I feel that the honda e-clutch makes a bit more sense for motorcycles. You basically have a quickshifter with stop-and-go assist at low speeds. The gear is still selected by you and you control how you ride. I get why people would like this, but I don't think it's for me. But that is coming from someone who still doesn't enjoy automatics in cars.
On the other side Honda has DCT which (as told in the video) the automatic mode is the default one and it seems that there are little complaints about how it works in twisty roads (especially the latest one with all the sensors integrated in the bike). So it seems that Yamaha must refine some elements (the base and the equipment is already there). Honda more or less was already there (for many years they've developed and polished DCT) and it seems that either some AMTs are a little bit rushed and unpolished or just other producers don't like to ride competition's bikes, check how other systems works and how they can improve theirs new systems. In my family we've got Africa Twin with DCT (2020), NC750S with DCT (2016) and CB650R with e-clutch (2024). E-clutch in next version will probably only be better because the CB650R is such simple bike without throttle-by-wire which limits a little bit downshifts potential (no blipping, downshifts are realized by half-clutch disengagement) but still it is already smooth. Also low-speed speed scenario works really nice in e-clutch. It's a little bit downer that on EICMA Honda didn't show or announced E-clutch for other bikes. I guess in next year we'll get next gen E-clutch which gets along with TBW and other sensors to get even faster and smoother system. As for DCT, the DCT works brilliantly (especially on the Africa) and there are really rare occasions where I'd like to change gear to suit my riding. Most of the time the automatic mode doesn't works against the rider. But maybe I'm doing something more predictable and systems just "knows" what to do :D
If only the manufacturers would co-operate. A Honda è-clutch on something similar to the y-amt, keeping the clutch, foot shifter and finger paddles would make everyone happy, but the been counters always have to get their way and save a couple of bucks by leaving a bit off.
I had an accident with my left arm which affected my left hand now I can only use about 30% of 3 fingers.. I also have of metal plate with 10 screws holding my ankle to my leg I can't use my foot very well to shift. This is the perfect solution for that problem I have... I just wish more companies like Indian or Harley-Davidson would do this technology cuz I prefer those types of bikes...
Because you would interfere with the actuators that control both the gears and the clutch. However, you can flick the triggers to override the auto system at any time or have it in manual mode and just change gears as and when you want with a quick flick.
As said fantastic idea. Both manual and automatic are wonderful. So it depends on the owners preference.. Commuting filtering etc.. Auto all the way... Lucky for me my wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT, and have the best of both worlds..
I think for this kind of technology, Yamaha should specified this feature for Scooter like XADV 750, new type of product with either MT07 or higher performance MT09 engine. XADV had no competitor for years and it's a very nice motorcycle.
I agree with many of the points here and I don't think it;s for me but the one thing I disagree on is the comment around 10 mins in saying that changing gear with your foot is just one less thing your hand has to do. Unless you have a quickshifter, at any point you change gear (the only time you would use your foot) your hand would be pulling the clutch in which means that if you wanted to use any of the other controls at that time, your hand motion and reach is massively restricted. Wit the AMT you can far more easily flick up or down gears with your index finger while still having your thumb free to use any of the other switchgear controls. Those saying that you need a manual clutch for this kind of bike to feel engaged, simply aren't considering a quickshifter that is common on an MT09.
I haven't tested Y-AMT yet, but I did have Honda's e-clutch. It's so smooth at lower speed, it reduces on-off to zero. I'm quite surprised to hear Y-AMT has on-off.
This is going to be perfect for the Tracers, but I don’t believe the MT09 is the right bike for it. I have a fourth-generation MT09 and love the manual shifting gears. The quick shifter works almost the same; you just operate it with your foot and use the clutch for slow speeds. For me, the biggest downside of this system is that you cannot pull the clutch and rev the engine in case you encounter an unexpected situation on the road and want to be heard or want to be cool when pulling up to weekend meet-ups.
@@msd85TvT just switch to manual mode. It's amazing. Not sure if you have the foot shifter option. But i have It on my Africa Twin and it feels just like manual
I drive an automatic car but I wouldn’t consider an “automatic” on a motorcycle unless I have a physical impairment. It will be interesting to find out how many bikes like this the different manufacturers will be able to sell 🇬🇧
I thought the same until I tried the Honda DCT. I still feel one with it in manual mode and foot shifter but no more clutch engagement. It feels just like a manual but no more hand spasms in traffic. You must try it
@PokerMuppet So,here is the explanation, and it could just be subjective. You can use the quick shifter, up and down, from first to sixth gear, but it is not ideal for that. It is much more ideal when you are accelerating fast going through, mostly, higher gears, 3rd through sixth. And even down shifting, engine breaking, 6th down to third. At least for me, I prefer to use the lower gears with the clutch. Also, I like to have fast control of the clutch to cut power from the wheels, immediately, and totally. In first gear, especially for dual sports bikes, off road, I like the fact that I can feather, and slip the clutch. It gives me more control and confidence off road. This is my experience, and I could be wrong. What is your explanation?
