I wish I'd seen this review before I bought mine. Like you, I've had exactly the same problems with it not cutting square - in fact I thought the problem was me! The biggest fault I've found with it is the fence moving around at the 'free' end. It's awful. I've had this for about six months and I'm thinking about returning it as not fit for purpose.
Having exactly the same issues with exactly the same table, except it's being sold under the brandname PowerPlus (the Netherlands). Can't say if the motor is the same (which is doing well basically), but the table is absolutely the same, with all it's flaws. I replaced the insert and made a better fitting slider for the crosscut bar. Still looking for a replacement for the side bar though. A thing you did not mention was the flatness of the table. Both side tables were a little to high on the outside ends and could not be lowered. I adjusted the construction to make it perfectly flat. So after a lot of work the table is doing fine, but I wish I had noticed your review first :-).
Hi, yes this saw is rather disappointing even for an entry level diyer's saw. I was going to make a new insert plate for mine, but in the end I just decided to sell the saw on. The table on mine was really flat, so didn't have an issue there. One thing that did help was to make a table saw sledge.
I've had mine since April this year and I found the fence solid when locked down, although I wish it was full length. I use an aluminum bar clamp for longer pieces. You are right about the sliding miter gauge - useless. Also, I found I had to really force the blade angle to get 90 degrees. I keep tripping up over the front stabilizer bars. But I have done a lot of DIY with it and its so much easier to cut with this than a jigsaw which was all I had before. I wanted the RAGE version but was £100 more. I've made a cross-cut sled for accurate cuts. Its ok for DIY.
Hi David, I found the fence was solid for about 6 - 8 months, then when I was cutting a large piece of plywood I noticed it had moved 3mm from front to back, then it continued to get worse. I put it down to the clamp part wearing. I made a cross cut sled also, which replaced the mitre gauge. But, I have the Rage 5s now, what an improvement that is, in my opinion its worth the extra money, just for the fence and the sliding panel. I did also recently review that saw.
A good honest review , the fence is basically useless , the measure tape is inaccurate, and the crosscut sled poorly fits and wobbles, motor is great blade is ok , otherwise this machine really is not fit for purpose, I have had this saw for 3 years, I removed the fence , legs and striped it down and mounted the body in a custom built work bench and built my own fence and cross cut sled after only using it for 3 months to make it usable , but out of the box it is useless and i would recommend using the money and getting a track saw instead
wish I'd seen this before I bought. I did exactly the same thing, bought a rage mitre saw (really love it) and the circular saw (one of the best I've owned) so thought the table saw would be good too. The fence is atrocious, so much so that I've removed it completely and use a price of box steel now. The extension wings keep moving no matter how many times I align and tighten. You are correct with it being the same carcass. I owned a scheppach (bought a few years ago as my first table saw for £125.00 off amazon) and thought I'd upgrade a little to the rage. The outer carcass and frame are exactly the same! In retrospect I wouldn't buy this and would use my circular saw while I saved up for a dewalt (which is what I'm currently doing). Great vid by the way 👏👏👏👏👏👏
It's unfortunate that the saw has all these issues, but because the motor I found to have good power. I did think of buying better upgrades for it before selling it. I do have the evolution rage 5s table saw, which is a fsr superior saw then this one.
I almost bought this. Glad I didn't I paid a little extra for the einell tc-ts 2225 for £200 and is possibly the cheapest one I've seen with a fence which clips on both sides. I havent used it much yet but the results so far have been amazing. The only problem with it is it has a shite metre gauge (like this one) plenty of play so I may buy something which would work better! I simply can't go out an buy an expensive one and especially what I want it for. Great video regardless! I just dont get why they bring these products out and not come with a fence which goes all the way to the end......
Thank you for your video. It was brilliant review. I didn't know EVOLUTION would do a such generic products and claiming as their own products. All this time I thought they were a particular brand. I was wrong. I should have seen your review first before buying this table saw EVOLUTION RAGE 5-S. The problem you've shown are correct. Even my one (the guide) doesn't move freely like your one. It should have been one end to the other, so that it would give cutting measurement same all the way.
Thanks, I think you have your models mixed up though, this is the fury 5S, I now have the rage 5s which is a much better and usable table saw. But yes, I didn't think evolution would be selling a generic type saw like this, that did really disappoint me
To be honest James I've looked at the new saw several times but no one has done an in depth review as far as I can see I'm watching your review atm and I may give them another go
Thanks very much Chris, I'm very happy with the rage 5s, I've used it loads in the time I've had it, and apart from the the t slots not being a standard size, I can't fault it
I agree with this review, but I think it was worth the money I paid. I addressed the issues James has highlighted by making my own table inserts and a couple of cross cut sleds. As for the wobbly fence, if I am looking for accuracy, I clamp it down at the back of the table as well as the front.
@@JamesManCave You are quite right, it is not a professional users tool. Something i have been concerned about recently is the blade provided with the M/c quotes a max speed of 2750 rpm where-as the M/c runs at 3250 rpm. I know it runs slower than some saws to allow it to cope with nails and metal etc. But, whats going on ? I would expect the figures on blade and M/c to match up.
Very useful review, I was undecide between this and the Rage 5-S (also an owner of the Evolution Mitre saw... Great product) This has helped me decide the extra money for the Rage is well worth it.
Hi thank I was thinking about buying this one , I think I will not bother now, The problem I’m having is it seems very hard to get things like this right now,
I want to buy a cheap table saw primarily for cutting 3m wood into strips fpr making trellises..Would you say the Titan is cheap and cheerful and COULD repeatedly just rip wood?.
For that process you want a saw with a decent rip fence. Suggest one with a full length fence, not like the one on this saw. The titan is an identical saw in terms of design and build, the only difference with be the motor and accessories
Yes, I've seen the scheppach one also. I virtually had it confirmed that this is just a basic generic saw that complies with British safety standards that all companies make
well yeh, of course, they are the same they all probably come from the same Chinese manufacturer and as you said they then put their own motor and colour
@@JamesManCave the table saw is ok as is but it does need a zero clearance insert if you are doing a lot of rip cuts or 1 blade dados the bar under the plate makes it tricky as f£%k to make said 0 clearance insert but not impossible
@@leedraven20 I made one for my evolution rage 5 table saw, the same insert plate I think from memory as the one on this saw. There's a video of it on my channel
@@JamesManCave the rage and fury are slightly different there's like 2-3mm between the side suports and the bar to the left of the blade. Might just take the drimmel to it and see how it turns out what's the worst that could happen.
Got the same saw, it's dreadful, doesn't cut square even when set up with care, blade is thin and oscillates so very poor finish! Guides wobble in the rails and the fence flexes. A saw that does not cut square is useless. And it is LOUD! very, very noisy.
Big no no with a table say is a rip fence like this ! ALWAYs buy one with a full length rip fence that tightens against bed on both ends ,lumberjack saws are cheaper and have a good rip febce with extendable table too
Well that may be tge case, but here in the UK lumberjack saws are not available, and diy entry level saws like this one is don't come with a full length fence. Most if not all tge saws around this price range are identical
@@paulmooney1833 yes I'm aware of the site saw, but as I've mentioned, it's still and identical saw body and top as this saw, which I'd rather stay away from.
I didn't have any blade run out issues, but the mitre slots did cause me problems as they are a non standard size. I sold the saw on eBay about a month after making this review
Dont buy this saw my table top has warped over time also somehow the blade moves out of square when I adjust it to 45° you get what you pay for in my honest opinion a table saw is one of the most used tools so its where the biggest investment should be
Good honest review. I had been thinking about getting one for the same reason you did, Ive got an Evolution mitre saw which is magic! Might need to rethink? Thanks.
