i only use this system in seven and half degrees increments. 0, 7-1/2, 15, 22-1/2, 30-half ball hit, 37-1/2, 45, 52-1/2, 60, and 67-1/2 anything past that i use the contact point. I hope that this is useful info for someone. you are taking the angle system to a whole precise and extreme increments. My hats off to you. i am going to watch the rest of the videos and i am sure i will learn alot of value info. thanks
Good info! I personally use ghostball for shots that requires perfect accuracy within 22 to 50 degrees or something... and most of the shots inside a half of the table I usually aim visually.
brett6314: I understand. Try to explain it to her this way about the interpolation. Rotate a ball in front of her -- simulating walking about the ball -- and you can show that 22.5 is exactly half way in between. The issue of appearing not being half way is merely because we are using ball fractions and their aim points when targeting something that's progressively angled away from our view. For example, put equally spaced vertical lines on a ball and look at their apparent spacing head on and then when rotated 60 degrees. When rotated, they look closer together.
8, 16 or 32 angles are only for those who want/will use them. Many are well served just developing a good stance and stroke. Much value can be had for everyone for developing a reliable stroke with just straight in and 30° cut at slow & firm speed and stun, follow & draw at varied distances. Extend to other angles as motivated (especially thin cuts which have extra challenges -- sighting & arm swerving). Again for everyone, developing aim QUICKLY (after developing a somewhat reliable stroke) requires setting up repeatable shots & the AimRight supports a range of cuts -- aim as you please, although I have preferences & ideas. Aiming in games with techniques based on accurately knowing the angle is for only a rare few. I call it advanced and have documented what I learned for the rare few who should be interested. For some reason, many watch despite my warning and then some think I'm crazy because it's not for them. It's not for most! Yet there are many who tout aiming that starts with assuming the player can distinguish quarter ball hits from one another -- they are wrong, I have experience with my Cut Angles Challenge 101 game that even quarter ball hit resolution is not automatic and requires training.
I was surpised that when trying to teach my gf how to bracket a shot by saying look, we know 30 deg is a peace sign and that's a half ball hit, and we can know this is say a 15 degree shot, 3/4 ball hit its in between. The chart for fractional aiming isn't linear meaning if a shot is say 22.5 degrees, you cant just go halfway between half ball and 3/4 ball but slightly more towards 3/4 ball hit, her brain exploded all over my table. She didn't "see" the angles at all. I could barely get her to understand the concept. Went to ghost ball. In HS studdying for SATs the guide had us guestamate angles to cut down on working the problem. It really is pretty easy to know a 15, vs 30 vs 45 degree angles. How many millions of math problems use a 3, 4, 5 triangle because the math and degrees are in whole numbers?
I apologise, at least you mention dominant eye and so forth, I get what it is that you are saying about a system of getting better at what is most important, and that is the process of getting there quicker than a million balls. You are correct about a few things now that I watch more, and one of those is not to be rail or pocket oriented. That's why most, if not all, when playing rotation games only, now stepping into one pocket, even the most basic of shots that are aimed out in space, they are totally lost, like moving a ob and cb that isn't a pocket shot, but a "move" to gain game advantage. The only thing that matters is the distance and angle at hand, and then formulation of the physics to produce the intended outcome. You talk about vision center, you should demonstrate what that means and how to use it. I could do a demo vid of how I learned to do it, but it pisses me off that nobody really shows a simple way to understand it. I've seen some and I don't like what I see because it's not effective in utilization, when considering, the various positions the table itself, physically puts a player in. Once again, I apologise, your intent with these vids are actually not too bad but that's because I understand "it" better than most. "It" means "pool" and what is it that a person is dealing with, that makes pool rather difficult or insanely difficult in the process of understanding, when you jump in trying to figure it out. Even when you do have it figured out, then it's a very difficult matter of physical execution, and that means alignment. So, what does that mean? Well for instance, a retarded saying is keep your head down. Well, try that with the modern day break mechanics set up and see what happens.....you will launch the CB off the table or something undesirable. Often times, you pick your head up to get out of your own way, in order to clear a incorrect or cramped alignment. This means timing and ultimately, it's best to eliminate as much timing as possible. The only player I've seen who consistently doesn't move his head during a stroke, no matter what, is Steve Davis. There are others who are very good as well, like Shane van boning, but he has to play the violin with his grip in the transition from back stroke to forward stroke. So, we then look for efficiency, and it's said, and I agree, that a bit of head movement during the stroke is ok, as long as the head tilts, but not the spine. Seeking perfection should be understood but not necessarily sought after ultimately, because it starts to become inefficient. Ronnie osullivan and Judd Trump are the two greatest cueist's in history and they both have a lot of unorthodox movement and shifting during the stroke. It's not considered timing so much, if it's a bi-product of natural movement that coincides with a ideal delivery. Obviously you can't just move around any way you want, it's got to be within a tight window of correct mechanics. There was only one Alex Higgins and even he was inconsistent severely and in today's modern game, would have no chance. Anyway, keep up the good work, you are at least on the right track.