Blame europe not manufacturers, companies trying so hard to meet the strict regulations and thats how they solve it while making it still not too overpriced.
@@allnighteristgo get your facts straight, bike has the same exhaust is EU, USA, Asia, Brazil, Russia and elsewhere even though regulations are not the same at all. It's called a cartel agreement bro
@omaewanani3887 of course it has the same exhaust its the stock exhaust why would they change it for other countries? It was design to comply with euro5+ and noise regulations, USA have more restrictions than the other countries hence they have lower powered bikes controlled by the ECU. What are you yapping about cartel agreement? that would be against code of ethics of the company and it could get them in serious trouble, yall just crying for the looks exhaust when youre not even gonna buy the bike lmao. Get outta here and i aint your bro lol.
Emission regulations are a big reason for manufacturers to develop auto transmissions. Its amazing that auto performance exceeds manual performance in nearly every department: we are not being asked to compromise. The latest integrations with the bike 6-axis Inertial Measurement Unit irons out the cornering issues, and software tweaks will resolve the slow speed on/off smoothness. The simplification of the controls is a challenge with all the tech on board, but losing the clutch and gear lever has some advantages. Ever been annoyed by the pegs not being in the right position? Riding modes can accurately embody your preferred riding style and respond to road conditions. I'm a fan.
"Better" is a completely subjective term. Honestly, I would just buy a Honda Civic rather than a bike with AMT or Honda's DCT. I am fine with quick shifters and the Honda e-clutch as you have the choice between clutchless shifts or traditional shifting with the clutch. Shifting is a huge part of what makes me feel connected to the bike.
I'm old and grumpy and don't even like quick shifters. Maybe if you do track days but I ride on the road and love the immersive experience of using 2 feet and 2 hands to ride a machine.....
I’ve tested it and my identification with the device action was immediate. It is a wonderful tech add by Yamaha! All the cons together don’t overcome the less important pros of it. For me would be this Y-AMT all the way and I wouldn’t look back! Currently I ride a BMW R Nine T Scrambler which is as you know very tradicional on this aspect and it works very well but sometimes I would like to do things in a more quick way and there is a strong limited disadvantage, the false neutrals or shifting up a gear that’s wasn’t intended . It happens quite often on my bike when I ride it in town or on the bends in a more spirited way. And it’s not pleasant when happens. These clutch less technology is very welcome. It turns the ride a lot better on the majority of the occasions. But don’t get me wrong, I still like a lot to shift the gears manually!👌🏻that’s a very good reason for having a second bike!!🤩
As someone starting off my motorcycle journey off a 125cc fully automatic scooter motorcycle and loving it, I actually am more inclined to upgrade to this bike than any other motorcycle out there that is still running on manual transmission. I personally don’t have the time or patience to learn manual transmission, and on busy urban roads where I live where traffic is quite congested, this is more convenient and fun to drive than a manual motorcycle where I always have to shift gears coz of the stop and go traffic. I hope they improve the tech more and retrofit it on more Yamaha motorcycle models!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
For me, Honda's E-Clutch is the ideal solution. I don't need a full automatic, getting rid of the need to use the clutch sometimes is nice. And this in combination with the fact that there remains the possibility of full control over the clutch. Ideal. When Honda improves the E-Clutch visually (the current design is really not pretty) and combines it with electronic throttle for even smoother downshifting, it will be perfect.
Very well observed and described - I have a DCT Goldwing which I have an a few occasions ridden 'progressively' the most annoying thing is it changing up in corners . I tried it in manual but the change is somehow just not as connected as using foot . A quick shifter does the same thing. DCT is great in town or pottering around and I have sorted the low speed thing with practice but when pushing on a quick shifter is the best thing to have - this seems odd addition to a sporty bike like MT09 🤷
Rode one of these a couple of weeks ago as our local Yamaha dealer had one available for demo. Found 1-3 gears quite clunky/aggressive on the upshifts, and downshifts would jolt you forward a bit. Engine braking is also quite harsh when you roll off the throttle. Still an MT09 though, fun bike to ride when you get used to the auto gearbox stuff
In the discourse surrounding AMT, it is often overlooked that when downshifting to slow down the motorcycle, an unintended consequence is encountering a slippery surface. As the engine decelerates the motorcycle, the rear wheel may become loose beneath the rider. In such instances, the absence of a clutch lever to disengage the engine’s connection to the rear wheel could potentially prevent a crash.
It’s a no from me, a good quick shifter is the best option hands down. If you can’t ride a manual bike, learn, it will only make you a better rider. Clutch control and dragging the rear brake amongst other things will make you enjoy riding more.