No problem, Im glad to have experienced this saw, as I now know what to look out for. For your information, I have the evolution rage 5s now, a much better product
I own the titan/screwfix version of this saw and I tell you the blade guard, fence, and throat plate are vastly superior. The fence is as solid as can be (0 drift, very strong adjustable lockdown) and adjustable length for various indeed and outfeed requirements, no only that but the fence is covered in T track allowing you to mount your own attachments suck as indeed rollers and fence extensions. The blade guard provides much better coverage of the blade and is very easy to add or remove with just a spring loaded pin holding it to the riving knife. The throat playe is very sturdy but obviously if you desire 0 clearance you can make your own plate
Good review, you get what you pay for I guess. But still worth the price maybe, all the fences and guides on these cheap saws seem to be a bit rubbish. Thanks
Don't know if you still have this table saw but if you do you should check out this aftermarket fence see link www.charnwood.net/products/product/rip-fence-upgrade-for-w619-w619psf/category_pathway-224 I picked up the Evolution Fury 5-s Table saw a couple of years ago and the fence like you said is crap However this aftermarket one fits perfectly and works like a dream ( Rock steady) and "very" well made. NO I don't work for them and it's not an affiliate link and you can find it on Amazon too, just came across your video and thought I would offer this up. Cheers and nice review
I have exactly the same saw sold by Lidl under the name Parkside. The problem with the guide is huge, I’ve extended the aluminium guide to full width, Each and every time I measure relatively to the saw blade front and rear. A lot of work but I manage to make straight cuts. Today I’ve resawn some pallet boards and it workd like a charm. I consider this saw good value for money.
Nico Bogaard great that's good to hear it worked for you. I to made a full length fence from pieces of plywood, clamped it down with a f clamp and worked well for me. Didn't included it with the review as not part of the original saw
James' Man Cave when I bought mine cheapest place was b&q I paid £169 for mine I'm cleaning mine up today and she's going for sale already sold my mitre saw too so I'll be getting a decent table saw with the money
you are right...I just bought a JCB from b&q it's the same as evolution ..I think you just pay for the name.....it's like buy trainers or clothes.....they need to sort things out for the price.....well made...thumbs up...
@@JamesManCave I was so attempted to buy this table saw, but before I do let me check out some youtube videos. Your video came to be far best detailed review out there. Keep it up James.. top man 👍
Thank you for an honest review. One can fix the accuracy and obviously safety issues by building your own cross-court sled. Look up 'How to make a Cross-Cut Sled', The Wood Whisper or Matthew Cremona on TH-cam. Not to complicated and certainly worth the effort.
Hi, thanks for the comment. You will see in some of my other videos that I did build a cross cut sledge. And it worked fine. But for the many cuts I wanted to make with large sheets/lengths of wood the fence just wasn't up to the job
thanks for the update im not keen on the evolution product iv owned, i almost bought this t/saw about a year ago but was put of with the experience i had with the mitre saw,i bought myself a pingtek t/saw which is a rebranded scheppach hs105 and im really pleased with it it has a couple of things which i find annoying but on the whole am really pleased with it
I know this is an old video but who in their right mind would think this piece of junk that is being passed off as a table saw is worth spending money on?
People who may only need a table saw for 1 project, people who may not have the budget for any thing else, and then people like me, who wasn't sure if a table saw would be something I needed so didn't want to waste a load of money on a more expensive one if I didn't have the need for it. Budget tools, have there needs for many people
Ive got a dewalt dw745 which is one of the more expensive jobsite table saws you can get and it came with a very similar rubbishy miter gauge so i think thats par for the coarse. Its got a metal insert plate with is 1000x better than that one but falls a bit short of being nice and flush with the table top. You should make a zero clearance insert if you want nice cuts anyway though. The fence on mine is amazing though, i would recommend it if you want to replace your saw.
lettersandnumbers81 hi, thanks for the great comment. I did make a zero clearance insert plate, but I left it out in the rain by mistake, and as it was made of plywood it warped a fair bit. I have now sold this saw and have the much better spec evolution jobsite saw
Thanks mate you have confirmed what I was thinking that these saws all come out of the same mould So I’ll keep saving my pennies to get a real one cheers.
I bought one six weeks ago - before I knew of the reviews - and I’ve found exactly the same problems. The mitre guide and the fence are shoddy manufacture and wobble. I just dont use them. Made my own fence from a plank of pine and two clamps. Also took off the extenders as getting them exactly lined up for level is a pain. Agree with all the other comments. Especially the supposedly “different” brands of what appears to be the same saw.
Been in the market for a new table saw. Like you, have been impressed with the mitre saws evolution makes. For the price point of this table saw, was fully expecting the fence wobble even before you got to that point in the video. I think that cross cut fence is too 'plasicky' as well. If only they could spend another $50 on production costs in improving these aspects, you could have a decent little diy table saw for those handful of projects through the year. As the adage goes, you get what you pay for. Thanks for posting mate...
Not problem, I was quite disappointed in this saw when I came to use it. However, the next saw up that evolution produce (rage5 s) is a much better performing table saw, it has a sliding panel which works really well, and both sides slide out giving it a much wider table.
I agree with your comments, I've berated Evolution guys at trade shows for the poor construction. You didn't mention the guide slots - they are some weird size - not the standard 3/4 inch T-Slot, just channels spot welded under the table top. The motor doesn't soft start - my Evolution mitre saw does - would it really add much to the price? The fence is appalling, I've made up a full-depth fence by stacking plywood enclosing the aluminium support, I've bolted a length of extruded T-Track to the back of the table, and have two Woodpecker mitre clamps running in that: once the fence is aligned, two quick twists and its not going anywhere. The biggest issue for me though is the blade alignment, when I got it, the blade was nowhere near parallel to the guide slots - 3 millimetres difference between the font and back. The only way to adjust it is to loosen the four screws around the plastic guard, jam a screwdriver in at the top and pull one way, tighten one screw then jam the screwdriver in the near end and lever the other way, tighten the other three. Now I can trim off 0.5 mm slivers from the work piece. I've also added some 50x50 extensions to the legs, I found it was about 120mm too low, and I'm not that tall - 5 foot ten (I know - mixing units). They make a big thing of being able to cut wood, steel aluminium etc with one blade. Its not made of Mythril - cut a piece of steel and your wood cuts wont be clean any more. Oh and people complain about the frame - when assembling it, put some Locktite thread locking compound on the machine screws - then they wont shake loose. In summary - the old adage is true - buy cheap, buy twice.
Wow, that's a comment! Yes I agree the whole construction of the saw needs a rethink. I didn't mention the slot, as I made a sledge for it so I was happy to use that in the slots and didn't have another need for them. Have you tried contacting evolution via there website about the problems? I've dealt with them quite a bit now, and they really like to know about your experiences with there tools and any upgrades you have made to them.
@@JamesManCave I've enjoyed so many woodworking videos on utoob I've been thinking about doing one myself - how I "fixed" it. I also have some comments about the mitre saw - the dust management is a joke, and its LOUD - screaming metal, much worse than others I've heard. Its Screwfix Live ( Farnborough ) next week, I'm going to look around at the opposition, maybe give Evolution a link to the utoob.
I bought the Titan from Screwfix and the fence is useless. It was quite an easy job to make my own out of wood which has improved the saw. I also have used the UJK clamps from Axminster tools as a fence.
Thanks Andy, no fish in it. It's exclusively built for my ducks to enjoy. Yes the saw wasn't the best. But, I think if you wanted a rough rip saw, then this is probably all it's good for
Excellent review James. The one thing you didn’t say is that the blade guard prevents you from cutting thin material without having the blade disproportionately high...Their own instructions recommend having the blade set at 1/8th inch over the height of the material being cut, but this jams anything less than 3/4” high at this tolerance... it’s a really bad design flaw, which to my knowledge they have never done anything about. Anyone know any mods other than taking the guard off?