It looks like you are at the pocket in Garden City I believe I actually met you one day. But where is the pool hall with the green cloth in the beginning of the video? I don't think I've been there and would like to check it out
The video locations are The Pocket in Garden City/Boise, ID, as you correctly identified and the other is in Peoria/Sun City, AZ (Phoenix). It's a long drive between the two. AZ is much better place for us to be in the winter. And there's lots of billiards here.
I'm not sure I get the fractional aiming thing. If I need to find a line to the ghost ball and use that line to approximate my shot angle why not just stop there and drop onto that line, why bother with fractions at that point? How can you use fractional if you have a hard time visualizing the ghost ball? That sounds more useful to me, but I may be overlooking something.
The AimRight has several goals you can use it for. The first and primary is just to develop a good stroke, learn to reliably pocket the full range of cut angles, both to the left and to the right, and learn the basics of position play. And if you have ANY problems with those, that's what you should use the AimRight for, at first. Once you are getting consistent and know how to reliably aim and make all 16 AimRight cut angles at various distances and locations, you MIGHT consider using that in games. That's what's being described here. But you certainly don't have to. Doing it in games requires that instead of other aiming methods, such as visualizing the ghost ball, you estimate the cut angle. That's a whole new ball game. If you get good at it, there's a bunch of analytical things you can use for position play. But if you have developed your intuition, you're good. I'm just providing a 'scientific way' to know what should happen and that should ultimately lead to an intuitive knowledge from practice and repetition if you don't have it yet. If you want to use ghost ball aiming, fine. If you can visualize that and do it accurately, good. Or contact point aiming or just automatic aiming once you're advanced. And you don't have to restrict yourself to one aiming method. Perhaps ghost ball works on shots below half ball hit and you use contact point for thinner hits. And maybe on some shots, you aim based on the ball fraction because you can visualize it well. And maybe you aim banks and combination shots some other way. Whatever. Personally, I try to shoot all shots based on estimating the cut angle, which I either determine intuitively or with one of the techniques I describe in various videos. And I am trying to progress to doing the full 32 cut angles. Then I aim the shot as I've trained myself, for that cut angle. You can watch my Aiming video (up to 30 degrees) to see how I aim those. But that's just me. I'm not saying you should do this. I think a FEW people might be interested in using angles in games and I wanted to document what I've learned (and learned from others) about how to do it. Everyone should learn to reliably aim and shoot the full set of cut shots and learn some way to recognize what to do with the shot in front of you. The AimRight will help you setup repeatable cut shots at any place on the table and I find that valuable for practice. Find out if your aiming method (and stroke) works reliably at all those angles and at various distances. If it doesn't, fix it or find a better way. So, that's my advice to you: buy an AimRight and try practice drills shooting the various cut shots and refine your aiming method and stroke. In games, use YOUR aiming method. As I said above, the AimRight works to setup repeatable shots for ANY aiming system. However, it does provide additional assistance for ghost ball, contact point and fractional ball aiming. With version 2.0, the AimRight provides not only the ghost ball bottom center location, but also the ghost ball outline. The AimRight shows the contact point. And it is obviously designed with angles that correspond to common ball fractions, which are labeled. And for all aiming systems, there are reference lines that show the needed path for the center of the cue ball to travel. Objections to the AimRight: Experienced players say the AimRight is for beginners and beginners object that it's too complicated or advanced for them. The AimRight can help all players who are willing to do practice drills and the drills can be simple or advanced, easy or hard. But I tell the experienced ones that they should use it to teach their friends! But if they try to shoot all the cut angles and try to control the cue ball, per the 'specifications' of a good stroke, even the best will find room for improvement.
