@afterraincomessun the organization we serve is a master that we will always want to stay with! The organization is our Shepard. The organization is our God which we love. The organization created heaven and earth, we owe our lives to the organization. AND THE ORGANIZATION KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR US.
@jrichard1977 part 2 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, the influence of Babylon is dying because she has fallen . But when she was strong she kept true believers in spiritual darkness.God lead his people out of Babylon and the faithful and discrete slave lead them.
@jrichard1977 IN the old testament a slave could show apreciation for his master by letting Him known that he , the slave , wanted to belong to the masters household. He was to have his ear pierced . The Jehovah we serve is a master that we will always want to stay with ! He is our sheppard . He is our God which we love . He created heaven and earth , we owe our lives to Him , AND HE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR US.
@liimra4all .mattew 10: 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU. Perhaps this last time was not a good time you still have time to change. grab the everlasting life that is in the truth of the witnesses.
ThANk YOu I totally agree !! i wish they were just more open to do the research , The people ive told to do their research were very scared as if what i was telling them was from the Devil. Oh its just so sad. My inlaws are all JW adn i dont know what to do
truth is not only facts but it takes brains to interprete the facts: history reveals the meaning of words language and the bias that we have naturally slowly we leave behind. in search for the truth we always think we have arrived at the ultimate view , but later we see we draw conclusion to quick: Even those THAT JESUS HAS CHOSEN were quick to draw the wrong conclusions: who was the greatest , are you going to restore the true kingdom now or later: not all the facts are revealed with miracles!
@jrichard1977 2 And the people fell to quarreling with Moses and saying: “Give us water that we may drink.” Moses said : “Why are YOU quarreling with me? Why do YOU keep putting Jehovah to the test?” 3 And the people went on thirsting there for water, and the people kept murmuring against Moses and saying: “Why is it that you have brought us up out of Egypt to put us and our sonsdeath by thirst?” 4 Finally Moses cried out to Jehovah, saying: “What shall I do with this people?
@liimra4all Sometimes the Lamb of God makes an unexpected turn while we were eager to go in one straight direction : These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes 4 These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; .. without blemish.
@jrichard1977 the people fell to quarreling with Moses and saying: “Give us water that we may drink.” .. Moses said to them: “Why are YOU quarreling with me? Why do YOU keep putting Jehovah to the test?” 3 And the people went on thirsting there for water, and the people kept murmuring against Moses and saying: “Why is it that you have brought us up out of Egypt to put us and our sons to death by thirst?” 4 .. Moses cried out to Jehovah, saying: “What shall I do with this people?
@MamaGboyega Yes you are absolutly right. When ever you hear a witness use the name Jehovah you can just substitute the word "organization" because they really do worship the organization. Just read what aftertheraincomessun posted to me below.
Even towards Peter Jesus was mild for although he rebuked Satan after Peter said something wrong , six days later Jesus showed himself in transfiguration matthew 16,17:23 But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” Matthew 17:1-27 1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John his brother along 2 And he was transfigured before them
@jrichard1977 if you let God Jehovah be the judge but 2 cor 6 :14 14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.”
@TitusChapter1Verse11 you should ask that same question at : medicine what did we know in 1900 about illness and its causes: we were Quacks . But still we did the best we could and made progression It is not possible to skip this time : but the problem is that we would have been wrong if we PERSISTED IN WRONG VIEWS IF FACTS TELL US TO CHANGE SO sure any medic would be dismissed if he would practice like a 100 years ago
@jrichard1977 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
@afterraincomessun I appreciate your comment. To be perfectly honest, I agree that the Lord is the shepherd of his pasture. However, I still challenge you and any other JW to take an UNBIASED look at the organization in which you place ALL OF YOUR FAITH for your salvation. After all, the Watchtower's own publication says, "...Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation." This is unbiblical and blasphemous. I go straight to Christ for salvation. Neither is there salvation in any other! :)
@TitusChapter1Verse11 sure : what would Jesus say about Blood? I give you a hint:. 28 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge·hen´na. 39 He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it.