The fence design is pathetic.It should engage opposite side or clamp down firm but however designed this obviously was not a wood worker.It looks cheap Chinese crap.
Gonna move soon into a new house and was looking for a good saw for flooring but also for future projects. Was considering Evolution Fury 5-s as the best option around, I'm glad I found your video - thanks for the Rage 5-S tip!
There's a real opportunity for someone to make a fence kit that locks at both ends. I'm using a straight/true piece of 45x70mm spruce that I lock with speedclamps but even that isn't ideal. Great review for any potential buyers.
I bought the same saw from Aldi £89.99...sorry. Also my insert plate is much better by the looks of it, it’s metal with a single flush screw holding it in place. I was really worried about my fence before it arrive, so far it’s really stiff but I don’t see that lasting. I think I will end up getting a better third party fence. I’ve only just got it and I haven’t checked my arbour size, but I do want some kerf blades, a standard and thin. I don’t know if you mentioned your motor size but mine is 2kw. I like your reviews, they are always honest and reasonable. You never say your saw/pillar drill is the best thing since sliced bread and then you never say it's a worthless pile of… you say what you like and what you don’t and it’s always a very considered opinion.
Thank you Mark, I try to inform people of what I have found useful and the things that were not. It's not my job to sell the item to someone, just to inform you all of my opinions, then hopefully you can make your own minds up from it.
James' Man Cave I’m a newbie, I'm using that as an excuse for everything I get for at least the next two years. This is the one I bought, it looks the same in most aspects to me, but I might be wrong as I am a newbie 😂😂😂 www.aldi.co.uk/search?text=Table%20saw&category=ALL
@@JamesManCave saw a video of some guy breaking down a titan one and building it into a flush bench with a bigger fence. Something to think about rather than forking out for a cabinet sized one. 👍👍. Cheers for the swift reply James. Best regards - James
The titan saw isn't quite the same, I unfortunately own one. I'm sure they are very similar however the table top on the evolution is flat, on the titan it's,, erm,, featured... not in a good way makes cutting accurately harder. The Titan doesn't have rack and pinion angle adjustment either, it's sloppy and wildly inaccurate. To be honest no matter how bad you think that evolution saw is, the Titan is far far worse :) .. Oh and the mitre accessory, why are table saw manufacturers incapable of making a decent mitre slide, my Titan bandsaw has a rock solid mitre slide, I just don't get what their problem is.
I guess in this day and age, it's just get the product made and get it out of the door into the shops as fast as possible. Some people will put up with, some people will make adjustments and there own improvements and some, might send it back?🥴
Very helpful review, thanks for taking the trouble to make it. I love my Evolution mitre saw and so was drawn to their table saw but will now think twice.
@@JamesManCave James Watched it last night, very helpful video again. Looks a much better bit of kit but of course for a higher price tag. What I don't understand is that they make the cheaper models with such poor fences. Surely the key thing about a table saw is accuracy against the fence so properly anchoring it is essential - why do they produce kit which fails in this regard on every review you read? regards Chris
Sorry Chris, didn't get a notification you had replied. If you do a bit of research, you will find all the cheap table saws are of the same design, with a different motor fitted, and branded with the companies logo. I think they must all share one design that meets UK H&S law
It's a shame really, because it certainly has enough power to cut through most things, and it's a good size for what I wanted it for. I know have the evolution rage 5s table saw, and that is much better
@@JamesManCave The saw itself is great, I use mine a lot as I make lightboxes for the back of truck cabs , as well as businesses and personal use. (I am a trucker as well as a woodwork enthusiast.) Check out my page on Facebook Light Box Logos. The table itself is so flimsy and was knocked out of shape within a week of using it! I have never used any of the add-ons that came with it. I am considering making a new table top to house it in, rather than buying a new one.
@@JamesManCave Yes i read good things about that, i ended up ordering this one www.amazon.co.uk/ParkerBrand-PTS-250-High-Power-Table/dp/B01N7V8587/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=table+saw+pts-250&qid=1596043735&sr=8-1 Like most cheapies it will need the fence and mitre fence tweaking but nice frame and motor apparently.
Over here in Asia, we have Joustman, Jifa, Mistari, Worcraft, etc ..... and they all look very much similar ... :-) Evolution sounds better though ....
Hey, first comment I'm aware off from Asia! 😁 Yes there are many saws that are nearly identical to this one, only difference I can see is the power of the motors, and the colour
Thanks for the honest review James. Have checked out your other videos and Subscribed to your Channel. Ahem, they named it Fury for a reason ! After watching several table saw reviews I am tempted to buy a Titan Band saw instead. Serves my needs better. I was admiring the cladding on your shed as well as the background towards the end. Is that the interior? What cladding did you use mate, and where did you buy it? Hope you reply soon 😊
Sorry for the delayed reply, I didn't get a notification. The cladding on the shed is a ship lap style cladding that I bought from Travis Perkins. And the interior at the end, unfortunately isn't the inside of my shed, it's the wall paper in my living room👌
Im having the same problem aswel. I can't afford anything to really get a fancy one so i guessing ill have to modify mine and make some jigs to go along. best of luck James and thanks for the video.
Hi mate, I guess if you invest your time improving this saw then you could get it to perform much better. I never had any issues with the power of the motor, just the bolt on bits 👍
I chose the Evolution table saw for exactly the same reason as you, and totally agree it's not on par with the evolution chop saw. I feel ripped off having paid over the top for what I thought would be a good quality product. We learn, and choose our next purchases based on experience, and it won't be an Evolution product, mass produced in China most likely.
Unfortunately this was one of those buys I wish I hadn't of rushed into making. However, the evolution rage 5s, be it a £100 more, is a huge step up from this, and worth a look at
Top review here mate, funny what you say about the rip fence wobbling, I noticed this too and asked evolution if there was a fence available that locked both ends which there isn't. They noted my feedback though, we may see a fix on the next model. Definitely an issue on this one though.
Thanks, the older version of this table had a different fence, same length buy chunkier metal and profile, that looking at the display models I saw was far more sturdier then the fence this saw came with. They have recently (6-8months ago) updated this saw and yet again it came with the short Flexi fence fitted to it
just had mine delivered today am quite happy up to the point that the main table top at the back is slightly bent by 5-8 mm at rear left side not sure if it the manufacture fault or it got damage in transit and 3 of the table extension bolts snap in half after tightening them up.i will have to phone them up in the morning about it. apart from my small issues it looks great all the blade alignment's is spot on out the box and i only paid less than £145 for it new ,like you i also own a an Evolution mitre saw and i can't fault it one of the best mitre saws i have own
Glad to hear your happy with it so far, but doesn't sound great about the bolts or the bent table. I expect evolution will ask you to send the whole thing back. I've noticed they have made a few minor upgrades to this saw since I bought mine, so hopefully yours performs a lot better then mine did
James full marks for the review I bought the same saw 3yrs ago and have never been satisfied with it i had 3 saws delivered all with unacceptable damage I finally accepted the 4th one even though it was still slightly damaged I finally set it up trying very hard to get a decent cut but to no avail I made a new fence which gave a square straight cut but the blade is impossible to set square without a lot of messing and the flimsy table is cheap tin plate I wish now In hind sight I'd have paid proper money for a proper saw totally dissatisfied its true pay cheap pay twice
Hi Chris, thanks. Yes it's really disappointing the quality of this saw, been really happy with my evolution stuff up till I got this saw, and the more I used it, the more I didn't like it. I have got the the evolution rage 5s table saw, which is night and day better
Thanks for the honest review. I'm looking for a first table saw and I wonder if this might be OK if I make a new fence upgrade and a zero clearance insert. What do you reckon?