@@aimprobilliards1009 Thank you very much for the thorough answer! I can better see how the device might be used for practice and as a complementary tool, not necessarily to the exclusion of others. I am going to check it out, thanks again.
There are multiple approaches to doing it. Most off of them involve working with a straight in shot. Dr. Dave has a nice video here: th-cam.com/video/680o8EChP_o/w-d-xo.html. The problem with their technique is that they demonstrate using their vision to setup the straight in shot -- perhaps self defeating. I recommend using a laser line to setup donuts in a straight line and then place the balls on the donuts and confirm the alignment. Then use a bridge, perhaps, to setup a cue stick on the table addressing the CB and use a laser line to confirm it's straight on that line. Then stand behind the shot without touching the cue and try different head/eye positions/rotations and see what looks right. In my case, BOTH dominant eye and a centered vision look right. Confusing!? So then I experimented with different distances -- close and far. Plus I tried shooting them both ways and then tried thin cut shots in both directions. A further confusion is that seeing is a brain activity and it can vary day by day. Sometimes when I shoot, I see two target balls! Which one do I aim at? Perhaps there's some vision training program that could strengthen the eye/brain circuits and make them more consistent. I know of some, but don't have experience with them and pool shooting. My recent Aiming Errors video (th-cam.com/video/0kg_KUG0MPc/w-d-xo.html) expands on alignment by having you consider your statistics of misses across all shots. I compute such statistics in my Angles Challenge 101 game. You could track such statistics across multiple games you play. Plus it recommends several products by others that help identify off-center cue stick alignment or hitting that might be caused by your vision center being off. You could use my Angles Challenge 101 game and study straight in shots and see if there's a best eye position for you. I will soon release a new version of my Aiming video where I will give a straight in visual (from my Angles Challenge 101 game) to help with this at home on the computer.
It's simplest to purchase from Seyberts at www.seyberts.com/aimright-pool-billiards-aide. As I say in the description above and in the videos, you can contact me at AimPro.Billiards@gmail.com. I can sell to you directly via a paypal invoice.
Not true at all. For general AimRight stroke, aiming and position play training, you can use any aiming method you want -- so long as you find that it works reliably. In my aiming video, I suggest a different method to be used during drill training IF you are working on STROKE MECHANICS. Otherwise, use ANY method you want. For this angles based aiming, it's the same then as doing your AimRight drills [Buy one and do aiming/shooting drills]. You have learned how to aim each AimRight angle using your method of choice, so use that method and shoot the shot. Personally, I use the method I recommend in my aiming video (and I have a similar method for thinner cuts). But it's personal choice. The AimRight itself provides some features that are of help to people using: ghostball, contact point or fractional aiming. But again, use any method you wish.
