I think that the paragon limit should only apply in boss events because if you just save up enough money it’s just an instant win and there’s no challenge. But I think in anything other than boss events should be allowed all paragons Edit: OMG Ty so much for 700 likes :) Edit: TWO AWAY FROM 800 OMG
I mean making the money is the challenge that’s the whole point then your placements and micro is what matters and then how fast you can do that. The bosses already have restrictions anyways so just restrict it every so often with certain paragons and stuff like they already were
Personally I think the paragon limits should only be applied during things like boss events. Personally I think paragons are a bit like a reward for doing well and unlocking towers, paragons are then end game tower that is fun just because it is super powerful. If they want a form of limit maybe hav paragon prices scale getting a percent higher cost each paragon you buy. I was pretty upset when they added the limit because I was looking forward to combining them all together into one big army of paragons. I get them wanting to reduce lag or bugs but maybe have a warning screen when you are going over a certain amount.
Nah I'm with you. Nix the paragon limit, and start making paragons to compliment each other, rather than each being pure damage dealers. BTD6 is the most fun when it's about which towers synergize well together in different situations.
the paragon limit should be a challenge editor setting; this would allow boss events to have it while making it customizable for challenges and would also get rid of the cap for freeplay. I feel like that would be a win-win for the players and for NK
if you see this please ask ninjakiwi to implement a setting where you can disable attack effects to reduce lag and make it easier to see the towers you have on later rounds.
@@yeetboi2615 they’ve discussed this, the attack effects do almost nothing to impact lag. The lag is caused by the number of calculations done in such a short amount of time at higher levels.
Ok thank you for clarification. I think the setting would be a great quality of life improvement because in higher rounds I want to overclock certain towers i wouldn’t be able to see.
The whole thing that made me love btd back in the day was the idea of being able to get further and further just by being better. Having a clear limit like this makes it’s just so much more boring to play knowing you can’t do any better than previously
17:20 It’s a fair point, but I’m still not satisfied with NK’s decision. I think what should happen is that the limit only applies to boss bloons. It should not apply to freeplay for any reason though, it limits players’ experiences and ability to have fun in the late-game.
I want the next paragon to specifically be Banana Farm. The reason you would want this paragon is because it makes a lot of cash and removes the paragon cap, but in turn is the most expensive tower in the game, beating out vengeful temples and every other paragon.
It would be fun if you could make even greater paragons. For example, sacrifice three primary paragons into one Primary Paragon, or some thing with the Magic Paragon or Military Paragon. 😂
I think the paragon limit is stupid because the people that are going for it are spending several hours of their time going for it and not many people are doing this so the people that do go for it should be able to achieve such a feat that not many bloons players will willing take up such a hard task if they do they should be able too
Tip for surviving longer, get a t5 glue storm. This gives a debuff to the bloons similar to the super brittle. Get a tech bot on it and you should last at least dome extra rounds!
They should not have a Limit. They could add a challange Optionen so if you want to limit them for challanges or Boss Events you can. But stopping me from pushing the game to its limits is kinda anyoing
I think the idea may be similar to the only 1 tier 5 tower system? But still paragons are different towers, so I think this should be only for bosses and stuff like that
I think the Paragon limit is dumb. Cause the whole point of the game for me is to have fun and to get good. It's rewarding if you can get a Paragon let alone 3 million dollars worth of Paragon cause it's hard af to do. Idk why they keep needing free play even though it's by yourself. I just wanna have fun, stop nerfing everything.
If it stays at a 3 paragon limit, then paragons like the alchemist(if it buffs other paragons) will be completely useless. I have a save with the first 5 paragons at degree 100 and now I’m sad I can’t continue.
They said it’s to balance support paragons to not be op by allowing you to just get absurd amounts of paragons by going for the support paragons early, and making them a trade off
Idk if you talked about this or not but maybe for late game defenses try pop and awe cuz of the extra bad damage it gives to all artillery batteries and stuff, and I think it would be less laggy than a lot of spectres
Probably a really stupid question but wouldn’t it be better if you put the boomerangs monkey paragon in the little square where the balloons go around three times for max pops?