Hi, well you could make all that, and a sledge to use on it also, but what I would say is that this model is identical to most other budget table saws, and some of them are £30/£40 cheaper then this, so might be something else to consider
Cheers mate for the review. U saved me time and money. I have the evolution circular saw and evolution compound miter saw so i was drawn to the table saw too but now i will go for the titan table saw. Thanks mate
Hi mate, I'm 99% sure that the titan is exactly the same saw as this one just painted a different colour. If you can afford it, I'd recommend the evolution rage 5-s, which is the table saw model up from this one, but a much much better saw, I've had mine 3 years now and it's really good
Merci pour cette vidéo. Je possède cette scie, mais je ne sais pas comment changer la lame ? Pourriez-vous nous faire une petite vidéo sur cette manipulation ? Merci beaucoup à l'avance !
Hi, it is very simple to change the blade. Remove the insert plate, then you can see the bolt in the arbour of the motor, use both spanners provide on the bolt (one holds the arbour the other undoes the bolt) and it will pop straight out
Great review and thanks for your honesty. I was considering this table or the bigger brother, the Rage 5-S. Do you regret not getting the Rage 5-S or even a different model and spending a few extra £?
Hi, thanks. At the time I didn't know if would need or use a table saw that much at all, so at first I was happy, but as time went on I learnt about the importance of things being right due to the issues with this saw. I did sell it on in the end and only lost £30
If I hadn't of bought this saw, then I wouldn't have appreciated just how much better the evolution rage 5s is. I also had the Ryobi folding worksite saw, that wasn't a bad saw, but I found it a little short for me (I'm 6ft) so had to stoop when using it, and although that had a decent table top, it was a lot smaller area then the rage 5s has
It's £249.99 in Screwfix. Ignore Amazon's price for it, it's not usually over £300, they had it on offer for £220 in February. Yes, I think it's worth the extra investment, the extendable wings and the sliding panel make it a really versatile saw
Got the orange version of this saw and have the same issues, the fence is bad and if I could get that sorted I wouldn’t mind but until then seems useless
I don't know too much about the orange version, only came out about 6 months ago, and I've not seen one yet. But looking at the pictures it looks the same as this one. I was hoping it would be better then the green version, but it seems not. Thanks for the info 👍
@@JamesManCave its identical. But as its only 6 months old don't think I'll be able to return it for been crap. And costing for a new one so soon. Might try and save it though if cannot be returned.
So glad I seen this review. I have a small cabinet project next year and was set on getting this saw. But now I'm not sure. Like you, I don't want to spent DeWalt money as I know I won't get the full use out of it. so if you or any of your subscriber's can recommend a similar product for similar money. I'd be grateful. Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks for the comment, I have done a review of the evolution rage 5s table saw. Which is what I replaced this with. It's £100 more on screwfix website, but in my opinion it's well worth the extra money. From my research and feedback, most of the table saws around this price range are all made from the same patteren/design and just rebranded.
That table saw in the video is a diy model, the evolution rage 5s is the professional version of this! The orange evolution tools are trade rated, green ones are diy rated, Maybe this is why it falls behind spec compared to your sliding mitre saw 👍
Yes, this I know. I have the rage 5s. My dad had the green version of the mitre saw, except it was the 210 version, and that was very similar quality to my orange miter saw, unfortunately I had it confirmed this is a generic model shared by many manufacturers
@@JamesManCave I'm currently watching your review on the rage 5s! As I'm looking at buying it this week, would you recommend so! I'm limited on space and budget
@@jamiebroughan I would very much yes, quick and easy to set up from being folded away. I took my time setting it up and it's spot on. I really find the expandable wings (which I thought was a bit of novelty) super helpful.
@@JamesManCave cool! I'm definitely going to go ahead with my purchase, thanks a million for your reply, it has made my decision easier. My only doubt has been the 25.4mm bore for blades! As I've already built a collecting of blades with 30mm bore
I bought a 60t blade, and used that on there. I didn't have an issue with it cutting anything, the issue is around the rest of the poor construction of the saw. I no longer have it, and evolution sent me the much better site table saw
@@JamesManCavei don't use the foot of this table for the first day and make some tuning on the guide and some others shit directly so i'm happy with that product. You get what you've payed, Bosch make more better products but the Price is not the same... When you buy that kind of products, you know you need to make something for have a good satisfaction.
@@JamesManCave no pain no gain, i'm ok, when you buy it, it's à piece of shit but if you do what is needed you can make some good job with that shit (for a better cost than buy à Bosch product), if you didn't need some precision material.
I wish I'd seen this review before I bought mine.
Like you, I've had exactly the same problems with it not cutting square - in fact I thought the problem was me! The biggest fault I've found with it is the fence moving around at the 'free' end. It's awful.
I've had this for about six months and I'm thinking about returning it as not fit for purpose.
Thanks for the info. I was about to buy one, now having second thoughts.
So close to buying this until I watched your video. Thank you so much for your efforts!
Having exactly the same issues with exactly the same table, except it's being sold under the brandname PowerPlus (the Netherlands). Can't say if the motor is the same (which is doing well basically), but the table is absolutely the same, with all it's flaws. I replaced the insert and made a better fitting slider for the crosscut bar. Still looking for a replacement for the side bar though.
A thing you did not mention was the flatness of the table. Both side tables were a little to high on the outside ends and could not be lowered. I adjusted the construction to make it perfectly flat.
So after a lot of work the table is doing fine, but I wish I had noticed your review first :-).
Hi, yes this saw is rather disappointing even for an entry level diyer's saw. I was going to make a new insert plate for mine, but in the end I just decided to sell the saw on. The table on mine was really flat, so didn't have an issue there. One thing that did help was to make a table saw sledge.
I've had mine since April this year and I found the fence solid when locked down, although I wish it was full length. I use an aluminum bar clamp for longer pieces. You are right about the sliding miter gauge - useless. Also, I found I had to really force the blade angle to get 90 degrees. I keep tripping up over the front stabilizer bars. But I have done a lot of DIY with it and its so much easier to cut with this than a jigsaw which was all I had before. I wanted the RAGE version but was £100 more. I've made a cross-cut sled for accurate cuts. Its ok for DIY.
Hi David, I found the fence was solid for about 6 - 8 months, then when I was cutting a large piece of plywood I noticed it had moved 3mm from front to back, then it continued to get worse. I put it down to the clamp part wearing. I made a cross cut sled also, which replaced the mitre gauge. But, I have the Rage 5s now, what an improvement that is, in my opinion its worth the extra money, just for the fence and the sliding panel. I did also recently review that saw.
excellent review as you have covered the important points that many forget, well done!
A good honest review , the fence is basically useless , the measure tape is inaccurate, and the crosscut sled poorly fits and wobbles, motor is great blade is ok , otherwise this machine really is not fit for purpose, I have had this saw for 3 years, I removed the fence , legs and striped it down and mounted the body in a custom built work bench and built my own fence and cross cut sled after only using it for 3 months to make it usable , but out of the box it is useless and i would recommend using the money and getting a track saw instead
wish I'd seen this before I bought. I did exactly the same thing, bought a rage mitre saw (really love it) and the circular saw (one of the best I've owned) so thought the table saw would be good too. The fence is atrocious, so much so that I've removed it completely and use a price of box steel now. The extension wings keep moving no matter how many times I align and tighten. You are correct with it being the same carcass. I owned a scheppach (bought a few years ago as my first table saw for £125.00 off amazon) and thought I'd upgrade a little to the rage. The outer carcass and frame are exactly the same! In retrospect I wouldn't buy this and would use my circular saw while I saved up for a dewalt (which is what I'm currently doing). Great vid by the way 👏👏👏👏👏👏
It's unfortunate that the saw has all these issues, but because the motor I found to have good power. I did think of buying better upgrades for it before selling it. I do have the evolution rage 5s table saw, which is a fsr superior saw then this one.