I use the bottom of the ball to aim until I have to use the side of the ball I understand what you are saying though but it's just not that easy for some people I have been playing for 19 years so I know the angle just from seeing it 1,00000000000000000 times in my life lol
i only use this system in seven and half degrees increments. 0, 7-1/2, 15, 22-1/2, 30-half ball hit, 37-1/2, 45, 52-1/2, 60, and 67-1/2 anything past that i use the contact point. I hope that this is useful info for someone. you are taking the angle system to a whole precise and extreme increments. My hats off to you. i am going to watch the rest of the videos and i am sure i will learn alot of value info. thanks
Good info! I personally use ghostball for shots that requires perfect accuracy within 22 to 50 degrees or something... and most of the shots inside a half of the table I usually aim visually.
brett6314: I understand. Try to explain it to her this way about the interpolation. Rotate a ball in front of her -- simulating walking about the ball -- and you can show that 22.5 is exactly half way in between. The issue of appearing not being half way is merely because we are using ball fractions and their aim points when targeting something that's progressively angled away from our view. For example, put equally spaced vertical lines on a ball and look at their apparent spacing head on and then when rotated 60 degrees. When rotated, they look closer together.
8, 16 or 32 angles are only for those who want/will use them. Many are well served just developing a good stance and stroke.
Much value can be had for everyone for developing a reliable stroke with just straight in and 30° cut at slow & firm speed and stun, follow & draw at varied distances. Extend to other angles as motivated (especially thin cuts which have extra challenges -- sighting & arm swerving).
Again for everyone, developing aim QUICKLY (after developing a somewhat reliable stroke) requires setting up repeatable shots & the AimRight supports a range of cuts -- aim as you please, although I have preferences & ideas.
Aiming in games with techniques based on accurately knowing the angle is for only a rare few. I call it advanced and have documented what I learned for the rare few who should be interested. For some reason, many watch despite my warning and then some think I'm crazy because it's not for them. It's not for most!
Yet there are many who tout aiming that starts with assuming the player can distinguish quarter ball hits from one another -- they are wrong, I have experience with my Cut Angles Challenge 101 game that even quarter ball hit resolution is not automatic and requires training.
1 million % I agree in this tutorial
I was surpised that when trying to teach my gf how to bracket a shot by saying look, we know 30 deg is a peace sign and that's a half ball hit, and we can know this is say a 15 degree shot, 3/4 ball hit its in between. The chart for fractional aiming isn't linear meaning if a shot is say 22.5 degrees, you cant just go halfway between half ball and 3/4 ball but slightly more towards 3/4 ball hit, her brain exploded all over my table. She didn't "see" the angles at all. I could barely get her to understand the concept. Went to ghost ball.
In HS studdying for SATs the guide had us guestamate angles to cut down on working the problem. It really is pretty easy to know a 15, vs 30 vs 45 degree angles. How many millions of math problems use a 3, 4, 5 triangle because the math and degrees are in whole numbers?
I apologise, at least you mention dominant eye and so forth, I get what it is that you are saying about a system of getting better at what is most important, and that is the process of getting there quicker than a million balls.
You are correct about a few things now that I watch more, and one of those is not to be rail or pocket oriented.
That's why most, if not all, when playing rotation games only, now stepping into one pocket, even the most basic of shots that are aimed out in space, they are totally lost, like moving a ob and cb that isn't a pocket shot, but a "move" to gain game advantage.
The only thing that matters is the distance and angle at hand, and then formulation of the physics to produce the intended outcome.
You talk about vision center, you should demonstrate what that means and how to use it.
I could do a demo vid of how I learned to do it, but it pisses me off that nobody really shows a simple way to understand it.
I've seen some and I don't like what I see because it's not effective in utilization, when considering, the various positions the table itself, physically puts a player in.
Once again, I apologise, your intent with these vids are actually not too bad but that's because I understand "it" better than most.
"It" means "pool" and what is it that a person is dealing with, that makes pool rather difficult or insanely difficult in the process of understanding, when you jump in trying to figure it out.
Even when you do have it figured out, then it's a very difficult matter of physical execution, and that means alignment.
So, what does that mean?
Well for instance, a retarded saying is keep your head down.
Well, try that with the modern day break mechanics set up and see what happens.....you will launch the CB off the table or something undesirable.
Often times, you pick your head up to get out of your own way, in order to clear a incorrect or cramped alignment.
This means timing and ultimately, it's best to eliminate as much timing as possible.
The only player I've seen who consistently doesn't move his head during a stroke, no matter what, is Steve Davis.
