@ignister might try to trigger the second effect. It has to summon from hand a billion times and ends on the arrival cyberse anyways. The only other situation that I could see trigger it is if you Nibiru your opponent and they pass on the nib token with several hand traps. The biggest downside of the second effect is the shuffles are random, so it could hit a handtrap you were not using anyway for the matchup or it could hit your 1 card combo starter
The second effect doesn't really matter, since this card will almost always be played turn zero (i.e. going second on opp's turn 1, so before one has time to sculpt one's hand), and if the shuffle happens, you end with more cards than you started. Your hand was random before and after, the difference is that it has more cards now (which means there's a smaller chance you bricked in most decks). I think the main point of the second effect is to make stacking this effect on itself less absurdly overbearing against decks that want to summon from hand a few times.
I love the idea that it's an archetype and each one handles summons from a certain location. Basically redefining Maxx C away from the catch all that it is now and introduces a choice on which one you should play.
they should probably rework the majority of the new cards as well so they aren't a catch all spam summon copy pasta and actually make them unique because none of them are unique the only differences are the fucking names
@@zytha2890 Just remember that special summoning is a core mechanic of the game. Not every deck that uses it is doing so the same way just because it does it a lot.
4:48 Just because drawing a card isn't optimal does not make it a garnet. It's like saying you "bricked" when you open one starter and it gets negated. Word's have meaning people.
It's a hand trap that you absolutely can't use going first. I love this. Blind second staple and going to make a home in everyone's side deck (if not main because it might be worth the brick in case you lose the dice roll).
If the opponent special summons a lot from the hand its maxx-c. If they don't, its either upstart goblin or pot of greed. So I say its good. The whole "shuffle back cards that are over the number of monsters your opp controls + 6", only really matters if you nibiru your opp for all is life savings.
Even if you nib your opponent the shuffleback still doesn't really hurt you. First, that means that you've played at least 2 cards from hand, and still wound up with at least 8 (assuming your opponent ends turn with just the token). Which means that you got to draw 5 cards off of this (which is probably how you found your nib), nib'd their whole board away, and in exchange had to shuffle 1 random card back to your deck, and now you have 7 cards plus your draw next turn to crack back with.....where exactly is the downside?
@@phiefer3The downside is that you didn't end with the most card advantage possible. It's a limiting factor, albiet one which sets the ceiling high. I don't understand why anyone would make the shuffle clause out to be downside, since it literally cannot set one back in card advantage (barring really contrived scenarios), and one is meant to play it on one's turn 0 (i.e. before getting any chance to sculpt one's hand) anyways.
@@Haosnir In retrospect, the first use of "downside" in what you replied to should've had scare quotes around it, to make it clear that I didn't think it was a real downside. I thought "I don't understand why anyone would make the shuffle clause out to be downside" would make that clear, but scare quotes would've helped at no cost. TL;DR: Yes, the downside is that it isn't Maxx C and is merely a QP upstart at worst (technically, it's slightly worse than that, but it won't happen often that your opponent can do something competent without summoning from hand). Isn't that awful? I don't see how this card could ever see play with a floor _that_ low, especially with a ceiling below Maxx C's.
I'm pretty sure the second effect means that if you have the number of cards on the opponent's field + 6 cards in your hand, shuffle back the difference. (if they have 5 cards on the field: 5 + 6 = 11, if you have 16 cards you have to shuffle back 5)
It says shuffle back to the sum, and the number of cards your opponent controls isn't a sum¹ until you add 6. If one's opponent controls 5 cards and one has 16 cards, one must shuffle back to 11 = 6 + 5, because 11 is "the sum" of 6 and 5. I've seen some confusion here, and a literal reading of the effect leads to your conclusion, so hopefully Konami's localization is clearer than this text is. ¹(in everyday english)
The shuffling back doesn’t matter because it always lets you end with more than the 5 cards you’d be starting with anyways. If the worst case scenario is you go +2 that’s not bad anyways
It also only looks at hand count, not cards drawn. If the thing draws you into more hand traps and you use them then the shuffle back won’t even come up since it only comes up if your hand size exceeds 6
People aren't seeing that starting with 7 random cards from deck in hand is the same thing as your starting 5 and drawing two, except you got a full turn with handtraps before that. Shuffling back cards and bricking with 7 (after playing with hand trap, fyi) is, at worst, the same as bricking with 5 and drawing two extra cards. Nothings changed for you going second except you had the chance to draw more hand traps and disrupt your opponent. If you start with 5 random cards from your deck either way (cuz mulligans don't exist), I'll take 2 extra draws every time.
nah the hand advantage is already more than enough to play maxx c, but the shuffle also denies graveyard plays on your next turn if you didn't play everything on your turn or killed your opponent
Wait I thought that the final effect meant that you only shuffled if your hand was larger than 6+opponen't board. Like, if your opponent controlled 4 cards and you had 11 in hand you'd shuffle 1.
Yeah, so if they have 5 cards at the end phase you used chummy, if you have more than 11 in hand, you just keep 11 and shuffle back the extra. At random, but still pretty good
they should just fix the special summon problems maxx c only looks broken because modern yugioh is all about spam summoning for 15 mins straight which is beyond retarded lol i've said fuck it and started abusing maxx c ashblossom and other various hand traps in conjunction with exodia if they want to spam summon their deck like a sperg they can go ahead and kill themselves with exodia
While you were explaining the downsides I really though you were understanding the effect wrong like many people before the ygorg translation and thought the opponent would be able to handrip you if they linked everything away As you said worst case scenario for the Jelly Challenge is a 7 card opener, again a single card on the field, in a metagame where you often just need a single card to go full combo on the crackback
Yea, I don't think people are paying enough attention to this part. The reshuffle doesn't matter too much cuz 1-of handtraps get good value here, but it's not gonna draw as much as maxx c does cuz it's not drawing off of synchroing, linking, etc.
Against basically every single deck in existance you at least break even, it does enough to make me worried even tho its still less than maxx c @sizzl75
yes, which means its only really good against floo, and maybe some rituals, but the majority of decks special summon from every other location that is not the hand, and the reshuffling is hit and miss because its either lose a god hand or potentially put the bricks back
@@sizzl75also the reshuffle is a minimum of 6 if your opponent ends on nothing on their field, if they end on 1 card that would be 7 in hand before your turn without worrying about reshuffling, which is 3 summons your opponent has done from hand
I’m fairly certain MBT is understanding the card’s End Phase effect wrong? It reads to me like you shuffle down if your cards in hand are greater than the number of cards your opponent controls + 6. So if they control 3 cards, you can have up to 9 before you shuffle back down to 9.
@@KyunaCookies"The sum of monsters your opponent controls"... isn't a sum.¹ It's a count. In the context of that sentence, "sum" _must_ refer to [opp # controlled cards + 6], else the word "sum" wouldn't have been used, because there would be no addition. Hopefully Konami finds a clearer way to write this effect when they localize it. Reading the card literally makes you correct. The word "sum" tells us to avoid reading it that way, but it would be better if a literal reading lined up with the rules. ¹In math, there is such a thing as a sum of one element, but in non-mathematical English, such a construct doesn't make sense. We use the word "sum" to refer to adding more than one thing together, often as redundancy to make sure our sentences are clear.
@@KyunaCookies wait you THINK if they control 3 cards and you have more than 9 (3+6) you have to shuffle 6 and go down to 3, because thats the number of cards they control?
This card gives me hope that they're finally going to ban Maxx C in the OCG and (more importantly for me personally) MD, it makes no sense to have both be legal. Also this card is way less annoying to go up against and doesn't completely invalidate every single archetype that summons a lot.
Why? These cards actively conflict with each other. If you max C then your opponent has no fear of going in hard because then you can shuffle most of them back in the endphase
It more like the new direction they took, in case like printing poplar for newer archetype support or we can assume there will be another snake eyes type of deck, even for tcg kinda nice to have balanced maxx c
@@geiseric222 it's still atleast 1 card advantage average during your going second that will become a 7 card during your draw phase, going second and having 7 cards on your hand it's a pretty good position to be, even more if you're opponent had to change it's endboard to deny your card advantage, but if you reach a 8 card hand you probably win the game going second with all the insane board breakers on the game, even if your opponent let only one card on the field you probably win since 6 card will always be a insane advantage against 1
@@danielhertz1984 but that’s pointless. Like I do not think this card is very good but even if you think it’s good there is zero reason to play it and Maxx C as you will just end up drawing those cards….with Maxx C
hopefully they ban the majority of new cards since they've made a huge chunk of the game's cards unplayable or at the very least fix those cards so there's no identity among them anymore just like the newer cards yes they are all the fucking same they summon to special summon to discard which triggers another effect that special summons etc etc etc etc etc its fucking stupid the only differences i've seen are the names of the cards they play the fucking same :L there's no gimmicks or uniqueness or anything which was the entire point of yugioh originally
The shuffle back effect literally doesn't matter, your starting hand is 5. If they manage to summon monsters enough to get you over the threshold you're still +1 in your draw phase and they only have 1 monster on the board. You win.