Paragon Limit is only for pros. But the Paragon Limit will still be implemented like this: Normal Mode Paragon Limit - 0 Boss Mode Paragon Limit - 8 Elite Boss Mode Paragon Limit - 4 Also, Goliath Doomship is currently the 2nd Best Paragon. You should've (maybe) go with the Navarch first to have more space for more Spectre because I think Spectre had been buffed by higher damage to fortified and moab class.
I think the limit should be removed. The thing that stops you from getting all of them is the paragon requirment. Maybe swap out the limit with a feature that makes paragons more expensive if you have any paragons.
There should be a way to turn it off in the challenge menu. This keeps the game pretty much the same and still gives us the chance to push our selves to the max
boss battles, sure have a limit. the normal game modes, nope have it uncapped. it will have people to try and get to high levels. they then could have a new achievement that is 'have X number of paragons at once'
The Apex should have gone first as the you don't really need to micro Master Builder once the 3 sentries are down (I don't take any notice of the green), it's power output is still top 3. The Nav should have been next (really it should have been one of your first 3), Nav is king not just for pop count but taking out 2 fortified bads per round is essential late game. Also just because you've got all that power onscreen doesn't mean you can throw them down anywhere, your placement is less than ideal. One more thing, another reason to get the Nav early is you've got all these pools sitting around, you may as well put your main towers in them for the water tower buff, but again placement is key.
the one thing about Paragon limits for boss Bloons is that, I want to one day see elite bloonarious on blons. For that we probably need a lot more than 4 paragons.
They should keep the paragon limit but you should be allowed to combine the paragons into a category paragon. I.e "Primary Paragon" "Military Paragon" "Magic Paragon" or "Support Paragon" based on what you build and then choose. Since you can only have 1 paragon of each then once you combine to a category paragon you cant build another anyway and you'll eventually hit the category cap.
I hate we only can get three Paragon per game I'm fine if we only can get that in for Boss events but for normal games I hate only getting three Paragons I can degree with you because you're right and I don't like the update we only can get three Paragons I just don't like getting three paragon
LMFAO, 300+ rounds are rough. Somehow I managed to pull off 354 as my best runs a few days before the boat paragon. I was thinking of trying to push a little further but no motivation. Due to the paragon limit and such, I have a new hobby; Furthest CHIMPS round. 156 is currently my best.
If you try again go with the navarch 1st... get ur pops with the flavoured trades income maybe even have lv 100 navarch b4 round 100 if u can boost lv Geraldo early... 5 pops per 1 income generated
The paragon limit is no dofferent than the path limit. You can't build 4.4.4 towers. You can't have everything that you want. Maps have constraints like how much water there is or obstacles that restrict line of sight and placement. You can only have 1 of each tier 5. Water towers could come with their own portable lakes and land towers pontoons but they don't so you have to choose carefully what you want. If you look at the expert maps they show what the game is about perfectly. Every single game mode adds comstraints and makes btd6 more challenging. The paragon limit is just another constraint Would it be cool to see just how far you could push it with no constraints sure but thats what sandbox is for (and I do think the no paragons in sandbox is stupid)
i definitely think paragon limit should only be a thing in boss events if it's going to be a thing but honestly even then i don't think there's any reason for there to be a limit for boss bloons either. getting paragons is so difficult to begin with being able to get all of them on the screen at once during boss events is just unreasonable. i don't understand the limits at all. I also think most of the paragons have honestly been kinda disappointing? Like APM was really cool being the first one, and then ascended shadow was *fantastic* but i think those 2 paragons set the bar too high. Navarch is *ultra* powerful being the only tower in the game who can just eat BADs, but he's also really expensive and requires a lot of water space to be able to get, and then the GMD, the Master Builder and the ace paragon are all honestly pretty weak in comparison to those 3, while also being more expensive than better options. paragons clearly need a total rebalance to make them all feel worth using cause as it stands right now i'd go for APM, AS, and then Navarch and leave it at that
I think the later rounds ruin everything about this game. Part of the satisfaction of this game was popping BALLOONS by the hundreds (thousands, millions, etc) and getting rewarded for it. Later rounds are nothing but zeppelins and blimps that take forever to pop with no reward; it even gets boring to play/watch. Still, great job on the video, SJB.