@liimra4all well it is very simple : in 1975 we were 6000 years from the creation of adam. as adam was created short for the end of the sith day , and the seventh day started , we think it could have been that close after 1975 the sevent millennium could have started and the millennium we were waiting for: so those who had hope and enthousiasm were in favor of announcing this very special moment . we got it wrong but still that is a mistake we made : no God did not have this date in mind:
@liimra4all I get excited about this stuff, too. No problem. I am probably just more shocked that people who claim to believe the Bible is God's Word would rather listen to a dictatorial governing body tell them what the Bible says than read it for themselves. That's cheap to me.
@BloodBoughtChad Thanks man. Yeah, what mindboggles me is that these JWs don't appear to really seek out what is truth. I see them as a people enslaved to a corporation, and they are reduced to being, essentially, a group of "yes people" where they do and believe exactly as the WTS dictates. It's a ruthless dictatorship, in my opinion.
@afterraincomessun I appreciate all of your comments, but my real question posed to you in the video is this: Will you accept my challenge and do a real investigation of the WTS and be unbiased about it?
@TitusChapter1Verse11 THIS was one wicked deed of Saul : what was his end/ would you say if we did like saul it would be acceptable in Jehovahs eyes: “O God of Israel, do give Thum´mim!” wasnot Saul to kill Johnatan? every time you twist scripture you we reap what you sow!
@jrichard1977 if you show the elders of your church that you have a totally differernt meaning about a subject and from now on you want them to listen to you :WHAT WOULD THEY DO? Christ founded the church : WE DONT HAVE TO DO IT ALLOVER. And this church has a daily government
@jrichard1977 look in revelation we are invited to take the living water for free : 17 And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free. now there is no real person offering water to us is he? this is symbolic: so the congregation that God uses hands it out: its the true church. Now you only have to identify it! and if its the true church STAY CONTENT WITH IT Exodus 17:3
You know what I find interesting, Is that the Bible says the "heart is treacherous" and when I follow it, I do what I desire and not what Im suppose to do. Bravo for believing in Christ, its a key for sure! But what about "disproven"? What has been disproven? The Earth is for humans. the Bible states that the Earth will stay forever and John witnessed that there will be a resurrection. to earth....not heaven! Those statements dont prove anything. But IF (I said if) a person has faith its clear!
@jrichard1977 perhaps than youshould take his word for true: like texts in genesis and acts , because now you take whatever you want: this is not bringing you eternal life. what did God say about blood and what did he mean : HOW CAN YOU IGNORER?
@MLink96 I've had the free Bible studies from the JWs and do not discount the good intentions. However, I think the group's leaders exert a dictatorial autocratic influence over its followers to the point that the indoctrination and brainwashing is evident in the methods used to share their beliefs.
@jrichard1977 the bible is the truth thats true but you understanding the bible is something different 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?” in first centur;y holy spirit did a lot but the first congregation that was preachin in obedience to Jesus command had great succes. THE WORD THE GOSPEL WAS SPREAD
@customanalogue How would you define "friendship with the world"? Maybe we have different definitions. I think the definition is simple. It means we should not value the things the world values that can become idols for us and stand in the way of what God is doing in our lives. The Bible NEVER says you can't serve in your country's military. Never. It says do not murder, yes. But, then again, God commanded armies to kill many times. So, there must be some difference, eh???
@jrichard1977 so it is seldom heard that people from reading the bible only get christians. it is not right to say that bloodtransfusion is punishable. the bible clearly states : abstain from blood. if you dont understand you can get help from the witnesses , but you know that truth already : you just dont want to obey it. that is not possible too : You can only have the power to obey if you have a genuine faith so ask God for more faith. try to understand and trust God in this command!
@amonekd Obviously you don't know what I mean. Of course the truth matters! The point I am making is that there is NO POINT is believing something that has been completely disproven. Whatever the absolute truth is, seek it with all of your heart! I have found that Jesus Christ is the Truth, so I follow him!