Excelente video prueba. Enhorabuena. Yo compraría la versión automática. Estoy muy cansado del embrague y del cambio de marchas. Pero compraría la Tracer automática, que es más cómoda. Muchas gracias por los subtitulos en español. Un saludo enorme desde Zaragoza, España ✌🏻🙋🏻
I wish they left the clutch lever in so it was electronically linked to the clutch actuator. It would be super effortless and resolve my tendonitis / carpal tunnel complaints on my clutch hand for spirited riding, while the added feature of being able to switch to lazy mode where I don't touch the clutch would be nice too.
You mentioned the Honda e-clutch and how it's not as clean as the Yamaha. I agree. I am baffled that Honda thought it was OK to ship a product that looks as unfinished as that. I don't care how well it works, I won't have something that ugly on the side of my brand-new motorcycle.
My only concern would be reliability. Its basically a manual with an actuator setup. Had a Corsa back in the day with gearbox like that and when it went wrong you were stranded and cost ££ to fix. Time will tell I guess. Nice concept and seems to work well. as other have said maybe the wrong bike for it? But if the plan is to offer it on all their models in the future I can see it being widely used.
The E-Clutch gives you both options. Who doesn't want more? With 55 years of riding, using a clutch is like brushing my teeth. Its requires very little thought. But for some people who are afraid of a motorcycle because they have never "shifted gears" on anything then these auto's should attract new riders. For us with a long history of riding, then its manual or both. In my opinion.
Just as it is with cars bikes will also shift to fully automatic. I havent tested Y-AMT nor Hondas E-clutch. But the e-clutch would be my go to thats just a better quickshifter which you can use to shift with clutchlever if needed and shift by foot. Shifting automaticly w/o clutchlever and pedal is just too much scooter if you ask me.
I wish they did something like the BMW shift assist or Honda e-clutch where there is still a clutch lever and a foot shifter but you don't have to use it.
These options are great for people who have issues with their left and, or left foot. I apreciate it for what it is. But for someone who is fully capable, getting into motorcycling, it would be a mistake to not learn how to use a clutch and shift gears.
Okay people, here's what he does not know. In automatic mode, YOU CAN STILL SHIFT UP AND DOWN AT WILL. It's the perfect system. Especially in traffic. I have 2 DCT bikes. They are perfect. I also have 2 manual bikes. They are my country twisty hooligan bikes. However, I can and do get quite hooligan on my DCT bikes as well. I ride in total about 40,000 miles a year. Combined on all bikes.
have a 2019 tracer 900 gt. as you said in the video, this would really be good as a secondary to use from time to time. but never know.. next years version could see that.
Great delivery of the information, really like the completeness of the video with B roll and the Whiteboard element. definitely taking things to the next level 👏
I think its good to have automatic people with disability after crash can easily experience riding again and people gonna hate or make fun of it but its a good tech i did want to own one
Any else think that ‘deleting’ the clutch lever would be a good opportunity for manufacturers to provide an option to move the rear brake up to the left hand?
I’ve always been puzzled by how far behind motorcycle technology is compared to cars, they’ve had automatic transmissions, ABS, fuel injection etc for multiple decades before showing on a motorcycle.
Bob your a brilliant presenter, I was concerned in what you said about manoeuvring the bike at slow speed in a car park situation in automatic mode , as the bike is quite heavy weight as it is 900cc with the seat comparatively high for most average riders you could end up dropping the machine costing a fair bit of money and damaging your confidence in the future
Great video mate, i would be interested in your point of view when you will test the big Tracer with y-amt as that is more touring oriented but still sporty at the same time, so i'm hoping this y-amt to suit better the Tracer than the mt-09. Currently own the 2022 Tracer 9gt and was thinking next year to go full on for the big Tracer 9gt plus but i'm a bit worried that the y-amt might not be as good at is sounds, or maybe it is ?
@@Gracinda80 I do ride a bike, just trying to show some sort of similarities to how progress was for trucks and that it is the same with bikes. I have a Honda with a DCT and really enjoy it. Some guys can't handle it, I get it, so there are plenty of manual options out there for now. cheers
@@Gracinda80 Probably not in your country but in the US it is similar. It's just progression of the product. Don't worry, you will always have a fine selection of bikes with a clutch so you can feel masculine. I recall Honda being first to have automatic, people said it will never catch on. So Yamaha and BMW should take your gut instinct and save their money and stop production. cheers
Since Yamaha are still offering the tradition clutched bike, alongside the Y-AMT version, will be interesting to see which sells better in the long run. Honda seem to sell more of the DCT versions when both are offered, time will tell.
Not sure if it's your new DJI cams or TH-cam really trying to sell their premium, but the bitrate compression artifacts on regular 1080 is noticeably worse on this video.
Hard pass for me… I test rode a 2024 a few weeks ago. It was like riding a video game. Almost void of character, way too vanilla for me. This would just move it another notch in the wrong direction for my personal tastes.