There are others who are very good as well, like Shane van boning, but he has to play the violin with his grip in the transition from back stroke to forward stroke.
So, we then look for efficiency, and it's said, and I agree, that a bit of head movement during the stroke is ok, as long as the head tilts, but not the spine.
Seeking perfection should be understood but not necessarily sought after ultimately, because it starts to become inefficient.
Ronnie osullivan and Judd Trump are the two greatest cueist's in history and they both have a lot of unorthodox movement and shifting during the stroke.
It's not considered timing so much, if it's a bi-product of natural movement that coincides with a ideal delivery.
Obviously you can't just move around any way you want, it's got to be within a tight window of correct mechanics.
There was only one Alex Higgins and even he was inconsistent severely and in today's modern game, would have no chance.
Anyway, keep up the good work, you are at least on the right track.
It looks like you are at the pocket in Garden City I believe I actually met you one day. But where is the pool hall with the green cloth in the beginning of the video? I don't think I've been there and would like to check it out
The video locations are The Pocket in Garden City/Boise, ID, as you correctly identified and the other is in Peoria/Sun City, AZ (Phoenix). It's a long drive between the two. AZ is much better place for us to be in the winter. And there's lots of billiards here.
You are not alone, but we are rare. You should enjoy my other videos & maybe want my products -- YOU are my target 'customer' I'm trying to reach.
Thanks👍
I'm not sure I get the fractional aiming thing. If I need to find a line to the ghost ball and use that line to approximate my shot angle why not just stop there and drop onto that line, why bother with fractions at that point? How can you use fractional if you have a hard time visualizing the ghost ball? That sounds more useful to me, but I may be overlooking something.
The AimRight has several goals you can use it for. The first and primary is just to develop a good stroke, learn to reliably pocket the full range of cut angles, both to the left and to the right, and learn the basics of position play. And if you have ANY problems with those, that's what you should use the AimRight for, at first.
Once you are getting consistent and know how to reliably aim and make all 16 AimRight cut angles at various distances and locations, you MIGHT consider using that in games. That's what's being described here. But you certainly don't have to. Doing it in games requires that instead of other aiming methods, such as visualizing the ghost ball, you estimate the cut angle. That's a whole new ball game. If you get good at it, there's a bunch of analytical things you can use for position play. But if you have developed your intuition, you're good. I'm just providing a 'scientific way' to know what should happen and that should ultimately lead to an intuitive knowledge from practice and repetition if you don't have it yet.
If you want to use ghost ball aiming, fine. If you can visualize that and do it accurately, good. Or contact point aiming or just automatic aiming once you're advanced. And you don't have to restrict yourself to one aiming method. Perhaps ghost ball works on shots below half ball hit and you use contact point for thinner hits. And maybe on some shots, you aim based on the ball fraction because you can visualize it well. And maybe you aim banks and combination shots some other way. Whatever.
Personally, I try to shoot all shots based on estimating the cut angle, which I either determine intuitively or with one of the techniques I describe in various videos. And I am trying to progress to doing the full 32 cut angles. Then I aim the shot as I've trained myself, for that cut angle. You can watch my Aiming video (up to 30 degrees) to see how I aim those. But that's just me. I'm not saying you should do this. I think a FEW people might be interested in using angles in games and I wanted to document what I've learned (and learned from others) about how to do it.
Everyone should learn to reliably aim and shoot the full set of cut shots and learn some way to recognize what to do with the shot in front of you. The AimRight will help you setup repeatable cut shots at any place on the table and I find that valuable for practice. Find out if your aiming method (and stroke) works reliably at all those angles and at various distances. If it doesn't, fix it or find a better way. So, that's my advice to you: buy an AimRight and try practice drills shooting the various cut shots and refine your aiming method and stroke. In games, use YOUR aiming method.