@customanalogue Jesus might want Michael to shout in the same way that he uses Michael to do other things. The passage's purpose is not to tell us that Jesus is Michael. The purpose of the passage is to tell us about the nature of Christ's second coming. What the JWs are doing here is really the same thing as my interpreting Jesus' words where he said "I am the door" to mean that Jesus literally IS a wooden door. This is ludicrous.
@afterraincomessun Why, of course I believe in Jehovah, the creator of heaven and earth. If you listened to my video, you know that I genuinely seek the truth. I PURPOSELY challenge my OWN beliefs to see if they stand up to scrutiny. This is what any truthseeker does. If you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are wrong, then it is proof that you are a slave to your own pre-dispositions or the ones the Watchtower has given you. It's time for the slaves to be free, my friend.
@PrintedTruth so just like Jehovah used Moses he is now using another organisation . the faithfull slave : i mean you may not agree but if there is another then point at it. its a human humane organisation so people make mistakes : but if you trust Jesus and Jehovah : better trust those whom they annointed : teh 144000 thousand kings and those that still represent them on earth. Please : learn to trust them ( again?) dont Quarrel with them : love them
i told you that i would accept such a challenge but you didnot read my answer:? if you let God Jehovah be the judge but 2 cor 6 :14 14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?
Jesus did not reject those that drew the wrong conclusions in his time and he does not do it now: he just keeps helping them. so in the past hundred years we have by Gods grace , learned a lot . God is still showing us the way: You however want to blame those that God uses and find an excuse to not follow the revealed truth of Jehovahs witnesses. No they wont change the idea of the trinity nor Gods name nor that Armageddon will come soon .Better study bible yourself if you dont believe them!
@afterraincomessun Paul said that my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. My church has elders, too. Does that alone mean we are a true church? Show me in the Bible where the Bible says there must be a governing body somewhere that dictate to everyone what is right. Once again, start with a blank slate and read about the WTS. You will be SHOCKED and TICKED OFF!
@customanalogue Sadly, the JW's get their truth from the WTS's interpretations of the Bible, not from their own Bible studies. Just read the Bible by itself. You will NEVER come up with things like: Jesus is Michael the Archangel, don't vote or hold public office, don't get blood transfusions, don't have a beard, and heaven forbid - don't EVER celebrate the birth of Jesus or the birthdays of your friends.
@archeng123 Well, so far, I think the Bible is truth. And, if you read it, it seems to speak for itself. I have heard of NO examples of anyone who has read the Bible alone and came to the conclusion that Jesus is an archangel, that getting a blood transfusion is punishable by eternal destruction, etc., and especially the crazy idea that there must be some corporation out there with which I MUST associate to be saved.
@afterraincomessun Abstain from EATING blood. Have you ever EATEN any food through any other orifice than your mouth??? Eating is eating. Blood transfusions have nothing to do with eating anything. I don't need any help from the JWs, thank you. As the Bible says, "My help comes from the LORD who made heaven and earth." :)
@21crosscheck21 : please look after the questions that you would have if your version of the gospel were true: why is Jesus called the son of God why are there 144000 only who go to heaven why is there such punishment while all men have to have faith only in order to get grace. etc etc..... Why are christians divided in so many churches who fight each other . what is the position of women in the church ?
@jrichard1977 christ has a temple that serves Him, he has a bond with those that form the temple. where does he use this temple for? Christ uses elders because they are annointed under holy spirit. they work together with Him and have a governing body installed in order not to speak all together att one time. the governing body is Christs earthly channel , like Christ was Gods channel , the Word ,Gods spokesman. if God uses a spokesman why not Christ? You didnot hear Christ talking did you?