To be honest, The limit might be there due to game limitation or just other possible reasons i would not have any idea on. I believe the limit should be only on events or boss events rather than the entire game. It would allow more freedom but at the same time increase creativity for boss events and races.
It used to be possible to sell Geraldo and rebuy + cash levelling him to basically buy as many totems as one wishes. Was that nerfed?!? Or just too expensive... But great video and thanks for the grind so we don't have to slog through an endevour like this. I don't care that there is a paragon limit. Getting to 3 lvl 100 ones is already too much of a grind for me!
I got 5 degree 100 paragons before round 290, so it is possible. I did it on cubeisem or what the map is called. I didnt use any support items, just farmed hard from the start and got an really eraly geraldo lvl 20. I didnt even regrow farm, so maybe just fokus on getting geraldo early lvl 20.
I don't like the limit but if they have to put one, just for the Bloonarius and Events. If they have to have one for the entire system then they shouldn't all be able to be level 100. So you could get all six but they can't be level 100 just one. Makes it fair since they are trying to make stuff fair.
the problem becomes BADs. with a buffed BMA and a navarck of the sea, you'll never die to anything other than a bad, but eventually the BADs becomes impossible to pop
Dude the dart paragon is so extremely bad now.. it blows my mind how bad they nerfed it. I know they didn’t want the dart paragon to be the strongest but doing what they did literally killed it. They should have simply given a small attack speed decrease as well as a like $100k price nerf making it $450 or whatever.. it is literally unusable. 0-0-1 heli is stronger than plasma master now.. I will not be building it until it’s usable again because it’s pathetic. Heavy nerfs are the worst type of balance in games.
Hot take, I somewhat understand why the paragon limit is in place. If they eventually make paragons for every single tower, that is absurd to have all of that on one screen. To limit the amount of things on screen not only reduces lag for quality of life but also reduces memory needed allowing it to continue to be a pretty small application when gigs are concerned. Now I’d also wish in a perfect world when u can have a dartling, mortar, tack and of course farm paragons all in one game, but some things aren’t worth sacrificing others. Hot take over
I initially didn't want the limit, but they bring up a good point. It seems like they're trying to make it like 5th tiers, you can only have one 5th ya know
Hey sjb not sure if you're gonna read this but i have a run going on the cabin with navarch of the seven seas, Goliath doomship and ascended shadow and i just got the master builder... So that's 4 total? Don't know what happened there but
its wierd and funny to see that the bma was the monkey star since you had 3 tier 100 paragons, its also fnny to see that he got about 1/3 of the total pops. XD
i have always and will always stand by the statement that the BMA is the strongest freeplay tower in the game. like 40k for billions of free pops in freeplay vs ~1M for a paragon that doesnt even break a few hundred million
I think its more of an issue of performance and also lag, it already gets pretty bad beyond round 120ish so imagine all 6 paragons at once spamming a million projectiles You'd never see your screen, and you'd never see the tower
I’m not sure if anyone already commented this but, the paragon limit is 3 or 4 paragons, I only know this because in the Co Op me and my friend got 4 paragons we tried to get a 5th then the upgrade path said paragon limit reached
we actually got nerfed, since we used to be able to have 5 paragons. now, only 3. but in the grand scheme of things, 6 paragons versus 5 isn't going to let us push out that much farther. or course, we will get farther, but it isn't like its pushing out another 25-50 rounds on top of the current records. In terms of what we are losing for what we are gaining, the paragon cap is dumb.
Just my opinion but I feel like the engineer should've been kept longer than the dart monkey and gotten first because of his overclock. He should've continued getting stronger, even with no micro, while the dart monkey was always stuck at where it started.
Welp if they say that there will be paragon that can do everything then sure im ok with paragon limited but i still want to have all paragons on screen because its cool.