I think the purpose of the shuffle effect is to make stacking the effects riskier. Because, if the current translations we have are accurate, you're allowed to have 2 of this guy's effect active at once, which means 2 draws per summon from hand. And that can bloat your hand extremely fast, and makes the threshold for shuffling cards back easier to hit. Also, I'm in the camp of people who are theorizing that they're going to release more cards like this in the future but do the same thing, but give you draws based on summons from different locations. If you have this effect stacked with an effect that gives you a draw for each Extra Deck summon, that will also put you at risk of shuffling back a lot faster.
wrong. if you’re opponent consolidates their end board into 2 or 3 monsters with interactive effects, assuming they summoned at minimum 5 times from the hand, the player who activated Minn C will have to shuffle back cards at random until they have have 3, essentially starting with 4 cards because of their draw for turn. You have to really hope that you draw into another hand trap if you don’t want to make up for the lost advantage. Of course this could all be wrong when we find out how the official translation for this card is going to be.
@@Xarf93you misunderstand the effect, you shuffle back the difference between the cards on the opponents board + 6 and your hand size. If your opponent ends on no cards, you shuffle down to 6 cards in hand, if your opponent controls 2 cards you shuffle back down to 8 cards. Furthermore, you still get your draw phase, so you would start with 7 and 9 card hand in each scenario respectively.
It doesn't have a "once per turn", instead it has a very exotic "once this archetype per turn" which is very interesting. Perhaps these water guys will be a bunch of reworked, more powerful handtraps, and you gotta choose which one to use as they cannot be used in the same turn despite being different cards. The opposite to the handtraps we are familiar with; imagine if you had ash, imperm, nibiru, belle, and ogre in your hand, but you could only use 2 handtraps per turn. Crazy.
The end phase cap seems entirely because this card doesn't (seem to) include a once per turn for itself. Theoretically you could drop 3 of it at the start of the opponent's turn and draw 3 for every hand summon. Then you'll *likely* have to shuffle a few back
the condition seems to be more like a roundabout hard-twice-per-turn. the effect itself isn't hopt, but it gives you only 1 other multchummy card effect that turn, which includes other copies of itself
@@prodmoira No, there isn't. There are two current translations for the card: "You can only activate the effects of other "Multchummy" monsters once the turn you activate this effect." Which does not make Purulia itself HOPT, and "During the turn you activate this card’s effect, you can only activate 1 “Multchummy” monster effect, not counting this card’s." Which also does not make Purulia itself HOPT. Learn to read.
Also remember, if you wanna plus out the normal summon you have to shotgun this. In theory agaisnt decks that dont even rely on the NS could even deny you that draw
6:56 You said that the wrong way. If *( Your hand )* is BIGGER than *( Sum of **_[Number of Cards Opponent Conrols]_** +6 )* you shuffle away until it’s equal. If they have 6 cards they control, you can have 12 cards in hand without shuffling back, while if you have 13 cards in hand, you shuffle 1 random card from it back into the deck.
Honestly, one of the most interesting thing about this card as a hand trap is its statline/typing. It could have some recursion with tearlaments, or salvage, and has a few ways to go straight to grave. If there's a consistent water strategy to loop this every turn, that could actually be pretty strong in the grind game
What I'm most curious about is the clause where you can only activate one other card of it's archetype per turn. It makes me think that other powerful handtraps like Ash and Nib will ne turned into adorable little squids and cut the number of times you can handtrap your opponent down to 2
@@prodmoira I'm gonna put on the tin foil hat for a second Konami banned Baronne, Savage Dragon, Linkuriboh and a bunch of relevant generic extra deck stuff while also boosting some potentially powerful archetypal stuff, there's not a completely unreasonable case that the goal will be to make generic cards like Ash and Nib just worse versions of these cute lil squids (or other monsters), or, in other terms, make the game reach a state where the archetypal power level is superceding the power you get playing pile decks (which pile decks are my idea of old school yugioh don't @ me) Okay now that the tinfoil hat is off, give me back my Kitkallos please Konami
@delta3244 they won't do that though. They've been trying to lower the cards on the ban list for years. Why would they ban a bunch of fair cards just to implement worse versions that no one will play 😂
@@prodmoira Because people might play the worse versions if the good ones are banned. If Ash Blossom was banned, but this archetype had an exact clone plus the archetypal twice per turn, people would play this archetype's version.
My take on this card is that the downside is barely a downside at all. most decks are gonna be limited on what they can do by virtue of once per turn effects so having to shuffle what is essentially discard fodder at that point makes little difference. also im pretty sure you explained it wrong at first, its if the number of cards in your hand is greater than the number on their field +6, not if the number of cards in your hand + the number of cards on their field is less than 6. that would just be stupid, you would never activate this card
7:00 No? It literally says cards on field + 6. Not exceeding the number 6. It only affects you if you're at say, 9 cards versus a 2 card endboard. That's obviously not most endboards so the restriction is mostly just there so that the number of draws does have a cap come your turn. The cap is pretty generous. A 6 card endboard (say 3 mons 3 backrow) gives you a max handsize of TWELVE.
@sallas09 No he doesn't. The next line he mentions having Flamberge, Formula, Savage, equip, Popular and field spell at 12 cards would make you shuffle. That's literally not true. 6 cards +6 is 12 max handsize.
@@meathir4921 8:28 "It's not hard to imagine the Snake-Eye board I just described linking everything into Apollousa at the very end so their opponent is all but guaranteed to hit the threshold. I just don't think that's really feasible. And that's for the second reason, which is: I don't think there is any card that can theoretically beat back a 7 card opener." 1 monster on board = user shuffles until they have 7 cards in hand. He gets it.
@@meathir4921 In fairness, even with two or three reads the text is a little difficult to parse. In fact, the translators themselves say they're not entire clear on it since the effect is using language that the game hasn't seen before.
The first condition where you can only activate one card of the archetype per turn makes me believe they are going to make an archetype akin to the Ghost Sisters for each summoning location (Extra Deck, Main Deck and GY). I like how instead of errataing Maxx "C" they are just making it an archetype thay is way less powerful and situational.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "sum +6" would mean that if your opponent has 6 cards on the field at end phase, your hand would be allowed to safely hold 12 cards but 13 or more results in cards being sent back to deck
@@danielhertz1984 You see, I think that's putting too much hope onto Konami. We collectively assumed Telefon would get errated shortly after release to not allow it to summon itself. Nope.
@@cwovictor3281 telefon only got to be a problem when they added cannon soldier to the mix, but even when it was realesed the link pool was not enough with how fragile the setup was, konami only showed us that the game got to a point infinite material doesn't mean game like it was with Pre-errata Firewall
@@zytha2890 my man the game will never slow down again, it's not 2009 nor 2018, not even 3 maxx c in every deck could slow down the meta game, the only way to go is forward and make that going forward feeling nice, even if they banned half of the card pool (5000+) the game would still be the core mechanic
It’s an attempt to balance Maxx “C” so the OCG/Master Duel can ban C. Sorta the Fishborg Launcher to Maxx C’s Fishborg Blaster, as the easiest example off the top of my head. Will it see play, probably, but at worst it spikes Crossout Designator in the TCG while we all worry our format gets to play the Maxx C Mini Game.
I think people aren't thinking about the fact that there is no downside to playing this card. This card is practically pot of greed+ or a turn skip for your opponent. Every deck at least is normal summoning right? So it's upstart at its worst that nets you a card that could be a handtrap.
With operative words like "from the hand" and "if you control no cards", it certainly won't have a lot of the lowest lows that C causes, but we'll have to wait and see if a C-level of draw is powerful enough on its own to remain one of the more controversial cards.