Rhodry maelwaedd where you get the steel, seems pricy on ebay
I almost bought this. Glad I didn't I paid a little extra for the einell tc-ts 2225 for £200 and is possibly the cheapest one I've seen with a fence which clips on both sides. I havent used it much yet but the results so far have been amazing. The only problem with it is it has a shite metre gauge (like this one) plenty of play so I may buy something which would work better! I simply can't go out an buy an expensive one and especially what I want it for. Great video regardless! I just dont get why they bring these products out and not come with a fence which goes all the way to the end......
Thanks was about to buy one glad i saw this
Thank you for your video. It was brilliant review. I didn't know EVOLUTION would do a such generic products and claiming as their own products. All this time I thought they were a particular brand. I was wrong. I should have seen your review first before buying this table saw EVOLUTION RAGE 5-S. The problem you've shown are correct. Even my one (the guide) doesn't move freely like your one. It should have been one end to the other, so that it would give cutting measurement same all the way.
Thanks, I think you have your models mixed up though, this is the fury 5S, I now have the rage 5s which is a much better and usable table saw. But yes, I didn't think evolution would be selling a generic type saw like this, that did really disappoint me
To be honest James I've looked at the new saw several times but no one has done an in depth review as far as I can see I'm watching your review atm and I may give them another go
Thanks very much Chris, I'm very happy with the rage 5s, I've used it loads in the time I've had it, and apart from the the t slots not being a standard size, I can't fault it
Thanks a lot for honest rewiew.
I agree with this review, but I think it was worth the money I paid. I addressed the issues James has highlighted by making my own table inserts and a couple of cross cut sleds. As for the wobbly fence, if I am looking for accuracy, I clamp it down at the back of the table as well as the front.
It all depends on your needs. For me I think it a bit to diy for my needs.
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You are quite right, it is not a professional users tool. Something i have been concerned about recently is the blade provided with the M/c quotes a max speed of 2750 rpm where-as the M/c runs at 3250 rpm. I know it runs slower than some saws to allow it to cope with nails and metal etc. But, whats going on ? I would expect the figures on blade and M/c to match up.
glad i watched this vid before i bought one. good video thanks
Cheers buddy 👍
Hi great review certainly open my eyes thank you
No problem, here to help
Very useful review, I was undecide between this and the Rage 5-S (also an owner of the Evolution Mitre saw... Great product) This has helped me decide the extra money for the Rage is well worth it.
The Rage 5-S is absolutely TERRIBLE!
Don't buy it...
@@SkuStyle I've found the Rage 5-S to be very good so far for a budget saw
Thanks for this review James, you saved me a lot of money and time!
Not a problem. I've upgraded to the evolution rage 5s, it's night and day different
Hi thank I was thinking about buying this one ,
I think I will not bother now,
The problem I’m having is it seems very hard to get things like this right now,
I want to buy a cheap table saw primarily for cutting 3m wood into strips fpr making trellises..Would you say the Titan is cheap and cheerful and COULD repeatedly just rip wood?.
For that process you want a saw with a decent rip fence. Suggest one with a full length fence, not like the one on this saw. The titan is an identical saw in terms of design and build, the only difference with be the motor and accessories
Great update James. I have the Titan saw, I think it’s actually worse than yours can’t wait to upgrade it.
Phil Cannon Woodworking a friend in work has the titan saw, says he is happy with it. But admits it's not very accurate
Same here, I own the Titan, it's not very good.
It also looks exactly the same as aldi's workzone one which I paid 90£ for, and I even saw a scheppach sticker on it somewhere.
Yes, I've seen the scheppach one also. I virtually had it confirmed that this is just a basic generic saw that complies with British safety standards that all companies make
Pretty colors.....about it.
I wouldn't even go that far
Great non bias review.. Good on ya
Thanks, no point reviewing something if your not gonna share your real experience's with it
well yeh, of course, they are the same they all probably come from the same Chinese manufacturer and as you said they then put their own motor and colour
Good job, many thanks.
Thanks, no problem
Also my big peev is the dip in the insert plate
Yes, it is a bit flimsy on this saw. The insert plate on the mitre saw they do is much more solid
@@JamesManCave the table saw is ok as is but it does need a zero clearance insert if you are doing a lot of rip cuts or 1 blade dados the bar under the plate makes it tricky as f£%k to make said 0 clearance insert but not impossible
@@leedraven20 I made one for my evolution rage 5 table saw, the same insert plate I think from memory as the one on this saw. There's a video of it on my channel
@@JamesManCave the rage and fury are slightly different there's like 2-3mm between the side suports and the bar to the left of the blade. Might just take the drimmel to it and see how it turns out what's the worst that could happen.
Got the same saw, it's dreadful, doesn't cut square even when set up with care, blade is thin and oscillates so very poor finish! Guides wobble in the rails and the fence flexes. A saw that does not cut square is useless. And it is LOUD! very, very noisy.
Big no no with a table say is a rip fence like this ! ALWAYs buy one with a full length rip fence that tightens against bed on both ends ,lumberjack saws are cheaper and have a good rip febce with extendable table too
Well that may be tge case, but here in the UK lumberjack saws are not available, and diy entry level saws like this one is don't come with a full length fence. Most if not all tge saws around this price range are identical
@@JamesManCave u can buy the lumberjack on ebay with full fence and extendable bed for less than 150 ,its basically wats known as a site saw
@@paulmooney1833 yes I'm aware of the site saw, but as I've mentioned, it's still and identical saw body and top as this saw, which I'd rather stay away from.
I have one and the blade has over 1 mm run out also the mitre jams in the slot half way along the table not very impressive
I didn't have any blade run out issues, but the mitre slots did cause me problems as they are a non standard size. I sold the saw on eBay about a month after making this review
Dont buy this saw my table top has warped over time also somehow the blade moves out of square when I adjust it to 45° you get what you pay for in my honest opinion a table saw is one of the most used tools so its where the biggest investment should be
You sound like a farmer! 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe, just maybe I am
cheap crap .
Thanks James, really useful honest review as I was considering buying one but now have second thoughts.
Good honest review. I had been thinking about getting one for the same reason you did, Ive got an Evolution mitre saw which is magic!
Might need to rethink?
Thanks.
No problem, Im glad to have experienced this saw, as I now know what to look out for. For your information, I have the evolution rage 5s now, a much better product
James' Man Cave cheers.
I own the titan/screwfix version of this saw and I tell you the blade guard, fence, and throat plate are vastly superior. The fence is as solid as can be (0 drift, very strong adjustable lockdown) and adjustable length for various indeed and outfeed requirements, no only that but the fence is covered in T track allowing you to mount your own attachments suck as indeed rollers and fence extensions. The blade guard provides much better coverage of the blade and is very easy to add or remove with just a spring loaded pin holding it to the riving knife. The throat playe is very sturdy but obviously if you desire 0 clearance you can make your own plate
Good review, you get what you pay for I guess. But still worth the price maybe, all the fences and guides on these cheap saws seem to be a bit rubbish. Thanks
Don't know if you still have this table saw but if you do you should check out this aftermarket fence see link www.charnwood.net/products/product/rip-fence-upgrade-for-w619-w619psf/category_pathway-224
I picked up the Evolution Fury 5-s Table saw a couple of years ago and the fence like you said is crap However this aftermarket one fits perfectly and works like a dream ( Rock steady) and "very" well made.
NO I don't work for them and it's not an affiliate link and you can find it on Amazon too, just came across your video and thought I would offer this up. Cheers and nice review
Thanks, this may be helpful for other people. I sold this saw not long after this review, I've now got the rage 5s, much much better
Thanks, very helpful as I am on a tight budget for a community group so I cant afford to make mistakes,
sorry the ....JCB was a lot cheaper..only £79.99..