Just scrap the limit altogheter? No one gets more than 2 paragons in boss events, it's usually a high degree "good one" and a lower degree bought with spare money. The only ones screwed over by this are the freeplay guys and they weren't bothering anyone. This whole update feels like nk throwing a tantrum like "Oh you guys are unhappy that the towers we called 5-5-5s are basically a 6th single path upgrade? Well if you dislike them that much then you can't complain about having less of them"
They must've fixed that because I'm able to have 5 on the map at one time. The only one I'm missing is the engineer monkey and that's because I don't have the paragon unlocked yet
I feel like this video kinda shows why having a paragon limit might not be the worst idea. I would definitely prefer having 4 paragons allowed instead of 3, but I think once you start going for your fifth or sixth paragon it gets a bit much. With five+ paragons on screen you definitely won't be able to ever find your cursor, even without any temples at all, and it takes so long to get all the paragon totems for all max degree paragons. If nothing else, at least with a paragon limit you can stop buying totems at round like 250 instead of 350 or something
Honestly I'm in favor of the paragon limit, especially considering that some are better than others. It'll add a bit more strategy for using the ones that are more specialized for BAD popping vs popping everything else.
I think the paragon limit is due to what the game can handle, as you see, the 3 paragons went down to like 12 FPS give or take lol, so 6 paragons probably would crash the game itself no matter what computing power you're using.
Watching this 5 months later and thinking “but there is no paragon limit” 😂 maybe do this challenge again because you can now have all 6 paragons on screen instead of just 3
So I just checked for the update for I can get four Paragons it says now the cap is the number four but when I try to get all four Paragons but it only let me get three
Its weird ninja kiwi is worried about balancing paragons, considering what you have to do to get them high level, id say they should be VERY busted tbh lol...
I think that the paragon limit should only apply in boss events because if you just save up enough money it’s just an instant win and there’s no challenge. But I think in anything other than boss events should be allowed all paragons
Edit: OMG Ty so much for 700 likes :)
Edit: TWO AWAY FROM 800 OMG
Free play
I can't even get 1 in boss events, it all seems ridiculous to me lol
Yeeeeeeessss
Ur soooooooo right
I mean making the money is the challenge that’s the whole point then your placements and micro is what matters and then how fast you can do that.
The bosses already have restrictions anyways so just restrict it every so often with certain paragons and stuff like they already were
Personally I think the paragon limits should only be applied during things like boss events. Personally I think paragons are a bit like a reward for doing well and unlocking towers, paragons are then end game tower that is fun just because it is super powerful. If they want a form of limit maybe hav paragon prices scale getting a percent higher cost each paragon you buy. I was pretty upset when they added the limit because I was looking forward to combining them all together into one big army of paragons. I get them wanting to reduce lag or bugs but maybe have a warning screen when you are going over a certain amount.
I think the vengeful sun temple is a secret paragon
@@redspiral5079 Same. When They Make The Super Paragon, They Should Just Make It The VTSG And Delete The Other Method Of Making It.
I think they should keep the paragon limit for the boss event but don’t have it for every other mode.
That makes sense 👌
Same
I disagree because people would just push until late game and get a Flying Fortress to get a degree like 300-500 degree
@@Gg-gk5zr how do you get a degree 500 paragon
@prestonbennett9370 they would get a flying fortress to get hundreds of millions of pops with other specters and continuesly get paragon totems
Nah I'm with you. Nix the paragon limit, and start making paragons to compliment each other, rather than each being pure damage dealers. BTD6 is the most fun when it's about which towers synergize well together in different situations.
the paragon limit should be a challenge editor setting; this would allow boss events to have it while making it customizable for challenges and would also get rid of the cap for freeplay. I feel like that would be a win-win for the players and for NK
That's what I was also thinking lol!
if you see this please ask ninjakiwi to implement a setting where you can disable attack effects to reduce lag and make it easier to see the towers you have on later rounds.
That’s such a good idea. They should 100% implement.
@@yeetboi2615 they’ve discussed this, the attack effects do almost nothing to impact lag. The lag is caused by the number of calculations done in such a short amount of time at higher levels.
Ok thank you for clarification. I think the setting would be a great quality of life improvement because in higher rounds I want to overclock certain towers i wouldn’t be able to see.
The whole thing that made me love btd back in the day was the idea of being able to get further and further just by being better. Having a clear limit like this makes it’s just so much more boring to play knowing you can’t do any better than previously
17:20 It’s a fair point, but I’m still not satisfied with NK’s decision. I think what should happen is that the limit only applies to boss bloons. It should not apply to freeplay for any reason though, it limits players’ experiences and ability to have fun in the late-game.
Love the content you are able to keep putting out for us SJB. Thanks!