Hi old ygo player who just watches content nowadays and IVE BEEN READING THIS CARD AS THOUGH IT ONLY WORKS ON NORMAL SUMMONS I WAS SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHY PEOPLE CARED LMAO
Whether or not this card is good, I for one am not happy to see it. Completely ignoring the implications of it being a "new maxx c" the design philosophy of hand traps that have lingering effects is nothing short of terrible in my opinion. Cards like droll, shifter, and now this do not promote skillful play, and unlike ash blossom which has counter play in the form of chain blocking/baiting, or targeted negation like veiler/imperm which can be dodged with a variety of effects, these cards have no such thing as counter play aside from just negating them. If it is in your opponents hand, they will use it the first possible moment they get because the effects linger for the rest of the turn. There's no sort of thought or decision making behind it, and that is what I hate about any handtraps that have lingering effects. I do not think this is a good or healthy design for any hand traps to have in this game and I thought Konami would be past this by now but much like printing FTKs, I guess I was wrong about how much they've learned.
Not only that, but the implication that you can only activate effects from that monster's archetype, it means we could have one for summons from grave, one from extra deck and one from deck, which if you ask me is great. Maxx "C" gets banned in Master Duel, and everyone gets sideboard options agaist the desired summoning spam mechanic.
It's good because now it's 6vs6 handtraps and it's counter, I hate it when my Maxx c get ashed turn 1 and I have to deal with baron etc on the field. Now it's guaranteed draw in my turn even if my opponent ashed my Maxx c.
Yah boss the people who are talking about the shuffle back effect... are folks not understanding that you calculate the "+6" into the shuffle back. so they think that if you leave one monster on the board you have to shuffle until you have 1 card in hand. Because they're stupid and cant read.
MBT- a slight error in your video, 6:43 here the card says extra cards over n+6 is shuffled into deck at random, not discarded (n being the number of cards your opponent controls on the field)
Lol this thing kills normal summon decks more than special summon ones... Do remember floo isn't the only deck relying on normal summon, although if you're a metasheep of course you won't remember
Am I going crazy? The way you described the last effect sounds wildly incorrect The card reads "If the number of cards in your hand is more than the sum of cards op controls +6" What you said is "if the sum of ops fields+your hand > 6" and that's just straight up not the same thing. Can you please explain how you're getting to where you're at? The way I'm reading it just means your gains are always going to be limited by how much your op commits to a wide board, which makes complete and total sense.
I feel the last line to shuffle back is more there to prevent the "Deck out game" ppl sometimes play in Master Duel where instead of trying to win they go on a special summoning spree in hopes they can just end turn and win by deck out (it normally doesnt work and just wastes time)
The last line doesn't prevent that. The shuffle happens after all draws have already happened. If those draws deck a player, then that player loses before they would shuffle back. The minigame still exists. If anything, what will prevent people from trying to play that game is the fact that this card only grants draws for summons from hand. First because that places them in a less desperate state than Maxx C would, and second because winning that minigame typically requires many summons from not-hand. (edit - typo)
One interesting thing I noticed about this card, the way it's translated: it technically doesn't have a once per turn clause. Its restriction clause allows you to activate this card's name exactly twice per turn. So if you open two copies, you can resolve this through Ash blossom. Also, you might be able to draw 2 cards per summon, though I'm less certain about that part.
This card has what every Handtrap should have printed on it: "If you control no monsters". This fixes pretty much all issues people have with them and solves a lot of frustrating scenarios. a.e. the full board Maxx C drop
I'm curious about the "you can only use 1 other multchummy monster effect this turn" part. It implies that either you can stack 2 which, if you didn't draw a handtraps with the effects, mean nothing or that it's gonna be part of an Archetype that, because you must have an empty board, has multiple handtraps or cards that special summon itself during the Oponents turn.
I'm surprised you didn't discuss the clause that you can only activate 1 other multchummy effect that turn. I think it's pretty clear that this will not be the only multchummy card. It would logically make sense for there to be ones for summoning from grave, deck, ED, banished. That way they can replace maxx c by only letting you draw from 2 summon locations and making you commit more main or side deck space to counter things.
I'm not sure I understand what he was getting at near the end there, why would your opponent intentionally force you to shuffle cards back into your deck? That just means you've gone so plus that it shouldn't matter how many cards you have to put back. Like, if your opponent gets you up to 11 cards intentionally and then ends on 1 monster, sure you have to shuffle back 4 cards, but you still went +2. If they just summoned 3 cards from their hand like normal, it would've been better for them, since you'd have less chances to draw handtraps.
He's saying what you're inferring, that intentionally trying to force the user to shuffle cards back is a losing gambit because they're already going to be up by so many cards anyway, even after the shuffle. As such, I don't think that's what that effect is for. I think the real purpose of that last effect is to make stacking the effect a riskier prospect. With current translations and how we seem to understand the card, you are only allowed to activate at most 2 Multchummy effects per turn, and this can include 2 copies of this card, or 1 Purulia and 1 of a future card of the same archetype. In the first case, that means 2 draws off of every summon from the hand, and that can put you at risk of shuffling back fast. For the second case, a lot of people are speculating that they may release future Multchummy cards that give you draws when your opponent summons from different locations. There might be one that's tied to the main deck, one for the graveyard, one from the Extra Deck, etc. And if you have two of these guys active at once and are drawing cards from two different sources, that will also bloat your hand quickly.
@@sallas09 He talked about it like it was a weakness of the card, but wasn't currently that big of a deal due to a lack of strong end board monsters. To me, it seems like that effect will never be relevant outside of the situation you've brought up, which is why I was confused
I think the end phase clause as translated at least is there mostly for when used in combination with other effects like this. Its not inconceivable they printed one that says special from extra deck and suddenly -1 +5 has shifted to -2 + 10.
but, does it matter to play Ash just for this? Maxx C is a different beast to handle and definitely requires Ash unless youre brave enough to challenge it, but this card is just a "bad cosplay" that happened to be good enough to look into Maxx C. i dont think it will matter enough to be running Ash all the time unless you summon from hand like 10 times in one turn
The good thing about this is that getting a second copy during the first turn when you go second isn't exactly a dead draw since you can activate the second copy for extra draws against decks that don't summon that much or use it to ensure the effect goes through if they negate the first one. Also still have the option to use it when going second on your turn against decks that summon from the hand during the opponent's turn, just have to use it before you commit to the board. The card also technically have some use when going first against decks that could do "turn 0" plays if they summon from the hand a lot. Not sure if there's a meta deck now that does that, but it would be useful when there's one. Also I find it nice that for maximum value you need to commit the card before your opponent start playing because even the single normal summon per turn on most decks is important, that way your opponents would get an idea of how much they should commit before making their plays. Or maybe you could hold it in hand against decks that commit into greedy lines early and fire it after they go for the greedy line instead of the safe line and can't back out anymore.
When are you playing it? At what time do you expect to control zero cards while your opponent is summoning from hand, when you go first, where you haven't already lost even with this card?
If it lives exclusively in the side deck, then it'll just be like Maxx C early in its life. Also funny enough, this is a Maxx C that works on Floo. So get fucked birds.
Its Konami OCG telling us they intentionally balance this game around Maxx C, and that we should stop bitching that the game is unbalanced with the card meant to do that banned.
@@mateusrp1994 that is so true when I played Master duel players did not hesitate to use ash blossom & joyous spring to stop maxx c. In other words it's completely Fair
This has been precisely my thoughts on Maxx Sea. Strong? Yes Included in every deck? Ya probably Game breaking? Highly unlikely Finally a way to get Maxx C banned in EVERY format? Cowabunga
@@Octavio92ify dog it was like 5am when I wrote that you’re lucky it was a somewhat coherent sentence. But yes I was referring to the drawback/downside. Regardless half the vid was discussing an occurrence that won’t happen.
I didn't realize until this video that the cards you shuffle back at EP are random; and that makes this card SO much worse. To the point where I don't even think it's good. Definitely a decent card, but the fact that you can't sculpt your hand to exactly counter your opponent's board and then combo off makes me feel like it's not worth all the restrictions, and therefore not worth playing. I'm most likely wrong, but I'm probably going to be a naysayer until I see this card in practice.