As I said above, the AimRight works to setup repeatable shots for ANY aiming system. However, it does provide additional assistance for ghost ball, contact point and fractional ball aiming. With version 2.0, the AimRight provides not only the ghost ball bottom center location, but also the ghost ball outline. The AimRight shows the contact point. And it is obviously designed with angles that correspond to common ball fractions, which are labeled. And for all aiming systems, there are reference lines that show the needed path for the center of the cue ball to travel.
Objections to the AimRight: Experienced players say the AimRight is for beginners and beginners object that it's too complicated or advanced for them. The AimRight can help all players who are willing to do practice drills and the drills can be simple or advanced, easy or hard. But I tell the experienced ones that they should use it to teach their friends! But if they try to shoot all the cut angles and try to control the cue ball, per the 'specifications' of a good stroke, even the best will find room for improvement.
@@aimprobilliards1009 Thank you very much for the thorough answer! I can better see how the device might be used for practice and as a complementary tool, not necessarily to the exclusion of others. I am going to check it out, thanks again.
I thought that i was the only one that uses angle to judge on where i need to aim. to me every shot is an angle or number.
How do you find vision center
There are multiple approaches to doing it. Most off of them involve working with a straight in shot. Dr. Dave has a nice video here: th-cam.com/video/680o8EChP_o/w-d-xo.html. The problem with their technique is that they demonstrate using their vision to setup the straight in shot -- perhaps self defeating. I recommend using a laser line to setup donuts in a straight line and then place the balls on the donuts and confirm the alignment. Then use a bridge, perhaps, to setup a cue stick on the table addressing the CB and use a laser line to confirm it's straight on that line. Then stand behind the shot without touching the cue and try different head/eye positions/rotations and see what looks right.
In my case, BOTH dominant eye and a centered vision look right. Confusing!? So then I experimented with different distances -- close and far. Plus I tried shooting them both ways and then tried thin cut shots in both directions.
A further confusion is that seeing is a brain activity and it can vary day by day. Sometimes when I shoot, I see two target balls! Which one do I aim at? Perhaps there's some vision training program that could strengthen the eye/brain circuits and make them more consistent. I know of some, but don't have experience with them and pool shooting.
My recent Aiming Errors video (th-cam.com/video/0kg_KUG0MPc/w-d-xo.html) expands on alignment by having you consider your statistics of misses across all shots. I compute such statistics in my Angles Challenge 101 game. You could track such statistics across multiple games you play. Plus it recommends several products by others that help identify off-center cue stick alignment or hitting that might be caused by your vision center being off.
You could use my Angles Challenge 101 game and study straight in shots and see if there's a best eye position for you.
I will soon release a new version of my Aiming video where I will give a straight in visual (from my Angles Challenge 101 game) to help with this at home on the computer.
I won't like to be seated next to this guy on long long flight
Where do I get a aim right plastic temples?
It's simplest to purchase from Seyberts at www.seyberts.com/aimright-pool-billiards-aide. As I say in the description above and in the videos, you can contact me at AimPro.Billiards@gmail.com. I can sell to you directly via a paypal invoice.
@@aimprobilliards1009 The seyberts link doesn't work
The new link is www.seyberts.com/pool-billiard-practice-aids/aimright-v2.0-training-kit/
So, the ghost ball method is needed to use this
Not true at all. For general AimRight stroke, aiming and position play training, you can use any aiming method you want -- so long as you find that it works reliably. In my aiming video, I suggest a different method to be used during drill training IF you are working on STROKE MECHANICS. Otherwise, use ANY method you want.
For this angles based aiming, it's the same then as doing your AimRight drills [Buy one and do aiming/shooting drills]. You have learned how to aim each AimRight angle using your method of choice, so use that method and shoot the shot.
Personally, I use the method I recommend in my aiming video (and I have a similar method for thinner cuts). But it's personal choice.
The AimRight itself provides some features that are of help to people using: ghostball, contact point or fractional aiming. But again, use any method you wish.
Can slowly
I use the bottom of the ball to aim until I have to use the side of the ball I understand what you are saying though but it's just not that easy for some people I have been playing for 19 years so I know the angle just from seeing it 1,00000000000000000 times in my life lol