I want the next paragon to specifically be Banana Farm. The reason you would want this paragon is because it makes a lot of cash and removes the paragon cap, but in turn is the most expensive tower in the game, beating out vengeful temples and every other paragon.
They already confirmed the next paragon is wizard
Untill now, I hadn't thought about the fact that the banana farm paragon, with a paragon cap, will be completely and totally worthless
In the most recent patch notes they are thinking about switching the paragon cap to specific events such as boss bloons, races, etc.
@@kyleporchia2903 yes please
@@kyleporchia2903 bro thats so trash like tehy couldve atleast tried to make a unique paragon like dartling or ice wizard
It would be fun if you could make even greater paragons. For example, sacrifice three primary paragons into one Primary Paragon, or some thing with the Magic Paragon or Military Paragon. 😂
Paragon squared
@@patrickhoover8501 pentagon
I agree with everyone that the paragon limit should be just for bosses, or at least make the limit higher than just 3 or 4
This man deserves more likes, compared to his views. It sucks. Spends all this time and effort, and mental work to do this.
Damn Chris. The sheer grit. I applaud you for the serious grind on playing on a regular level.
Yup, seriously a time suck
I think the paragon limit is stupid because the people that are going for it are spending several hours of their time going for it and not many people are doing this so the people that do go for it should be able to achieve such a feat that not many bloons players will willing take up such a hard task if they do they should be able too
Imo the Navarch is the best Paragon in the game. I only got a level 69 on one of my current games but he literally carries me at 250+
Nice
It’s hilarious that they released the update to 4 paragon limit on the 19th after you filmed this
Tip for surviving longer, get a t5 glue storm. This gives a debuff to the bloons similar to the super brittle. Get a tech bot on it and you should last at least dome extra rounds!
The navarch of the sea being 85 instead of 100 is kinda funny
Facts
Why i don't get it
how?
There isn't that much water so I get it
Now we're gonna need another with the magus perfectus
They should not have a Limit.
They could add a challange Optionen so if you want to limit them for challanges or Boss Events you can.
But stopping me from pushing the game to its limits is kinda anyoing
I like that SJB is doing some clickbaiting but not going so far as to lie about what degrees the Paragons would end up reaching
I think the idea may be similar to the only 1 tier 5 tower system? But still paragons are different towers, so I think this should be only for bosses and stuff like that
I agree. They should remove limit for free play. Only apply limit to ranks and bosses
I think the Paragon limit is dumb. Cause the whole point of the game for me is to have fun and to get good. It's rewarding if you can get a Paragon let alone 3 million dollars worth of Paragon cause it's hard af to do. Idk why they keep needing free play even though it's by yourself. I just wanna have fun, stop nerfing everything.
If it stays at a 3 paragon limit, then paragons like the alchemist(if it buffs other paragons) will be completely useless. I have a save with the first 5 paragons at degree 100 and now I’m sad I can’t continue.
Look at the last post (mit video) of Ethan Reid. He posted that NK rises the limit to 4 paragons
@@duusu2608 that's still stupid the limit shouldn't exist at all
They said it’s to balance support paragons to not be op by allowing you to just get absurd amounts of paragons by going for the support paragons early, and making them a trade off
I don't usually like-button videos like this (full lets-play type things), but SJB truly deserves it this time around!
Idk if you talked about this or not but maybe for late game defenses try pop and awe cuz of the extra bad damage it gives to all artillery batteries and stuff, and I think it would be less laggy than a lot of spectres
Probably a really stupid question but wouldn’t it be better if you put the boomerangs monkey paragon in the little square where the balloons go around three times for max pops?
Paragon Limit is only for pros. But the Paragon Limit will still be implemented like this:
Normal Mode
Paragon Limit - 0
Boss Mode
Paragon Limit - 8
Elite Boss Mode
Paragon Limit - 4
Also, Goliath Doomship is currently the 2nd Best Paragon. You should've (maybe) go with the Navarch first to have more space for more Spectre because I think Spectre had been buffed by higher damage to fortified and moab class.
Why don't they make a paragon tax, the more paragon you have the more expensive they get like 2 paragon = +150 000$ for third paragon ect ect
Noooooooooooooo. It's already hard to get that
I think the limit should be removed. The thing that stops you from getting all of them is the paragon requirment. Maybe swap out the limit with a feature that makes paragons more expensive if you have any paragons.