It’s insane and absolutely ban worthy. The amount of copium people are huffing saying it’s meta dependant is insane. Just about every deck on the planet normal summons. You shotgun it in draw/standby and you’re damn near guaranteed to at least trade 1 for 1. It’s like Phantazmay on steroids. That end of turn restriction also only looks at hand count, not number of cards drawn. So any more additional hand traps it draws you into helps retain as much hand advantage at the end of the turn. Plus shuffling back duplicate HOPTs or garnets isn’t even a downside. Drawing cards off your opponent playing the game just isn’t a balanced effect and ends up making these sorts of cards a Vanity’s Emptiness from hand. Like yeah you can go ahead and play into it, but I’m practically guaranteed to draw into side deck cards and starters and extenders to OTK on my turn so it’s not really a decision you can make. Absolutely god awful card design that functionally reads “play the game and lose, or pass and also lose.” A 1 for 1 at worst that’s potentially turn ending at best that draws you into additional hand traps and side deck cards is beyond busted. Arguably main deck worthy too because of how potentially strong it is. I’ll gladly take a +2 against SE Fire King, draw into more hand traps, and completely end their turn. The closest thing to a Maxx C fix there is would be something that does burn damage. Not turn ending because you’re not doubling your opponent’s starting hand, you’re just massively reducing how hard it is to OTK. Gaining LP just isn’t an impactful deterrent and the whole time thing isn’t an issue because Spooky Dogwood already exists. Drawing cards is just too strong of a thing to let a hand trap do.
2 things. 1. Keep in mind this does absolutely nothing going first. 2. The cards you shuffle back are random, so you can't just choose to shuffle back garnets and duplicates.
@ leonjakobsen272 It’s impactful enough that potentially bricking on it going first is a worthwhile risk, sorta like Gamma. The card shuffling effect will almost never come into effect. Even if you consolidate everything into a single card, your opponent still gets to keep up to 7 cards. This is doubly important because this card functions like Phantazmay in that its main benefit is drawing you into hand traps. Except unlike Phantazmay, it’s proactive and doesn’t kill any drawn copies of Imperm. Drawing 3 and pitching 2 hand traps so your hand is nothing but gas will keep you under the card limit. It’s not even a restriction. The only way it’d be passable is if it prevented you from activating other cards that turn, but you can still continue to throw out drawn hand traps so that restriction won’t ever come up.
I had the fortune to start with this card in my hand twice in a row (going second) using a 60 card deck and in both cases I had the misfortune that my opponents just special summoned from the graveyard and extra deck without even normal summoning🤣
why is that last line being treat as a downside? it's an upper limit on the upside, not a potential detriment to playing it. going out of your way to manipulate the number of summons compared to cards on field during end phase is not a strategy that will fuck with your opponent. it's just... damage control.
I really hope they introduce an entire archetype of multchummy cards who gain advantage off of being shuffled into the deck in order to facilitate aqua combos. Like imagine this being general aquactress support.
Like the idea of a hard going-second handtrap, but my only real wish is that they positioned it like Droll in a way where you could trigger it after their first summon, regardless of whether it's a normal or special. This would give it a potential punish in Talents too, whereas right now shotgunning it in the draw phase feels a little too free to not do for the (almost) guaranteed Upstart, similar to Shifter.
It's important to be aware that YGOorg isn't sure themselves, so we cannot rely on the wording of the translation until we see OCG rulings. The translator gave their best guess, which is that if opp controls 2, player shuffles from 9 to 7 in hand. It remains to be seen whether that is correct.
I've just been calling it Jelly "C"
Well the C stands for Cockroach, so it would be Maxx “J” I guess 😮
"C"hums
@@halyoalex8942 Jolly "J"
Maxx sea
“C”hummy
@ignister might try to trigger the second effect. It has to summon from hand a billion times and ends on the arrival cyberse anyways. The only other situation that I could see trigger it is if you Nibiru your opponent and they pass on the nib token with several hand traps. The biggest downside of the second effect is the shuffles are random, so it could hit a handtrap you were not using anyway for the matchup or it could hit your 1 card combo starter
Not saying this to downplay, this is an absurd card that I'm excited to play with
The second effect doesn't really matter, since this card will almost always be played turn zero (i.e. going second on opp's turn 1, so before one has time to sculpt one's hand), and if the shuffle happens, you end with more cards than you started. Your hand was random before and after, the difference is that it has more cards now (which means there's a smaller chance you bricked in most decks). I think the main point of the second effect is to make stacking this effect on itself less absurdly overbearing against decks that want to summon from hand a few times.
I love the idea that it's an archetype and each one handles summons from a certain location.
Basically redefining Maxx C away from the catch all that it is now and introduces a choice on which one you should play.
they should probably rework the majority of the new cards as well so they aren't a catch all spam summon copy pasta and actually make them unique
because none of them are unique
the only differences are the fucking names
@@zytha2890
There's always plenty of unique cards being released, it's just they're hardly ever meta-relevant so nobody talks about them.
@@zytha2890 Just remember that special summoning is a core mechanic of the game. Not every deck that uses it is doing so the same way just because it does it a lot.
@@MeriliremThen why do we end with the same end results/end board almost every single time?
As one of the player of ursarctic community, this card fucc us right in the arse
Next meta deck is just gonna be continuous spells that can attack you directly
it's a l4 water with low atk so it's perfect for marincess and that's a win in my book
If you activate this your opponent will be jelly....C
4:48 Just because drawing a card isn't optimal does not make it a garnet. It's like saying you "bricked" when you open one starter and it gets negated. Word's have meaning people.
Very excited for this short printed secret rare
Brother… don’t put that evil into the world!
@@beo9057
That evil already exists. It is too late.
@antman7673 haha yep
From a rare in the OCG again?
Bet they're printing them as we speak.
Under The "C" is going to be busted I bet.
I sea what you did there
Nice joke, that was pretty funny when I saw it on dougs video an hour ago.
I fucking hate how perfect this name is.
Water you talking about?@@deadlineuniverse3189
I wished they stayed under permanently
Finally...Maxx "c" 2
More like minn c
Finally, Maxx C at 6
"If Maxx C's so good why isn't there a Maxx C 2"
Konami: "We have an announcement..."
And like most sequels, it sucks compared to it's prequel
We really got maxx c 2 before gta 6
We're really gonna get minn C before silksong :(
Don’t driver half life 3
And before Elder Scrolls 6
And portal 3
And ENA Dream BBQ :(
Was worried when the title didn't include Minn "C". Glad you put that fear to rest
It's a hand trap that you absolutely can't use going first. I love this. Blind second staple and going to make a home in everyone's side deck (if not main because it might be worth the brick in case you lose the dice roll).
would go straight into my cydrabuild
You can deifntely use this going first. Even if you discard your still drawing hand traps and get to pick your hand at the end of the turn.
@@frankanderson3368you would need to control no cards to activate it is the thing, which is not a great end board
@@frankanderson3368 you field needs to be empty to activate it my friend
Why cant you? Just use it before anything. There's decks that play turn 0 like labyrinth for one
If the opponent special summons a lot from the hand its maxx-c.
If they don't, its either upstart goblin or pot of greed.
So I say its good.
The whole "shuffle back cards that are over the number of monsters your opp controls + 6", only really matters if you nibiru your opp for all is life savings.
Even if you nib your opponent the shuffleback still doesn't really hurt you. First, that means that you've played at least 2 cards from hand, and still wound up with at least 8 (assuming your opponent ends turn with just the token). Which means that you got to draw 5 cards off of this (which is probably how you found your nib), nib'd their whole board away, and in exchange had to shuffle 1 random card back to your deck, and now you have 7 cards plus your draw next turn to crack back with.....where exactly is the downside?
@@phiefer3The downside is that you didn't end with the most card advantage possible. It's a limiting factor, albiet one which sets the ceiling high. I don't understand why anyone would make the shuffle clause out to be downside, since it literally cannot set one back in card advantage (barring really contrived scenarios), and one is meant to play it on one's turn 0 (i.e. before getting any chance to sculpt one's hand) anyways.
@@delta3244 So the downside of this card is "isnt Maxx C, but just at least Better Upstart Goblin"?
@@Haosnir In retrospect, the first use of "downside" in what you replied to should've had scare quotes around it, to make it clear that I didn't think it was a real downside. I thought "I don't understand why anyone would make the shuffle clause out to be downside" would make that clear, but scare quotes would've helped at no cost.