Probably good on cruisers etc Detracts from engagment for more performance oriented riding. An auto gearbox is never going to be as good at predicting the best time to change up or down. UP/DOWN button shift... maybe. If they start using it in MotoGP I may reconsider. ;-)
Really curious if there has been any development from Yamaha in regards taking input from an inertia unit so it does not change mid-corner. First reviews indicated, and was confirmed in those reviews, that it did not. Hopefully with the Tracer now also offering the AMT and being a more technologically bike, this will be included.
What will we do, if the bike is parked and turned off, how are we gonna move the bike without turning the ignition on...if there was a clutch we can pull the clutch and move the bike without turning the ignition..when at home, while washing the bike...we cannot move the bike without turning it on, right??
I go between auto and tipttonic in my cars all the time. Using manual when cornering and roundabouts etc but longer smoother stuff, I’ll leave it in auto. This seems no different at all.
It's all great tech and all, but i will avoid it at all cost. I want to ride with a clutch and shifter. Bummer, I will have to find another model or brand. I can see it being useful for some people with disabilities, but does not fit the hooligan style riding.
I think the same way . This isn’t a commuter. The quickshifter is good enough. This new technology must evolve. The exhaust system looks awful. I really hate that view and the color of the exhaust too
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I can see the validity of this technology, but I’d rather have the clutch and foot shift.
Yep specially with the new shifter
I'd have honda e-clutch. I think it's best off both worlds.
100%
They didn’t have to delete the clutch and foot shift, it just make your left leg feel boring
@@amaldev4150does it go back to Neutral if you suddenly stop from higher hear? Thanks for your reply in advance.
I feel that the honda e-clutch makes a bit more sense for motorcycles. You basically have a quickshifter with stop-and-go assist at low speeds. The gear is still selected by you and you control how you ride. I get why people would like this, but I don't think it's for me. But that is coming from someone who still doesn't enjoy automatics in cars.
On the other side Honda has DCT which (as told in the video) the automatic mode is the default one and it seems that there are little complaints about how it works in twisty roads (especially the latest one with all the sensors integrated in the bike). So it seems that Yamaha must refine some elements (the base and the equipment is already there).
Honda more or less was already there (for many years they've developed and polished DCT) and it seems that either some AMTs are a little bit rushed and unpolished or just other producers don't like to ride competition's bikes, check how other systems works and how they can improve theirs new systems.
In my family we've got Africa Twin with DCT (2020), NC750S with DCT (2016) and CB650R with e-clutch (2024). E-clutch in next version will probably only be better because the CB650R is such simple bike without throttle-by-wire which limits a little bit downshifts potential (no blipping, downshifts are realized by half-clutch disengagement) but still it is already smooth. Also low-speed speed scenario works really nice in e-clutch. It's a little bit downer that on EICMA Honda didn't show or announced E-clutch for other bikes. I guess in next year we'll get next gen E-clutch which gets along with TBW and other sensors to get even faster and smoother system.
As for DCT, the DCT works brilliantly (especially on the Africa) and there are really rare occasions where I'd like to change gear to suit my riding. Most of the time the automatic mode doesn't works against the rider. But maybe I'm doing something more predictable and systems just "knows" what to do :D
I agree, I’m actually going to check out a CB650 this week.
With Yamaha it's the same, you can go manual as default and switch to automatic only when you want to. Honda has no automatic option.
If only the manufacturers would co-operate. A Honda è-clutch on something similar to the y-amt, keeping the clutch, foot shifter and finger paddles would make everyone happy, but the been counters always have to get their way and save a couple of bucks by leaving a bit off.
Agreed by the end of next year I am buying the cb650r for that reason.
I had an accident with my left arm which affected my left hand now I can only use about 30% of 3 fingers.. I also have of metal plate with 10 screws holding my ankle to my leg I can't use my foot very well to shift. This is the perfect solution for that problem I have... I just wish more companies like Indian or Harley-Davidson would do this technology cuz I prefer those types of bikes...
And some people are crippled from the neck down. Wonder why they don't make motorcycles controlled entirely by your eyes.
@@logangodofcandy what
not exactly a Harley, but you might want to check out the Honda Rebel 1100 DCT. 🙌
@@logangodofcandy your brain with zero nuance
@@logangodofcandy Impolite and unnecessary comentary... What a shame !
I tried the Y-AMT and it works great. Love it and MT-09 Y-AMT is on top of my list.
Why not leave the clutch and gear levers as an option, so that you can still override the behavior of AMT
Because you would interfere with the actuators that control both the gears and the clutch. However, you can flick the triggers to override the auto system at any time or have it in manual mode and just change gears as and when you want with a quick flick.
You can still buy the manual bike. There is a manual mode with switches on the grip also.