I purchased this table saw, I wish I hadnt. The fence is rubbish. I use a straight timber and clamp it down instead.
I have exactly the same saw sold by Lidl under the name Parkside. The problem with the guide is huge, I’ve extended the aluminium guide to full width, Each and every time I measure relatively to the saw blade front and rear. A lot of work but I manage to make straight cuts. Today I’ve resawn some pallet boards and it workd like a charm. I consider this saw good value for money.
Nico Bogaard great that's good to hear it worked for you. I to made a full length fence from pieces of plywood, clamped it down with a f clamp and worked well for me. Didn't included it with the review as not part of the original saw
Agree with everything you said and a little bit more I cannot wait too get rid off mine
I've noticed on ebay they are selling for about £100 used, not a bad return when I only paid £130
James' Man Cave when I bought mine cheapest place was b&q I paid £169 for mine I'm cleaning mine up today and she's going for sale already sold my mitre saw too so I'll be getting a decent table saw with the money
If looking for an upgrade but staying with the contractors type saw the pingtek saw looks good. Greg Virgoe does a good review on his channel.
Have to agree.. This is not Evolutions finest product... :(
mistral55 yes very poor it cuts anything you want but accuracy just doesn't work on this machine
you are right...I just bought a JCB from b&q it's the same as evolution ..I think you just pay for the name.....it's like buy trainers or clothes.....they need to sort things out for the price.....well made...thumbs up...
You've made my mind up! Good video review mate.
Thanks, the whole point of me doing a review after a year was so I could give a well informed option of it
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I was so attempted to buy this table saw, but before I do let me check out some youtube videos. Your video came to be far best detailed review out there. Keep it up James.. top man 👍
Thanks very much buddy
Thank you for an honest review. One can fix the accuracy and obviously safety issues by building your own cross-court sled. Look up 'How to make a Cross-Cut Sled', The Wood Whisper or Matthew Cremona on TH-cam. Not to complicated and certainly worth the effort.
Hi, thanks for the comment. You will see in some of my other videos that I did build a cross cut sledge. And it worked fine. But for the many cuts I wanted to make with large sheets/lengths of wood the fence just wasn't up to the job
thanks for the update im not keen on the evolution product iv owned, i almost bought this t/saw about a year ago but was put of with the experience i had with the mitre saw,i bought myself a pingtek t/saw which is a rebranded scheppach hs105 and im really pleased with it it has a couple of things which i find annoying but on the whole am really pleased with it
I know this is an old video but who in their right mind would think this piece of junk that is being passed off as a table saw is worth spending money on?
People who may only need a table saw for 1 project, people who may not have the budget for any thing else, and then people like me, who wasn't sure if a table saw would be something I needed so didn't want to waste a load of money on a more expensive one if I didn't have the need for it. Budget tools, have there needs for many people
Very useful on the point review, thank you!
Thanks for the review. Is the version that you now have the portable (folding) one ?
Hi, thanks. Yes the version I have now is the rage 5-s, it's the table saw I hoped this one would be
Ive got a dewalt dw745 which is one of the more expensive jobsite table saws you can get and it came with a very similar rubbishy miter gauge so i think thats par for the coarse. Its got a metal insert plate with is 1000x better than that one but falls a bit short of being nice and flush with the table top. You should make a zero clearance insert if you want nice cuts anyway though. The fence on mine is amazing though, i would recommend it if you want to replace your saw.
lettersandnumbers81 hi, thanks for the great comment. I did make a zero clearance insert plate, but I left it out in the rain by mistake, and as it was made of plywood it warped a fair bit. I have now sold this saw and have the much better spec evolution jobsite saw
James' Man Cave how is the Jobsite saw is it the S/2?
Hi Kevin, it's the rage 5s model I have now, a far better, and much improved saw over the fury 5s. There will be a review out on it this Sunday
James' Man Cave thanks James
Thanks for this review, really appreciate the honest, unbiased review.
Thanks for the comment. Always aim to give my full unbiased opinion as that is exactly what I would want
Thanks mate you have confirmed what I was thinking that these saws all come out of the same mould So I’ll keep saving my pennies to get a real one cheers.
I bought one six weeks ago - before I knew of the reviews - and I’ve found exactly the same problems. The mitre guide and the fence are shoddy manufacture and wobble. I just dont use them. Made my own fence from a plank of pine and two clamps. Also took off the extenders as getting them exactly lined up for level is a pain. Agree with all the other comments. Especially the supposedly “different” brands of what appears to be the same saw.
Been in the market for a new table saw. Like you, have been impressed with the mitre saws evolution makes. For the price point of this table saw, was fully expecting the fence wobble even before you got to that point in the video. I think that cross cut fence is too 'plasicky' as well. If only they could spend another $50 on production costs in improving these aspects, you could have a decent little diy table saw for those handful of projects through the year. As the adage goes, you get what you pay for. Thanks for posting mate...
Not problem, I was quite disappointed in this saw when I came to use it. However, the next saw up that evolution produce (rage5 s) is a much better performing table saw, it has a sliding panel which works really well, and both sides slide out giving it a much wider table.
I agree with your comments, I've berated Evolution guys at trade shows for the poor construction.
You didn't mention the guide slots - they are some weird size - not the standard 3/4 inch T-Slot, just channels spot welded under the table top.
The motor doesn't soft start - my Evolution mitre saw does - would it really add much to the price?
The fence is appalling, I've made up a full-depth fence by stacking plywood enclosing the aluminium support, I've bolted a length of extruded T-Track to the back of the table, and have two Woodpecker mitre clamps running in that: once the fence is aligned, two quick twists and its not going anywhere.
The biggest issue for me though is the blade alignment, when I got it, the blade was nowhere near parallel to the guide slots - 3 millimetres difference between the font and back. The only way to adjust it is to loosen the four screws around the plastic guard, jam a screwdriver in at the top and pull one way, tighten one screw then jam the screwdriver in the near end and lever the other way, tighten the other three. Now I can trim off 0.5 mm slivers from the work piece. I've also added some 50x50 extensions to the legs, I found it was about 120mm too low, and I'm not that tall - 5 foot ten (I know - mixing units).
They make a big thing of being able to cut wood, steel aluminium etc with one blade. Its not made of Mythril - cut a piece of steel and your wood cuts wont be clean any more.
Oh and people complain about the frame - when assembling it, put some Locktite thread locking compound on the machine screws - then they wont shake loose.
In summary - the old adage is true - buy cheap, buy twice.
Wow, that's a comment! Yes I agree the whole construction of the saw needs a rethink. I didn't mention the slot, as I made a sledge for it so I was happy to use that in the slots and didn't have another need for them. Have you tried contacting evolution via there website about the problems? I've dealt with them quite a bit now, and they really like to know about your experiences with there tools and any upgrades you have made to them.
@@JamesManCave I've enjoyed so many woodworking videos on utoob I've been thinking about doing one myself - how I "fixed" it. I also have some comments about the mitre saw - the dust management is a joke, and its LOUD - screaming metal, much worse than others I've heard. Its Screwfix Live ( Farnborough ) next week, I'm going to look around at the opposition, maybe give Evolution a link to the utoob.
I bought the Titan from Screwfix and the fence is useless. It was quite an easy job to make my own out of wood which has improved the saw. I also have used the UJK clamps from Axminster tools as a fence.
Wobbly fence!! . That's all I need to know. Not only inaccurate but also extremely dangerous. Thanks for the review mate.
glad i found this. wont be buying that
nice pond james any koi in just got a parkside 2000 c3 table saw moto gone or the bushers so that saw you got rubbish
Thanks Andy, no fish in it. It's exclusively built for my ducks to enjoy.