TL;DR: Yes, the downside is that it isn't Maxx C and is merely a QP upstart at worst (technically, it's slightly worse than that, but it won't happen often that your opponent can do something competent without summoning from hand). Isn't that awful? I don't see how this card could ever see play with a floor _that_ low, especially with a ceiling below Maxx C's.
2:44
Me when the camera zooms out for exactly 1 frame.
i know EXACTLY how it happened and if the editor reads this comment: i know your pain
I hate that I've seen it the first time but I can't anymore
Does anyone know what this hidden Easter egg is?
ultra rare dire mistake
(use < and > to advance by frame)
@@ichbinschwul187 When you accidentally double keyframe and don't catch it FML
I'm pretty sure the second effect means that if you have the number of cards on the opponent's field + 6 cards in your hand, shuffle back the difference. (if they have 5 cards on the field: 5 + 6 = 11, if you have 16 cards you have to shuffle back 5)
Yeah, and the good is that's not opt, so you can dodge ash/called/crossout lika 2 droll.
@@fakhrifr7833 It also means if you open 2, you get to have the effect stack up twice!
@@colinbrown5646 it's an hard once per turn
It says shuffle back to the sum, and the number of cards your opponent controls isn't a sum¹ until you add 6. If one's opponent controls 5 cards and one has 16 cards, one must shuffle back to 11 = 6 + 5, because 11 is "the sum" of 6 and 5.
I've seen some confusion here, and a literal reading of the effect leads to your conclusion, so hopefully Konami's localization is clearer than this text is.
¹(in everyday english)
@@omardanelli2911 A second copy of purulia still counts as a different monster.
The shuffling back doesn’t matter because it always lets you end with more than the 5 cards you’d be starting with anyways. If the worst case scenario is you go +2 that’s not bad anyways
Not true
ehhh depends could go from a semi-okay hand to a complete brickhand sometimes its fine sometimes RNGESUS Just hates your guts
It also only looks at hand count, not cards drawn. If the thing draws you into more hand traps and you use them then the shuffle back won’t even come up since it only comes up if your hand size exceeds 6
People aren't seeing that starting with 7 random cards from deck in hand is the same thing as your starting 5 and drawing two, except you got a full turn with handtraps before that.
Shuffling back cards and bricking with 7 (after playing with hand trap, fyi) is, at worst, the same as bricking with 5 and drawing two extra cards. Nothings changed for you going second except you had the chance to draw more hand traps and disrupt your opponent. If you start with 5 random cards from your deck either way (cuz mulligans don't exist), I'll take 2 extra draws every time.
If you manage to brick with 7 cards in hand, you might as well change the way you build your deck. Or switch to a better deck.
The end phase effect is mostly aimed to reduce the extreme hand advantage the player may have after dropping nibiru on the comboing player, no?
nah the hand advantage is already more than enough to play maxx c, but the shuffle also denies graveyard plays on your next turn if you didn't play everything on your turn or killed your opponent
it is stilll stupidly high
@@americantimemachine7128 balances it as well.
@@Xero-rr2ol no card that goes +3 will ever be "balanced." It will just be like just a lower dose of steroids
@@americantimemachine7128for this type of effect its the most balanced it can be where the card will see play but isn't derogatory like Maxx c
I love maxx Sea personally
You droppes this 👑
Wait I thought that the final effect meant that you only shuffled if your hand was larger than 6+opponen't board. Like, if your opponent controlled 4 cards and you had 11 in hand you'd shuffle 1.
pretty sure it is, i believe he misspoke in the video
I believe you would shuffle 7 because it meets the +6 requirement.
@@jtalkalot19 according to translators, you shuffle back the cards exceeding the sum of their board+6, not just their board
Yeah, so if they have 5 cards at the end phase you used chummy, if you have more than 11 in hand, you just keep 11 and shuffle back the extra. At random, but still pretty good
@peterbob1407 okay. that's no fun. You can't punish your opponent for playing it.
Playerbase : "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BAN MAXX C!"
Konami : "So here's 3 more copies of Maxx C per deck. That's what you wanted, right?"
they should just fix the special summon problems
maxx c only looks broken because modern yugioh is all about spam summoning for 15 mins straight which is beyond retarded lol i've said fuck it and started abusing maxx c ashblossom and other various hand traps in conjunction with exodia
if they want to spam summon their deck like a sperg they can go ahead and kill themselves with exodia
Playing the OCG with this and Maxx "C" legal would be suffocating to the extreme.
3 copies of Maxx C that even Floo can't ignore, at that.
While you were explaining the downsides I really though you were understanding the effect wrong like many people before the ygorg translation and thought the opponent would be able to handrip you if they linked everything away
As you said worst case scenario for the Jelly Challenge is a 7 card opener, again a single card on the field, in a metagame where you often just need a single card to go full combo on the crackback
But it is a *random* shuffle, so you might brick :)
@@Greg501- If you have a seven card hand and brick you need a better deck
Yea he worded it extremely poorly up until he clarified a little while later
@@ChampionMarxeh being incredibly unlucky and you brick can any size of a hand.
Example
3 ash
2 min c
2 bricks that do nothing in hand
@@Fruad_joactivate 2 Under the C next turn, pass
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this only drew when your opponent specifically normal / special summoned from the hand ?
Correct
Yea, I don't think people are paying enough attention to this part. The reshuffle doesn't matter too much cuz 1-of handtraps get good value here, but it's not gonna draw as much as maxx c does cuz it's not drawing off of synchroing, linking, etc.
Against basically every single deck in existance you at least break even, it does enough to make me worried even tho its still less than maxx c @sizzl75
yes, which means its only really good against floo, and maybe some rituals, but the majority of decks special summon from every other location that is not the hand, and the reshuffling is hit and miss because its either lose a god hand or potentially put the bricks back
@@sizzl75also the reshuffle is a minimum of 6 if your opponent ends on nothing on their field, if they end on 1 card that would be 7 in hand before your turn without worrying about reshuffling, which is 3 summons your opponent has done from hand
I’m fairly certain MBT is understanding the card’s End Phase effect wrong? It reads to me like you shuffle down if your cards in hand are greater than the number of cards your opponent controls + 6. So if they control 3 cards, you can have up to 9 before you shuffle back down to 9.
I think he just misspoke initially, because he later says that you would end up with 7 cards in hand if the opponent ended on 1 monster
No?
It says "that sum +6"
And it shuffles down to that sum
That sum is the original total, without the +6
@@KyunaCookies"The sum of monsters your opponent controls"... isn't a sum.¹ It's a count. In the context of that sentence, "sum" _must_ refer to [opp # controlled cards + 6], else the word "sum" wouldn't have been used, because there would be no addition.
Hopefully Konami finds a clearer way to write this effect when they localize it. Reading the card literally makes you correct. The word "sum" tells us to avoid reading it that way, but it would be better if a literal reading lined up with the rules.
¹In math, there is such a thing as a sum of one element, but in non-mathematical English, such a construct doesn't make sense. We use the word "sum" to refer to adding more than one thing together, often as redundancy to make sure our sentences are clear.
@@KyunaCookies wait you THINK if they control 3 cards and you have more than 9 (3+6) you have to shuffle 6 and go down to 3, because thats the number of cards they control?
Calling this "Under the "C"" would go so hard... I'm stealing that.
This card gives me hope that they're finally going to ban Maxx C in the OCG and (more importantly for me personally) MD, it makes no sense to have both be legal. Also this card is way less annoying to go up against and doesn't completely invalidate every single archetype that summons a lot.
Why? These cards actively conflict with each other. If you max C then your opponent has no fear of going in hard because then you can shuffle most of them back in the endphase
It more like the new direction they took, in case like printing poplar for newer archetype support or we can assume there will be another snake eyes type of deck, even for tcg kinda nice to have balanced maxx c
@@geiseric222 it's still atleast 1 card advantage average during your going second that will become a 7 card during your draw phase, going second and having 7 cards on your hand it's a pretty good position to be, even more if you're opponent had to change it's endboard to deny your card advantage, but if you reach a 8 card hand you probably win the game going second with all the insane board breakers on the game, even if your opponent let only one card on the field you probably win since 6 card will always be a insane advantage against 1
@@danielhertz1984 but that’s pointless. Like I do not think this card is very good but even if you think it’s good there is zero reason to play it and Maxx C as you will just end up drawing those cards….with Maxx C
hopefully they ban the majority of new cards since they've made a huge chunk of the game's cards unplayable
or at the very least fix those cards so there's no identity among them anymore just like the newer cards
yes they are all the fucking same
they summon to special summon to discard which triggers another effect that special summons etc etc etc etc etc its fucking stupid
the only differences i've seen are the names of the cards
they play the fucking same :L there's no gimmicks or uniqueness or anything which was the entire point of yugioh originally
The shuffle back effect literally doesn't matter, your starting hand is 5. If they manage to summon monsters enough to get you over the threshold you're still +1 in your draw phase and they only have 1 monster on the board. You win.