@jrichard1977 look if there should be a sign on this road , the narrow that leads to life: and it would say : use all the good help you can get. what would you say than : no only God may help me? so God sends his servants to you and you say : no I only accept help of the Lord . and he sends his prophets : no I only accept help of God . and the witnesses of God , no I only accept help of God . oh no your in need of help but you dont accept the help that God offers You perhaps dont want God?
@david42262 Maybe so, but I am not claiming to be God's ONLY CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION with people on the earth. The Governing Body of JW's IS declaring that they are the only prophet today declaring what they get from God directly. That being said, their false prophecies prove the statement above to be fallacious, and therefore a false prophet and false religion.
@jrichard1977 part 1 you are wrong informed: the organisation of the witnesses came forth out of Babylon and had to do research about what was wrong. gradually they changed and see what they have acchieved! the ridiculors dont know however what it means to go out of Babylon like revelation 18 says: 4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues.
Christ has a temple that serves Him, he has a bond with those that form the temple. where does he use this temple for? Christ uses elders because they are annointed under holy spirit. they work together with Him and have a governing body installed in order not to speak all together att one time. the governing body is Christs earthly channel , like Christ was Gods channel , the Word ,Gods spokesman. if God uses a spokesman why not Christ? You didnot hear Christ talking did you?
@customanalogue Who cares what voice announces Jesus return. All it means is that it's the voice used. To read into Jesus' identity in a passage that is obviously not speaking of Jesus' identity would be to misinterpret. Read it plainly. Does it say: Jesus, who is Michael the Archangel, shouting in his 'Michael' voice? NO, it does NOT!
@liimra4all Not disagreeing with you. But, if you don't mind, I'd prefer that my videos not be a platform for name calling. I truly do understand your perspective, though, and would feel exactly the same way if I were in your shoes. I don't blame you for it one bit.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Have you not read what Paul said? All things are lawful, but not all things are advantageous. Do you really mean that you dont know the laws Paul spoke off? Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.
@liimra4all Hmm...Where did you get the idea about early Christians thinking the earth was flat? Isaiah talks about a round earth, actually. And, even so, what about the fact that ALL atheists thought the earth was flat, too, until all of us were proven wrong??! :)
@afterraincomessun Spoken like a true indoctrinated JW. Seriously, Christ said we could go to HIM for salvation. And, the WTS thinks we should all go to THEM for salvation??? Do they know better than Jesus?
@afterraincomessun You are changing the subject to distract from the topic at hand. I can blurt out a bunch of crap I might believe to you, but it won't do a thing for you. Do you accept the challenge or not?
@TitusChapter1Verse11 you are naive and ignorant: this man was already familiar with the history of the jewish people. he was reading jesaja and needed one more step: all of israel should have been waiting on the messiah because prophets talked about him. once they recognised Him they could follow immediately. Didnot Jesus say 20 teaching them to observe all the things,I have commanded YOU
@afterraincomessun No, he didn't reject those who drew the wrong conclusions, but those people also didn't claim to be the ONLY mouthpiece of God during their time. That's the difference. The problem with the dogmatic statements you make, unfortunately, is that they are inherently fallacious. You use accusatory language to try and distract away from the main point of my video: Are you willing to accept the challenge? You still haven't answered me on that.
@liimra4all I would like to work with you at my job and you and i would get along quite easy . we are not strange people we are convinced of that truth that you reject. lets take a break .
Lots of good questions that jws who are really seeking the truth need to look into. Great job!
0:32 "Doesn't really matter to me what the truth is......" Thats where I shut it off!
@afterraincomessun the organization we serve is a master that we will always want to stay with! The organization is our Shepard. The organization is our God which we love. The organization created heaven and earth, we owe our lives to the organization. AND THE ORGANIZATION KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR US.
@jrichard1977 part 2
2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen,
the influence of Babylon is dying because she has fallen .
But when she was strong she kept true believers in spiritual darkness.God lead his people out of Babylon and the faithful and discrete slave lead them.
@jrichard1977 IN the old testament a slave could show apreciation for his master
by letting Him known that he , the slave , wanted to belong to the masters
household.