Yes the saw wasn't the best. But, I think if you wanted a rough rip saw, then this is probably all it's good for
@@JamesManCave james is the Einhell a better was mate i know the motor loads more powerfull
Excellent review James. The one thing you didn’t say is that the blade guard prevents you from cutting thin material without having the blade disproportionately high...Their own instructions recommend having the blade set at 1/8th inch over the height of the material being cut, but this jams anything less than 3/4” high at this tolerance... it’s a really bad design flaw, which to my knowledge they have never done anything about. Anyone know any mods other than taking the guard off?
The fence design is pathetic.It should engage opposite side or clamp down firm but however designed this obviously was not a wood worker.It looks cheap Chinese crap.
Gonna move soon into a new house and was looking for a good saw for flooring but also for future projects. Was considering Evolution Fury 5-s as the best option around, I'm glad I found your video - thanks for the Rage 5-S tip!
There's a real opportunity for someone to make a fence kit that locks at both ends. I'm using a straight/true piece of 45x70mm spruce that I lock with speedclamps but even that isn't ideal. Great review for any potential buyers.
I bought the same saw from Aldi £89.99...sorry. Also my insert plate is much better by the looks of it, it’s metal with a single flush screw holding it in place. I was really worried about my fence before it arrive, so far it’s really stiff but I don’t see that lasting. I think I will end up getting a better third party fence. I’ve only just got it and I haven’t checked my arbour size, but I do want some kerf blades, a standard and thin. I don’t know if you mentioned your motor size but mine is 2kw.
I like your reviews, they are always honest and reasonable. You never say your saw/pillar drill is the best thing since sliced bread and then you never say it's a worthless pile of… you say what you like and what you don’t and it’s always a very considered opinion.
Thank you Mark, I try to inform people of what I have found useful and the things that were not. It's not my job to sell the item to someone, just to inform you all of my opinions, then hopefully you can make your own minds up from it.
James' Man Cave You do it very well. I was wrong by the way, my insert is hard plastic not metal.
@@markharris5771 ahhh, I didn't think it would be metal for that price
James' Man Cave I’m a newbie, I'm using that as an excuse for everything I get for at least the next two years. This is the one I bought, it looks the same in most aspects to me, but I might be wrong as I am a newbie 😂😂😂
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Top vid. I've been after a cheaper table saw to dip my toes for a while and was torn between the evolution or titan. This video has helped loads 👍👍
No probs mate. Hope the saw you decide to get turns out great! 👍
@@JamesManCave saw a video of some guy breaking down a titan one and building it into a flush bench with a bigger fence. Something to think about rather than forking out for a cabinet sized one. 👍👍. Cheers for the swift reply James.
Best regards - James
Good job. I was able to make one automatic that works on 12 volts
Great honest review. Ty
The titan saw isn't quite the same, I unfortunately own one. I'm sure they are very similar however the table top on the evolution is flat, on the titan it's,, erm,, featured... not in a good way makes cutting accurately harder.
The Titan doesn't have rack and pinion angle adjustment either, it's sloppy and wildly inaccurate.
To be honest no matter how bad you think that evolution saw is, the Titan is far far worse :)
.. Oh and the mitre accessory, why are table saw manufacturers incapable of making a decent mitre slide, my Titan bandsaw has a rock solid mitre slide, I just don't get what their problem is.
I guess in this day and age, it's just get the product made and get it out of the door into the shops as fast as possible. Some people will put up with, some people will make adjustments and there own improvements and some, might send it back?🥴
Very helpful review, thanks for taking the trouble to make it. I love my Evolution mitre saw and so was drawn to their table saw but will now think twice.
No problem Chris. I've also done a review on the evolution rage 5s table saw, it's a far batter performing piece of kit
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Watched it last night, very helpful video again. Looks a much better bit of kit but of course for a higher price tag.
What I don't understand is that they make the cheaper models with such poor fences. Surely the key thing about a table saw is accuracy against the fence so properly anchoring it is essential - why do they produce kit which fails in this regard on every review you read?
regards
Chris
Sorry Chris, didn't get a notification you had replied. If you do a bit of research, you will find all the cheap table saws are of the same design, with a different motor fitted, and branded with the companies logo. I think they must all share one design that meets UK H&S law
I have had mine for just over a year and completely agree with every point you have made.
It's a shame really, because it certainly has enough power to cut through most things, and it's a good size for what I wanted it for. I know have the evolution rage 5s table saw, and that is much better
@@JamesManCave The saw itself is great, I use mine a lot as I make lightboxes for the back of truck cabs , as well as businesses and personal use. (I am a trucker as well as a woodwork enthusiast.) Check out my page on Facebook Light Box Logos.
The table itself is so flimsy and was knocked out of shape within a week of using it! I have never used any of the add-ons that came with it. I am considering making a new table top to house it in, rather than buying a new one.
Great review thanks
Cheers for the review James. I've got an Evo compound mitre that is great, so i was thinking of getting this for my first table saw, but not any more.
I would however recommend the evolution table saw up from this model, the rage 5s, a much better saw.
@@JamesManCave Yes i read good things about that, i ended up ordering this one www.amazon.co.uk/ParkerBrand-PTS-250-High-Power-Table/dp/B01N7V8587/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=table+saw+pts-250&qid=1596043735&sr=8-1 Like most cheapies it will need the fence and mitre fence tweaking but nice frame and motor apparently.
Thank you!
Over here in Asia, we have Joustman, Jifa, Mistari, Worcraft, etc ..... and they all look very much similar ... :-) Evolution sounds better though ....
Hey, first comment I'm aware off from Asia! 😁 Yes there are many saws that are nearly identical to this one, only difference I can see is the power of the motors, and the colour
Thanks for the honest review James.
Have checked out your other videos and Subscribed to your Channel.
Ahem, they named it Fury for a reason !
After watching several table saw reviews I am tempted to buy a Titan Band saw instead. Serves my needs better.
I was admiring the cladding on your shed as well as the background towards the end. Is that the interior? What cladding did you use mate, and where did you buy it? Hope you reply soon 😊
Sorry for the delayed reply, I didn't get a notification. The cladding on the shed is a ship lap style cladding that I bought from Travis Perkins. And the interior at the end, unfortunately isn't the inside of my shed, it's the wall paper in my living room👌
Im having the same problem aswel. I can't afford anything to really get a fancy one so i guessing ill have to modify mine and make some jigs to go along. best of luck James and thanks for the video.
Hi mate, I guess if you invest your time improving this saw then you could get it to perform much better. I never had any issues with the power of the motor, just the bolt on bits 👍
I chose the Evolution table saw for exactly the same reason as you, and totally agree it's not on par with the evolution chop saw. I feel ripped off having paid over the top for what I thought would be a good quality product. We learn, and choose our next purchases based on experience, and it won't be an Evolution product, mass produced in China most likely.
Unfortunately this was one of those buys I wish I hadn't of rushed into making. However, the evolution rage 5s, be it a £100 more, is a huge step up from this, and worth a look at
Great video... inthink all power tools are like this... bosch dewalt etc all owned by same company.... just made slightly different
Bosch and DeWalt are separate companies. Stanley black and decker own DeWalt. TTI own Milwaukee, AEG and Ryobi
Top review here mate, funny what you say about the rip fence wobbling, I noticed this too and asked evolution if there was a fence available that locked both ends which there isn't. They noted my feedback though, we may see a fix on the next model. Definitely an issue on this one though.