I think the purpose of the shuffle effect is to make stacking the effects riskier. Because, if the current translations we have are accurate, you're allowed to have 2 of this guy's effect active at once, which means 2 draws per summon from hand. And that can bloat your hand extremely fast, and makes the threshold for shuffling cards back easier to hit. Also, I'm in the camp of people who are theorizing that they're going to release more cards like this in the future but do the same thing, but give you draws based on summons from different locations. If you have this effect stacked with an effect that gives you a draw for each Extra Deck summon, that will also put you at risk of shuffling back a lot faster.
wrong. if you’re opponent consolidates their end board into 2 or 3 monsters with interactive effects, assuming they summoned at minimum 5 times from the hand, the player who activated Minn C will have to shuffle back cards at random until they have have 3, essentially starting with 4 cards because of their draw for turn. You have to really hope that you draw into another hand trap if you don’t want to make up for the lost advantage. Of course this could all be wrong when we find out how the official translation for this card is going to be.
@@Xarf93you misunderstand the effect, you shuffle back the difference between the cards on the opponents board + 6 and your hand size.
If your opponent ends on no cards, you shuffle down to 6 cards in hand, if your opponent controls 2 cards you shuffle back down to 8 cards. Furthermore, you still get your draw phase, so you would start with 7 and 9 card hand in each scenario respectively.
It doesn't have a "once per turn", instead it has a very exotic "once this archetype per turn" which is very interesting.
Perhaps these water guys will be a bunch of reworked, more powerful handtraps, and you gotta choose which one to use as they cannot be used in the same turn despite being different cards.
The opposite to the handtraps we are familiar with; imagine if you had ash, imperm, nibiru, belle, and ogre in your hand, but you could only use 2 handtraps per turn.
Crazy.
It’s not even clear whether the card is a hard once per turn.
“Start of DP, Purulia?”
“Ash?”
“Ok, chain Purulia?”
The end phase cap seems entirely because this card doesn't (seem to) include a once per turn for itself. Theoretically you could drop 3 of it at the start of the opponent's turn and draw 3 for every hand summon. Then you'll *likely* have to shuffle a few back
I'm pretty sure the "you can activate each multchummy effect once the turn you activate this cards effect" is an incredibly roundabout HOPT
There's literally a hard once per turn on it bro you're one of the smartest mbt fans
the condition seems to be more like a roundabout hard-twice-per-turn. the effect itself isn't hopt, but it gives you only 1 other multchummy card effect that turn, which includes other copies of itself
@@prodmoira No, there isn't. There are two current translations for the card:
"You can only activate the effects of other "Multchummy" monsters once the turn you activate this effect."
Which does not make Purulia itself HOPT, and
"During the turn you activate this card’s effect, you can only activate 1 “Multchummy” monster effect, not counting this card’s."
Which also does not make Purulia itself HOPT.
Learn to read.
@@_GLObot it's a hard once per turn sped boy learn the rules
My crackpot theory is that this card is the reason Konami is giving every new archetype a Poplar. Gotta get those "summon from hand" numbers up.
Also remember, if you wanna plus out the normal summon you have to shotgun this. In theory agaisnt decks that dont even rely on the NS could even deny you that draw
Even if you draw too many cards and trigger its end of turn effect, you still just get what's functionally a mulligan.
It's at random you don't get to pick
@@15bjackson16 edited and fixed, thx for mentioning
A mulligan and access to more hand traps on your first turn
A mulligan to a larger hand size, at that
6:56 You said that the wrong way.
If *( Your hand )* is BIGGER than
*( Sum of **_[Number of Cards Opponent Conrols]_** +6 )* you shuffle away until it’s equal.
If they have 6 cards they control, you can have 12 cards in hand without shuffling back, while if you have 13 cards in hand, you shuffle 1 random card from it back into the deck.
Immediately throwing this in Runic Stun with D.D. Dynamite and Exodia. Fuck it we ball.
Thanks to MBT, as of today, I'm gonna call it Maxx under the "C".
OCG showed a monster card that can search Maxx C in a recent spoiler as well. It can search an insect or tuner for discard.
Honestly, one of the most interesting thing about this card as a hand trap is its statline/typing. It could have some recursion with tearlaments, or salvage, and has a few ways to go straight to grave. If there's a consistent water strategy to loop this every turn, that could actually be pretty strong in the grind game
It requires you to control no cards so even if you loop it it doesn't really matter
@@namesarehard2998 Yeah, that's true. I still wonder if the statline will have interesting synergy
What I'm most curious about is the clause where you can only activate one other card of it's archetype per turn. It makes me think that other powerful handtraps like Ash and Nib will ne turned into adorable little squids and cut the number of times you can handtrap your opponent down to 2
Unless you just use the actual hand traps lol 😊
@@prodmoira I'm gonna put on the tin foil hat for a second
Konami banned Baronne, Savage Dragon, Linkuriboh and a bunch of relevant generic extra deck stuff while also boosting some potentially powerful archetypal stuff, there's not a completely unreasonable case that the goal will be to make generic cards like Ash and Nib just worse versions of these cute lil squids (or other monsters), or, in other terms, make the game reach a state where the archetypal power level is superceding the power you get playing pile decks (which pile decks are my idea of old school yugioh don't @ me)
Okay now that the tinfoil hat is off, give me back my Kitkallos please Konami
@@prodmoiraThe normal hand traps could get banned. If the OP has correctly guessed Konami's intentions, those bans may well be part of the plan
@delta3244 they won't do that though. They've been trying to lower the cards on the ban list for years. Why would they ban a bunch of fair cards just to implement worse versions that no one will play 😂
@@prodmoira Because people might play the worse versions if the good ones are banned. If Ash Blossom was banned, but this archetype had an exact clone plus the archetypal twice per turn, people would play this archetype's version.
My take on this card is that the downside is barely a downside at all. most decks are gonna be limited on what they can do by virtue of once per turn effects so having to shuffle what is essentially discard fodder at that point makes little difference.
also im pretty sure you explained it wrong at first, its if the number of cards in your hand is greater than the number on their field +6, not if the number of cards in your hand + the number of cards on their field is less than 6. that would just be stupid, you would never activate this card
7:00 No? It literally says cards on field + 6. Not exceeding the number 6. It only affects you if you're at say, 9 cards versus a 2 card endboard. That's obviously not most endboards so the restriction is mostly just there so that the number of draws does have a cap come your turn. The cap is pretty generous. A 6 card endboard (say 3 mons 3 backrow) gives you a max handsize of TWELVE.
He corrects himself later in the video.
@sallas09 No he doesn't. The next line he mentions having Flamberge, Formula, Savage, equip, Popular and field spell at 12 cards would make you shuffle. That's literally not true. 6 cards +6 is 12 max handsize.
@@meathir4921 8:28 "It's not hard to imagine the Snake-Eye board I just described linking everything into Apollousa at the very end so their opponent is all but guaranteed to hit the threshold. I just don't think that's really feasible. And that's for the second reason, which is: I don't think there is any card that can theoretically beat back a 7 card opener."
1 monster on board = user shuffles until they have 7 cards in hand. He gets it.
@sallas09 Fair enuff. He still seemed... pretty confused about it given he completely misrepresented it for over a minute.
@@meathir4921 In fairness, even with two or three reads the text is a little difficult to parse. In fact, the translators themselves say they're not entire clear on it since the effect is using language that the game hasn't seen before.
The first condition where you can only activate one card of the archetype per turn makes me believe they are going to make an archetype akin to the Ghost Sisters for each summoning location (Extra Deck, Main Deck and GY). I like how instead of errataing Maxx "C" they are just making it an archetype thay is way less powerful and situational.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "sum +6" would mean that if your opponent has 6 cards on the field at end phase, your hand would be allowed to safely hold 12 cards but 13 or more results in cards being sent back to deck
Correct
The kicker is that, in MD and OCG, this card will help you find Maxx C in hands you don't open it.
that's why they will ban maxx c
@@danielhertz1984 You see, I think that's putting too much hope onto Konami. We collectively assumed Telefon would get errated shortly after release to not allow it to summon itself. Nope.
