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, LeBron, Kobe, Russell, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Steph, Robertson … Jerry west does not belong on this list.
How could you leave the player closest to a perfect basketball player ever outside of the Top 10 All Time? I mean lets face it, anyone who played NBA2K have created a tall do-it-all guy with the highest shooting percentage and off the charts basketball awareness and IQ.
Jordan
Jokic
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron
Bird
Duncan
Olajuwon
he has 1 championship. he not better than curry, jordan, lebron, duncan, kobe, bird, erving wilt, kareem, russell. he’s not getting pass those guys. list could go on… but we’re stuck in this triple double narrative. I get it’s amazing but that offense is built for him to dish it out and max those stats. how can he be the best but when embiid on the floor he’s not the best?
If he wins another Championship this season he’ll already pass Kevin Durant. He’ll have 3 MVP’s and 2 titles by the end of the season.
He already passed durant.
Durants chips are worthless
Dan Patrick senile takes
Kevin Durant - no chance top 10
He needs 5 rings 5 mvps and he's top 3 center ever
Dont get the hype.
There's like 100 players that are top 10 in these stupid conversations.
never lol
Curry is a mediocre defender and a career 5 Reb/6.5 assist guy. He’s also sub 25ppg at 47% shooting (and dropping). Top 20 because of the 3s and winning but top 10 is a joke. NO ONE with an IQ over room temp would take him over MJ, LeBron, Kobe, Bird, or Magic. That means you have to dump Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq or Duncan for a one dimensional player who never had to play a game on a bad team.
GTFO…..
The best scorer ever is Wilt, and he was the best defender ever. He blows Jordan away. Look at the number of 50 and 60 points Wilt had. Nobody is close. Not to mention his 70 point games. He's also the ONLY center in NBA history to ever lead the league in assists. 5
Joker absolutely can wind up being top 10. I'd still trade him for Wemby straight up.
That would be BEYOND foolish. Wemby will never match Jokers impact. Jokic impact on advanced metrics, only MJ is close. LeBron in his prime didn't match Jokers impact metrics. Which matches with on the court reality. LeBron had to run to two other top 10 players just to win, and still lost year 1 because "the bench was bad", Jokers current bench is WORSE than that heat bench and he's still favored for a repeat title, without another all-star. Nobody in league history has done that, and LeBron has proven he couldn't do that. Wemby will never do that either.
@@daddyfuse50 Jokic is definitely on a top ten trajectory. I'm a fan of the man. He still has a bit to do to get into the all time top ten.
@@daddyfuse50Wemby’s impact could be even greater because of his defense. He’s already a top 2 or 3 defender in the league and could become the best defensive player of all time while averaging 28-30+ points. He’s averaging basically 21/11/4/4 in 29 minutes as a 20 year-old rookie on a trash team. How much better is Jokic now than he was at 20? Wemby’s going to get better. Jokic will play how much longer at an elite level? 6 years? Wemby could play 15+.
Jokic is much better on defense than people give him credit for. Also, with his playing style he could easily play into his late 30’s, early 40’s. Wendy’s frame will be lucky to endure his playing style for more than five or six years, tops. At that point, he’s going to really have to become much more reliant upon his low post game. Trading an all-time great at the apex of his prime for a phenom who hasn’t proven himself is one of the more foolish, “slave to the moment” takes ive ever seen!?!
Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history so that’s not saying much
Nuggets fans don't realize a lot
Scott Hastings drunk asf
Joker is the weakest MVP and is never going to be in the top ten knock off the Homer talk
You clearly don't know anything about basketball calling Jokic "the weakest MVP" haha. Jokic averaged 30-12.5-9.5 in this last playoff run and was the first player to lead all players in the playoffs in NBA history in points, assists, and rebounds. He also has 3 of the 4 highest box plus minuses in NBA history and he has done that in the last 4 years. His career box plus minus is also the highest of all time above MJ at 2 and Lebron at 3. Stop embarrassing yourself haha
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You clearly don't know anything about basketball calling Jokic "the weakest MVP" haha. Jokic averaged 30-12.5-9.5 in this last playoff run and was the first player to lead all players in the playoffs in NBA history in points, assists, and rebounds. He also has 3 of the 4 highest box plus minuses in NBA history and he has done that in the last 4 years. His career box plus minus is also the highest of all time above MJ at 2 and Lebron at 3. Stop embarrassing yourself haha
You know nothing about basketball
you have the basketball knowledge of a child.
He already is but Luka is better
Yes. Jokic is Magic AND Bird AND Hakeem AND Duncan. He's now #1 in career PER, #1 in career Box plus minus, #1 in career win shares per 48. That's #1 in the nearly 80 year history of the league in ALL of those categories. Ahead of Jordan, ahead of LeBron, ahead of Wilt and Russell and Magic and Bird and Curry and Kareem and EVERYONE EVER. He's not just gonna be "in the top 75, 30, 10, choose your number". He's the GOAT. Sorry if that makes you sad or angry. Truth is truth. "But he's only won 1 chip and 2 MVPs". For now. Just wait. And realize that the Jamal Murray ACL and MPJ back issues cost the Nuggets a legit shot at last year being potentially the Nuggets 3rd chip in a row AND COUNTING.
MJ had the same thing with his team being decimated by injuries before they were finally healthy and won.
Joker is best player currently and will eventually be the best player ever
Hastings is a great guy. Joker absolutely could get into the top 10 ever! Not there yet, but the opportunity is there.