He was to have his ear pierced .
The Jehovah we serve is a master that we will always want to stay with !
He is our sheppard .
He is our God which we love .
He created heaven and earth , we owe our lives to Him ,
AND HE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR US.
@liimra4all .mattew 10: 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU.
Perhaps this last time was not a good time you still have time to change.
grab the everlasting life that is in the truth of the witnesses.
ThANk YOu I totally agree !! i wish they were just more open to do the research , The people ive told to do their research were very scared as if what i was telling them was from the Devil. Oh its just so sad. My inlaws are all JW adn i dont know what to do
truth is not only facts but it takes brains to interprete the facts:
history reveals the meaning of words language and the bias that we have naturally slowly we leave behind.
in search for the truth we always think we have arrived at the ultimate view ,
but later we see we draw conclusion to quick:
Even those THAT JESUS HAS CHOSEN were quick to draw the wrong conclusions: who was the greatest , are you going to restore the true kingdom now or later:
not all the facts are revealed with miracles!
@jrichard1977 2 And the people fell to quarreling with Moses and saying: “Give us water that we may drink.” Moses said : “Why are YOU quarreling with me? Why do YOU keep putting Jehovah to the test?” 3 And the people went on thirsting there for water, and the people kept murmuring against Moses and saying: “Why is it that you have brought us up out of Egypt to put us and our sonsdeath by thirst?” 4 Finally Moses cried out to Jehovah, saying: “What shall I do with this people?
@liimra4all Sometimes the Lamb of God makes an unexpected turn while we were eager to go in one straight direction :
These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes
4 These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; .. without blemish.
@amonekd You know, I somewhat agree. Heaven and earth will become one place in the end, as mentioned very clearly in Revelations 20.
@jrichard1977 the people fell to quarreling with Moses and saying: “Give us water that we may drink.” .. Moses said to them: “Why are YOU quarreling with me? Why do YOU keep putting Jehovah to the test?” 3 And the people went on thirsting there for water, and the people kept murmuring against Moses and saying: “Why is it that you have brought us up out of Egypt to put us and our sons to death by thirst?” 4 .. Moses cried out to Jehovah, saying: “What shall I do with this people?
@TitusChapter1Verse11 “Look! The people are sinning against Jehovah by eating along with the blood.”
@MamaGboyega Yes you are absolutly right. When ever you hear a witness use the name Jehovah you can just substitute the word "organization" because they really do worship the organization. Just read what aftertheraincomessun posted to me below.
Even towards Peter Jesus was mild for although he rebuked Satan after Peter said something wrong , six days later Jesus showed himself in transfiguration
matthew 16,17:23 But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”
Matthew 17:1-27
1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John his brother along
2 And he was transfigured before them
@jrichard1977 if you let God Jehovah be the judge
but
2 cor 6 :14
14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.”
@TitusChapter1Verse11
you should ask that same question at : medicine
what did we know in 1900 about illness and its causes:
we were Quacks .
But still we did the best we could and made progression
It is not possible to skip this time : but the problem is that we would have been wrong if we PERSISTED IN WRONG VIEWS IF FACTS TELL US TO CHANGE
SO sure any medic would be dismissed if he would practice like a 100 years ago
@jrichard1977 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
@afterraincomessun I appreciate your comment. To be perfectly honest, I agree that the Lord is the shepherd of his pasture. However, I still challenge you and any other JW to take an UNBIASED look at the organization in which you place ALL OF YOUR FAITH for your salvation. After all, the Watchtower's own publication says, "...Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation." This is unbiblical and blasphemous. I go straight to Christ for salvation. Neither is there salvation in any other! :)
@TitusChapter1Verse11
sure : what would Jesus say about Blood? I give you a hint:. 28 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge·hen´na.
39 He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it.
@TitusChapter1Verse11 Good point.