@@danielhertz1984 they should start with banning the newer cards then because they're the reason maxx c even looks busted
@@cwovictor3281 telefon only got to be a problem when they added cannon soldier to the mix, but even when it was realesed the link pool was not enough with how fragile the setup was, konami only showed us that the game got to a point infinite material doesn't mean game like it was with Pre-errata Firewall
@@zytha2890 my man the game will never slow down again, it's not 2009 nor 2018, not even 3 maxx c in every deck could slow down the meta game, the only way to go is forward and make that going forward feeling nice, even if they banned half of the card pool (5000+) the game would still be the core mechanic
Master duel with 6 maxx "c": 💀💀💀
It’s an attempt to balance Maxx “C” so the OCG/Master Duel can ban C. Sorta the Fishborg Launcher to Maxx C’s Fishborg Blaster, as the easiest example off the top of my head.
Will it see play, probably, but at worst it spikes Crossout Designator in the TCG while we all worry our format gets to play the Maxx C Mini Game.
I think people aren't thinking about the fact that there is no downside to playing this card. This card is practically pot of greed+ or a turn skip for your opponent. Every deck at least is normal summoning right? So it's upstart at its worst that nets you a card that could be a handtrap.
the real downside is that it does nothing going first (which isn't the case for maxx c), which makes it hard to maindeck
With operative words like "from the hand" and "if you control no cards", it certainly won't have a lot of the lowest lows that C causes, but we'll have to wait and see if a C-level of draw is powerful enough on its own to remain one of the more controversial cards.
Hi old ygo player who just watches content nowadays and IVE BEEN READING THIS CARD AS THOUGH IT ONLY WORKS ON NORMAL SUMMONS I WAS SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHY PEOPLE CARED LMAO
Wtf is fiend link
Whether or not this card is good, I for one am not happy to see it. Completely ignoring the implications of it being a "new maxx c" the design philosophy of hand traps that have lingering effects is nothing short of terrible in my opinion.
Cards like droll, shifter, and now this do not promote skillful play, and unlike ash blossom which has counter play in the form of chain blocking/baiting, or targeted negation like veiler/imperm which can be dodged with a variety of effects, these cards have no such thing as counter play aside from just negating them. If it is in your opponents hand, they will use it the first possible moment they get because the effects linger for the rest of the turn. There's no sort of thought or decision making behind it, and that is what I hate about any handtraps that have lingering effects. I do not think this is a good or healthy design for any hand traps to have in this game and I thought Konami would be past this by now but much like printing FTKs, I guess I was wrong about how much they've learned.
Not only that, but the implication that you can only activate effects from that monster's archetype, it means we could have one for summons from grave, one from extra deck and one from deck, which if you ask me is great. Maxx "C" gets banned in Master Duel, and everyone gets sideboard options agaist the desired summoning spam mechanic.
It's good because now it's 6vs6 handtraps and it's counter, I hate it when my Maxx c get ashed turn 1 and I have to deal with baron etc on the field.
Now it's guaranteed draw in my turn even if my opponent ashed my Maxx c.
Yah boss the people who are talking about the shuffle back effect... are folks not understanding that you calculate the "+6" into the shuffle back. so they think that if you leave one monster on the board you have to shuffle until you have 1 card in hand. Because they're stupid and cant read.
MBT- a slight error in your video, 6:43 here the card says extra cards over n+6 is shuffled into deck at random, not discarded (n being the number of cards your opponent controls on the field)
Lol this thing kills normal summon decks more than special summon ones...
Do remember floo isn't the only deck relying on normal summon, although if you're a metasheep of course you won't remember
Am I going crazy? The way you described the last effect sounds wildly incorrect
The card reads "If the number of cards in your hand is more than the sum of cards op controls +6"
What you said is "if the sum of ops fields+your hand > 6" and that's just straight up not the same thing. Can you please explain how you're getting to where you're at?
The way I'm reading it just means your gains are always going to be limited by how much your op commits to a wide board, which makes complete and total sense.
Yeah… this card seems fine :)
(Me looking at the 4 raidraptor extenders in hand)
Im hoping they will ban maxx c and use this to appease the hyper casuals who's win con is Maxx C. Because this card is alot more fair
Why would you infer the "sum" that way? Why why why
I thought it also prevented other hand traps from being used, except imperm
Why are you talking about.. discarding.. The text clearly said shuffling back into the deck
they cant ban maxx c, my bug deck! its already bad rn yall cant kick it while its down. lol
I feel the last line to shuffle back is more there to prevent the "Deck out game" ppl sometimes play in Master Duel where instead of trying to win they go on a special summoning spree in hopes they can just end turn and win by deck out (it normally doesnt work and just wastes time)
The last line doesn't prevent that. The shuffle happens after all draws have already happened. If those draws deck a player, then that player loses before they would shuffle back. The minigame still exists.
If anything, what will prevent people from trying to play that game is the fact that this card only grants draws for summons from hand. First because that places them in a less desperate state than Maxx C would, and second because winning that minigame typically requires many summons from not-hand.
(edit - typo)
So basically this card indirectly makes the genex support garbage
One interesting thing I noticed about this card, the way it's translated: it technically doesn't have a once per turn clause. Its restriction clause allows you to activate this card's name exactly twice per turn. So if you open two copies, you can resolve this through Ash blossom. Also, you might be able to draw 2 cards per summon, though I'm less certain about that part.
This card has what every Handtrap should have printed on it: "If you control no monsters".
This fixes pretty much all issues people have with them and solves a lot of frustrating scenarios. a.e. the full board Maxx C drop
But it said 'no control card' so stun player don't have advantage, like maxx c.
I'm curious about the "you can only use 1 other multchummy monster effect this turn" part. It implies that either you can stack 2 which, if you didn't draw a handtraps with the effects, mean nothing or that it's gonna be part of an Archetype that, because you must have an empty board, has multiple handtraps or cards that special summon itself during the Oponents turn.
I look forward to people trying to run 6 max c effects main board.
I'm surprised you didn't discuss the clause that you can only activate 1 other multchummy effect that turn. I think it's pretty clear that this will not be the only multchummy card. It would logically make sense for there to be ones for summoning from grave, deck, ED, banished. That way they can replace maxx c by only letting you draw from 2 summon locations and making you commit more main or side deck space to counter things.
Its not coming to TCG. It will be only OCG exclusive.
If Maxx "C" is so good, then why is there no Maxx "C" 2- oh wait
I actually think that a Quick effect Upstart would see use, A quick effect pot of greed is just great, and anything more then 2 is backbreaking.
Also it's adorable as heck! 🥰
Finally, Vaylantz will be anti-meta
I think you read the second effect wrong 😅
They've gotta be trolling at this point 💀
It's good card that does something similar, definitely a good side deck card for specific matchups
At worst its an upstart, at best it get you 11 cards in hand.
I'm not sure I understand what he was getting at near the end there, why would your opponent intentionally force you to shuffle cards back into your deck? That just means you've gone so plus that it shouldn't matter how many cards you have to put back. Like, if your opponent gets you up to 11 cards intentionally and then ends on 1 monster, sure you have to shuffle back 4 cards, but you still went +2. If they just summoned 3 cards from their hand like normal, it would've been better for them, since you'd have less chances to draw handtraps.
He's saying what you're inferring, that intentionally trying to force the user to shuffle cards back is a losing gambit because they're already going to be up by so many cards anyway, even after the shuffle. As such, I don't think that's what that effect is for. I think the real purpose of that last effect is to make stacking the effect a riskier prospect. With current translations and how we seem to understand the card, you are only allowed to activate at most 2 Multchummy effects per turn, and this can include 2 copies of this card, or 1 Purulia and 1 of a future card of the same archetype. In the first case, that means 2 draws off of every summon from the hand, and that can put you at risk of shuffling back fast. For the second case, a lot of people are speculating that they may release future Multchummy cards that give you draws when your opponent summons from different locations. There might be one that's tied to the main deck, one for the graveyard, one from the Extra Deck, etc. And if you have two of these guys active at once and are drawing cards from two different sources, that will also bloat your hand quickly.