There should be a way to turn it off in the challenge menu. This keeps the game pretty much the same and still gives us the chance to push our selves to the max
boss battles, sure have a limit. the normal game modes, nope have it uncapped. it will have people to try and get to high levels. they then could have a new achievement that is 'have X number of paragons at once'
The Apex should have gone first as the you don't really need to micro Master Builder once the 3 sentries are down (I don't take any notice of the green), it's power output is still top 3. The Nav should have been next (really it should have been one of your first 3), Nav is king not just for pop count but taking out 2 fortified bads per round is essential late game. Also just because you've got all that power onscreen doesn't mean you can throw them down anywhere, your placement is less than ideal. One more thing, another reason to get the Nav early is you've got all these pools sitting around, you may as well put your main towers in them for the water tower buff, but again placement is key.
I thought you could only have 3 paragons?
Edit: I was right I just didn't get to the ascended shadow part
recently got into btd6, found this channel, found another comment from ur videos saying how unique your intros and outros are… so so unique lmao
the one thing about Paragon limits for boss Bloons is that, I want to one day see elite bloonarious on blons. For that we probably need a lot more than 4 paragons.
Sounds impossible no matter how many paragons your throw at it.
They should keep the paragon limit but you should be allowed to combine the paragons into a category paragon. I.e "Primary Paragon" "Military Paragon" "Magic Paragon" or "Support Paragon" based on what you build and then choose. Since you can only have 1 paragon of each then once you combine to a category paragon you cant build another anyway and you'll eventually hit the category cap.
this is why BMA is my favourite tower in this came, and also why I am so excited for the BMA Paragon to come out. (whenever it does)
Bma?
@@josephmurphy417 005 alch
I hate we only can get three Paragon per game I'm fine if we only can get that in for Boss events but for normal games I hate only getting three Paragons I can degree with you because you're right and I don't like the update we only can get three Paragons I just don't like getting three paragon
LMFAO, 300+ rounds are rough. Somehow I managed to pull off 354 as my best runs a few days before the boat paragon. I was thinking of trying to push a little further but no motivation.
Due to the paragon limit and such, I have a new hobby; Furthest CHIMPS round. 156 is currently my best.
If you try again go with the navarch 1st... get ur pops with the flavoured trades income maybe even have lv 100 navarch b4 round 100 if u can boost lv Geraldo early... 5 pops per 1 income generated
The grind is real when seeking those juicy delicious Level 100 Paragons! 😄
You the man.
nice job with the video and all the work you did to get there
Chris, I want to see you get the Navarch in a CHIMPS run, you could definitely beat your current record if you managed to get it xD
The paragon limit is no dofferent than the path limit. You can't build 4.4.4 towers. You can't have everything that you want. Maps have constraints like how much water there is or obstacles that restrict line of sight and placement. You can only have 1 of each tier 5. Water towers could come with their own portable lakes and land towers pontoons but they don't so you have to choose carefully what you want.
If you look at the expert maps they show what the game is about perfectly. Every single game mode adds comstraints and makes btd6 more challenging. The paragon limit is just another constraint
Would it be cool to see just how far you could push it with no constraints sure but thats what sandbox is for (and I do think the no paragons in sandbox is stupid)
i definitely think paragon limit should only be a thing in boss events if it's going to be a thing but honestly even then i don't think there's any reason for there to be a limit for boss bloons either. getting paragons is so difficult to begin with being able to get all of them on the screen at once during boss events is just unreasonable. i don't understand the limits at all.
I also think most of the paragons have honestly been kinda disappointing? Like APM was really cool being the first one, and then ascended shadow was *fantastic* but i think those 2 paragons set the bar too high. Navarch is *ultra* powerful being the only tower in the game who can just eat BADs, but he's also really expensive and requires a lot of water space to be able to get, and then the GMD, the Master Builder and the ace paragon are all honestly pretty weak in comparison to those 3, while also being more expensive than better options.
paragons clearly need a total rebalance to make them all feel worth using cause as it stands right now i'd go for APM, AS, and then Navarch and leave it at that
I think the later rounds ruin everything about this game. Part of the satisfaction of this game was popping BALLOONS by the hundreds (thousands, millions, etc) and getting rewarded for it. Later rounds are nothing but zeppelins and blimps that take forever to pop with no reward; it even gets boring to play/watch. Still, great job on the video, SJB.