@liimra4all
well it is very simple :
in 1975 we were 6000 years from the creation of adam.
as adam was created short for the end of the sith day , and the seventh day started , we think it could have been that close after 1975 the sevent millennium could have started and the millennium we were waiting for:
so those who had hope and enthousiasm were in favor of announcing this very special moment .
we got it wrong but still that is a mistake we made : no God did not have this date in mind:
@liimra4all I get excited about this stuff, too. No problem. I am probably just more shocked that people who claim to believe the Bible is God's Word would rather listen to a dictatorial governing body tell them what the Bible says than read it for themselves. That's cheap to me.
@liimra4all LOL, yes, it has! That was my pass for Stone Mtn. Park in GA, which expired a few years ago. Astute observation!
@BloodBoughtChad Thanks man. Yeah, what mindboggles me is that these JWs don't appear to really seek out what is truth. I see them as a people enslaved to a corporation, and they are reduced to being, essentially, a group of "yes people" where they do and believe exactly as the WTS dictates. It's a ruthless dictatorship, in my opinion.
@afterraincomessun I appreciate all of your comments, but my real question posed to you in the video is this: Will you accept my challenge and do a real investigation of the WTS and be unbiased about it?
@jrichard1977
in the state of mind that your heart is in :
would you be capable to admit something as a TRUTH COMING FROM GOD
@TitusChapter1Verse11 THIS was one wicked deed of Saul : what was his end/
would you say if we did like saul it would be acceptable in Jehovahs eyes:
“O God of Israel, do give Thum´mim!”
wasnot Saul to kill Johnatan?
every time you twist scripture you we reap what you sow!
@jrichard1977 if you show the elders of your church that you have a totally differernt meaning about a subject and from now on you want them to listen to you :WHAT WOULD THEY DO?
Christ founded the church : WE DONT HAVE TO DO IT ALLOVER.
And this church has a daily government
@jrichard1977
look in revelation we are invited to take the living water for free :
17 And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.
now there is no real person offering water to us is he?
this is symbolic:
so the congregation that God uses hands it out:
its the true church.
Now you only have to identify it!
and if its the true church STAY CONTENT WITH IT
Exodus 17:3
You know what I find interesting, Is that the Bible says the "heart is treacherous" and when I follow it, I do what I desire and not what Im suppose to do. Bravo for believing in Christ, its a key for sure! But what about "disproven"? What has been disproven? The Earth is for humans. the Bible states that the Earth will stay forever and John witnessed that there will be a resurrection. to earth....not heaven! Those statements dont prove anything. But IF (I said if) a person has faith its clear!
@jrichard1977 perhaps than youshould take his word for true:
like texts in genesis and acts , because now you take whatever you want:
this is not bringing you eternal life.
what did God say about blood and what did he mean : HOW CAN YOU IGNORER?
@MLink96 I've had the free Bible studies from the JWs and do not discount the good intentions. However, I think the group's leaders exert a dictatorial autocratic influence over its followers to the point that the indoctrination and brainwashing is evident in the methods used to share their beliefs.
@jrichard1977 the bible is the truth thats true
but you understanding the bible is something different
30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?”
in first centur;y holy spirit did a lot but the first congregation that was preachin in obedience to Jesus command had great succes.
THE WORD THE GOSPEL WAS SPREAD
@customanalogue How would you define "friendship with the world"? Maybe we have different definitions. I think the definition is simple. It means we should not value the things the world values that can become idols for us and stand in the way of what God is doing in our lives.
The Bible NEVER says you can't serve in your country's military. Never. It says do not murder, yes. But, then again, God commanded armies to kill many times. So, there must be some difference, eh???
@jrichard1977 so it is seldom heard that people from reading the bible only get christians.
it is not right to say that bloodtransfusion is punishable.
the bible clearly states : abstain from blood.
if you dont understand you can get help from the witnesses , but you know that truth already : you just dont want to obey it.
that is not possible too :
You can only have the power to obey if you have a genuine faith
so ask God for more faith.
try to understand and trust God in this command!
@21crosscheck21 Thanks brotha'!