@@sallas09 He talked about it like it was a weakness of the card, but wasn't currently that big of a deal due to a lack of strong end board monsters. To me, it seems like that effect will never be relevant outside of the situation you've brought up, which is why I was confused
I think the end phase clause as translated at least is there mostly for when used in combination with other effects like this. Its not inconceivable they printed one that says special from extra deck and suddenly -1 +5 has shifted to -2 + 10.
Or in combination with itself, as it has no OPT (it has an archetypal twice per turn instead)
This will force everyone to play ash even harder than they already were.
MBT: "Murder your darlings."
Konami: "NOT IN MY HOUSE!"
but, does it matter to play Ash just for this? Maxx C is a different beast to handle and definitely requires Ash unless youre brave enough to challenge it, but this card is just a "bad cosplay" that happened to be good enough to look into Maxx C. i dont think it will matter enough to be running Ash all the time unless you summon from hand like 10 times in one turn
Sure, but NOT if they ban Maxx C. Which for the OCG is likely the goal. The TCG might see more ash but only in decks that need it to play at all.
8:15 * @Ignister players rubbing their Cyberse hands *
Wait, they stack, that's nuts!
The good thing about this is that getting a second copy during the first turn when you go second isn't exactly a dead draw since you can activate the second copy for extra draws against decks that don't summon that much or use it to ensure the effect goes through if they negate the first one. Also still have the option to use it when going second on your turn against decks that summon from the hand during the opponent's turn, just have to use it before you commit to the board. The card also technically have some use when going first against decks that could do "turn 0" plays if they summon from the hand a lot. Not sure if there's a meta deck now that does that, but it would be useful when there's one.
Also I find it nice that for maximum value you need to commit the card before your opponent start playing because even the single normal summon per turn on most decks is important, that way your opponents would get an idea of how much they should commit before making their plays. Or maybe you could hold it in hand against decks that commit into greedy lines early and fire it after they go for the greedy line instead of the safe line and can't back out anymore.
Im still playing this going first cause it can draw me more handtraps!
When are you playing it? At what time do you expect to control zero cards while your opponent is summoning from hand, when you go first, where you haven't already lost even with this card?
I like this card because it does not impact branded at all
If it lives exclusively in the side deck, then it'll just be like Maxx C early in its life.
Also funny enough, this is a Maxx C that works on Floo. So get fucked birds.
This is basically someone in Konami making this card saying if they don't unbanned maxx c in the TCG I'll make a new one
Its Konami OCG telling us they intentionally balance this game around Maxx C, and that we should stop bitching that the game is unbalanced with the card meant to do that banned.
@@mateusrp1994 maxx c doesn't balance shit lmao, all it does is create frustration and non-games.
@@mateusrp1994 that is so true when I played Master duel players did not hesitate to use ash blossom & joyous spring to stop maxx c. In other words it's completely Fair
@@SidemanSideways"Just draw the out 4head"
@@alexbrangan2885 that's right
This has been precisely my thoughts on Maxx Sea.
Strong? Yes
Included in every deck? Ya probably
Game breaking? Highly unlikely
Finally a way to get Maxx C banned in EVERY format? Cowabunga
It's mid and won't be played
@prodmoira you're opinions are mid do you know that?
@@مرتجىصفاءاحمد it's not an opinion it's a fact that no one will play it
@@prodmoira as I said you're opinions are MID
@@مرتجىصفاءاحمد they can be mid all you want it's still true
Was anyone else very bothered about how much he said “discard” instead of “shuffle into deck” when it came to the cost?
Yeah, kind of similar to when someone says "cost" to a downside of an effect.
@@Octavio92ify dog it was like 5am when I wrote that you’re lucky it was a somewhat coherent sentence. But yes I was referring to the drawback/downside. Regardless half the vid was discussing an occurrence that won’t happen.
If there's one thing i've learned about weaker versions of banned cards, it is a broken effect is still a broken effect. But we'll see.
I didn't realize until this video that the cards you shuffle back at EP are random; and that makes this card SO much worse. To the point where I don't even think it's good. Definitely a decent card, but the fact that you can't sculpt your hand to exactly counter your opponent's board and then combo off makes me feel like it's not worth all the restrictions, and therefore not worth playing. I'm most likely wrong, but I'm probably going to be a naysayer until I see this card in practice.
It’s insane and absolutely ban worthy. The amount of copium people are huffing saying it’s meta dependant is insane. Just about every deck on the planet normal summons. You shotgun it in draw/standby and you’re damn near guaranteed to at least trade 1 for 1. It’s like Phantazmay on steroids. That end of turn restriction also only looks at hand count, not number of cards drawn. So any more additional hand traps it draws you into helps retain as much hand advantage at the end of the turn. Plus shuffling back duplicate HOPTs or garnets isn’t even a downside. Drawing cards off your opponent playing the game just isn’t a balanced effect and ends up making these sorts of cards a Vanity’s Emptiness from hand. Like yeah you can go ahead and play into it, but I’m practically guaranteed to draw into side deck cards and starters and extenders to OTK on my turn so it’s not really a decision you can make. Absolutely god awful card design that functionally reads “play the game and lose, or pass and also lose.” A 1 for 1 at worst that’s potentially turn ending at best that draws you into additional hand traps and side deck cards is beyond busted. Arguably main deck worthy too because of how potentially strong it is. I’ll gladly take a +2 against SE Fire King, draw into more hand traps, and completely end their turn.
The closest thing to a Maxx C fix there is would be something that does burn damage. Not turn ending because you’re not doubling your opponent’s starting hand, you’re just massively reducing how hard it is to OTK. Gaining LP just isn’t an impactful deterrent and the whole time thing isn’t an issue because Spooky Dogwood already exists. Drawing cards is just too strong of a thing to let a hand trap do.
2 things.
1. Keep in mind this does absolutely nothing going first.
2. The cards you shuffle back are random, so you can't just choose to shuffle back garnets and duplicates.
@ leonjakobsen272 It’s impactful enough that potentially bricking on it going first is a worthwhile risk, sorta like Gamma.
The card shuffling effect will almost never come into effect. Even if you consolidate everything into a single card, your opponent still gets to keep up to 7 cards. This is doubly important because this card functions like Phantazmay in that its main benefit is drawing you into hand traps. Except unlike Phantazmay, it’s proactive and doesn’t kill any drawn copies of Imperm. Drawing 3 and pitching 2 hand traps so your hand is nothing but gas will keep you under the card limit. It’s not even a restriction. The only way it’d be passable is if it prevented you from activating other cards that turn, but you can still continue to throw out drawn hand traps so that restriction won’t ever come up.
@leonjakobsen272 if you shotgun it first turn you gan get draw from gamma/nibiru
I had the fortune to start with this card in my hand twice in a row (going second) using a 60 card deck and in both cases I had the misfortune that my opponents just special summoned from the graveyard and extra deck without even normal summoning🤣
why is that last line being treat as a downside? it's an upper limit on the upside, not a potential detriment to playing it. going out of your way to manipulate the number of summons compared to cards on field during end phase is not a strategy that will fuck with your opponent. it's just... damage control.
I've been calling it Over"C"s
I really hope they introduce an entire archetype of multchummy cards who gain advantage off of being shuffled into the deck in order to facilitate aqua combos.
Like imagine this being general aquactress support.
Wait until you realize you can only use the one effect
Did you say shuffle aqua monsters into the deck for advantage?
TIARAMENTS ARE BACK BABY
@@SuperSox97 Tear likes to be in the graveyard, though. But also yes, i like tear so much better than other omnipresent decks lmao.
It's also indirect icejade support let's goooo ^^
Pot of generosity will be viable?
Like the idea of a hard going-second handtrap, but my only real wish is that they positioned it like Droll in a way where you could trigger it after their first summon, regardless of whether it's a normal or special. This would give it a potential punish in Talents too, whereas right now shotgunning it in the draw phase feels a little too free to not do for the (almost) guaranteed Upstart, similar to Shifter.
Why is everyone using the Kirby theme song as a background music? There was another channel talking about this card and it had the same theme song 😂
People keep misunderstanding how many cards are shuffled back
It's yugioh. Two things no yugioh player can do are read and do math.
It's important to be aware that YGOorg isn't sure themselves, so we cannot rely on the wording of the translation until we see OCG rulings. The translator gave their best guess, which is that if opp controls 2, player shuffles from 9 to 7 in hand. It remains to be seen whether that is correct.