Thanks, the older version of this table had a different fence, same length buy chunkier metal and profile, that looking at the display models I saw was far more sturdier then the fence this saw came with. They have recently (6-8months ago) updated this saw and yet again it came with the short Flexi fence fitted to it
just had mine delivered today am quite happy up to the point that the main table top at the back is slightly bent by 5-8 mm at rear left side not sure if it the manufacture fault or it got damage in transit and 3 of the table extension bolts snap in half after tightening them up.i will have to phone them up in the morning about it. apart from my small issues it looks great all the blade alignment's is spot on out the box and i only paid less than £145 for it new ,like you i also own a an Evolution mitre saw and i can't fault it one of the best mitre saws i have own
Glad to hear your happy with it so far, but doesn't sound great about the bolts or the bent table. I expect evolution will ask you to send the whole thing back. I've noticed they have made a few minor upgrades to this saw since I bought mine, so hopefully yours performs a lot better then mine did
James full marks for the review I bought the same saw 3yrs ago and have never been satisfied with it i had 3 saws delivered all with unacceptable damage I finally accepted the 4th one even though it was still slightly damaged I finally set it up trying very hard to get a decent cut but to no avail I made a new fence which gave a square straight cut but the blade is impossible to set square without a lot of messing and the flimsy table is cheap tin plate I wish now In hind sight I'd have paid proper money for a proper saw totally dissatisfied its true pay cheap pay twice
Hi Chris, thanks. Yes it's really disappointing the quality of this saw, been really happy with my evolution stuff up till I got this saw, and the more I used it, the more I didn't like it. I have got the the evolution rage 5s table saw, which is night and day better
Thanks for the honest review. I'm looking for a first table saw and I wonder if this might be OK if I make a new fence upgrade and a zero clearance insert. What do you reckon?
Hi, well you could make all that, and a sledge to use on it also, but what I would say is that this model is identical to most other budget table saws, and some of them are £30/£40 cheaper then this, so might be something else to consider
very helpfull , thank you
Cheers mate for the review. U saved me time and money. I have the evolution circular saw and evolution compound miter saw so i was drawn to the table saw too but now i will go for the titan table saw. Thanks mate
Hi mate, I'm 99% sure that the titan is exactly the same saw as this one just painted a different colour. If you can afford it, I'd recommend the evolution rage 5-s, which is the table saw model up from this one, but a much much better saw, I've had mine 3 years now and it's really good
Merci pour cette vidéo. Je possède cette scie, mais je ne sais pas comment changer la lame ? Pourriez-vous nous faire une petite vidéo sur cette manipulation ? Merci beaucoup à l'avance !
Hi, it is very simple to change the blade. Remove the insert plate, then you can see the bolt in the arbour of the motor, use both spanners provide on the bolt (one holds the arbour the other undoes the bolt) and it will pop straight out
I bought the same saw in Aldi's, it's from the workzone range of tools, for €120.00 and comes with a laser alignment tool, but the exact same saw.
I have seen that in there when I've been shopping. I thought it looked the same, I'm glad you can concur
Cheers
This video wont play past 21 seconds for me, all other videos work, that's today and yesterday, very strange. I bought one anyway
Oh dear, not sure why. I've not heard that mentioned before on any of my videos. Twas an amazing video too! 🤣
Cheers chap good review.
Thanks buddy 👍
Great review and thanks for your honesty. I was considering this table or the bigger brother, the Rage 5-S. Do you regret not getting the Rage 5-S or even a different model and spending a few extra £?
Hi, thanks. At the time I didn't know if would need or use a table saw that much at all, so at first I was happy, but as time went on I learnt about the importance of things being right due to the issues with this saw. I did sell it on in the end and only lost £30
Thanks for the review. You helped me decide against buying this saw
It was one of those things that I'm glad I bought, but wished I had gone for the next evolution table up in the range, much better saw
@@JamesManCave I may do just that. I'm currently reading all of the reviews I can find before I make a decision.
If I hadn't of bought this saw, then I wouldn't have appreciated just how much better the evolution rage 5s is. I also had the Ryobi folding worksite saw, that wasn't a bad saw, but I found it a little short for me (I'm 6ft) so had to stoop when using it, and although that had a decent table top, it was a lot smaller area then the rage 5s has
@@JamesManCave The Rage is almost double the price. Do you think it's worth it?
It's £249.99 in Screwfix. Ignore Amazon's price for it, it's not usually over £300, they had it on offer for £220 in February. Yes, I think it's worth the extra investment, the extendable wings and the sliding panel make it a really versatile saw
Hi, Thank you for sharing this with me.
Brilliant. Thanks for the review mate.
Excellent video, very very thorough, step by step pros and cons, thanks.
No problem buddy
Good plain sense
Thanks 👍
Got the orange version of this saw and have the same issues, the fence is bad and if I could get that sorted I wouldn’t mind but until then seems useless
I don't know too much about the orange version, only came out about 6 months ago, and I've not seen one yet. But looking at the pictures it looks the same as this one. I was hoping it would be better then the green version, but it seems not. Thanks for the info 👍
@@JamesManCave its identical. But as its only 6 months old don't think I'll be able to return it for been crap. And costing for a new one so soon. Might try and save it though if cannot be returned.
So glad I seen this review. I have a small cabinet project next year and was set on getting this saw. But now I'm not sure.
Like you, I don't want to spent DeWalt money as I know I won't get the full use out of it. so if you or any of your subscriber's can recommend a similar product for similar money. I'd be grateful.
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks for the comment, I have done a review of the evolution rage 5s table saw. Which is what I replaced this with. It's £100 more on screwfix website, but in my opinion it's well worth the extra money. From my research and feedback, most of the table saws around this price range are all made from the same patteren/design and just rebranded.
Very useful did you upgrade and if so what did you go for ?
Hi, yes I did. I sold this saw after this review and acquired the evolution fury 5s
That table saw in the video is a diy model, the evolution rage 5s is the professional version of this!
The orange evolution tools are trade rated, green ones are diy rated,
Maybe this is why it falls behind spec compared to your sliding mitre saw 👍
Yes, this I know. I have the rage 5s. My dad had the green version of the mitre saw, except it was the 210 version, and that was very similar quality to my orange miter saw, unfortunately I had it confirmed this is a generic model shared by many manufacturers
@@JamesManCave I'm currently watching your review on the rage 5s! As I'm looking at buying it this week, would you recommend so! I'm limited on space and budget
@@jamiebroughan I would very much yes, quick and easy to set up from being folded away. I took my time setting it up and it's spot on. I really find the expandable wings (which I thought was a bit of novelty) super helpful.
@@JamesManCave cool! I'm definitely going to go ahead with my purchase, thanks a million for your reply, it has made my decision easier.
My only doubt has been the 25.4mm bore for blades! As I've already built a collecting of blades with 30mm bore
And that's absolutely fine, you can go on eBay/Amazon and buy a reducing ring for only a few quid 👍
Good and honest, but you get what you pay for.
Very true, however having owned other evolution products that are great I was hoping for better
Buy à 48 tooth Bosch blade and you Will definitivly fall in love with this table 😉
I bought a 60t blade, and used that on there. I didn't have an issue with it cutting anything, the issue is around the rest of the poor construction of the saw. I no longer have it, and evolution sent me the much better site table saw
@@JamesManCavei don't use the foot of this table for the first day and make some tuning on the guide and some others shit directly so i'm happy with that product. You get what you've payed, Bosch make more better products but the Price is not the same... When you buy that kind of products, you know you need to make something for have a good satisfaction.
@@jeanpatedemeyer5034 I only wanted to cut sheet goods to the the correct size straight, maybe the odd angled cut, but I couldn't rely on any of it
@@JamesManCave no pain no gain, i'm ok, when you buy it, it's à piece of shit but if you do what is needed you can make some good job with that shit (for a better cost than buy à Bosch product), if you didn't need some precision material.
good review saved me some money thanks
No problem, if you still want an evolution table saw, then I do recommend the rage 5s, it's a much better saw