@amonekd Obviously you don't know what I mean. Of course the truth matters! The point I am making is that there is NO POINT is believing something that has been completely disproven. Whatever the absolute truth is, seek it with all of your heart! I have found that Jesus Christ is the Truth, so I follow him!
@MamaGboyega Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think PrintedTruth is being facetious. :)
@customanalogue Jesus might want Michael to shout in the same way that he uses Michael to do other things. The passage's purpose is not to tell us that Jesus is Michael. The purpose of the passage is to tell us about the nature of Christ's second coming. What the JWs are doing here is really the same thing as my interpreting Jesus' words where he said "I am the door" to mean that Jesus literally IS a wooden door. This is ludicrous.
@afterraincomessun Why, of course I believe in Jehovah, the creator of heaven and earth. If you listened to my video, you know that I genuinely seek the truth. I PURPOSELY challenge my OWN beliefs to see if they stand up to scrutiny. This is what any truthseeker does. If you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are wrong, then it is proof that you are a slave to your own pre-dispositions or the ones the Watchtower has given you. It's time for the slaves to be free, my friend.
@PrintedTruth
so just like Jehovah used Moses he is now using another organisation .
the faithfull slave :
i mean you may not agree but if there is another then point at it.
its a human humane organisation so people make mistakes :
but if you trust Jesus and Jehovah : better trust those whom they annointed : teh 144000 thousand kings and those that still represent them on earth.
Please : learn to trust them ( again?)
dont Quarrel with them : love them
i told you that i would accept such a challenge but you didnot read my answer:?
if you let God Jehovah be the judge
but
2 cor 6 :14
14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?
Jesus did not reject those that drew the wrong conclusions in his time and he does not do it now:
he just keeps helping them.
so in the past hundred years we have by Gods grace , learned a lot .
God is still showing us the way:
You however want to blame those that God uses and find an excuse to not follow the revealed truth of Jehovahs witnesses.
No they wont change the idea of the trinity nor Gods name nor that Armageddon will come soon .Better study bible yourself if you dont believe them!
@afterraincomessun Paul said that my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. My church has elders, too. Does that alone mean we are a true church? Show me in the Bible where the Bible says there must be a governing body somewhere that dictate to everyone what is right. Once again, start with a blank slate and read about the WTS. You will be SHOCKED and TICKED OFF!
@afterraincomessun Every time you eat a steak, you are eating blood!
@customanalogue Sadly, the JW's get their truth from the WTS's interpretations of the Bible, not from their own Bible studies.
Just read the Bible by itself. You will NEVER come up with things like: Jesus is Michael the Archangel, don't vote or hold public office, don't get blood transfusions, don't have a beard, and heaven forbid - don't EVER celebrate the birth of Jesus or the birthdays of your friends.
@archeng123 Well, so far, I think the Bible is truth. And, if you read it, it seems to speak for itself. I have heard of NO examples of anyone who has read the Bible alone and came to the conclusion that Jesus is an archangel, that getting a blood transfusion is punishable by eternal destruction, etc., and especially the crazy idea that there must be some corporation out there with which I MUST associate to be saved.
@afterraincomessun Abstain from EATING blood. Have you ever EATEN any food through any other orifice than your mouth??? Eating is eating. Blood transfusions have nothing to do with eating anything.
I don't need any help from the JWs, thank you. As the Bible says, "My help comes from the LORD who made heaven and earth." :)
@21crosscheck21 :
please look after the questions that you would have if your version of the gospel were true: why is Jesus called the son of God why are there 144000 only who go to heaven why is there such punishment while all men have to have faith only in order to get grace. etc etc.....
Why are christians divided in so many churches who fight each other .
what is the position of women in the church ?
@jrichard1977 christ has a temple that serves Him,
he has a bond with those that form the temple.
where does he use this temple for?