I got all the Paragons except the plane before round 150(they were all around lvl 1-30) it was my first time ever getting a paragon
To be honest, The limit might be there due to game limitation or just other possible reasons i would not have any idea on. I believe the limit should be only on events or boss events rather than the entire game. It would allow more freedom but at the same time increase creativity for boss events and races.
It used to be possible to sell Geraldo and rebuy + cash levelling him to basically buy as many totems as one wishes. Was that nerfed?!? Or just too expensive... But great video and thanks for the grind so we don't have to slog through an endevour like this.
I don't care that there is a paragon limit. Getting to 3 lvl 100 ones is already too much of a grind for me!
It was nerfed
No, you can't. I tried
I got 5 degree 100 paragons before round 290, so it is possible. I did it on cubeisem or what the map is called. I didnt use any support items, just farmed hard from the start and got an really eraly geraldo lvl 20. I didnt even regrow farm, so maybe just fokus on getting geraldo early lvl 20.
Bro you always going to the max and I love it
the paragon limit should only apply in boss mode
I don't like the limit but if they have to put one, just for the Bloonarius and Events. If they have to have one for the entire system then they shouldn't all be able to be level 100. So you could get all six but they can't be level 100 just one. Makes it fair since they are trying to make stuff fair.
Epic run! I can't even fathom round 313. How long did this take?!
Why would not just get the boat paragon as your 4th paragon….. it’s the best paragon by far.
You know what would be an interesting video. Seeing how far you would get with unlimited bloon master alchemists.
unless you add a mod to allow BMA to pop BADs, BMA would fail on literally any round that has a BAD in it
the problem becomes BADs. with a buffed BMA and a navarck of the sea, you'll never die to anything other than a bad, but eventually the BADs becomes impossible to pop
Ah right. Totally forgot about that. Still curious tho. Definitely will help with lag.
@@martinshoosterman Navarch*
Dude the dart paragon is so extremely bad now.. it blows my mind how bad they nerfed it. I know they didn’t want the dart paragon to be the strongest but doing what they did literally killed it. They should have simply given a small attack speed decrease as well as a like $100k price nerf making it $450 or whatever.. it is literally unusable. 0-0-1 heli is stronger than plasma master now.. I will not be building it until it’s usable again because it’s pathetic. Heavy nerfs are the worst type of balance in games.
Hot take, I somewhat understand why the paragon limit is in place. If they eventually make paragons for every single tower, that is absurd to have all of that on one screen. To limit the amount of things on screen not only reduces lag for quality of life but also reduces memory needed allowing it to continue to be a pretty small application when gigs are concerned. Now I’d also wish in a perfect world when u can have a dartling, mortar, tack and of course farm paragons all in one game, but some things aren’t worth sacrificing others. Hot take over
I initially didn't want the limit, but they bring up a good point. It seems like they're trying to make it like 5th tiers, you can only have one 5th ya know
Yeah but they're not the same monkey if i get a 5th tier third path dart monkey i can get a 5th tier third path tack shooter
I really love that he did it without instas or mods or double cash
If you use the time stop ability tha it slows bloons but doesn't slow down the paragons
This would be the most nutty 2mp challenge strategy
Hey sjb not sure if you're gonna read this but i have a run going on the cabin with navarch of the seven seas, Goliath doomship and ascended shadow and i just got the master builder... So that's 4 total? Don't know what happened there but
its wierd and funny to see that the bma was the monkey star since you had 3 tier 100 paragons, its also fnny to see that he got about 1/3 of the total pops. XD
I don't know how to explain it. But this vid has a really good vibe.
they should also combine the amount of pops you get into one tower
i have always and will always stand by the statement that the BMA is the strongest freeplay tower in the game. like 40k for billions of free pops in freeplay vs ~1M for a paragon that doesnt even break a few hundred million
I think its more of an issue of performance and also lag, it already gets pretty bad beyond round 120ish so imagine all 6 paragons at once spamming a million projectiles
You'd never see your screen, and you'd never see the tower
"Nips, vibration proof" I love SJBs stuff. I grew up watching this guy. 😂
It should be a max paragon total level like combined they can only have 600 levels. So you could have multiple 50s or 6 100s.