The problem is that if automatics gets 2/3 of the sales, they won't make the manual anymore
Because the bean counters want to save a quid.
But that is how Honda è-clutch works. The clutch turns the same axle as the actuators so either can be used to control the clutch.
As said fantastic idea. Both manual and automatic are wonderful. So it depends on the owners preference.. Commuting filtering etc.. Auto all the way...
Lucky for me my wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT, and have the best of both worlds..
Very well thought out video of the pros and cons MOTOBOB. I'll be sticking with manual as the connection to the bike is why i ride 🎉
I think for this kind of technology, Yamaha should specified this feature for Scooter like XADV 750, new type of product with either MT07 or higher performance MT09 engine. XADV had no competitor for years and it's a very nice motorcycle.
I agree with many of the points here and I don't think it;s for me but the one thing I disagree on is the comment around 10 mins in saying that changing gear with your foot is just one less thing your hand has to do. Unless you have a quickshifter, at any point you change gear (the only time you would use your foot) your hand would be pulling the clutch in which means that if you wanted to use any of the other controls at that time, your hand motion and reach is massively restricted. Wit the AMT you can far more easily flick up or down gears with your index finger while still having your thumb free to use any of the other switchgear controls.
Those saying that you need a manual clutch for this kind of bike to feel engaged, simply aren't considering a quickshifter that is common on an MT09.
I haven't tested Y-AMT yet, but I did have Honda's e-clutch. It's so smooth at lower speed, it reduces on-off to zero. I'm quite surprised to hear Y-AMT has on-off.
This is going to be perfect for the Tracers, but I don’t believe the MT09 is the right bike for it. I have a fourth-generation MT09 and love the manual shifting gears. The quick shifter works almost the same; you just operate it with your foot and use the clutch for slow speeds. For me, the biggest downside of this system is that you cannot pull the clutch and rev the engine in case you encounter an unexpected situation on the road and want to be heard or want to be cool when pulling up to weekend meet-ups.
Rebel dct owner here. As much as I love my bike, I would like the manual if it was available. I like to be more engaged with the bike.
@@msd85TvT just switch to manual mode. It's amazing. Not sure if you have the foot shifter option. But i have It on my Africa Twin and it feels just like manual
It’s not that deep.
I drive an automatic car but I wouldn’t consider an “automatic” on a motorcycle unless I have a physical impairment. It will be interesting to find out how many bikes like this the different manufacturers will be able to sell 🇬🇧
Manual clutch lever, and gear shifter for this type of bike is a must. You just simply feel one with the bike.
I thought the same until I tried the Honda DCT. I still feel one with it in manual mode and foot shifter but no more clutch engagement. It feels just like a manual but no more hand spasms in traffic. You must try it
Really? Explain why so many prefer a quickshifter then...
@@PokerMuppet Quickshifter is not automatic solution! You can do the same without it, it's only a convenient solution.
@PokerMuppet So,here is the explanation, and it could just be subjective. You can use the quick shifter, up and down, from first to sixth gear, but it is not ideal for that. It is much more ideal when you are accelerating fast going through, mostly, higher gears, 3rd through sixth. And even down shifting, engine breaking, 6th down to third. At least for me, I prefer to use the lower gears with the clutch. Also, I like to have fast control of the clutch to cut power from the wheels, immediately, and totally. In first gear, especially for dual sports bikes, off road, I like the fact that I can feather, and slip the clutch. It gives me more control and confidence off road. This is my experience, and I could be wrong. What is your explanation?
Nah, not really.
Man this stock exhaust looks so off. We turned wrong direction at the point where buying new bike we should pay two times for exhaust.
Blame europe not manufacturers, companies trying so hard to meet the strict regulations and thats how they solve it while making it still not too overpriced.
Totally agree. It looks horrible, like a rusty old tin bath slung underneath a nice bike. Puts me off so many modern bikes!
@@allnighteristgo get your facts straight, bike has the same exhaust is EU, USA, Asia, Brazil, Russia and elsewhere even though regulations are not the same at all. It's called a cartel agreement bro
@omaewanani3887 of course it has the same exhaust its the stock exhaust why would they change it for other countries? It was design to comply with euro5+ and noise regulations, USA have more restrictions than the other countries hence they have lower powered bikes controlled by the ECU. What are you yapping about cartel agreement? that would be against code of ethics of the company and it could get them in serious trouble, yall just crying for the looks exhaust when youre not even gonna buy the bike lmao. Get outta here and i aint your bro lol.
Emission regulations are a big reason for manufacturers to develop auto transmissions. Its amazing that auto performance exceeds manual performance in nearly every department: we are not being asked to compromise. The latest integrations with the bike 6-axis Inertial Measurement Unit irons out the cornering issues, and software tweaks will resolve the slow speed on/off smoothness. The simplification of the controls is a challenge with all the tech on board, but losing the clutch and gear lever has some advantages. Ever been annoyed by the pegs not being in the right position? Riding modes can accurately embody your preferred riding style and respond to road conditions. I'm a fan.