Christ uses elders because they are annointed under holy spirit.
they work together with Him and have a governing body installed in order not to speak all together att one time.
the governing body is Christs earthly channel , like Christ was Gods channel , the Word ,Gods spokesman.
if God uses a spokesman why not Christ?
You didnot hear Christ talking did you?
@jrichard1977
look if there should be a sign on this road , the narrow that leads to life:
and it would say : use all the good help you can get.
what would you say than : no only God may help me?
so God sends his servants to you and you say :
no I only accept help of the Lord .
and he sends his prophets :
no I only accept help of God .
and the witnesses of God ,
no I only accept help of God .
oh no your in need of help but you dont accept the help that God offers
You perhaps dont want God?
@david42262 Maybe so, but I am not claiming to be God's ONLY CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION with people on the earth. The Governing Body of JW's IS declaring that they are the only prophet today declaring what they get from God directly.
That being said, their false prophecies prove the statement above to be fallacious, and therefore a false prophet and false religion.
@jrichard1977 part 1
you are wrong informed:
the organisation of the witnesses came forth out of Babylon and had to do research about what was wrong.
gradually they changed and see what they have acchieved!
the ridiculors dont know however what it means to go out of Babylon like revelation 18 says:
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues.
and now the muslim and the koran
@afterraincomessun Are you having a conversation with me or with someone else????
Christ has a temple that serves Him,
he has a bond with those that form the temple.
where does he use this temple for?
Christ uses elders because they are annointed under holy spirit.
they work together with Him and have a governing body installed in order not to speak all together att one time.
the governing body is Christs earthly channel , like Christ was Gods channel , the Word ,Gods spokesman.
if God uses a spokesman why not Christ?
You didnot hear Christ talking did you?
@customanalogue Who cares what voice announces Jesus return. All it means is that it's the voice used. To read into Jesus' identity in a passage that is obviously not speaking of Jesus' identity would be to misinterpret. Read it plainly. Does it say: Jesus, who is Michael the Archangel, shouting in his 'Michael' voice?
NO, it does NOT!
@afterraincomessun JWs are so good at making Red Herring fallacies. Look it up because you just committed one! :)
@liimra4all Not disagreeing with you. But, if you don't mind, I'd prefer that my videos not be a platform for name calling. I truly do understand your perspective, though, and would feel exactly the same way if I were in your shoes. I don't blame you for it one bit.
@TitusChapter1Verse11
Have you not read what Paul said? All things are lawful, but not all things are advantageous.
Do you really mean that you dont know the laws Paul spoke off?
Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.
@liimra4all Hmm...Where did you get the idea about early Christians thinking the earth was flat? Isaiah talks about a round earth, actually. And, even so, what about the fact that ALL atheists thought the earth was flat, too, until all of us were proven wrong??! :)
@afterraincomessun Spoken like a true indoctrinated JW. Seriously, Christ said we could go to HIM for salvation. And, the WTS thinks we should all go to THEM for salvation??? Do they know better than Jesus?
@liimra4all Deleted.
@afterraincomessun You are changing the subject to distract from the topic at hand. I can blurt out a bunch of crap I might believe to you, but it won't do a thing for you. Do you accept the challenge or not?
@TitusChapter1Verse11 you are naive and ignorant:
this man was already familiar with the history of the jewish people.
he was reading jesaja and needed one more step:
all of israel should have been waiting on the messiah because prophets talked about him.
once they recognised Him they could follow immediately.
Didnot Jesus say 20 teaching them to observe all the things,I have commanded YOU
@afterraincomessun No, he didn't reject those who drew the wrong conclusions, but those people also didn't claim to be the ONLY mouthpiece of God during their time. That's the difference.
The problem with the dogmatic statements you make, unfortunately, is that they are inherently fallacious. You use accusatory language to try and distract away from the main point of my video: Are you willing to accept the challenge? You still haven't answered me on that.
@liimra4all I would like to work with you at my job and you and i would get along quite easy . we are not strange people we are convinced of that truth that you reject.
lets take a break .
@customanalogue Cheap.