I’m not sure if anyone already commented this but, the paragon limit is 3 or 4 paragons, I only know this because in the Co Op me and my friend got 4 paragons we tried to get a 5th then the upgrade path said paragon limit reached
So I’m theorizing that the paragon limit is set 2 but then increases for each player
The f*** is telegram
we actually got nerfed, since we used to be able to have 5 paragons. now, only 3. but in the grand scheme of things, 6 paragons versus 5 isn't going to let us push out that much farther. or course, we will get farther, but it isn't like its pushing out another 25-50 rounds on top of the current records. In terms of what we are losing for what we are gaining, the paragon cap is dumb.
This may very well be the worst way I could have worded my thoughts, but I'm tired.
Man I wish he could have gotten them all
Just my opinion but I feel like the engineer should've been kept longer than the dart monkey and gotten first because of his overclock. He should've continued getting stronger, even with no micro, while the dart monkey was always stuck at where it started.
i think that they should keep the limit in bosses but not everything else
Welp if they say that there will be paragon that can do everything then sure im ok with paragon limited but i still want to have all paragons on screen because its cool.
Just scrap the limit altogheter? No one gets more than 2 paragons in boss events, it's usually a high degree "good one" and a lower degree bought with spare money. The only ones screwed over by this are the freeplay guys and they weren't bothering anyone.
This whole update feels like nk throwing a tantrum like "Oh you guys are unhappy that the towers we called 5-5-5s are basically a 6th single path upgrade? Well if you dislike them that much then you can't complain about having less of them"
They must've fixed that because I'm able to have 5 on the map at one time. The only one I'm missing is the engineer monkey and that's because I don't have the paragon unlocked yet
Fun fact: every sentry paragon build mini sentry paragons which will be something even if you don't wanna micro
Limit it to the boss event for a safe middle ground. I don't understand why they would apply it to free play. Doest really feel free
I feel like this video kinda shows why having a paragon limit might not be the worst idea. I would definitely prefer having 4 paragons allowed instead of 3, but I think once you start going for your fifth or sixth paragon it gets a bit much. With five+ paragons on screen you definitely won't be able to ever find your cursor, even without any temples at all, and it takes so long to get all the paragon totems for all max degree paragons. If nothing else, at least with a paragon limit you can stop buying totems at round like 250 instead of 350 or something
The navarch seems to always target the reinforced bads for me at least
i was literally bout to look for a vid like this wtf sjb
Honestly I'm in favor of the paragon limit, especially considering that some are better than others. It'll add a bit more strategy for using the ones that are more specialized for BAD popping vs popping everything else.
You should make a late game guide video to get round like 4-500 if that’s even still possible
Tbh I wish banana farm paragon would be nice but this limit just doesn't feel right to me
I think if the limit was something like 2 paragons per monkey type that would be fair
Limit Paragons on Bosses & Races. Casual shouldn't have a paragon limit.
I think the paragon limit is due to what the game can handle, as you see, the 3 paragons went down to like 12 FPS give or take lol, so 6 paragons probably would crash the game itself no matter what computing power you're using.
Pretty sure that happens regardless of what towers you put up when you get that deep into the game
SJB i recently have recieved an update which removes the limit of paragon in normal mode, maybe you'll notice it soon
Watching this 5 months later and thinking “but there is no paragon limit” 😂 maybe do this challenge again because you can now have all 6 paragons on screen instead of just 3
He should wait for the 7th paragon, speaking of which what do you think it’s gonna be? I think wizard
I think the limit is to prevent lag.
So I just checked for the update for I can get four Paragons it says now the cap is the number four but when I try to get all four Paragons but it only let me get three
17:50 someone tell me WHATS HIS 2ND ABILITY..
call to arms
Its weird ninja kiwi is worried about balancing paragons, considering what you have to do to get them high level, id say they should be VERY busted tbh lol...
You can get a higher degree on your buccaneer paragon by using boat farms
This video is gonna be satisfying , oh so satisfying
I think mortar defortification would have helped.