I have a 2024 MT-09 SP and love the quickshifter. Automatic is cool technology, but I'll keep the manual version😊
"Better" is a completely subjective term. Honestly, I would just buy a Honda Civic rather than a bike with AMT or Honda's DCT. I am fine with quick shifters and the Honda e-clutch as you have the choice between clutchless shifts or traditional shifting with the clutch. Shifting is a huge part of what makes me feel connected to the bike.
Need to see people try some slow speed wheelies and power wheelies - if it's possible with this system
I'm old and grumpy and don't even like quick shifters. Maybe if you do track days but I ride on the road and love the immersive experience of using 2 feet and 2 hands to ride a machine.....
I’ve tested it and my identification with the device action was immediate. It is a wonderful tech add by Yamaha!
All the cons together don’t overcome the less important pros of it. For me would be this Y-AMT all the way and I wouldn’t look back!
Currently I ride a BMW R Nine T Scrambler which is as you know very tradicional on this aspect and it works very well but sometimes I would like to do things in a more quick way and there is a strong limited disadvantage, the false neutrals or shifting up a gear that’s wasn’t intended . It happens quite often on my bike when I ride it in town or on the bends in a more spirited way. And it’s not pleasant when happens. These clutch less technology is very welcome. It turns the ride a lot better on the majority of the occasions. But don’t get me wrong, I still like a lot to shift the gears manually!👌🏻that’s a very good reason for having a second bike!!🤩
If my bike - BMW RNineT scrambler - was offered with that clutch system I would definitely buy it. This is the future
As someone starting off my motorcycle journey off a 125cc fully automatic scooter motorcycle and loving it, I actually am more inclined to upgrade to this bike than any other motorcycle out there that is still running on manual transmission.
I personally don’t have the time or patience to learn manual transmission, and on busy urban roads where I live where traffic is quite congested, this is more convenient and fun to drive than a manual motorcycle where I always have to shift gears coz of the stop and go traffic.
I hope they improve the tech more and retrofit it on more Yamaha motorcycle models!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
It seems to be working alright, but I'm not giving up the clutch... not ready for that, at least not yet.
I'm pleased it exists and will try it but can't see me preferring it over a manual foot lever.
This! Foot lever is important!
For me, Honda's E-Clutch is the ideal solution. I don't need a full automatic, getting rid of the need to use the clutch sometimes is nice. And this in combination with the fact that there remains the possibility of full control over the clutch. Ideal. When Honda improves the E-Clutch visually (the current design is really not pretty) and combines it with electronic throttle for even smoother downshifting, it will be perfect.
Great review. I just bought one. Hurt my back recently and have problems using my left foot....so this couldn't have come at a better time 😁
Very well observed and described - I have a DCT Goldwing which I have an a few occasions ridden 'progressively' the most annoying thing is it changing up in corners . I tried it in manual but the change is somehow just not as connected as using foot . A quick shifter does the same thing. DCT is great in town or pottering around and I have sorted the low speed thing with practice but when pushing on a quick shifter is the best thing to have - this seems odd addition to a sporty bike like MT09 🤷
Rode one of these a couple of weeks ago as our local Yamaha dealer had one available for demo. Found 1-3 gears quite clunky/aggressive on the upshifts, and downshifts would jolt you forward a bit. Engine braking is also quite harsh when you roll off the throttle. Still an MT09 though, fun bike to ride when you get used to the auto gearbox stuff
Had a NC750X DCT, great bike, but needed more power, this is the answer, willbe checking this out once I can get a test ride
Amazing innovation & application of technology. Kudos to Yamaha.
But you will never see it in my shed...
Honestly, I’m surprised this is getting so much positive feedback and reviews. Go Yamaha!
As long as it is guaranteed not to stall, using the rear brake for low speed maneuvers is no problem.
In the discourse surrounding AMT, it is often overlooked that when downshifting to slow down the motorcycle, an unintended consequence is encountering a slippery surface. As the engine decelerates the motorcycle, the rear wheel may become loose beneath the rider. In such instances, the absence of a clutch lever to disengage the engine’s connection to the rear wheel could potentially prevent a crash.
Auto / manual shifting option installed on the bike so you can choose, just like my RS4, using the quickshifter instead of paddles.
Love the CP3 - would love to drive it with the YAMT!
It’s a no from me, a good quick shifter is the best option hands down.
If you can’t ride a manual bike, learn, it will only make you a better rider.
Clutch control and dragging the rear brake amongst other things will make you enjoy riding more.
Excelente video prueba. Enhorabuena.
Yo compraría la versión automática. Estoy muy cansado del embrague y del cambio de marchas.
Pero compraría la Tracer automática, que es más cómoda.
Muchas gracias por los subtitulos en español.
Un saludo enorme desde Zaragoza, España ✌🏻🙋🏻
Have given up DCT after many years, just missed the total control manual gives you - cannot knock it though!
I wish they left the clutch lever in so it was electronically linked to the clutch actuator. It would be super effortless and resolve my tendonitis / carpal tunnel complaints on my clutch hand for spirited riding, while the added feature of being able to switch to lazy mode where I don't touch the clutch would be nice too.
You mentioned the Honda e-clutch and how it's not as clean as the Yamaha. I agree. I am baffled that Honda thought it was OK to ship a product that looks as unfinished as that. I don't care how well it works, I won't have something that ugly on the side of my brand-new motorcycle.
I see the appeal & benefits etc but absolutely not for me, yet.
My only concern would be reliability. Its basically a manual with an actuator setup. Had a Corsa back in the day with gearbox like that and when it went wrong you were stranded and cost ££ to fix. Time will tell I guess.
Nice concept and seems to work well. as other have said maybe the wrong bike for it? But if the plan is to offer it on all their models in the future I can see it being widely used.
As a guy who CANNOT shift gears…this is wonderful 🎉
The E-Clutch gives you both options. Who doesn't want more? With 55 years of riding, using a clutch is like brushing my teeth. Its requires very little thought. But for some people who are afraid of a motorcycle because they have never "shifted gears" on anything then these auto's should attract new riders. For us with a long history of riding, then its manual or both. In my opinion.
Just as it is with cars bikes will also shift to fully automatic. I havent tested Y-AMT nor Hondas E-clutch. But the e-clutch would be my go to thats just a better quickshifter which you can use to shift with clutchlever if needed and shift by foot. Shifting automaticly w/o clutchlever and pedal is just too much scooter if you ask me.
I need the clutch to aid in throttle control. The AMT is a good feature but bring back the clutch as a manual override.
Can’t wait to hear your opinion of the BMW R1300 GSA ASA.
I wish they did something like the BMW shift assist or Honda e-clutch where there is still a clutch lever and a foot shifter but you don't have to use it.
These options are great for people who have issues with their left and, or left foot. I apreciate it for what it is. But for someone who is fully capable, getting into motorcycling, it would be a mistake to not learn how to use a clutch and shift gears.
Okay people, here's what he does not know. In automatic mode, YOU CAN STILL SHIFT UP AND DOWN AT WILL. It's the perfect system. Especially in traffic. I have 2 DCT bikes. They are perfect. I also have 2 manual bikes. They are my country twisty hooligan bikes. However, I can and do get quite hooligan on my DCT bikes as well. I ride in total about 40,000 miles a year. Combined on all bikes.
Over 70% of Honda Goldwings are DCT transmission. Honda was hoping for 30%. So bike manufacturers will create what the client wants.
have a 2019 tracer 900 gt. as you said in the video, this would really be good as a secondary to use from time to time. but never know.. next years version could see that.
Great delivery of the information, really like the completeness of the video with B roll and the Whiteboard element. definitely taking things to the next level 👏
I could consider AMT if the shifter was on the foot , more intuitive for sure.
I think its good to have automatic people with disability after crash can easily experience riding again and people gonna hate or make fun of it but its a good tech i did want to own one
Any else think that ‘deleting’ the clutch lever would be a good opportunity for manufacturers to provide an option to move the rear brake up to the left hand?
I’ve always been puzzled by how far behind motorcycle technology is compared to cars, they’ve had automatic transmissions, ABS, fuel injection etc for multiple decades before showing on a motorcycle.
Bob your a brilliant presenter, I was concerned in what you said about manoeuvring the bike at slow speed in a car park situation in automatic mode , as the bike is quite heavy weight as it is 900cc with the seat comparatively high for most average riders you could end up dropping the machine costing a fair bit of money and damaging your confidence in the future
Great video mate, i would be interested in your point of view when you will test the big Tracer with y-amt as that is more touring oriented but still sporty at the same time, so i'm hoping this y-amt to suit better the Tracer than the mt-09.
Currently own the 2022 Tracer 9gt and was thinking next year to go full on for the big Tracer 9gt plus but i'm a bit worried that the y-amt might not be as good at is sounds, or maybe it is ?
Interesting prospect - munged my left leg and still ride a manual but there's a few too too many mis-shifts now.
Another amazing and objective review from Motobob. Lays out pros and cons clearly. Not everyone in motorbike press mentions those cons.
I will have the quick shifter & auto blipper combo any day over this.
Manuel on this bike for sure!
I enjoy bangin’ gears ⚙️!
Hondas e-clutch seems to be the best option for people that want assisted manuals. This is full auto
Brilliant review. Clarifies why these automatic systems will not stick for long.
Yeah, that's what my grandfather said years ago about a manual truck vs an automatic. lol Technology is the future, adapt or get left behind.
@georgehouston6327 this is about bikes, not trucks. You clearly don't ride bikes.
@@Gracinda80 I do ride a bike, just trying to show some sort of similarities to how progress was for trucks and that it is the same with bikes. I have a Honda with a DCT and really enjoy it. Some guys can't handle it, I get it, so there are plenty of manual options out there for now. cheers
@@georgehouston6327 no similarities whatsoever between trucks and bikes.
@@Gracinda80 Probably not in your country but in the US it is similar. It's just progression of the product. Don't worry, you will always have a fine selection of bikes with a clutch so you can feel masculine.
I recall Honda being first to have automatic, people said it will never catch on. So Yamaha and BMW should take your gut instinct and save their money and stop production. cheers
If just it was connected to the IMU so it doesn't shift while the bike is leaned into corners it would have been really nice
would still pick Honda solution over this just because they did not get rid off the clutch and they give me a choice!
Shifting is cool and can be fun but there is a trend in performance cars not selling manual trans
"shifting is cool" lmao That's a keeper of a comment friend.
Would be cool to have that stations clutch lock in a manual bike for security
I think Honda did it right with the e-clutch. I bet by next year's model Yamaha will catch up
Since Yamaha are still offering the tradition clutched bike, alongside the Y-AMT version, will be interesting to see which sells better in the long run. Honda seem to sell more of the DCT versions when both are offered, time will tell.
Over 70% of Honda Gold Wings sold since 2018 are DCT trans.
They need to have a clutch to pull power for tight u-turns, emergency scenarios, etc… at least as an option.
I can do tight turns on my DCT by using the rear brake, it's not all that hard to get used to.
Not sure if it's your new DJI cams or TH-cam really trying to sell their premium, but the bitrate compression artifacts on regular 1080 is noticeably worse on this video.
As someone who still can't get over three pedals on a car, this is ez skip 4 me
Hard pass for me… I test rode a 2024 a few weeks ago. It was like riding a video game. Almost void of character, way too vanilla for me. This would just move it another notch in the wrong direction for my personal tastes.
It would be better suited to the tracers as they are touring bikes
Probably good on cruisers etc Detracts from engagment for more performance oriented riding. An auto gearbox is never going to be as good at predicting the best time to change up or down. UP/DOWN button shift... maybe. If they start using it in MotoGP I may reconsider. ;-)
very valid points, ty
Really curious if there has been any development from Yamaha in regards taking input from an inertia unit so it does not change mid-corner. First reviews indicated, and was confirmed in those reviews, that it did not. Hopefully with the Tracer now also offering the AMT and being a more technologically bike, this will be included.
I live America 🇺🇸 I think it would be great if you did a lot of freeway cruising then manually on 2 lane roads
That's how I rode my DCT in Utah, using the sport mode of the DCT for interstate and manual with lever shifting in the canyons for a bit more fun.
Clutch is just so much more fun and versatile
Losing the ability to bump start a bike matters to me, so bikes that are only automatic will remain a no-go for myself.
Should have put a clutch leaver aswell like Honda has done with the e clutch give you the option for tunnels and wheelies aha
MT-09 definitely keep manual transmission ❤❤❤
Big praise for calling it what it is - Automated Manual Transmission. NOT AUTOMATIC!
What will we do, if the bike is parked and turned off, how are we gonna move the bike without turning the ignition on...if there was a clutch we can pull the clutch and move the bike without turning the ignition..when at home, while washing the bike...we cannot move the bike without turning it on, right??
We need to talk about the exhaust!
Quick shifter is the best solution for now
Question: There is no neutral gear? Honda has a neutral button and thus a handbrake on their dct models, be cause of parking on hills.
I go between auto and tipttonic in my cars all the time.
Using manual when cornering and roundabouts etc but longer smoother stuff, I’ll leave it in auto.
This seems no different at all.
Nobody has mentioned it so assume there is no launch mode? If it had one I would consider AMT.
You sound like the guy we have all seen in videos on youtube. and not in a good way. be safe man.
I think this tech would suit a low rider/tourer/cruiser
To each there own, but I would never in a million years buy an automatic motorcycle.
missed the perfect opportunity to call it AMT-09
Hi Bob, any idea when your going to review the BMW R1300 GS ASA, as i'm looking for a big bike an automated gearbox
It's all great tech and all, but i will avoid it at all cost. I want to ride with a clutch and shifter. Bummer, I will have to find another model or brand. I can see it being useful for some people with disabilities, but does not fit the hooligan style riding.
You can still get a manual version.
Oh, that's great, at least they kept it as an option. I like the MT09.
I think the same way . This isn’t a commuter. The quickshifter is good enough. This new technology must evolve. The exhaust system looks awful. I really hate that view and the color of the exhaust too
I don't need a motorcycle that wants to do whatever it wants to do. I want complete control over the transmission.